The All-New Toyota Crown Is NOT At All What I Thought It Was!
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Not reliable 😂
@@chavetoe right, how could a car channel shell them? Every Nissan I've come across has had a source of issues and Nissan dealerships are usually not friendly in my area
Kinda odd product placement when you are reviewing a car made by a rival manufacturer
Meh not to excited unless they can give us a high performance wagon again like the 1jz athlete crown wagon
I like the lifted sedan but the rims are too big and the tire sidewall too small. Give me comfort! I'm happy this isn't another suv or crossover.
I agree. Those tires are going to be expensive to replace.
Agree. Those are tires you want on a race track, not on the road to go to the grocery store.
Agreed. Too big on the wheels and too thin of a tire sidewall. That setup is just on the Platinum trim.
Agreed. I have converted my Camaro from 20" to 18" wheels for both my street and track wheels. Big improvement in ride and unsprung weight.
Agreed. I just had to say it
I like that they called it the Crown and not an amalgamation of letters and or numbers.
They reserve those names for their electric vehicles
Like the bZ4x
I own 2022 Avalon and I agree the Crown seems to be a step down interior wise but it’s increased ride height is something I’d trade my Avalon for. If you have back injury or just grow old, you will greatly appreciate getting in and out of the car easier. Also, AWD in states with snowy months is a great bonus. Nice to see every Crown is AWD. I’m not in love with SUVs so this is the car for me. Curious on pricing. It should be priced below Avalon since interior quality went down but I suspect it’ll be even more expensive. Great vid!
Even compared to my 2020 Camry the crown looks like a downgrade
Good keep up these comments on decreased quality so I can have a sliver of hope that the price is in my range
Personally, with the improvements the Venza is getting for 2023, I would find the Crown a hard sell if it isn't decently cheaper than Venza.
@@panzer_TZ Interesting. I wasn’t impressed with 2022 Venza so choose 2022 Avalon, fast fwd a few months later and while it’s a good ride my back is telling me I should have went with Venza or Rav4 🤣. I will go look at 2023 Venza videos now.
I think the powertrain will make it more expensive than an Avalon
So Toyota decided to make a first and second gen Subaru Outback Sedan. They call it the Crown, which that name is an old name on Toyotas. The more I look at crossovers and Sedan crossover, the more I know the AMC Eagle was ahead of its time and inspired all these vehicles.
The OG Kenosha Krossover.
Wasn't the AMC eagle body on frame? I wish these other vehicles were inspired by the eagle. I wish automakers would make more body on frame vehicles
Yeah sorta an Outback sedan. But it’s a Toyota, so it’s actually reliable.
@@sorrywrongnumber5280 The Eagle was indeed BOF, as were most (if not all) cars of that vintage.
@@sorrywrongnumber5280 Eagles (Wagon, Sedan, fastback coupe and 2 door coupe)were unibody AMC Concords with raised height and AMC jeep 4wd systems.
I was able to fit a 60 inch flat screen tv still in its box in the back of my Stinger. Seems like they could’ve done more with rear cargo and rear head room by making it more of a hatch back design.
I like it. Can't accuse Toyota of building a "boring" appliance. The higher ride height is a practical but the rear seat room is going to disappoint.
Looks very nice. A question I have is this... do we really need 20"+ rims / tires on these new vehicles. For me, I would like a little more tire sidewall to help soak up road realities and possibly a little better tread life.
The Toyota donk look is…weird.
Hmmm. Looks better, but would not be a smooth riding and comfortable. So take your pick. If I were going for the "best looking", I'd probably go with aftermarket wheels anyway.... but that still wouldn't answer the question about what size to go with.
Then Toyota compensates it with an AWD and better gas mileage.
Toyota is stupid for putting in 21 inch wheels in a hybrid vehicle and giving us poorer fuel economy and a harsh ride. Plus more likely to get bent rims and flat tires. Then again, Toyota is stupid to even build a lifted sedan.
@@Chris_Wolfgram Small sidewalls hurt ride quality. Ride in a truck with 22" rims and you'll see
EPA estimates for the XLE and Limited are 41/42/41 (combined, city, highway). I just purchased the crown limited and I’m averaging 52-55mpg with both city and highway driving. It’s an amazing car. The interior is phenomenal and the exterior is a work of art. Overall I think this car is well worth the money. Oh and the Toyota safety sense 3.0 is out of this world. It basically drives for you lol
I would like to see more base and mid trim vehicles! : ). Its what most of us are going to buy so reviewing those models will be much more useful.
Thanks Tommy. I have owned four Avalon's starting with my 1995. My current Avalon is 2012 and based on your review I'm likely to keep what I have. Older Avalon's will easily go 300,000 miles. My 2003 has 250,000 miles and is a daily driver for the person I sold it to. Maybe the new Crown is better - but I'm sad Toyota choose to discontinue the Avalon. (BTW, the 2012 has a full size spare and buttons for the radio - YEA!) All the best to you Tommy. You're awesome.
well obviously it has buttons, its a 2012. its ancient by now.
Greetings!! I have a 2013 Avalon Hybrid w/ 165k miles. LOVE IT. I'm sad to see the Avalon go because I will probably be needing another one someday, but maybe in a year or two the used car market will settle down and I'll be able to score another one at an affordable price. I'm solid on Toyota and not interested in anything from South Korea, I don't feel the quality is there for the long haul but they are beginning to look better. Oh! And I agree that Tommy is doing a fine job.
The seating position interests me. My mother is currently driving an '08 Ford Taurus AWD which has a fairly tall seating position (for a sedan) and I've been looking for something similar for her. I rented a Camry once and she could hardly get out of it because it's so low to the ground. She doesn't want an SUV so this might be a good option.
I agree, this is probably the best solution for your mom. I get the feeling that the sedan market will probably follow this trend, so even if you don't get this particular vehicle, the rest of the market will develop cars/sedans just like this. Good luck in your search and hope you find what you need for your mom!
Corolla front , current gen maxima side profile outback sedan ride height I don’t hate it somehow
This thing is not gonna be cheap though probably out of price range for the middle class.
@@111danish111 plus inflation but it will be expensive either way
I like the tall-sedan look. Sedans became lower better to separate them from CUVs, but they became less convenient and uncomfortable if you don't like a reclined driving position.
True, a change I hadn’t noticed since I drive a “normal height” sedan for 15 years until I got a 2022 Avalon. Sure the Avalon is nice but after driving it for a few months I realize it’s too low to the ground for me. However, as you said, all newer sedans are low to the ground now so I got decided to pull the trigger on my 2022 Avalon. I wish I could have held out for the Crown. All it takes is one back injury or growing older and you will look at low (now normal) height sedans differently.
I’d be worried about my safety in a low modern sedan. You’d get taken out by a RAV4 or CRV errant driver. Never mind all the giant body on frame vehicles roaming the streets. The Crown will be much safer. A few inches makes all the difference in override crashes.
Yes, bring the hatch! And the wagon too for those of us who really like wagons.
@11:06 Living in Colorado not having a rear viper is not a good thing. 21in wheels also not going to help in CO potholes. Hope high trims offer smaller wheel option for functionality and let non car people buy 21s for the looks..😁 Same story for 2 tone color scheme with a black roof. I prefer not to have a black roof on hot days. That steering wheel and door panels does not seem it belongs to the "Crown" name. Pretty much that interior looks like its in the same Corolla / Camry class. That odd placement of volume button is pretty bad design imo. May be all that cheapness to keep the price around $30K-35K? If not I think something like Venza is a better option.
I agree fully my CO brethren it’s non practical for such large rims to exist for a daily driver in CO or anywhere for that matter. I suspect it will cost more than the Avalon it “replaces.”
I like this a lot. A hatch would make for more cargo room but also more noise. I'm happy they made a new sedan instead of a crossover.
This 100% makes sense as an Avalon replacement. If you think of where the Avalon was in the lineup, it was too close to the Camry and the Lexus ES. This - THIS is a standout that certainly takes a spot in the lineup, without being close to any Toyota/Lexus vehicle.
Being older, to me it’s just a regular sedan that you can easily get into. My 2008 Sebring (which was a fantastic car despite what haters say) was 59” in height. The Crown is 60.6”. So …sedan.
Why should all vehicles be designed for old people like you? We already have far too many crossovers in the market designed for old people to easily get into, now even the sedans have to be lifted for old people?
@@braetonwilson4296 hmmm never said they should. I simply stated my point of view as to why I think it’s simply a sedan.
@@braetonwilson4296wtf, what a stupid conclusion to draw 🤣
The low sidewall, big rim is a trend that one day will be exposed as "what were we thinking?" Anything less than a 1g turn and there is no logical reason for this design.
I don't like it either, especially on 4WDs, but it allows bigger brakes and is safer if a blowout occurs.
@@RKmndo Ok sure, however full size trucks over 6,000# can fit oem or brembo / multi piston brakes in 18” rims, anything larger is for aesthetics - although ugly to me.
Good review Tommy. I like the Crown sedan but expect it will be priced too high. Inflation and high car interest rates is going to kill car sales. Average people can't afford new vehicles.
Probably the first Toyota car I would consider. I especially liked the NISSAN sponsorship playing during a Toyota review 🤣
Toyota Hybrid “B” mode on the gear selector is NOT “Re-gen”. It is engine braking.
It does not increase, it REDUCES the amount of electricity generated.
It sets the CVT transmission into a ratio similar to a low gear on a standard gearbox, slowing the car down by making more parts spin harder.
The re-gen brakes are attached near the wheel, and take some of the effort off the standard brakes, which are reduced in size.
The disadvantage to this is when the battery becomes completely full, there is nowhere to send the extra energy, putting stress on the standard battery and brakes.
“B” mode is only for going down massive mountain passes or long steep roads once the hybrid battery is close to full. In these rare circumstances, using it will extend the life of your brakes.
It should not be used for everyday driving because it will only make the engine work harder, use more gas, and regen less
Best review of the new Crown.
It does look funky and doesn't return the same mileage as my 2020 Avalon hybrid.
I just picked up a 2015 Lexus es300h with low miles & one owner. Great comfort and mpg.
I only miss not having the Birds Eye View. Thanks again Tommy for a great review.
FYI, I bought a 05 Lexus LS430 after watching your review with your good friend & it is incredible for the $
love the car but worried about how much the different trims will be and if they're going to end up overpricing it
What do you know about the Tundra Crown which is supposed to sit above the capstone coming soon?
Looks amazing. I'd buy one for sure if was available in Australia.
Interesting car/concept. I bought 2022 VW Arteon SEL R-Line few weeks ago and it seems to have much more rear seat legroom than the Crown and love that the VW has a hatchback. Always enjoy seeing what all carmakers are doing to their cars.
do you know if the max awd ver is a version of the lexus direct4 system, just not in name?
Does it have the trunk release open with your foot underneath?
No
I have 2019 Avalon Touring what I love about it is rides great it is low, long and wide! I would look at a Lexus ES as a replacement next year but I will give the Crown a look also!
I’d keep your Avalon touring. It has a much better infotainment system and luxury features lacking on the ES.
I like it! Exterior is very distinctive and interior looks great!
I agree! It's different and it's not an SUV.
The Toyota Crown looks pretty cool 😎
Before 2000, we used to call these cars sedans. Then everyone changed the definition of sedan. Now sedan means sportscar. 20 inch wheels with 40 series tires and 1 inch of ground clearance in all sedans now. This is literally a normal, regular looking sedan. There is nothing crossovery about it. This car has no more ground clearance than a 95 Camry.
This is just what I wanted. AWD plus Higher HP engine options, a bit higher for easy entry/exit and a traditional truck I can hide all my good stuff in.... you can't really get this anywhere else and I have been looking and looking....
I like how the sponsors are Nissan but your reviewing a Toyota haha 😂
@@andreiionescu205 💯👍
AWD hybrid six speed available with lots of power? Love to see it.
I'm personally not looking to buy one (as long as I'm single, I can't see myself buying a brand new Toyota without a GR badge), but it's great to see offerings like this on the market.
2:11 - 2:15 luv how all reviewers really dig deep into explaining the mechanicals
Reminds me vaguely of the last gen ford Taurus. It’s a huge sedan that seems swollen and sits higher up than other sedans. Very excited for this car, I want a fuel efficient sedan that’s big and not luxurious
Get an 80s Chevy impala... my grandma had 2 of them..one was red..front bench seat was like a couch...small block v8 would roast the rear tires.
I got the ad that you played in the video as the ad before the video.
It’s a tough market out there. However, with all the price gouging any new options are appreciated and can help people get into a new car without drama.
The version you have is hot. The 21’s with the black hood👍🏼 It looks like a Honda Crosstour and should’ve been a hatch IMO.
I personally love that it sits up higher. I have a bad back and can't sit in cars that are too low. So im hoping this will help with that
Fantastic job by toyota .best full size sedan/ wagon in its class .❤❤. Haters will always exist
Many people buy SUVs and vehicles with a bigger ride height for visibility except everyone is doing the same thing for the same reason so it makes their reasoning negligible, hence more pickups on the road and lifted pickups, meanwhile drivers like me that don't like SUVs, drives my sedan to work or for short trips and only uses his pickup for utilitarian purposes. Get stuck behind these towering vehicles with people behind the wheel that feel like they're 'kings' of the road unable to see around them and almost getting taken out because they don't check blind spots or look down to notice I'm there. Happens when I'm on my motorcycle too. Now they're making "taller sedans".
"the whole high riding sedan thing is just a little bit confusing to me."
Word.
Wow! Very interesting! I have to say it looks better than a Tesla and the two tone paint looks amazing! If the Impala or the Taurus would have had a redesign similar to this, perhaps they would still be around. So glad that there are still CARS available to purchase.
That’s right where I live! How’d you like Franklin? :)
I wonder if the next gen Camry will be similar with an elevated ride height too?
Saw this car on a local lot. This is one very nice looking car. If I get one it will be the performance hybrid system.
Honda tried a similar formula with their CrossTour and it did not go well for them. I predict the same fate for the Crown.
The interior does look a bit down market but hooray for the buttons and no piano black. Someone’s been listening. The high seat height in a low riding car makes sense to me as does the standard AWD.
Kind of the same reaction when crossover “SUVs” came out.
Some interesting design decisions:
1. Higher seat height but normal step in height is great for people with bad backs
2. Toyota is probably going for great power/fuel efficiency/price balance with 340hp
3. Sedan will be quieter than an SUV and the loss in practicality is probably acceptable given the audience is less likely to haul big bulky things
4. Huge wheels and normal ground clearance help to give the sedan a sleeker look for people who aren't fans of the SUV
I have a 2020 AWD Camry and my one complaint is ground clearance. The Crown looks really nice and the extra ground clearance will be nice with the AWD. Think I found my next Toyota.
Your AWD Camry may have less ground clearance but your Camry is much more attractive than the crown
I have a 2020 Camry XSE v6 and the crown looks to be a downgrade vs the Camry
Cool, but where are the fender mirrors?
What a great looking vehicle, very useful for people who still want a car but also need to get small kids in and out of it without smacking their head on the ceiling
I can't imagine paying a premium for a full-size sedan and get an economy level interior.
This Crown is simply shifting the luxury scale towards more to the Lexus for consumers who wants both premium exterior and interior.
The Avalon was a great happy medium of exterior and interior quality for consumers who wanted Toyota luxury without spending Lexus dollars.
The interior seems so incongruous to the exterior, like the design and materials were pulled out of the Toyota parts bin. The exterior design, powertrain, and tech look dope.
Amazing car! Very good video, I like you Chanel, I wait more videos. How to develop a whole TH-cam channel?
Would be ideal if it was a hatchback (like the Stinger)
And maybe a mechanical AWD system. Might as well throw in a manual transmission too since it's just as unlikely!
I like the general direction, and definitely agree with others about how the wheels are too damned big.
Wow, a car with a bit of color pallet and body styling. Red/Black is very nice looking.
Love the look, would want single tone paint, lowered a little bit and 19’s wheels.
The crown used to be the affordable version of lexus LS400. It's super reliable, quite, very comfortable on long highway trip. Looks and feels premium. Now I see it more like a fancy version of Toyota corolla.
This style of sedan may be a trend Stellantis makes PEUGEOT 408 which appears to be very similar to this. No word if it will arrive in some form in the US yet.
WOW FINALLY what Akio Toyoda said NO MORE BORING CARS is now the reality!
After so many decades, Toyota does not finally create boring cars.And especially in relation to the German VW still makes reliable cars. Because Made In Germany died in 1992.
Subaru called this type of vehicle a Sport Utility Sedan, or "SUS" in the early 00's when they gave the legacy the same treatment.
I am not a fan of it; I don't like CUVs, so why would I like something with all of the shortcomings of a CUV (high ride height, crap handling, worse fuel economy) with none of the advantages (cargo capacity)? Performance wagon please & thank you.
Nice job Tommy! This car is weird. It is tall like you would need if it was an EV with a skateboard platform. Maybe an EV version will come. As is this thing to looks like a flop waiting to happen. The Ioniq 6 will be kind of tall also. I would so choose that before the crown. The space looks just as good and the interior of the Ioniq 6 and being an EV make this thing look like it is from 5 years ago.
Considering Stinger GT2 myself. But was interested. Now not so much since not a fastback and interior space is meh.
Did Toyota not allow you to film the interior of the upscale red model?
is it me or the moonroof is a bit smaller on the driver side? it seems half of a regular moonroof.
This reminds me of the Honda accord Crosstour. But looks like it’s going to be a pain in the ass to haul.
340 hp and 400 tq, and a 5.7s 0-60? Does it weigh 6,000 lbs?
It's a Toyota, so you can expect it to be overbuilt... and slow as molasses.
It’s as fast as a Camry v6. And gets the same mpg 26 combined 😂
I feel like this is the first new Toyota I've seen, minus the Tundra, where the center screen doesn't look like it was bolted on at the last second of designing.
The Crown line is a family of vehicles. This high-roof configuration makes more sense with the wagon or hatch variants. From what I saw in the media we will eventually get those too. It's confusing that Toyota leads off with this sedan. It doesn't replace the Avalon nor does it provide the utility as other Crown models do. Perhaps Toyota's product line is just getting too complex.
Love that some brands try to keep sedans alive by peparing them for modern market. Also "big and chonky sedans" remind me of futuristic Cyberrpunk designs
19" tires and a small backseat are a downer for those of us who keep their cars for 10 years. My son isn't getting any smaller. I was hoping for an accord sized car without the turbo.
Altima? Camry? Avalon? Legacy?
Basically like a RAV4 Prime power plant now being called Hybid Max on the Platinum trim.
Cool look from a distance! So many panels on that car though. Makes it seem messy up close
Funny thing, the Crown was the top line model in the 60s and early 70s imported into the states it was luxurious, so selling it with hard plastic interior parts is kind of a letdown.
What I’m not sold on is despite being taller than a sedan it’s still low compared to an SUV or Truck so you’re not gaining a better view than either of those vehicle types. 2nd. One of the advantages of a sedan is better handling, will that be true of an elevated sedan? I do think the exterior looks good but the interior finishes are not acceptable if the price point will be over $50k fully loaded.
I think this product will fail because I love it, and I tend to pick cars that literally go out of production 😅😂
Most people have poor taste in cars 😉
I wish Toyota would’ve brought both the crossover and sedan versions of the Crown. I always liked the look of the Crown, but was bummed that we haven’t seen the Crown in decades. The crossover version only option we’re getting is just not enough.
I'd say that it's in the same segment as the old Honda Crosstour, except that the Crown is a sedan instead of a hatchback.
What does it ride like? Any clues there?
Interesting design. I am 6'5". Will I fit?
I do like it - maybe not as much as the Avalon or previous Crowns available in other markets…
Corolla leg room, head room and trunk space at Lexus prices. Also, the hard plastic is inexcusable.
I agree, it should have had a full lift over hatch.
Ford tried the elevated large sedan, Taurus/500, about a decade ago.
Great vid
Ground clearance same as Avalon. The 4” height difference is heightened roof line.
This would have made a gorgeous wagon, and then the raised height wouldn't have looked so awkward compared to CUVs on the road.
Well, Toyota does have the Crown Estate coming sometime in early 2023...
1:31 it's definitely an elevated sedan. The interesting thing is that my data says this should be a surprise hit, but customers are nothing if unpredictable, so only time will tell.
Yeah, they should have gone for the full hatch. They do that on VW arteon, which this competes against.
I like it, but I liked the Avalon too. I agree with Tommy. Interior is pretty low budget.
Do you have to get the two tone? It just doesn’t look right.
@The Fast Lane Car: so it is another Accord Crosstour flop?
My same thought exactly!
Nice video. With the height increase without a ground clearance increase, it looks like a great car for aging boomers.
Wow you have an ad within the video now? I hope that doesn't spread to other channels.
The Toyota Crown never stopped being built. Like everything else due to our wonderful government, we never had that either. The Toyota Crown was always ahead of its time in Japan and very reliable.