Don’t forget that Princess Carolyn invited Bojack to her professional wedding but not her personal one! She was finally able to separate her private and personal life, and further remove Bojack from those lives as well!
I felt sad when she said that. Its nice she can separate her personal and professional life but not inviting his friend to her wedding is kinda sad to me. I don't know.
The fact that PC cut Bojack out of her personal life was (and still is) one of the saddest things in the show to me, while also still being one of the best things that could've possibly happened. The only reason I found it that sad was the same as with Diane: Both stuck with Bojack through some horrible times and events, and partially thanks to them he always had a chance to redeem and better himself, or just make it through. Either because they actively rescued him from the predicaments he caused or just because they were there for him, as friends. Many people won't even find a single friend in their life who'd put up with as much as those two had to with Bojack - seeing those two push him away is a stark reminder of just how much damage he caused to those around him. But not just was this an important step for PC to make in order to find happiness. Even considering Bojack's viewpoint I found solace in this thought: He realized PC putting up with him caused her pain. He told her to leave him be. And when she finally did it, he had the chance to, instead of wallowing in self pity and indulging in self-destructing behavior, just be happy for someone else and move on. He lost an important part of his past life, but received another chance to show that he changed from his egoistic past self. And at least in that moment, he showed that he did. If his desire to become a better person was, for the first time in his life, both sincere and lasting, this part can be interpreted in a way happier fashion in my opinion.
Notice when he signs away the rights to Horsing Around to Angela, we never hear the Back in the 90's end credits theme again because he's legally not entitled to that no longer
Ima say it now, anyone below who corrects this dude’s grammar rather than enjoying what this dude has to say is a micromanaging moron who doesn’t actually care about what’s being said, but rather wants to make themself feel intelligent through petty internet points.
"Hey, wouldn't it be funny if this was the last time we talked to each other?" It's both a huge implication for their character, as well as a literal fact for the entire show.
Believe it or not, I didn’t realize that last part until I read this comment. I was so wrapped up in the moment, I could only think about what it means for the characters!
I literally found it uncomfortable to drink alcohol while watching this show after the first season. Tried to crack a beer a few times while bingeing it and just couldn’t stomach it. Felt like this show needed to be watched sober.
It's amazing how silently Todd becomes the most mature of characters... he was the one learning all the lessons these damaged people had and did nothing with.
One thing that I noticed about Todd early on was that despite being easy to look down on, out of the entire cast it was the easiest for him to be genuinely satisfied with his lot in life. He knew not to chase some lofty ideals of fame and fortune someone like Bojack spend decades of his life on. And that isn't to say Todd is complacent or unambitious, he started many projects that snowballed ever greater, but was ready to jump off when they started making him unhappy (or when someone took it from him, he moved on without forgetting it). Same also applies to relationships, when Todd was dissatisfied with his relationship with Yolanda he was honest about it instead of desperately holding on to it or even worse, cheating on her because of it. Despite giving Bojack a lot slack, he did draw the line in "It's You". Finding happiness in small, simple and fleeting things as well as letting go are indeed hard lessons for some to learn
I think you forgot about cp, Diane, pb, and maybe Bojack because they eventually did something with their problems? You guys are kinda watching a different show :/
Damn it now you got me reflecting on todd and I'm about to start crying in my ride share bc he's come so far and his theoretical future is so perfect for him and I'm really stoked about that for him as someone trying to do the same. It's Thanksgiving I'm going to work at a grocery store and I'm gonna crack at the first Karen who asks me where all the turkeys went bc I'm just gonna be thinking about Todd's growth.
I'm just glad Character-Actress Margo Martindale's arc came to a circle too, apologizing to todd for sabotaging his rock opera is a tiny detail i really appreciate
It rubbed me the wrong way when Bojack acted so thrilled after his interview, it completely eradicated that whole heartfelt confession and made it seem like it was no longer genuine.
He felt powerful with the interview and let it go over his head, making him take a wrong decision. He was expecting stones to be thrown at him, not approval.
@@CrasterFamily Haha good catch. I noticed a Mbmbam reference too when the acting student came into the AA meeting and said "I abandoned my boy!" ofc the Saul one is extra funny cuz Aaron Paul worked with the dude who played Saul :p
I heard something in regards to Netflix's Decision that I love: "You either end, and see yourself be a Futurama. Or you keep going and watch your self become a Simpson."
I gotta say, Charlotte's mistake she is ashamed of is not kissing Bojack. It's a small part of the big reason she didn't want her mistakes to be known. She was the reason Bojack was around. She trusted him with her family, let him stay with her and allowed him and Penny to form a bond that close in the first place. She blames herself for bringing in the person that hurt her daughter into their lives. It's heartbreaking because she'll always blame herself in a way for trusting him.
Yeah its great, one of my fave parts of this episode, like everything was fine in her life, she was beautiful and happy, and then crackerjack died, and his death plagued her entire life like the black tendrils that change her baton to icky black and then she unravels, that everything stemmed from that moment.
@Abel Aguiar yeah but had crackerjack not died her mother would of still been there, she would have had a much more stable childhood since her mother never would of been lobotomized, yes her father still would of messed her up a bit but with her loving mother there shed of been a much better person, thats why crackerjack was the start of all of it
I feel PC's character has a too perfect ending. She has a wonderful job, partner and a lovely baby. I feel like it doesn't really match the show's tune, so to speak.
@@metalheart5349 well her ending represents structure in all aspects of her life, which matches her whole theme as a character. She balances so much between her personal life and business, her maintaining a sense of structure is what keeps her going peacefully.
I love how the show started with diane and bojack meeting each other and ended with their last time together. Diane made it clear she didnt want bojack in her life anymore but was still thankful for him being in her life when he was.
It was so hard to watch, rooting for Bojack to get better while KNOWING that he deserved everything he got. He RUINED people's lives, and he DID abuse his power over women whether he meant to or not.
The question is, if people genuinely want to change, do you prevent them from doing so, or at least give them a chance? Bojack deserved to finally get his comeuppance, it's just tragic that all this happened when he was trying to be a better person.
@@nicholasspruitenburg2809 I've been wondering that about Bojack since the ending. I guess I'm not clever enough to really understand what the writers' stance is on this question. If I were to guess, try to be better because the people around you don't deserve to be hurt just for being close to you. Past pains, traumas and addictions don't stop them from being hurt by what you did. And for the people you've hurt in the past apologize and accept if they don't accept the apology. I don't really say that from anything particular in the show... Just something I think is a good start at improvement.
This nuanced portrayal is much more effective in creating an empathetic dialogue around the cycle of abuse and trauma. It doesn't excuse it, and it doesn't resort to being self righteous and moralistic. It brought me nto focus that being a human being is hard. Real hard. And to try and become better- that is formidable for anyone to attempt. The look at Bojack's dispicableness as well as his redeemable qualities is waaay harder to reconcile. The show was outstanding. Have to build up the emotional fortitude before watching it again.
Something you didn't address was that the show covers the period of time in Bojack's life that he knew Diane. There's flashbacks to give us context as viewers, but it starts with Bojack meeting Diane and ends when their friendship ends. They're also the only two main characters that have significant physical changes as well as personal ones; Diane changes her hair and gains weight and so does Bojack.
Yeah, exactly. I thought it was obvious. When i started watching show recently, i thought it would be entirely about Bojack and Diane relashiopship, about him going after her. Show literally started with them meeting and setting up their further interaction. Well, i was kinda right and wrong at the same time. And... it ended with their friendship ending. It this point the show could be named Bojack and Diana. Her character and relationship to Bojack are as important as everything else there. And they are the beggining and the end of the show
there are actually a few episodes with 10/10 rating on IMDb, the highest rating TV episode of all time is "Ozymandias" from Breaking Bad. i certainly hope "The View From Halfway Down" remains 10, it definitely deserves to be up there with the greats.
It deserves to be there. The view from halfway down might be my favourite episode ever. When Herb told Bojack there’s nothing after this it left me feeling terrified but also motivated to do something with my life. A show hasn’t done that for me, ever really.
www.imdb.com/search/title/?title_type=tv_episode&num_votes=1000,&sort=user_rating,desc attack on titan and breaking bad are the only other shows to have a 10 episode, also bojack horseman has the biggest percentage of people who have voted it as a 10 so it is pretty much the highest rated episode on imdb atm
Sarah Lynn's mother is absolutely horrible. She might care about her daughter but she was one of the worst people in her life. She made sure she never felt good enough and told her, her actual dreams were stupid. She is the reason she didn't become and architect.
Sarah Lynn's parents were worse than BoJack's parents. At least they didn't whore BoJack out for money, they didn't stop him from becoming an actor, and they didn't sexually abuse him!
It's never just one person, though. How many people were part of Sarah Lynn's life and didn't... well, fucking *talk* to the girl? She kept talking about wanting to be an architect, and no one ever gave her permission to be one, or encouragement. That includes all of the people we never saw ignore her on screen -- her ex-boyfriends, her agent, her manager, the "friends" she managed to have, and of course Bojack and Herb. On one of the few scenes we saw Herb with Sarah Lynn, his main concerns were the stupid book he wrote and lecturing her about substance abuse. Everyone could tell her drug abuse was bad -- no one managed to encourage her to find a reason to live. In the end she only stopped doing drugs so that she could enjoy drugs harder later. It's all a confluence of factors. And while in the end Bojack ended up being the biggest sinner, Sarah Lynn was let down by pretty much everyone she's ever been close with.
@@Yodah97 Sarah Lynn is really a fantastic commentary on child actors--because looking at her and asking "why didn't any of the people around her help her?" is so important to understanding the industry and how it affects the kids in it. It's why so many former child stars have "breakdowns" or struggle so much in adulthood....in real life, it's often framed as THEM having the problem and them being gossip-fodder, instead of people struggling to have a sense of control and individuality. I really appreciate the show for that, bc it's easy to write an "evil" mom or "evil" producer but don't worry everyone else is good and just didn't know! Often, especially in Hollywood--everyone is complicit.
@@alexvaughan1013 I understand what you're saying, but in instances of abuse in any case, it isn't a game of "who has it worse". They both had awful parents who did things that were unforgivable.
Idk this smells like bs to me, sounds like a way for the writers to shield themselves from criticism since with enough mental gymnastics you can basically get anything you want out of any piece of art
Bob Jones I agree especially with post modern “art” you know when you toss paint onto canvas and say some BS like “I was anger and I tossed this paint onto this canvas it’s a reflection of my untethered rage.” Well sure but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s utterly ugly and once you die the meaning will cease being. I mean look at this picture here upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Verrocchio%2C_Leonardo_da_Vinci_-_Battesimo_di_Cristo.jpg it’s a picture of the baptism of Christ; rather your religious or not the painting has a clear meaning. This is a sinless man being baptized to further purify his soul before the temptation. The picture is timeless and anyone can tell what’s going on. That’s what art is supposed to be... a way to transcend time and for the meaning of the creator to be pass on to the viewer as if you were the artist that made such work. Now look at this images.saatchiart.com/saatchi/1054306/art/4208890/additional_0fee507d2bee33be0f6ff0d7aae86985dd78d75e-8.jpg this is what everyone thinks of it m.th-cam.com/video/pbaTDm23GbE/w-d-xo.html
This is a consumerist "Death of the author" perspective, which basically means you need someone to "consume" art in order for it to be qualified as art. If an artist puts their heart into a work, but never shows it to anyone, does it no longer qualify as art? Can the passion, unique ideas, methods, techniques, etc. that people put into their art not give meaning and purpose to the person who created it? Is art considered "better" if more people experience one piece of art compared to another piece of art (so the most popular stuff is the 'best' art)? What about art that has no meaning to it, but displays master craft technique? Like the artists who paint/draw in photo-realism? All they are doing is technically "copying" what they see, but is the technique not masterful enough to be considered art in its own right? This was the one line I didn't like in the entire series and it boxes art into this singular classification/definition, which sort of limits its scope and applicability. Art shouldn't be so easily defined in a single sentence.
@@SNOZ562 I don't think it means that there needs to be somebody to "consume" your art. Even if there is nobody to "consume" your art, it is still about the stuff you get out of it as the creator. :) So this line is right on imho. ;)
@@filipcernik7095 But as a creator, the stuff you get out of it is exactly the stuff you put into it. Any artist will tell you the joy for them is the creating portion of a piece of art, not the finished piece. The finished piece is just the icing on top, but in reality artists aren't creating things purely to have the joy of the final product, the joy comes from the act of creating itself.
As someone who's attempted suicide in the past and called themselves an ambulance, The View from Halfway Down really hit close to home. I saw that view, and with the way I went about my attempt, I had the opportunity to change course. I often wonder what would have happened if I had done something similar to Secretariat. I mean, obviously, I'd be gone, but I mean to my friends and my family. That was the single most gut-wrenching episode for me. I've felt exactly how Secretariat felt in that moment, and the way they captured his hopeless panic was perfect.
I feel exactly the same, was about to throw myself into some subway rails... not proud of it and I still think of it, almost daily. The only thing that stopped me was that there were so many people, most of them university students like me, and I didnt want to cause them trauma. I had left my backpack in the ground, a letter in my rooms desk, I was ready. But I could see the view in time. That poem is terrifying and it hit me so hard... I will never attempt such a thing again.
I feel you here and am happy that you survived. I tried to slit my throat at one point and just lay there as my throat slowly bled. Was my View from halfway down as the ambulance came. Thank god I'm alive
I’m happy that you’re all alive and were able to pull through some of the toughest moments of your lives. May you live on with strength and happiness ❤️
my favourite detail is in ep 15 where each person's food is the last meal they had while alive. Bojacks's was the bunch of pills he found in the bathroom and the chlorine water from the pool, Herb's was the peanuts that killed him etc etc.
When he was asked about what he would say to Sarah Lynn's mother i really wanted him to say "I'd tell her that she wanted to be an architect" What he said made sense but like still.
I started watching this show in February 2019 at the beginning of a painful divorce from an abusive man. It helped me seek out therapy for not only the trauma I suffered from him but also from my family. The poem from "The View from Halfway Down" struck me hard and I'm so glad my past suicide attempts were failures. I'll miss this show but I'm thankful I discovered it during the worst year of my life.
I really liked it when BoJack talked to Todd on the beach, and the tracks on the beach were wiped away by the sea... It showed that Todd believed he could turn it all around, and that he believed that Bojack could make a new start. This whole ending was just amazingly well done, I loved it, and it made me want to watch the whole show again
Another great thing was that in Prison, BoJack directs Hedda Gabler, a play by Ibsen. What Beatrice was always telling about Horsin Around was that ‘it’s not Ibsen but...’
I feel like having Beatrice be shown as a younger version of herself is symbolic of how her spirit died around this time. After the debutante ball, she is encompassed by misery - she had felt dead all along
@@sierra.ml02 it happened way before that. Her father's closed-minded views and upbringing, lobotomizing her mom, and crackerjack's death contributed to it before she met Butterscotch.
Do you also noy feel for the main characters of BJHM? A lot of them are incredibly terrible. I can't imagine wanting to watch the show if you cant empathize with them in some way.
@@BraintrustDoesStuff Ironically, I have a distant relative who went to university to study architecture, and ended up going into showbusiness after he fell in with the drama club on campus. He wrote the TV shows "Mother and Son", and "Grassroots". We call him Uncle Geoffrey.
Sarah Lynn’s story arch is heart breaking, I was so angry when they killed her off. And I was angry when I found out what bojack did in response to her od and angry that her mother and step-father of all people got a settlement. I mean I understand the logistics of it legally, but they were both implied to be incredibly abusive and exploitative and so completely unaware of the damage they’d done to her and they still came out on top in more ways than one.
The shows wants you to feel like that. Because things like these happen in real life. And if we don't realise it and don't get upset about it, we'll never try to do something about it
Allie IsWell what the hell are we supposed to do about it? I have no idea how to fix that problem it’s just a shitty situation, like are we supposed to call cps on every child actor? yeah it was extremely dark for it to end that way but it was a sad ending to see how her family got away with everything, I feel the show was actually pretty rough on the characters.
That's probably why she kept calling the reporters. Maybe she wanted Sarah Lynn's death to be a scandal so she could get a settlement. She thought of her as a cash cow rather than a daughter
@@chop.sticks. holy shit I never thought of that! I was still hung up on how they used her death to generate ad revenue with stuff like “I’d die for a Pepsi”
In the final episode Bojack has lost nearly everything he had at the beginning of the series or gained throughout. This right here is ending the series in a positive note because when Bojack and Diane visit Cuddly Whiskers a few seasons back he tells them his famous line: "Only after you give up everything can you begin to find a way to be happy". Bojack will be just fine you guys.
@@arinaz318 I kinda just watched the first 5 seasons just laughing along and whilst I obviously got the main themes, I never fully felt them relating to real life. Then I watched youtube analysis videos, rewatched it and omg does it hit hard
So because I’m legally blind and use audio description, I noticed during the opening credits even in the first half of the season, when BoJack falls into the pool, the description says “he sinks to the bottom.” I figured that was significant. Turns out I was right.
Oh, and I REALLY like that fates of all of the characters aren't final and there's no "happily ever after": they still living their lives further, they definitely will struggle and have fights with each other and within themselves to the end of the day, but this chapter of their lives are finished, just for another to begin.
@V-Rex and it's interesting, because others saying quite the opposite: that characters are part of the narrative and doesn't exist past it. So that's a matter of intent, I guess.
A note at the very end is how Bojack looks at Diane when the song says “I know that you’re sour and sick and sad for some reason” as she is through most of the show, while Diane glances at BJ during the line “I have to go now darling don’t be angry,” while it’s probably the last time they’ll hangout. It’s the little things.
Another depressing fact that was overlooked; Diane ALSO had to write all the shitty things Bojack did to her because he doesn't even thinks about it ... 7:31
im probably reaching a lot here, but i always thought the honeydew symbolized how bojack viewed life. he hates it and thinks its worthless and he cant figure out why everyone else loves it, but at the end after potential death he tries it and realizes its not as bad as he thought
Brian Murphy well Bojack Horseman is over, but that doesn’t mean we can’t move forward. . . . I know the reference/joke you were making I just wanted you to be happy.
I didn’t realize that Gina got the fireflame role! I’m so happy for her. And she also predicted that Bojack would end up in jail when she confronted him before the interview with Biscuits.
Secretariat’s poem has actually had a pretty profound impact on me. I put off watching the last few episodes until last week, so it’s all very fresh in my mind. For the past few months, I’ve been going to the top of a parking garage and I’ll stand on the edge and just look down, waiting for the courage to jump but I never do. After watching that episode, the thought of “the view from half-way down” keeps coming back and I keep thinking about how that’s what I would experience if I actually jumped. I think it is most of the reason why I haven’t been back and I haven’t pushed myself further.
@SCP-527 thank you so much! I’m actually doing a lot better. I’m going to therapy consistently, I finally got my own apartment and things are looking up.
When someone ODs, there’s a “sweet spot” where they can be saved if treated with naloxone. Although I can’t find the exact time limit online, it would be hard to argue that those 17 minutes couldn’t have saved her life. That is when I realized that bojack is shitty. Not helpless, as we’ve seen, but shitty nonetheless. The interview with Biscuits really showed me this, when she said something along the lines of “maybe that wasn’t your intention, but you just didn’t care about others.” Amazing season. Amazing show. I wish I could’ve seen the view from halfway down.
According to Knives Out, it's about ten minutes. ("That.. naxa.. stuff") So if he'd called right away she could well have been saved. But he had to go and try to cover his tracks.
I felt like they just added the 15 minutes part to make him out like a bad guy like to cement to the viewers thats hes shitty but i dont think thats very in character he loved sarah lynn
When Mr Peanutbutter was talking in the car about how he's figured out how he's the problem in all of he's relationships it made me think about this one episode where his previous mariages where shown, all of them sitting in a car and him wondering what they all have in common... he figured this out
Sumit Shrestha I respectfully disagree. For the first time ever, Mr. Peanutbutter learned self-awareness, how to genuinely pay attention to other people's needs, and how to finally be comfortable with being alone. It took 6 seasons. But, Mr. Peanutbutter finally evolved into a fully formed person.
The end was bittersweet but the more I dwell on it the more I absolutely love it. “Life is a *bitch* then we die, right?” “Well sometimes life is a *bitch* and we just.. keep living” Those two lines had a huge impact on me, especially because of the trouble I’ve had recently. It gave me hope weirdly enough. Edit: Changed “shitty” to “bitch” for those of you that liked to correct me for no reason. The impact is still there regardless of the word I used. But there you go, happy now?
_PlanetOMars_ Same here. I’ve had depression for about 3 years now, and I rewatched this episode only to pick out what meant the most to me. One can either choose to die or keep living until their last breath. Either way, life will come to an end.
Also, in The View From Halfway Down, Famous Actor Zach Braff was serving the meals, because he died being cannibalized by Jessica Biel (a sentence I never thought I'd say)
My absolute favorite moment from the show, and this episode, is that Todd remembers and cares enough about Bojack to know he'd be uncomfortable in a room full of people. Todd is the real MVP
_"The most important thing is, you got to give the people what they want, even if it kills you, even if it empties you out until there's nothing left to empty. No matter what happens, no matter how much it hurts, you don't stop dancing, and you don't stop smiling, and you give those people what they want."_ *~ Bojack Horseman*
This may not be the most introspective deep comment but I just wanted to say... Toddler Ruthie running around in the background at the wedding was so cute!
This final season BROKE. ME. "The View from Halfway Down" was the most insightful and symbolic pieces of television I have ever seen, and the end of the final episode where we watch Diane and BoJack stare at the night sky had me weeping. Beautiful ending to a fantastic show
Can I ask how old you are? Everyone who liked the last episode tells me I will like upon a second viewing when I am older but as it is I did t enjoy it
@@erinstewart2644 like the other commenter said, it might be that you just don’t enjoy it which is a perfectly fine opinion. However, if you are a younger teenager or maybe even a bit older you might miss a subtlety to the ending that I think is only recognized through a certain amount of life experience. I don’t know if you’ll like it or not in the future, but I bet you would have a different perspective in some way if you watch it in a few years :) I watched it as an adult and enjoyed it, but I know I’ll probably see it differently anyway if I watch it later too.
_"I’m afraid of losing some part of myself. I’m afraid that if I let someone else take care of me that I’m not really me anymore. I’m afraid of getting too comfortable, you know, going soft. I’m afraid that this could be the best thing that ever happened to me and if it doesn’t make me as happy as I’m supposed to be, that means I’m a lost cause."_ *-Princess Carolyn*
Honestly, I loved Bojack Horseman. But I don't want more. Like you said, that's life. I want more Tuca & Bertie. That show was cancelled far too quickly and it deserved better!
Yeah. Everyone ate their last meal. Cordoroy had the lemon, his mom had hospital food, and crackerjack got war rations. Bojack had the cabinet full of pills and pool water.
Well, she wasnt really relevent this arc. When he pointed out about the billboard at the last episode I thought it was pretty clever. The subtlety that there is a conclusion, but it really as vocal as Gina dosent have as much relevance in Bojack's life anymore
It would have been weird to bring her in this season. I’m sure she wants nothing to do with bojack especially since she said previously how she doesn’t want to be known as the woman bojack horseman almost killed.
It's in keeping with the BJH having power over women storyline. Victims of assaults are often seen as just that - vicitims, as someone playing a minor role in someone else's life, in the life of the man who exerted his power over them, often a famous person, but that society is blind to these women in a way.
I can imagine it's one of the plot lines that was cut due to the series ending slightly earlier than the writers RBW imagined. I can definitely see a whole season or at least half a season of bojack in prison but it's also nice that it implies that life goes on and the world is moving without bojack, because that's how life is
Emilio Foronda not relevant? You could argue that a few things that they brought up weren’t relevant, but that’s the point - no matter how far you move on consequences are unforgiving no matter how insignificant they’ve become in the scene of your life. We actually do get to see a small resolution for Gina, but it goes unmentioned.
Yeah, I really like that it ended kinda optimistic, despite Bojack loosing all his possessions, friends, and even the status of Horse from Horsing Around, but clearly leaving him in a ground zero, where it's finally entirely on him how his life will go from that moment. There's some vistas, like Horny Unicorn and other projects, so he literally can start anew in that reconfigured form of new Bojack. And yet, they've showed how it could end with the fatality of the character, killing the horse at the end of the series and denying the possibility for him to go other side.
"Dear Bojack, I've been having a hard time coming up with the right words to say to you, or even how to say it to you. I thought of emailing or texting, but important messages always seem to be mailed, at least that's how it is in the movies. Growing up, I always wondered what my birth family was like. I had enough love from my dads, but I still felt like there was something missing. A part of me that wasn't complete. When I went searching for my mom, I never expected to find my brother. In meeting you, I managed to find a part of myself that I never knew existed. I will always be thankful to you for that. I think it's best for both of us if we break off contact. I can't deal with this. I have my own life, my own goals, and my own dreams that I need to pursue. I cannot have your baggage interfere with my future. I am so, so sorry for the events that have happened in your life. You've been through so much, and I don't have the answer to your problems. I still don't know if I believe in god, or some higher power, but I hope if there is one that he can give you some peace. If not him, the universe, or maybe a really good therapist. You will always have a place in my heart, and you will always be part of who I am, but please stay out of my life. Sincerely yours, Hollyhock Manheim-Mannheim-Guerrero-Robinson-Zilberschlag-Hsung-Fonzerelli-McQuack"
Not on the subject of mental illness like I'm seeing a lot of in the comments *for good reason), but it helped me realize I'm asexual and finally gave me an understanding of that. It wasn't an immediate revelation, but it certainly helped. Helped put an end to one of the biggest personal dilemmas in my life, even if it isn't as heavy as some of the mental illness stuff. I'll always be grateful to the show and writing staff for that.
for sure this show gets an A+ in representation!! for this show to have the balls to bring to light stuff that’s so unspoken but so real is just something i will forever be in awe of and is one of the many many reasons why i love it sm
Dude, I relate a lot. For a long time I was struggling trying to figure out my sexuality, nothing seemed to quite fit, I felt no attraction to men (I'm a girl), so I thought I might be gay... and then Todd came out and said he was asexual, and that was like an epiphany for me. It kinda made a ton of sense... Made me reconsider everything about myself. I still haven't quite figured it out. But Todd certainly helped with the process.. and it also really helps in another way - for me, who is kinda scared of "being asexual", or would need time to come to terms with it (totally no offence to asexual people, it's just a whole other thing to know that asexuality is totally okay and valid, and to accept it in yourself...), Todd is such a good character to identify with. I'd be proud to have something in common with him, not ashamed. This show did it well. Much love to all y'all aces out there xx
This was the biggest revelation for me watching the show, too. I'm not asexual, but I am aromantic. I have been trying to figure this out since I was a teenager and I never got the same feelings my peers got. I used to fake having crushes on people to seem normal. I was married for a long time, but I never could figure out the romantic part of the relationship. In couple's therapy I just couldn't give my ex husband the "intimacy" he wanted. After being divorced for 5 years, I realized I just don't have the desire for romantic relationships at all. It was confusing because I do experience sexual attraction. When I saw the Ace meet up where they described being asexual but romantic, I googled it to see if the opposite was a thing. Just like in the show labels can be helpful sometimes. It's really put me in a good place with understanding my romantic orientation and that I'm not alone.
At first I was like, nah I like sex but the more I thought about it I realized that I liked the idea of sex I had formed in my head not the actual events, this show helped me re ground myself in reality and now I'm living my best asexual biromantic life!!!
I loved the imagery and symbolism in the last few episodes. Even the small things like Todd and bojacks trail of footprints on the beach. Showing their once singular path has separated from each other. It was all just so well done
I love the ending message of the show. I was watching it with my boyfriend, and he noted feeling that parts of it were left undone and that made it feel a little rushed. I agree to an extent, I wish we got to see more of Judah and PC, or what PB's life is actually like since being single. But ultimately, I love that parts of it are left to speculation. We don't get to see "what happens to Bojack," in the sense that we don't see if he ever truly redeems himself. I think that throughout the show, we're shown his perspective. Obvi, this is a product of the fact that he's the protagonist. But, I think that it makes it easier to excuse (or too quickly move past) the shite stuff he does constantly. I think that the interview with Biscuits is the turning point for the audience's relationship with Bojack. We get insight to how his actions impacted the women in his life without the filter he creates. I loved that episode cause it literally clicked in my head that I was aligning myself with him, even though he's not the character I relate to most. I was able to step outside his perspective and look at things more objectively. From that point, I think it's our turn (the audience) to realize that what happens to Bojack is ultimately not our responsibility, no matter how much we empathize with him. We, like so many other characters on the show, need to move on and let go of the need to take care of him. Maybe that's placing too much emphasis on the audience's role in the show, but that's what I got from it. This show means so much to so many people. But, everything ends and we need to learn how to accept that while still being able to keep the parts of our experiences that make us who we are.
I think that regardless of if they had more episodes to finish the show, they would have left threads hanging and stories without closure. Ultimately this show reflects reality, and things don't neatly wrap up at the same time in life.
I'm not completely on board with how they made it a gender thing. He affected men too, Todd, his therapist (though unintentionally), the asphyxiating assistant and finally Herb. I think this reflects how media misdirects facts to fit their own narrative. I was with the interviewer till she HAD to make it a gender thing. As much as Bojack was irredeemable, I hate it when people try to drag gender into the conversation unnecessarily...
Man this should be top comment. I felt like the ending was not as satisfying as it could've been, and this is a pretty good way to look at him. The audience's role isn't to identify with bojack and be happy for him at the end, it's to accept what he is and that the show is a critique to his character, not a love letter. Weird way to think about the show, specially since it's not how I thought of it throughout most of it, but it's the perspective I get from the ending
@@zealrot4992 Exactly. It was an unsatisfying interview because whilst the audience did want comeuppance for Bojack, he didn't get a true breakdown by Biscuits as the interview took a less objective view and instead focussed on what would be a stronger story to easily and quickly paint Bojack as a bad guy.
@@zealrot4992 to be fair, all the stuff you mentioned isn’t stuff that biscuits knew about. And she is a journalist and on tv, so it makes sense that she needed the direction of painting a pattern of abuse against women. I agree with you that he doesn’t just affect women but I don’t think you can deny the pattern presented in the show.
I think it's good that it ended so ambiguously. It also didn't necessarily feel like a big finale, just your normal bojack episode where things happened that shouldn't have happened before. You got princess Caroline not coming to Bojack's rescue for once, Mr Peanut Butter deciding writing his own memoir (meaning he's caring about himself a bit more), Todd telling Bojack what to do and giving him advice. But most importantly, Diane deciding to prioritise her own life rather than putting it on pause whenever Bojack leans his head on her shoulders. I think it's mainly a happy ending for her and if we put ourselves in the shoes of the other characters, we're letting Bojack go. We're showing him that he can't come to us anymore for empathy and support on things he was obviously in the wrong for. But we aren't angry at him. It's a clear lesson on how we need to leave people in our lives to deal with their own problems, and while we should forgive them, they sometimes have to deal with the repercussions of it to grow as people
Honsetly this show was everything to me. Its helped pull me out of dark places multiple times, and even now i feel it doing so again. It helps me realize my own issues, while giving me someone to relate with. Every character was so well developed, and it makes me sad to think i wont see anymore of their ups and downs. Thank you Bojack Horseman Thank you
some things you touched on I'd want to add to: Diane's time trying to write her book changing to Ivy Tran: how the meds helped her but also fogged her mind and how it reflected on the attempt to gain her ideas for her original book. from the looks of the show, the meds were working, they were reducing her episodic spirals towards rage or sadness as previous in the show. even her depiction of her dad and her time in Boston seemed more tame than she had previously discussed. when she got off the meds for a bit, her "trauma" rushed back and she collapsed into tears with Guy. I loved how supportive Guy was, how he suggested if she didn't like the meds, she could look into other types of medication and other options. Hollyhock's farewell: the same as when her mom was found, through a letter. It may be a very deep read, but it shows how the show carried this lifeline between Hollyhock and Bojack. she was the last relative he had, the last connection to the Horseman family, and like Dr. Champ drunkenly blurted out: the last reminder of the person he hated most (himself) . once she was gone, he had nothing left and fell apart, opening the avenue for complete destruction or hope for rising from his current state. PC and Judah: having that wonderful character was key to lots of PC's progress as a career woman. While I was rooting for Ralph to return, i think this is more fitting. She was good at work, great even, but she always wanted a piece of her own happiness. Ralph offered it in triplicate, with wealth, power and luxury, but it didn't seem to be what PC needed. Judah offered her love and care, as well as a respect and understanding of her desire to excel in her field, even to the point of doing things like turning down the offer with merging with a big company (PC's old job) in the belief that she was capable of moving forward with the struggles and come out stronger. its a balance of people, one with energy and drive, and the other with the calm collective mindset to help organize and execute those dreams. A powerful match indeed :D Bojack / PB's foible ending: as the series came to a close, I remember how my brother compared the two before saying they were a lot a like (famous for a 90s show, both have unstable relationship with women, and both ignorant of their own shortcomings). I looked for their contrasts and how their paths led, and to be honest there was a pretty fitting conclusion. Both PB and Bojack suffered backlash this season ( Bojack having it all explode on his face, and PB losing pickles, sad dog) clearly two different situations but both centered on their interactions with women. at the end of the series, they're both single: one working with a doctor (psychiatrist / psychologist likely ) to better himself, and the other in prison (serving a sentence for a B &E but also bettering himself). Todd and his mom: Maude gave Todd a stable intimate relationship with her, something that he missed a lot from the fractured relationship with his mom. I think it caused some discomfort with Todd being with women in general ( except PC as they were very functional together in a professional sense), so his attempted rekindling with Emily didn't work and how it ended with Yolanda as well. He did reconcile with her, and had some insight that people are different and that's ok, as they will try to be better if given the chance. Hooray :D The ending: perfect for the show. It did not resolve Bojack as he is always gonna be struggling, it's part of life to struggle but it showed that there's hope for it ( eating the honeydew and liking it.... blew my mind). the last episode is an Easter egg all together, as the first and last scene of the episode are both Bojack And Diane on the starry nigh with and without the heartbeat. While it's nice to see the ending, I can't help but wonder... What if this is Bojack's afterlife and he truly died ? I know it's not, but much of the start of the show makes a mock zoom to him being dead (then not). Just an interesting thought
i experienced what i have never experienced in my life. Watched the 15th episode. Cried like ive never cried in my life for 30 minutes straight. This is the best television can offer. It was like they showed what a k hole feels like. Just adding life and death. The meaning you discover along the way. The things you never say. The fear and the pain. And the love. It was so powerful i cried for an hour after that but i was happy crying because i felt so blessed to have experienced this wonderful creation. And the ending was perfect for me. What a great and rewarding journey this has been.
I loved the ending, a bit sad we didn't get to see more of certain characters but I know why so it's really a nit pick. I just love that he had to face consequences both legal and the fact that he lost some friends. A lesser show would have just redeemed him but the writers decided to give us nuance and I'm greateful for it. What a show!
Yeah, and it also shows how life kinda just moves on. In real life, no one would care about Bojack. There would be tabloids and the scandal would be everywhere, but ultimately it will blow over. And those people just have to live their lives. Bojack lost his friends. They care about him in a general sense, but they don't want anything to do with him. They can't be involved with him anymore. Bojack isn't a good person, but he's trying. However, that's him, he has to try and go through it himself.
I almost broke down during the dinner party scene I really thought bojack was dead then I was happy but angry he wasn’t i mean I didn’t want him to die but I was angry cause the writers made me think he was. Props to them
I was fully expecting him to be dead and the last episode to be about the impact of his life on the other charactersbut that might have redeemed him in a cheap way because no one wants to speak ill of the dead whereas the prison time was another lesson he needed to truly better himself and it gave him time to grow and rethink his path and gave us those scenes with the last moments with his friends at PC's wedding. The whole thing with drowning had been going on through the whole series and maybe this time it was a symbol of rebirth for him. The last episodes were so we'll written and gripping.
I feel that the writers wouldve ended with his death, but they were swayed at least a tiny bit about the message and what it would do to the minds of those of us who love this series
@@seannanana84 Funny, i had a theory a couple seasons ago. Everyone on a forum i was on were unanimous that the series could only end in his death. I thought at the time that the show would see Bojack die, but that we would get another season afterwards. When I found out that season 6 would be split, I thought for sure that i was right lol
The part with Todd and Bojack on the beach was really good. One of the steps in recovery from addiction IS relapse. Most addicts DO relapse. An average of 7 times, in fact. Just the fact that Bojack acknowledges his problem and wants to fix that is monumental in the recovery process. If you relapse, it's okay, as long as you're really honestly trying to recover.
honeslty, Secretariat's poem made me think of an old friend of mine that sadly committed suicide a year ago. it made me think again about him, a year ago i used to think about what he could have felt while he was going to the place where he took his life, but right now i'm thinking of the last seconds of his life. It really was a gut wrenching moment to me, and it will always be a moment of television i will cherish forever
The amount of things that I felt through this show is indescribable, I felt a wide range of emotions from excitement, to sadness, to fear, it isn’t a show that made me feel only one way. I’m 18 years old currently, and I just turned 17 when I began watching the show, and I thought the show was going to be one of those stupidly hilarious comedies like South Park or Family Guy, but instead I was taught one of the hardest life lessons that I had to swallow. The show taught me many things such as the implications of bad decisions, the destructive nature of obsession with past events, and how fame doesn’t mean fortune in ones life. My favorite episode is Season 2 Episode 11, not because I enjoyed the episode but it made me feel a sense of hopelessness when it comes to the feeble nature of my mind at the time, I was 17 when I first watched that episode, around the same age as Penny. Season 6 Episode 15 is a close second because it portrayed my fears of death so accurately, and the poem “View of the Halfway Down” was one of the most chilling poems that I’ve ever heard. The show made me turn to self improvement, and it taught me the values of improving oneself and also the struggle that comes with that. I am trying to be the best person I can be, even though lately that hasn’t been really working, but I know things will get better in the future even though it isn’t working at the current moment. This show means so much to me, it’s going to leave a permanent stain on my mind for the rest of my life.
You literally took the words off my mouth. Still, something good to add would be how it feels to start to change late in your life. The show really benefits from having their cast be at different points in their life and how they go from there; after all, their paths started long before the series started and will end after it ends. Right now I'm about to turn 24; started watching this when it premiered at 18. Hope to find a way into an animation school, but right now all I want is to get my degree in Communications and keep drawing and learn how to animate myself. It's about improving, learning who you are, who you like to be and how could you become that person while accepting the limitations within you.The episodes I can recommend are "Hank After Dark" which pretty much starts the in-depth look into power imbalances within gender and Hollywoo and "BoJack Kills" which is a good road trip episode until it's not and drifts into a psychological drama with hamsters.
I've cried so much in episode 15. I REALLY thought that bojack was dead. Also, it was soooooo hard to see bojack using alcohol and drugs again. It felt like a parent of mine doing this shit :(
After re-watching The View from Halfway Down, I realised that BoJack's last meal also had a bottle of water, which he complained after taking a sip that it tasted like chlorine, already hinting the viewer that it's chlorine pool water where he was currently drowning...
Didn't bojack has to sell his house because xerox sues him for 100 million dollars? I thought the twist was that you can get away with murder but don't upset a big company
The end of bojack horseman left him so so alone. Its so sad, really. He loses hollyhock, doesn't make amends with penny, diane moves, todd becomes independant, princess carolyn gets married, and mr peanutbutter continues to be preoccupied with shinanigans. Everyone's lives move on without him and he becomes isolated. Once he gets out of prison, what will he do? He has no home, no more supporters, and no job. Remember, he was only a professer in college because of hollyhock... The unicorn gig was something he probably was never going to take seriously. Hes truely, alone.
He finally realizes that if he really wants to grow as a person, he has to do it himself. And that his friends have no obligation to stay in his life and make him feel better. They are their own persons. They have their own lives. And they are responsible for their own happiness, even if it means not having bojack in their lives anymore. And I think at the end, bojack realizes all of this too. He's truly alone, and that's sad for him, sure but he can't demand for them to stay in his life. He has no power over anyone anymore. He has to start confronting life by himself, just like the rest of us. Life's a bitch but sometimes you have to keep living.
@@shahinzaghrat7957 and it's refreshing! it's refreshing to have that kind of message! That your life could implode so badly BUT it's okay. youre gonna start from scratch. life will never be the same but it's gonna be okay. at least, if you decide to be. no one else gets to make that decision for us.
When he gets out of prison, he will have some money from the unicorn, Mr Pb will be there and Todd didn't leave him for good, nor did PC. They are not 100% there for him, but I'm sure that if Bojack needs something (like when Bojack needed to find the house of that girl from rehab) they would help him.
I was 15 when the first season came out. I turn 21 at the end of the month. This show has essentially been my teens and early twenties, it's helped me with my writing for film. There's so much I love about this show that I can't put everything into words. I'm happy and sad that the show ended but it was still a great and fitting ending for this masterpiece of a series.
When Sarah Lynn sung her "don't stop dancing song" The songs lyrics are supposed to say "don't stop dancing, don't stop dancing, till the curtains fall." But Sarah didn't say the "till the curtains fall" Part. Instead she fell into the darkness. She is gone forever. I like the idea that that's what happens when you die. Seeing all of the people you see in your life, make up with them, then die.
Took me a while to watch season 6 cause, like how Bojack felt with hollyhock's letter, if i didn't watch it the show's not over. Now that I've finished the show I'm so thankful. This show showed me so much.
I loved mr peanutbutters speech in the last episode, i felt like it was almost the creators of the show talking to us and saying goodbye. He says something like “lets say goodbye to the era of hollywoo”
@@Johnlindsey289 I'm so glad. So many good things are destroyed before they are ended. Give series an appropriate ending. Apparently the creator wanted to continue the show, but 6 seasons seems like enough for any show.
It was brief and you may have missed it , but Wanda was mentioned too. She got a 2nd coma. It was on the magazine of the kid who found bojack bojeebies kid.
I'm so, so happy Judah and PC finally got together. There were hints throughout the season that he did things for her not only because that was his job but also because he genuinely cared about her. I cried literal tears of joy when he confessed his love.
BoJack Horseman is really one of the best animated shows in the decade. Netflix should win a price for this masterpiece of animation. It has everything you need to know for live. #BojackHorseman
Jared Marshall ,I know what you mean but there's a sentence from a writer we can all think about: "If you don't get cancelled as a great show, you keep going long enough to be a bad show".
@@zockerjhd9393 Yeah... I'm glad the show ended on a good note instead of just dragging on forever, even if the creators expressed the desire to continue for a few more seasons. The way they decided to cancel one of their most highly acclaimed shows soon after the creators became unionized was a bit weird, though.
Oh I’ve definitely brought up scenes from Bojack in therapy 😅 My favorite scenes were 1. Diane’s writing process scenes. Those thoughts of self-doubt and the ideas about trauma hit a little too hard at times, but were portrayed so accurately 2. The ending scenes were really heartfelt and a little sad, but gave great closure 3. The dinner ep was fantastically written and gave me goosebumps I loved this analysis and gave insight in some beautiful moments like the Todd moment at the end!! Couldn’t wait for this!
Some of my highlights this season include: - Todd's boundless kindness and his beautiful, thoughtful, subtle gesture towards BoJack at the end ("Oh, you just seemed really overwhelmed at the party. I thought you could use some air."); the conversation at the beach, the Hokey Pokey. - "Life's a bitch and then you die, right?" "Sometimes. Sometimes life's a bitch and then you keep living." (Gotta be my favourite line this season...) - Mister Peanutbutter's growth, and his unwavering loyalty to his friends. He was the one who came to pick BoJack up from prison. He was there for him, unconditionally. Despite how BoJack had treated him over the years. None of what happened diminished his opinion of BoJack. - Mister and Diane's phone conversation. Beautiful growth on both parts, beautiful how their relationship matured. - Everything about ep. 15..... (that was a harrowing experience...) Secretariat's performance especially stuck with me... - The portrayal of Diane on antidepresants, and generally of her state of mind (ep. Good Damage). That was so well done... - ....... literally everything else...??? ...I also found it really sad how when BoJack was supposed to write all the bad things on the board, most of them seemed like pretty minor things (compared to the overall picture) - or at least he didn't include many of the seriously big things (what he did to Todd, Diane and PC, Gina, Sarah Lynn...)... He was making excuses, again, trying to pass off as better than he was, _again..._ That made me so disappointed. I'm glad he ended up making the right choice.
I was just incredibly low when I first watched the show. I was sad and had given up on living. The show just made me feel seen and that gave me a lot of comfort to keep going.
I noticed that on rewatch. Other things I noticed on rewatch with that episode was that they were all eating the last thing they ate before death, and that the water Bojack drinks tasted like chlorine.
It's honestly amazing how BoJack as well as many other characters are written as flawed even straight up toxic but they're still likeable and relatable... I mean, when I relate PC or Diane it's not about seeing yourself as this glamorised character but more about recognising my destructive patterns
This show managed to add one last favorite character in Bojack Horseman to my list: Crackerjack. I just can’t with the way he was smiling the whole time in the 15th episode and just everything was PERFECT about him! I can’t believe this show fulfilled one of my most unexpected dreams: seeing Crackerjack and Bojack together. Like really... I couldn’t stop smiling. This was a gift. I also like how the show tells us its view on suicide. What Bojack says to Diane in the end is something so standard and edgy “Well, life’s a bitch and then you die.” But Diane turns it into something refreshing to hear: “Or life’s a bitch and then you just keep living.” My god, thank you for THAT Diane! Because I believe that’s how people need to think, death is an option but not a solution. It’s also pretty scary how Bojack was about to jump into the abyss. He had peace with it, but when Herb says “Oh BJ, there is no other side” he decided to keep on living. If I would’ve been there, I would’ve jumped with them, because it just felt like the right thing to do through the entire episode. (Plus, I theorized the show ending with a dead Bojack, was kinda sad when that didn’t came out). Yet, the show surprised me. This son of a bitch show surprised me until the very end.
This is why I dont like to watch shows anymore I just feel kinda empty after I finish that REALLY good one You are just left with a feeling of wanting more It really was good while it lasted
I started watching this show just because I knew there was asexual character. The representation made me incredibly happy, but I fell in love with the whole show. I cried throughout The View from Halfway Down, and when BoJacks' heart started beating again, I cried even harder. I really thought for a second that this is it. You summed it up best, for me this show is about all the things that makes us 'us', and about accepting and making piece with this fact.
Same, I always had so many prejudices against the show because it looked like an ordinary comedy show to me and I usually don't find them funny. But when I found out about Todd's asexuality storyline I thought that maybe this show might be different. I got myself a Netflix account just for BoJack Horseman and I regret nothing
@@fecomate2542 I didn't know I need deep reasons while I'm going through Netflix to pick a show to watch. Besides: wanting to see something that's a big part of my life, something not many people talk about, something I struggled with - wanting to see that in a tv show and see how they handle it... is that really shallow?
Diane saying she was afraid to let go of her damage because if she did it would have all been for nothing hit me so hard. My big take away from 6B was how we tend to define ourselves by our past trauma. And that trying to give the pain meaning prevents us from not only being able to move past it, but also keeps us from being who we want to be
@@hopedwyer7947 i think that it would depend on how long before they decide to do it. Also what the reason for coming back was. With Arrested Development, I feel like some corporate fuckhead thought that more money could be made. Plus I dont believe the creator, hadnt had any big success after the show. I will be very interested in Raphael Bob Waksberg's next project. Unless its on a platform that I dont have (and dont plan on getting) l Iike, what is his other show called? Undone?
This show has taught me multiple things But my number one season has to be season 4 where he let everything go It is not healthy to dwell on your past like Eddie did or bojack your in your own bubble as life goes on I even have my own quote for growth "Being scared prevents growth its okay to feel that way but there is a huge difference between being scared and wallowing in fear" As much as i love bojack horseman its nice to see it have this messy ending cause its how life is And for anyone reading i want you to know that you can do anything you wanna do u will go through scars and go through battles you won't wanna go through but when you do it not only does it make u grow as a person but it'll make u feel free and good inside This has been kdoesthings commenting on this video one final time love u Johnny 2 Cellos see u around for the ride
Bojack doesnt have anyone left to pick up the pieces for him. In a really meta way, he doesnt even have an audience to appease, now that the show is over. His life is his responsibility, and now he can realize that without obsessing over what an audience expects of him.
As an alcoholic currently in my fourth year of sobriety, this show has been profoundly cathartic. Seeing so many aspects my own addiction, struggles with depression, and the need to be constantly chasing some level of fulfillment only to find it fleeting. Having it portrayed through the medium of silly anthropomorphic animation has also made it all the more palatable in the most delightful way.
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Don’t forget that Princess Carolyn invited Bojack to her professional wedding but not her personal one! She was finally able to separate her private and personal life, and further remove Bojack from those lives as well!
Yes!! This is such an important detail
He mentioned to her before (earlier episode) that she never let him go, implying that she should.
I felt sad when she said that. Its nice she can separate her personal and professional life but not inviting his friend to her wedding is kinda sad to me. I don't know.
My Thought's yes that’s true, but’s it’s still sad jus to think of it yk :/
The fact that PC cut Bojack out of her personal life was (and still is) one of the saddest things in the show to me, while also still being one of the best things that could've possibly happened.
The only reason I found it that sad was the same as with Diane: Both stuck with Bojack through some horrible times and events, and partially thanks to them he always had a chance to redeem and better himself, or just make it through. Either because they actively rescued him from the predicaments he caused or just because they were there for him, as friends. Many people won't even find a single friend in their life who'd put up with as much as those two had to with Bojack - seeing those two push him away is a stark reminder of just how much damage he caused to those around him.
But not just was this an important step for PC to make in order to find happiness. Even considering Bojack's viewpoint I found solace in this thought:
He realized PC putting up with him caused her pain. He told her to leave him be. And when she finally did it, he had the chance to, instead of wallowing in self pity and indulging in self-destructing behavior, just be happy for someone else and move on. He lost an important part of his past life, but received another chance to show that he changed from his egoistic past self. And at least in that moment, he showed that he did.
If his desire to become a better person was, for the first time in his life, both sincere and lasting, this part can be interpreted in a way happier fashion in my opinion.
Notice when he signs away the rights to Horsing Around to Angela, we never hear the Back in the 90's end credits theme again because he's legally not entitled to that no longer
I thought he burned it in the fire?? I was pretty fucked up when I watched Season 6 pt 2 and i posted my gripes to /bojackhorseman subreddit lmfao
Ima say it now, anyone below who corrects this dude’s grammar rather than enjoying what this dude has to say is a micromanaging moron who doesn’t actually care about what’s being said, but rather wants to make themself feel intelligent through petty internet points.
growingoaks oh no he put the contract right back on the table and took the car
Ashton Evans whaaaat. I need ti rewatch the series. I was on too many benzos when i was watching it to remember. RIP Sarah Lynn and myself lmao
@@stevanthewise7240 no one mentioned it apart from you
"Hey, wouldn't it be funny if this was the last time we talked to each other?"
It's both a huge implication for their character, as well as a literal fact for the entire show.
I think the story of bojack and Diane is very much told in the silences, like when he begs her to tell him he's a good person and she doesn't
RonJos I really loved that moment
Believe it or not, I didn’t realize that last part until I read this comment. I was so wrapped up in the moment, I could only think about what it means for the characters!
Samu Tyrväinen in a good way or a bad way? The Todd thing was symbolic, but the Diane statement was kinda meta
@@lexi7749 I don't think it was meta. It was him realizing he was being cancelled, all over the place.
Season 1: Haha horse man is getting drunk!
Season 6: Oh no horse man is getting drunk...
XD
I literally found it uncomfortable to drink alcohol while watching this show after the first season. Tried to crack a beer a few times while bingeing it and just couldn’t stomach it. Felt like this show needed to be watched sober.
The serie has changed in the moment that Todd had become a serious character...
Lady Hawke I needed to drink because it hits so ridiculously close to home in terms of mental illness and loneliness
Jordan Spitzer - yeah, it hit home for me too. So I just got baked instead. 😳
It's amazing how silently Todd becomes the most mature of characters... he was the one learning all the lessons these damaged people had and did nothing with.
One thing that I noticed about Todd early on was that despite being easy to look down on, out of the entire cast it was the easiest for him to be genuinely satisfied with his lot in life.
He knew not to chase some lofty ideals of fame and fortune someone like Bojack spend decades of his life on. And that isn't to say Todd is complacent or unambitious, he started many projects that snowballed ever greater, but was ready to jump off when they started making him unhappy (or when someone took it from him, he moved on without forgetting it). Same also applies to relationships, when Todd was dissatisfied with his relationship with Yolanda he was honest about it instead of desperately holding on to it or even worse, cheating on her because of it. Despite giving Bojack a lot slack, he did draw the line in "It's You". Finding happiness in small, simple and fleeting things as well as letting go are indeed hard lessons for some to learn
I think you forgot about cp, Diane, pb, and maybe Bojack because they eventually did something with their problems? You guys are kinda watching a different show :/
@@weirddd469dont ever use that acronym again
Damn it now you got me reflecting on todd and I'm about to start crying in my ride share bc he's come so far and his theoretical future is so perfect for him and I'm really stoked about that for him as someone trying to do the same. It's Thanksgiving I'm going to work at a grocery store and I'm gonna crack at the first Karen who asks me where all the turkeys went bc I'm just gonna be thinking about Todd's growth.
The secretariat poem scene honestly scared me.
It was brutal and I needed a hug.
I agree. Haunting
existential chills
Me too. But that's good.
That scene honest to god fucked me up.
I'm just glad Character-Actress Margo Martindale's arc came to a circle too, apologizing to todd for sabotaging his rock opera is a tiny detail i really appreciate
This was something I noted in my review and cut it because the video was so damn long lol
If you pause the final episode and read the newspaper, it says she stole a light from the set too XD
Esteemed character actress, fugitive from the law, and sincere apologist for rock opera sabotage Margo Martindale
"i won't be there, but my movies still be!"
Yessssss
It rubbed me the wrong way when Bojack acted so thrilled after his interview, it completely eradicated that whole heartfelt confession and made it seem like it was no longer genuine.
Lily Raimey my heart sunk when I saw how he reacted. Like he was just playing another role
I took it as him still being super desperate for approval
He felt powerful with the interview and let it go over his head, making him take a wrong decision. He was expecting stones to be thrown at him, not approval.
It shows his addictive personality. He will go overboard on anything that makes him feel good.
@@CrasterFamily Haha good catch. I noticed a Mbmbam reference too when the acting student came into the AA meeting and said "I abandoned my boy!" ofc the Saul one is extra funny cuz Aaron Paul worked with the dude who played Saul :p
I heard something in regards to Netflix's Decision that I love:
"You either end, and see yourself be a Futurama. Or you keep going and watch your self become a Simpson."
Side note: I absolutely love Nausicaa!
Side Note:
This was a really good break-down. I look forward to the rest of your videos.
Thanks man! I'm actually going to start doing some Ghibli deep dives soon and Nausicaa and Castle in the Sky are first on my list
@@Johnny2Cellos I am excited to watch them!
True that. I will always love Simpsons' earlier seasons, but overall I regard Futurama as a better series, mostly because it has an end.
I gotta say, Charlotte's mistake she is ashamed of is not kissing Bojack. It's a small part of the big reason she didn't want her mistakes to be known. She was the reason Bojack was around. She trusted him with her family, let him stay with her and allowed him and Penny to form a bond that close in the first place. She blames herself for bringing in the person that hurt her daughter into their lives. It's heartbreaking because she'll always blame herself in a way for trusting him.
I love the imagery of Beatrice unraveling after Crackerjack dies.
Yeah its great, one of my fave parts of this episode, like everything was fine in her life, she was beautiful and happy, and then crackerjack died, and his death plagued her entire life like the black tendrils that change her baton to icky black and then she unravels, that everything stemmed from that moment.
@Abel Aguiar yeah but had crackerjack not died her mother would of still been there, she would have had a much more stable childhood since her mother never would of been lobotomized, yes her father still would of messed her up a bit but with her loving mother there shed of been a much better person, thats why crackerjack was the start of all of it
Omg I didn’t even think of that! Beautiful 😭
I wonder why Beatrice didn't get to say what was her best part worst part...
Wow!! Never even thought about it that way
The Princess Caroline and Juda relationship is something I never asked for but Im so happy it happened.
Tbh it weirded me put at first because I always assumed Judah was like twenty something and pc was late 40
I feel PC's character has a too perfect ending. She has a wonderful job, partner and a lovely baby. I feel like it doesn't really match the show's tune, so to speak.
@@metalheart5349 well her ending represents structure in all aspects of her life, which matches her whole theme as a character. She balances so much between her personal life and business, her maintaining a sense of structure is what keeps her going peacefully.
@@raptirboy180
PC was born 77
So 50
I love how the show started with diane and bojack meeting each other and ended with their last time together. Diane made it clear she didnt want bojack in her life anymore but was still thankful for him being in her life when he was.
Already. At least she, although she will never see him again, did not hatefully leave him.
@E D no shes not bojack is clearly...
@@persephone3309 She's the main female character
It was so hard to watch, rooting for Bojack to get better while KNOWING that he deserved everything he got. He RUINED people's lives, and he DID abuse his power over women whether he meant to or not.
The question is, if people genuinely want to change, do you prevent them from doing so, or at least give them a chance?
Bojack deserved to finally get his comeuppance, it's just tragic that all this happened when he was trying to be a better person.
@@nicholasspruitenburg2809 I've been wondering that about Bojack since the ending. I guess I'm not clever enough to really understand what the writers' stance is on this question.
If I were to guess, try to be better because the people around you don't deserve to be hurt just for being close to you. Past pains, traumas and addictions don't stop them from being hurt by what you did. And for the people you've hurt in the past apologize and accept if they don't accept the apology.
I don't really say that from anything particular in the show... Just something I think is a good start at improvement.
I thought I was the only one who thought thiss
This nuanced portrayal is much more effective in creating an empathetic dialogue around the cycle of abuse and trauma. It doesn't excuse it, and it doesn't resort to being self righteous and moralistic. It brought me nto focus that being a human being is hard. Real hard. And to try and become better- that is formidable for anyone to attempt.
The look at Bojack's dispicableness as well as his redeemable qualities is waaay harder to reconcile. The show was outstanding. Have to build up the emotional fortitude before watching it again.
@@nicholasspruitenburg2809 He had MORE than enough chance throughout his life.
Something you didn't address was that the show covers the period of time in Bojack's life that he knew Diane. There's flashbacks to give us context as viewers, but it starts with Bojack meeting Diane and ends when their friendship ends. They're also the only two main characters that have significant physical changes as well as personal ones; Diane changes her hair and gains weight and so does Bojack.
This is a great observation
I think they would’ve carried on being friends even after the season ended
@@jellocat4100 but you know what bojack said to her on the roof that night...
@@jellocat4100
Nah, she made it clear that their friendship was over while they were on the roof.
Yeah, exactly. I thought it was obvious. When i started watching show recently, i thought it would be entirely about Bojack and Diane relashiopship, about him going after her. Show literally started with them meeting and setting up their further interaction. Well, i was kinda right and wrong at the same time. And... it ended with their friendship ending. It this point the show could be named Bojack and Diana. Her character and relationship to Bojack are as important as everything else there. And they are the beggining and the end of the show
They should make a special showing Todd's rock opera
Yeah, and Philbert...
Like 200 m8
This is the greatest suggestion I've ever heard
Exactly! I was sad that he didn't make it, especially when it was clearly going well!!
I don't know...I didn't like that Horsin Around Christmas episode
The view from halfway down is currently the highest rated episode of television on IMDb
Let’s keep it that way
there are actually a few episodes with 10/10 rating on IMDb, the highest rating TV episode of all time is "Ozymandias" from Breaking Bad. i certainly hope "The View From Halfway Down" remains 10, it definitely deserves to be up there with the greats.
The siren
I learned something today, thank you
It deserves to be there. The view from halfway down might be my favourite episode ever. When Herb told Bojack there’s nothing after this it left me feeling terrified but also motivated to do something with my life. A show hasn’t done that for me, ever really.
Highest rated episode of western animation, baby!
www.imdb.com/search/title/?title_type=tv_episode&num_votes=1000,&sort=user_rating,desc attack on titan and breaking bad are the only other shows to have a 10 episode, also bojack horseman has the biggest percentage of people who have voted it as a 10 so it is pretty much the highest rated episode on imdb atm
Sarah Lynn's mother is absolutely horrible. She might care about her daughter but she was one of the worst people in her life. She made sure she never felt good enough and told her, her actual dreams were stupid. She is the reason she didn't become and architect.
Sarah Lynn's parents were worse than BoJack's parents. At least they didn't whore BoJack out for money, they didn't stop him from becoming an actor, and they didn't sexually abuse him!
It's never just one person, though. How many people were part of Sarah Lynn's life and didn't... well, fucking *talk* to the girl? She kept talking about wanting to be an architect, and no one ever gave her permission to be one, or encouragement. That includes all of the people we never saw ignore her on screen -- her ex-boyfriends, her agent, her manager, the "friends" she managed to have, and of course Bojack and Herb.
On one of the few scenes we saw Herb with Sarah Lynn, his main concerns were the stupid book he wrote and lecturing her about substance abuse. Everyone could tell her drug abuse was bad -- no one managed to encourage her to find a reason to live. In the end she only stopped doing drugs so that she could enjoy drugs harder later.
It's all a confluence of factors. And while in the end Bojack ended up being the biggest sinner, Sarah Lynn was let down by pretty much everyone she's ever been close with.
@@alexvaughan1013 you can't compare truama though, they both came from broken families
@@Yodah97 Sarah Lynn is really a fantastic commentary on child actors--because looking at her and asking "why didn't any of the people around her help her?" is so important to understanding the industry and how it affects the kids in it. It's why so many former child stars have "breakdowns" or struggle so much in adulthood....in real life, it's often framed as THEM having the problem and them being gossip-fodder, instead of people struggling to have a sense of control and individuality.
I really appreciate the show for that, bc it's easy to write an "evil" mom or "evil" producer but don't worry everyone else is good and just didn't know! Often, especially in Hollywood--everyone is complicit.
@@alexvaughan1013 I understand what you're saying, but in instances of abuse in any case, it isn't a game of "who has it worse". They both had awful parents who did things that were unforgivable.
“Isn’t the point of art less about what people put into it and more about what people get out of it”
-Todd Chavez
Idk this smells like bs to me, sounds like a way for the writers to shield themselves from criticism since with enough mental gymnastics you can basically get anything you want out of any piece of art
Bob Jones
I agree especially with post modern “art” you know when you toss paint onto canvas and say some BS like “I was anger and I tossed this paint onto this canvas it’s a reflection of my untethered rage.” Well sure but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s utterly ugly and once you die the meaning will cease being. I mean look at this picture here upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Verrocchio%2C_Leonardo_da_Vinci_-_Battesimo_di_Cristo.jpg it’s a picture of the baptism of Christ; rather your religious or not the painting has a clear meaning. This is a sinless man being baptized to further purify his soul before the temptation. The picture is timeless and anyone can tell what’s going on. That’s what art is supposed to be... a way to transcend time and for the meaning of the creator to be pass on to the viewer as if you were the artist that made such work. Now look at this images.saatchiart.com/saatchi/1054306/art/4208890/additional_0fee507d2bee33be0f6ff0d7aae86985dd78d75e-8.jpg this is what everyone thinks of it m.th-cam.com/video/pbaTDm23GbE/w-d-xo.html
This is a consumerist "Death of the author" perspective, which basically means you need someone to "consume" art in order for it to be qualified as art. If an artist puts their heart into a work, but never shows it to anyone, does it no longer qualify as art? Can the passion, unique ideas, methods, techniques, etc. that people put into their art not give meaning and purpose to the person who created it? Is art considered "better" if more people experience one piece of art compared to another piece of art (so the most popular stuff is the 'best' art)? What about art that has no meaning to it, but displays master craft technique? Like the artists who paint/draw in photo-realism? All they are doing is technically "copying" what they see, but is the technique not masterful enough to be considered art in its own right?
This was the one line I didn't like in the entire series and it boxes art into this singular classification/definition, which sort of limits its scope and applicability. Art shouldn't be so easily defined in a single sentence.
@@SNOZ562 I don't think it means that there needs to be somebody to "consume" your art. Even if there is nobody to "consume" your art, it is still about the stuff you get out of it as the creator. :) So this line is right on imho. ;)
@@filipcernik7095 But as a creator, the stuff you get out of it is exactly the stuff you put into it. Any artist will tell you the joy for them is the creating portion of a piece of art, not the finished piece. The finished piece is just the icing on top, but in reality artists aren't creating things purely to have the joy of the final product, the joy comes from the act of creating itself.
As someone who's attempted suicide in the past and called themselves an ambulance, The View from Halfway Down really hit close to home. I saw that view, and with the way I went about my attempt, I had the opportunity to change course. I often wonder what would have happened if I had done something similar to Secretariat. I mean, obviously, I'd be gone, but I mean to my friends and my family.
That was the single most gut-wrenching episode for me. I've felt exactly how Secretariat felt in that moment, and the way they captured his hopeless panic was perfect.
I'm so happy you're still alive! I hope you're doing well in your life.
I feel exactly the same, was about to throw myself into some subway rails... not proud of it and I still think of it, almost daily. The only thing that stopped me was that there were so many people, most of them university students like me, and I didnt want to cause them trauma.
I had left my backpack in the ground, a letter in my rooms desk, I was ready.
But I could see the view in time. That poem is terrifying and it hit me so hard... I will never attempt such a thing again.
I feel you here and am happy that you survived. I tried to slit my throat at one point and just lay there as my throat slowly bled. Was my View from halfway down as the ambulance came. Thank god I'm alive
I’m happy that you’re all alive and were able to pull through some of the toughest moments of your lives. May you live on with strength and happiness ❤️
Most peope who jump from bridges or buildings change their mind halfway down and have to live thru some last seconds of absolute horror
my favourite detail is in ep 15 where each person's food is the last meal they had while alive. Bojacks's was the bunch of pills he found in the bathroom and the chlorine water from the pool, Herb's was the peanuts that killed him etc etc.
fullrewrite nah she had fries
That made me think Bojack overdosed and fell in the pool, and then he died
and it also killed them, e.g. with sarah lynn and the obsession about and against junk food
ελ I knew there was some meaning behind that food i just couldn't tell what it was i guess my memory isn't as good as all of yours
I didn't get that until now! Wow! That's an amazing detail!
"D" as in "Birthday Dad"
no, B
@@yo4877 shut up, let mistakes occur
@@VideoGamer132-i4z Im not sure if this is a woooosh or if u have been wooooshed here.
@@VideoGamer132-i4z stfu
When he was asked about what he would say to Sarah Lynn's mother i really wanted him to say "I'd tell her that she wanted to be an architect"
What he said made sense but like still.
I really thought he would say that. I was disappointed
I literally said "She wanted to be an architect" right before he said "I wish she knew how sorry I am"
I started watching this show in February 2019 at the beginning of a painful divorce from an abusive man. It helped me seek out therapy for not only the trauma I suffered from him but also from my family. The poem from "The View from Halfway Down" struck me hard and I'm so glad my past suicide attempts were failures. I'll miss this show but I'm thankful I discovered it during the worst year of my life.
Thank you so much for sharing, I’m so glad the show was able to help you ❤️
I hope that a year later things have gotten better for you. The world is better with you in it.
I really liked it when BoJack talked to Todd on the beach, and the tracks on the beach were wiped away by the sea... It showed that Todd believed he could turn it all around, and that he believed that Bojack could make a new start. This whole ending was just amazingly well done, I loved it, and it made me want to watch the whole show again
Another great thing was that in Prison, BoJack directs Hedda Gabler, a play by Ibsen. What Beatrice was always telling about Horsin Around was that ‘it’s not Ibsen but...’
I feel like having Beatrice be shown as a younger version of herself is symbolic of how her spirit died around this time. After the debutante ball, she is encompassed by misery - she had felt dead all along
once she met bojacks father.. everything in her died.
@@sierra.ml02 it happened way before that. Her father's closed-minded views and upbringing, lobotomizing her mom, and crackerjack's death contributed to it before she met Butterscotch.
@@blaccnblu i think it goes hand in hand kinda like gasoline and a lighter
I don’t feel for Sarah Lynn’s mother, she was the worst kind of show mom
Aug 101 yeah she didn’t listen to Sarah Lynn’s wants to be an architect, just so she could thrive in show business, which in the end killed Sarah Lynn
Do you also noy feel for the main characters of BJHM? A lot of them are incredibly terrible. I can't imagine wanting to watch the show if you cant empathize with them in some way.
Cheezits I can empathize with almost all of them but Sarah Lynn’s mom forced an unhealthy lifestyle on her daughter without even positive intentions
@@diggymgee Todd and Mr. Peanut Butter are terrible?
@@BraintrustDoesStuff Ironically, I have a distant relative who went to university to study architecture, and ended up going into showbusiness after he fell in with the drama club on campus. He wrote the TV shows "Mother and Son", and "Grassroots". We call him Uncle Geoffrey.
Sarah Lynn’s story arch is heart breaking, I was so angry when they killed her off. And I was angry when I found out what bojack did in response to her od and angry that her mother and step-father of all people got a settlement. I mean I understand the logistics of it legally, but they were both implied to be incredibly abusive and exploitative and so completely unaware of the damage they’d done to her and they still came out on top in more ways than one.
The shows wants you to feel like that. Because things like these happen in real life. And if we don't realise it and don't get upset about it, we'll never try to do something about it
Allie IsWell what the hell are we supposed to do about it? I have no idea how to fix that problem it’s just a shitty situation, like are we supposed to call cps on every child actor? yeah it was extremely dark for it to end that way but it was a sad ending to see how her family got away with everything, I feel the show was actually pretty rough on the characters.
That's probably why she kept calling the reporters. Maybe she wanted Sarah Lynn's death to be a scandal so she could get a settlement. She thought of her as a cash cow rather than a daughter
@@chop.sticks. holy shit I never thought of that! I was still hung up on how they used her death to generate ad revenue with stuff like “I’d die for a Pepsi”
While Bojack gets rightfully punished for his contribution to her destruction, they don't.
In the final episode Bojack has lost nearly everything he had at the beginning of the series or gained throughout. This right here is ending the series in a positive note because when Bojack and Diane visit Cuddly Whiskers a few seasons back he tells them his famous line: "Only after you give up everything can you begin to find a way to be happy". Bojack will be just fine you guys.
:)
I hope so. He did the most to become good.
I love this take!
Very true. No more secrets, no more ties to his old life. "After all, tomorrow is another day!"
i just finished the show and that was very nice to read
Bojack Horseman has ended and I'm left thinking "Doggy-doggy.. what now?"
🎶knick knack patty whack give a dog a bone🎶
The answer is simple: Watch it again!
At first it was funny but now it kinda hits hard..
@@arinaz318 I kinda just watched the first 5 seasons just laughing along and whilst I obviously got the main themes, I never fully felt them relating to real life. Then I watched youtube analysis videos, rewatched it and omg does it hit hard
Sad dog....
So because I’m legally blind and use audio description, I noticed during the opening credits even in the first half of the season, when BoJack falls into the pool, the description says “he sinks to the bottom.”
I figured that was significant. Turns out I was right.
Seth Wilson oooo! Interesting 🤔
But didnt that also happen in every season prior to this one?
Oh, and I REALLY like that fates of all of the characters aren't final and there's no "happily ever after": they still living their lives further, they definitely will struggle and have fights with each other and within themselves to the end of the day, but this chapter of their lives are finished, just for another to begin.
While that's true, i still feel like there was more implied for everyone, with the exception of Boj.
@@kingnothing2161 sure thing, they probably could drag it forever, especially with that amount of characters, but it ended were it ended.
"You never get a happy ending because there's always more show"
@V-Rex and it's interesting, because others saying quite the opposite: that characters are part of the narrative and doesn't exist past it. So that's a matter of intent, I guess.
I dunno, it felt anticlimactic
A note at the very end is how Bojack looks at Diane when the song says “I know that you’re sour and sick and sad for some reason” as she is through most of the show, while Diane glances at BJ during the line “I have to go now darling don’t be angry,” while it’s probably the last time they’ll hangout. It’s the little things.
Another depressing fact that was overlooked; Diane ALSO had to write all the shitty things Bojack did to her because he doesn't even thinks about it ... 7:31
All I can say is Bojack eats honeydue and he doesn't dislike it while this is likely just a joke it's still a good callback.
im probably reaching a lot here, but i always thought the honeydew symbolized how bojack viewed life. he hates it and thinks its worthless and he cant figure out why everyone else loves it, but at the end after potential death he tries it and realizes its not as bad as he thought
Victoria Beck that might be the best explanation for it i’ve ever read
@@vickibeck4019 This makes so much sense. I figured there had to be some sort of symbolism for the honeydew but I couldn't figure out what it was.
Bojack Horseman is over, and everything is worse now.
Brian Murphy well Bojack Horseman is over, but that doesn’t mean we can’t move forward.
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I know the reference/joke you were making I just wanted you to be happy.
No, Bojack Horseman is over, and everything might just be okay.
Didn't even get a goddamn churro.
I'm trying to remember the reference but I can't remember which episode it came from
Geketa it was nice while it lasted
I didn’t realize that Gina got the fireflame role! I’m so happy for her. And she also predicted that Bojack would end up in jail when she confronted him before the interview with Biscuits.
Secretariat’s poem has actually had a pretty profound impact on me. I put off watching the last few episodes until last week, so it’s all very fresh in my mind. For the past few months, I’ve been going to the top of a parking garage and I’ll stand on the edge and just look down, waiting for the courage to jump but I never do. After watching that episode, the thought of “the view from half-way down” keeps coming back and I keep thinking about how that’s what I would experience if I actually jumped. I think it is most of the reason why I haven’t been back and I haven’t pushed myself further.
@SCP-527 thank you so much! I’m actually doing a lot better. I’m going to therapy consistently, I finally got my own apartment and things are looking up.
Hey, I know you posted this a while ago, I just wanted to ask if you're doing ok
Very proud, I hope you’re doing well
I know it's been months since you posted this, but I'll say this much. I'm glad you didn't go through with it.
I hope you're still doing well and I hope you find peace while remaining here with us.
When someone ODs, there’s a “sweet spot” where they can be saved if treated with naloxone. Although I can’t find the exact time limit online, it would be hard to argue that those 17 minutes couldn’t have saved her life. That is when I realized that bojack is shitty. Not helpless, as we’ve seen, but shitty nonetheless. The interview with Biscuits really showed me this, when she said something along the lines of “maybe that wasn’t your intention, but you just didn’t care about others.”
Amazing season. Amazing show. I wish I could’ve seen the view from halfway down.
According to Knives Out, it's about ten minutes. ("That.. naxa.. stuff") So if he'd called right away she could well have been saved. But he had to go and try to cover his tracks.
@@kaitlyn__L don’t even get me started man... it breaks me lol
My husband OD'ed on Fentanyl and the naxolone did its job. The hospital sent him home with a carebag full of emergency naxolones.
I felt like they just added the 15 minutes part to make him out like a bad guy like to cement to the viewers thats hes shitty but i dont think thats very in character he loved sarah lynn
Cant trust politicians
When Mr Peanutbutter was talking in the car about how he's figured out how he's the problem in all of he's relationships it made me think about this one episode where his previous mariages where shown, all of them sitting in a car and him wondering what they all have in common... he figured this out
yeah the poor guy did not got closure. There was no development in his character
Yes there is! He was developed, in the sense that he finally realized how he acts towards others and the ways in which they aren’t always healthy.
Sumit Shrestha I respectfully disagree. For the first time ever, Mr. Peanutbutter learned self-awareness, how to genuinely pay attention to other people's needs, and how to finally be comfortable with being alone. It took 6 seasons. But, Mr. Peanutbutter finally evolved into a fully formed person.
@Autumn Potato absolutely! he's finally learned how to be really with himself.
Am I a Christopher Nolan movie because women are involved but they're never really the focus....it's always about me.
Ha!
I really thought that he would turn the sign in to Hollywoof
@Alc Shot Would have been much better.
The end was bittersweet but the more I dwell on it the more I absolutely love it.
“Life is a *bitch* then we die, right?”
“Well sometimes life is a *bitch* and we just.. keep living”
Those two lines had a huge impact on me, especially because of the trouble I’ve had recently. It gave me hope weirdly enough.
Edit: Changed “shitty” to “bitch” for those of you that liked to correct me for no reason. The impact is still there regardless of the word I used. But there you go, happy now?
It's bitch
"Life's a bitch then we die, right?"
goodluck
_PlanetOMars_ Same here. I’ve had depression for about 3 years now, and I rewatched this episode only to pick out what meant the most to me. One can either choose to die or keep living until their last breath. Either way, life will come to an end.
Jedi Flip Wow. Literally means the same thing. Still has the same impact.
Also, in The View From Halfway Down, Famous Actor Zach Braff was serving the meals, because he died being cannibalized by Jessica Biel
(a sentence I never thought I'd say)
😂😂😂 meal serving the meals
My absolute favorite moment from the show, and this episode, is that Todd remembers and cares enough about Bojack to know he'd be uncomfortable in a room full of people. Todd is the real MVP
Todd is my man
He's a good person and that's why he's my favorite character.
_"The most important thing is, you got to give the people what they want, even if it kills you, even if it empties you out until there's nothing left to empty. No matter what happens, no matter how much it hurts, you don't stop dancing, and you don't stop smiling, and you give those people what they want."_
*~ Bojack Horseman*
Mr. Friendship 🎶 Don’t stop dancing til the curtain call! 🎶
Mr. Friendship like what happened with Hollyhock
There's always more show, i guess, until there isn't.
Its Dretrix05 um based on his reaction: she doesn’t want him in her life anymore
And at the end, the show didn't gave us the Happy Ending that we wanted. And I Love it
This may not be the most introspective deep comment but I just wanted to say... Toddler Ruthie running around in the background at the wedding was so cute!
So true!!
I missed that?? I better go back and watch!
I noticed that too. Warmed my heart.
This final season BROKE. ME. "The View from Halfway Down" was the most insightful and symbolic pieces of television I have ever seen, and the end of the final episode where we watch Diane and BoJack stare at the night sky had me weeping. Beautiful ending to a fantastic show
Can I ask how old you are? Everyone who liked the last episode tells me I will like upon a second viewing when I am older but as it is I did t enjoy it
Didn’t * enjoy it
@@erinstewart2644 it’s just not ur thing then🤷♂️, age doesn’t matter. If u don’t like it, u don’t like it and that’s ok
@@erinstewart2644 like the other commenter said, it might be that you just don’t enjoy it which is a perfectly fine opinion. However, if you are a younger teenager or maybe even a bit older you might miss a subtlety to the ending that I think is only recognized through a certain amount of life experience. I don’t know if you’ll like it or not in the future, but I bet you would have a different perspective in some way if you watch it in a few years :) I watched it as an adult and enjoyed it, but I know I’ll probably see it differently anyway if I watch it later too.
_"I’m afraid of losing some part of myself. I’m afraid that if I let someone else take care of me that I’m not really me anymore. I’m afraid of getting too comfortable, you know, going soft. I’m afraid that this could be the best thing that ever happened to me and if it doesn’t make me as happy as I’m supposed to be, that means I’m a lost cause."_
*-Princess Carolyn*
Honestly, I loved Bojack Horseman. But I don't want more. Like you said, that's life. I want more Tuca & Bertie. That show was cancelled far too quickly and it deserved better!
Sarah Lynn was eating fast food because it was her last meal (she and bojack didnt cook much when they were on their bender)
Or because she never got to enjoy junk food growing up, because her mom pressured her to be skinny
Yeah. Everyone ate their last meal. Cordoroy had the lemon, his mom had hospital food, and crackerjack got war rations. Bojack had the cabinet full of pills and pool water.
Wouldn’t it be nice if she had the Bojack’s head on the plate?
omg that's the 1 meal i didn't understand. thx for bringing that up!
They were all eating their last meals
Suprised Gina’s arc was never talked about.
Well, she wasnt really relevent this arc. When he pointed out about the billboard at the last episode I thought it was pretty clever. The subtlety that there is a conclusion, but it really as vocal as Gina dosent have as much relevance in Bojack's life anymore
It would have been weird to bring her in this season. I’m sure she wants nothing to do with bojack especially since she said previously how she doesn’t want to be known as the woman bojack horseman almost killed.
It's in keeping with the BJH having power over women storyline. Victims of assaults are often seen as just that - vicitims, as someone playing a minor role in someone else's life, in the life of the man who exerted his power over them, often a famous person, but that society is blind to these women in a way.
I can imagine it's one of the plot lines that was cut due to the series ending slightly earlier than the writers RBW imagined. I can definitely see a whole season or at least half a season of bojack in prison but it's also nice that it implies that life goes on and the world is moving without bojack, because that's how life is
Emilio Foronda not relevant? You could argue that a few things that they brought up weren’t relevant, but that’s the point - no matter how far you move on consequences are unforgiving no matter how insignificant they’ve become in the scene of your life. We actually do get to see a small resolution for Gina, but it goes unmentioned.
Yeah, I really like that it ended kinda optimistic, despite Bojack loosing all his possessions, friends, and even the status of Horse from Horsing Around, but clearly leaving him in a ground zero, where it's finally entirely on him how his life will go from that moment. There's some vistas, like Horny Unicorn and other projects, so he literally can start anew in that reconfigured form of new Bojack. And yet, they've showed how it could end with the fatality of the character, killing the horse at the end of the series and denying the possibility for him to go other side.
Yes.. Just don't read my comment I posted haha. 😰
Him losing everything is kind of like what happened with cuddlywhiskers.
At least he still has Todd, PB, and PC
Only when you lose everything can you begin to find a way to be truly happy
Seeing Diane make a difference with Ivy Tran and having her find her self worth without the need to unpack her trauma meant so much to me.
2:17 I never noticed until you put these clips next to each other that Hollyhock and BoJack both do the same nervous arm-stroking tic in this scene.
I’ll do you one better! Go check out Time’s Arrow, Butterscotch has the same tic.
Great observation!
@@Johnny2Cellos The attention to detail in this show regularly blows my mind.
Im sry i forgot which ep she do that, which ep is it again?
Wish we knew what was on the letter that Hollyhock Manheim-Mannheim-Guerrero-Robinson-Zilberschlag-Hsung-Fonzerelli-McQuack sent to Bojack.
"Dear Bojack,
I've been having a hard time coming up with the right words to say to you, or even how to say it to you. I thought of emailing or texting, but important messages always seem to be mailed, at least that's how it is in the movies.
Growing up, I always wondered what my birth family was like. I had enough love from my dads, but I still felt like there was something missing. A part of me that wasn't complete. When I went searching for my mom, I never expected to find my brother. In meeting you, I managed to find a part of myself that I never knew existed. I will always be thankful to you for that.
I think it's best for both of us if we break off contact. I can't deal with this. I have my own life, my own goals, and my own dreams that I need to pursue. I cannot have your baggage interfere with my future. I am so, so sorry for the events that have happened in your life. You've been through so much, and I don't have the answer to your problems.
I still don't know if I believe in god, or some higher power, but I hope if there is one that he can give you some peace. If not him, the universe, or maybe a really good therapist. You will always have a place in my heart, and you will always be part of who I am, but please stay out of my life.
Sincerely yours,
Hollyhock Manheim-Mannheim-Guerrero-Robinson-Zilberschlag-Hsung-Fonzerelli-McQuack"
Speaking of Hollyhock, what does her birth mother look like? Meaning her face.
Adam Anscombe human, she was the maid that bojacks mother and father hired
@@adamanscombe1384 watch times arrow episode her name is henrietta
@@yuongsanti4220 That was beautiful
Not on the subject of mental illness like I'm seeing a lot of in the comments *for good reason), but it helped me realize I'm asexual and finally gave me an understanding of that. It wasn't an immediate revelation, but it certainly helped. Helped put an end to one of the biggest personal dilemmas in my life, even if it isn't as heavy as some of the mental illness stuff. I'll always be grateful to the show and writing staff for that.
for sure this show gets an A+ in representation!! for this show to have the balls to bring to light stuff that’s so unspoken but so real is just something i will forever be in awe of and is one of the many many reasons why i love it sm
Welcome, fellow ace~
Dude, I relate a lot. For a long time I was struggling trying to figure out my sexuality, nothing seemed to quite fit, I felt no attraction to men (I'm a girl), so I thought I might be gay... and then Todd came out and said he was asexual, and that was like an epiphany for me. It kinda made a ton of sense... Made me reconsider everything about myself.
I still haven't quite figured it out. But Todd certainly helped with the process.. and it also really helps in another way - for me, who is kinda scared of "being asexual", or would need time to come to terms with it (totally no offence to asexual people, it's just a whole other thing to know that asexuality is totally okay and valid, and to accept it in yourself...), Todd is such a good character to identify with. I'd be proud to have something in common with him, not ashamed. This show did it well.
Much love to all y'all aces out there xx
This was the biggest revelation for me watching the show, too. I'm not asexual, but I am aromantic. I have been trying to figure this out since I was a teenager and I never got the same feelings my peers got. I used to fake having crushes on people to seem normal. I was married for a long time, but I never could figure out the romantic part of the relationship. In couple's therapy I just couldn't give my ex husband the "intimacy" he wanted. After being divorced for 5 years, I realized I just don't have the desire for romantic relationships at all. It was confusing because I do experience sexual attraction. When I saw the Ace meet up where they described being asexual but romantic, I googled it to see if the opposite was a thing. Just like in the show labels can be helpful sometimes. It's really put me in a good place with understanding my romantic orientation and that I'm not alone.
At first I was like, nah I like sex but the more I thought about it I realized that I liked the idea of sex I had formed in my head not the actual events, this show helped me re ground myself in reality and now I'm living my best asexual biromantic life!!!
I loved the imagery and symbolism in the last few episodes. Even the small things like Todd and bojacks trail of footprints on the beach. Showing their once singular path has separated from each other.
It was all just so well done
I love the ending message of the show. I was watching it with my boyfriend, and he noted feeling that parts of it were left undone and that made it feel a little rushed. I agree to an extent, I wish we got to see more of Judah and PC, or what PB's life is actually like since being single. But ultimately, I love that parts of it are left to speculation.
We don't get to see "what happens to Bojack," in the sense that we don't see if he ever truly redeems himself. I think that throughout the show, we're shown his perspective. Obvi, this is a product of the fact that he's the protagonist. But, I think that it makes it easier to excuse (or too quickly move past) the shite stuff he does constantly. I think that the interview with Biscuits is the turning point for the audience's relationship with Bojack. We get insight to how his actions impacted the women in his life without the filter he creates. I loved that episode cause it literally clicked in my head that I was aligning myself with him, even though he's not the character I relate to most. I was able to step outside his perspective and look at things more objectively. From that point, I think it's our turn (the audience) to realize that what happens to Bojack is ultimately not our responsibility, no matter how much we empathize with him. We, like so many other characters on the show, need to move on and let go of the need to take care of him. Maybe that's placing too much emphasis on the audience's role in the show, but that's what I got from it.
This show means so much to so many people. But, everything ends and we need to learn how to accept that while still being able to keep the parts of our experiences that make us who we are.
I think that regardless of if they had more episodes to finish the show, they would have left threads hanging and stories without closure. Ultimately this show reflects reality, and things don't neatly wrap up at the same time in life.
I'm not completely on board with how they made it a gender thing. He affected men too, Todd, his therapist (though unintentionally), the asphyxiating assistant and finally Herb. I think this reflects how media misdirects facts to fit their own narrative. I was with the interviewer till she HAD to make it a gender thing. As much as Bojack was irredeemable, I hate it when people try to drag gender into the conversation unnecessarily...
Man this should be top comment. I felt like the ending was not as satisfying as it could've been, and this is a pretty good way to look at him. The audience's role isn't to identify with bojack and be happy for him at the end, it's to accept what he is and that the show is a critique to his character, not a love letter.
Weird way to think about the show, specially since it's not how I thought of it throughout most of it, but it's the perspective I get from the ending
@@zealrot4992 Exactly. It was an unsatisfying interview because whilst the audience did want comeuppance for Bojack, he didn't get a true breakdown by Biscuits as the interview took a less objective view and instead focussed on what would be a stronger story to easily and quickly paint Bojack as a bad guy.
@@zealrot4992 to be fair, all the stuff you mentioned isn’t stuff that biscuits knew about. And she is a journalist and on tv, so it makes sense that she needed the direction of painting a pattern of abuse against women. I agree with you that he doesn’t just affect women but I don’t think you can deny the pattern presented in the show.
I think it's good that it ended so ambiguously. It also didn't necessarily feel like a big finale, just your normal bojack episode where things happened that shouldn't have happened before. You got princess Caroline not coming to Bojack's rescue for once, Mr Peanut Butter deciding writing his own memoir (meaning he's caring about himself a bit more), Todd telling Bojack what to do and giving him advice. But most importantly, Diane deciding to prioritise her own life rather than putting it on pause whenever Bojack leans his head on her shoulders. I think it's mainly a happy ending for her and if we put ourselves in the shoes of the other characters, we're letting Bojack go. We're showing him that he can't come to us anymore for empathy and support on things he was obviously in the wrong for. But we aren't angry at him. It's a clear lesson on how we need to leave people in our lives to deal with their own problems, and while we should forgive them, they sometimes have to deal with the repercussions of it to grow as people
Zach Braff was serving the food, since he was served to the others underground.
OH SHIT
I don’t really know Zach Braff all that well to understand this. Can someone explain it?
Rewatch 4x07 'Underground'.
@@lucasdolding6924 OH YEA! I forgot about that!
No worries, he was only in that one episode before (I think) and never mentioned again (I think).
Honsetly this show was everything to me. Its helped pull me out of dark places multiple times, and even now i feel it doing so again. It helps me realize my own issues, while giving me someone to relate with. Every character was so well developed, and it makes me sad to think i wont see anymore of their ups and downs.
Thank you Bojack Horseman
Thank you
After he lost Holyhock I knew it was over for Bojack.
some things you touched on I'd want to add to:
Diane's time trying to write her book changing to Ivy Tran: how the meds helped her but also fogged her mind and how it reflected on the attempt to gain her ideas for her original book.
from the looks of the show, the meds were working, they were reducing her episodic spirals towards rage or sadness as previous in the show. even her depiction of her dad and her time in Boston seemed more tame than she had previously discussed. when she got off the meds for a bit, her "trauma" rushed back and she collapsed into tears with Guy. I loved how supportive Guy was, how he suggested if she didn't like the meds, she could look into other types of medication and other options.
Hollyhock's farewell: the same as when her mom was found, through a letter. It may be a very deep read, but it shows how the show carried this lifeline between Hollyhock and Bojack. she was the last relative he had, the last connection to the Horseman family, and like Dr. Champ drunkenly blurted out: the last reminder of the person he hated most (himself) . once she was gone, he had nothing left and fell apart, opening the avenue for complete destruction or hope for rising from his current state.
PC and Judah: having that wonderful character was key to lots of PC's progress as a career woman. While I was rooting for Ralph to return, i think this is more fitting. She was good at work, great even, but she always wanted a piece of her own happiness. Ralph offered it in triplicate, with wealth, power and luxury, but it didn't seem to be what PC needed. Judah offered her love and care, as well as a respect and understanding of her desire to excel in her field, even to the point of doing things like turning down the offer with merging with a big company (PC's old job) in the belief that she was capable of moving forward with the struggles and come out stronger. its a balance of people, one with energy and drive, and the other with the calm collective mindset to help organize and execute those dreams. A powerful match indeed :D
Bojack / PB's foible ending: as the series came to a close, I remember how my brother compared the two before saying they were a lot a like (famous for a 90s show, both have unstable relationship with women, and both ignorant of their own shortcomings). I looked for their contrasts and how their paths led, and to be honest there was a pretty fitting conclusion. Both PB and Bojack suffered backlash this season ( Bojack having it all explode on his face, and PB losing pickles, sad dog) clearly two different situations but both centered on their interactions with women. at the end of the series, they're both single: one working with a doctor (psychiatrist / psychologist likely ) to better himself, and the other in prison (serving a sentence for a B &E but also bettering himself).
Todd and his mom: Maude gave Todd a stable intimate relationship with her, something that he missed a lot from the fractured relationship with his mom. I think it caused some discomfort with Todd being with women in general ( except PC as they were very functional together in a professional sense), so his attempted rekindling with Emily didn't work and how it ended with Yolanda as well. He did reconcile with her, and had some insight that people are different and that's ok, as they will try to be better if given the chance. Hooray :D
The ending: perfect for the show. It did not resolve Bojack as he is always gonna be struggling, it's part of life to struggle but it showed that there's hope for it ( eating the honeydew and liking it.... blew my mind). the last episode is an Easter egg all together, as the first and last scene of the episode are both Bojack And Diane on the starry nigh with and without the heartbeat. While it's nice to see the ending, I can't help but wonder... What if this is Bojack's afterlife and he truly died ? I know it's not, but much of the start of the show makes a mock zoom to him being dead (then not). Just an interesting thought
Nautical Soap Nicely worded
Joh
i experienced what i have never experienced in my life. Watched the 15th episode. Cried like ive never cried in my life for 30 minutes straight. This is the best television can offer. It was like they showed what a k hole feels like. Just adding life and death. The meaning you discover along the way. The things you never say. The fear and the pain. And the love. It was so powerful i cried for an hour after that but i was happy crying because i felt so blessed to have experienced this wonderful creation. And the ending was perfect for me. What a great and rewarding journey this has been.
I loved the ending, a bit sad we didn't get to see more of certain characters but I know why so it's really a nit pick. I just love that he had to face consequences both legal and the fact that he lost some friends. A lesser show would have just redeemed him but the writers decided to give us nuance and I'm greateful for it. What a show!
Yeah, and it also shows how life kinda just moves on. In real life, no one would care about Bojack. There would be tabloids and the scandal would be everywhere, but ultimately it will blow over. And those people just have to live their lives. Bojack lost his friends. They care about him in a general sense, but they don't want anything to do with him. They can't be involved with him anymore. Bojack isn't a good person, but he's trying. However, that's him, he has to try and go through it himself.
I almost broke down during the dinner party scene I really thought bojack was dead then I was happy but angry he wasn’t i mean I didn’t want him to die but I was angry cause the writers made me think he was. Props to them
I cried!! my heart felt so broken watching that. Just amazing writing.
I was fully expecting him to be dead and the last episode to be about the impact of his life on the other charactersbut that might have redeemed him in a cheap way because no one wants to speak ill of the dead whereas the prison time was another lesson he needed to truly better himself and it gave him time to grow and rethink his path and gave us those scenes with the last moments with his friends at PC's wedding. The whole thing with drowning had been going on through the whole series and maybe this time it was a symbol of rebirth for him.
The last episodes were so we'll written and gripping.
@@LikelyLost Same. I genuinely thought he was dead. The beep that replaced the ending song was so long and it was painful to listen to it.
I feel that the writers wouldve ended with his death, but they were swayed at least a tiny bit about the message and what it would do to the minds of those of us who love this series
@@seannanana84 Funny, i had a theory a couple seasons ago. Everyone on a forum i was on were unanimous that the series could only end in his death. I thought at the time that the show would see Bojack die, but that we would get another season afterwards. When I found out that season 6 would be split, I thought for sure that i was right lol
remember when everyone said diane would die?
The part with Todd and Bojack on the beach was really good. One of the steps in recovery from addiction IS relapse. Most addicts DO relapse. An average of 7 times, in fact. Just the fact that Bojack acknowledges his problem and wants to fix that is monumental in the recovery process. If you relapse, it's okay, as long as you're really honestly trying to recover.
honeslty, Secretariat's poem made me think of an old friend of mine that sadly committed suicide a year ago.
it made me think again about him, a year ago i used to think about what he could have felt while he was going to the place where he took his life, but right now i'm thinking of the last seconds of his life. It really was a gut wrenching moment to me, and it will always be a moment of television i will cherish forever
The amount of things that I felt through this show is indescribable, I felt a wide range of emotions from excitement, to sadness, to fear, it isn’t a show that made me feel only one way. I’m 18 years old currently, and I just turned 17 when I began watching the show, and I thought the show was going to be one of those stupidly hilarious comedies like South Park or Family Guy, but instead I was taught one of the hardest life lessons that I had to swallow. The show taught me many things such as the implications of bad decisions, the destructive nature of obsession with past events, and how fame doesn’t mean fortune in ones life. My favorite episode is Season 2 Episode 11, not because I enjoyed the episode but it made me feel a sense of hopelessness when it comes to the feeble nature of my mind at the time, I was 17 when I first watched that episode, around the same age as Penny. Season 6 Episode 15 is a close second because it portrayed my fears of death so accurately, and the poem “View of the Halfway Down” was one of the most chilling poems that I’ve ever heard. The show made me turn to self improvement, and it taught me the values of improving oneself and also the struggle that comes with that. I am trying to be the best person I can be, even though lately that hasn’t been really working, but I know things will get better in the future even though it isn’t working at the current moment. This show means so much to me, it’s going to leave a permanent stain on my mind for the rest of my life.
What is it you don't like about South Park?
I agreed with everything you said, but South Park isn't stupid
You literally took the words off my mouth. Still, something good to add would be how it feels to start to change late in your life. The show really benefits from having their cast be at different points in their life and how they go from there; after all, their paths started long before the series started and will end after it ends. Right now I'm about to turn 24; started watching this when it premiered at 18. Hope to find a way into an animation school, but right now all I want is to get my degree in Communications and keep drawing and learn how to animate myself. It's about improving, learning who you are, who you like to be and how could you become that person while accepting the limitations within you.The episodes I can recommend are "Hank After Dark" which pretty much starts the in-depth look into power imbalances within gender and Hollywoo and "BoJack Kills" which is a good road trip episode until it's not and drifts into a psychological drama with hamsters.
Yellow_Jacket my heart was pounding when I thought BoJack was dead in Season 6 Episode 15.
Sorry for calling South Park stupid, I kind of meant it in jest, not a attack at all, I changed it now to make it more clear
Me after seeing Ep. 15: *sadness*
After Ep. 16: They had us in the first half, ngl
I've cried so much in episode 15. I REALLY thought that bojack was dead. Also, it was soooooo hard to see bojack using alcohol and drugs again. It felt like a parent of mine doing this shit :(
Agree! Seeing his silhouette face down in the pool had me sobbing like a baby!
Its even worse when a parent of yours HAS relapsed like that. I found myself literally yelling at the TV for Bojack not to drink that beer.
@@edennn10367 It was hard for him to resist after all his hopes were destroyed.
Show has made me cry so many times lol
I feel the same. That's how I lost my mom. She relapsed and accidentally ODed
After re-watching The View from Halfway Down, I realised that BoJack's last meal also had a bottle of water, which he complained after taking a sip that it tasted like chlorine, already hinting the viewer that it's chlorine pool water where he was currently drowning...
Didn't bojack has to sell his house because xerox sues him for 100 million dollars? I thought the twist was that you can get away with murder but don't upset a big company
If you're a billionare I think it was, I dont think Bojack was a billionare.
The end of bojack horseman left him so so alone. Its so sad, really. He loses hollyhock, doesn't make amends with penny, diane moves, todd becomes independant, princess carolyn gets married, and mr peanutbutter continues to be preoccupied with shinanigans. Everyone's lives move on without him and he becomes isolated.
Once he gets out of prison, what will he do? He has no home, no more supporters, and no job. Remember, he was only a professer in college because of hollyhock... The unicorn gig was something he probably was never going to take seriously. Hes truely, alone.
Undeadroars but u know Mr Peanut butter would do anything for Bojack. PB views him as an awesome guy and they have so much in common
He finally realizes that if he really wants to grow as a person, he has to do it himself. And that his friends have no obligation to stay in his life and make him feel better. They are their own persons. They have their own lives. And they are responsible for their own happiness, even if it means not having bojack in their lives anymore. And I think at the end, bojack realizes all of this too. He's truly alone, and that's sad for him, sure but he can't demand for them to stay in his life. He has no power over anyone anymore. He has to start confronting life by himself, just like the rest of us. Life's a bitch but sometimes you have to keep living.
Then he truly is “Reborn”. Alone, But a fresh freaking start
From scratch.
@@shahinzaghrat7957 and it's refreshing! it's refreshing to have that kind of message! That your life could implode so badly BUT it's okay. youre gonna start from scratch. life will never be the same but it's gonna be okay. at least, if you decide to be. no one else gets to make that decision for us.
When he gets out of prison, he will have some money from the unicorn, Mr Pb will be there and Todd didn't leave him for good, nor did PC. They are not 100% there for him, but I'm sure that if Bojack needs something (like when Bojack needed to find the house of that girl from rehab) they would help him.
I was 15 when the first season came out. I turn 21 at the end of the month. This show has essentially been my teens and early twenties, it's helped me with my writing for film. There's so much I love about this show that I can't put everything into words. I'm happy and sad that the show ended but it was still a great and fitting ending for this masterpiece of a series.
@Bleh Bleh Thanks!
When Sarah Lynn sung her "don't stop dancing song" The songs lyrics are supposed to say "don't stop dancing, don't stop dancing, till the curtains fall." But Sarah didn't say the "till the curtains fall" Part. Instead she fell into the darkness. She is gone forever. I like the idea that that's what happens when you die. Seeing all of the people you see in your life, make up with them, then die.
Thekiller2013lol and that’s TERRIFYING
Took me a while to watch season 6 cause, like how Bojack felt with hollyhock's letter, if i didn't watch it the show's not over. Now that I've finished the show I'm so thankful. This show showed me so much.
Great video and I can't wait for the breakdown on the sugarman summer house episode, also my favorite episode!
I loved mr peanutbutters speech in the last episode, i felt like it was almost the creators of the show talking to us and saying goodbye. He says something like “lets say goodbye to the era of hollywoo”
Bojack Horseman is over, and everything might just be okay.
Thank you very much for this comment.
Nice while it lasted
Bojack horseman is over and everything is worse now
@@ShahabAhmad1398
Be glad it's not a zombiefied corpse like The Simpsons or Family Guy or Spongebob
@@Johnlindsey289 I'm so glad. So many good things are destroyed before they are ended. Give series an appropriate ending. Apparently the creator wanted to continue the show, but 6 seasons seems like enough for any show.
It was brief and you may have missed it , but Wanda was mentioned too. She got a 2nd coma. It was on the magazine of the kid who found bojack bojeebies kid.
That’s horrible
*She woke up from a 2nd coma
@@joemcalister7105 then they shot her....
I just realized that Diane got married OuO, for a second when I saw the show, I thought they had broken up her and guy. This makes me SO happy
I'm so, so happy Judah and PC finally got together. There were hints throughout the season that he did things for her not only because that was his job but also because he genuinely cared about her. I cried literal tears of joy when he confessed his love.
BoJack Horseman is really one of the best animated shows in the decade.
Netflix should win a price for this masterpiece of animation.
It has everything you need to know for live.
#BojackHorseman
Disney coming to catch this horse
Netflix shouldn't have canceled it
@@jaredmarshall9439 Wait... Netflix CANCELLED IT!!!!!!!!!
Jared Marshall ,I know what you mean but there's a sentence from a writer we can all think about:
"If you don't get cancelled as a great show, you keep going long enough to be a bad show".
@@zockerjhd9393 Yeah... I'm glad the show ended on a good note instead of just dragging on forever, even if the creators expressed the desire to continue for a few more seasons. The way they decided to cancel one of their most highly acclaimed shows soon after the creators became unionized was a bit weird, though.
Oh I’ve definitely brought up scenes from Bojack in therapy 😅
My favorite scenes were
1. Diane’s writing process scenes. Those thoughts of self-doubt and the ideas about trauma hit a little too hard at times, but were portrayed so accurately
2. The ending scenes were really heartfelt and a little sad, but gave great closure
3. The dinner ep was fantastically written and gave me goosebumps
I loved this analysis and gave insight in some beautiful moments like the Todd moment at the end!! Couldn’t wait for this!
Some of my highlights this season include:
- Todd's boundless kindness and his beautiful, thoughtful, subtle gesture towards BoJack at the end ("Oh, you just seemed really overwhelmed at the party. I thought you could use some air."); the conversation at the beach, the Hokey Pokey.
- "Life's a bitch and then you die, right?"
"Sometimes. Sometimes life's a bitch and then you keep living."
(Gotta be my favourite line this season...)
- Mister Peanutbutter's growth, and his unwavering loyalty to his friends. He was the one who came to pick BoJack up from prison. He was there for him, unconditionally. Despite how BoJack had treated him over the years. None of what happened diminished his opinion of BoJack.
- Mister and Diane's phone conversation. Beautiful growth on both parts, beautiful how their relationship matured.
- Everything about ep. 15..... (that was a harrowing experience...) Secretariat's performance especially stuck with me...
- The portrayal of Diane on antidepresants, and generally of her state of mind (ep. Good Damage). That was so well done...
- ....... literally everything else...???
...I also found it really sad how when BoJack was supposed to write all the bad things on the board, most of them seemed like pretty minor things (compared to the overall picture) - or at least he didn't include many of the seriously big things (what he did to Todd, Diane and PC, Gina, Sarah Lynn...)... He was making excuses, again, trying to pass off as better than he was, _again..._ That made me so disappointed. I'm glad he ended up making the right choice.
I was just incredibly low when I first watched the show. I was sad and had given up on living. The show just made me feel seen and that gave me a lot of comfort to keep going.
“I’m also kind of sad and empty feeling.”
Me the past five days. ☹️
gylisnotcool I scrolled to this comment exactly when he said this 😳
One thing I noticed in Season 6 Episode 15 was that the chair that BoJack was sitting in was reminiscent of a coffin
I noticed that on rewatch. Other things I noticed on rewatch with that episode was that they were all eating the last thing they ate before death, and that the water Bojack drinks tasted like chlorine.
Jenifer Joseph The creator came out and confirmed that Bojack is not dead
It's honestly amazing how BoJack as well as many other characters are written as flawed even straight up toxic but they're still likeable and relatable... I mean, when I relate PC or Diane it's not about seeing yourself as this glamorised character but more about recognising my destructive patterns
This show managed to add one last favorite character in Bojack Horseman to my list: Crackerjack.
I just can’t with the way he was smiling the whole time in the 15th episode and just everything was PERFECT about him! I can’t believe this show fulfilled one of my most unexpected dreams: seeing Crackerjack and Bojack together. Like really... I couldn’t stop smiling. This was a gift.
I also like how the show tells us its view on suicide. What Bojack says to Diane in the end is something so standard and edgy “Well, life’s a bitch and then you die.” But Diane turns it into something refreshing to hear:
“Or life’s a bitch and then you just keep living.”
My god, thank you for THAT Diane! Because I believe that’s how people need to think, death is an option but not a solution. It’s also pretty scary how Bojack was about to jump into the abyss. He had peace with it, but when Herb says “Oh BJ, there is no other side” he decided to keep on living. If I would’ve been there, I would’ve jumped with them, because it just felt like the right thing to do through the entire episode. (Plus, I theorized the show ending with a dead Bojack, was kinda sad when that didn’t came out).
Yet, the show surprised me. This son of a bitch show surprised me until the very end.
This is why I dont like to watch shows anymore
I just feel kinda empty after I finish that REALLY good one
You are just left with a feeling of wanting more
It really was good while it lasted
I started watching this show just because I knew there was asexual character. The representation made me incredibly happy, but I fell in love with the whole show. I cried throughout The View from Halfway Down, and when BoJacks' heart started beating again, I cried even harder. I really thought for a second that this is it. You summed it up best, for me this show is about all the things that makes us 'us', and about accepting and making piece with this fact.
Same, I always had so many prejudices against the show because it looked like an ordinary comedy show to me and I usually don't find them funny. But when I found out about Todd's asexuality storyline I thought that maybe this show might be different. I got myself a Netflix account just for BoJack Horseman and I regret nothing
Thats a bit shallow, but Im glad you liked it.
@@fecomate2542 What do you mean? Why is that shallow?
@@terezafrankova8724 to watch a show because a certain group is represented.
@@fecomate2542 I didn't know I need deep reasons while I'm going through Netflix to pick a show to watch. Besides: wanting to see something that's a big part of my life, something not many people talk about, something I struggled with - wanting to see that in a tv show and see how they handle it... is that really shallow?
I’m gonna miss this show. I’ve never related to anyone as much as I have to this show, and I’m terrified of trying to find real people to relate to...
You got this, and I can relate more than you can believe so you're not alone, seems like there are a lot of us
Diane saying she was afraid to let go of her damage because if she did it would have all been for nothing hit me so hard.
My big take away from 6B was how we tend to define ourselves by our past trauma. And that trying to give the pain meaning prevents us from not only being able to move past it, but also keeps us from being who we want to be
I love how they kept the door open enough where they conceivably could make a season 7 one day. No twin brothers, clones, or robots necessary
There must be a network that loves reviving shows that got canceled too soon (but a few too many years too late)...
Noooo... they would do what they did to Community/Arrested Development
@@hopedwyer7947 i think that it would depend on how long before they decide to do it. Also what the reason for coming back was. With Arrested Development, I feel like some corporate fuckhead thought that more money could be made. Plus I dont believe the creator, hadnt had any big success after the show. I will be very interested in Raphael Bob Waksberg's next project. Unless its on a platform that I dont have (and dont plan on getting) l Iike, what is his other show called? Undone?
Mike Bond undone is so good! i had no idea they were created by the same person. it’s on amazon prime.
This show has taught me multiple things
But my number one season has to be season 4 where he let everything go
It is not healthy to dwell on your past like Eddie did or bojack your in your own bubble as life goes on
I even have my own quote for growth
"Being scared prevents growth its okay to feel that way but there is a huge difference between being scared and wallowing in fear"
As much as i love bojack horseman its nice to see it have this messy ending cause its how life is
And for anyone reading i want you to know that you can do anything you wanna do u will go through scars and go through battles you won't wanna go through but when you do it not only does it make u grow as a person but it'll make u feel free and good inside
This has been kdoesthings commenting on this video one final time love u Johnny 2 Cellos see u around for the ride
Thanks
@@secreri no problem
if i may ask for what?
@@kdoesthings2548 for the encouraging words!
Bojack doesnt have anyone left to pick up the pieces for him. In a really meta way, he doesnt even have an audience to appease, now that the show is over. His life is his responsibility, and now he can realize that without obsessing over what an audience expects of him.
As an alcoholic currently in my fourth year of sobriety, this show has been profoundly cathartic. Seeing so many aspects my own addiction, struggles with depression, and the need to be constantly chasing some level of fulfillment only to find it fleeting. Having it portrayed through the medium of silly anthropomorphic animation has also made it all the more palatable in the most delightful way.