Thank you. Have been (trying to) jump for years but have always relied on speed and a 2 wheel hop. Watched hours of jumping videos and even got a coach once. Still couldn't get it down. Im not exaggerating when i say that after watching this video and practicing for 15-30min, I started clearing jumps I never had before, plus im way more stable in the air. Best jumping tutorial on youtube.
Great Video. "The Gronk" at Thunder Mtn Bike Park in Charlemont, MA has 38 tabletops to practice on. My only advice from training other sports, once you're getting very tired, quit practicing. When tired your technique will get sloppy and your body will record your form and bad form will become muscle memory to be overcome next time. Enjoy the easy flowy trails when your body says you're done learning for that day.
I agree with all the techniques you mention, and I want to drive home the most important thing you said... 14:40 is where it is at. You have to see yourself completing the landing mentally. Do however many roll- ins you need, but picture yourself in the spot you need to land. If you cannot, then it might be best to tackle that one another time.
Well in my 50's and learning to jump is more fun than I thought it is going to be but it hurts like hell.. seeing the young doing flybys as if not a big deal 😂.. Thanks for your advice David! Much appreciated 👍
As a 38 year old who have been mountainbiking "seriously" for three years it is always great to hear people 10-15 years older than me still sending it. This passion is for life ❤
On our last bike trip to italy, there was one 72 years old senior. Some trails he skipped but the rest he did 👌🏽❤ Hope to be fit like him when 30 years from now have past 😅
Agreed - thorough without being overly boring or long winded. I love that he covers the Concepts and basics first building up to the actual exercise/jump!
Great video. I apreciate the mention of the anti row and moment of letting go. A friend of mine who was competing in dirt jump competitions described the moment when you leave the lip of a jump like this. the bike and your body momentarily become separate masses of weight flying through the air which make a total sense when you think of moves like a superman. Its essentially its more important to know where your body is positioned in the air and move the weight of the bike under neath your to guide it to its desired landing spot. Also in my personal experience I have found it incredibly helpfull to Incorporate smalll wips and playfulness early on in the process of learning to jump as it really helps to combat the standing up and stiffening up problem. Standing up to the jump and Playfulness have been the jumping game changers for me Sorry but couldn’t think of anything to roast you with Nice pony!
Looking at the videos. Guys knees are bent in the air. So stand up and press into jump then once in the air scoop pedals bend knees and get into attack position for landing ?
I think that’s an accurate assessment of what’s happening… but in practice it’s not exactly that. More like: press into the jump on the takeoff, get your torso trajectory going to where you need it to go, when in the air stop pressing downward with your legs and start using the combo of your legs, torso, and momentum to land the bike properly.the bike’s momentum will want to help it come up with your body. Allowing the legs to bend allows the bike to come up. Resisting the legs bending pushes the bike away from you. If you jump as high as you can right now on your feet from a standing position, your legs will naturally bend some as you land. If you force your legs straight you might hyperextend your knee. If you force yourself into a squat position mid-air you’ll land and have a hard time resisting the falling weight. Instead, use a slight bend to help absorb any impact. The same goes for the landing impact on a bike. Too much crouch and you won’t resist the impact and collapse into your bike, no bend and you’ll have a harsher impact (luckily people have suspension and are often landing on a down-slope). Staying relatively loose in the air is important. If your torso is going to the right place but the bike is a little misaligned, loose-ish arms and legs can help you bring the bike to where it needs to be. Stiff arms and legs won’t be able to guide that bike to where it needs to go. Press into the jump, in the air let the legs bend and allow the bike into you (maybe even scoop a little as Steve Stevenson says in the video), get your torso and bike oriented to the right angle, land and get ready for that next corner IT’S SO CLOSE!!!!
Suuuper helpful dude. Thanks. I can hit tables, but the gap trips me put because of the damage it could cause if I don't clear it. Will use your techniques. 🤙
Excellent tutorial! Physical philosophies (Use leggs, not arms. Stand tall just as you would on yrampoline under max load.) is much more helpful than giving us 10 body mechanics to execute in sequence in final 1.5 seconds of approach. Thanks for asking for feedback. "Hang off the handlebars" and "Scoop your feet" are not self explanatory. I ride a lot, and I watch a lot of tutorials, but I still can't figure out what you mean by either of those. Toes up (to keep weight back)? As far as I can tell, your instructions for rolling spring-ups and then the rolling, front tire raise are the same. I assume one must spring a little bit to the back for only front tire to pop up. This tutorial was excellent so I'll go to video linked at 9:45ish. Lastly, subtitles over a visually busy background are difficult at best. I couldn't figure out WHY (at 11:50) you were instructing us to "Note: don't have the exact progression...". Eventually, I noticed there was an "I" perfectly hidden over a white pole. I can hardly fault you on that. Even the biggest broadcasters in the world suck at subtitles (white, English subtitles superimposed over a guy wearing a white shirt & speaking in foreign language😡; half subtitles hidden under TV station's logo, etc.). Ok, I lied, one more. That's some good looking font, but it's hard to read. Even if it were white letters over a solid-black background, it'd still be hard to read.
Fair feedback! Hang off the handlebars- go to a railing. Any handrail. Stand up with knees slightly bent and lean back gently while holding the handrail with your arms allowed to extend. Scoop your feet- that’s as simple as jumping and kicking yourself in the butt midair. These are things some people never are taught so most folks it might not make sense.
Great video but this "standing up to the jump" thing isn't always the same as we can see in the jump footage from 19:59 it seems like the rider is "squashing" it a bit. There is take off lenght vs take off height vs take off curvature and when you factor all these in it's obvious that different strategies need to applied when jumping. I feel like there are three main scenarios: 1 - the fast rolling, long and smooth take off where you just hold the line and your position on the bike and you just flow through the air with a similar landing catching you easily (jumps like smooth tabletops) 2 - the fast rolling short take off where you kind of let the bike come into you like absorbing or squashing it (knees and elbows slightly bent) similat to 19:59 3 - the slower rolling shorter take off tabletops where you press into the jump and kind of lean off the bars just a you were explainig in the clip Just trying to understand the different types of jumps and jumping tehniques because I suck at doubling even tabletops. My biggest fear is getting bucked and tanding on my face as I've had a few lucky nose landings. Anyone care to elaborate or give some simple advice? Nothing bears practice tho.
Does the size of the bike matter relative to the body size. I'm 5.7 on M trek fuel ex8. It's %100 my correct size. But I find myself alway closer to the front.
Under 5’8” wheel size becomes a consideration. For sure. You will have more stability and raw leverage, all else equal, compared to a taller rider. That said, 95 percent of the time the MAIN restriction to reaching your skill potential has far more to do with Core strength Core mobility (trunk and hip articulation with intention) Leg and hip raw strength Total body coordination and mobility In that order. Not having these will make achieving your skills impossible. Your bike sizing and fit can make it easier or harder, but not possible or or impossible. Just my 2c That said, you can try a shorter stack height and shorter stem! Have you tried that?
How about a video on soaking up a jump, (please) there is this one jump that if you hit it at trail speed you will way over jump it but it kills the end of the run if you slow down enough to not over do it.????
You said, front wheel down first which makes complete sense. I've crashed too many times to remember when landing rear wheel and my body is leaning to one side. That being said, there is a gap jump from a turning left hand shark fin into another left hand elevated burm, then immediately into a right hand berm. I have such a hard time clearing it. Last time I pulled and sent it I had a hard crash. I over rotated left and corkscrewed in the air and hit the right back side of my helmet. On a side note, from that crash I'm a believer in MIPS! My question is: when jumping sloping turns is the body supposed to be at the same angle as the slope or more upright? Maybe for another episode?
Super detailed/good question I’d have to see it to really offer detailed insight of course but the principle of putting your torso on trajectory during takeoff is 3x more important because you have to both land and change direction at the same time. So it’s complicated Watch Brandon semenuk raw v1 on TH-cam about halfway through he hips left and over turns it midair Then go back and watch the torso He simply puts it where it needs to go then moves the bike around himself. What you’re talking about is quite advanced stuff lol
Best piece of advice I've taken from this is to start slow on a table top - forget about clearing the table top and focus on the movement\control. DO NOT just speed up to clear it. Yeah sure, speeding up will probably mean you clear it but you've learnt nothing. Plus when you do get it wrong the consequences are worse. So forget about your ego, slow it down and get the movement right.
Excellent video with great insights into the mechanics. I have just one little nitpick - i dont really agree with achieving the front first landing via scooping the legs - this leaves torso in the wrong (too much upward, hands straight) position - you need to lead the bike with your chest (and legs should not actively be bent, just relaxed to allow bike bend them a bit when it goes towards a body). Actually in most of the demo jumps the legs are not bent actively and chest position is fine - it is just this single drill/step thats sounds wrong. I get that it may be useful to get used to the feeling of landing front first via this bad habbit of bending legs - but it may actually do more harm than good as if you automate this, it is difficult to get rid of. Active leg bending is justifiable only just before lending in case you need to get an extra feet of flight in emergency (casing big gap or so).
When assessing the speed to come at a jump, How do you find the balance between speed and compression strength? Im tending to find jumps can be ridden at a faster speed with less compression or almost no compression (the jump kind of sends you the right way), or slower with more bunny hop. is one of these 'better' in any way? Maybe for tricks/stunts you need more airtime, but for a race you want to minimize air time?
Very very good question - In general, you're totally right. Faster speed needs less "pop". Where you want to be careful is going all speed no pop- you can get compressed. Also, going way too slow and ultra-popping hard seems to only work for BMX riders who don't care and somehow know how to defy physics :)
I am a little confused though in the training regarding the front wheel at the 10:10 time stamp in the video. It looks like you are pulling up to pull the front wheel up. I thought you are to never pull with your arms when jumping.
How do you get those handlebars so high on the front wheel lift without pulling with your arms at all? No matter how much you push with your legs, how is only the front wheel jumping up som much all the way to your waist without any weight shift of your body or help from your hands? Is it just the fact that you stand up taller and the shoulders drag arms and handlebars up high?
@@mountainbikeacademy Yeah, and it feels like I have to 'jump' off the rear wheel at the lip. Almost like the rear wheel is an extension of your foot, you would just off the lip the same way.
Confused about the advice not to lift with your arms but at 10:07 and 10:10 in the video it really looks like you are pulling the front up with your hands no? Or am I seeing it wrong?
Great channel! I used your advice regarding cornering and it helped quite a bit. I did get a little too confident and lost the front wheel 😮 a few stitches in my forearm and I’m back. Can’t wait to practice the techniques you have outlined in this video.
It would be really interesting to hear your thoughts about how a rider can handle self doubt and fear. I practice pretty darn regularly, my basics are in a good place but sometimes my head feels like a brick wall that I struggle to break through. Even after doing the jump or feature that I'm afraid of, later the doubts and fears creep back in and it feels like I'm doing it for the first time all over again. I'm constantly subconsciously holding myself back and its a really tricky aspect of my riding to overcome.
does your bike size matter ? and if yes, how much? i am between sizes and i got a larger size, a M size Canyon Spectral. The bike feels a bit large but very stable and comfortable. If the bike is bigger i assume it affects your ability to move the center of mass towards the rear axle ? I started biking again after 30 and i want to be able to at least some jumps without breaking my body :). Thx in advance!
you say that we dont push or pull the handle bar, but as a demo 10:07 i see you pull the handle bar so clearly, do i miss sth? plz, it make me confuse :((
@@mountainbikeacademy i mean i dont know how to practice it the right way, can you make a video to explain it more clear? Many thanks, love all of your tutors!
@@mountainbikeacademy didnt hear Alexa thought it was a joke because of the boost from the force of weight that you take off to the sky "ding" and pointing the way. 😂😂😂
We shouldn't be yanking the bike up over jumps. I notice when I do, my ass end is out of control & flies to one side or the other. Which side the back of my bike goes depends on which pedal is back. If my left pedal is back when I yank up on the bike, then my back tire drifts to the right while it's airborne. If my right pedal is back when I yank bike up, then back tire drifts left.
Great breakdown, currently working on my jumps. Went full send on a table, overshot and landed nose heavy. rode it out, but scary AF. As with any other feature, confidence and commitment are key. If you ain't feeling it, keep practicing the smaller stuff.
same general concept...totally depends on landing IMO this is kind of a question you may want to ask a coach, friend/riding buddy while you are at the feature specifically! Hope that makes sense. But yes the concept of creating the trajectory you want = same
Thanks. Today I have cleared jump that was giving me issues before. Now it was easy followi your tips. Will try it slowly on other features as well ! Keep up the good content!
Ok, I need a better understanding. After watching countless videos for the last year where people say dont bunny hop the jump. Your saying to squat down and come up pulling the bars and scope your feet. So isn't that a hop? I'm just trying to figure out how to jump . My mind has done went haywire for the last year.
I think this advice will get you there, but I conceptualize it differently.......It makes more sense to me that you don't allow your fork to absorb the lip of the jump. If you weight down at the bottom of the transition and stand up straight as you ascend the jump, the suspension will extend as you approach the lip. This eliminates your rear wheel hooking the lip, sending you potentially over the bars. Pumptrack is the best way to learn timing on the transitions. Landing front wheel first might be equal or even more sketchy. Unless you're coming in level with the landing. I broke my collarbone landing front wheel first at the bottom of the landing. Lets just say forks aren't at their best landing front wheel first. I would have been better off on a rigid. Small jumps with good landings are fun to pop (BMX/DJ) but I'm still looking for the confidence to send gaps.
Really appreciate your approach and attention to details . The details of course have to be committed to muscle memory and feeling... if you have to think about it, then its too late. So here with the question. When you straighten up, do you push perpindicular to ground, or the ramp of the jump ? The reason i ask is because on steep ramps eg more than 45% that means you are pushing backwards..and that feels super unnatural ( ok terrifying is actually more precise in my case)
Thanks very much for the reply. Firstly 2010 , not my birth year, just some number given me by the Internet machine. I am some way older, way older . This explains why taking risks has to be balanced as well as bad technique minimised. For instance, you called it I often land tail first, especially when tired...just forget to scoop , bad technique. Regarding the angle of the jump and body position/ movement, reality difficult to define, just the steeper the slope the less need to hang back and bring the wheel up as the slope just sends you up, it does the work for you. Let's see, I will try the excersise and get the feeling. Once again thanks for your comments .
If anyone rides horses, def euro saddle, there's a lot of transferable skills in a gallop with jumps clearing brooks. I ride hardtail and it brings back memories of riding horses as a kid. I BMX for 20years and I jump with my arms. No sus clearing 25 foot stair gaps; it's all speed and arms. Landing back tyre first to half the impact of the drop, cos no sus. BMX street is death by front tyre first, but possible. The switch to MTB was a real headspin. The MTB sus vibe for me is pushing the triangle of my shoulders into the dirt, centred on the front wheel contact patch. STANDING UP MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER! Even if you enter into a jump crouched,and nosedive, standing up and stretching like a diver can get your weight over the back axle enough to stop going over the bars, and stomp a landing. The skills for first drop downhill and a bucking horse are very similar imo. Thanks for you breakdowns and this focus on techniques,it's super interesting 🤘🙇🤘
Scooping with your feet is important if you ride with flat pedals to keep the grip on the pedals, not sure if you mentioned that. landing no footed hurts your nuts.
Great explanation of the need to stand up. Will drills one and two work on a hard tail? In the demonstration, it looks like the shocks are causing the bike to lift.
@@mountainbikeacademy So in other words, try the same drills on my hardtail. My biggest problem with jumps is that I pull the bike up into me in the air. I don't really get kicked or anything like that but I may be overcompensating. I'm also of an age where if I'm going to jump, I want to make sure I'm doing it safely. Not looking for any big air but would be nice to not feel like I need to roll everything.
Why does everyone say landing back wheel first is so dangerous? Imo it's less dangerous because you can hit your brake and come back down even if your 90deg straight up. I'm convinced you can come back down from past 90deg w the momentum.
I explained my reasoning pretty thoroughly- Obv if you’re in control and aimed straight you can totally be fine landing gear first (aka back wheel first) But 100 percent the worst slams I’ve seen in person have been back tire first.
@mountainbikeacademy Yea don't get me wrong I think this vid was awesome and very well made and explained. I think however in a situation where it's a new rider trying to learn jumps and starting gaps, landing front first is pretty dangerous. You did say only by a fraction of a second but to a new rider that means str8 nose manual all the way down the lander. When in reality it's just getting to a point you can steer the bike again. Landing parallel is the goal but for new ridets rear first allows for a much larger window to land the jump and can eliminate some of the fear that comes w matching a steep lander until you feel confident to do it better. Contrary to what you said tho, I've never seen someome crash from landing too far back, but have witnessed plenty of otb crashes on jumps, getting bucked or trying to land too nose heavy and rolling straight over the bars down the lip. I'm not encouraging back wheel landing I'm just saying for new riders it's probably safer.
@@MatttKelly all fair points - and in theory you're spot on (plus I'd agree that more FREQUENTLY I see OTB than not, it's the ones that get someone concussed have been the back tire first) In practice when I teach beginners + actual coaching companies all kind of agree getting people to practice landing tires at the same time first without clearing a whole table is certainly a better progression. But yes I agree- if you could prevent beginners from nosing over that's ultimately a good outcome! Thanks for taking the time to write!
You talk too much in your garage 😂 Get out on the trails and show us! Dave, you need to be careful asking for roasters. The comment swamp is the real deal. Dont worry, it'll come haha.
This was a nice one: "the hands are along for the ride." Should be printed on a t-shirt... Well, I've been guilty of trying to land manual for the steez. It works sometimes 😅
Sounds daft but I jump like I’m actually running and jumping the jump except on a bike 👍🏼 think it comes from rollerblading back in the day……yeah I’m old 😂
Really good video, but I would say overly technical. Too many things to think about and consider. A follow on, more simple summary to these videos may be helpful.
Here’s how I learned. First learn to bunny hop (American, not English pogo hop). Then slow your rebound on your rear shock, and essentially do a slower bunny hop that starts at the entrance to the jump and ends at the lip. That puts you and the bike in the right body position and you don’t have to do much beyond that. Also, watch pros, film yourself, and get over your ego. Bad form is obvious when you watch it in slow mo video.
@@TheBigBloakHimself Haha, that really caught on. And no, that video didn't do much for me (but I did like his video on cornering). Simple, good advice about body position, but preload is half the battle.
I understand the concept because I do it but for people who don't jump properly... Maybe harder to get what he's talking about. Kids who rode bikes and jumped off curbs should be naturals
So much rattling bro, Torso+2Tire what does that even mean?😆 Just stand up to the jump and be done with it. Once you start landing jumps with two contact points, keep training on the same table, and try to start landing ever so slightly faster with front tyre and you achieve that by looking where you land.
I tuned in, to see the discussion - purely as a curious MOTORCYCLIST *I've always wondered why gaps are so hard for bicyclists - and was finished as soon as you urged viewers of your content to "buy in" or be "freeloaders" ...I suddenly don't have the time to watch you anymore
"If you can do this, then you can influence gravity" 🤣WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS VIDEO?! 🤣No one ever says to "pull up" 🤦♂🙄 what a wild straw man intro. Put your torso on the "lander"? Are you from another planet?
All I hear after about 10 min of this is Charlie browns teacher. Man, you can either jump (pop) or not. End of story. I personally cannot. I rely on speed and good juju.
You can absolutely build up the skills to jump properly, I'd recommend the loam ranger's video on hitting jumps at any speed as well. Relying on speed only works until it backfires terribly.
Dear God, finally - a decent roast - I’ll send you some earplugs for my next video I just got a 30 pack from Amazon, more than enough to go around 😅😂@bullit4x doing gods work
@@mountainbikeacademy thanks man. I have ADD (seriously). It’s so hard for me. I’m a in person student. That’s why I keep bugging you about lessons. But I will take some earplugs.
@@bullit4x just saw this haha - I don't buy it man. You can learn when you learn to learn, and you're probably smart enough to figure it out. Just keep asking better questions. That said...in person for jumping IS a good idea. Give me a bit I'm building a hybrid in person/online school lol.
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I have no issue hating on some other channel's "tutorials"...
Hate watching gets old fast 😂
Thank you. Have been (trying to) jump for years but have always relied on speed and a 2 wheel hop. Watched hours of jumping videos and even got a coach once. Still couldn't get it down. Im not exaggerating when i say that after watching this video and practicing for 15-30min, I started clearing jumps I never had before, plus im way more stable in the air. Best jumping tutorial on youtube.
Hey thanks - sounds like you put a lot of effort in and I happened to meet you where you're at...very niiiice!
1:36 🎶Stand up to the jump🎶Stand up to the jump🎶
Great Video. "The Gronk" at Thunder Mtn Bike Park in Charlemont, MA has 38 tabletops to practice on. My only advice from training other sports, once you're getting very tired, quit practicing. When tired your technique will get sloppy and your body will record your form and bad form will become muscle memory to be overcome next time. Enjoy the easy flowy trails when your body says you're done learning for that day.
Good stuff! Yeah injuries usually happen when we’re tired
I'll have to look into this place. I'm a local. Hopefully it's better than PSF?
Thunder is AWESOME for the true intermediate rider to progress.
@@tagzedawgthis is real, once you find the lines and a flow on trillium you can shred🎉
That’s something I’m going to have to try to remember. When to stop Pavo, and just take a break and have fun.
Stand up to the jump
the song and video are now in my head and I can't make it stop 😅
Could be worse - I could do a video about no handers and get you to sing let it go from frozen
Crouch down? You’re a (soon to crash) clown.
love the Loam Ranger video'stand up to the jump' or how to jump with no fear transformed my learning curve. He nails it in the simplest concise way.
You got to stand up, to the jump; to got to stand up to the jump.
I agree with all the techniques you mention, and I want to drive home the most important thing you said... 14:40 is where it is at. You have to see yourself completing the landing mentally. Do however many roll- ins you need, but picture yourself in the spot you need to land. If you cannot, then it might be best to tackle that one another time.
Exactly I’ve usually managed to crash more when I don’t!
Well in my 50's and learning to jump is more fun than I thought it is going to be but it hurts like hell.. seeing the young doing flybys as if not a big deal 😂.. Thanks for your advice David! Much appreciated 👍
We don't recover like we used to! I've got more scars on my body in the last 7 years than my lifetime up to that. Thank goodness for pads!
As a 38 year old who have been mountainbiking "seriously" for three years it is always great to hear people 10-15 years older than me still sending it. This passion is for life ❤
On our last bike trip to italy, there was one 72 years old senior. Some trails he skipped but the rest he did 👌🏽❤
Hope to be fit like him when 30 years from now have past 😅
Hands down this is the best jumping video on TH-cam! Thank you so much, that video was highly needed
Wow, thanks!
Agreed - thorough without being overly boring or long winded. I love that he covers the Concepts and basics first building up to the actual exercise/jump!
Many thanks! This means a lot (it’s a bit challenging to find this balance and I’ve definitely got lots to learn and improve) - super appreciate this!
Great info. I broke my foot months ago and finally got my boot off so I’m looking forward to using this info to improve my jumps.
I would add to this that practicing on pump track rollers is a good way to get the mechanics of take of and landing...good video
Yup I’ll probably do an entire series on that
Plus I’m rebuilding my backyard pump track
As a rider of 20+ years. It's cool to hear all the stuff spoken out loud that is typically intuitive. Great advice
This is by far the best jumping advice Ive ever seen on TH-cam.Linking this advice with some confidence will get you in the air and landing clean.
I believe this, perfect explanations and comparisons on what to look for
The trampoline example is totally spot on!
I discovered it when I collapsed under my own weight trying to be a hero with bent legs. My kids destroyed me.
I like to think of it as jumping on skis. Compress just before the transition, then extend the legs as you ride over the lip.
Timing is crucial.
Good analogy for sure
Great video. I apreciate the mention of the anti row and moment of letting go. A friend of mine who was competing in dirt jump competitions described the moment when you leave the lip of a jump like this.
the bike and your body momentarily become
separate masses of weight flying through the air
which make a total sense when you think of moves like a superman.
Its essentially its more important to know where your body is positioned in the air and move the weight of the bike under neath your to guide it to its desired landing spot.
Also in my personal experience I have found it incredibly helpfull to
Incorporate smalll wips and playfulness early on in the process of learning to jump as it really helps to combat the standing up and stiffening up problem.
Standing up to the jump and Playfulness have been the jumping game changers for me
Sorry but couldn’t think of anything to roast you with
Nice pony!
It’s ok we can just leave it on bake instead of roast
Great video! Well done and easy to follow. Great tutorial for beginners. Thank you!
King of mtb movement breakdowns. Thanks for these, really helpful, especially kinematics and muscle activation.
Glad you like them! My bro in law (head coach of MTB academy) is actually the real expert :)
Love these videos. I don't even ride mtb, but they're helping me with BMX.
Nice. Lots of crossover. LOTS. Bmx is legit.
nice one. like how you explain and show how to do it.. i just need to practice this and the drops to get more confidence.
Looking at the videos. Guys knees are bent in the air. So stand up and press into jump then once in the air scoop pedals bend knees and get into attack position for landing ?
I think that’s an accurate assessment of what’s happening… but in practice it’s not exactly that.
More like: press into the jump on the takeoff, get your torso trajectory going to where you need it to go, when in the air stop pressing downward with your legs and start using the combo of your legs, torso, and momentum to land the bike properly.the bike’s momentum will want to help it come up with your body. Allowing the legs to bend allows the bike to come up. Resisting the legs bending pushes the bike away from you.
If you jump as high as you can right now on your feet from a standing position, your legs will naturally bend some as you land. If you force your legs straight you might hyperextend your knee. If you force yourself into a squat position mid-air you’ll land and have a hard time resisting the falling weight. Instead, use a slight bend to help absorb any impact. The same goes for the landing impact on a bike. Too much crouch and you won’t resist the impact and collapse into your bike, no bend and you’ll have a harsher impact (luckily people have suspension and are often landing on a down-slope).
Staying relatively loose in the air is important. If your torso is going to the right place but the bike is a little misaligned, loose-ish arms and legs can help you bring the bike to where it needs to be. Stiff arms and legs won’t be able to guide that bike to where it needs to go.
Press into the jump, in the air let the legs bend and allow the bike into you (maybe even scoop a little as Steve Stevenson says in the video), get your torso and bike oriented to the right angle, land and get ready for that next corner IT’S SO CLOSE!!!!
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Suuuper helpful dude. Thanks. I can hit tables, but the gap trips me put because of the damage it could cause if I don't clear it. Will use your techniques. 🤙
Glad it helped!
Great non condescendent teaching stuff. Ty
Glad it’s chill 💪🏻
Excellent tutorial! Physical philosophies (Use leggs, not arms. Stand tall just as you would on yrampoline under max load.) is much more helpful than giving us 10 body mechanics to execute in sequence in final 1.5 seconds of approach.
Thanks for asking for feedback. "Hang off the handlebars" and "Scoop your feet" are not self explanatory. I ride a lot, and I watch a lot of tutorials, but I still can't figure out what you mean by either of those. Toes up (to keep weight back)?
As far as I can tell, your instructions for rolling spring-ups and then the rolling, front tire raise are the same. I assume one must spring a little bit to the back for only front tire to pop up. This tutorial was excellent so I'll go to video linked at 9:45ish.
Lastly, subtitles over a visually busy background are difficult at best. I couldn't figure out WHY (at 11:50) you were instructing us to "Note: don't have the exact progression...". Eventually, I noticed there was an "I" perfectly hidden over a white pole. I can hardly fault you on that. Even the biggest broadcasters in the world suck at subtitles (white, English subtitles superimposed over a guy wearing a white shirt & speaking in foreign language😡; half subtitles hidden under TV station's logo, etc.).
Ok, I lied, one more. That's some good looking font, but it's hard to read. Even if it were white letters over a solid-black background, it'd still be hard to read.
Fair feedback!
Hang off the handlebars- go to a railing. Any handrail. Stand up with knees slightly bent and lean back gently while holding the handrail with your arms allowed to extend.
Scoop your feet- that’s as simple as jumping and kicking yourself in the butt midair.
These are things some people never are taught so most folks it might not make sense.
And the font- I’ll have a look at that. I just hate Arial and Helvitica.
Thanks, looks like I have some practicing to do.
Can you make a video of how to ride and jump with a hardtail? Thank you for very good videos 👌
Ya know - I'm getting a lot of this. Might as well.
Jumping on hardtail can be easily extrapolated from this video:
Step 1) Sell hardtail.
Step 2) Buy full suspension.
Step 3) Watch this video.
Another video to learn and another skill to practice. Cant wait to apply it to practice it today💪🏼
Great advice thanks for thorough explanation!
You bet!
Great video but this "standing up to the jump" thing isn't always the same as we can see in the jump footage from 19:59 it seems like the rider is "squashing" it a bit. There is take off lenght vs take off height vs take off curvature and when you factor all these in it's obvious that different strategies need to applied when jumping. I feel like there are three main scenarios:
1 - the fast rolling, long and smooth take off where you just hold the line and your position on the bike and you just flow through the air with a similar landing catching you easily (jumps like smooth tabletops)
2 - the fast rolling short take off where you kind of let the bike come into you like absorbing or squashing it (knees and elbows slightly bent) similat to 19:59
3 - the slower rolling shorter take off tabletops where you press into the jump and kind of lean off the bars just a you were explainig in the clip
Just trying to understand the different types of jumps and jumping tehniques because I suck at doubling even tabletops. My biggest fear is getting bucked and tanding on my face as I've had a few lucky nose landings.
Anyone care to elaborate or give some simple advice? Nothing bears practice tho.
Great video man! Very informative. 🙂👍
Does the size of the bike matter relative to the body size. I'm 5.7 on M trek fuel ex8. It's %100 my correct size. But I find myself alway closer to the front.
Under 5’8” wheel size becomes a consideration. For sure.
You will have more stability and raw leverage, all else equal, compared to a taller rider.
That said, 95 percent of the time the MAIN restriction to reaching your skill potential has far more to do with
Core strength
Core mobility (trunk and hip articulation with intention)
Leg and hip raw strength
Total body coordination and mobility
In that order. Not having these will make achieving your skills impossible.
Your bike sizing and fit can make it easier or harder, but not possible or or impossible.
Just my 2c
That said, you can try a shorter stack height and shorter stem! Have you tried that?
How about a video on soaking up a jump, (please) there is this one jump that if you hit it at trail speed you will way over jump it but it kills the end of the run if you slow down enough to not over do it.????
Yessir literally just made one - last third or so of this one th-cam.com/video/-dQQxzgXwGA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yEo6xWgWqUaEeZvO
You said, front wheel down first which makes complete sense. I've crashed too many times to remember when landing rear wheel and my body is leaning to one side.
That being said, there is a gap jump from a turning left hand shark fin into another left hand elevated burm, then immediately into a right hand berm. I have such a hard time clearing it. Last time I pulled and sent it I had a hard crash. I over rotated left and corkscrewed in the air and hit the right back side of my helmet. On a side note, from that crash I'm a believer in MIPS!
My question is: when jumping sloping turns is the body supposed to be at the same angle as the slope or more upright?
Maybe for another episode?
Super detailed/good question
I’d have to see it to really offer detailed insight of course but the principle of putting your torso on trajectory during takeoff is 3x more important because you have to both land and change direction at the same time.
So it’s complicated
Watch Brandon semenuk raw v1 on TH-cam about halfway through he hips left and over turns it midair
Then go back and watch the torso
He simply puts it where it needs to go then moves the bike around himself.
What you’re talking about is quite advanced stuff lol
Best piece of advice I've taken from this is to start slow on a table top - forget about clearing the table top and focus on the movement\control. DO NOT just speed up to clear it. Yeah sure, speeding up will probably mean you clear it but you've learnt nothing. Plus when you do get it wrong the consequences are worse. So forget about your ego, slow it down and get the movement right.
Spot on
Great, practical analogies. Love your content
Glad it’s practical! 💪🏻
Excellent video with great insights into the mechanics. I have just one little nitpick - i dont really agree with achieving the front first landing via scooping the legs - this leaves torso in the wrong (too much upward, hands straight) position - you need to lead the bike with your chest (and legs should not actively be bent, just relaxed to allow bike bend them a bit when it goes towards a body). Actually in most of the demo jumps the legs are not bent actively and chest position is fine - it is just this single drill/step thats sounds wrong.
I get that it may be useful to get used to the feeling of landing front first via this bad habbit of bending legs - but it may actually do more harm than good as if you automate this, it is difficult to get rid of. Active leg bending is justifiable only just before lending in case you need to get an extra feet of flight in emergency (casing big gap or so).
When assessing the speed to come at a jump, How do you find the balance between speed and compression strength? Im tending to find jumps can be ridden at a faster speed with less compression or almost no compression (the jump kind of sends you the right way), or slower with more bunny hop.
is one of these 'better' in any way? Maybe for tricks/stunts you need more airtime, but for a race you want to minimize air time?
Very very good question - In general, you're totally right. Faster speed needs less "pop".
Where you want to be careful is going all speed no pop- you can get compressed.
Also, going way too slow and ultra-popping hard seems to only work for BMX riders who don't care and somehow know how to defy physics :)
I am a little confused though in the training regarding the front wheel at the 10:10 time stamp in the video. It looks like you are pulling up to pull the front wheel up. I thought you are to never pull with your arms when jumping.
Not pulling. Bouncing it up by pushing - review the front wheel lift!
Excellent advice! 👌👍
...that's it. I have nothing of value to add. 🤷🏽♂️
How do you get those handlebars so high on the front wheel lift without pulling with your arms at all? No matter how much you push with your legs, how is only the front wheel jumping up som much all the way to your waist without any weight shift of your body or help from your hands? Is it just the fact that you stand up taller and the shoulders drag arms and handlebars up high?
Nope - you gotta push and the jump does the lifting for you!
@@mountainbikeacademy Yeah, and it feels like I have to 'jump' off the rear wheel at the lip. Almost like the rear wheel is an extension of your foot, you would just off the lip the same way.
Confused about the advice not to lift with your arms but at 10:07 and 10:10 in the video it really looks like you are pulling the front up with your hands no? Or am I seeing it wrong?
So use the English bunny hop instead of the American bunny hop?
Precisely old chap
Great channel! I used your advice regarding cornering and it helped quite a bit. I did get a little too confident and lost the front wheel 😮 a few stitches in my forearm and I’m back. Can’t wait to practice the techniques you have outlined in this video.
Glad it helped and sorry about the stitches!
what setup are you running for your Ohlins front Shock? I have the same one and trying to dial it in
I’ll have to check I literally set it up once and forgot
Fantastically easy setup.
You have such a convoluted way or describing or teaching how to do something
Thanks for the feedback.
It would be really interesting to hear your thoughts about how a rider can handle self doubt and fear. I practice pretty darn regularly, my basics are in a good place but sometimes my head feels like a brick wall that I struggle to break through. Even after doing the jump or feature that I'm afraid of, later the doubts and fears creep back in and it feels like I'm doing it for the first time all over again. I'm constantly subconsciously holding myself back and its a really tricky aspect of my riding to overcome.
Exactly. I'm in the same spot as you.
does your bike size matter ? and if yes, how much? i am between sizes and i got a larger size, a M size Canyon Spectral. The bike feels a bit large but very stable and comfortable.
If the bike is bigger i assume it affects your ability to move the center of mass towards the rear axle ? I started biking again after 30 and i want to be able to at least some jumps without breaking my body :). Thx in advance!
you say that we dont push or pull the handle bar, but as a demo 10:07 i see you pull the handle bar so clearly, do i miss sth? plz, it make me confuse :((
It’s bouncing up. If im pulling, its extremely small in this example
@@mountainbikeacademy i mean i dont know how to practice it the right way, can you make a video to explain it more clear? Many thanks, love all of your tutors!
Freeride Freeloader… I love it! 😆 💪🏻🤘🏻💪🏻
Your videos are one of the best on the YT!
Glad you like them! Lots of really solid entertainers and established how-to guys and gals
06:25 "ding"👍
Alexa delivers at the worst times had to roll with it
@@mountainbikeacademy didnt hear Alexa thought it was a joke because of the boost from the force of weight that you take off to the sky "ding" and pointing the way. 😂😂😂
Literally Amazon delivered haha
Why when jumping I'm being thrown to the right? It's frusting.
We shouldn't be yanking the bike up over jumps. I notice when I do, my ass end is out of control & flies to one side or the other. Which side the back of my bike goes depends on which pedal is back. If my left pedal is back when I yank up on the bike, then my back tire drifts to the right while it's airborne. If my right pedal is back when I yank bike up, then back tire drifts left.
Love your channel! keep it up!
Super- glad it’s good
You going to MTN Creek this weekend?
Not yet hoping to later this august
Great breakdown, currently working on my jumps. Went full send on a table, overshot and landed nose heavy. rode it out, but scary AF. As with any other feature, confidence and commitment are key. If you ain't feeling it, keep practicing the smaller stuff.
is it the same if the jump is from a curved lip instead of a flat take off "ramp" ?
same general concept...totally depends on landing IMO this is kind of a question you may want to ask a coach, friend/riding buddy while you are at the feature specifically! Hope that makes sense.
But yes the concept of creating the trajectory you want = same
Thanks. Today I have cleared jump that was giving me issues before. Now it was easy followi your tips. Will try it slowly on other features as well ! Keep up the good content!
Ok, I need a better understanding. After watching countless videos for the last year where people say dont bunny hop the jump. Your saying to squat down and come up pulling the bars and scope your feet. So isn't that a hop? I'm just trying to figure out how to jump . My mind has done went haywire for the last year.
I think this advice will get you there, but I conceptualize it differently.......It makes more sense to me that you don't allow your fork to absorb the lip of the jump. If you weight down at the bottom of the transition and stand up straight as you ascend the jump, the suspension will extend as you approach the lip. This eliminates your rear wheel hooking the lip, sending you potentially over the bars. Pumptrack is the best way to learn timing on the transitions. Landing front wheel first might be equal or even more sketchy. Unless you're coming in level with the landing. I broke my collarbone landing front wheel first at the bottom of the landing. Lets just say forks aren't at their best landing front wheel first. I would have been better off on a rigid. Small jumps with good landings are fun to pop (BMX/DJ) but I'm still looking for the confidence to send gaps.
Really appreciate your approach and attention to details . The details of course have to be committed to muscle memory and feeling... if you have to think about it, then its too late. So here with the question. When you straighten up, do you push perpindicular to ground, or the ramp of the jump ?
The reason i ask is because on steep ramps eg more than 45% that means you are pushing backwards..and that feels super unnatural ( ok terrifying is actually more precise in my case)
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Thanks very much for the reply. Firstly 2010 , not my birth year, just some number given me by the Internet machine. I am some way older, way older . This explains why taking risks has to be balanced as well as bad technique minimised. For instance, you called it I often land tail first, especially when tired...just forget to scoop , bad technique.
Regarding the angle of the jump and body position/ movement, reality difficult to define, just the steeper the slope the less need to hang back and bring the wheel up as the slope just sends you up, it does the work for you. Let's see, I will try the excersise and get the feeling. Once again thanks for your comments .
awesome info
Glad it was helpful!
If anyone rides horses, def euro saddle, there's a lot of transferable skills in a gallop with jumps clearing brooks. I ride hardtail and it brings back memories of riding horses as a kid. I BMX for 20years and I jump with my arms. No sus clearing 25 foot stair gaps; it's all speed and arms. Landing back tyre first to half the impact of the drop, cos no sus. BMX street is death by front tyre first, but possible. The switch to MTB was a real headspin. The MTB sus vibe for me is pushing the triangle of my shoulders into the dirt, centred on the front wheel contact patch. STANDING UP MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER! Even if you enter into a jump crouched,and nosedive, standing up and stretching like a diver can get your weight over the back axle enough to stop going over the bars, and stomp a landing. The skills for first drop downhill and a bucking horse are very similar imo. Thanks for you breakdowns and this focus on techniques,it's super interesting 🤘🙇🤘
great . . . saludos
Great video! Time to go big or go to the ER 😎
Have fun!
Scooping with your feet is important if you ride with flat pedals to keep the grip on the pedals, not sure if you mentioned that. landing no footed hurts your nuts.
Yeah I did mention
Hope your nuts are ok✊🏻🥹
@@mountainbikeacademy The left one fully recovered.
All you need is one haha haha
Great explanation of the need to stand up. Will drills one and two work on a hard tail? In the demonstration, it looks like the shocks are causing the bike to lift.
Try it. It’s different but the same at the same time.
@@mountainbikeacademy So in other words, try the same drills on my hardtail. My biggest problem with jumps is that I pull the bike up into me in the air. I don't really get kicked or anything like that but I may be overcompensating. I'm also of an age where if I'm going to jump, I want to make sure I'm doing it safely. Not looking for any big air but would be nice to not feel like I need to roll everything.
Another great video.
Thanks again! Tryin my best
I'm a cinematographer and the only roast I have is your lighting improved when that thing feel down. Haha.
Bahahahaa I’ll have to watch it back
0:04 geezuz!😮
All makes a lot of sense 👍
"If you wanna land, you gotta stand..." come on man that was too easy
I know I had an off day lol
Why does everyone say landing back wheel first is so dangerous? Imo it's less dangerous because you can hit your brake and come back down even if your 90deg straight up. I'm convinced you can come back down from past 90deg w the momentum.
I explained my reasoning pretty thoroughly-
Obv if you’re in control and aimed straight you can totally be fine landing gear first (aka back wheel first)
But 100 percent the worst slams I’ve seen in person have been back tire first.
@mountainbikeacademy Yea don't get me wrong I think this vid was awesome and very well made and explained. I think however in a situation where it's a new rider trying to learn jumps and starting gaps, landing front first is pretty dangerous. You did say only by a fraction of a second but to a new rider that means str8 nose manual all the way down the lander. When in reality it's just getting to a point you can steer the bike again. Landing parallel is the goal but for new ridets rear first allows for a much larger window to land the jump and can eliminate some of the fear that comes w matching a steep lander until you feel confident to do it better. Contrary to what you said tho, I've never seen someome crash from landing too far back, but have witnessed plenty of otb crashes on jumps, getting bucked or trying to land too nose heavy and rolling straight over the bars down the lip. I'm not encouraging back wheel landing I'm just saying for new riders it's probably safer.
@@MatttKelly all fair points - and in theory you're spot on (plus I'd agree that more FREQUENTLY I see OTB than not, it's the ones that get someone concussed have been the back tire first)
In practice when I teach beginners + actual coaching companies all kind of agree getting people to practice landing tires at the same time first without clearing a whole table is certainly a better progression.
But yes I agree- if you could prevent beginners from nosing over that's ultimately a good outcome! Thanks for taking the time to write!
David Davidson is a sign of confidence from Mom and Dad.
lol true
At least I’m not “Sue”
Riding a pump track is a great way to learn how to jump
Great info ! At least you keep your shirt on for this one lol
Ha I only do that if necessary
Kinda uncomfortable to ride without a shirt on for some reason.
You talk too much in your garage 😂 Get out on the trails and show us! Dave, you need to be careful asking for roasters. The comment swamp is the real deal. Dont worry, it'll come haha.
Doctor hasn’t cleared me yet :) had surgery months ago and all my footage is from last year ! I will soon.
Lmao “I need an enemy!” 😂😂
Maybe I don't, maybe the enemy is... boredom because we're stuck inside and can't ride lol
@@mountainbikeacademy 😂
This was a nice one:
"the hands are along for the ride."
Should be printed on a t-shirt...
Well, I've been guilty of trying to land manual for the steez. It works sometimes 😅
If you want to land, you gotta stand!
Missed opportunity: SPOTTED
Or send, depending on the gap
You are awesome man.
You are!
Sounds daft but I jump like I’m actually running and jumping the jump except on a bike 👍🏼 think it comes from rollerblading back in the day……yeah I’m old 😂
HI ,Nice work Mate !!🤙Do you mund I put this link🤙on my channel !??✌Because it's so useful And I can show to my Cantonese speaking friends for this✌
Go ahead! Eventually I’m going to recycle all my content in other languages too
Really good video, but I would say overly technical. Too many things to think about and consider. A follow on, more simple summary to these videos may be helpful.
Fair enough!
Here’s how I learned. First learn to bunny hop (American, not English pogo hop). Then slow your rebound on your rear shock, and essentially do a slower bunny hop that starts at the entrance to the jump and ends at the lip. That puts you and the bike in the right body position and you don’t have to do much beyond that.
Also, watch pros, film yourself, and get over your ego. Bad form is obvious when you watch it in slow mo video.
You mean you don't just have to stand up to the jump???
@@TheBigBloakHimself Haha, that really caught on. And no, that video didn't do much for me (but I did like his video on cornering). Simple, good advice about body position, but preload is half the battle.
I thought the video was catchy and was curious if it really helped or just got a lot of love in the comments - glad he made it lol
Here's your mnemonic, "If you want to land, be in command"
Light hands heavy feet
Yup IMO some of the best universal tips right there
Also you jump forward not backward guys.
If you want to land, you need to stand. Lol
Using the front brake in the air is bad advice. Great way to wash the front. Back brake is fine
Dang did I say front? Yeah back brake is good- good catch - thanks!
👍🏻👍🏻
crouch to crash stand to land
talk about a missed opportunity on my part lol - sheesh
I understand the concept because I do it but for people who don't jump properly... Maybe harder to get what he's talking about. Kids who rode bikes and jumped off curbs should be naturals
So much rattling bro, Torso+2Tire what does that even mean?😆 Just stand up to the jump and be done with it. Once you start landing jumps with two contact points, keep training on the same table, and try to start landing ever so slightly faster with front tyre and you achieve that by looking where you land.
How old are you and how long have you been jumping?
The only thing that can improve this video is the presenter being called Harley.
Checked, not related that would be too good
As a teaching tool, this vid is realy upside down 😢
If this is a roast I am failing to catch the analogy sorry
But If serious critique what’s upside down about it?
Well, i would edit some visual demo before all those words.
Ah fair
Tbh I’m doing less editing because it helps me get more content out but totally fair- thanks for the feedback
I tuned in, to see the discussion - purely as a curious MOTORCYCLIST *I've always wondered why gaps are so hard for bicyclists - and was finished as soon as you urged viewers of your content to "buy in" or be "freeloaders" ...I suddenly don't have the time to watch you anymore
lol mountain bikers aren’t very uptight they tend to think it’s funny but all good man
If you want to land send it with a plan... Best I got.
Way better than mine lol
Why would anyone roast you?
I dunno my friends and co workers always roast heavy it’s fun
Alright then, you've been warned.
You're very handsome and your videos are super helpful
Well you're just super nice and if I rode bikes w you I'd probably like it
Good advise, why don’t you try to be a little less respectful. The whole thing was far to efficient. Trying cussing more please
Damn good advice, you probably
Couldn’t even finish my disrespect before hitting send I give up haha
How did I miss this 🤣 the attempt was made. I like it 👌🏻
Actually find this to be a confusing tutorial...
Fair- have you seen any of my other videos and this one wasn’t helpful or are you a bit newer to the channel?
"If you can do this, then you can influence gravity" 🤣WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS VIDEO?! 🤣No one ever says to "pull up" 🤦♂🙄 what a wild straw man intro. Put your torso on the "lander"? Are you from another planet?
I’m from the planet Send, it’s 420 million light years away and 69X more fun to be there. Gravity only exists there for roadies.
Good God poorly put together. You’re just confusing everybody too much information.
Sometimes that happens. Not for everyone.
All I hear after about 10 min of this is Charlie browns teacher. Man, you can either jump (pop) or not. End of story. I personally cannot. I rely on speed and good juju.
You can absolutely build up the skills to jump properly, I'd recommend the loam ranger's video on hitting jumps at any speed as well. Relying on speed only works until it backfires terribly.
Dear God, finally - a decent roast - I’ll send you some earplugs for my next video I just got a 30 pack from Amazon, more than enough to go around 😅😂@bullit4x doing gods work
@@mountainbikeacademy thanks man. I have ADD (seriously). It’s so hard for me. I’m a in person student. That’s why I keep bugging you about lessons. But I will take some earplugs.
have you tried Ninja or a local instructor? Just curious
@@bullit4x just saw this haha - I don't buy it man. You can learn when you learn to learn, and you're probably smart enough to figure it out. Just keep asking better questions. That said...in person for jumping IS a good idea. Give me a bit I'm building a hybrid in person/online school lol.
Stand and land, 😂🪨🌲🌵⚒️🚵♀️David Davidson! I am Robert Robertson Trailbuilder dude