ALEXANDER THE GREAT: GREEK OR NORTH MACEDONIAN?
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- Till this day, the debate of whether Alexander the Great is Macedonian/North Macedonian or Greek still remains prevalent. Both North Macedonia and Greece claim Alexander the Great to be their own and in this video, I will be breaking down the arguments and reasons of both sides to determine whether Alexander the Great was ‘Greek’ or North Macedonian. You’re watching All Things History
Sources:
Herodotus, Histories.
Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War
How could be North Macedonian? The slavs came to the region 1000 years after Alexander and Philip
Your mum came
You forgot to mention that north Macedonians are Slavs and Slavs migrated to Macedonia almost 1000 after his death
Last time I checked the bibliography, Macedonians were still speaking a Dorian originated dialect (one of the Greek dialects) and the Persians were calling them: 'Yauna takabara' (Yauna = Greeks) :) There is no historical debate. There is a political debate only that appears quite late in history I am afraid: since the efforts for the foundation of the North Macedonia state started.
Yauna is derived from Ionian
@@moshedayan2810 Exactly, the Ionians! One of the greek ethnonyms: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Greeks.
The 'Greeks' are named Greeks by the west, Yunans by the east, while they call themselves Hellenes :)
@@anastasiagazi8246 in the good old days we Indians used to refer to all foreigners as yaunas😂
This is not correct, but what did the Persians call the Spartans? Do you know?
@@anastasiagazi8246 even postal stamps of Greece 🇬🇷have country name hellas.. I used to collect stamps.. Some country names on the stamps confused me then.. Magyar Posta, posta romana, Helvetia, hellas, Osterreich.. Later I knew they were Hungary Romania Switzerland Greece and Austria
Those who are claiming Macedonian history and land as their own is just a country located North to the Macedonia.
Lol it’s a joke to just even debate this. Slavs (a mix of Bulgarians Turks and Albanians) think Alexander the Great was theirs… 😅😅😅 like wtf
Greece is mix of Macedonians , turk , arab , albanians and more and by force called greek
Was tracian,no bulugarian or slavs in theat time no turks
Calling Slavs a mix of all those😂 yeah you have a good knowledge of history….
@@hristijanmitev3337modern day dna tests by 7 european universities tested the dan bones of ancient greek tombs and modern tombs.
97% similarity.
Science has spoken
Τhe thing is , no argument really excists , once you pay attentiont to both parties arguments. Furthere more the issue has been resolved before Alexanders death . he strongly thought himself of greek origin and the rest of the greek world accepted him as one before he was even born. alexanders forefathers took place in ancient olympic games .no other than greek people took part there .The rest is just historic violation by people who deny hteir own non macedonic and non greek origin
No, it was not universally accepted among the Greeks that the Ancient Macedonians are the same people like them. In fact, Demosthenes considered the Ancient Macedonians non-Greeks and barbarians, and he hated them from the bottom of his heart.
@illbeback3168 demosthenes was a politician who had a lot to lose .study the facts and the politics of the era, then make a point that is actually meaningful. Besides that, one person does not define historical facts
@@kalathasl, now you are speculating that there was something else behind Demosthenes' words. You're speculating that this was not an ethnic conflict, but maybe a political rivalry or personal anymosity. But you don't know that for sure. What we know for sure is that he labeled the Macedonians as non-greeks and barbarians. Even the greek historians won't deny this. This means that it wasn't universally accepted that the Macedonians are Greeks. Some people like Demosthenes didn't agree with that. At least not publicly. If the Macedonians were considered Greek by all the Greeks, such incidents would not happen.
@illbeback3168 yet they were treated like hellenes in all public events . Hell, they advocated (the macedonians themselves)their hellenic origin an ancestry. Do you know better than the macedonians 2500 years ago? I don't think so.
@@kalathasl no, I should ask that question: do you know better than Demosthenes what exactly he had in mind when he labeled the Macedonians as non-Greeks and barbarians?
Greece wasn't just city states there were also kingdoms like epirus and Bosporus and league like thessaly and aetolia
Exactly
why is it always about Alexander and Philipp? Weren't there other Macedonian kings? Generals? Philosophers? Wasn't there the Antigonedes dynasty? The Antipatredes dynasty? Cassandrus? Ptolemy? Olympiad? Thessaloniki? Aristotle? why is the debate only about these two??
North Macedonians (Republic of North Macedonia) are a mix of Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians, Turks, and Roma Gypsies. Alexander the Great was a Hellene (Greek) and Greek speaking. The ancient Macedonianswere a northern Greek tribe from Macedonia in northern Greece.
Rafaella Dati go ebam Puteto Tatarsko
Makedonzite se bel narot bugarite se kazazi rusi zigani
Rafaela e putana zigana njera stupidana
Und Kapisi un kazo
Tuse stupidana
Greca sono zigani di turci vengonl prima 130 ani in macedonija
@@igorspirovski-lc3ow >??? What does that mean exactly?? That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
You don't really have to argue if he was Greek or not. He was Greek by every definition of the word, its utterly ridiculous that you even try compared him with slavs . Just read history you can't compare the Greeks with the slavs that move south after 600+ A. D.
The language was Greek, the writing was Greek the names were Greek even if you want to say that it was a dialect so be it but it was Greek nevertheless. Their origins is Greek! they themselves were Greeks and they understood it.
Only Greeks could participate in the Olympics and Makedonians could! and had participate in it.
The religion was Greek, the architecture was Greek. Alexander spread Greek culture to the east, you don't promote something that's isn't yours or foreign.
He United the Greeks city States.
Even ancient sources agree that Makedonia was Greek. The only reason there is ancient sources that call the barbarians was because the were in the frighes of the Greek world. It's had monarchy and most of all it was Athenian that have predominant this view for various reasons.
Also 90% of the historical Makedonian lands before the conquest is in Greece all the important cities are in Greece only the fridges of the territory are outside on modern day Greece.
Greeks living in the region of Makedonian always refer to themselves as Greeks throughout history and until today.
Slavs moved only after 600+ A.D. in the region and have nothing to do with Greeks. Their language is Bulgarian with few differences that happen in modern times and the only reason they call themselves Makedonians is because Tito wanted Yugoslavia to have access in the Aegean sea and created this so called makedonian identity so that he had claim for the historical Makedonia
There is nothing historical or factual of their so called arguments for their delusional claims.
I only made a reference to the Slavs to show the north Macedonian perspective - hope you enjoyed
So you just decided to comment Wikipedia on youtube ?
Leave it to the communists to distort history.
@@allthingshumanities5328 so first of all your minister of agean macedonia SAID THAT ANCIENT MACEDONIA WAS A KINGDOM second of all the people voted to not change the name but we changed it the largest show in uk said that he was MACEDONIAN WITH HISTORYCAL FACTS LOOK AT THIS
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North Macedonia is only called North Macedonia because it covers part of the land that used to be ancient Macedonia which was part of Greece. The people lining in North Macedonia today are of Slavic origin and have absolutely no genetic, historical or cultural relevance to ancient Macedonia which (again) was part of ancient Greece.
The name Macedonia derives from the Greek Μακεδονία (Makedonía),[1] a kingdom (later, region) named after the ancient Macedonians, from the Greek Μακεδόνες (Makedones), "Macedonians", explained as having originally meant either "the tall ones" or "highlanders".[2] The word Μακεδνόν (Makednon) is first attested in Herodotus as the name which the Greek ethnos was called (which was later called Dorian) when it settled around Pindus mountain range.[3] Makednon is related to the Ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός (makednós), meaning "tall, slim",[4] attested in Homer and Hesychius of Alexandria in its feminine form "μακεδνή" (makednē), meaning "long, tall".[5][6] It cognates with the words μακρός (makros, "long, large")[7] and μήκος (mēkos, "length"),[8] both deriving from the Indo-European root *mak-, meaning "long' or "slender".[9] Linguist Robert S. P. Beekes claims that both terms are of Pre-Greek substrate origin and cannot be explained in terms of Indo-European morphology,[10] however De Decker argues the arguments are insufficient.[11
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the official languages of Skopje is Albanian and Slavic.
They claim to have a name that has not any translation in their language.
Even the word Macedonia is a Greek word.
There's a region in Malaysia called Malacca. You have that word in the greek language, too (it's a profanity by the way). So is this some ancient greek land in Malaysia? But of course not. If something sounds greek, it's not necesarily greek. There's a town called Batman in Turkey, but it's not named after the popular american superhero.
@@longingforthesouth9198it's different from the malaka in Greece, also it's not written in greek like it's the case with the word makedonia in coins and stone tablets.
@@longingforthesouth9198 Retarded logic that has nothing to do with fact. Funny.
There is no debate Alexander is GREEK just like MACEDONIA is GREEK
Wtf are you talking about??
@@zirovnicaplayz6573 true
About macedonia?@@zirovnicaplayz6573
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@@zirovnicaplayz6573the truth
95% of Scholars since the mid 90s consider the ancient Macedonians as a northern Greek tribe and linguists speak of the "north western Greek" color of the ancient Macedonian idiom.
You're paid political bot!!! F&% off!!! Not true!!!
And before 1990 for everybody there was no question as to whether they were Greeks.
Macedonians 🇬🇷 are Greeks
Alexander himself:
" ..... we on the contrary, shall fight for *_Greece (Ελλάς)_* , and our hearts will be in it "
Arrian Anabasis Book II, 7
Alexander's speech before Battle of Issus
Macedonians were edomites. There are MANY texts specifically distinguishing the GREEKS and MACENDONIANS as separate peoples.
What do the Intellectuals of the Republic of North Macedonia say?
[Professor Toni Deskoski, Professor of Civil Law, Cyril and Methodius University Skopje]
*_"From 2006, onwards started a complete process of trying to change our identity - to insert ancient DNA. And so change our collective memory, memory of a Slavic nation, to create us into something that was ancient Macedonian nations - which was Greek!!. A very crazy attempt to change a slavic nation into a Greek nation, and that caused great confusion within the state"_*
Yes, North Macedonia is a democratic country and people can express different opinions. Try to question the ancient Greek origin of the modern Greeks in Greece and you'll probably end quite badly. For example, try to tell the truth in Greece that the modern Greeks are not Greeks at all, but assimilated (greekized): Arvanites (Albanians), Aromanians (Vlachs), Slavs etc.
@@longingforthesouth9198 Actually both DNA studies and Anthropology studies, show that the majority of Greeks are descendants of ancient Greeks, and only a smaller portion is from later migrations. Sorry bud.
Also the ''assimilated Slavs, Arvanites are modern Greeks'' argument, that you Skopianoi try use... Yep, unfortunately that's also being disproven by DNA testing, as we as historical evidence. Don't worry about our DNA. Just worry about your Bulgarian blood and heritage 😉
You're a political bot "Rafaella". Stop embarrassing yourself!!!
@@majamajaist You are a Slavic bot desperate for an identity. Sad, sad creatures who believed the lies of communist dictator (Tito) and now you can't get over it. You have zero relation with Ancient Macedonia. You even signed the Prespes Agreement about it. Get over it
@@longingforthesouth9198 Yess the modern greeks are not greeks at all and the slavs are macedonians i would add that modern italians are not italians at all and norwegians are latin and of course modern germans are not germans at all and the canadians are babylonians etc etc , i also do agree that the intellectuals dont know reall history and the real historians are Tito and Gruefsky . Logical conclusion the greeks disappeared and only "macedonian" left which of course are not assimilated (Macedonianized): bulgarians , slavs ,albanians etc .........this is a fine example of what communist propaganda + loss of historical education + embarasing feelings about someones reall slavic roots can create in less than a century , This kind of "logic" should be the subject of varius scientific research in the future
Greek DNA shows Greeks are genetically much more distinct from the Slavic populations and are much more similar to Southern European populations. As anticipated from the results of previous studies,18, 19, 20 the Greeks are genetically placed very close to the Sicilians and Italians (Figures 2a and b) but they differ from several other populations we compared them (see Supplementary Figure 2). Network analysis (Figure 2c), highlighted the interconnections of Peloponnesean populations as well as the connections between Peloponneseans, Italians and Sicilians; in this network analysis, Sicilians and Italians serve as a bridge between Peloponneseans and other European populations (Basque, Andalusians and French). Slavic populations are placed far away from the Peloponneseans as are the Near Eastern populations. The latter are connected to the Peloponnesus via the islands of Crete and the Dodecanese.
First of all, I doubt that you are a top authority in the field of genetics and you're obviously just copying / pasting stuff from sources that you might not fully understand or that might be questionable. For example, your post mentions "figures", but we can't see them. But anyway. This DNA thing is controversial, different sources say different things and the test results are sometimes confusing or surprising. For example, I've read that they tested slavic Macedonians from North Macedonia, and genetically they are quite distant from, say, the Czechs, the Poles or other Slavs, but are closer to the pre-slavic populations in the Balkans, with whom they certainly mingled.
yeah, maybe some Greeks have Slavic DNA since the Slavs invaded us during the Ottoman Era of Greece, that doesnt make their DNA different from their ancestors's one
@@longingforthesouth9198 The point I'm making is that Slavic Macedonians cluster with Bulgarians and Serbs in all genetic studies, and Greeks cluster with several Italian populations and are distanced from Bulgarians/slavo Makedoncis
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391............ zuj .
u S'umadija.
Yes, North, South, East, and West Macedonian...and ALL GREEK.
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in your wet dreams
You mean Macedonian or greek! Because the new name of the country dont imply a new ethnicity!
The DNA of the people of the modern country called Republic of North Macedonia is Bulgarian with some Serbian.
BALKAN DNA STUDIES COMPARE FORMER YUGOSLAV POPULATIONS
Monday, January 30, 2012 SKOPJE - A six-year long DNA research of the Balkan peoples conducted by Skopje Forensics Medicine Institute has showed remarkable resemblance among them. The analysis of the data has showed that residents of Macedonia have the most similar DNA with Bulgarians and Serbs, Croats with Bosnian and Serbian population while Kosovo Albanians have the fewest similarities with the others,” says Forensics Medicine Institute’s Dr Zlatko Jakovski.
Hold your horses, lady. This DNA thing is controversial, there're different opinions and anyone can find one that suits his or her political agenda. For example, here's an opinion that debunks your (greek) narrative that "the slavic Macedonians are just immigrants to the Balkans": Y-DNA studies suggest that Macedonians along with neighboring South Slavs are distinct from other Slavic-speaking populations in Europe and near half of their Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups are likely to be inherited from inhabitants of the Balkans that predated sixth-century Slavic migrations. - Journal of Human Genetics. 52 (5): 406-414.
In the bible, in the chapter Daniel 8:20-22, as well as throughout the chapter, refers to Alexander the Great as the King of Greece, and his Macedonian Empire as Greece.
Maccabees 1:1 Again, refers to Alexander as the King of Greece, and in Maccabees 1:11, the Macedonian Seleucid Empire as the ''Kingdom of the Greeks'', as well as throughout the chapter refers to the Macedonian Seleucids as Greeks....
Book of Daniel 8:20 - 22, refers to Alexander the Great, as the King of Greece, and his Macedonian Empire which later split into 4 kingdoms, as ''Greece'':
Daniel 8:20 “'The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece [Alexander], and the large horn between its eyes is the first king. 22 The four horns that replaced the one that was broken off represent four kingdoms that will emerge from his nation but will not have the same power.”'
1 Maccabees 1:1 “'The Succession of Alexander the Great.[b] 1 After Alexander of Macedon, the son of Philip, had come from the land of Kittim[c] and defeated Darius, the king of the Persians and the Medes, he succeeded him as king, in addition to his position as king of Greece.”'
1 Maccabees 10:10-11 “'From these there sprang forth a wicked offshoot, Antiochus Epiphanes, the son of King Antiochus [King of the Macedonian Seleucid Empire]. Previously he had been a hostage in Rome. He began his reign in the one hundred and thirty-seventh year of the Greeks. 11 Hellenism in Palestine.”'
There we have it, calling Alexander the Great, the King of Greece, and referring to his Empire and the Macedonian Seleucid Empire, as ''the 137th year of the Greeks.''
There was NOT king of greece NOR greece kingdom, never before 1832!
@@dimcenikolovski6323 The Macedonian Kingdom was obviously a Greek city state that united the other Greek city states as one, hence why the Macedonian Empire is called Greece by the 2 different Jewish writers, and several times throughout the bible. Simple stuff.
@@dimcenikolovski6323 book of daniel disagrees
MrMacedoniaOfGreece, you confuse apples and oranges. For example, do you know that the british king George V was, among other things, an Emperor of India? So he had an indian origin? No. Do you know that the russian tsar Nicolas II, was also a King of Congress Poland and Grand Duke of Finland? So was he polish or finnish? No. Do you know that the Austrian ruler Franz Joseph I was, among other things, King of Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slovenia...? Was he a Czech, Croat, Slovenian, what? You fail to understand these royal titles.
Great video
When asking if Alexandros was Greek or Macedonian, is like asking if Leonidas was Greek or Spartan. -_-
Of course he was Greek.
He was Spartan First. Greeks like a good fight.
The borders of old macedonia also extended to Albania what's the point
He was very obviously a Greek from Macedonia which was again obviously Greek.
Demosthenes considered the Macedonians non-Greeks and barbarians. You will not dispute what this famous athenian orator said, wouldn't you? And there's nothing obvious about Alexander's "greekness". He had a pale skin and blonde hair, which is exactly the opposite of how most of the Greeks look.
@@longingforthesouth9198 Go read Herodotus about the line of the Macedonians from Argos and Hercules, then get back and tell us about Demosthenes who had a personal political grudge against Philip who dwarfed his home city-state of Athens. If you want to play smart with ancient sources, you'd better quote ALL of them.
@@longingforthesouth9198Greek doric
All the kings of Macedonia were from Argos, central Greece(Argead dynasty)... macedonians themselves were saying they were Greeks...they spoke doric Greek not western Bulgarian. You want to change history?
No Real Argument Exists Actually. The Macedonians were Greeks, always have been and aways will be part of the Hellenic History & Reality. Slavs came 1,000 years after ATG’s Death…From a simple chronological viewpoint, its Impossible for them to try to HiJack another Nations Historical Legacy. So Simple! 💯
How the hell do Yugoslavs think Alexander is a Slav? Boggles the mind
Is this even a question?
He wrote when he reached in Asia.
I Alexander, the leader of all greeks except Spartans conquered the world.
His name is Αλεξανδρος not Alexandrovic like the names of the slavs
First mistake of this video, Alexander and his father's intention was not to conquer Greece since as they self identified as Greeks they regarded Greece their mother country. Their intention was to bring STABILITY to Greece and this unify all the independent states of Greece and NOT to conquer.All historians today are agreed that the ancient Macedonians were Greeks. Alexander the Great was a Macedonia and the Macedonians were a northern Greek tribe from ancient Macedonia in northern Greece
The ancient writers who concerned themselves with the age of Alexander and shortly afterward KNEW that the MACEDONIANS and the GREEKS were “TWO DIFFERENT” people.
only modern historiography paints the old Macedonians as Greeks (I wonder why) 🤔
@@DOOMMAKEDONIA No, the difference between the Greeks in the south of Greece and the Macedonians in the north of Greece was political and NOT racial. As William Thorpe-Tarn wrote in his scholarly work "Antigonus Gonatas"........... *_"This was NOT a blood issue but a mental attitude (on the part of the Greek democratic Republics)"_*
All ancient writers e.g Polybius, say the Macedonians and the Greeks of the Democratic republics were OMOPHYLOS (of the same race). You can go through all of the ancient writers, Diodorus Siculus, Livy, Polybius, Callisthenes, Arrian, Herodotus, etc etc etc. All point to the Macedonians being Greeks. Even the Greek judges (Hellenodikai) were satisfied that the Macedonians were 100% Greeks. Other wise they would NEVER have been allowed to compete in the Olympic games where only Greeks were allowed to compete.
@@DOOMMAKEDONIA Why does modern historiography confirm the Macedonians were Greeks?? Because we know a lot about them today and since all the archaeological discoveries made n the ancient Kingdom of Macedonia in northern Greece. All the archaeology confirms the macedonians were a northern Greek tribe
@@DOOMMAKEDONIA and only modern historian paint athens and sparta as greece. Wonder why. That alone shows how little history you know. Greece did ot existed back there. He even said on the video. Greece were city state its with different rules. The rules on Athens didnot apply to any other city state. Greece didnot existed back there. But you take half the history trying to make a point while throwing the other half to the trash cuz it counter the point you try to makes
@@FIRE-zt6vw what did Demosthenes say ?
Ancient Macedonians Had Different Culture Traditions Customs Than GREEKS. Macedonians Are A Different Ethnicity Than Greeks.
thats not true, read or do not make these stupid claims
Nope. Only Greeks were invited to the Olympics. Plenty of evidence for this. Crack a book, google General Tito.
@@yanapostolides601 yes only Greeks Were invited and Macedonians weren't the only reason Phillip the 2 II participated in the Olympics is Beacuse the ancient Greek orator and politician Demosthenes was afraid of potential Macedonian invasion so to make better relations with Macedonia he let Phillip to participate in the Olympics.
@@Kruni-vz6eg it sounds like you are twisting his words. To clear things up, Philip the 2nd participated in olympics because he was greek first and foremost. The relationship between different parts of ancient greece was always rocky, and therefore there was always worry that war would break out between them, which explains why Philip the 2nd was allowed to participate.
It is silly to speak of macedonia as its own, seperate thing from greece, just as its silly to speak of athena, and their empire, as seperate from greece. They are both hellenic empires, and therefore were both allowed to participate in the olympics.
@illbeback3168 One of the founders of the IMRO (Macedonian Revolutionary organisation) Krste Misirkov wrote in his book "On Macedonian Matters" *_"Our fathers and grandfathers and Great grandfathers were called Bulgarians, and we also called ourselves Bulgarians"_* In the Balkan wars the region of Macedonia had been under Ottomnan Turkish rule for near on 500 years. In 1911 Ottoman Macedonia had a mixed population of
1) Bulgarians 1,250,000
2) Greeks (Last remaining Descendants of ancient Macedonians) 250,000
3) Turks 500,000
4)Albanians 120,000
5)Aromanians 90,000
6Jews 75,000
8) Roma Gypsies 50,000
In the Balkan wars with the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, Greeks, Bul;garians and Serbs fought over the region of Macedonia, Macedonia was finally annexed by Greece and it became part of Greece again as it was in Ancient times when it was a Hellenic Kingdom. Slavic macedonians (ie Bulgarians) who arrived in the Balkans in the 7th century AD inhabited mostly the northern parts of Macedonia, whilst pushing the Greeks down into the southern parts of Macedonia. Of course Slavic Macedonians aka Macedonian slavs (i.e. Bulgarians) have no connection with antiquity or the ancient Greek tribe of Macedonians and now inhabit the region of ancaient Paeonia (Modern Republic of North Macedonia) . Macedonia was an ancient Greek Kingdom from 800 BC to 195 BC, after which it declined after Greece was conquered by the Romans.
You talk nonsense. Krste Misirkov was not one of the founders of the IMRO and probably not even their member. The founders of IMRO were: Ivan Hadzhinikolov (from Kilkis), Hristo Batandzhiev (Goumenissa), Andon Dimitrov (Ayvatovo near Thessaloniki), Dame Gruev (Smilevo near Demir Hisar), Hristo Tatarchev (Resen) and Petar Pop Arsov (Bogomila near Veles). Misirkov was not a revolutionary, but more of a linguist and scholar. He fought with a pen, not with a sword.
@@illbeback3168 Small point, but thats not the point I'm trying to make, I'm pointing out to the fact that Misirkov was saying they were all Bulgarians who were trying to create and invent a "Macedonian" ethnic nationalism out of the Bulgarian population of Macedonia. that is the point Misirkov was making.
KRSTE PETKOV MISIRKOV roden 1874 vo MAKEDONIJA .
KRSTE MISIRKOV E MAKEDONEC i avtor na knigi na Makedonski jazik.
Bro there is no debate 😂😂😂
Greece was under Ottoman Occupation for 370 years. 1453 marked the end of the Greek Byzantine Empire. The last ruler of the Greeks was the Emperor Constantine Paleologos, There were many Greek rebellions against Ottoman rule notably the Orlov Revolt of 1770 which had the support of Catherin the Great of Russia.
The Greek Rebelion of 1821 against Ottoman rule succeded in establishing the first Greek state for 370 years under its first president Ioannis Capodistrias. Ioannis Capodistrias, a distinguished diplomat and ex Head of the Foreign Affairs Ministry of Russia was the first Head of the Greek State. Having clashed with the local elite because of his modernization program - which limited their power - and not succeeding at allaying the, unjustified, suspicions of Great Britain that he might be too friendly to Russian interests in the region, he was murdered in 1831.
The weak-willed Otto was considered to be quite tractable (by virtually any of the Great Powers of the time) therefore the perfect candidate, in the 1832 London conference (not in the previous, 1830 London conference). To have a Republic in Europe at the time was, for most people, both unthinkable and would raise the suspicions ( and ire) of the Great Powers for being social revolutionaries. After the final defeat of Napoleon the European monarxhies wanted to return to the previous status quo - and stay there.
The story of the SLavs is not invented. The SLavs did indeed migrate into eastern Europe from the Middle Dnieper of the Ukraine in the middle ofthe first millenium AD, and Bulgarian SLavs would migrate and settle in the Balkans and in the northern parts of Byzantine Greek Macedonia in the 7th century AD.
In 1453 the Byzantine Greek Empire was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, After the Greek rebellion of 1821 the Greeks would slowly reconquer their ancient territories from the Ottoman Turks. The last Ottoman stronghold in Europe was the Ottoman administrative region of Macedonia that the Ottoman Turks had created, in 1912 the Greeks liberated the ancient Greek territory of Macedonia from Turkish Occupation and then drove back the Bulgarians from taking Thessaloniki.
The Ottoman Admistrative region of Macedonia was thus split three ways, the part of it known as Ancient Paeonia went to Serbia (modern Republic of North Macedonia), *Ancient Macedonia (of Alexander the Great) went to Greece (Moden Greek Macedonia)* , and Pirin went to Bulgaria.
Thus the population of the modern country called Republic of North Macedonia is composed of 54% Bulgarians, 10% Serbians, 29% Albanians and the rest are Turks and Roma Gypsies.
Rafellagaribaldi... With 54% Bulgars Why doesn't FYROM join Bulgaria? There are no Macedonians (descendants of Macedonians of whom one was Alexander) in FYROM😳?
NO... they are Macedonians, not Bulgarians. Why are you so frightened of Macedonians. Are you a descendent of Demosthenes?
@@libechacos2378 So called slavomacedonians of the Republic of North Macedonuia are Bulgarians who started calling themselves "Macedonans" in a regional sense in the 19th century, since the region of Macedonia had been settled on by Bulgarians in the medieval era , circa 7th century AD.
Before the 19th century the SLav Macedonians still self identified as Bulgarians.
Of course there is NO CONNECTION with the ancent Greek tribe of Macedonians of th ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia of Alexander the Great
@@libechacos2378 Am I a descendant of Demosthenes?? Don't know, did Demosthenes have children??
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 Byzantine Greek empire is clearly a fictional term with no base in history. Do you have any contemporary sources that call it that? Apparently Demosthenes did have a daughter
Argead dynasty is the origin of Northern Greece ,originally from Argos ,
Thats Alexander's lineage
His Mum was Also Greek
Greek at the time is Hellenistic Culture, city and kindom states fiighting for lesdership
Except Sparta
tatko na ALEKSANDAR ---- FILIP KRAL NA MAKEDONIJA.
majka na ALEKSANDAR ---- OLIMPIJA Princeza od EPIR .
Video with theme Alexander's origin , has no future anymore. Everybody knows the answer.
Whats the answer then
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"...do not forget Alexander .It was for Greece that you launched your whole expedition, to add Asia to Greece ..."
-Arrian [Anabasis of Alexander 4.11.7]
«...καὶ ἐγὼ τῆς Ἑλλάδος μεμνῆσθαί σε ἀξιῶ, ὦ Αλέξανδρε ἧς ἕνεκα ὁ πᾶς στόλος σοι ἐγένετο, προσθεῖναι τὴν Ἀσίαν τῇ Ἑλλάδι ..»
-Ἀρριανός [Ἀλεξάνδρου Ἀνάβασις 4.11.7]
Love the discussion guys!
What do Ethnologists/Anthropologists say??
[David H Levinson, Anthropologist, Ethnoilogist, Encyclopaedia of World Cultures, p. 239]
*_"It should be noted that there is NO CONNECTION between the ancient Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were related to other Greek tribes,..........and the modern so-called slav Macedonians of today (of the Republic of North Macedonia) who are of Slavic origin and related to the Bulgarians""_*
also the slavs that are now ''north macedonians'' came around the 6th century ad 900 years after alexander
Macedonia like all the greeks were participating in the Olympics and were part of the amphictyonic league
Then why Alexander the First had to prove something to participate in the Olympics? Wasn't an undeniable fact that he was Greek? Why Demosthenes said what he said? Why there was always some mistrust or disdain towards the ancient Macedonians? Obviously there was something fishy about their "greekness".
@@longingforthesouth9198 Wow you are really stretching it now, yes he proved he was Greek enough lol, Macedonian king came from a Peloponnese lineage. Nothing fishy. Athenians thought everyone who was still ruled by kings to be barbarians and they made Greeks from backwater prove it. Modern North Macedonia is a confection and a result of communism. Google General Tito or Just crack a book. Communists kills culture. Also hero worship is for small penis clan folk. As Diogenes said to Alexander "You're in my sun bro get out of the way" (Paraphrased a little maybe). Of Course Alexander did have some class, "If I were not Alexander then I would like to be Diogenes" Cleopatra was Black what utter BS.
Macedonian not North Macedonian
And macedonians meant greek
Well,
Alexander himself:
" ..... we on the contrary, shall fight for *_Greece (Ελλάς)_* , and our hearts will be in it "
Arrian Anabasis Book II, 7
Alexander's speech before Battle of Issus
@@wankawanka3053 MACEDONIANS ARE MACEDONIANS.
you fool .
What Macedonia means in Bulgarian? Nothing. Your language is Bulgarian.
On the contrary Μακεδονες mean tall men in greek language.
Αλεξανδρος means protector of men.
Φίλιππος his father means friend of horse.
You are a slav. That's it
He is Greek he is not north Macedonian at all
Hello my fellow Australian. You have started by asking the wrong question. To give you some context, my Dad is from Macedonia and my Mum is from Scotland. They both immigrated to Australia 65 years ago or so. I was born in Queanbeyan just near Canberra. FYI North Macedonian is NOT a nationality, my Dad has never been to 'north Macedonia ' let me now put your question into context. As an Australian, how would you answer this question, is Albert Namitjira South Australian, or from the Central Australian Territory? Or maybe he's Dutch, since he comes from New Holland. Although since he spoke English, he must have been English? Like I said, you're starting with the wrong question my fellow Australian.
Macedonians 🇬🇷 are Greeks
Alexander himself:
" ..... we on the contrary, shall fight for *_Greece (Ελλάς)_* , and our hearts will be in it "
Arrian Anabasis Book II, 7
Alexander's speech before Battle of Issus
@@croatianapoxyomenos3184 no my ignorant friend. Macedonians are not Greek. Just because the national socialists of the country of Greece say something doesn't mean it's true. Alexander and Phillip conquered the Hellenes. And used politics in his speeches to manifest a connection.
@@libechacos2378
My uneducated friend.
I'm a historian i can tell you about evidence for Macedonians 🇬🇷 being Greek for the next 5 days.
Just tell me why Alexander's grandparents were these Greeks:
Amyntas and Evridike (Philip's parents)
Neoptolemos and Andromachi (Olympia's parents)
@@croatianapoxyomenos3184 Phillip wasn't a Hellene, neither were any of the Macedonians. Epirus was as Hellene as the today's Irish are English. Every man and his dog claimed descendancy from Heracles from that age, so I hope you have better historical evidence than those myths. Of course I'm sure you won't mention Demosthenes, as he was just being political in his rants. And you'll probably try and tell me that Alexander's speech at the trial of philotas never happened. Am I close so far?
@@libechacos2378
If you were educated you'd know the answers easily but i justify you since you are not Greek and you speak about the Greek history of Macedonia 🇬🇷:
1. Philip's parents were these 2 Greeks: Amyntas and Evridike
Philip participated in Olympics 3 times because he was Greek
2. Alexander and Macedonians 🇬🇷 spread Hellenisn and made their native Greek language the Lingua Franca of that time
3. Epiros kings were called Aiakides because of Greek king Aiakos' dynasty.
4. Descedancy from Heracles concerned only the felliow Greeks
You forgot to mention that Greece occupied the aegean part of Macedonia in 1913 with the treaty of Buchurhest, Greece didn't have that territory before 1913.
Hahahahah you slavs aren't macedonians and that territory is the actual macedonia which we retook from the turks not you🎪🇲🇰🎪
Thats right, the territory of Macedonia belonged to the Ottoman Turks before 1913, who took it from the Byzantine Greeks in 1400 AD.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 The ottoman turks before the treaty of Bucharest ruled for 500 years , in those years they collected taxes from the local people who lived in that land and so in their archives you can see the names of the people who lived there before the ottomans came. The Turks have published them u can find them online and see what kind of names are there.
@@sonofhetfield8554 Indeed in the Archives of the Turks the population of Macedonia are listed as Bulgarians, Greeks, Turks, Albanians, Jewish folk and Roma.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 and the most important one Macedonians
Are u Greeks serious? Im Macedonian Im born in the Republic of Macedonia but my ancestry test shows that 90% of my genes are from where Macedonian kingdoms used to be.When People from North Macedonia say they are Macedonians they do not refer to the so-called North Macedonia as a politically established country which we will never accept that name,but we call ourselves Macedonians because we belong to Macedonian Nation. So Macedonian nation exists and no-one in the world can tell me that im not. My ancestors were Macedonians. Greeks even now have darker skin because their Ancestors are from Africa. Macedonians are white Alexander was white too with blond hair And his nationality from his father's side was Macedonian from his mother's side was Greek. Obviously, he being blond shows that he had more of his father’s genes rather than his mother’s genes But growing up he was more under the influence of Hellenistic culture and traditions because his mom was Greek and his father was too busy with conquering and spreading the Macedonian empire instead of taking care of his son education and rising him.
And truth is Greece didn’t exist back then and it wasn’t a country. The Macedonian nation existed and the Macedonian empire did too. Also, Greeks and Macedonians are different nations Period. He had mixed blood and he belonged to Macedonians as much as he belonged to the Hellenistic nation of modern-day Greeks.Instead of accepting the fact that we share the same history at some point and having in mind that his mission was to create the Macedonian empire to unite the nations all of this competition between Greeks and Macedonians is nonsense
😅😅😅😅,do you really write this bullshit
😂😂😂😂😂
so your genes are Greek then??
🤣you must be the stupidest person
Φίλε μου τι έχει πεει ο κύριος κλικορφ πρώτος προθηπουρος της βόρεια Μακεδονία είμαστε σλαβικό φίλο
"North Macedonian" doesnt exist. Its just Macedonian.
Niorth Macedonia is the name of the republic created in 1944 by the Yugoslav communists. The real original ancient Macedonia is in northern Greece.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 1944. Yugoslavia.
drndaj .
In that time Macedonia existed but Greece not not as identity or kingdom or word greece, Macedonia had kingdom army identity everything. Greece was created in 19 century by uk, France and Germany just to push Ottomans from the Balkan later gained more territories in 1913 part of Macedonia. And propaganda goes until today greece in 19 century adopted Makedon Koinon language and first king Otto from Bavaria
Demosthenes for Philip:
O men of Athens, from what Philip did to the Hellenes in the space of less than thirteen years, while he was at the top. It is a fifth of this, no more. I leave aside Olynthus, Methona, and Apollonia, and thirty-two cities in Thrace, all of which he destroyed so mercilessly, that, if any one had ever been there, he would hardly have said that they were inhabited. I also keep silent about the destruction of such a people - the Phocaeans. But what about Thessaly? Didn't he destroy the rights of the citizens and their cities, and set up tetrarchy to enslave him not only in the cities, but also in the tribes?
and Alexander is a man who thought it was good to take the culture of the Hellenes, the Persians from the Egyptians and others... so it's not just the Hellenes who write that everywhere, and he didn't spread the Macedonian culture and language, why didn't they have it in writing, they just spoke it to this day there is nothing in ancient Macedonian...don't find it on the internet, it's all lies added by the Greeks to deceive the world...until the Bucharest peace agreement, Macedonia exists even though it is under Turkish slavery...as now Israel is cleaning them the Palestinians from their country and the Greeks made a civil war in 1946 and killed and persecuted almost all the Macedonians who still have documents from the Turks that they own land there for which they paid taxes to the Turks while they were under their slavery, but who will give it to them these abominations of Greeks who do not exist who are invented by England. The Hellenes were a people that disappeared after the conquest of Philip II, the rest is a common history with the Macedonians until Byzantium, and after Byzantium, the Hellenes are nowhere to be found, while the Macedonians are there... and please don't spread misinformation...
Macedonian
Alexander 🇲🇰 💯 %
Macedonian Greek*
@@Kristian89 ALEXANDER MACEDONIAN * * *
c'ao .
Alexander was a Macedonian Greek. That is he was from the northern Greek tribe of Macedonians. So yesAlexander was Macedonian but the ancien Macedonians of northern Greece were a Hellenic/Greek tribe.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 "Macedonian" and conquerer of "City Satates"/Greece.and the story is over
I Picked Greek I Like greek
correct
Yay I Got Right Is Greek I'm Connect Also North Macedonia Steal The 8 points Of the Greek sun And Steal The history of Greece
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 nah, it's not universally accepted that the Ancient Macedonians were Greek. The athenian orator Demosthenes clearly considered them non-Greeks and barbarians, and he hated them from the bottom of his heart.
@@illbeback3168 You don't know a lot, Demosthenes was a politician, he defended the Republic.He hated Philip because Philip was the exact opposite, he was a King who wanted to turn Greece into a united imperial Greece, and do away with the Republic.They were two political systems on opposite sides of the political spectrum. Demosthenes called Philip a "barbarian" as an insult, it was just political rhetoric designed to formulate political policy. You see the term "barbarian " had many meanings in ancint Greece, it meant:
1) being backward thinking
2)Uncivilised in behaviour
3) It was used as a generic insult
4)Athenians called other Greek tribes barbarians especially if their local dialect of Greek was unintelligible.
Macedonians were considered backward and uncivilised. But they were considered Greeks.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391, that's your personal interpretation. You can't exactly know what Demosthenes had in mind when he said all that, unless you communicate with ghosts.
Why such a question?? The Republic of North Macedonia (formerly Vardar Banovina) was a state that was created in 1944 out of the southern Serbian region of Vardar Banovina, and the name "Macedonia" invented for it. Its population are 50% Bulgarians, 10% Serbs, 30% Albanians and 10% Turks/Roma Gypsies. why would it have anything to do with the ancient Greek tribe of Macedonians
Good video crazy how people want Alexander the Great to be from their country. Even tho he was a Napoleon hitler type of guy enough time has passed were that shit matter and you look at just the influence they have from a history perspective.
Yes that’s right! The fact that he referred to as ‘The Great’ for all the atrocities committed is astounding!
It's not crazy if you consider that it goes WAY beyond where a famous person's nationality lies. The Bulgarians of FYROM do not only claim Alexander, whose mother was from another Greek kingdom called Epirus, they claim the land and history as well. Even today they have maps on their schools with much of north Greece under what their country "should be" according to their irredentist claims. Some times I wish I could live in a country that has no past or future and see the world from the nihilistic perspective just to see how it feels to be this ignorant, perhaps I would be happier.
This is a Very Close-Minded Viewpoint, the Debate has much Wider Implications than simply claiming a Conqueror.
Read the Gentleman above me & Educate yourself before showing how blatantly Ignorant you are on the subject.
@@Proud2bGreek1 what are you proud about? You post nonsense on TH-cam. North Macedonia renounced any claim to Alexander the Great with the Prespa Agreement (2018), even though the country has some ancient Macedonian archaeological sites: Heraclea Lynkestis, Lychnidos, Stymbara etc. The term 'Macedonia' did not remain fixed only around Pella and Vergina, where it originally emerged, but it expanded. The Kingdom of Macedon conquered Pelagonia, Paeonia and other places up north (now in N. Macedonia). The Romans named that Macedonia Salutaris. So, North Macedonia is not using the M-word for no valid reason. The term expanded so much, that in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13, Macedonia was defined as a region from Thessaloniki to Skopje and from Pogradec to the Pirin Mts. You are probably reffering to those maps. In that war, Greece, Serbia, Bugaria and Albania partitioned this (expanded) Macedonia, while the locals in the region suffered. Greece conquered 50% of it. This territory never belonged to Greece before 1912 and Alexander never belonged to her. Greece was formed in 1822. Greece should too renounce Alexander. He should be left in the ancient times, like Babylon or the pharaohs. And you also have irredentists in Greece and maps of the Megali Idea, we're not blind.
@@illbeback3168 Fakedonia violated the horrible treaty of 2018 literally hundreds of times already. The difference between Fakedonia and Greece is that we don't fill our children's heads with irredentist ideas regarding any country.
Never North! Macedonia ❤
Actually Reoublic of North Macedonia was NEVER Macedonia in its history. It was actually the Vardar Banovina of Serbia. The Name "Macedonia" was invented for it in 1944 because Yugoslavia wanted to invade and annexe the northern Greek region of Macedonia.
North of Macedonia 🇬🇷
@@tatjanavelkova5814
Why you turkobulgarians 🇲🇰 talk?
Wrong.
Its not 25 centuries
It's 29 centuries Greek history of Macedonia:
Since first Macedonian 🇬🇷 king Karanos established the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia in 9th century BC at first Macedonian capital Αιγαί (Aegai= goat place)
*_Μακεδονία 🇬🇷💙_*
(Greek word Makedonia written on all ancient inscriptions and texts)
@@hvar-pharosisland2268......... dzamp
in bg wc.
what did demosthenes say about Philip? Did he not say that Philip is not Greek but a Macedonian ?
Politician pull these type of insults regularly what about isocrates ? A fan of Panhellenism who instructed phillip to unite hellas and fight the persians ??? What do you have to say about that ?
@@wankawanka3053 well the Greeks listened to demosthenes they were always fighting to liberate themselves from the Macedonians (Lamian war) and when they couldn’t they went and cried to Rome, that’s why Greeks ceased to exist and Macedonians didn’t there was no Greeks in the Middle Ages only Romioi and Macedonians.
@@DOOMMAKEDONIA romioi and macedonians 😂😂😂 nice freaking joke right there how come the name macedonian is never mentioned by the turks ? Also big deal greeks always fought with each other remember plataea ? A town that thebes destroyed twice and was rebuilt by guess who Phillip the second to honour the greek victory over the Persians 😏 and speaking about thebes they sided with the Persians during the greco Persian wars does this make them not greek ???
@@DOOMMAKEDONIA since you know about the lamian war then why was amfissa and boetia with macedon ????? Weren't they greeks ???
@@DOOMMAKEDONIA and finally why was Thessalonica clearly macedonian city included in the panhellenion by emperor Hadrian ???you made it clear that the romans knew the difference between greek and macedonian yet it seems they had zero problem putting macedonian cities in a League specifically made for greeks 😏🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪
Modern country "North Macedonia", is a name created by the Yugoslav comintern in 1944, for the Vardar Banovina region of southern Serbia. They created this Republic because the Yugoslav leaders wanted to invade and annexe the northern Greek region of Macedonia (ancient Macedonia) so that they would have access to the Aegean via its port of Thessalonik. The Population of the Republic of North Macedonia is 50% Bulgarians, 10% Serbs, 30% Albanians and 10% Turks and Romany Gypsies.
Nonsense. The idea for a separate (slavic) Macedonian nation emerged in the 19th century with thinkers such as Krste Misirkov (1874 - 1926), who was born in Pella, the birthplace of Alexander the Great. Misirkov considered his people Slavic, but they were certainly Macedonian in the regional sense. They lived there for centuries. Also, the Slavs mingled with the pre-slavic populations and absorbed some of their genes. There were similar thinkers before him, like Georgi Pulevski (1817 - 1893) and Isaija Mažovski (1852 - 1926), who even claimed that the slavic Macedonians are descendants of the ancient Macedonians, but this is often dismissed as ahistorical romanticism. But in any case, these guys existed ages before communist Yugoslavia was created. And according to the last census, N. Macedonia has 58.44% ethnic Macedonians, but note that lot of them boycotted it, cause they felt that it will be rigged in favour of the albanian minority. Another problem is whether we will count only the residential population or also the diaspora in Australia, Canada, US etc. Many people are leaving for economic reasons.
before 25 centuries PELLA ------ MACEDONIAN LAND .
ALEXANDER THE GREAT is born in MAKEDONIJA ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Yes Alexander was born in Pella the ancient capital of Macedonia in northern Greece.
non he didnt existed
The issue is not geographical in essence, as Greece geographically is not the same throught the centuries. The basis of the argument is the ETHNICITY AND CULTURE. Was is TODAY called North Macedonia is a mixture of Slavs, Bulgarians etc and not Greeks. Alexander was Greek, spoke Greek, his teachers were Greek , his parents were Greek and spread Hellenism to the world. It is like saying that if from now on we call Mexico, New York instead of Mexico, then the people of Mexico are New Yorkers and not Mexican. You can call North Macedonia, Macedonia, or Australia or Sweden .... it doesn't change who they really are and certainly it doesn't change who Alexander the Great was.
Macedonia was never a part of Greece, Greece was a part of the Macedonian empire.
Same language, same gods, callimg themselves greeks. But you know better
Write a text in English and use google translator to translate it first in the so called '' slavic macedonian language'' and then translate the same text in Bulgarian. You will easy understand that the 'slavic ''macedonian'' is absolutly the same language to Bulgarian language.
Alexadar Macedonian, greece is MACEDONIA
your story is not corect
Mean greek or macedonian 😂
Of course,Alexander and the Macedonians were Greeks.
Aristotle would never have gone to Macedonia and never would have tutored
Alexander the Great if they hadn't been Greeks.
This is asuming Aristotel was Greek? Aleksander surname was Karanovic.This does not sound Greek to me. Greeks came to the area presumebly from LYdia in todays Turkey 800-500 BC and Slavic predecesors had a real civilisation with writing script,metalury,calendar,stationary farming,smelting copper and adding Arsenicum etc. BUT,the Greeks had arms from stone but no agricultural tools,so I guess this explains it all.
Do DNA test🧬
Bulgarian
@@wankawanka3053........... djubre .
He is Macedonian and its not north is only macedonians and to all the greeks crybabies who are gonna reply to this comment i dont care this is our history
More like your 1944 history 🤡
Ubo I'm go bapna
@@TheZdojcin Da🇲🇰💪
This is our history and you west bulgarian know that!!! WE THE REAL MACEDONIANS EXIST AND WE WILL NOT LET YOU LIE PASS!!! Long live Alexander 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
you nailed it. You don’t care is the absolutely right sentence for many people in N.Macdeonia with Slavic background.
No north Macedonia just Macedonia
No, the Republic of North Macedonia was NEVER Macedonia in its history. It was originally the Vardar Banovina region of southern Serbia, It got named Macedonia in 1944 by the Yugoslav Comintern because they wanted to invade and annex the northern Greek region of Macedonia. The original ancient Macedonia of Alexander the Great is 100% in northen Greece and is the Greek region of Macedonia.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 better to join serbia then
No north Macedonia or Macedonia. Skopjia and if you like it other wise bulagaria or Serbia
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391, nonsense. The Kingdom of Macedon did not remain fixed only around Pella and Vergina, where it originally emerged, but it conquered Pelagonia, Paeonia and other areas up north, where it spread the name 'Macedonia'. The Romans named this Macedonia Salutaris or Secunda, which is now in North Macedonia. So the M-word was used there, ages before the Yugoslav communists. "Vardar Banovina" was a name imposed by the serbian occupator and was never chosen by the locals. They called the area Macedonia and joined the Internal MACEDONIAN Revolutionary Organization, formed in Thessaloniki in 1893, that fought for freedom of Macedonia (as they saw it). Their definition of Macedonia was from Thessaloniki to Skopje and from Pogradec to the Pirin Mts.
@@illbeback3168 The actual ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia is 95% northern Greece's region of Macedonia. Territory like Paeonia etc were conquered by the Macedonians, but these territories were dependencies,they were NEVER part of the Kingdom of Macedonia, they were part of the Macedonian Empire like Tyre and Babylon and Ephesus and Tyre etc etc but Paeonia etc were NEVER Macedonia. Its immaterial what the Romans did, back in Rome they made maps and divided the Balkans up into Roman provinces with weird names.But that was from the Roman perspective, on the ground nothing changed. The region called Republic of North Macedonia was never Macedonia in its history, it went by many different names, It started off as ancient Paeona, Roman province of Macedonia secunda, Theme-Bulgaria, Bulgaria, Imperium Romanum, Romania, Vilajet Monastir, Vilajet Kosovo, Old Serbia, South Serbia, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Democratic federal Yugoslavia, Vardar Banovina, Peoples Republic of Macedonia (1944) Peoples socialist republic of Macedonia, FYROM.
Who is more Macedonian and more related to Alexander the Great? a) Krste Misirkov (1874 - 1926), who promoted the idea for a separate (slavic) Macedonian nation and who was born in Pella, the birthplace of Alexander the Great. Or b) The greek invaders from Athens, who conquered Macedonia in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13 and who systematically settled refugees from Asia Minor there after 1923 (Karamanlides, Laz and others) in order to change the ethnic make up of the region. The answer is clear: the slavic Macedonians are more Macedonians. They lived in the geographical region of Macedonia for centuries, they certainly mingled with the pre-slavic populations and absorbed some of their genes, and they still live in what became "Greek Macedonia" after 1912 - in Florina, Kastoria, Edessa.... and even in Pella.
That is yesterdays events . the thing is that you cannot connect the slavic population of the macedonian geografical area and the hellenic inhabitants 2500 YEARS AGO. Macedonians by definition since recorded history began have been proclaiming strongly their hellenism . (milion of surviving artifacts exit to prove that )
the only connection between slavic population coming later on on to the area is simply their presense on the macedonian Land , nothing cultural , liguistic or alphabettical connection exists .
@@kalathasl, it's not universally accepted that the Ancient Macedonians were Greek (see: Demosthenes), but let's say that they were. Their kingdom died ages ago and the area later became predominantly slavic. Greece was formed in 1822 and has no continuity with the ancient greek states, neither politically, nor ethnically, cause the modern Greeks are assimilated: Arvanites, Aromanians, Slavs etc. In a way you confirmed that slavic Macedonians do live in what was once Ancient Macedonia, tho Greece denies this. She conquered the area in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13 and this never belonged to her previously. The Slavs live there for 1500 yrs and they mixed with the locals. The Slavs were born on that land, they built villages on it, they cultivated it, they ate vegetables from it and drank water from it and they waged wars on it and they're are buried in it. They became Macedonians and had their Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization, formed in Thessaloniki in 1893. They're more Macedonian than Karavangelis from Lesbos and his gangs from Crete and Peloponese; more than the Athenians, who arrived in the 1912; and more than the Karamanlides, who arrived in 1923. The Greeks also claim that only the area around Pella, Vergina and Thess/niki can be called 'Macedonia', but the ancient kingdom expanded up north in Pelagonia, Paeonia etc. The term 'Macedonia' spread there, the Romans had a province Macedonia Salutaris there, so North Macedonia is not using the M-word without a valid reason. Macedonia (the original one) was maybe greek, but things changed - the term acquired new meanings and meant different things to different people. It also drastically expanded from it's original boundaries - from Thess/niki to Skopje and from Pogradec to the Pirin Mts. It belongs to all it's inhabitants. The only solution is the one proposed by IMRO - a multiethnic Independent Macedonia, Switzerland in the Balkans.
@@illbeback3168 Its not MY interpretation of Demosthenes. I'm just reporting on what classics scholars know about Demosthenes.Scholars will tell you that Demosthene's speeches against Philip were pure political rhetoric. Just read the speeches of Demosthenes, His language becomes stronger and stronger and it wasn't untill literally Philip was in Boeotia, in the outskirts of Athens, that Demosthenes finally broke down and called Philip a barbarian. He never ever called Philip a barbarian before. And in fact Aeschynus, another Athenian politician, berated Demosthenes for the prejudice that he fomented against Philip at a meeting of the Ahenian popular assembly saying Philip was entirely Greek!!!
@@illbeback3168 Modern Greeks are indeed descendants of ancient Greeks Now, ancient DNA reveals that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos). Ever since the days of Homer, Greeks have long idealized their Mycenaean "ancestors" in epic poems and classic tragedies that glorify the exploits of Odysseus, King Agamemnon, and other heroes who went in and out of favor with the Greek gods. Now DNA actually confirms that today's Greeks descend from the actual Mycenaeans, who created a famous civilization that dominated mainland Greece and the Aegean Sea from about 1600 B.C.E. to 1200 B.C.E.,
@@illbeback3168 Just because the Bulgarian SLavs came to the ancient Greek region of Macedonia in the 7th century AD (1000 years after Alexander the Great lived) pitched tent and pissed on the ground doesn;'t mean Macedonia is theirs. Macedonia was an ancient Gree Kingdom since antiquity (800 BC)
There are only Macedonians and the Macedonians proved with DNA that are only Macedonian but the population in Greece proved with DNA that is Turkish and Arab and Armenian.
Your dna says bulgarian so why cry🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰😉
@@wankawanka3053 I am Swedish and there is no bulgarian DNA the Bulgarians are extinct Turkic Tribe. The most dominant male DNA in Bulgaria is the Lybian/Berber E haplogroup Y-chromosome DNA that came from the Arab states in Greece such as the Emirate of Crete that ruled with Athens and the Arab invasion of Thrace during the Arab-Roman wars. This E haplogroup Y-chromosome DNA is not related to the Macedonian Mesolithic Proto-European I haplogroup Y-chromosome DNA that originates only from the Macedonian people and this Macedonian DNA proves that the Macedonians are the Pelasgians the native population on the Peninsula that is why they named their Ancient Macedonian Capital Pella.
@@wankawanka3053 Now Greece and Bulgaria can die from Envy 🥴
@@dove5591 haha the west bulgaroskis are the envious ones always claiming our lands 😉 but guess what they will never have them soon they'll be a new kosovo with all the Albanians in fyrom anyway🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪😂😂😂
@@dove5591 and I'm chines 😉
This streamer is a joke to compare Alexander the Great as a North Macedonian. In times of antiquity there was only the Kingdom of Macedonia, there was no North Macedonia as a political identity and Macedonia was a monarchy not a city state as stated by the streamer. In addition, the streamer should become familiar with the Treaty of Bucharest of 1913 of what is Macedonia. Funny how the streamer quotes Herodotus and Thucydides who both describe the MACEDONIANS AS FOREIGNERS, a distinct people living outside of the frontiers of the greek city-states. However, if you read the Greek scholars from antiquity, they on several occasions highlight the fact that Macedonians are not Greek. For example, Plutarch in Alexander 47 quotes Alexander himself when he states "...calling them to witness that while he was WINNING THE INHABITED WORLD FOR THE MACEDONIANS", notice he doesn't say Greeks. If Alexander were greek, why does he make fun of them, as shown in Plutarch, Alexander 51, when quoting Alexander "....DO NOT THE GREEKS APPEAR TO YOU TO WALK ABOUT AMONG MACEDONIANS LIKE DEMI-GOODS among wild beasts?" If Alexander were greek would he make fun of himself, of course not. Or how about Arrain, in Anabasis Alexander, Book VII, Chap XI, when Alexander at Opis prays that his MACEDONIAN Empire would be run in"...harmony and community of rule might exist between the Macedonians and Persians", he never mentions the greeks. How about the Grand Daddy of them all, when Demosthenes in his writings Philippic III Section 31, where he says "...though he is not only no greek, nor related to the greeks".In directing this to King Philip and Philip is the King of Macedon, then Demosthenes is showing that MACEDONIANS are not greek. Or when Demosthenes, in Plutarch, Age of Alexander, states "...to attack the MACEDONIANS AND DRIVE THEM OUT OF GREECE". Well if, Macedonians were greek, why then drive them out of greece, especially since he never made the same demand of Spartans even though the Spartans received cash to defeat the Athenians. The only way Demosthenes statement makes sense is because MACEDONIANS ARE NOT GREEK. Or how about when Polybius, in "The Histories" wrote of the Romans and they said "that what it was his duty to say was simple and obvious. HE DEMANDED THAT PHILIP SHOULD WITHDRAW FROM THE WHOLE OF GREECE". Clearly showing MACEDONIANS ARE NOT GREEK. Again, Polybius, "The Histories", Book XVIII, writes "...remained in Macedonia hands it was impossible for the Greeks to have any thought of liberty". Hmm, one category for the Macedonians and another category for the greeks, this is done because the 2 are different. Finally, after King Philip conquered all the greeks and formed the Hellenic League, Macedon was not a member, why because Macedonians were not Hellenes (ie Greek)
he is macedonian there are so many facts i cant even name them cause there are so many
Nope you cant name them cause they dont exist
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You cannot say North Macedonian. It's Macedonian from North Macedonia.
Ok bulgarian go cry to tito
I am sorry but there is a country called North Macedonia. Macedonia is in northern Greece. The ancient capital (Pella) of the ancient Macedonia is also there (Thesaloniki). You can go there and see, we have thousands of ancient relics there. All with Ancient Greek language. Sorry but you have been fooled.
*I re-watched the film "Alexander" (2004) and though it sides with the official greek position, it strenghtened my conviction that the Greeks are not linked to the ancient Macedonians. 1. Alexander is usually portrayed with a fair hair and skin, which is exactly how most Greeks don't look. They look like Levantines with a darker skin and hair. And tho Alexander was not a Slav - he looked like one. And many actors looked like that, too. 2. The Greeks were racist towards the "barbarians", but Alexander was a tolerant cosmopolitan and he even married one of them. 3. In the film, Aristotle says that the Greeks are superior to the eastern barbarians, cause the latter are uncapable of controling their urges and passions. In reality, the Greeks are the ones who act like that ("short fuse", loud outbursts, lack of tactfulness). Modern Greeks do not posses the qualities ascribed to the Ancient Greeks. As an example, search for the video where a Greek MP from the "Golden Dawn" party sIaps a Iady on live TV. 4. It's not universally accepted that the ancient Macedonians were Greeks (see: Demosthenes), so why this important fact was omitted from the film? Correct me if I missed it. 5. The historians use ambiguous wording like: "Macedonia was part of Greece" and "Macedonia conquered Greece" and then "Philip was Greek" and "He attacked the Greeks". There is such wording in the film, too. Though some see this conflict as a fratricidal war, some see it as: Macedonia conquered Greece as if it is a foreign country full of foreign people. In one scene, it is said that Macedonia "unites with Greece", which might be interpreted as an alliance with a foreign country / people.*
are you literally making a conclusion about whether he was Slav or Greek by the actors and the films??
That's because Oliver Stone did not include the word Greece at first,after political pressure,he got that in. And you are right. Macedonia and Greece were different
@@majamajaist Since when hollywood or other films are historical sources ?????????????????????????
@@rossfun9840 Historical sources say the same thing, it's just political. Especially ancient ones, around 50 of them. Feel free to check them out
@@majapetrovska1783 As an archaeologist myself, macedonians were greek , their language ,alphabet , names , toponyms , months names , coins ever found in Macedonia and everyone can see in all museums are greek , their religion , mythology and architecture are greek , demosthenes calles only king Phillip a barberian and not the macedonians because of political reasons , they participated i the olympic games where strictly only greeks allowed , the ottomans registered in Macedonia greeks and bulgarians and 0% macedonians Alexander the great spread the HELLENIC language and culture , the HELLENISTIC kingdoms , the HELLENISTIC world NOT the macedonian , IT IS univirsally accepted for centuries that they are greek , greek city-states and kingdoms were attacking each other many times in all greek history , Phillip wanted to unite greeks , Alexander was elected the leader of the greek federation by the greeks , the rest nonsense about modern greeks in the comment are siply that NONSENSE and have snything to do with history and archaeology , instead of demonstrating your historical ignorence and embaracing yourself in public here you should stop wathcing hollywood films and get yourself any ancient history book and visit any museum to see HELLENISTIC art and atrifacts
ALEXANDER IS MACEDONIAN
Yes indeed, ancient Macedonians were a northern Greek tribe fom Macedonia in northern Greece. NO CONNETION of course with the so-called "North Macedonians" of the modern country called Republic of North Macedonia who are a mx of people related to Bulgarians and Serbs, Albanians Turks and Gypsies.
MAKEDONIJA --- 25 VEKA e vo JUZ'NA EVROPA. od FILIP KRAL
NA MAKEDONIJA IV vek pred ovaa era i denes XXI vek ! ! !
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Yes ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia is in northern Greece with its capitals of PELLA and AEGAEI.
before 25 centuries FILIP MACEDONIAN KINGDOM ! ! ! ! !
How can he bee Greek when his Father was the king of Macedonia
There wer also the kings of Sparta and other states. Macedonia is Greek not fake north macedonia
How can leonidas from the 300 be greek when his father was king of sparta. No answer me that first.
His father was king of Macedonia
@@lukaspirov9580 well???
".. Your ancestors came to Macedonia and the REST of GREECE and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the GREEKS, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you .."
-Arrian
[Anabasis of Alexander 2.14.4]
To be precise, Alexander the Great was a Macedonian and a Slav. The theory that Slavs arrived in the Balkans in 600 A.D. is false. Slavs have always lived in the Balkans. The so called Greek language does not have its own etymology. Delve into it you will find it is a Slavic etymology.When the apostle Paul came to Athens he discovered idol worshipers and slave traders who did not work and argued about philosophy all day. These people were Arabs. Todays Greeks are a mixture of Slavs, Arabs and some others.(Sorry Greeks). Greece never ever existed until it was invented by Germans and British about 1830 and they put Germans on their throne.The Truth must be told.
You are a Flat Earther. No one in international academia advances your conspiracy theory. If we use your logic then the current inhabitants of North Macedonia did not exist until the independence of the country in 1991. See how foolish that sounds? Probably not to you. You have a shared history until 1945 with Bulgaria. You can never divorce yourselves from Bulgaria. Prespa cut your knees off making your government change your name and admit that you have no connection to Ancient Macedonia and Alexander (and actually have plaques around all your fake monuments saying so). By the way where are all the Bulgarian monuments and cemeteries in North Macedonia? Now Bulgaria is holding you accountable as they should and your government has agreed that a Bulgarian minority exists in NMK. During Ottoman times you attended Bulgarian churches, attended Bulgarian schools, created Bulgarian Macedon churches in the US, created the MPO, all your heroes are Bulgarian and we have evidence of that in their own writings, how many today in your country have requested and received Bulgarian pensions, and finally how long is the line on Zlatko Scjnader to to take your ethnicity oath and pick up your BG passport? Don't waste our time when the facts are clear. The UMD are a fraud. You are a fraud. And the most fanatical diasporas are in Australia, Canada, and the US.
Greece existed long before your country 🤡🤡 Αλέξανδρος and Φίλιππος are greek names and we can fully understand their meaning Alexander spoke greek he believed in greek gods,his idol was Achilles from Homer,and Macedonia was a greek city state that took part in olympic games and only greeks could take part in☺️you have nothing in common with ancient Macedonia or ancient Greece or soarta or whatever
The more you watch about ancient greece and the more you read you even become a bigger clown Αλέξανδρος means he who repels the enemies in greek, Φίλιππος means he who loves horses all the names are greek not Bulgarian
What slavic zaza are you smoking up there?
You need to read what is magna grecia then speak😂
Phillip , the father of Alexander defeated all the Hellenic states and United them as one Hellenic nation ...did you know that the word Hellenic does not carry any derogatory derivatives and that the word Greek does ...such as grekile or grekilos .A Greco's in our language is not a complimentary notion .And so l can continue.Do yourself a favour and learn about the history you were never taught at school .The Romans initially called us graichi and after 160 BC when they took the country they called us grechi .We then were from then on banned from using the word Hellenic on pain of prison or death . This victimization carried on through to 1860 when Falmeryer the school teacher refused to allow our people to officially call themselves Hellenes .Do some homework if you wish to talk about our history.I am saddened to see the general ignorance that exists among many European people The Chinese call us Ionan which is far closer to Hellenic than Grechi.A Grecos as a matter of interest is also a slave .
pred 25 veka FILIP KRAL NA MAKEDONIJA .
Is not Greek is Macedonian you have to Len better the history
Macedonia was/is an ancient Greek Kingdom in northern Greece. Capital is Thessaloniki
This Thessaloniki is the capital of noth Macedonia not Greek yours stolen from ass learn the history better than tolk
@@PeceGorevski-jz2nh
Why you call Alexander's sister Thessalonike as solun?
Macedonians 🇬🇷 say Thessalonike
Slavobulgarians 🇲🇰 say solun
24 veka od FILIP KRAL do 1913 TERITORIJA NA MAKEDONIJA
Kavala-------Solun-------Halkidiki so Egejsko more .
@@tatjanavelkova5814 Solun is the Bulgarian name for the ancient Greek city of Thessaloniki in Macedonia (Northern Greece) . the city was founded by Alexander's general Cassander who named it after Alexander's half sister thessaloniki
Forget about the borders today.. borders constantly change. Alexander is Macedonian who burnt down Athens. He is not Greek.
So with your logic Spartans were not greeks and athenians not greeks because they burnt all greek islands.
Weakest argument ever.
Alexander was callimg himself a greek. Read Arianos who wrote everything about Alexander.
Slavs are not greeks and slavs have names like Alexandrovic, djocovic, ismailovic etc
We are Macedonians they are Romioi LOL they are wannabes
I'm a Macedonian, I come from Thessaloniki, capital of Macedonia in nothern Greece
@@DOOMMAKEDONIA Difference here is I am a Greek Macedonian, Greek as the ancient Macedonians of Alexander the Great were Greeks.
You are a SLav Macedoniann, that is a Bulgarian who settled on the region of Macedonia in medieval period. and call yourselves "Macedonians" in a regional sense only. You have NO CONNECTION with the ancient Greek Macedonians.
Says the Bulgarian larper who doesn't even have his own language 💀💀💀🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 wannabe
@@wankawanka3053 deletes his comments like a little girl lol
If i speak English today and if i share the same values from west world culture, did that make me american or german?? He share helenic values but greeks hate him that time also his father they call them barbarians and they call themself civilisation. Filip II was the most hate person by the greeks. Read about the battle of Heronea how macedonians beat them, all of them united against Alexander and Filip II.
How insulated you people must be to ALL invariably make the same child like arguments that I could answer when i was a child myself? You're talking about the pre Hellenistic era in the 4th century BC, not the 21st century when globalization has changed everything. Even your grandparents in the 20th century spoke no other language than their Bulgarian dialect of Vardarska Banovina, things changed VERY recently.
Also Greeks fought and hated each other literally ALL the time. Thebans and Spartans hated each other, Athenians and Spartans hated each other, Athenians and Thebans hated each other, Messenians and Spartans hated each other etc. There were so many other wars between Greeks before the Greek Maceonians fought with other Greeks that your entire argument is rendered null and void. Try harder Bananovski.
Nah mate Philipp II fought the rest of the Greeks to unite the Greek states in order to fight the Persians and homer and Hesiod the most ancient historians agreed that he was greek what you're saying is you imagination
@@constantinexii8182 I suggest you edit your comment, I know what you meant, that Homer and Hesiod were talking about the Macedonians being Greek, Phillip II wasn't born yet.
@@Proud2bGreek1 exactly the other Greeks believed that the Macedonians were greek even before Philipp II so thats more proof that the Macedonians were Greeks
They didn't considered the Macedonians barbarians they considered them Greeks but they were mocking them because they weren't a democracy
ancient greeks is ethiopians, modern greeks is albanians, who made greece? bavaraian prince oto 1832 king of greece
The real original ancient Macedonia of Alexander the Great is in northern Greece The modern country called Republic of North Macedonia , formerly part of Yugoslavia) was a state created by the Yugoslav communists in 1944 out of the Vardar Banovina region of southern Serbia which was then re-named "Peoples socialist republic of Macedonia". The reason the Yugoslavs did this was as a preciursor to invading and and annexing the real original Macedonia in northern Greece. Unfortunately they never succeeded but the fake name remained.
No north, ancient macedonia
Ancient macedonia is greek you are north of Macedonia 🤣
@@wankawanka3053 Macedonia was never greek if it was it would have been called greece
@@sonofhetfield8554 Sparta, Athens and other states were also not called Greece, but they were Greek. The modern macedonians are slavs and slavs came to Europe in 800 AD
@@sonofhetfield8554 is like sayi g Paris is not france 😹
Average Skopje
@@akraioskariolhs thats what you said. You literally said paris isn't france with what you claim
His mother was Greek but his father was macedonian because there was no name in Greek culture like Filip or Aleksandar so that means he was macedonian and don't call us North Macedonian call us macedonian
Absolutely wrong. Both Alexander and Philippos were Greek names used all over Greece. There were other famous Greeks with the names Philippos and Alexander!!
His father was greek as well 😂
It literly means (protector of men for Alexander) and ( lover of horses for philip) in greek!!! How stupid can u be?!!
Alexanders mother was a n Epirote (Molossian) Greek, his father was a Macedonian Greek, Epirotes and Macedonians were related Greek tribes.
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 yes they were both DORIANS!!! but how those west bulgarians can understand!!!
Alexander was Hellenic . The graici or Greeks were a slightly different tribe who spoke a lingo similar to Hellenic ..stop using the word Greek .I think you English have a poor historical background .How would you like it if we insisted on calling you pommies .
Aristotle was from Macadonia, not greece
Ahahahah skip class
@@nicklordlighting5745 where was he born then?
So Aristotle is not Greek now also? You guys take some really great drugs up there in Western Bulgaria! 🤣
Macedonia was a northern Greek Kingdom.
@@SpartanLeonidas1821 that doesnt mean he was greek. Most "greeks" from pontus or the pontic greeks for example have caucasian Y DNA. Not greek y dna. But why were they considered greeks then? These macadonians are what they are. Macadonians
macedonian, send one map before 1832 where write greece
Alexander the Great Illyrian aka Albanian
Hellas
@@Eden_hazard7 Hellas my ass
@@gjimipThere is nothing in writing documents for or by albanians before 1200 Nothing
There is nothing in writing documents or archaeologicals that proofs albanians are Illyrians Nothing
Illyrians hadnt writing language and left nothing in texts. According Hecataius from Militos Greeks named these people Illyrians( greek name)
@@elenilepouri7253 according to these so called Greeks everything is Greek lol 😂. Albanians didn’t just land from out of space amigo we have been here and we will be here until the end. Alexander the Great is Albanian Illyrian tribe of Macedonia nothing to do with these dumbasses from far east pretending to look Greek lol 😂
No aleksandar makedonijans
Eni arheologi fakt
Indeed, Alexander the Great was Greek
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 no non statt zigano
Majcedone
Majka donija
Majna .. Maure
Donija .. godlisa .
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 truf propaganda non egzistire ne una moneta skrita
Aleksandar ... grekise
Sempere skrivi
Alejsandar macedone
@@rafaellagaribaldi9391 non egzista ne Uno postk dove skriveri
Njente solo
Aleksandas makedonski
Monate... Marmor... biblie... Keramike
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Monday, January 30, 2012 SKOPJE - A six-year long DNA research of the Balkan peoples conducted by Skopje Forensics Medicine Institute has showed remarkable resemblance among them.
"The analysis of the data has showed that residents of Macedonia have the most similar DNA with Bulgarians and Serbs, Croats with Bosnian and Serbian population while Kosovo Albanians have the fewest similarities with the others,” says Forensics Medicine Institute’s Dr Zlatko Jakovski.
Macedonian
Macedonians, just like Spartans were spartans and athenians were athenian. All of them greek.
@@t30dore59 They were not Greeks
@@Oto828 Im down for a debate. Do you want to start?
@@t30dore59 Yes
He is Macedonian.