Marin Alpine Trail Carbon 2 | Ridden, Rider's Review after first week of Mountain Biking in Alberta
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ธ.ค. 2020
- We were lucky enough to get this bike early... then the weather cleared, enough snow melted so I could escape for a weeks worth of smashing on this bike.
The New Marin Alpine Trail Carbon 2 is a great All-mountain/Enduro full suspension mountain bike with 150mm rear suspension and 160mm travel fork.
I ride the bike, talk about fit, geometry, componentry, suspension performance and even talk about a couple technical glitches I had.
This $5499 bike is phenomenal value!
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awesome review, got mine 2 weeks ago after watching this, freaking amazing bike!!! thank you soo much for the great review. Cheers from Ecuador!!
So stoked you got one. We have 5 staff members on different versions of Alpine Trails so we're huge fans. Glad to hear you agree!
Great video! this has made my decision easier on purchasing the alpine XR. thanks for the in depth review!
I got mine all set up.. first thing I noticed it’s super stiff compared to the previous aluminium model. The Fox suspension and SLX brakes are mint. Same with the tires. Thanks bike bros! Cheers 🤘🏼💯
Awesome! Enjoy.
As soon as I saw the announcement for this bike I started plotting to sell my current bike and see how soon I can get one of these
Haha, a bunch of us at the shop did the same
I ride a Rift Zone now,and I am upgrading to this bike. It seems like a great bang for the buck. Also, it's super cool that you have a bike shop in Cochrane!
finally someone with an indepth walkthrough of this bike. thanks!
Thanks! We were extremely lucky to get one before the bike launched!
Hi. I'm 6'1" with pretty long legs and I see that you are riding the size L which is what I'm thinking of buying too. The seat tube is short at 42.5 and I have the Bike Yoke 160mm dropper. Do you think it will fit this bike? What I worry is that if I set the dropper too far out I might no java enough minimum insertion length below.
@@kevinlei1969 I think you will fit the bike but like me, you might be pushing the limits of a 150/160mm dropper. My plan is to install a 210mm dropper, both because there is easily the room for it and to get more post insertion.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop What is the max frame insertion length for L size?
I sold my Nukeproof mega275 tr a few weeks ago. Ordered the Alpine trail XR. Can't wait to make the first ride. But I have to wait a few months for delivery.
I agree, I don t trust those rims anymore, I'm an intermediate rider and I'm 180lbs and I broke my rear rim, after 3 months of use.
I'm not sure if Marin offers warranty but an upgrade is a rim/wheel upgrade is a must.
I have the Marin Alpine Trail XR and the bike is a monster.
im 5'10, currently on a 2019 Norco Sight A1 L, Norco M felt small for me, yet this seems to be similar in geo in the M size to my L Norco, would it be safe to go M size? only thing I don't like about the Norco is the seat height to too high, so when try to go fast I can't get in the bike enough, yet when climbing its too high and can't set it low enough
Just got the marin alpine trail carbon 2 ot is a dream mate I love it
Awesome! Congrats
Bike looks absolutely awesome!
What do you think about possibly doing a coil on the back, much like the XR version?
I think it would work. The suspension kinetics are the same on alloy and carbon and they obviously designed around coil or air compatibility. I know the Marin product manager did a lot of testing on the coil version so they definitely designed around that.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop as you said, with the price, you could almost buy a coil and set it up for bike park days, then use the DPX2 and set it up for some more playful trail days. Just swap between the two.
Great review! Was wondering what size do you suggest for a 5'7? Do you think M will be better?
You're at a height that you could go either way. Size small will be a bit more maneuverable in tight twisty trails, medium a bit more stable on higher speed stuff.
This is a few months old but I sat on one today. It was a medium. I’m just under 6ft and currently ride a 2019 Stumpjumper and really like the smaller feel. I think I’d be ok on medium
Yup, these days it seems sizing is much more fluid depending on your riding style and terrain. You could fine tune fit a bit by sliding the seat back on the rails or changing bar and stem too.
Good day Bike Bros, Mark here from Saskatoon,SK been watching your videos on Marin bikes since I’m getting one through my local shop. Ill be getting a rift zone 2, could have gotten the 3 but didn’t like the non Shimano hubs and out of budget too. Question though, would you upgrade the stock rims to we are one carbon and keep the Shimano HB400 series hubs? Im on the budget so would that make sense? Or just save for the whole wheelset since carbon rim plus sapim? Spokes will cost something too?
I would personally do complete WeAreOne wheels because you get I9 hubs - that combination makes for a set of wheels you could own for many years and move from bike to bike if you ever switch bikes.
Bike Bros thanks!!! Just bikes stuff get so expensive nowadays.. and got my wife into the sport so got to buy 2 of a kind every time.. got her a hawk hill in XS for shes 4’11
So ended up buying 2 entry level FS bikes than one High end bike. Happy though to spend quality time with family.
Its a very interesting bike for Marin. Nice job on the drop on prospector mid way through, I've never figured that one out, I"ve seen guys come off nose heavy and bottom out, rear heavy and squirrly, you went right in like a boss! I'm in the middle of trying to figure out what to replace my 2019 Slash with, this bike in the XR guise is up there! Marin rims seem like a concern, with a double down casing and high psi you still dented it, interesting!
Thanks. Me and another shop guy were the first 2 guys to hit that drop - Blue was leading us through the trail when it was still a bit of a secret and he hadn't done it yet.. so had many years to figure it out. On the wheels, I think I must have hit something really weird. They aren't great but we've seen a number of people on those wheels without incident. I personally like where they put the money into the bike, leaving me able to put truly high end wheels on and still spend less than bikes with similar spec and only mid-range wheels.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Wow Blue himself showed you that! very cool! and the first to hit it, wowwowoow! Prospector is one of my favorite trails as well, some nice upgrades this year, I enjoy that 2 little drops on the climb midway up now, fun stuff!! I'll have to figure that drop out someday, having a long\slack bike with a big fork sure won't hurt it! I hear you on the wheels, it can just be total chance to get a ding in it like that, I put a stick through the top and side of my tire on Cox this year, the big bikes do encourage you to charge extra hard and take lines you would not normally! Lifetime warranty weareone wheels are hard to beat! Really good spec on the Marin bikes, its nice they took some chances on a really aggresive geo bike at a great price point to get some brand excitement!
@@Kingsoupturbo Around the time Blue was building Prospector he was also working just North of Cochrane a bunch. I had been working on trails in Crowsnest Pass at the time so he'd always drop by to talk about trail building stuff (a little bit of a bromance at the time). For the history books: first drop (Michael who used to work at the shop) did it on a prototype Marin XC race bike (that never made it past prototype stages) on a night ride with Blue I think the day after Blue first showed us the trail. then it snowed and Blue filmed me hitting it the next day with a couple inches of snow on the ground. Pretty sure I was on a Marin Attack Trail... Blue was an awesome guy. It still breaks my heart thinking of how unfair life was to him and his family.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Thats really cool! I didnt know much about Blue, just a few rumors, at least a fine legacy to leave behind, especially this year when thousands of people have ridden it and seen the signs. Crowsnest is another super Gem, its a shame its so far, but what trails!!! Thats so cool you guys had first crack at it back when it was completed, how exciting!!! I"ll have to stop by the shop sometime and you can tell me more of the story in person! I should email you on when Marin is looking to ship the Apline Trails too, very curious I am!
@@Kingsoupturbo yes, please, email the shop and we can keep you informed as we learn when more Alpine Trails will ship.
How is this compared to Canyon Spectral 29?
Just put deposit on April delivery of trail carbon 1 through Kamloops shop...since you’ve ridden both 1 and 2 please comment on suspension ride quality differences. Thanks! Great videos!
Hi Sorry but I haven't ridden both: only the C2. C1 is great and I'm sure you'll be happy with suspension performance.
C2 or xr i just dont know witch to buy
What’s the eye to eye and stroke length?
Is it possible 30 mm inner width rims be fitted? I saw the specifications and the bike comes with 29 inner width wheels.
Awesome bike!
Yes, room for wider rims and tires. I will upgrade to 2.6" tires on 30mm inner rims.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop That ‘ll be great! I am looking forward to seeing this upgrade!
Keep up the good work!
What do you think about the Stability and Agility of this bike? I´m between this one and the Commencal Meta
I absolutely love the balance of stability and agility on this bike. I haven't ridden a new Commencal but I think they're quite similar. the Commencal is maybe offering a bit more stability compared to the Alpine Trail being a bit more agile (if I remember the chainstay lengths correctly that the Commencal is a bit longer in the back).
And you seem to do a bit of climbing. What are your thoughts on climbing?
Climbs quite well.
Does the bike have a threaded bottom bracket? That’s the only thing that I can’t seem to find out about it. If it does have a threaded bb I believe this will be the most perfect bike I have ever been able to find and if it doesn’t, it’s still my favorite bike that I’ve seen
Yup, threaded bb
@@BikeBrosBikeShop do u have a large for sell?
Hi, i am in te market for stable enduro bike for chunky, techy terrain. Mainly intrested in bike around 160/170mm. But this bike drawn my attention due to value of the build. Do you have any chance comparing it to trek slash or something similar? And also as you were riding did the bike feel balanced? It has quite short chainstay how did it affect riding? Thanks in advice
I don't have any experience on a Trek. Other long travel bikes I've ridden are Giant Reign 29, Pivot Firebird 29, Rocky Mountain Slayer 29. Of those, its geometry felt closest to the Reign but for ride feel it reminded me more of the Slayer (which is a huge compliment). With lighter wheels and tires I think the bike could feel more like a Reign but I think the double down tires, overall weight is what reminded me of the Slayer. It is a case of the bike being a bit heavier with thicker tires actually being a good thing to calm the bike down when hitting rocky/rooty sections at speed. It pedals quite efficiently and has an incredible geometry.
I really appreciate your help. There is one more question on my mind. Did you feel like the rear wheel was not as stable and could more easily get knocked around because of shorter chainstays? Have you noticed any negative aspects of that geometry number?
@@loiczeq5551 I didn't feel any negative from the short rear end. I am a fan of short rear ends which means I always choose bikes with them so my opinion is biased because I haven't ridden any new bikes (like Specialized Enduro) with long rear end. I think there's obviously pluses and minuses either way.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop thanks for your feedback
Curious of the weight? I also work for a Marin dealer and rode the alpine trail 8 this last year and loved it! It was pretty beastly though, around 34/35 pounds for the XL, I ordered my C2 a couple months ago and it comes in a couple months!!
hahah posted this right before you talked weight in the video..
Also could you fit a 200 mm dropper in it? or do you feel that 175 will be plenty?
looks like you answered this later as well
Happy to answer anything else I might have missed. I think you will love it... seriously impressive bike.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop I got a factory 38 for it already (obviously for looks only) and I cant decide between the X2 and DHX2. Fox transfer 200, probably get some carbon bars and upgrade wheel set as well like you mentioned. I think it will be somewhat of a dream bike honestly! Any other thoughts on rear shock or upgrades you will do?
how versatile is the bike. I know it’s no xx bike but how does it fair on flats.
It climbs surprisingly well so flats should be fine
You mentioned the weight being 35lbs. Is that with pedals or without? Looks like this could easily be 32 with different tires, wheels, and tubeless. Killer spec for price. And STORE BOUGHT!?! Nobel Prize to Marin 2021
35.1 or 35.3 lbs with TMac pedals depending on the mood of our Feedback scale. With tubes. I agree. Geometry is so amazing and spec too.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Have you had a chance to ride that new Altitude? If so how would you compare the two?
I haven't ridden the new Altitude yet though one of the mechanics at the shop has. We compared feedback and it seems like there's a lot of cross-over. Altitude offers so much ability to fine tune performance with adjustable chainstay and geo ( which is awesome) combined with being the lighter bike. I really struggle to compare these two bikes... in spite of being 10mm different in travel numbers, they have geometries that make them behave differently so no true advantage. Huge adjustability vs simple and stretching the budget.
Do you have any info about the frame weight? Interested in both carbon and aluminum weight, with or without shock.
We have frames on order. Will only really know once we see them. I don't recall exactly but from weighing the Alpine Trail 7 and the Carbon 1 (same spec) I got about a 1/2 pound difference. From what I've heard the carbon bike was designed with strength and ride quality as first priority, not weight savings.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Alright, yeah i'm most likely going for the 7, since it's a good price with solid build that i can start upgrading to my liking later. Just seems it's close to impossible getting these bikes in EU atm.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop Did you end up getting the weight of the frame?
@@SlowDriverSean nope. We have only had a few in and Haven't had any stripped down to the frame
What do u think? As I'm 6'4 should go for 29r or 27,5? I would be riding similar terrain as u.
Thank u
probably 29
I would suggest 29er. For tall riders I don't think there is any reason to ride 27.5
I've been riding only 27.5 so far but I was afraid that I would loose the nimble (easy to maneuver) feeling when I switch to 29.
Probably when I jump on 29th I will forget about all my worries regarding new size 🙂
Now that bikes like this Alpine Trail have shorter chain stays than many 27.5, and many choices/models in both wheel sizes I don't think many of the old arguments against 29 really apply any more. Last year we had 2 staff members buy Alpine Trails - their first 29ers. They both commented they didn't notice any downside
Thank u so much guys for advice
Am I the only one who wishes it had two water bottle holders?
Is the alpine c1 heavier?
I think the c1 is a touch lighter than the c2 because the c2's Fox 38 adds some weight. 2 bottles would be great... but the ultra low stand over height is a worthwhile trade off
Is the rear triangle carbon too?
Rear triangle is alloy
Looking to get a xl in this bike soon
Great choice. I still find myself yearning for a lot more time on one of these.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop haha that’s not a bad thing. Never thought I would be a xl but the large felt a little cramped with me still growing. I can’t wait to get it.
Any idea of the weight in kilos of the size "L" ?
I think about 15.5 kg
@@BikeBrosBikeShop thanks !
What is "bio-pacing"?
I don't know if this is a common term, but it is a sensation you feel if you have too much antisquat in the suspension which causes a strange sensation that you feel when you're pedalling. The term comes from the feeling you got in the late '80s/early '90s when the first generation of oval chainrings came out. Some had very extreme oval shapes and felt strange to pedal - Shimano's version of the oval chainrings was called Biopace. It is less common on current suspension designs but it goes hand-in-hand with pedal-jack which means if you pedal really hard it actually jacks up your suspension to ride higher than the sag point in your rear shock.
So would you ditch the rift zone for this as an everyday trail/AM bike?
Depends, I rode a $1000cad GT Avalanche all stock hardtail everywhere since 2017, still could be faster on ups and downs compared to most of my mates on FS bikes,upgraded to a 2021 RiftZone 2 than the alpine trail because I want to feel the trail rather than be comfy. I don’t do much jumps though, more on adventure/ long distance trail riding. Enjoy whichever one you choose. Marin bikes are great
I will literally be doing just that. I have ( and am a huge fan of) a carbon Rift Zone but will be switching to the Alpine Trail. That said, I'm switching because of owning the shop and always wanting to switch bikes to be able to discuss their handling characteristics from personal experience. If it weren't for that I would probably stick with the Rift Zone as it is an incredibly capable bike (much more than people assume with its travel numbers). I did a video of it on the North Shore -it did awesome.
To add to my answer: there are some bigger drops I'd like to do which is where lesser travel becomes apparent. If it weren't for that the Rift Zone and Alpine Trail could pretty much either do really well on just about any trails
I ride the rift zone carbon 2 and like it a lot. It's a little downhill missile, perfect for my east coast Mid-Atlantic trails. The alpine trail looks like a lot of fun though.
@@codyw603 you got great taste in bikes!
Only If I had it
@bikebros do u have a large for sell
I think October or November may be when the next one is available.
Pls notified me
I got a ? Could you put 27.5 on this I just got my bike ?
You could but I wouldn't recommend it. It would result in a really low bottom bracket and would make you get a bunch of pedal strikes
@@BikeBrosBikeShop I’m assuming even 27.5 rear mullet bike would be the same result too?/thanks I’m use to xc bikes so I’m really excited to test this out a lot of people say it’s decent on climes
@@j-rod9933 yup, even mullet setup would drop the bb too much.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop how is it on climbing?
@@BikeBrosBikeShop can you do a new video of the alpine trail long term review and your upgrades ?
Im 6f2. Do i buy a large or xlarge?😁
I’d visit bike bros shop and measure you up, my local bike shop fitted me and compared my old bike to the new Marin reach numbers and gave ma a good tip on which size to choose.
@@markpalma8354 thx for the advice m8👌🏼
I would think you're an XL. Trying the bike would be helpful but these days with bikes being so scarce that may be difficult. I'm 6'1 and went large but that is (counterintuitively) because I have long legs. If I had short legs or more even proportions an XL may have been more appropriate (horizontal reach is primary concern)
@@BikeBrosBikeShopGreat in-depth review! I am 6 feet 2.5 inches, with a 6 foot reach and 3 foot inseam. What size would you suggest for me please? I am based in Australia, our retailer is online only. If I purchase I can send the bike back for a full refund if I am unhappy with the size, however of course I would prefer to get the size correct first up. Particularly with Covid stock levels, it may add a few additional months wait time to get a bike if I get the size incorrect first up! Thanks very much for your help.
@@timyeates6911 I'd definitely suggest XL.
Do you know the total weight on your setup?
Just over 35 lbs as is. DD/Exo+ Assegai tires and tubes.
Just got mine for $3,200 brand new
Still dont know how it rides....
Rides great ;) Better on the ups than expected for a bike with 63.5 degree head angle (due to the 78 degree seat angle). On the downs it is planted, and balances playfulness with stability well. The frame and fork are both very stiff which combined with the thick tire casing and grippy compound makes the bike somehow feel like you're going slower than you actually are.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop When you say it climbs better than expected - do you mean easy transport stretches back to the top for enduro downhills, or does it manage technical climbs well too? How does it climb rooty, punchy, rocky stuff? :)
your face is so dark
Sorry. I'm a bike guy... just learning camera stuff.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop I totally get it, I meant it constructively
I do appreciate it... it was taken as that and it is a good reminder for me to keep trying to improve.
Too much bla bla. 4min intro, com on...
Sorry. I'm a bike guy not a video guy. Judt trying to give some context.
@@BikeBrosBikeShop say no sorry to jerk. We all have fun watching your vid. Very informative. Thanks.