Geography Now! Rep. of North Macedonia
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- 2019 UPDATE! As of Jan 25 2019 the Greek Parliament voted to accept the new title of "North Macedonia" ending nearly 3 decades of dispute however many Greek citizenss are still opposed to this move, nonetheless actions can now be made to move forward.
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Hey guys so UPDATE! As of Jan 25 2019 the Greek Parliament voted 153-146 (1 abstained) in favor of accepting the new name of "North Macedonia" for this country. Many Greek citizens are opposed to this move but for what's it's worth this means diplomatic actions can move forward after nearly 3 decades of dispute. Let's see what happens.
i wish that my country could just be called The Republic Of Macedonia
I think north Macedonia should let in the Canadian army and it will become a Canadian puppet state. May the empire never fall!
I wish
As you can see the general population of both countries does care. Tsipras took this desision alone, greek People dont agree, MAKEDONIA is greek
It was an undemocratic decision by Tsipras the people were not asked and hates tsipras ! did not they know that? Did not you see the demonstrations? would you betray the name of your country to a country with evil intentions?
As a Greek, I can say that we do not really care about your name and we would be pleased with something like Northern Macedonia or something. What we just can't stand is you having this dream like perspective on history while EVERYONE tells you you are wrong...
Bear Pig Man Agree, the original people of Macedonia were ethnically Greek.
as a macedonian i would tell you that a lot of us don't care that much about the name, and consider ourselves slavic, but the thing with bulgaria is false, we understand serbian way much better
NO WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM THE 90% OF US DONT LIE
Deyan T. true
+Chialuen Lis .....Macedonians are mixed Slavics and Greeks (and Turks a bit)
how to start a war in the comments
1: talk about ANYTHING in the balkans
edit: Even after 4 years people are still ultra nationalist in the comments. (note the replies are a balkans political hell hole)
Or just say Macedonia is rightfully Bulgarian...
Which it is
@@petartoshkov2076 oh no
@@petartoshkov2076 ofc bro.. they have a proud and rich Bulgarian history but they choose to identify with Greek making a fool of themselves all around the world
Pity just pity....
@@petartoshkov2076 They are!
That's Why The Balkan Is The Powder Keg Of Europe And Maybe The World.
“I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia” -Alexander (Anabasis Alexander 2.14.4, 2.14.6)
Ancient Macedonians were Greek . Modern Macedonians are just Slavs that migrated to Macedonian almost 1000 years after Alexander’s death . End of discussion
The crying is for free, keep crying that you’re not Macedonian but Turko-Albanian
And what happened to the Macedonian?
@@peter-df6wlnothing they still live in Macedonia Greece !
@@peter-df6wl
Macedonians live in the whole ethnic Macedonia including the annexed parts in Greece and Bulgaria in 1913, with that difference in Greece they were not allowed to express themselves as Macedonians, and also were expelled from their homes in other countries in eastern Europe
in croatian schools, Alexander the great is called Alexander the Macedonian
And Leonidas of Sparta and Demosthenes of Athens so what?
I u Srbiji je tako ali tadasnja Makedonija je bila Grcka
stefan durbaba ma nije to, neg grci podjebavaju samo zato im se jedna njihova regija zove makedonija
domba 727 znam to je zato sto je ondasnja Makedonija bila Helenisticka,a danas oni nemaju veze sa Helenima
In German we call Alexander's empire "Makedonien" and the country "Mazedonien". Problem solved :D
Well, at least this was good practice for the Israel video.....
Geography Now Oh boy. Lol
Geography Now Israel won't exist by then
Geography Now HAHAHA i've been waiting for that xD
Geography Now oh boy.
Israel will be stressful.
“When Alexander read the inscription on the tomb of Cyrus he ordered it to be repeated below in Greek”
-Plutarch 69.2
No one cares both countries share the same culture it’s not a big deal
My brother in christ THERE SLAVS slavic culture hadn't even existed by the time alexander got in power
The are bulgarians and serbs the have nothing to do with greeks
@@Kuzman1nothing like our culture,dont commend if you dont actually know they are slavs and albanians and both of them share nothing with us
@@budsmoker4202 I just don’t think it’s that big of a deal just let countries be countries
@@Kuzman1 It's a huge deal! You have no idea what you are talking about, geopolitically speaking!
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992.
Traitor and idiot
Macedonia for the Macedonians -William Gladstone British Statesman and British Prime minister on the 19th of January 1897 speaks of the glorious heritage of the Macedonians. And he clearly notes that Phillip II, Alexander, Aristotle, Cyril and Methodius are Macedonians. That Macedonians are not Slavs and that are not Greeks. "Macedonia-for the Macedonians" he declares.
And something else read about the Macedonian wars with Rome and you will find that Greeks were allied of Rome against the Macedonians.
@@gotenaragon8108Learn history
Greek city- states were separated
Achaians Thessalians Epirus were allies to Makedoniabs when Aetolians Athenians with Rome
When they understood it was too late( Roman diplomaty)
Methodios and Cyrillos were greek monks from Thessaloniki and gave the cyrillic language and religion to slavs( your ancestors ) after they came from the north
they were Greeks as your German king Otto of Bavaria was Greek
THIS is controversial? Wait till you get to K and have to decide whether or not you'll do Kosovo.
He only does countries recognized by the United Nations. Kosovo is not recognized by the UN (at least not yet).
and it won't be.
UUHHH... oh... well he's screwed, he probably won't touch it because the UN doesn't recognise them as of yet.
He already said he wasn't going to do it, he will do all fully recognized countries first (so finishing with Zimbabwe) and then do disputed areas like Abkhazia, Kosovo, Taiwan etc.
It should be.
The four horsemen of controversy:
-Macedonia
-Kosovo
-Taiwan
-Crimea
Don't forget gibraltar 😂
Kosovo is Albania and always was
Ukraine got their asses whooped; many are sympathetic toward taiwan but noone likes to mess with father china; relabel kosovo and Macedonia as the Balkans; add in kashmir, east asia and the middle east. Boom, fixed your list.
And the north of Ireland
Don’t forget Western Sahara.
7.58 if they were Greek why did they to to war to each other....Bro ! Athens and Sparta had a war against each other . Doesnt mean that they are not Greek. We are speraking for city-states. Like Portugal is Portuguese AND European and Spain is Spanish AND European....Its the same thing. Pella was Macedonian AND Greek too
No
“AMONG ALL THE GREEKS you shall stand forth as a statesman who has worked for the good of Greece” (Isocrates “to Philip” 5.139, 5.140)
FYROM is full of Bulgarians and Albanians. They are Slavic people who spoke Bulgarian prior to becoming part of Yugoslavia and they speak a Slavic language. The Slavic people didn't even come to Europe until around the 5th or 6th century AD... but they think Alexander the Great was their ancestors all because their name is "Macedonia". The ancient Macedonia spoke Greek and an overwhelming majority of their ruins and writing etc. was found in Northern Greece..... NOT FYROM.... but hey whatever floats their boat 😂😂😂
petar bosnakov I don't speak your language man. I only speak English. Translate?
Another fun fact "if the Macedonians were Greek then why were they going to war with the Greek city states?" Well the Greek city states were always constantly allying and going to war with each other. It's how it was. Macedonia was just the strongest of them all.
macedonians were bulgars 100 jears ago!! then they denationalized into macedonians!!
Bjorn Ironside ur from boi?
Eye [X] I'm from USA. Ancestors from Sweden and Germany :)
The comment section is going to be tasty
Exactly why are Greeks like Armenians in their slightly twisted interpretation of history. Perhaps the Greeks should have payed more attention to their country more recently rather than 2500 years ago. Then they wouldn't be owned by the Germans. (Sorry, did this go too far? Sorry Stavros)
Monika .M. Me too 😂
TG T ogg really and where were you when the whole Europe got in Greece and created economical war? Cause even your country,all countries really need an allie.
Just so you know when we started with Germany ( we gave everything to them)then we continue with Macedonia( cause now its the best time beeing not able to anything after crisis)) and the top of all, Turkey sawed up saying that The Greek islands are theirs...thats why all of Greeks are mad!! Clamming something old you proceed with claiming land..I am so sorry that Stavros hasn't explained... please read and watch carrefully hopefully we are wrong..history will make us see...
1. th-cam.com/video/o_gjBAhak18/w-d-xo.html
2. The entire europe was owned by the germans, (we) greeks sent hitlers allies italians back to their country and delayed significantly hitlers plans. Churchill said "heroes fight like greeks".
ps., i urge everyone around here to bear this in mind just in case.. :)
Yayeet
You forgot to mention Shutka, Skopje, FYROM the capital of Roma in Europe.
Only 2% of Macedonia is roma
Alexander the Great was born in Pella. That place is in Greece. The Slavs were not anywhere near that region until many centuries after his rule that spoke Hellenic not Slavic.
@@NikolaBent976 North Macedonia or FYROM was created in 1991. Remember that it has no connection to ancient Macedonia.
@@NikolaBent976 Perhaps you don't know the basic stuff. First of all your nickname is an oxymoron. Mainstream historiography says that the Slavs migrated to the Balkans in the 6th c AD.
SR Macedonia in 1944 was not an independent country. We are talking about countries, otherwise we can consider the Roman state of Achaea as 'Greece'... although there are many inscriptions eons before that with the word 'Hellas' and 'Hellenes' but the modern concept of a country didn't exist then.
There were no Macedonians before the end of the 19th century. They identified as Bulgarians. Slowly since the end of the 19th c they started to emerge due to political manipulation.
Macedonia was liberated from the Ottomans and Greeks took the part of proper Macedonia (i.e. ancient Macedonia before the conquests which was a Greek doric kingdom), except for some small parts in the south of North Macedonia. NM''s mostly occupies the region of ancient Paeonia and Dardania.
@@MetalTherapy227 Analbanian, I don't use other accounts on youtube.
@@my8osprive............................................
srb blaa--bla .
Japan called
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They want their imperial flag back
The indian company want their flag back too :D
That's what I said 'bout the Macedonian flag XD
Kôito [コイト] Yep. It's way better looking.
They maybe talk about this with the Washington of 1945.
Ataturk called as well, he reminds the disaster of 1922
Greek-Macedonian comment war!!!
Hey we are here too!
Greek-Vardaskian (FYROMian) comment war
Greek Cypriot Ano LOL
Fundin Dylgobrad Are you bulgarian? I love bulgaria :)
USA xommenting here...looks like you guys need some freedom!
I mean when did slavs come to this area?? 6 hundrend years later or so...
This country is north of Macedonia, Macedonia is Greece.
Propaganda in this country went really mad. They even argue among themselves wether they are or arent Slavs.
@@bobantheighty6141 ,,Bulgarian grandpa"= ha ha ha
@Aleksandar Aleksovski they spoke the same language and they were all believing in the same religion...ALSO THEY (MACEDONIAS,THESALIANS AND ALL THE OTHER GREEKS) WERE UNITED AGAINST PERSIA!!!
@Aleksandar Aleksovski greek exists since 1100BC!!are you stupid...learn some history
Aleksandar Aleksovski Dude, Great Alexander said : Thank the Gods to have been born Greek.
KONSTANTIN XXX Το γνωρίζω αγαπητέ.
Spartans and Athenians always went to war against each other. Does that mean they constituted different ethnic groups?
Maria Kollias and dont forget that had the panhellenic council in beetween the civil wars and plus the Olympics that reunited all the hellenics for that short period beetween the wars..
Well they kinda were, Spartans were Doric.
@@cameronrothwell9395 Both doric and ionian tribes are considered greek
PELAZGIAN ILYRIAN Spartans and Macedonians were Dorian Greeks, and Athenians were Attic Greeks. Either way Pelasgians were Greeks. Albanians are Gypsies who mixed with Slavs and Turks, so they are not “Illyrian” or “Pelasgian”.
worldsbestskiinstructor No writers ever said that. You’re blinded with propaganda. Macedonians were ethnically and culturally Greek, all the Greek city-states rivaled each other so there’s no logic in what you Skops say. Also the Ancient Macedonians were descendants of Dorian Greek tribes from Argos. Read actual history and not propaganda made by Tito.
You see this is why I love Geography Now. Those parts where Greek reactions are taken into account like the Alexander the Great issue means there's no bias. Thank God for these kinds of videos.
fakw history? Helen became greek now want to be macedonian? keep belive in fakw Lies😂
@@AlexMkd1984 fakw lies?
@@randomacedonian1 Alexander The Great 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
@@randomacedonian1 FYROM is 🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬✅
@@AlexMkd1984Macedonians are Greeks and Greeks have always been Hellenes!
If you say macedonian or greek its the same thing because macedonia is greek these guys think that the are greek
Fyrom is like a teenage girl...They dont know who they are or what they want..
Trollguy222 Well Greece won't allow them to be called Macedonia.
Yes because is like i wannt to make a country and name it Paris or New York .....
Trollguy222 and we are really boring
Yes man our history shows who we are we cant let this slavs steel are history ...
+Trollguy222 Well aren't you being a tad sexist?
FUN FACT: This country has officially recognized that the name is merely geographical and has nothing to do with ancient Macedonia
@@nasasendthetatarsintospace185 It ain't just Droysen, mate. The evidence exists even without historians and it is quite a lot.
Alexander and Philip as names with etymology. Both names have a meaning in Greek.
The Macedonians sharing the same culture and being allowed to participate in the Olympics, in which only Greeks were allowed.
The spread of Hellenic culture to the former Persian Empire, the ushering of the Hellenistic era.
The creation of Greek states such as the Bactrian Kingdom.
Alexander's sacking of Persepolis, which was an act of revenge for the sacking of Athens during the Persian wars.
And much more. The modern state is comprised of Slavs. End of the story
@@nasasendthetatarsintospace185 You don't even have to go that far mate (and even if you do, the area known as "North Macedonia" was called Vardaska, while the Macedonian Struggle (1904-1908) is well known. Historians from that era acknowledge that Macedon is Greek.
@@stefan7381 The Ottoman province of Macedonia, the Roman province of Macedonia, the Greek province of Macedonia, they have different borders. I won't spend more time arguing, I've wasted enough, so don't expect reasons and arguments, nor a debate to unfold. See ya
Link?
@@nasasendthetatarsintospace185 you need help my friend, your school has poorly taught you
“Where are the Greeks in Athens?” lol
-Otto the Bavarian fake king of Greece, 1832
@@user-mc9nh9mb9y
“Where are the Greeks in Athens?” lol
-Otto the Bavarian fake king of Greece, 1832
Twisting history is your best hobby fr
Your energy and passion is so cool! You made this so interesting!
If Alexander the Great was alive,
𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙡𝙖𝙪𝙜𝙝 𝙖𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨.
Because it's impossible, why don't you laugh instead him, Christina!
I do. Because i'm Greek from Thessaloniki *Macedonian Girl*
@@christinasivri1834
Right, tell me about it!
@@hunter9134 If the horse is Mecedonia and the tail is Skopia. All the horse can't be *Skopia*
Don't you think?
@@hunter9134 I'm small in front of the history you can read it. Nobody can change it
This is literally the most toxic comment section I’ve ever seen
taste the greek tears, so sweet! xD
Aidan dean,ikr
Being the poorest country in the E.U. makes us still about 100x times as rich as Albania or Monkeydonia, and about three times as rich as Bulgaria. You're welcome to shed sweet tears of unfathomable sadness now, knowing that you'll die poorer than the poorest in the E.U.
MrKotsoKotso Actually I live in the US
Yup because everyone thinks that it is just great to be near a war just for a man that died before 3000 years dude they are mental.
Under the provisions of the Prespa Agreement signed by the Greek 🇬🇷and FYROM🇲🇰🇹🇷🇲🇳🇹🇷🇲🇳🇲🇰 governments , the North Monkedonians of FYROM Vardarska BaNAnovina🇲🇰🇹🇷🇲🇳🇹🇷🇲🇳🇲🇰 are obliged to highlight on every possible occasion that their nation has no relation to the history and civilization of ancient Greece🇬🇷. Alexander the Great 🇬🇷, his father Philip of Macedonia🇬🇷 , and the ancient Macedonian Kingdom🇬🇷 were indelible parts of that civilization🇬🇷
Thanks for sharing. Learned a lot.
Alexander the Great was not a Slav. Slavs came to the Balkans when Rome was declining.
Mishel Is Back I understand, but what I am trying to say here is that FYROM isn’t actually Macedonia. In reality, Macedonia is an area of Greece that spoke Greek dialect in the classics.
Mishel Is Back the real Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek, and Slavs don’t speak Greek.
Rob Kit and destroy that stupid statue of Alexander the Great in Skopje. 😂😂😂 You guys are posers😂😂😂
Mishel Is Back A man born in Ancient Macedonia, the son of a Macedonian King of Greek descent, educated by the esteemed Greek philosopher Aristotle, who went on to spread Ancient Greek culture. Can you explain? I think not.
Rob Kit A man born in Ancient Macedonia, the son of a Macedonian King of Greek descent, educated by the esteemed Greek philosopher Aristotle, who went on to spread Ancient Greek culture explain that loser 😆 😂 😂
Good luck with the comments. Waiting for the Romania section xD.
Probably gonna be like this:
20% Hungarians calling us gypsies even tho we're not.
15% Romanians calling Hungarians gypsies even tho they're not.
20% people saying they can't wait for the next country (Russia)
10% people actually saying something good.
10% memes and idiotic comments.
10% people fightig about Kosovo tho it doesn't have to do with the video
Rest - others.
Germany will get interesting too ,lots of nazi and anti-refugee comments
The Blue Mapper Romanians saying Moldovans are Romanians, Moldovans saying they are not.
Let's just agree that almost any video on almost any European country is going to get some ultra-nationalists and right wingers pissed off. Europe is full of assholes who don't know how to get along with each other.
bosnakedisniksic Yeah we're a continent united by our distrust for the rest of continent xD
The Blue Mapper agree
Jealous Greeks of the world,unite!
Love to Bulgaria 🇲🇰 from Bulgaria 🇧🇬 🇲🇰❤️🇧🇬
kid
Hahahaha
Based
No offence but Macedonia should be part of Bulgaria
@@sjepy1v Why kid
I still think "Western Bulgaria" is best and most appropriate name though!
giorgosvr09 I think bulGAYria is a half Macedonian half Turkish country.
i think ur the biggest mistake on mother nature
So how does the name "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" solve anything? It's just "Macedonia" with extra words... As someone else pointed out, that would be like saying "Former Ottoman Republic of Greece" or "Former British Republic of Canada" or "Former Portugese Republic of Angola"...
I know, right?
Then again, Luxembourg is both a province of Belgium and an actual country. Despite that, neither of them have a different name. Why would Macedonia need different names?
Aart Bruneel Yeah, but everybody just calls it "Luxembourg", just like everybody says "Russia" instead of "Russian Federation" or "South Korea" instead of "Republic of Korea" or "Afghanistan" instead of "Islamic Republic of Afghanistan", and so on. So "Republic of Macedonia" is just as good as "Former Yugoslav Republic". It is in rare cases that a country goes by their full official name, like "Dominican Republic" or "United Arab Emirates" or "Central African Republic" "Czech Republic" (which has recently installed a shortened version "Czechia") or both of the Congos, and so on. They should really get around to being "West Congo" and "East Congo", or something like that, by the way. Anyway, my point is that "Former Yugoslav" has no purpose in its name.
Manuel Campins Exactly.
Aart Bruneel I still don't see why "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" is better than "Republic of Macedonia". Bulgarian Macedonia and the Macedonian regions in Greece are not republics, so "Republic of Macedonia" should work just fine.
Vardarska. That is the right name and the population is half Albanians half Bulgarians. I'm pretty confident that in the future a war will happen and that country will cease to exist.
You wish. But in your dreams. Macedonians and Macedonia know who they are, and surely they are not Turks and Albanians as the modern Greeks are.
@@monsignor6887 You mean monkeydonians. Right? Ask your ex president Gligorov what you are.
@@pelasgeuspelasgeus4634No. I mean Macedonians, because modern Greeks are not capable to even read and listen and figure it out what the whole world says. 😂
@@pelasgeuspelasgeus4634 Greece will surely cease to exist.
@@novemberajax9234 Greece has 4.000 years of recorded history and your pityfoul country of brainwashed slav people was created 3 decades ago. And you think that Greece will cease to exist? Really now?
Harry Kane missed penalty against France and chance for 2 -0 in semifinal 4 years ago,what can Tottenham do with him?
hello macedonians
Pozdrav brate :D
***** Za razlika od vas Hrvatite ne podrzuvaat i nikogas ne rekle nesto loso za nas :D
tobi - se 1 ajde odi da si jades obuvkite. Jas ke palim golfa i ke si odim na moreto vo dekemvri za 12 evra hahaha
***** A sto e fintata so toa obuvkite? Pazi da "ne" se udavis ;)
tobi - haha ti si najgolemija nolifear kadeto poznaam pomislim zasto nemate ni more ni narod ni jazik. Vasiot premier ljubco georgievski ima bg pasos hahahaha fake nation fyrom.
I edno ime nemate vie
Former yugoslav republic vi narekuvaat hahaha
What a toxic comment section 😂
ÖLÜMLÜHAYATBUGÜNVARSINYARINYOKSUN Sultan: What happened.
Barbarossa: Malta yok.
@@olumluhayatbugunvarsinyari534 Greeks bring facts, Vardascans bring insults.... As always.
@@whafflete6721 Taiwan? Give it a few years after he finishes the UN countries. Its gonna get good when he covers the other disputed countries
@@whafflete6721 He made a video a few years back explaining what he was gonna do after he finished with all the UN recognized countries
@@olumluhayatbugunvarsinyari534 How many comments are you going to write shaming us greeks? How would you like it if someone spoke down on your country and history?
Love is like a burning arrow
It can pierce the coldest heart
Love is warm, love is patient
And the craziest thing you'll ever start…
Silly Balkans, always arguing about what place your are in the region, I mean... The UK tootally hasn't done that, am I right guys?
Guys?
No, you're wrong. The UK has not had nearly as many ethnic conflicts as the crammed Balkan peninsula has.
SUM1 I'm joking.
Tiocfaidh ár lá!!!
If you are at all right in UK then FIFA and UEFA should therefore reduce the list for three teams.
dalibor dimic I don't watch either of those.
This is going to be a fun comment war lol
Bryan Garcia got front row seats
I will bring the popcorn!
Starshii I'll bring the sodas!!!
The most fun comment war will be in the sweden video most likely
I brought the seven pound bag of gummy bears I snuck in the theater.
“It is your privilege, to consider Greece your fatherland, as did the founder of your race" -Isocrates “to Philip” 5.127
FUN FACT: it is well known, our neighbors Bulgarians don’t celebrate Christmas and they now have 1444 according to their Muslim calendar
what the actual fuck 😶
@@user-vs1ez4zi3v it’s a tree 🌲 in U2a$$es malaka Pedro Kondomakis😂ho ho ho
_«Ἐξ ἱστορίας ἀναιρεθείσης τῆς ἀληθείας λόγοι κενοί τό λειπόμενον»._
*If History is stripped of her truth what is left is only an idle tale.*
Polybius (Πολύβιος) , Histories 1.14.6
Greek historian - 200 BC.
So true
*Alexander the Great after the Battle of the Granicus*
In order to inform Greeks about his victory, he sent to the Athenians three hundred shields of the captives and other spoils and then he ordered to be written a glory inscription :
*"Alexander, the son of Philip and the Greeks except Spartans, from the barbarians living in Asia ".*
κοινούμενος δὲ τὴν νίκην τοῖς Ἕλλησιν, ἰδίᾳ μὲν τοῖς Ἀθηναίοις ἔπεμψε τῶν αἰχμαλώτων τριακοσίας ἀσπίδας, κοινῇ δὲ τοῖς ἄλλοις λαφύροις ἐκέλευσεν ἐπιγράψαι φιλοτιμοτάτην ἐπιγραφήν·
*«Ἀλέξανδρος [ὁ] Φιλίππου καὶ οἱ Ἕλληνες πλὴν Λακεδαιμονίων ἀπὸ τῶν βαρβάρων τῶν τὴν Ἀσίαν κατοικούντων».*
Plutarch - Greek Biographer
www.greek-language.gr/digitalResources/ancient_greek/library/browse.html?text_id=103&page=9&hi=1596662
Are you kidding? What exactly does this video prove? The DNA was named "macedonian" because it applies to today's "Macedonians", as you insist on calling yourselves. "The" Science has confirmed that they haven't discovered any DNA from the ancient Macedonians, so they cannot compare your present DNA with the ancient one to find out if they are your ancestors.
I don't think you understand how DNA matching works. And please, do you think that posting videos from youtube will strengthen your arguments? Really..?
no it doesn't !!!
and your "barbarian" argument has no actual value...
it is a fact that our ancestors called certain tribes barbaric at certain time-frames like the Pelasgians and others BUT YOU ARE IN NO POSITION to comprehend what our ancestors really meant by "barbarian" and the REASON why they described people with this word !!!!!
an ancient Greek calling some group of people "barbarians" DOES NOT automatically mean that they did not share the same blood relatives and ancestors !!! ...in most of the cases it did BUT in the cases of the Pelasgians, the Macedonians and others it did NOT...
furthermore the youtube video that you link to, is filled with MANIPULATIONS and MISTRANSLATIONS of words that FAIL TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE SCIENCE OF HISTORY (and that's why all the comments are disabled...because no one wants to answer for all the lies the video is spreading) so here is just a glimpse of just ONE of the video's fallacies that have been answered...
history-of-macedonia.com/2007/11/17/fyrom-falsified-claim-the-old-racial-rivalry-of-greeks-and-macedonians/
worldsbestskiinstructor tell that to the THOUSANDS of historians that think otherwise :)
In short they spoke Greek they worshiped Greek gods they were considered Greeks by the other Greeks were allowed to Join the Olympic games
(you could do that only if you were a greek BTW)
And made the hellenic league
Key word:
HELLENIC!
Your not winning this argument...
We have found coins of that time in Macedonia with Greek letters on them
I wonder Why.
HAVE NO FEAR
*THE* *MACEDONIANS* ARE HERE!
@@Callous946 Yep the phone fixed it, I did not notice in a hurry
@@user-Arija FINALLY!!! 🙂
@@DaenerysTargaryen1993 😂
@Paloma 263 comments?? Thats absurd
@Leves D or just look at her pfp, thats where i saw it 😂😂
Can't wait for Montenegro!
Can't wait for Israel!
Actually Israel is more closer so yeah.
G Cava IQ yeah!
You don't recognize my profile right?
all these contraversial countries are just the steps leading to Serbia. Thats the REAL problem
The people of North Macedonia are essentially Slavic (Serbian but mostly Bulgarian), about 30% are Albanians, with minorities Turks, and Gypsies. There are also inhabitants of Greek origin, a left over from the Greek civil war.
@@bobantheighty6141
@BAB00N The mighty MORON
The republic of MACEDONIA is 80%Macedonian....
16%Albanian...
4%Other....
F.........you......TATAR
😨😨😨FREAK😨😨😨
In Prague we were all supporting Macedonia when they played against Italy and Portugal.
in Prague you should also learn some history...Macedonia is a greek region..country's name is North mnkeydonia
That is so nice to hear, as a Macedonian I love the Czech Republic and would for sure like to visit it sometime 🇲🇰❤🇨🇿
Bulgaria: They are just confused Bulgarians...(jk)
What are you, Bulgar or Pontic? Because only those two confused artificial nations have problem with Macedonian existence. And some malicious Albanians. Or you are just one jealous confused Shumadinac.
@@faithfultothefatherland3286You know Albanians well, after all they are 60% of your population
@@Dynamo_Kyiv_Fans_Peristeriou Did you count them? They are not more than 20%. And this is what a modern Greek says, which, like the entire artificial nation, was created from Turks and Arvanites, whom Droysen for-ced to learn Koine.
@@HeroManNickI32 Arvanites at 1923 where 11% of our populatuon , In your country Albanians were 30% according to 2021 data, of course this can being fix with a little bit of trolling bur you are sissies, you even changed your country name beacuse of us. Also all Nations are artificials, yours is one of the latest tho ☝️
under the statue of alexander in skopje it says that he is from the hellenic period , even you guys agree that he is greek :/
you mean Hell-Ass?
@@melonsdad7498 just learn how much things the greeks invented like theatre democracy and then bless the god they exist because if they didnt then your comment should be illegal without democracy and impossibol to wrote it with out any sense of humor
@@birlombos2456 see, that is your problem, you didn't invent it, the sumerians invented it before you did. LoL (Have a laugh, don't be a douche). BTW we were pirates back then and we still haven't ditched some of our habbits.
@@melonsdad7498 What do you mean you were pirates and you haven't ditched some of your habits?Should I be worried?Will you fire up a canon and shoot a house?
@@epicguy3449 I do shoot only hot ladies with a look straight to their heart, don't shoot houses anymore. It was a joke since Illyrians were famous pirates in ancient times. Come on people develop yourselves a sense of humour
They claim Ancient Macedonia was their kingdom then claim lands of their 3 neighbours. Bulgarians and serbs lived in their country's territories in Ottoman times. Now they claim they are the descendants of macedonians and not bulgarians and serbs. Sometimes they even deny they are slavs and their language is slavic.
@@MichaelMakedon - u r a disgusting troll...wash your mouth out ...!!! repent 4 ur evil words ...u only show where u were raised =in the Skopje sewers ...!!!...Papouli Nikos aka HELLENIC KIWI.
@@MichaelMakedon -I refuse to reply to you with the same type of language suffice to say that you have just confirmed that you were bred in the gutter and slipped in to the nearest sewer to produce a tribe of rats. you never say anything positive -you do not partake in this discussion -but only produce more filth each time you post . Do you own any books ...perhaps a book for little children ...start there and start educating yourself . Then come back and type something good and healthy that we can all learn from in the meantime -...go and make yourself something to eat so we don't have to read your rubbish . You do not add to this discussion . i respect ALL people even those born in Northern Macedonia ...but I think you must be an American troll -you do not do any credit to the Makedonski people with your gutter language ...go and get some education and then come back,,,Troll.
@@MichaelMakedon Macedonia is greece.alexandros is greek
@@bobantheighty6141 The population of South Macedonia was also Bulgarian.
You say “They” but I bet the majority of the population don’t even care, and just want to get on with their lives
Italians dislike this video
I’m fine with them calling themselves Macedonians and I don’t want to take away their identity but I don’t like how they say that Alexander the Great wasn’t Greek, I like history and I don’t like when it is distorted for political agendas
@Bill O'Coy Actually you are wrong. The concept of being Hellene (Greek) existed back then and is identified in many ancient sources and archaeological artifacts. What we fail to understand in the modern age is that back then, regionality was the top priority, e.g. people in Sparta considered themselves Spartans first and Hellenes second.
@@my8osprive πεστα με όλους τους μαλακές
The Slavic-speaking population in the region of Macedonia had been referred to both (by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th, up until the early 20th century. According to Encyclopædia Britannica, at the beginning of the 20th century the Macedonian Bulgarians constituted the majority of the population in the whole region of Macedonia, then part of the Ottoman Empire
He was form Macedonia- yall greeks are tryna steel our history too now? WOW
@@damejovanovski9963 Read some real history books, not your propaganda school books.
Macedonia was a doric Greek kingdom.
FUN FACT: not all Turks are Greeks, but all Greeks are Turks.
Jannisars
Plutarch 17.2-3
“The prophecy foretells that the empire of the Persians would be destroyed by the Greeks, Alexander was encouraged by this prophecy”
Some people think that we have a connection with ancient Macedonia, but I presume that the more educated ones admit that we are Slavs. It’s not bad to be part of the Slavic culture, of the Russian culture. It is a pride. But the damage has already been done, and it will take decades to alter such perception,” Dragi Gjorgiev, director of the Institute of Macedonian History, told journalists in late 2018...
Greek Macedonia never was, but became “greek”, thanks to Bucharest Treaty and importing massive population in 1912-13 and in 1921-22 when refuges from Asia Minor came. There was NO greek majority in Macedonia. So we made it “greek” with a population exchange, through difficult events, that survived as a people, but not just us, but other people in this region. When I hear and I see signs “ Macedonia is one and greek” who are we kidding with this, we’re only mocking ourselves. It may not sound good, but that’s the reality! - stated greek MP Nikos Filis in speech to greek parliament.
The Slavic-speaking population in the region of Macedonia had been referred to both (by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th, up until the early 20th century. According to Encyclopædia Britannica, at the beginning of the 20th century the Macedonian Bulgarians constituted the majority of the population in the whole region of Macedonia, then part of the Ottoman Empire
I love your comment.
NO GREEK CAN BE MACEDONIAN, NO BULGARIAN CAN BE MACEDONIAN. WE ARE THE OLDEST NATION IN THE WORLD! SO STICK IT UP AND SHUT UP! MACEDONIA IS MACEDONIAN!
@@antoniomanam1False
Is kindergarten here?
Stop fake accounts creation of your opponents pls, respect each other!
"Your ancestors came to Macedonia and the REST OF GREECE and did us great harm” -Alexander the Great (Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander. 2.14.4, 2.14.6)
When Greek chicken lays eggs we sell them at Skopje market,in Macedonia.
Nice I live in skopje macedonia
Dude im not greek and i get the turko-greek debates about cyprus and other stuff but that just stupid everybody know alexander the great was greek its like i say abraham lincoln was chinese and put him in my country's flag i cant believe people outside of fyrom believe that
well tell THEM then....and then you will know who we are dealing with...
If you not greek and turko-greek you are bulgarian... theory :D
actually italian
@@itsmemario6673 Hahaha! Omg, this comment section is getting better and better! I love it. I am having soo much fun here!
FYROM🇲🇰Vardarska is one of the poorest countries in Europe.
You are very late with your coment !
We are not Vardarska Banovina , nor FYROM ( It was not the name of any country) any more !
Thanks to you modern Helasian people , we are finaly Macedonian in the North !
You are not bordering in North with Yugo/Slavs any more but with Macedonian nation !
You will get used to this new situation very soon !
Thank you brothers for your generousity , nobody will call us Bolgars any more !
And step by step you will finaly realise what the Republic and the Nation of Macedonian is meaning today in 21 century !
Thank you !
You sick man 🖕
@@voskreglavincevska7080 i didn't know that the angry monkeydonian 🐵 is now produced also in a female version
At least North Macedonian aren't Indian like Britain! Haha in the future there will be no English in London, this isn't happening in Macedonia
@@voskreglavincevska7080Македонска нация? Огледай се! Всеки по света знае, че вие нямате нищо общо с античните македонци, а сте славяни. Абсолютно никой не не поддържа тезата, че вие имате история преди 1945г. Всеки човек който има допир до историята на балканите знае, че вие преди Тито ,Георги Димитров и Сталин сте били с българско самосъзнание, че вие сте учили в български училища и сте преподавали, пишели и четяли на книжовен български език! Основателите на вашите революционни организации преди първата световна война са българи! И те са се борели за българите в регион Македония. Борели са се за автономия за да се присъединят с Княжество България, както направи Източна Румелия. И всичко това го има описано в автентични документи, писма и т.н.
И да все още абсолютно всеки знае, че сте славяни сиреч българи. И за това България вдигна ветото за блокиране на кандидатурата ви за ЕС. И остави съдбата ви на Европейският съюз с Френското предложение. А Френското предложение е на страната на България :)
Вие просто живеете в лъжа, която е плод на Югославия. И продължавате да се лъжете и лъжете вашите деца. Но скъпи северно македонци с лъжа истинска история не се прави :)
Bulgaria asks EU to STOP ‘fake’ Macedonian identity and language . Bulgaria does not accept "Macedonian" language in European documents, asks the neighboring country to reckognize that the nation and language have Bulgarian roots and to put an end to "anti-Bulgarian rhetoric", to remove "disparaging" terms from history textbooks for Bulgaria , to "restore" historical events and to admit to sharing a common history with Bulgaria.
You are very late !
The things are settled with Helas !
And with Bulgaria we haven't got any despite about our name !
You have recognised the country Macedonia.
You canot ask for the regulary registered country in UN , to change it's nationality !
We are macedonians even if it is from 1945 !
Preaty enaff time !
Macedonian nation is verified with or without any marks in front !
Nobody today have ancient rots !
We are all European except people from tatarian invasion and Greek Guptian invasion that overtook Macedoniae oficial Province established in 148 BC .
You cannot jump the history and delite continuation of Makedonia if Republik of Makedonians is verified !
There will be no EU without independant Macedonian Republik !
You are just wasting your time !
Macedonia is not on the bid any more after fashism was and stil is internationaly condemned !
@@voskreglavincevska7080 North Macedonia, never forget North. Also start respecting Prespa Agreement and dont forget that real Macedonia is Greek ;))
@@boubou665
If you proceed to call us Bulgarian Prespa Agreement is not valid .
@@voskreglavincevska7080 Its you who dont respect Prespa Agreement...when you claim Alexander the Great as yours ,when you using Vergina sun in your flags and so many other violations ,.Prespa agreement is valid ,start to execute it.. please and thank you ;))
@@boubou665
If you continue to call us Bulgarian , the Prespa agreement is not valid .
Just do settle this matter with Bulgaria !
And finish with this carousel !
These people from FYROM Vardarska Banovina were Slavs since the 19th century and now all of sudden they became Ancient Greeks wtf
No Mister or Madam. These people are Macedonians and they don’t want to become Greeks. It’s an insult to them. Only a Pontic can consider on that way.
@@systemautomatic The Turkogypsies from FYROM cannot be Macedonians , Macedonians are only Greeks
@G4B6A57S63CPTN
But they say for you that you Pontics are Turkogypsies. In fact the Greeks have much in common with Turkish genes in general. Macedonians not.
@@systemautomatic I am Macedonian therefore I am pure Greek blood , my Shutkan Ahmeti
@G4B6A57S63CPTN
You could be only Greek or Pontic how many Macedonians call you.
Soooooo much hate... I was trying to read the comments and there were 3-4 people that I saw again and again and again... Isn't there already too much of that on Earth. I am a Turk. I live in İstanbul. I have nothing against any nations -yes even Greeks and Armenians. I don't care if you call "İstanbul" "Constantinople" because we have Turkish names for Greek cities. For example we call "Alexandroupoli" "Dedeağaç". A lot of names of Turkish cities were translated to Turkish from Greek and Armenian after the 1920s-30s. It is normal to have names for places that are a bit controversial but what can you do about it. People have been using that name for years now. So can we just accept our differences and move along
Yeah you are right buddy, but some people just can't accept using their own name of nationality, due to a political arguing! However nobody needs to disputing constantly on this topic with others! :)
If someone says that you are not a turk and he will say how to call yourself will you be mad
Hi there I m Macedonian we love Turkish people some people from Turkey still coming in Macedonia to see my grandparents they lived in the same village before very friendly.
@@Stole1 my grandmother came from manastır 💓
@@federkleid0 you should go and visit my friend see the house and the place we're she was living.
Remember remember the 5th November,the gunpowder,treason and plot,I know a reason why gunpowder treason should never be forgot.
I want to know why people that hate Macedonia purposely click on this video just to piss them off in the comment, if you hate the place then why even click the video????
I dont understand humanity...
@FYROMIAN PRIDE yeah Macedonia
@@saadwaheed465 are u dumb macedoinia is a greekname since empire days fuck u
Why do the Greeks care so much about Macedonia's name? Why don't you do more important things like paying your debts?
Although you have a point in your statement, there are more things in this dispute and not only the name. If they prefered the name Republic of Northern Macedonia or Republic of Slavic Macedonia, we the Greeks would not have that much of a problem. The problem is that the FYROM lays official claim on a very large piece of land in Greece (or at least they did back in the 90s). If you ask me personally I believe there is no problem for me with them thinking they are Macedonians. In Geographical/Regional terms they are not wrong. But there is no seperate nation of Macedonians. There are Slavic, Greek and Bulgarian Macedonians but only in the Regional sense of the word.
nice answer
Why doesn't the British give back the Partenon to Greece?
Yes protect your history and just let your leaders destroy your country...history>present day
alee Winston Churchill said ''A nation that forgets its past has no future''. Of course we care about the present day but we're not going to sit there and do nothing while other countries are claiming our stuff.
Albania and North Macedonia have never had a border issue. At no point in our histories has Albania ever "not recognised" North Macedonia's western border. The only issue we have had with them is in regards to the rights of the Albanian community that lives in the country, and the census numbers which have historically had a tendency of decreasing the official amount of ethnic Albanians living in North Macedonia. Other than that, I'd say we actually get along relatively well.
Yeah, it took me like two seconds to find out that not true
Alexander is GREEK. HE SAID IT. That's why he participate in Olympic Games in Olympia, Greece. Only Greek people could participate in the Olympic games then. And he said I am Greek my parents are Greeks they are from Dories, a Greek region!! So he is GREEK
@The Red Yellow Phalanx And the language are Turkish or Albanian? It is GREEK so.....
And the word Greek comes from the word grecos and with this name called hellens by turks
@@wolfmazedonischer6935 Serious argument😂. YOU DON'T HAVE ARGYMENTS... SO.... JUST DON'T SPEAK
@@hunter2149 What!? What does it mean YUNANIAN?
@The Red Yellow Phalanx greeks have been in Balkans since 2000BC Slavs like you came here in 600 ottomans and albanians 1200 so shut the fuck up and learn history
ΠΑΜΕ ΜΑΛΑΚΑ
Hundreds of thousands of Greeks and Bulgarians live in that country. You can’t just ignore that
You may have dreamed something about it. In Macedonia there are not any Macedonian citizens with greek background only those ones who come over to fix their teeth rofl
@Joe Bloggs yes, I realised it when I’ve already sent the comment. You’re right buddy.
The Slavic-speaking population in the region of Macedonia had been referred to both (by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th, up until the early 20th century. According to Encyclopædia Britannica, at the beginning of the 20th century the Macedonian Bulgarians constituted the majority of the population in the whole region of Macedonia, then part of the Ottoman Empire
And What about Turks, Albanians, Serbs, Even Russians.
@@zakirhusain6324 The Albanians are a recognized minority. The Greeks are oppressed and their are not allowed to declare their identity. In 1912 they were the majority in cities such as Bitola, Prilep, Ochrid and Strumnica. Unfortunately Serbia managed to take the cities in the Balkan wars and they started oppressing the Greeks. The only solution to the problem is that the Greek minority is recognized
Macedonia looks even better in the cold November rain.
Σκόπια λέγονται
Tsirpas made this decision alone. The greeks did not approve.
Bulgarians pretending to be 'macedonians"
Yes. Bulgarians want to become Macedonians, same goes for the new modern Turkish Greeks. They both wanna become Macedonians, but they can’t.
@Thompson
Ask your mommy
Macedonia makes me think of macaroni
Gabriel Mari what
heeey macedonia :D sounds great
Hahhah
a funny thing is that in italian MACEDONIA means FRUIT SALAD ahah so everytime i listen this name i think about fruit :D
because it is confusing with people of Macau or stealing Italian culture
Monastere (Bitola) , FYROM is an old GREEK city.
“It was Alexander's purpose to combine barbarian things with things Greek”
- Plutarch Fortune of Alexander 332 a-b
Alexander the Great was Greek , he fought for the freedom and glory of GREEEEECE!!
Alexander III of Macedon (20/21 July 356 BC - 10/11 June 323 BC), commonly known as Alexander the Great (Greek: Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας, Aléxandros ho Mégas Koine Greek: [a.lék.san.dros ho mé.gas]), was a king (basileus) of the Ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon and a member of the Argead dynasty. He was born in Pella in 356 BC and succeeded his father Philip II to the throne at the age of twenty. He spent most of his ruling years on an unprecedented military campaign through Asia and northeast Africa, and he had created one of the largest empires of the ancient world by the age of thirty, stretching from Greece to northwestern India.He was undefeated in battle and is widely considered one of history's most successful military commanders... END OF FYROMIAN STORY ..
Greece ? 🤣 TURCOreek mon Key still doesn’t know that in Alexander’s time Greece 🇬🇷 didn’t exist, only Macedonia 🇲🇰, he fought for Macedonia and Macedonians !
Just cap
@@77belts3 taka e brat 🇲🇰🇧🇬
Actually now you have the right to spread wrong information because Greeks invented democracy and many more that your little mind cannot think cause it's trapped between propaganda and stupidity!
@ Bulgarians are Tatars Look, there is a region of Greece called Macedonia, this is where Alexander the Great was born, firstly Alexander the Great was not Slavic in any way like the people from FYROM in modern-day. He was actually Greek and ethnically Illyrian, at that time Greek cities states are fighting against "Greek Macedonia" also known as "the kingdom of Macedonia" as the "Greek Macedonian" expanded their empire, from modern-day Thessaloniki to Corinth and Athens, Firstly to counter @Bulgarians are Tatars argument the FYROM doesn't exist only the "Greek Macedonia" aka modern-day Thessaloniki, also Greece did exist but instead of one united entity, Greece was multiple cities fighting against each other.
Aleksandrovski makedonski is not greek. His father was filipovski his horse voukefalovski and his teacher aristotelovski. He has nothing to do with greece
😂😂😂😂😂
Hahahahahahahahhah
And he speaking hellinicoski
no u
@@cansarousmaximus3028 sup
This is weird because I live in Macedonia, in Greece...
xD
Both are Macedonia my guy. It’s like Spain and Portugal arguing which one is a part of the Iberian Peninsula.
GREEK MACEDONIANS should not be confused with modern "slavic Macedonians" also known as Macedonian Bulgarians (Bulgarian: македонци or македонски българи), of the modern country called REPUBLIC OF NORTH MACEDONIA (Former Yugoslavia), sometimes also referred to as ""ethnic Macedonians" or slav-Macedonians or Macedono-Bulgarians or Macedo-Bulgarians" , who are a regional, ethnographic south slavic ethnic group related to Bulgarians, inhabiting the geographic region of what was the Southern Serbian region of Vardar Banovina and who started calling themselves "Macedonians" in the early 20th century in a regional sense due to leftist political factors, they have NO CONNECTION with the ancient Greek region of Macedonia in northern Greece or with the ancient Greek tribe of Macedonians of Alexander the Great.
Go visit some hospital, as sooner you go better for you
@@faithfultothefatherland3286 HAHAHHAA BULGARIAN YOU THINK YOU HAVE TIES WITH ANCIENT MACEDONIANS?
Try translating some ancient letters of "your AnCeStOrS" then...
@@pantelisdalezios811
No , you maybe have more, idiot
@@faithfultothefatherland3286 Of course I have more, the relation between ancient Greeks and today's Greeks has been proven with biology and DNA 🧬🧬🧬 studies (I am not sure you know these sciences in Vardaska).
Also I can read the plates, tombstones and letters from the Macedonians. Guess why. Cause they are in GREEK. So stop trying to claim bulgarians have greek heritage
@@pantelisdalezios811
You are only monkey believe he is lion
Makedonskis in Australia refuse to take Ancient History lessons in High school Like we don't know why...
WRX2001
Lol I wonder why? :)))
Im Aussie and Marco,
They need to learn some Bulgarian history and might solve their identity crisis. Haha, but they were told in their propaganda schools bulgarians were tatars
ONLY IF WE WROTE THE TRUUTH HISTORY THAT MACEDONIA BELONGS TO THE MACEDONIANS
@@ddpmk355 Because Greece has rotten Australian Education.
"Greeks don't really care about this matter" are you freaking serious rn...
joni bro καλά μπρο, δε ξέρω που είναι το πρόβλημα..
HO SHEE i am a greek and i care a lot about this subject
they actualy do
Let countries survive, stop being fuckinv pissy
Αντε να εξηγησεις στους ξενους τι ειναι συλλαλητήριο Μακεδονία
What was the Greeks case? Simply, it was that the former Yugoslav republic of Makedonija was nothing but an invention of Tito's as a bridgehead for the penetration and annexation of Greece's northern province, which is the real Macedonia with its capital at Salonika. Tito's Makedonija did not ever exist as a name on any map 50 years ago. But after 1945 Tito began openly talking of a Greater Macedonia that would include not only his small, artificial province but also the major Greek province that he called Aegean Macedonia. He pursued this policy not only by state-controlled propaganda but also by semi-clandestine warfare.
The optimists should not forget that both Serbia and Bulgaria have had historic claims on Greek Macedonia, however ill-based. It was from Belgrade and Sofia that the last assault on Greek sovereignty was launched. Are the present incumbents of power in Belgrade and Sofia today more trustworthy? They too have potential claims against the ex-Yugoslav republic, whereas the Greeks have none apart from the usurpation of the name ..What reamins today is North Macedonia who are a slavic people who are very closely related to the Bulgarians and to some what standards to the Serbs and the Albanians and we also have have Greek Macedonia which is historically connected to the Ancient Greek Macedonia who were realted by language customs and beliving in the ancient Greek Gods from Antiquity...
Who are you so b*thurt driven, to your mother or your father?
@@Rockntroll ..None of the above Youve stated, just stating the obvious that you are a slavic race trying to hijack history from Ancient Greece and Bulgaria even though you are bulgarians ethnically linguistically historically and culturally..PERIOD..
The Greek's case was a facade to cover up the fact that they are afraid of the world looking closely into events of 1913 and afterwards. Especially, the Metaxas' regime which oppressed Macedonians and even forbade the use of their language at home or at funerals.
“Alexander was seeking satisfaction for the offences which the Persians had committed against Greece”
[Diodorus of Sicily, 17.4.9]
“Alexander, however, proving himself to be an Argive, was judged to be a Greek” (Herodotus 5.22)
Flag of Macedonia 🇬🇷
Flag of FYROM Vardarska Banovina 🇲🇰
Nice
'' Thank Gods I was born Greek and not a barbarian'' Alexander the Great, Plutarch's Parallel lives.
@Real history is unpleasant! You are a Fyromian Asian gypsy , this is fact , prove it if you are not but you cant LOL LOL
Apple4ever ,, well said ,all universities historians scientists teaching worldwide : Alexander the Great was Greek
@@blackout8348 stfu you don't know anything every president of the world says that Alexander the great was Macedonian,even the pope said it and the pope has the biggest archive in the world with over 2 million books and there's every secret of the world. Now stfu
@@DeathLessBoss i agree
Thank Gods?There Is One God That Loves All Of Us.
Why would Alexander go to war with other Greeks? Because that's what Greeks do
the territory north of ancient macedonia (macedonia prima) was named macedonia secunda or macedonia salutaris by the romans, presently is called north macedonia, only about half of this territory was conquered by phillip II, that leaves skopje in dardania's kingdom so stop falsifying greek history
" *Macedonia is Greek* , the home of Phillip and Alexander and Methodius and Cyril . The Vatican condemns any falsification of history "
- *Pope John Paul II , June 21 , 1992*
@GreekMALAKADONIAN FASCISTpride no you are descendantsof the helens
@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos lie more
If Macedonians considers themselves as Slavs that means that Alexander the Great is Greek
The Ancent macedonienc we're mixed whit the slavs. Dont be stupid ps. The bukores trety devided macedonia 55% went to grece
We arent bulgarians, bulgarians are turkic oghur bulgar tatars. They stole our language, it was invented by cyril and methodious which are born in solun, you have been told by your government that we arent macedonian so you can take our land.
@@stefantasevski6003 SHUT UP ARXIDONSKI THE MACEDONIA IS HELLINIC
@Orion AlcId prove it
@Orion AlcId if you play that ,all the earth is belong to hellas and all the others are aliens like you
Funny how all of their neighbours have issues with their historical and geographical claims.
i know many peoples fro skopje ....i dont remeber one , just one , with the name Alexander or Philip ....all the peoples from skopje have names like Goran - Ivan ....how is impossible that ?
That's strange because many Macedonians🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰 have names like Filip or Aleksandar...Greeks with these names are unkown to me.
@@novemberajax9234 i worked in halkidiki in hotel with many tourist of your country ...never we had customer with name Filip or Aleksander or Olympiada ....only Ivan - Goran .....i dont remember in history with Macedonia any man with name Goran and Ivan
@@novemberajax9234 the names Aleksander Olympiada and Philip are greek names ....if you search in internet is very simple to find
@@user-ke7xz3sd7s As it suits you.
@@novemberajax9234 you can to search ...you have internet
Is soooo in 2 steps to solve this dispute:
- Bring a Bulgarian to talk to them and you will realise is the same language.
- Google "Ancient Macedonian coins" and bring a Greek and one that country to read what is written on it. You will realise that only Greeks understand it.
Ok, so Alexander The Great according to FYROM was Slavic, what a contradiction to historical facts. Alexander The Great died 323BC and the Slavs occupied the area in the 6th to 7th century AD thats approximately 900 years later. How could then Alexander The Great have been Slavic? Surely this is a no brainer..
When have we said that he was Slavic?
"The Macedonians are about to pass judgement upon you; I wish to know weather you will use their native tongue in addressing them."
Philotas replied:
"Besides the Macedonians there are many present who, I think, will more easily understand what I shell say if I use the same language which you have employed."
Than said the king:
"Do you not see how Philotas loathes even the language of his fatherland? For he alone disdains to learn it. But let him by all means speak in whatever way he desires, provided that you remember that he holds out customs in as much abhorrence as our language"
(Curtius).
Alexander The Great was slavic
said no one ever.
@@d3r4g45 Aleksandar was Macedonian, not Greek or else!
@@antoniomanam1 also Greek today and greek 2500 years ago are 2 very different things