@@saileenaway6457 The part where Bojack is about to go through the door, and Herb says "oh no Bojack, there is nothing after this" but really its the whole episode. I knew where it was going for hours and I knew approximately where it was leading. I started feeling at least a little anxious when they first started showing the leaky ceiling.
same experience. it was mentally exhausting and I had to take a break after binging 3 seasons straight. it was making me feel a certain way and i couldn't handle it with my exams going on. season 4-6 were something else entirely.
Bojack Hits you according to how you are emotionally at the moment, is not a sad show, it's a human show, it doesn't romanticize deppression or any of the issues it deals with but rather treats it as it is, a real issue. It's not depressing it deals with depression, it is about maturing and recognizing when something is wrong and what happens when you decide to not do anything about it, you are supposed to get help if you feel you need it, or you end up hurting yourself and everyone around you.
I found the show very therapeutic, but topics it touches and character will be received widely different person to person based on our own moods, experiences, and mind sets.
I tried to get help and they asked for money. Part of my problems is that I don't have money due to abusive stuff. So I'll never get help and things are gonna turn worse and worse with time. It's not my fault though. It's the world's.
@@رزيئة in that case, the best you can do if find online resources and reach out to people who have had similar experiences. i hope you get the help you need❣️
Truth- I rewatch this show regularly and it affects me differently depending on my mental state. It might even be best enjoyed when I’m in the depths of severe depression. I can’t recommend it highly enough, but appreciating it requires sticking with it to see past some surface level silliness in the earlier episodes. I just tell people to start on episode 8 (The Telescope) because that’s when the show starts to really find its feet without too much loss of context
@@رزيئة there's always the future. One day you can get away from the abusive stuff like I did, and then it's up to people like us to go forward, or keep cursing the world and feeling like it's too late. I understand the feelings, I understand when you get older you feel like you missed your chance to get better. But it's never too late. We can all get better, some of us just have to work harder for it, and whether that's fair or not, it's the truth. Do what you can now, and do what you can as life changes. Don't give in or you will certainly be right about never changing or getting help.
Sometimes it's not a matter of will power. Severe mental illness will render you incapable of the simplest of tasks. It doesn't matter how "motivated" you are, you just can't. People who don't understand this will call you lazy and belittle you for it. It hurts. I know nobody asked but I just thought someone would read this and understand that's it's not as easy as people think.
@@stupiddumbass489 I definitely see where you’re coming from and understand this as someone who struggles with depression and anxiety myself. But I think what this quote means is that if you are able to get through these episodes, it gets easier with time to understand and manage it if you put in the work (therapy, taking care of your health, building a life worth living, etc) and medication necessary, as well as observe your triggers and what can give you clarity in even a bad depressive episode. The quote isn’t meant to invalidate the struggle of a depressive episode because those are, like you put, painful and it’s hard to do anything in the moment; it’s meant to shine light on the fact that dealing with mental health issues, toxic traits that come from mental illness, and past trauma can become easier with years of healthy practices and perspective
@@blooms454 Thank you! I had this feeling like what I wrote was missing something important. I really do appreciate your take on this. And I'm sorry that you also have to deal with this stupid mental thing. There's not much I can do but I really hope you're doing well. And once again, thank you.
@@stupiddumbass489 Thank you so much for your kind words, stranger ❤️ I’m glad my perspective could provide some insight and I’m sorry you’re struggling yourself :( I wish you the best of luck for everything in your life!!
@@Johnlindsey289 Todd is better than bojack because it makes it clear in show rather than just the dude who made it saying it. Spongebob is relatable (to me, a weird af asexual person) but like Todd was SPOT ON and even explained about aromantics and stuff like that too which I super appreciated :3
This is my favorite show EVER. The moment it hooked me was when PC’s phone said “you are forty”. That’s when I knew this wasn’t just your standard irreverent adult animated show.
My moment was when he wasn't forgiven. His friend still hated him even at the end. Even the so called grittiest realest shows don't do that. Or they do the opposite and EVERYTHING is tragic and evil. And that's just not relatable.
Todd's asexually was planned from the start right. His first conversation in the show was this: Bojack: "We are not roommates, you are my houseguest" Todd: "Well we don't need to put labels on things". He didn't know how he should label himself from the very beginning, he didn't want the usual label.
@@ZxanderrR Even if not that exact quote, when you rewatch the show there are quite a lot of hints to his asexuality earlier on that go further than just never happening to see him in a relation
@@ZxanderrR Even Emily (that’s her name right?) is showed in a flashback in season 1, even though she doesn’t make an appearance in the show until later seasons. His asexuality was definitely planned from the beginning and one of the best asexual representation in tv in a while.
I think the moment Herb said "So what you're saying is. You're sorry. Okay. I don't forgive you." is what caught my attention. That "Oh...this show is more than I thought." moment I think every viewer of the show has at some point. I've dealt with abusive family. It's absurd how many times people that were never abused try to push the whole "You should forgive them if they say sorry. It's the right thing to do." Even stomaching a few said apologies that I knew weren't real. Just to avoid more drama. The whole not forgiving an abuser thing never even crossed my mind as an actual valid option. So that bit in the telescope episode almost felt freeing in a way. I don't mean freeing like "Oh Bojack did a shitty thing, that makes my shitty behavior okay." No not that. I know Bojack wasn't an abusive parental figure to Herb. But that whole scene just caught me way off guard but in a good way. A moment in a show about a talking horse got me to go back to therapy and find a healthy way to deal with this trauma. Finding a healthy way to have a mindset similar to Herb's in that scene. It's done wonders. Bojack is a depressing show but it's done so much good for a lot of people. And I'm still so glad I gave the show a shot.
I felt a similar way. Seeing that scene really made me resonate with the show and helped me feel better. I had an extremely toxic and borderline narcissistic friend, who treated me like garbage. I stopped being friends with her, and while still feeling like garbage about it I watched Bojack Horseman. Now when Bojack went to appologise I felt myself dreading Herbs response, dreading that Herb would forgive him like any other show would. But once he said "I don't forgive you" I was shocked. It was something I said to her often near the end of our friendship, because she never changed no matter how many times I forgave her for the same things. And seeing it be completely justified, seeing Bojack be in the wrong for this, made me feel so much more at ease. I was still worried that Herb would forgive him eventually but when Bojack says that Herb never forgave him, even until his death, I felt so much better. Even after all those years, Herb didn't forgive him, because he didn't have to. Something I was struggling with since I was made to feel like I was evil for refusing to forgive her yet (I said I would forgive her if she changed) and I felt so guilty for saying it. As simple as it is, you don't have to accept an appology just because they gave you one. It's something I really appreciate the show for.
Even at 30 years old, the show taught me valuable things about relationships. Not what I was expecting when I watched the first episode. It's only towards the end of the first season that I realized what kind of show it was and I was in for the ride.
@rosenrot234 I realize this is a year late, but I still want to say, Congratulations. Growing up in an abusive family is fucking horrific. Most people have no idea what it's like to constantly have to explain and validate your existence every moment of every day of your life. I'm really glad that you pushed on and found your inner strength.
The depiction of Bojack's mother going through dimentia and the long speech that Bojack did for her at the wrong funeral was just so powerful. After rewatching it a secind time its still one of my favorite moments in the whole show.
As someone with depression, ADHD, and anxiety. I’ve never seen a better portrayal of several different mental illnesses. The show doesn’t take itself too seriously and that’s what makes it so beautiful. The way the highs in the show feel overshadowed by the sadness of the lows is exactly how life feels with depression. Despite having animal Characters and being physically far from reality, it’s emotionally the closest thing to the real world.
Same for me. I felt personally judged by many characters actions and motivations in so many scenes. But the show shows us WHY. It doesn't just do it for laughs / emotional effect. It explores and humanises it, which is ironic, given that the characters are literally not human.
This reminded me how much I love that show. Just hearing the intro music made me feel sooo many things and Todds coming out scene makes me tear up every time. I'm glad you found the motivation to make this :)
I work behind the scenes in a lot of tv media and holy shit can I say, the depiction of the people in Horsin around and just the show in general when you see the whole thing is so accurate this is how lots of actors, even child actors, behave off camera. It was so cool to see
I rather think of the species as a symbol, or possibly a shorthand for the character. Instead of providing characterisation by backstory, the creators simply provided an animal stereotype (kind like in a fable) and brought everyone up to speed.
Daky- cats while being portrayed as, well, princesses, they also are labeled as independent a lot. She wants to “have it all” like a princess, but because she came from nothing has tap into the more “feral” hunter type to get to the “have it all” princess house cat life. If that makes sense 🤭
"Don't stop dancing. Nothing is certain but the curtain." I love your insight and your lens. I've thoroughly enjoyed all the content I've seen on this channel, on so many levels.
wish you didnt brush over dianes character so much, especially the fact that her character is the closest to bojack's out of all of them! theyre both just depressed and use people the same way !
@@BusinessWolf1you obviously feel some type of way about women because ive mostly see people acknowledge her flaws and still like her as a character. That’s such a weird thing to say. “To many woman who watch the show-“ Ike that seems so out of touch
I have a hard time getting hooked on series and I tried then abandoned BoJack a couple of times. You convinced me to keep trying, thank you :) I'm asexual so of course I knew about *that part of the show*, and it already made me want to love the series. I think I needed more analysis so this is perfect.
I've met a few people who said BoJack didn't hook them quickly enough, it probably wouldn't have hooked me but I wasn't bored enough to binge it, I think the episode that got my attention was when he got into an altercation with the Navy Seal seal, and when he went on TV to apologize BoJack did a little tirade about how serving in the military shouldn't automatically make you a hero, that's the moment where it clicked and I thought "okay, this is trying to do something different". But yeah, glad I could convince you to try again, I'm sure you'll love it!
@@Salari The Neal McBeal altercation is in the very first episode. But yeah it got my attention too :) I loved your analysis by the way, and for a very first video, this is a rather professional work.
Free Churro and Fish Out of Water are brilliant episodes. I agree that this show is Netflix's best show, and you have inspired me to rewatch the entire show. I love that every character goes through their own journey and grows! It doesn't feel forced either. How do you feel about the finale?
A sad fact of life that this show mercilessly hammers in is that some people are raised "To be happy" and others "to be sad". As I talked about this show with a friend, comparing Mr. Peanutbutter with Bojack, we came to the conclusion that Bojack's basal state is "misery", and there's nothing they can do about it. Meanwhile Mr. Peanutbutter's is "happiness". This means that while good things might cheer Bojack up temporarily, he will inevitably revert to his base state of feeling bad about himself. While for Mr. P, unless something is going actively wrong he's happy by default. On a superficial level this is comparison of how your outlook on life can be all the difference in the world but we're shown how both these mentalities are rooted in the circumstances of their childhood. This is a psychobiological fact of how the brain develops since we're little and it permanently rigs us for either success or failure. And the show makes a brilliant work of demonstrating all of which I talked about above.
I rewatched this show 5 times, watched videos about the show about maybe 10 times the length of the whole series and still can’t get enough. Gets better every time, hits harder every time. Just has such a special place in my heart.
Ugh, I just finished watching Bojack, and it's still swimming in my awareness. It's such a thoughtful, raw, fearless show. It's more human than any other show I've seen ever.
Not gonna lie, half of my enjoyment from Bojack Horseman analyses comes from people talking about asexuality and remembering that I do indeed exist. Other half is finding amazing new creators.
You should have your hormones checked. You probably are asexual but I’d check them just in case. My friend thought he was asexual until he learned he had low testosterone. They gave him replacement therapy and he wasn’t asexual anymore. Best of luck to you :).
@@samstits5136 Yeah no, definitely come to the realization I'm aromantic too. I understand that some people do incorrectly label themselves based off hormonal deficiencies, but that's a very small amount of people and potentially offensive to tell a stranger. I don't think you have ill intent though, and I'm glad your friend figured out their sexuality
@@thecheck968 oh no I’m being offensive :O. What am I to do lol. I Literally meant nothing by it and was trying to help cause I saw how happy my friend was when he figured it out. I believe in asexual people with no hormone imbalances but it’s important to check. Best wishes :)
@@thecheck968 You're covering your ears and shouting to not hear. Go to a fucking doctor and get checked before you change your personality because of a tiktok you saw. Everyone wants to be unique, this ain't the way to go about it. The fuck are you talking about, 'ill intent'? Not being asexual is a direct upgrade, the fact that he suggested a solution is the biggest kindness he could've given you. No one likes perpetual victims, get your head out of the sand before you get a sunburn.
You are one of these brainwashed gen Z's. You dont need media representation for your validation. Good friends and/or family that accept you for who you are, are enough. In your case there is no social pressure on you. Nobody cares that you are asexual, you are not discriminated and not disadvantaged ìn society. If you are offended by a stranger asking/suggesting you if you checked your hormones because your human body is not functioning correctly in a friendly manner, that's on you.
one of bojack's biggest problems is that he treats goodness as a means to be loved rather than the belief that each individual person deserves to be treated well based on their own inherent worth. he never learns to see anyone beyond what they can do for him, including make him feel worthy and cared for
I'm so glad that you managed to make this video despite your bad days with depression and anxiety. It's very well made btw. It made me smile and I felt very understood when you explained why the show resonates with you at the end of the video. I think I'm gonna re-watch the series the fourth time.
The point of Bojack's relation to the "lovable bastard" archetype is that... none of them are lovable. They're just good at saying what they need to say so people keep enabling their bastard side.
The moment the show got really meta was when they were filming Philbert and Diane was frustrated that the audience loved Philbert so much and found him "relatable". When she said (something along the lines of) "he's not supposed to be relatable and excuse this kind of behavior, he's supposed to be terrible!" it was like a glaring PSA from the writers that we're not supposed to "love" Bojack or excuse his behavior just because we know his backstory, we're supposed to be critical of him and learn from his mistakes. After the stuff that went down with Penny at her prom, I almost didn't keep watching the show because I was so disgusted. I'm glad I did because the writers made it clear that what he did was not okay, and although Hollywood enabled that behavior for years it is still morally reprehensible and Bojack needs to learn and grow outside of the spotlight in order to figure out how to atone and find fulfillment in life. I loved season 6 even though it was really hard to watch
This show hit really hard. I was in high school and I was being bullied and despite how I tried to stay together I felt tired all the time. Something made me check out Bohack Horseman and I watched a few episodes before school each morning (background noise while I made my lunch or packed my bag) and the further I got in the more it resonated with me. I'm at a much healthier place mentally now but I can't deny that this show made me realise things about myself and about the world. Deep things like personal relationships, selfishness, and it provided a very realistic portrayal of depression, that didn't feel stereotyped to me at least. It's not just crying all the time. Sometimes depression is neglecting yourself because you feel like you don't deserve it. It just resonated with me and I can't put why into words entirely
gotta say i love the character development for Mr. P he really started off simple and seemed like he was just there to be there. As the show went on we saw more of his backstory and more of his ups and down, honestly i loved seeing that.
I know everyone raves on and on about this show but I wonder how anyone can finish it. As someone who has been traumatized by mental illness and its causes, this was like a horror movie. I walked into it after watching every office, community and b99 too, but instead of an escape I was triggered beyond belief. Must mean it's some pretty damn good writing.
Because it throws your trauma in your face. I wasn't able to watch some of the scenes until a couple years later, once I had confronted some issues in my personal life
I relate to you. In more ways than you might imagine. This show was a rough ride... But... It was worth it. There is a lot of introspection to be had, when facing one's demons. It might be uncomfortable but life won't pull any punches. This is why you shouldn't seek comfort, necessarily, though it is useful. Escape is only good when it provides respite, but it isn't constructive. To be better, to get better, you will need to find that which you hate within yourself and face it. Eventually you'll fight it. Eventually, you'll lose. Eventually, you'll learn to forgive and to do what Bojack was meant to do, to take one step in the right direction, and keep going.
I had to stop watching it for a bit because I couldn’t take how much more depressed it made me, it hit so hard with me being depressed for a decade and the fact that that BoJack was successful and he was still depressed made me feel like no matter what there is no end to this feeling. It’s hard being depressed and watching the show, but I did finish it and I did enjoy it for most part.
It was easy for me even though I’ve attempted suicide a few times and drug abuse, but it did make me think about it and get a little sad sometimes don’t worry though I’m long past that stage I’m my life
I purposefully avoided this show for this exact reason. I knew I wasn’t in a mentally well place to ever watch it, and ended up watching it at my absolute lowest. I suffer from PTSD and bpd, and I will be the first to admit, this was a show I absolutely had to pace. I have generational trauma, episodes like the old sugarman house and free churro were arguably some of the most difficult and painful episodes to watch. I watched it because I appreciated the honest take. Trauma and mental illness completely change a person, they dictate your actions, your personality, and this show not only exposed this, but didn’t shy away from it being as raw and gritty as it really is. I want to rewatch the show, but again, I have to pace myself. I absolutely recommend it, but it isn’t for everybody - and that’s okay.
I would argue that BoJack Horseman isn't the best thing on Netflix, but that's only because Russian Doll exists. Still, it's a fucking contender. Wild to think the second half of the last season came out this year, 2020 has been way too long..
Russian Doll is damn good, although that would be my third favourite, second favourite is Mindhunter. And you're right, it feels like it was a year ago since that second half came out...
@@Salari I haven't seen Mindhunter, but I've heard good things! Really ought to get around to it eventually. But yeah, when I saw the date on the video, I figured it'd be recent enough to cover the final season, until the first mention in the video of it being upcoming. Anyway, the eyeballs sent me here. Really like the videos of yours I've seen so far!
Russian Doll was great but I feel like there were some slight production problems here and there. I’d give Bojack Horseman the slight edge over it. But also, are we just forgetting Breaking Bad, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Maniac, and Avatar?
@@sprawlz6466 I don't know anything about Maniac, but for the others, we're clearly talking about shows Netflix made. Even then, I'd still put both Russian Doll and Bojack over some of the ones you listed.
Bojack is the first show I watched that I flew by in about a month or two, the whole 6 seasons, it didn't even feel like a chore due to the insane character development at different times throughout the series, they don't pile it on at once which wasn't even their intention and it worked insanely well, I may be young but I felt this show slightly, many of the things I know I will feel later on and I somehow related to it There is no words to really say how good this show is, it's no normal watch it have a laugh then go, you get deeply involved straight away and even the sometimes whacky ass humour just... works man This show is one of my favourites ever snd I hope to rewatch it when I'm older to see what I missed
I really enjoy your documentary, and the ending with Bojack collapsing from jogging with someone coming up to let him know that progress with something new can/will be hard but gets easier over time hit me hard.
this whole video was so good, but i especially loved the analysis of princess carolyn. "a couple steps from happiness" is a perfect way to describe how i felt about her character as i watched the show... it's a different and deep sadness to see someone continuously be so close to what they want, but somehow always falling short.
It's always good to see people praising this underrated show. I think Bojack is one of the best SERIES ever made. And yet, the outward appearance makes people dismiss it. Another thing I noticed is that the show tends more to a Family Guy-esque vibe in the earlier episodes of S01, and some of my friends gave up on it because of that. It's only at s01 ending forwards that it reaaally picks up steam.
This video, and your videos in general, are wonderful. I can relate to so much of what you said about your own struggles with mental health and to a lot of things you highlighted about the characters. You just convinced me to finally watch this show.
Thank you so much! I think anyone who's had struggles with mental health will find something to love about this show, they put so much care and attention into getting it right and it just happens to be a hilarious show, too. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend also was excellent with its approach, I'm considering making a video on that someday.
@@Salari you're very welcome! I just started watching Crazy Ex-Girlfriend a couple weeks ago and I'm almost done with it already, I love it so much! I would love to hear your take on it!
Really you got to understand that this show had its run to be a comedy. At first I did like this show but by the end it was yeah the most depressing one I’ve ever seen. Although it is a poetic art that I would rather not admit. It’s a show that’s much like Everyman the book. Shows a fear of the eventual and how each bojack deals with it. All his efforts to be on top to be remembered by many amount to him being remembered alright but in a unfavorable way. Especially by his close friends and family.
Thank you for recognizing the show as brilliant. It truly was. Also, BEST INTRO MUSIC EVER of all time. It is one of the most powerfully gut wrenching and tear jerking cartoons in humanity with hard laughs thruout. Artfully done.
@@rottenhead8385 Free Churro left me feeling like I'd been stabbed in the chest with a hot pick. They had no right to look inside me so accurately and lay my pain out bare like they did 😭💔
i was sold on the show the second the theme music started playing. just the way the synths sounded so uneasy immediately proved this show was going to actually say something
Man this is a great underated video that describes Bojack Horseman perfectly and shows all the characters even better this is my favorite show because it is so depressing it puts you in the moment it makes you feel things I remember watching some of the later episodes of season 6 I was breathing fast and I felt sick because I put my self in these characters and watching them just get thrown around was heart breaking, some of the best things about this show is how real it is and in my opinion the quote that shows this to be true is "sometimes life's a bitch and then keep living" which means at least to me you go through some shit in your life but you have to keep going. Anyways thank you so much for making this video it is the best review of Bojack Horseman I have seen keep making videos man this is great ☺️
this video essay was the best video essay I have ever seen. bojack horseman is an amazing show that you managed to display and honor, and I thank you for that. it was beautiful.
this show got me out of depression, it hits really hard when you see the "you are secretariat", its a gut punch if u ever relate to bojack at all becouse he is so human and me comming from a broken family growing up , at 21 i trully felt like i as going his direction, so i decided to go my own way and changed my life acordingly, this show really changed the direcction of my life on a good way, i cannot understate that, this show is as big of a WAKE UP call as it gets, its kinda funny, now i relate more to mr peanutbutter
Thats kinda the point in my opinion I mean you dont wanna relate to the man who did new Mexico who choked Gina bit in reality you do relate to him I think their target were people who are just in a way regularly depressed and they hit you with s1 and early s2 bojack and you feel less alone and happy that you can really relate to someone someone then they hit you with new Mexico. Then they make you feel guilty so maybe it's a way to tell you not to go this far ya know?
I was a malignant and abusive narcissist for a large part of my life, because my parents were very similar to his but they were poor so it was much more violent. Its a hard watch, but worth it. We must face our demons, stare them in the eye, and conquer them. It is what makes us good people. We can forgive, yes, but we must learn. We must evolve mentally. We must face trauma and triggering content. We must watch things like this. It is the path to change. Do not assimilate and face bloodshed, educate and face your demons. Talk shit in my replies if you wish, I wont read it tbh, but its the truth
I also grow up in abusive parent,my mom lied to me abt my dad (idk where or who is my dad) my mom abuse me and my younger brother to the point we have trauma and need help, my grandma (where me and younger brother lives now) doesn't even listen to us, she just want us to go abroad and build a career to pay her back, I don't have close friends to talk abt my own trauma, I'm all alone in this fcking world...i regret being born in this position. I'm suffering from anxiety and depression but I just dismissed them to surve...or...idk..that's why I relate to this so much because I know how it feels.
I have only a few episodes left of Bojack and I’m completely in love with this show. Much like you said I was originally put off by the presumption it was just an “adult cartoon” ie let’s be edgy and gross in the medium of animation to see what we can get away with omg a cartoon deer just said shit isn’t that subversive??? Take THAT disney! And as judgemental as that may sound, I actually don’t hate that such things exist. If people pop on one of those kinds of shows and likes it it’s not because they’re horrible gross people they just wanted a cheap easy laugh and that’s fine- we can all do with that some time. But when I finally got into the story of Bojack it just had so many moments that hit hard and I can’t stress enough- it said things I needed to hear. Particularly with Wanda, everyone remembers her rose coloured glasses line but to me when she said “I’m sorry life has been hard for you but that doesn’t give you the right to be shitty to me!” That moment felt powerful. I loved that the show could give me damaged characters who do bad things but it was never trying to convince you “character has sad backstory so bad decisions that hurt ppl are ok!” Like I think we’ve seen a lot of anti heroes, unlikeable protagonists or villains with tragic backstories and the narrative is framed to have us side with them. Bojack doesn’t do that. I understand Bojack I can feel sympathetic but when he does something wrong it is framed to be wrong. Personally, I am a happy go lucky kind of guy but my siblings are loud destructive people who have caused me a lot of damage and as strange as it may be this show helped me in a big way to process them. And now with a few episodes left to go when I compare Bojack’s chaos to my siblings and see myself in near enough everyone else for one reason or another, I find myself wanting to know how his story ends and if he can be okay. I, like the other characters, can move on and do my own thing but I still want to know if the people who seem on a constant self destruct can be okay even if we have to part ways
I'm so proud of you for doing this, as someone who has depression myself I can understand how hard it must be to put even a video together so great job for finishing, you've just earned a sub for it ;)
this show brought up a few mental breakdowns cause I related to him more than I like to admit. I never had a show portray something as relatable and as deep as bojack did. I love this show cause it let me know I'm not exactly alone in my thoughts no matter how much it feels like I am
I think some of the most depressing shows/cartoons/anime I’ve ever watched are Bojack Horseman, End of the Fucking World, and Neon Genesis Evangelion. All of which are goddamn amazing and deserve the love and admiration they receive.
As someone else who’s struggled with depression for as long as they can remember, it’s…nice(?) to hear from people that let me know I’m not alone. Great work on the video.
the moment i knew i loved this show, is when bojack bought a restaurant. i thought to myself, "oh this is just a one off thing" and then they brought up the restaurant again, and again, and again... this show was so well thought out and that was the first clue i picked up on. also lisa kudrow's feature. i love lisa kudrow.
My take on Bojack, I think it’s lovely. I think it’s harsh and real and depressing and even though their are like animals and shit it makes for a lovely watch. I finished after a few weeks and I gained alot of comfort and thought behind it. Such good writing and likewise so my h to think on. It’s crazy how good it is.
it’s so insane to me that during your character analysis of bojack horseman you essentially described what it was like to have borderline personality disorder but yet never made the connection. Bojack horseman is so bpd coded which is why he is so desperate to be loved but so self-destructive to the point where he destroys his relationships with everybody. The world is so severely uneducated on borderline personality disorder that you can describe it perfectly through analysing Bojack’s character without even being aware of it and making that connection. This isn’t an attack on you personally at all (I actually really enjoyed your video) but my mind is constantly blown by how little the world is educated on borderline personality disorder.
This was an amazing synopsis off the show. You eloquently captured my sentiments. IT is hands down one of the best shows netflix ever made. Its funny, heartbreaking, and enlightening. I love how it gives you this sardonic , satirical lens of the culture of Hollywood or Hollywood to be exact.. a breathtaking show! Thanks for this!
There are many great episodes in this amazing series. Several episodes are so great that they by themselves are some of the greatest examples of storytelling in animated history. Simply an amazing feat by the writers. Escape from L.A., Fish Out of Water and That's Too Much, Man, The View from Halfway Down and Time's Arrow are all great contenders for first place for what I consider storytelling at its finest. But there's one episode that had a deep emotional impact on me; that left a mark at the back of my mind that I find myself revisiting: The Old Sugarman Place. I know it isn't as well put together and presented as The View from Halfway Down or Fish Out of Water but it deals with memories, abuse, despair, grief, self-deception and destroying the past without healing its wounds. Bojack never managed to deal with his guilt for Sarah Lynn's death. At first, it looks as if he managed to rebuild himself by finishing his grandparent's summer home but he destroys the home instead of handing it over to a new owner or keeping it as family property. At first, the symbolism is easy to grasp: by destroying the old Sugarman's home he is destroying the past and all its bad memories, allowing himself to move on. The spirit which he explains to Eddie: is that he does not want to be stuck in the past. But the problem I see with this explanation is that ignores several key issues. It wasn't Bojack that renovated the house, it was Eddie. By destroying the home he is also destroying a direct anchor to a simpler time when he was a child (regression) and any good memories attached to the place. Bojack isn't destroying the house because he had an epiphany of wisdom, he retreated from the healing process through rationalization. When Eddie comments on Bojack's sentiment about the past and "Time's arrow marches on" I believe Eddie isn't speaking to his own grief but that he does not believe Bojack is past what landed him in the old Sugarman's home in the first place: Sarah Lynn and the abuse he suffered. Bojack ended his healing prematurely. The teardown of the home symbolizes that he learnt nothing to last beyond the place as the whole stay was a method to torture himself and indulge in his grief whilst dragging a grieving bystander into his own emotional trauma. A grieving bystander that he hurt by forcing to break his own bargaining to make up for Lorraine's death by not flying. This isn't how you help someone start a healing process, this is how you put an emotionally vulnerable person through the wringer, which can end up making them snap. The ending scene hits hard. Watching Beatrice as a filly still playing outside the home, alone and holding the doll despite it making it difficult to handle the hoop, symbolizes that old Beatrice is stuck in the past and never was able to move on.
What I've found there is a story of broken man that tried to be unbroken. Amazing story that resonated with me really deep. And yeah, I am getting treatment from depression. Also, that "It gets easier" part is golden. Another one is about BoJack when he spoke about not understanding how do people live. Pure gold.
Honestly, this show was such a deep, personal perspective for me on aspects of my life I wish were better. It was a serious rollercoaster of viewing my feelings and some of my experiences played out through someone else. I absolutely loved and hated the show because it was amazing how well it depicted everything and it hit so hard... but I also cannot re-watch it because it simply would be, as someone else said, like masochism of my own making. I got my closure from a show that I couldn't get from my own life, for things I experienced and a show portrayed. It will always be my favorite show, but it will also be the only one I won't watch again.
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lol diane being the black sheep in a family with a literal adopted black sheep is probably the best joke in the show
That's so true
One episode gave me an existential dread fueled panic attack and I had to leave the room and turn it off. 10/10 would reccomend.
Which episode may I ask?
@@reynax1436 season 6, episode 15.
Which part caused it?
@@saileenaway6457 The part where Bojack is about to go through the door, and Herb says "oh no Bojack, there is nothing after this" but really its the whole episode. I knew where it was going for hours and I knew approximately where it was leading. I started feeling at least a little anxious when they first started showing the leaky ceiling.
The View From Halfway Down is my favorite tv show episode ever, it gives me chills every time I watch it.
And you haven't seen the view from halfway down at this point yet
That episode was utterly heartbreaking
Omg
I cried so hard during that episode lol
@@yetusthatfetus8427 That ending call with Diane killed my heartttt
growingoaks productions the poem killed me honestly
I was genuinely afraid to watch the last 4 episodes. That's how powerful this show is.
i took a weeklong break to compose myself to watch the last two episodes. nothing would prepare me for the view from halfway down
same experience. it was mentally exhausting and I had to take a break after binging 3 seasons straight. it was making me feel a certain way and i couldn't handle it with my exams going on. season 4-6 were something else entirely.
@@sg-qi7np LITERALLY SAME
same, when the second half of the last season came out I put off watching it for quite a while
@@sg-qi7np nothing could. The poem too.. whew
Quoting Bo Burnham: "We all deserve love, even on the days that we aren't our best, because we all suck but love can make us suck less"
But he wanted love without him actually loving anyone. That's selfish.
@@helloworld7818 Did you even watched the show?
@@helloworld7818 it's hard to actually love others when you are only loved as a personality and not as a human being
incel philosophy at it's his finest
@@Andrewbait it is the more, general and intimate love (feeling loved, cared, etc.) than just sexual or romantic
This is a criminally underrated channel and a criminally underrated video essay
Criminally underrated show 😔
This comment made me subscribe in first few secs of video. Don't let me down
Holy heartedly agree
Facts
AYYYMEN
Bojack Hits you according to how you are emotionally at the moment, is not a sad show, it's a human show, it doesn't romanticize deppression or any of the issues it deals with but rather treats it as it is, a real issue. It's not depressing it deals with depression, it is about maturing and recognizing when something is wrong and what happens when you decide to not do anything about it, you are supposed to get help if you feel you need it, or you end up hurting yourself and everyone around you.
I found the show very therapeutic, but topics it touches and character will be received widely different person to person based on our own moods, experiences, and mind sets.
I tried to get help and they asked for money. Part of my problems is that I don't have money due to abusive stuff. So I'll never get help and things are gonna turn worse and worse with time. It's not my fault though. It's the world's.
@@رزيئة in that case, the best you can do if find online resources and reach out to people who have had similar experiences. i hope you get the help you need❣️
Truth- I rewatch this show regularly and it affects me differently depending on my mental state. It might even be best enjoyed when I’m in the depths of severe depression. I can’t recommend it highly enough, but appreciating it requires sticking with it to see past some surface level silliness in the earlier episodes. I just tell people to start on episode 8 (The Telescope) because that’s when the show starts to really find its feet without too much loss of context
@@رزيئة there's always the future. One day you can get away from the abusive stuff like I did, and then it's up to people like us to go forward, or keep cursing the world and feeling like it's too late. I understand the feelings, I understand when you get older you feel like you missed your chance to get better. But it's never too late. We can all get better, some of us just have to work harder for it, and whether that's fair or not, it's the truth. Do what you can now, and do what you can as life changes. Don't give in or you will certainly be right about never changing or getting help.
It’s ability to make you cry and then laugh right afterward and then feel bad you laughed is unparalleled
I was on board until you mentioned how great honey dew and now I can never watch the rest of the video or your channel ever again 😢
@@kingdonut6675 nah cuz one of my favourite moments is bojack trying honey dew in the final episode and realizing it's alright
"bojack horseman is at it's heart a comedy", i cried more than i laughed watching this show
But most were tears from laughter!
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right?
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@@Ballsinspector633 they were crying from laughing from how tragic it is
Did you just watch it crying nonstop then?
@@tapset yeah pretty much
"it gets easier, you gotta do it everyday... but it gets easier."
- Learning, Working Out, Mastering a New Skill and Living Life.
Sometimes it's not a matter of will power. Severe mental illness will render you incapable of the simplest of tasks. It doesn't matter how "motivated" you are, you just can't. People who don't understand this will call you lazy and belittle you for it. It hurts. I know nobody asked but I just thought someone would read this and understand that's it's not as easy as people think.
@@stupiddumbass489 thank you.
@@stupiddumbass489 I definitely see where you’re coming from and understand this as someone who struggles with depression and anxiety myself. But I think what this quote means is that if you are able to get through these episodes, it gets easier with time to understand and manage it if you put in the work (therapy, taking care of your health, building a life worth living, etc) and medication necessary, as well as observe your triggers and what can give you clarity in even a bad depressive episode. The quote isn’t meant to invalidate the struggle of a depressive episode because those are, like you put, painful and it’s hard to do anything in the moment; it’s meant to shine light on the fact that dealing with mental health issues, toxic traits that come from mental illness, and past trauma can become easier with years of healthy practices and perspective
@@blooms454 Thank you! I had this feeling like what I wrote was missing something important. I really do appreciate your take on this. And I'm sorry that you also have to deal with this stupid mental thing. There's not much I can do but I really hope you're doing well. And once again, thank you.
@@stupiddumbass489 Thank you so much for your kind words, stranger ❤️ I’m glad my perspective could provide some insight and I’m sorry you’re struggling yourself :( I wish you the best of luck for everything in your life!!
Todd is the only good representation of an asexual character I have EVER seen
@Saint Jerry you nailed it
Imagine of all writers took that direction with minorities
What about Spongebob?
@Saint Jerry EXACTLY! But they do that with every character. Bojack horseman is an amazing show
@@Johnlindsey289 Todd is better than bojack because it makes it clear in show rather than just the dude who made it saying it. Spongebob is relatable (to me, a weird af asexual person) but like Todd was SPOT ON and even explained about aromantics and stuff like that too which I super appreciated :3
@@Penguinstudios123 exactly, as someone who’s asexual as well, one of my favourite and most wholesome TV characters being ace was rly awesome
This is my favorite show EVER. The moment it hooked me was when PC’s phone said “you are forty”. That’s when I knew this wasn’t just your standard irreverent adult animated show.
How specific and random lol
Yep, that moment really hit me too. First gut punch of many.
anyone remembers the baby seahorse episode?
My moment was when he wasn't forgiven. His friend still hated him even at the end. Even the so called grittiest realest shows don't do that. Or they do the opposite and EVERYTHING is tragic and evil. And that's just not relatable.
@@thetaorobertshow265 great episode
Todd's asexually was planned from the start right. His first conversation in the show was this:
Bojack: "We are not roommates, you are my houseguest"
Todd: "Well we don't need to put labels on things".
He didn't know how he should label himself from the very beginning, he didn't want the usual label.
Ok that is quite the clever line from the writers.
This is a stretch, those specific lines don’t mean they planned his asexuality
Wow DO YOU WORK FOR ROTTEN TOMATO
@@ZxanderrR Even if not that exact quote, when you rewatch the show there are quite a lot of hints to his asexuality earlier on that go further than just never happening to see him in a relation
@@ZxanderrR Even Emily (that’s her name right?) is showed in a flashback in season 1, even though she doesn’t make an appearance in the show until later seasons. His asexuality was definitely planned from the beginning and one of the best asexual representation in tv in a while.
I LOVE bojack horseman. It’s depiction of depression is extremely accurate and it’s dark comedy is top notch
I think the moment Herb said "So what you're saying is. You're sorry. Okay. I don't forgive you." is what caught my attention. That "Oh...this show is more than I thought." moment I think every viewer of the show has at some point. I've dealt with abusive family. It's absurd how many times people that were never abused try to push the whole "You should forgive them if they say sorry. It's the right thing to do." Even stomaching a few said apologies that I knew weren't real. Just to avoid more drama. The whole not forgiving an abuser thing never even crossed my mind as an actual valid option. So that bit in the telescope episode almost felt freeing in a way. I don't mean freeing like "Oh Bojack did a shitty thing, that makes my shitty behavior okay." No not that. I know Bojack wasn't an abusive parental figure to Herb. But that whole scene just caught me way off guard but in a good way. A moment in a show about a talking horse got me to go back to therapy and find a healthy way to deal with this trauma. Finding a healthy way to have a mindset similar to Herb's in that scene. It's done wonders. Bojack is a depressing show but it's done so much good for a lot of people. And I'm still so glad I gave the show a shot.
I felt a similar way. Seeing that scene really made me resonate with the show and helped me feel better. I had an extremely toxic and borderline narcissistic friend, who treated me like garbage. I stopped being friends with her, and while still feeling like garbage about it I watched Bojack Horseman. Now when Bojack went to appologise I felt myself dreading Herbs response, dreading that Herb would forgive him like any other show would. But once he said "I don't forgive you" I was shocked. It was something I said to her often near the end of our friendship, because she never changed no matter how many times I forgave her for the same things. And seeing it be completely justified, seeing Bojack be in the wrong for this, made me feel so much more at ease. I was still worried that Herb would forgive him eventually but when Bojack says that Herb never forgave him, even until his death, I felt so much better. Even after all those years, Herb didn't forgive him, because he didn't have to. Something I was struggling with since I was made to feel like I was evil for refusing to forgive her yet (I said I would forgive her if she changed) and I felt so guilty for saying it. As simple as it is, you don't have to accept an appology just because they gave you one. It's something I really appreciate the show for.
Even at 30 years old, the show taught me valuable things about relationships. Not what I was expecting when I watched the first episode. It's only towards the end of the first season that I realized what kind of show it was and I was in for the ride.
@rosenrot234
I realize this is a year late, but I still want to say, Congratulations. Growing up in an abusive family is fucking horrific. Most people have no idea what it's like to constantly have to explain and validate your existence every moment of every day of your life. I'm really glad that you pushed on and found your inner strength.
@@TrouvatkiDePercusion Thanks man.
@@rosenrot234 Absolutely, brother. Or sister. I have no idea. But still, point remains, you have every reason to be proud of yourself.
The depiction of Bojack's mother going through dimentia and the long speech that Bojack did for her at the wrong funeral was just so powerful. After rewatching it a secind time its still one of my favorite moments in the whole show.
As someone with depression, ADHD, and anxiety. I’ve never seen a better portrayal of several different mental illnesses. The show doesn’t take itself too seriously and that’s what makes it so beautiful. The way the highs in the show feel overshadowed by the sadness of the lows is exactly how life feels with depression. Despite having animal Characters and being physically far from reality, it’s emotionally the closest thing to the real world.
Same for me. I felt personally judged by many characters actions and motivations in so many scenes. But the show shows us WHY. It doesn't just do it for laughs / emotional effect. It explores and humanises it, which is ironic, given that the characters are literally not human.
Bojack also suffering from BPD and I found it to be a very accurate description of BPD.
BH is my favorite tv show ever, love to see the analysis
This reminded me how much I love that show. Just hearing the intro music made me feel sooo many things and Todds coming out scene makes me tear up every time. I'm glad you found the motivation to make this :)
I work behind the scenes in a lot of tv media and holy shit can I say, the depiction of the people in Horsin around and just the show in general when you see the whole thing is so accurate this is how lots of actors, even child actors, behave off camera. It was so cool to see
So everyone has the character of the species they are?
Bojack - Why the long face?
Mr Peanut Butter - Living in the now etc.
I rather think of the species as a symbol, or possibly a shorthand for the character. Instead of providing characterisation by backstory, the creators simply provided an animal stereotype (kind like in a fable) and brought everyone up to speed.
@@Skaldewolf That is what I meant but I lack the vocabulary :) Thanks!
It's a little bit like that. A definite part of someone, but not in any way all of who they are.
Well Princess Carolyn is a cat, but she is an overworker and cats like to sleep a lot so they're probably just random animals.
Daky- cats while being portrayed as, well, princesses, they also are labeled as independent a lot. She wants to “have it all” like a princess, but because she came from nothing has tap into the more “feral” hunter type to get to the “have it all” princess house cat life. If that makes sense 🤭
"Don't stop dancing. Nothing is certain but the curtain." I love your insight and your lens. I've thoroughly enjoyed all the content I've seen on this channel, on so many levels.
Mr. Pickles was honestly terrifying
RIGHT?? omg I can't explain the astronomical confusion and disgust that I felt when I first watched this thing till this day
@@kenjako SAME
Next time on death battle
Mr peanutbutter vs mr pickles
@@howmuchbeforechamp no! NO! That is cursed as hell!
I loved mr pickles 😌
wish you didnt brush over dianes character so much, especially the fact that her character is the closest to bojack's out of all of them! theyre both just depressed and use people the same way !
they didn't show enough of diane's flaws, to many women who watch the show she seems like an all knowing always correct character
@@BusinessWolf1you obviously feel some type of way about women because ive mostly see people acknowledge her flaws and still like her as a character. That’s such a weird thing to say. “To many woman who watch the show-“ Ike that seems so out of touch
@@BusinessWolf1imo she has enough flaws, and its shown... maybe you think shes all knowing always correct character?
The difference between agents and managers is that managers talk about the difference between agents and managers, and agent... dont as much?
I have a hard time getting hooked on series and I tried then abandoned BoJack a couple of times. You convinced me to keep trying, thank you :) I'm asexual so of course I knew about *that part of the show*, and it already made me want to love the series. I think I needed more analysis so this is perfect.
I've met a few people who said BoJack didn't hook them quickly enough, it probably wouldn't have hooked me but I wasn't bored enough to binge it, I think the episode that got my attention was when he got into an altercation with the Navy Seal seal, and when he went on TV to apologize BoJack did a little tirade about how serving in the military shouldn't automatically make you a hero, that's the moment where it clicked and I thought "okay, this is trying to do something different". But yeah, glad I could convince you to try again, I'm sure you'll love it!
@@Salari thanks!!
@@SallyLock103emeCaris did you ever manage to get into it? :)
@@DaveEon why yes I am currently watching season 2 ! I love it of course.
@@Salari The Neal McBeal altercation is in the very first episode. But yeah it got my attention too :)
I loved your analysis by the way, and for a very first video, this is a rather professional work.
Free Churro and Fish Out of Water are brilliant episodes. I agree that this show is Netflix's best show, and you have inspired me to rewatch the entire show.
I love that every character goes through their own journey and grows! It doesn't feel forced either. How do you feel about the finale?
A sad fact of life that this show mercilessly hammers in is that some people are raised "To be happy" and others "to be sad". As I talked about this show with a friend, comparing Mr. Peanutbutter with Bojack, we came to the conclusion that Bojack's basal state is "misery", and there's nothing they can do about it. Meanwhile Mr. Peanutbutter's is "happiness". This means that while good things might cheer Bojack up temporarily, he will inevitably revert to his base state of feeling bad about himself. While for Mr. P, unless something is going actively wrong he's happy by default. On a superficial level this is comparison of how your outlook on life can be all the difference in the world but we're shown how both these mentalities are rooted in the circumstances of their childhood. This is a psychobiological fact of how the brain develops since we're little and it permanently rigs us for either success or failure. And the show makes a brilliant work of demonstrating all of which I talked about above.
I can't understand people who default to happy
@@nottodayfedboi3536 I wish I was the person who defaults to happy, their lives are easier...
@@CrustyB1 Yeah, "just cheer up" is something that actually works for them
everytime i think ive analyzed the show to death, theres more
I default at not giving a fuck about anything
I rewatched this show 5 times, watched videos about the show about maybe 10 times the length of the whole series and still can’t get enough. Gets better every time, hits harder every time. Just has such a special place in my heart.
Ugh, I just finished watching Bojack, and it's still swimming in my awareness. It's such a thoughtful, raw, fearless show. It's more human than any other show I've seen ever.
Pretty ironic considering half the cast of animals haha
Bojack is one of those feel-bad shows that make you feel terrible 10/10 would recommend
Not gonna lie, half of my enjoyment from Bojack Horseman analyses comes from people talking about asexuality and remembering that I do indeed exist. Other half is finding amazing new creators.
You should have your hormones checked. You probably are asexual but I’d check them just in case. My friend thought he was asexual until he learned he had low testosterone. They gave him replacement therapy and he wasn’t asexual anymore. Best of luck to you :).
@@samstits5136 Yeah no, definitely come to the realization I'm aromantic too. I understand that some people do incorrectly label themselves based off hormonal deficiencies, but that's a very small amount of people and potentially offensive to tell a stranger. I don't think you have ill intent though, and I'm glad your friend figured out their sexuality
@@thecheck968 oh no I’m being offensive :O. What am I to do lol. I Literally meant nothing by it and was trying to help cause I saw how happy my friend was when he figured it out. I believe in asexual people with no hormone imbalances but it’s important to check. Best wishes :)
@@thecheck968 You're covering your ears and shouting to not hear. Go to a fucking doctor and get checked before you change your personality because of a tiktok you saw. Everyone wants to be unique, this ain't the way to go about it. The fuck are you talking about, 'ill intent'? Not being asexual is a direct upgrade, the fact that he suggested a solution is the biggest kindness he could've given you. No one likes perpetual victims, get your head out of the sand before you get a sunburn.
You are one of these brainwashed gen Z's.
You dont need media representation for your validation. Good friends and/or family that accept you for who you are, are enough. In your case there is no social pressure on you. Nobody cares that you are asexual, you are not discriminated and not disadvantaged ìn society. If you are offended by a stranger asking/suggesting you if you checked your hormones because your human body is not functioning correctly in a friendly manner, that's on you.
There’s something bout that theme song that gets me every time
OOHHH! You should watch john2cello's video about the openings of bojack horseman!
I just came from watching his video, myself.
@@ShootingStarFromDeepSpace I’ll check it out thanks 🤙🏼
ive never cried so much at a show. i JUST the season 6 finalie and im still crying
edit: in the famous words of a wise woman ''thats too much man''
Great essay. If you’re ever in the mood to do a quick video on your reaction to the final season, I’d definitely be curious to hear it!
I've been considering doing something on the final season for a while, so it's definitely still on the cards.
one of bojack's biggest problems is that he treats goodness as a means to be loved rather than the belief that each individual person deserves to be treated well based on their own inherent worth. he never learns to see anyone beyond what they can do for him, including make him feel worthy and cared for
This was very good. I hope your video goes viral.
(Wrote this at 7 views. Lets see this get to 1 million!)
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!
20k as of rn
1 million in 2021?
52k now
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I'm so glad that you managed to make this video despite your bad days with depression and anxiety. It's very well made btw. It made me smile and I felt very understood when you explained why the show resonates with you at the end of the video.
I think I'm gonna re-watch the series the fourth time.
In light of the final season this seems almost optimistic, would love to hear your thoughts about the last season!
You are absolutely right about Bojack being Netflix's greatest achievement. And it is something to be proud of
The point of Bojack's relation to the "lovable bastard" archetype is that... none of them are lovable.
They're just good at saying what they need to say so people keep enabling their bastard side.
The moment the show got really meta was when they were filming Philbert and Diane was frustrated that the audience loved Philbert so much and found him "relatable". When she said (something along the lines of) "he's not supposed to be relatable and excuse this kind of behavior, he's supposed to be terrible!" it was like a glaring PSA from the writers that we're not supposed to "love" Bojack or excuse his behavior just because we know his backstory, we're supposed to be critical of him and learn from his mistakes. After the stuff that went down with Penny at her prom, I almost didn't keep watching the show because I was so disgusted. I'm glad I did because the writers made it clear that what he did was not okay, and although Hollywood enabled that behavior for years it is still morally reprehensible and Bojack needs to learn and grow outside of the spotlight in order to figure out how to atone and find fulfillment in life. I loved season 6 even though it was really hard to watch
This show hit really hard. I was in high school and I was being bullied and despite how I tried to stay together I felt tired all the time. Something made me check out Bohack Horseman and I watched a few episodes before school each morning (background noise while I made my lunch or packed my bag) and the further I got in the more it resonated with me. I'm at a much healthier place mentally now but I can't deny that this show made me realise things about myself and about the world. Deep things like personal relationships, selfishness, and it provided a very realistic portrayal of depression, that didn't feel stereotyped to me at least. It's not just crying all the time. Sometimes depression is neglecting yourself because you feel like you don't deserve it. It just resonated with me and I can't put why into words entirely
11:22 “hurt people hurt people” Love the arrested development reference.
Very thorough character breakdown and deep insightful view of the series as a whole. Really makes me want to watch this series now.
gotta say i love the character development for Mr. P he really started off simple and seemed like he was just there to be there. As the show went on we saw more of his backstory and more of his ups and down, honestly i loved seeing that.
even though the show didn't make me cry it gave me ways to deal with my sadness in ways that are good instead of bad. This show genuinely helped me.
Me too
I know everyone raves on and on about this show but I wonder how anyone can finish it. As someone who has been traumatized by mental illness and its causes, this was like a horror movie. I walked into it after watching every office, community and b99 too, but instead of an escape I was triggered beyond belief. Must mean it's some pretty damn good writing.
Because it throws your trauma in your face. I wasn't able to watch some of the scenes until a couple years later, once I had confronted some issues in my personal life
I relate to you. In more ways than you might imagine. This show was a rough ride... But... It was worth it. There is a lot of introspection to be had, when facing one's demons. It might be uncomfortable but life won't pull any punches. This is why you shouldn't seek comfort, necessarily, though it is useful. Escape is only good when it provides respite, but it isn't constructive. To be better, to get better, you will need to find that which you hate within yourself and face it. Eventually you'll fight it. Eventually, you'll lose. Eventually, you'll learn to forgive and to do what Bojack was meant to do, to take one step in the right direction, and keep going.
I had to stop watching it for a bit because I couldn’t take how much more depressed it made me, it hit so hard with me being depressed for a decade and the fact that that BoJack was successful and he was still depressed made me feel like no matter what there is no end to this feeling. It’s hard being depressed and watching the show, but I did finish it and I did enjoy it for most part.
It was easy for me even though I’ve attempted suicide a few times and drug abuse, but it did make me think about it and get a little sad sometimes don’t worry though I’m long past that stage I’m my life
I purposefully avoided this show for this exact reason. I knew I wasn’t in a mentally well place to ever watch it, and ended up watching it at my absolute lowest. I suffer from PTSD and bpd, and I will be the first to admit, this was a show I absolutely had to pace. I have generational trauma, episodes like the old sugarman house and free churro were arguably some of the most difficult and painful episodes to watch. I watched it because I appreciated the honest take. Trauma and mental illness completely change a person, they dictate your actions, your personality, and this show not only exposed this, but didn’t shy away from it being as raw and gritty as it really is. I want to rewatch the show, but again, I have to pace myself. I absolutely recommend it, but it isn’t for everybody - and that’s okay.
I would argue that BoJack Horseman isn't the best thing on Netflix, but that's only because Russian Doll exists. Still, it's a fucking contender. Wild to think the second half of the last season came out this year, 2020 has been way too long..
Russian Doll is damn good, although that would be my third favourite, second favourite is Mindhunter. And you're right, it feels like it was a year ago since that second half came out...
@@Salari I haven't seen Mindhunter, but I've heard good things! Really ought to get around to it eventually.
But yeah, when I saw the date on the video, I figured it'd be recent enough to cover the final season, until the first mention in the video of it being upcoming.
Anyway, the eyeballs sent me here. Really like the videos of yours I've seen so far!
Russian doll is beautifully written, I understand why its at the top of your list.
Russian Doll was great but I feel like there were some slight production problems here and there. I’d give Bojack Horseman the slight edge over it. But also, are we just forgetting Breaking Bad, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Maniac, and Avatar?
@@sprawlz6466 I don't know anything about Maniac, but for the others, we're clearly talking about shows Netflix made. Even then, I'd still put both Russian Doll and Bojack over some of the ones you listed.
Bojack is the first show I watched that I flew by in about a month or two, the whole 6 seasons, it didn't even feel like a chore due to the insane character development at different times throughout the series, they don't pile it on at once which wasn't even their intention and it worked insanely well, I may be young but I felt this show slightly, many of the things I know I will feel later on and I somehow related to it
There is no words to really say how good this show is, it's no normal watch it have a laugh then go, you get deeply involved straight away and even the sometimes whacky ass humour just... works man
This show is one of my favourites ever snd I hope to rewatch it when I'm older to see what I missed
I really enjoy your documentary, and the ending with Bojack collapsing from jogging with someone coming up to let him know that progress with something new can/will be hard but gets easier over time hit me hard.
Even four years later this is an amazing show & content! One of the best Bo Jack videos I’ve watched, GREAT JOB. 👏🏽👏🏽
legit binged this show this month and needed more content thank you
Me currently after finishing
"I'm your son. All I had was you." That's the line the fucked me up.
this whole video was so good, but i especially loved the analysis of princess carolyn. "a couple steps from happiness" is a perfect way to describe how i felt about her character as i watched the show... it's a different and deep sadness to see someone continuously be so close to what they want, but somehow always falling short.
It's always good to see people praising this underrated show. I think Bojack is one of the best SERIES ever made. And yet, the outward appearance makes people dismiss it.
Another thing I noticed is that the show tends more to a Family Guy-esque vibe in the earlier episodes of S01, and some of my friends gave up on it because of that. It's only at s01 ending forwards that it reaaally picks up steam.
I immediately knew how depressing it would be by the third episode
Came wanting to know abt the horse; left with a weird crisis and an urge to rewatch it over and over for the next two years
Japan also had their own, Welcome to the NHK
Aye, Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, 3 gatsu no lion, Haibane Renmei, there's no end to them.
Meh...
euri nois
This video made me go out and watch this show and I'm glad I did. I've watched it a few times now and it's one of my favorite shows. Soooo, thanks. ❤
This video, and your videos in general, are wonderful. I can relate to so much of what you said about your own struggles with mental health and to a lot of things you highlighted about the characters. You just convinced me to finally watch this show.
Thank you so much! I think anyone who's had struggles with mental health will find something to love about this show, they put so much care and attention into getting it right and it just happens to be a hilarious show, too. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend also was excellent with its approach, I'm considering making a video on that someday.
@@Salari you're very welcome!
I just started watching Crazy Ex-Girlfriend a couple weeks ago and I'm almost done with it already, I love it so much! I would love to hear your take on it!
Really you got to understand that this show had its run to be a comedy. At first I did like this show but by the end it was yeah the most depressing one I’ve ever seen. Although it is a poetic art that I would rather not admit. It’s a show that’s much like Everyman the book. Shows a fear of the eventual and how each bojack deals with it. All his efforts to be on top to be remembered by many amount to him being remembered alright but in a unfavorable way. Especially by his close friends and family.
AWESOME video essay, please make more! Captured everything I love about the show in such a cool and succinct way!
Thank you for recognizing the show as brilliant. It truly was. Also, BEST INTRO MUSIC EVER of all time.
It is one of the most powerfully gut wrenching and tear jerking cartoons in humanity with hard laughs thruout. Artfully done.
The episode "Stupid Piece of Sh*t" wrecked me emotionally. I felt so seen but also couldn't stop crying, I didn't do anything for the rest of the day
season ?
We can take over our inner voices no matter how abusive they are or repetitive. But yes, that episode hits hard. Like so many others.
@@rottenhead8385 Free Churro left me feeling like I'd been stabbed in the chest with a hot pick. They had no right to look inside me so accurately and lay my pain out bare like they did 😭💔
Bojack is 1 of 3 cinema pieces that changed the way I view the world
i have already seen the whole series, just came back to relive the great experience of this show
i was sold on the show the second the theme music started playing. just the way the synths sounded so uneasy immediately proved this show was going to actually say something
Man this is a great underated video that describes Bojack Horseman perfectly and shows all the characters even better this is my favorite show because it is so depressing it puts you in the moment it makes you feel things I remember watching some of the later episodes of season 6 I was breathing fast and I felt sick because I put my self in these characters and watching them just get thrown around was heart breaking, some of the best things about this show is how real it is and in my opinion the quote that shows this to be true is "sometimes life's a bitch and then keep living" which means at least to me you go through some shit in your life but you have to keep going. Anyways thank you so much for making this video it is the best review of Bojack Horseman I have seen keep making videos man this is great ☺️
this video essay was the best video essay I have ever seen. bojack horseman is an amazing show that you managed to display and honor, and I thank you for that. it was beautiful.
Bojack horseman will always go down in the hall of fame
this show got me out of depression, it hits really hard when you see the "you are secretariat", its a gut punch if u ever relate to bojack at all becouse he is so human and me comming from a broken family growing up , at 21 i trully felt like i as going his direction, so i decided to go my own way and changed my life acordingly, this show really changed the direcction of my life on a good way, i cannot understate that, this show is as big of a WAKE UP call as it gets, its kinda funny, now i relate more to mr peanutbutter
So, I'm assuming it's VERY bad that I relate to him HEAVILY?
The fact that I related to Bojack so much made me rethink my existance
Thats kinda the point in my opinion I mean you dont wanna relate to the man who did new Mexico who choked Gina bit in reality you do relate to him I think their target were people who are just in a way regularly depressed and they hit you with s1 and early s2 bojack and you feel less alone and happy that you can really relate to someone someone then they hit you with new Mexico. Then they make you feel guilty so maybe it's a way to tell you not to go this far ya know?
I was a malignant and abusive narcissist for a large part of my life, because my parents were very similar to his but they were poor so it was much more violent.
Its a hard watch, but worth it. We must face our demons, stare them in the eye, and conquer them. It is what makes us good people. We can forgive, yes, but we must learn. We must evolve mentally. We must face trauma and triggering content. We must watch things like this. It is the path to change. Do not assimilate and face bloodshed, educate and face your demons. Talk shit in my replies if you wish, I wont read it tbh, but its the truth
I read educate as ejaculate also I’m 14 and this is definitely deep😢
I also grow up in abusive parent,my mom lied to me abt my dad (idk where or who is my dad) my mom abuse me and my younger brother to the point we have trauma and need help, my grandma (where me and younger brother lives now) doesn't even listen to us, she just want us to go abroad and build a career to pay her back, I don't have close friends to talk abt my own trauma, I'm all alone in this fcking world...i regret being born in this position. I'm suffering from anxiety and depression but I just dismissed them to surve...or...idk..that's why I relate to this so much because I know how it feels.
It can get easier
So sorry to read this... I hope things get better for you and your brother soon! Please take care
are you okay?
best show ever. i’ve rewatched the whole show at least 10 times
I have only a few episodes left of Bojack and I’m completely in love with this show. Much like you said I was originally put off by the presumption it was just an “adult cartoon” ie let’s be edgy and gross in the medium of animation to see what we can get away with omg a cartoon deer just said shit isn’t that subversive??? Take THAT disney! And as judgemental as that may sound, I actually don’t hate that such things exist. If people pop on one of those kinds of shows and likes it it’s not because they’re horrible gross people they just wanted a cheap easy laugh and that’s fine- we can all do with that some time.
But when I finally got into the story of Bojack it just had so many moments that hit hard and I can’t stress enough- it said things I needed to hear. Particularly with Wanda, everyone remembers her rose coloured glasses line but to me when she said “I’m sorry life has been hard for you but that doesn’t give you the right to be shitty to me!” That moment felt powerful. I loved that the show could give me damaged characters who do bad things but it was never trying to convince you “character has sad backstory so bad decisions that hurt ppl are ok!” Like I think we’ve seen a lot of anti heroes, unlikeable protagonists or villains with tragic backstories and the narrative is framed to have us side with them. Bojack doesn’t do that. I understand Bojack I can feel sympathetic but when he does something wrong it is framed to be wrong.
Personally, I am a happy go lucky kind of guy but my siblings are loud destructive people who have caused me a lot of damage and as strange as it may be this show helped me in a big way to process them. And now with a few episodes left to go when I compare Bojack’s chaos to my siblings and see myself in near enough everyone else for one reason or another, I find myself wanting to know how his story ends and if he can be okay. I, like the other characters, can move on and do my own thing but I still want to know if the people who seem on a constant self destruct can be okay even if we have to part ways
The Mr Blue song in the last episode made me cry so much but in a good way
Bro every time re-watched bojack I literlly crying at the end every time is amazing scary and feel like something just vanish from you
I'm so proud of you for doing this, as someone who has depression myself I can understand how hard it must be to put even a video together so great job for finishing, you've just earned a sub for it ;)
Beastars and Aggretsuko are two of my favorite Netflix shows. Will have to give Bojack a watch sometime.
One of the greatest series I've ever gone through. Would recommend to everyone who can handle it. It's definitely an emotional roller coaster.
'To put it simply, BoJack is one of the best written and performed tragic characters of modern times' - perfect description
Ah yes honeydew is the Jared Leto of the fruits
The CEO of Netflix saying Bojack is his favourite show, and then the show gets prematurely cancelled by Netflix.
this show brought up a few mental breakdowns cause I related to him more than I like to admit. I never had a show portray something as relatable and as deep as bojack did. I love this show cause it let me know I'm not exactly alone in my thoughts no matter how much it feels like I am
I honestly felt like I was the only one who watched this show religiously
Not at all
I think some of the most depressing shows/cartoons/anime I’ve ever watched are Bojack Horseman, End of the Fucking World, and Neon Genesis Evangelion. All of which are goddamn amazing and deserve the love and admiration they receive.
As someone else who’s struggled with depression for as long as they can remember, it’s…nice(?) to hear from people that let me know I’m not alone. Great work on the video.
I literally have to take breaks from this show when watching it cause it’s gets way to serious and I can’t handle all the thoughts it gives me
You absolutely nailed this. Thank you for the effort you made to create this.
the moment i knew i loved this show, is when bojack bought a restaurant. i thought to myself, "oh this is just a one off thing" and then they brought up the restaurant again, and again, and again... this show was so well thought out and that was the first clue i picked up on. also lisa kudrow's feature. i love lisa kudrow.
My take on Bojack, I think it’s lovely. I think it’s harsh and real and depressing and even though their are like animals and shit it makes for a lovely watch. I finished after a few weeks and I gained alot of comfort and thought behind it. Such good writing and likewise so my h to think on. It’s crazy how good it is.
Yeah Tod being asexual was so refreshing 🍹🍹
it’s so insane to me that during your character analysis of bojack horseman you essentially described what it was like to have borderline personality disorder but yet never made the connection. Bojack horseman is so bpd coded which is why he is so desperate to be loved but so self-destructive to the point where he destroys his relationships with everybody. The world is so severely uneducated on borderline personality disorder that you can describe it perfectly through analysing Bojack’s character without even being aware of it and making that connection. This isn’t an attack on you personally at all (I actually really enjoyed your video) but my mind is constantly blown by how little the world is educated on borderline personality disorder.
The only show I’ve genuinely watched from start to finish
This was an amazing synopsis off the show. You eloquently captured my sentiments. IT is hands down one of the best shows netflix ever made. Its funny, heartbreaking, and enlightening. I love how it gives you this sardonic , satirical lens of the culture of Hollywood or Hollywood to be exact.. a breathtaking show! Thanks for this!
There are many great episodes in this amazing series. Several episodes are so great that they by themselves are some of the greatest examples of storytelling in animated history. Simply an amazing feat by the writers. Escape from L.A., Fish Out of Water and That's Too Much, Man, The View from Halfway Down and Time's Arrow are all great contenders for first place for what I consider storytelling at its finest. But there's one episode that had a deep emotional impact on me; that left a mark at the back of my mind that I find myself revisiting: The Old Sugarman Place.
I know it isn't as well put together and presented as The View from Halfway Down or Fish Out of Water but it deals with memories, abuse, despair, grief, self-deception and destroying the past without healing its wounds. Bojack never managed to deal with his guilt for Sarah Lynn's death. At first, it looks as if he managed to rebuild himself by finishing his grandparent's summer home but he destroys the home instead of handing it over to a new owner or keeping it as family property.
At first, the symbolism is easy to grasp: by destroying the old Sugarman's home he is destroying the past and all its bad memories, allowing himself to move on. The spirit which he explains to Eddie: is that he does not want to be stuck in the past. But the problem I see with this explanation is that ignores several key issues. It wasn't Bojack that renovated the house, it was Eddie. By destroying the home he is also destroying a direct anchor to a simpler time when he was a child (regression) and any good memories attached to the place. Bojack isn't destroying the house because he had an epiphany of wisdom, he retreated from the healing process through rationalization. When Eddie comments on Bojack's sentiment about the past and "Time's arrow marches on" I believe Eddie isn't speaking to his own grief but that he does not believe Bojack is past what landed him in the old Sugarman's home in the first place: Sarah Lynn and the abuse he suffered. Bojack ended his healing prematurely.
The teardown of the home symbolizes that he learnt nothing to last beyond the place as the whole stay was a method to torture himself and indulge in his grief whilst dragging a grieving bystander into his own emotional trauma. A grieving bystander that he hurt by forcing to break his own bargaining to make up for Lorraine's death by not flying. This isn't how you help someone start a healing process, this is how you put an emotionally vulnerable person through the wringer, which can end up making them snap.
The ending scene hits hard. Watching Beatrice as a filly still playing outside the home, alone and holding the doll despite it making it difficult to handle the hoop, symbolizes that old Beatrice is stuck in the past and never was able to move on.
What I've found there is a story of broken man that tried to be unbroken. Amazing story that resonated with me really deep.
And yeah, I am getting treatment from depression. Also, that "It gets easier" part is golden. Another one is about BoJack when he spoke about not understanding how do people live. Pure gold.
Honestly, this show was such a deep, personal perspective for me on aspects of my life I wish were better. It was a serious rollercoaster of viewing my feelings and some of my experiences played out through someone else. I absolutely loved and hated the show because it was amazing how well it depicted everything and it hit so hard... but I also cannot re-watch it because it simply would be, as someone else said, like masochism of my own making. I got my closure from a show that I couldn't get from my own life, for things I experienced and a show portrayed. It will always be my favorite show, but it will also be the only one I won't watch again.
I mean even tho it has incredibly dark themes and stuff it is probably the funniest show I've seen.
Bojack horsemen is in my top 5 tv series
I loved it