One thing I do wanna add (aside from apologizing for any random audio pops in the video, which were not intended), is that while I spoke negatively about Sonic Forces throughout the video. It doesn't mean I outright hate the game. In fact, I do play through it a couple times a year, despite the issues I have with it. Don't ask why, cuz even I don't know why I get the itch to play through it again. All I'm doing, is merely comparing the two games, in a different light than everyone else is/was doing. Which has so far, spread a bunch of paranoia around Shadow Generations. At least, before the latest batch of trailers, the Dark Beginnings episodes & the Tokyo Games Show gameplay started popping up in the past couple of weeks. Once all that happened, all that discourse started to become radio silent. Soo... yeah, that's all I wanted to say. Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna go resume my break. :)
Fun Fact: Episode Shadow in Forces was originally gonna be much longer than what we got. There are tons of unused dialogue and Jackel Squad members as boss fights
@@KyndlingStoneCB Because they KNEW they released some 🐂💩 and figured fans would be distracted by the fact that Shadow is finally playable in a mainline game
That’s the Sammy part of SegaSammy interfering with the games. They didn’t want good games, they wanted a relatable hero for the kids. To improve their reputation, since they are life destroying scum running a gambling “business”. But Frontiers and the movies (I’m guessing especially the movies), might put Sonic in a position where he could earn significant profits from them to hold these games to a higher standard. It’s likely why we’ve been seeing a steady improvement in quality in recent years. Thank god Sega decided to go back to Classic and Modern Sonic. If it were up to Sammy, we may have been stuck with that Boom garbage, if it didn’t bomb so spectacularly.
It’s actually been confirmed that Doom Wing will require Shadow to collect 50 rings to activate it, making it kind of like his equivalent to Super Sonic in Sonic Generations, who also requires 50 rings to activate and has the ability to fly
8:32 Wow, that’s something I'm really surprised and happy about. Good to know some people from the Gens and Unleased team are returning to make the new content. I think that would help keep it in line with those two games and their quality. Now I'm getting a bit more optimistic, here.
You know it's implied that shadow wiped out infinite's squad. People make fun of him for being angry but no one thinks why he got that angry over something other characters would walk off. If he couldn't avenge this comrads then this makes alot more sence. Not only that but I'm pretty sure shadow kicked out his eye based on the way he holds his right eye, and that would explain the mask having the right eye blacked out. And I'm pretty sure people willfully ignorant of this but infinte messed with shadow's head when he got the ruby and made the world think he turned on them again.
I actually never looked at Infinite's anger like that. I mean, yes. He does mention it. But it's far more apparent that he's focused on Shadow's comment, after the fact. Fueling whatever rage was already there. Involving Infinite's eye, that COULD be why his face wasn't shown in that cutscene??? But yeah, Infinite getting back at Shadow for what he did, was actually a pretty good story decision. I just wished they went further with it. Tho I never really pieced the "making the world think he turned on them again" part, back into it.
This game was the first Sonic game that I had full knowledge of with it’s release cycle. From the leaks coming out the day before to me pre-ordering the game and even convincing myself to get a PS5 for the best experiences, I think this ride has been crazy.
The unfortunate thing I have to note as a correction: The chain homing attack Shadow does in Forces is not exclusive to him, it's actually the enemy chain itself that causes that, it's just an enemy type (group) that never appears in the base game. (It's actually a reused enemy from Lost World's mach speed level, doing the same in that level). So Shadow has absolutely no exclusive abilities in either the base game of Forces or Episode Shadow
See, I wouldn't have known that. Cuz the only version of Lost World I've played, was the 3DS version. Which didn't have any of those types of stages. There were auto-run & snowboarding sections, but I believe it was impossible to do anything other than running & jumping.
It doesn't really need any changes, just slightly better writing overall. If anything, have him acknowledge what the other members meant to him and elaborate on what exactly Shadow did to them
Just a quick note, but Chaos Snap and by extension Lance only work with Chaos Boost up in 06. Snap doesn't have a specific animation or effect, but you do instantly teleport to enemies with it and skip the actual homing animation (the camera is very jarring though due to the lack of the transition). It can warp through hazards to hit enemies and springs and what not though (if I remember correctly, this was a glitch turned required feature in some of the Very Hard dlc stages for 06). But yeah anyways, that's where the idea for that property of SXSG's Snap comes from.
I honestly forgot about the whole mechanic of activating switches from inside of force fields via Chaos Snap. It's been years since I played '06 proper, so I was worried that I'd get the Chaos Snap aspect of it wrong with this video. Also didn't help matters that all the walkthroughs I looked up, nobody really used it. So I wasn't 100% sure on it when mentioning it.
@@BlueKnightV20Oh yeah no worries dude. That aspect of bypassing gates with it is pretty unknown and has niche applications by itself. I'm not surprised at all that most people wouldn't remember it.
It would be a good idea if Shadow makes an appearance in the next Mainline Sonic Game as a playable character. I don’t know how Shadow’s Generation story will tie in to the main story in Sonic Generations but I’m thinking you might have the option to either play the main story first or Shadow’s story. I also noticed that a level from Forces was featured in the game trailers and I’m thinking that it sort of a lost level cut from the final version. 5:25; 6:56 It’s kind of funny that you compared some of Shadow’s abilities to Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter in this video.
My guess is that the doom powers slowly corrupt him as if you watch the animations when you get them he looks like he’s in pain and resisting it so my guess is that it can corrupt shadow slowly
Yeah my guess is that the doom powers are supposed to corrupt shadow that is why Shadow says "I will take this power and make it my own" he us banking in him being able ti overpower doom's attempts at corrupting him while using his own power against him
Infinite and Mephiles were practically cut from the same cloth, yet Mephiles was given the opportunity to make a reappearance? What’s so atrocious about redeeming Infinite’s character? He honestly needs to be redeemed after being a victim of a terrible game.
Sonic has a light-speed dash, but it only works on rings. Tho he didn't have it in Forces. Least to my knowledge, it's possible the game never told me. As for the custom character, I believe it's only possible with the Lightning Wispon equipped. But yeah, similar idea, just reskinned.
@BlueKnightV20 Sonic/Shadow also have a wall jump despite never using it. There's a video on TH-cam about some cut content from Forces, check it out when you can.
I think his doom powers are going to cure Maria's illness. So that way doom has leverage over shadow. If the venom parallel are anything to go by this might be the case.
I don't know. Providing they actually wanna go that route. But would it be worth doing, if the timeline is fixed back to the way it was? Again, I don't know. But that one Eggman Memo in Frontiers, to me. Suggests Maria's fate won't be reversed.
@@BlueKnightV20 maybe shadow story its after sonic frontiers maybe shadow its from that time so when shadow cure maria her fate will be another one maybe one more happy? Where she get to live years and to die of old age? Maybe she even will be a doctor? Anyway we will only know when the game relese
I have 2 questions 1. Will you ever do a video on the rayman games? And 2. Do you like the voice actor Vincent tong who voices knuckles in sonic prime Kai from Lego ninjago and gene khan/the mandarin from iron man armored adventures
I hope later down the line sega makes free expansion packs for sonic x shadow generations wich feature stages from sonic mania,sonic lostworld and sonic super stars!!!! 💛💖💖❤️💖💖💖
so…. is nobody gonna talk about how shadow straight up admits killing the entirety of jackal squad? not even joking in episode shadow when shadow hides before sneak attacking infinite infinite tries to call out for his squad only for shadow to be like”jokes on you their all dead🤡”
@@ceylancobalt3117 no like shadow straight up says he did only to infinite's realization when Jackal squad doesn't answer his back up request. besides shadow didn't know jackal so didn't know zero(infinite) or his connection to that group till he calls for back up from his prospective a gang unthreatened to kill him only for shadow to retaliate by killing them
also, I recently did a replay of Sonic Forces and honest opinions. It’s not as bad as people keep saying it was in fact, I’d consider it one of the best games to introduce someone to the sonic series do not have your expectations so low, but also not so high it’s a good mid and I’m okey with that
Yeah, I might've came across as more negative towards Forces than necessary. Cuz I don't outright hate the game. But I was also in a hurry because I was in desperate need of a break from my own content, before Shadow Generations launches. And I had a video for another channel to work on. So it was unfortunate that I didn't get to imply any positivity towards Forces in this video. Despite having done so in previous videos. :)
One thing I do wanna add (aside from apologizing for any random audio pops in the video, which were not intended), is that while I spoke negatively about Sonic Forces throughout the video. It doesn't mean I outright hate the game. In fact, I do play through it a couple times a year, despite the issues I have with it. Don't ask why, cuz even I don't know why I get the itch to play through it again.
All I'm doing, is merely comparing the two games, in a different light than everyone else is/was doing. Which has so far, spread a bunch of paranoia around Shadow Generations. At least, before the latest batch of trailers, the Dark Beginnings episodes & the Tokyo Games Show gameplay started popping up in the past couple of weeks. Once all that happened, all that discourse started to become radio silent.
Soo... yeah, that's all I wanted to say. Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna go resume my break. :)
Fun Fact: Episode Shadow in Forces was originally gonna be much longer than what we got. There are tons of unused dialogue and Jackel Squad members as boss fights
👀 I actually didn't know that! Guess I need to go look into this! :)
Where did the Jackal Squad fight factor into things? I don't remember hearing about any sort of references of them in the game files
They definitely could’ve released it AFTER Forces. Idk why they rushed it for the same day.
@@KyndlingStoneCB Because they KNEW they released some 🐂💩 and figured fans would be distracted by the fact that Shadow is finally playable in a mainline game
That’s the Sammy part of SegaSammy interfering with the games. They didn’t want good games, they wanted a relatable hero for the kids. To improve their reputation, since they are life destroying scum running a gambling “business”. But Frontiers and the movies (I’m guessing especially the movies), might put Sonic in a position where he could earn significant profits from them to hold these games to a higher standard. It’s likely why we’ve been seeing a steady improvement in quality in recent years. Thank god Sega decided to go back to Classic and Modern Sonic. If it were up to Sammy, we may have been stuck with that Boom garbage, if it didn’t bomb so spectacularly.
It’s actually been confirmed that Doom Wing will require Shadow to collect 50 rings to activate it, making it kind of like his equivalent to Super Sonic in Sonic Generations, who also requires 50 rings to activate and has the ability to fly
Yeah, I seen that not even an hour after the video went up. Had I known, I would've included it.
@@BlueKnightV20 the only thing I’m not sure about is if it’ll slowly burn rings like a Super form does
@@UltraSTH It likely will since Infinite and the Sonic Frontiers Titan require a ton of power to properly defeat.
8:32 Wow, that’s something I'm really surprised and happy about. Good to know some people from the Gens and Unleased team are returning to make the new content. I think that would help keep it in line with those two games and their quality. Now I'm getting a bit more optimistic, here.
You know it's implied that shadow wiped out infinite's squad. People make fun of him for being angry but no one thinks why he got that angry over something other characters would walk off. If he couldn't avenge this comrads then this makes alot more sence. Not only that but I'm pretty sure shadow kicked out his eye based on the way he holds his right eye, and that would explain the mask having the right eye blacked out. And I'm pretty sure people willfully ignorant of this but infinte messed with shadow's head when he got the ruby and made the world think he turned on them again.
I actually never looked at Infinite's anger like that. I mean, yes. He does mention it. But it's far more apparent that he's focused on Shadow's comment, after the fact. Fueling whatever rage was already there.
Involving Infinite's eye, that COULD be why his face wasn't shown in that cutscene???
But yeah, Infinite getting back at Shadow for what he did, was actually a pretty good story decision. I just wished they went further with it. Tho I never really pieced the "making the world think he turned on them again" part, back into it.
This game was the first Sonic game that I had full knowledge of with it’s release cycle. From the leaks coming out the day before to me pre-ordering the game and even convincing myself to get a PS5 for the best experiences, I think this ride has been crazy.
The unfortunate thing I have to note as a correction: The chain homing attack Shadow does in Forces is not exclusive to him, it's actually the enemy chain itself that causes that, it's just an enemy type (group) that never appears in the base game. (It's actually a reused enemy from Lost World's mach speed level, doing the same in that level). So Shadow has absolutely no exclusive abilities in either the base game of Forces or Episode Shadow
See, I wouldn't have known that. Cuz the only version of Lost World I've played, was the 3DS version. Which didn't have any of those types of stages.
There were auto-run & snowboarding sections, but I believe it was impossible to do anything other than running & jumping.
I'm still curious how Ian Flyyn I gonna fix up Infinite's character development If he does appers In Sonic X Shadow Generations?
Probably just gonna stay worthless again.
It doesn't really need any changes, just slightly better writing overall. If anything, have him acknowledge what the other members meant to him and elaborate on what exactly Shadow did to them
i mean they dont really need to do anything if he's gonna be a boss lol
He doesn't need to overhaul his character, just expand on what was implied in forces. His squad's "death", the ruby corrupting his mind ect...
@@androgamerzx389that's stupid.
Just a quick note, but Chaos Snap and by extension Lance only work with Chaos Boost up in 06. Snap doesn't have a specific animation or effect, but you do instantly teleport to enemies with it and skip the actual homing animation (the camera is very jarring though due to the lack of the transition). It can warp through hazards to hit enemies and springs and what not though (if I remember correctly, this was a glitch turned required feature in some of the Very Hard dlc stages for 06). But yeah anyways, that's where the idea for that property of SXSG's Snap comes from.
I honestly forgot about the whole mechanic of activating switches from inside of force fields via Chaos Snap.
It's been years since I played '06 proper, so I was worried that I'd get the Chaos Snap aspect of it wrong with this video. Also didn't help matters that all the walkthroughs I looked up, nobody really used it. So I wasn't 100% sure on it when mentioning it.
@@BlueKnightV20Oh yeah no worries dude. That aspect of bypassing gates with it is pretty unknown and has niche applications by itself. I'm not surprised at all that most people wouldn't remember it.
5:46 i mean it is true. The gun and motorcycle are useless technically to him. He alrdy hits harder and faster
It would be a good idea if Shadow makes an appearance in the next Mainline Sonic Game as a playable character. I don’t know how Shadow’s Generation story will tie in to the main story in Sonic Generations but I’m thinking you might have the option to either play the main story first or Shadow’s story. I also noticed that a level from Forces was featured in the game trailers and I’m thinking that it sort of a lost level cut from the final version.
5:25; 6:56 It’s kind of funny that you compared some of Shadow’s abilities to Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter in this video.
they just needa give us sonic shadow and silver again, 🫡🫡
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My guess is that the doom powers slowly corrupt him as if you watch the animations when you get them he looks like he’s in pain and resisting it so my guess is that it can corrupt shadow slowly
Yeah my guess is that the doom powers are supposed to corrupt shadow that is why Shadow says "I will take this power and make it my own" he us banking in him being able ti overpower doom's attempts at corrupting him while using his own power against him
Infinite and Mephiles were practically cut from the same cloth, yet Mephiles was given the opportunity to make a reappearance? What’s so atrocious about redeeming Infinite’s character? He honestly needs to be redeemed after being a victim of a terrible game.
Sonic also has the Light Speed Homing Attack. They're exactly the same, just a reskin. Same with the Avatar, except the avatar doesn't have a boost.
Sonic has a light-speed dash, but it only works on rings. Tho he didn't have it in Forces. Least to my knowledge, it's possible the game never told me.
As for the custom character, I believe it's only possible with the Lightning Wispon equipped.
But yeah, similar idea, just reskinned.
@BlueKnightV20 Sonic/Shadow also have a wall jump despite never using it. There's a video on TH-cam about some cut content from Forces, check it out when you can.
@@gipadamus Yeah, I was just looking at the Cutting Room Floor for the game, albeit for a different reason. But I did see that in there. :)
I think his doom powers are going to cure Maria's illness. So that way doom has leverage over shadow. If the venom parallel are anything to go by this might be the case.
I don't know. Providing they actually wanna go that route. But would it be worth doing, if the timeline is fixed back to the way it was?
Again, I don't know. But that one Eggman Memo in Frontiers, to me. Suggests Maria's fate won't be reversed.
@@BlueKnightV20 maybe shadow story its after sonic frontiers maybe shadow its from that time so when shadow cure maria her fate will be another one maybe one more happy? Where she get to live years and to die of old age? Maybe she even will be a doctor? Anyway we will only know when the game relese
I have 2 questions 1. Will you ever do a video on the rayman games? And 2. Do you like the voice actor Vincent tong who voices knuckles in sonic prime Kai from Lego ninjago and gene khan/the mandarin from iron man armored adventures
When is the next video ?
Working on some, just takes time.
@BlueKnightV20 okay
I hope later down the line sega makes free expansion packs for sonic x shadow generations wich feature stages from sonic mania,sonic lostworld and sonic super stars!!!! 💛💖💖❤️💖💖💖
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so…. is nobody gonna talk about how shadow straight up admits killing the entirety of jackal squad? not even joking in episode shadow when shadow hides before sneak attacking infinite infinite tries to call out for his squad only for shadow to be like”jokes on you their all dead🤡”
I doubt he killed them. Why would he let Infinite live then? Kill the minions but not their boss? Pretty illogical.
@@ceylancobalt3117 no like shadow straight up says he did only to infinite's realization when Jackal squad doesn't answer his back up request. besides shadow didn't know jackal so didn't know zero(infinite) or his connection to that group till he calls for back up from his prospective a gang unthreatened to kill him only for shadow to retaliate by killing them
also, I recently did a replay of Sonic Forces and honest opinions. It’s not as bad as people keep saying it was in fact, I’d consider it one of the best games to introduce someone to the sonic series do not have your expectations so low, but also not so high it’s a good mid and I’m okey with that
@@DOYOUGOTGAMEONYOURPHONE Thank you. At least someone gets it
Yeah, I might've came across as more negative towards Forces than necessary. Cuz I don't outright hate the game. But I was also in a hurry because I was in desperate need of a break from my own content, before Shadow Generations launches. And I had a video for another channel to work on.
So it was unfortunate that I didn't get to imply any positivity towards Forces in this video. Despite having done so in previous videos. :)