The Controversial Changes in Sonic X Shadow Generations

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  • @peckneck2439
    @peckneck2439 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +92

    So basically in this wonderful rewrite it seems like classic sonic ate knuckles' island because he awkwardly touches his belly after knuckles asks about the island...

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +15

      Sometimes you just so hungry you accidentally eat a whole island. We've all been there.

    • @choonweichan4600
      @choonweichan4600 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Classic Sonic is like: I thought it was cake!

    • @jPlay7MC
      @jPlay7MC 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      no he ate the grapes

    • @supermathews0209
      @supermathews0209 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Suspiciously Angel Island shaped Sonic

    • @kirotalksyt
      @kirotalksyt  52 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      That's what it looks like yeah lol

  • @DelusionalDunmer
    @DelusionalDunmer 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +94

    2:27 I would like to add that Sonic does canonically recognize Green Hill. We all know the infamous line in Sonic Forces "Green Hill is looking a lot more like Sand Hill right now"

    • @Crump-I6x
      @Crump-I6x 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      What does that prove, just cause he remembers it later doesn't mean he remembers it at the time of Gens.

    • @DaNintendude
      @DaNintendude 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

      There's also Sonic Prime, which shows Sonic sees Green Hill as a really important place. It's not his home but it's a place he likes to visit a lot.
      As much as I dislike Prime being canon, it should at least be considered.
      I doubt Sonic randomly started to appreciate and hang out in Green Hill after Generations. It was probably an ongoing thing.

    • @gunman8452
      @gunman8452 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      Look at it from the perspective of when the game came out, Green Hill only appeared in spin-offs like racing games, the only main games that featured it we're Sonic 1, Adventure 2, and Generations

    • @Crump-I6x
      @Crump-I6x 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      @DaNintendude Prime isn't canon nor should it be as Sonic has a different characterization there and Sonic hanging out in Green Hill after Gens isn't random and could've totally happened. He probably did find it really nice and started hanging out there more after Gens, it isn't anymore random then him deciding to hang out in any other zone.

    • @DaNintendude
      @DaNintendude 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

      @Crump-I6x Prime _is_ canon.
      I wouldn't like it to be, and I agree about characterization, but it's been stated to be canon.
      With that being said, there actually _is_ evidence that Sonic is more familiar with Green Hill than we'd believe.
      Note how at the beginning of Sonic Generations, Classic Sonic is running through Green Hill Zone. It's possible that he was ripped straight from the events of Sonic 1, but based on Sonic's familiarity with Robotnik and Classic Tails, that moment would've at least been after Sonic 2.
      This means that Sonic has indeed returned to Green Hill outside of Sonic 1.

  • @Darksencevious
    @Darksencevious 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +274

    5:20 he ate Angel Island 💀

    • @Avriel_Mimiga
      @Avriel_Mimiga 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +25

      he eated it

    • @deringjosuegarcia1531
      @deringjosuegarcia1531 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      Inhale the whole thing

    • @brokenbone9518
      @brokenbone9518 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      Light snack for Sonic.

    • @anointilisque7768
      @anointilisque7768 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Shin sonic

    • @KadanHollifield-fe8er
      @KadanHollifield-fe8er 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Only the dialogue was changed, not be animation at the original dialogue was knuckles saying
      "have you gotten fatter?"

  • @willbrgamer5137
    @willbrgamer5137 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +224

    About Amy:
    The cutscenes were changed, but her dialogues in the white space still include her flirting

    • @Super70000
      @Super70000 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      no it is changed

    • @willbrgamer5137
      @willbrgamer5137 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +46

      @@Super70000
      Have you tried talking to her right after the cutscene? None of the dialogues of the characters outside of the cutscenes has been changed.

    • @Super70000
      @Super70000 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@willbrgamer5137 oh i thought you meant the cutscene after you rescue her my bad

    • @Chillin-jg8vg
      @Chillin-jg8vg 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +20

      Yet anti woke Grifters complain about Amy not loving Sonic.

    • @Winder_Storm
      @Winder_Storm 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      Is that line about her saying her “teamwork leads to marriage, wait sonic come back” still there I just recently found out about it , man they did Amy so dirty in og gens , I’m happy they changed it but it shouldn’t have been a problem in the first place

  • @promaster424
    @promaster424 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +234

    This game's remake is like gaslighting yourself that you were a better person in the past than you actually were

    • @KperaOfficial
      @KperaOfficial 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +25

      This is so freaking accurate to all the 2010s games...

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +13

      Only year I miss from the 2010s is 2010 itself, it really felt like we were slowly entering a new era with the rise of Smartphones and Social Media, some video games would play it safe by doing nostalgia pandering and I think it’s from the success of Megaman 9.

    • @nyeeeofthestarsz1804
      @nyeeeofthestarsz1804 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@brandonwilliams6119 I formed my first thoughts in 2010 (I was 4). More seriously my favorite year in the 2010's is 2015, we got Undertale this year, FNAF the year before and dragon ball super anime was at its peak.

    • @Christian-gr3gu
      @Christian-gr3gu 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yes because showing rouge back and having Amy hug sonic, is bad

    • @xnortheast1106
      @xnortheast1106 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Christian-gr3guIt's still unnecessary censorship

  • @NefariousLoto
    @NefariousLoto 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +392

    Swear the Sonic Fanbase are so freakin divisive 🤣

    • @kirotalksyt
      @kirotalksyt  21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +90

      Yeah seems like that will always be the case 😅

    • @susped645
      @susped645 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +81

      Any little change and they split up like the Earth in Unleashed.

    • @Platitudinous9000
      @Platitudinous9000 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +43

      it's usually a vocal minority tbh. like, in any fanbase. if you hear about people online complaining about something, it's probably not nearly as many people as you think, the ones complaining are just really noisy about it

    • @egamerej
      @egamerej 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

      and literally for what reason, we got a good ass sonic game, cry about it i guess 😂

    • @Friendlyplushyadventures
      @Friendlyplushyadventures 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

      just like every other gaming franchise of course its divisive people have their own opinions

  • @butchebk01
    @butchebk01 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +83

    The main issue i have with the rouge change is practicality. Her new outfit makes no sense. how is she supposed to put it on when her wings would get in the way. thats what i always thought was the reason she wore open back clothing to accommodate her wings

    • @Burgerbro7117
      @Burgerbro7117 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +27

      I felt similar at first, but then I remembered that these games had never been practical. Rouge wears a full jumpsuit in Sonic Heroes, and her back is covered. Tails shouldn't be able to fly with his tails like helicopter propellers because they would just get twisted at the base.

    • @ughugh5829
      @ughugh5829 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@Burgerbro7117 Mental gymnastics to justify 4Kidz-level Censorship. Ew.

    • @butchebk01
      @butchebk01 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@Burgerbro7117 admittedly the tails thing did bother me after i realised that as well but outside of things like that that dont have a workaround they really should try and keep things that can be made to make sense do so.

    • @TORXINYUEXAVIERSTUDENT
      @TORXINYUEXAVIERSTUDENT 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      I think if a fictional hedgehog can wear shoes, a fictional bat can wear a suit with tiny openings for her wings

    • @ughugh5829
      @ughugh5829 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@TORXINYUEXAVIERSTUDENT There was nothing wrong with it before. Why is it so hard to understand?

  • @LolipooChimichanga
    @LolipooChimichanga 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +121

    There are few reasons why the dialogue feels like a downgrade at least to me:
    - They didn't change much of the animations or lipsyncing for the times they spoke in the OG game
    - The changed lines are either too wordy, or too less of dialogue to fit in (example: ending cutscene when modern and classic sonic and the ending cutscene).This causes their body language to be conlicted with their actual words.
    - The voice direction overall just feels lifeless and fake. Not alot of energy to their lines.
    I'd say the ONLY real improvement in terms of dialogue was letting modern sonic speak after he's saved each of his friends.

    • @LolipooChimichanga
      @LolipooChimichanga 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +15

      For refrences...
      While cool at first, feel too forced at times. I think the original did better in just ALLUDING to it, rather than just putting it infront of your face.
      Like for example: In OG Gens, Tails says after completing Modern Chemical Plant, that the pink water makes him nervous.
      If you have played sonic 2 you would understand why since tails always gets left behind, and it's worse for him when you get to the infamous water climb section.
      The rewrite was worse, since it feels more cheap imo.

    • @LolipooChimichanga
      @LolipooChimichanga 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

      Also the connection between the two stories feels VERY half-baked, which I'm sorry...
      Shouldn't THAT be the focus when it came to rewriting the story???
      Instead in comparison, they focused more on trivial things like how Amy Rose's character is shown, or silver having a chillidog at the ending cutscene (which is obviosuly not finished like everything else with the cutscenes)
      They did all of these little changes, and didn't do anything for one of the most boring final bosses in sonic history???
      Especially when you have the final boss of Shadow Gens in the SAME PACKAGE???
      It just shows that so much more time went into the Shadow portion than having BOTH games be worked on at equal value.

    • @shadowthehedgehog5000
      @shadowthehedgehog5000 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@LolipooChimichangaCouldn't agree with you more

    • @ArtseyHayton06
      @ArtseyHayton06 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@LolipooChimichanga and that's what makes me so upset about the two stories is that they don't connect outside of the Sonic and Shadow interaction

    • @gabrielsofta944
      @gabrielsofta944 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      I completely disagree with your third point. Listening to both the original and new voice lines, I think the voice direction is pretty much the exact same as in the original

  • @Gerbert67
    @Gerbert67 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +54

    My problem with Amy is that they completely retconed her. If frontiers had an Amy character arc where she realized that crushing over sonic all the time is not ok I would be completely fine with this, but she just suddenly magically doesn't love sonic constantly.

    • @SugarRush420
      @SugarRush420 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      She wasn't retconned overtime as she got older she just realized how immature she was to harass sonic constantly

    • @Gerbert67
      @Gerbert67 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

      @SugarRush420 can you tell me in what game this arc happened?

    • @SugarRush420
      @SugarRush420 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Gerbert67 I never said there was an arc for that nor do I think it was even needed, in frontiers we can clearly see that the main cast have really grown/matured and even had time to self reflect on themselves after the events in forces, and because they've matured i think its pretty clear that amy just naturally over time got rid of that crush she had over sonic, it's realistic that people can let go of their childish habits over time and the same thing has definitely happened to Amy, ever since generations we have started to see her sonic-crazy phase in games begin to slowly fade away, in my opinion we don't need an arc to show that's shes over him I feel like that's been clear for a while now, like seriously name one game after generations were she was obsessing or even harassing sonic.

    • @AerinstadasChronicler
      @AerinstadasChronicler 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      SA1 had this

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Other people argue her main character trait is just
      *”Tarot Cards”*

  • @arrombaacasa390
    @arrombaacasa390 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +66

    Sega is literally time eater 😭

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

      Remember Sage from Frontiers? Her name is anagram of Sega as well

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@brandonwilliams6119Has been for ages.

    • @Pumpkinator683
      @Pumpkinator683 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@CptJistuce I see what you did there

  • @DigitalContainer
    @DigitalContainer 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +79

    Honestly, this whole thing could've been mitigated if they had made the change gradual instead of basically retconing her. Had she had an epiphany similar to Dipper from Gravity Falls that you can't force people to love you, only try to be worthy of their love, then the change would have been fine.

    • @mythosinfinite6736
      @mythosinfinite6736 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      She actually did have that revelation. In the comics, during an early arc before the Metal Virus, she mentions that she views Sonic as someone who has to run free on his own. She had some difficulty understanding that, but now she understands it.
      It'd be preferable if it was in a game. But it's still there, at least. Plus, if the comics are going to be canon, it's a good place for small character moments like this.

    • @florntlaze810
      @florntlaze810 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@mythosinfinite6736 The comic canonically takes place after Forces. It would make no sense to add it to a game that takes place in the past.

    • @mythosinfinite6736
      @mythosinfinite6736 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@florntlaze810
      You're not wrong there, but since she still flirts with Sonic in whitespace in this game, it's not as drastic of a change as people are pretending it is. If anything, it's a nice midway difference that could very well be the starting point people are asking for.

    • @florntlaze810
      @florntlaze810 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @mythosinfinite6736 The starting point is whatever game you begin playing. The characters' starting point (personality) is how they were on the canonical timeline; be it Adventure 1-2 Amy, Riders, 06, Lost World, Forces, etc. Retconning the past for the sake of "new" people is disingenuous of an "remaster" of THE go-to starting point game like generations were for many fans. Everyone has their own version of characters that they enjoy redoing them when you can't get the old version (on modern consoles, not steam with the bundle), is criminal, in my opinion.

  • @soraiiro_
    @soraiiro_ 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +37

    I don't think the Sonic Fanbase is only decisive, but more split. There are old fans, new fans, and... weird fans... 💀

    • @ivoneo2806
      @ivoneo2806 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Ok anyone on the Internet is like that

    • @Stickboy321Go
      @Stickboy321Go 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I’m just an old and new fan.

    • @ferro_drip189
      @ferro_drip189 13 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      I’m an old fan, and these new fans are just FUCKING STUPID

  • @joshuataylor7443
    @joshuataylor7443 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +32

    People have an issue with censorship in general man

    • @seacliff217
      @seacliff217 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

      This. I can understand being against the changes in principle while still acknowledging that it doesn't majorly effect the game.

    • @mesacboy7939
      @mesacboy7939 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      It's a game about a talking hedgehogs for kids i think you guys need to get a grip

    • @joshuataylor7443
      @joshuataylor7443 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @ you making people look like there weird for talking about changes they don’t like.

    • @joshuataylor7443
      @joshuataylor7443 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@seacliff217 True, but I think people have a right to be upset about it, if was going to far like death threats than I have a problem with it.

    • @ahsanvirk130
      @ahsanvirk130 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Agreed, its been more rampant regarding japanese games but games like LOUS 2 get away with it due to Soyny's hypocritical double standards

  • @Kezunten
    @Kezunten 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +13

    I kinda like the change made to the Amy and Knuckles interaction. While I do agree that Amy is a strong character, so is Knuckles. It does not make sense that Amy can easily knock over Knuckles barely trying. If she used her hammer, that might have been a different story, but this interaction made Knuckles seem weak and clumsy.

  • @AngelLopez-cy3fw
    @AngelLopez-cy3fw 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +37

    Honestly only change that bums me out is that Knuckles doesn't get sent flying because Strong Amy will always be my favorite Amy

    • @Kutomi1
      @Kutomi1 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +21

      I think the aim there was to make Knuckles not look weak, not to downplay Amy's strength
      Probably biased tho cuz I'm a Knuckles fan

    • @extremmefan7305
      @extremmefan7305 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@Kutomi1 I'm not a Knuckles fan but I agree. If you make Amy suddenly strongarmed then it kinda downplays Knux being the muscle one. It also ends up making him look dumber than he is, because if Amy really was that strong, shouldn't he be amongst the few people to know that already?

    • @Stickboy321Go
      @Stickboy321Go 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Kutomi1finally, someone who actually gets it and knows why they stayed faithful to strength

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      That’s the worst downgrade change ever, also Sonic not holding Amy by the face was so cute and goofy, SXSG is so soulless and sanitized of the funny moments of the original.

    • @xnortheast1106
      @xnortheast1106 57 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Stickboy321Gono

  • @thevarietypacksnaxx405
    @thevarietypacksnaxx405 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +118

    O wow the sonic fan that wrote the script referenced events in the past, thereby making the modern era feel more connected to the series as a whole. And they gave amy self respect. Yep the sonic fans are definitely gonna hate that one

    • @Shendapy
      @Shendapy 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

      Ignore the fat joke being removed I guess. No one complained about these before… so it says many words seeing it changed randomly.
      These companies hire ppl who look for stuff that might be controversial. Same boat as those DEI people. Then when said company adjusts.. they just look for even more stuff to change. So they can validate their ‘work’

    • @yourself1210
      @yourself1210 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +25

      @@Shendapyyou do realize knuckles line would’ve been changed regardless of it was a fat joke or not

    • @flaminginferno6641
      @flaminginferno6641 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +35

      ​@@Shendapyit says nothing beyond being a simple fat joke that doesn't matter, if a fat joke being removed makes you start spewing about DEI and controversial decisions then you are very sensitive person who needs to get over yourself.

    • @king_poyo64
      @king_poyo64 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      It’s especially stupid considering that’s the entire point of the game.

    • @Neoniq41
      @Neoniq41 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +19

      @@Shendapy The line changes are arguably not even related to DEI tho

  • @Leonkennedy19992
    @Leonkennedy19992 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +95

    People are really down bad for a bat

    • @Robospy1
      @Robospy1 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +26

      You better believe it

    • @vOrbZv
      @vOrbZv 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +18

      I think you mean down “bat”

    • @Rush_E-money
      @Rush_E-money 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@vOrbZv “ba-dum tss”

    • @carlosbleu7396
      @carlosbleu7396 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

      It remind me all stupid controversies with Lola in Space Jam 2.

    • @deusherbert-noel2424
      @deusherbert-noel2424 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@vOrbZv Terrible.

  • @SAITEKIKA
    @SAITEKIKA 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +42

    I don't feel strongly about the changes themselves. It's more just the act of altering and censoring stuff is something I dislike on principle. I'd much rather game devs leave older games alone, it feels kinda intrusive that they feel the need to rewrite and tweak things in a way to hide/rewrite the game's original image. Just feels ugly, I'd much rather they just didn't remake it if I had the option. But yeah, even though that's how I feel. I'd be lying if I said I was going to lose sleep over it, nor do I think it's gonna stop me from picking up the game (whenever it goes on sale).

    • @Drydoctor-qo5wt
      @Drydoctor-qo5wt 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      The whole point of a remake is to -you guessed it- REmake a game. They should change stuff, because not everything was great.

    • @Agent_Ice0
      @Agent_Ice0 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +13

      @@Drydoctor-qo5wt To REmake the game and to keep it similar enough to not crap on people's nostalgia, which is what you are really marketing. When you start changing things that people notice and it isn't seen as being for the better, they will complain. REmake the physics, the level design, and FIX what was wrong with the game. Otherwise, leave it.

    • @SAITEKIKA
      @SAITEKIKA 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@Drydoctor-qo5wt The way you have responded suggests you've already made up your mind. I can guess the way this argument would go if I partook in it, so I'll skip to the chase and say I agree to disagree now. If you wanna have an actual discussion with someone, try to phrase things more reasonably next time. I will not be responding to you again, so goodbye.

    • @Lanetgm
      @Lanetgm 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Drydoctor-qo5wtbut IT’s marketed as a remaster not a remake

    • @TheSwordsman100
      @TheSwordsman100 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@Agent_Ice0
      The story and characterization IS what was wrong with Generations. Sonic and Tails should not be having amenisa about places they actively lived in. Fixing the script so that its in line with the games before the awful Meta Era and Frontiers is not a mistake it's a major boon. Sonic is NOT Mario, the Sonic series is supposed to care about it's characterization and continuity.

  • @retrocar7761
    @retrocar7761 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +87

    I like the changes, they give a new twist on an already brilliant game, a big improvement is modern Sonic actually speaks when he saves each friend, instead of just staying silent.

    • @kirotalksyt
      @kirotalksyt  21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +15

      Yeah it was cool to get Modern Sonic’s comments on each character

    • @Stickboy321Go
      @Stickboy321Go 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      And instead of being a jerk to Amy. I know he didn’t show any reaction to the cupcakes but it’s likely he didn’t notice of course

    • @xnortheast1106
      @xnortheast1106 55 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Stickboy321GoHe wasn't being a jerk in the og game stop crying kid

    • @Unknown_User174
      @Unknown_User174 41 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      ⁠@@xnortheast1106Well Amy has been annoying Sonic and has been acting like a Stalking fangirl in the past,
      But Sonic and Amy like each other now.

  • @riripi4
    @riripi4 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +47

    The problem with Amy now is that she isn't 110% anymore she's more 50% when it comes to her emotions. I prefer her old characterization because of it because it was a lot more entertaining to watch a hyperactive fan girl than a stoic woman who feels the need to say she's not a damsel in distress anymore. How about instead of saying it you follow Sonic's example (at least from before) where actions speak louder than words. You would thin Amy would be incredibly frustrated in frontiers for not being able to do anything but she just acts so damn stoic. Comparing Frontiers Amy to murder of the sonic the hedgehog Amy is like night and day. I still would like it if she crushes over sonic personally but at least keep her personality the same don't make her so boring. The change to her character didn't even really happen over time naturally either. Her love for sonic just kind of stopped without a good explanation. The smash bits sonic and shadow series had a better explanation for why Amy stopped liking sonic and that's supposed to be a parody for Christ sake.

    • @thenightwriter619
      @thenightwriter619 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +15

      This, so much this. I would like if they didn't tone down her crush (I mean, maybe don't push it as far as 06, sure, but she was fine in most of the games before and after) but that's really just a symptom of a bigger problem. If they wanna tone down the crush, Boom Amy and TMoStH shows how that could have worked without completely changing her personality. I see so many people claim "oh the only thing they changed was her intensity" or even saying her crush on Sonic was literally her only personality trait, but that's just not true. She was feisty, passionate, energetic, and yeah, a bit violent, in a comic-cartoony way. Some of that's still there to an extent, sure, but by and large this stoic, mother hen type girl that has to constantly state how she's strong and capable just. Isn't the same character. If people like this Amy, more power to them, I don't. I just hate this narrative that "she hasn't changed, she's just grown." No. Growth isn't getting ship-of-theseus'd into a different thing.

    • @Winder_Storm
      @Winder_Storm 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      Someone who understands Amy 🥹

    • @UnrealNeoBat
      @UnrealNeoBat 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      I personally hated how Amy was potrayed back then it she felt like a groupie to a boy band or the majority of Anime Girls who simp over the main male character. It's hard to look past her deeds while she was behaving like that.
      Though I do understand giving her an arc on how she shows restraint on her feelings towards Sonic.

  • @darrinlyons7291
    @darrinlyons7291 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    "and that pink water makes me really nervous" now THAT'S how you do a call back. not even just to Sonic 2, but to the feeling of hearing that Drowning jingle lol

  • @extremmefan7305
    @extremmefan7305 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +23

    I would HOPE Sonic and Tails "remember" Green Hill, given how casually they know the place in Forces afterwards. Same for Chemical Plant. '>_>
    (And if anything, I appreciate pointing out the ORIGINAL LOCATION of Green Hill, because again Forces acted like every-goddamn-where was Green Hill as long as it was a uncivilized grassy area somewhere out there. Again likewise for Chemical Plant but it's every single time it was some kind of factory)
    As for Amy, I prefer the remastered version, although I do agree the original Knuckles slap could've still been fitted in as slapstick comedy (even if I'm fine with the remastered version because I think the SFX they used for it is funny. XD). I personally think Amy in Generations was way, WAY too over-the-top, like this was Heroes Amy all over again even though in Heroes she was basically putting a façade to jokingly act tough in front of Sonic like that one gag in SA2 when she frees him from the prison in Metal Harbor, while here I got no such vibe and instead it just made her seem entirely *obsessed* (about as much as the atrocious "girl talk" scene between her and Elise in 06; ugh).
    I prefer her trying to be "overly sweet" with cupcakes (that, knowing she likes sweets, she probably made herself) to try to win Sonic over, it shows she has an understanding (albeit an incomplete one at this point in time) of Sonic's liking for personal space, instead of her bordering on a parasite always requiring a hug. (Also I think she still tries to hug him beforehand, so the point is moot anyways? Like, she tries, sees it doesn't work, thinks maybe a different approach will work instead. I think that's a bit more valid than her trying to cling onto him like a goddamn magnet)

  • @AvariceAgent
    @AvariceAgent 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    Yes, Amy's incredibly strong, she even lifts a gigantic hammer in the idw comics with the help of Silver, but he says that she did most of the heavy lifting. She can push people in to walls, but not Knuckles. It makes no sense for this to happen, when he's as strong as he is, even with his gaurd down.

  • @kingnutbuster4978
    @kingnutbuster4978 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +60

    Oh no sonic mentioned something from his past😢
    I swear toxic sonic fans are so annoying

    • @BronzeAgePepper
      @BronzeAgePepper 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      stop enabling Ian Flynn's enabling Sonic fans' 'member berry addiction

    • @elinator8889
      @elinator8889 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      oh boy can’t wait for every interaction and conversation to become a nothing conversation referencing a past event instead of getting more insights on the characters

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@elinator8889 that's a snowball fallacy, and now you know 👍

  • @thedoglovinggamer5825
    @thedoglovinggamer5825 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +24

    0:23 Rouge's new suit design makes me wonder how she puts it on with her wings in the way.

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

      Also I wonder how would anyone find a Bareback Sexual, because they censored that part of her, yet Amy still has her bareback

    • @anaveragegamer359
      @anaveragegamer359 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Certain subreddits would make you think otherwise

    • @Unknown_User174
      @Unknown_User174 46 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Well remember her ninja suit in Sonic X which doesn’t have her bareback?
      Rouge probably must have some holes so her wings will fit and they’ll make her feel comfortable for her to fly,
      But you have to know she’s not a playable character like in the original.
      Remember she was covered up in Sonic Prime.

  • @GarryLarryBarry
    @GarryLarryBarry 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +27

    Tails went to Green Hill in the events of Sonic Mania, which would be in the past for that Tails.

    • @extremmefan7305
      @extremmefan7305 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      alternatively, there's the 8-bit version of Sonic 2. Or, iirc, Sonic Chaos also taking place on South Island. (And given Fang made a comeback in Superstars, Triple Trouble has to be canon, and thus Sonic Chaos too by extension)
      Either way, Tails has to know Green Hill at least before Forces, given that game acts like every single area of greenery "in the world" is Green Hill.

    • @KperaOfficial
      @KperaOfficial 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

      There's also a fan theory that sonic and co went to so many places before that they basically forget some zones, which would explain why they didn't remember the zones in generations since most of the entire series happens in like, less than a year (just a thing we saw in a podcast with Ian flynn but these podcast aren't considered canon so whatever)

    • @WohaoG
      @WohaoG 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@extremmefan7305 Everything is canon*
      *except for sonic chronicles according to the encyclo-speed-ia

    • @extremmefan7305
      @extremmefan7305 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@WohaoG That's just a fancy way of saying "we just pick and choose what we need to, or can, reuse from previous games for the new one". :P
      (aka it's more like "everything can be canon [except Archie and Chronicles because we don't want to deal with THAT guy again]")

  • @JoSephGD
    @JoSephGD 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +14

    It's just weird... especially when Generations is the reason that these locations became as frequently used as they are. The current "meta era" of Sonic was planted in Generations... but considering this was the first time many of these locations were being revisited, it would make sense for Sonic and Tails's memories of Green Hill and Chemical Plant to be foggy at best. Now, 13 years later, when these locations keep being reused, it makes sense for them to completely understand where they are. That's why it feels so weird for them to already know all this stuff and reference these things like they were yesterday.

    • @TheSwordsman100
      @TheSwordsman100 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      While Chemical Plant wasn't reused (Tails should still remember because first adventure and born on Westside) Green Hill and South Island was, it's just that they weren't actively reused in the main series outside SA2. Both the Game Gear games and GBA have you go back to both South Island and even Green Hill. (among other places like Angel Island) Though with Green Hill they did at least try some variations despite the manual saying it's the same place in the Game Gear games. (like Ivo turning the place into metal)

  • @SnaksiXD
    @SnaksiXD 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +25

    There are two reasons why i don't like the idea that things were changed in Generations:
    1. I *extremely* despise the idea of rewriting history like this, especially in a game that's about restoring history, and in one with a counterpart game that has a plotpoint of "Please don't change the past no matter how much you want to".
    2: The changes made are half-assed. Only like 3 cutscenes are actually changed, none of them to accommodate for the new dialogue. A good number of scenes require the voice actors to talk unnaturally quickly to avoid SA2ing themselves. I didn't want a cutscene that imply that Classic Sonic eats Angel Island.
    Either keep Sonic Generations the same as it was, or redo all the cutscenes. You can't do this awkward middleground and not expect fans to be set off by this. For the first time i agree with people who'd rather play with the japanese voices and i'm happy that's an option, i'll just stick to those this time until mods do something about the dialogue. Thank goodness this didn't bleed over to Shadow Generations somehow.

    • @Kutomi1
      @Kutomi1 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yeah I was honestly *hoping* they'd rewrite the story the moment I heard there's gonna be a Generations remaster, since I always thought that was the weakest part of the game. (I didn't think they would delist the original game on stores and make this the only available version however.) But the execution is so half-assed, they barely changed anything and I don't really feel like the changes they did make are an improvement. I mean I like some of the changes, while I don't like others. Overall, I'm still just indifferent towards the story, so it's like nothing changed.
      I also find it amusing that they decided to spend dev time and resources to raise the cloth on Rouge's back by like 2 inches.

    • @koolooc726
      @koolooc726 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      When did this game ever touch the subject of changing the past? They're not even time traveling themselves,it's just the stages being brought back

  • @kingades1013
    @kingades1013 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    Amy should’ve been kept the same because in frontiers it now shows how much she’s matured and is more chill. I don’t think she should always seem that way before frontiers

    • @SuperSeasonChannel2003
      @SuperSeasonChannel2003 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Amy may have regressed in Generations from Unleashed. In the end of that game, Amy's able to successfully ask Sonic out on a date, and then Black Knight happens, making Amy assume Sonic stood her up.

  • @3πςιλον
    @3πςιλον 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +23

    Amy's character growth in Frontiers was so good, but going back to Generations and erasing her obsessive past kinda undoes how impactful it was.
    Like, why bother trying to have genuine character growth if they're just going to retcon away the thing the character is supposed to be growing out of?

    • @Winder_Storm
      @Winder_Storm 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +15

      What character growth and in frontiers ? They pretend like none of her past happened 💀

    • @extremmefan7305
      @extremmefan7305 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      I personally think that's because og Gens already took it too far in the first place, itself essentially undoing her growth from Adventure 1.
      Meanwhile this attempts to still portray her as liking Sonic a lot, but just not *obsessively* so. This feels more like the same Amy who got so excited to see Sonic again she merely mistook Shadow/Silver for him in SA2/06, instead of the CD Amy who would tacklehug Sonic at *every* opportunity no matter how few the moments she last saw him ago were.

    • @ivoneo2806
      @ivoneo2806 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Winder_Stormwell people can move from their past

    • @Stickboy321Go
      @Stickboy321Go 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@extremmefan7305exactly, the changes are still there. In CD she was obsessive and she changed later on canonically. It just works like that and it wouldn’t make sense for it to go to obsessive to love but not obsessive but to obsessive again

  • @triledink
    @triledink 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +33

    Changing amy from what it was to what it is now to portray how she acts nowadays in the modern games is bad since generations came out like 13 years ago. Sega acts like its the first time generations got released. You can't just change the past like that.

    • @extremmefan7305
      @extremmefan7305 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

      When the past was so goddamn ridiculous about it? Yea, no, I'll take the change, thanks.
      Maybe a "legacy cutscenes" option would've been nice, but Amy in og Gens's cutscenes borders on insufferable imo, and that's saying something considering how few screentime most of the cast gets in this game.

    • @yay29823
      @yay29823 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

      People were unhappy about Knuckles being disrespected, but now that they changed that, people are complaining because you can't change bad things to be good, apparently??? If something is of such little significance such as Generation's story, nothing is lost by rewriting it

    • @Mr.Pacario
      @Mr.Pacario 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      I agree; a remaster is not supposed to retcon, it's supposed to allow a new generation to enjoy an old game that they missed the first time around. Now there are two competing versions of a game that will only stir controversy and confusion for years to come. If the integrity of these old games can't be respected, it's best to not revisit them at all.

    • @Mr.Pacario
      @Mr.Pacario 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@yay29823 Well, the point is that, if they are of such little significance, then just leave them alone. Remasters are not meant to change characters and storylines, they're just supposed to be passive updates to allow newbies to enjoy an old game.

    • @florntlaze810
      @florntlaze810 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​​​@yay29823 Nobody was complaining about Knuckles being disrespected, you wanna know why? It was because he never was in 2011. Nobody considered him dumb at the release of generations (2011) him being disrespected wasn't even a thing for fans to worry about at the time. The closest you could get out of the fandom was when Knuckles couldn't catch the card thrown at him in a Sonic 06 cutscene because of his glove hands. The fans started to say he was disrespected in 2014 with the announcement and release of Sonic Boom, which reduced him to nothing but a big dumb muscle headed brute.
      So this is future retconning for no legitimate reason and should have never been changed (the tree cutscene with Amy).
      My opinion on Amy is that she shouldn't get future character development for a game that canonically takes place in the past before SAID character development arc happened in the first place;
      otherwise it completely invalidates the point of the arc to happen in the first place for a game that released at a future point (Sonic Frontiers).

  • @Arexion5293
    @Arexion5293 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +25

    Since it was brought up, I'mma focus on it:
    Changing Rouge's design actually says a lot more about those looking at the design than the design itself. As it was before it was fine, while changing it means people are bothered by there being any level of revealed cleavage and back, meaning they're stating they get thoughts about it and are bothered by those thoughts instead of just not caring in the first place about some cartoon bat. Or they're bothered by other people getting thoughts about it and they don't want that either, which as well raises the question of why do you care about someone else's imagination? And if the idea is that this is somehow inappropriate for kids to see, it's just cleavage, women have those. Do you need to protect kids from seeing women? Do you need to prevent kids from ever going to swimming places? Either way the response to the design is what says a whole lot more about people than the design itself, because as the design was there was no issue. It's rarely about the design and more about the response to the design itself.
    And about the main topic of the new dialogue:
    While some of the references make sense, at times the dialogue ends up way more dry because of it. Tails commenting about the water in Chemical Plant is a reference to people struggling in the water sections of those levels. So maybe it could've been changed to make him comment about how could he ever forget that weird water of the Chemical Plant or something. That way both the reference and the joke remain intact.

    • @florntlaze810
      @florntlaze810 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Exactly, it also makes no sense to censor it because it was already a CHILDREN'S game. What does that say about the fans it was already considered child friendly in 2011, so what exactly changed between then and now. All they did was make Rouge's wings make no sense for her clothes and remove her cleavage that kids should be too young to even find sexual in the first place; have they ever visited a pool when they were younger, I sure did it was never considered weird. People complained about 4kids censorship within Sonic X (anime) for the same character. But for some reason, they all support similar censorship now. Did Sonic fans lose their backbone? Recency bias? What happened?
      Tl;Dr: Games used to rely on childhood innocents. Now, they try to account for adults finding sexual gratification for non sexual things, thus censoring the game Rouge's UPPER!!! back (not even her lower back, smh). For example: it was already certified as a kids game in 2011, and it wasn't rated T for Teen. So what exactly changed between then and now?

  • @phantomstrider
    @phantomstrider 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Personally I really like the dialog changes. Originally I ended up skipping some of the old generations dialog because it felt too cringe. But now I quite enjoy it 🙂The only dialog change I miss is Tails saying "that pink water makes me nervous for some reason" because of how many people drowned on that part of the stage originally 😄 It's a cute meta joke. But no big loss. The game is still too expensive for me so it was nice to get your take on the changes and learn whats causing all this division I'm hearing about 😄

  • @Cameron_Levine
    @Cameron_Levine 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    I honestly didn't care about most of the changes. The whole Amy thing does "kind of" bother me in the sense that she shouldn't be acting like this because she was still in her "yandere" phase that she didn't grow out of until sometime after this game. I think it should have stayed the same, though I actually like her more as how she is now. She isn't an obsessed fangirl anymore, she has her own personality. She really used to feel like just the girl of the group but now she feels like her own person and can hold her own in the cast.
    The Knuckles line was changed I think due to him not supposed to be a joke character anymore, so we instead of the writers we should blame the animation department. They should have changed and updated the animations to better fit the game.
    The Knuckles scene where he's hit by Amy was changed I think for the same reason. Knuckles isn't supposed to be a joke.
    My only real complaint with the game having the animations being choppy, and therefore the VA work sounds off due to them having to speed up their dialogue to match it. It is very noticeable in certain cutscenes.
    (also the Voice Direction Colleen got for Charmy was horrible. It does not sound good anymore. I kind of get it so its more distinct from Tails but it sounds so bad. Colleen is still fantastic as Tails, just not Charmy.)
    Overall the Sonic part of the game isn't what the whole game is about, it is mainly Shadow's game in all honesty because all my problems with the Sonic campaign disappear with Shadow's. Only complaint there would be I wanted it to be longer.

    • @Crump-I6x
      @Crump-I6x 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Knuckles getting hit into a tree once doesn't make him a joke, it makes a funny moment showing off Amy's true strength

    • @Cameron_Levine
      @Cameron_Levine 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Crump-I6x I agree, I thought it was funny. I’m just saying I can see why the writers may have seen it that way

    • @End_Productions
      @End_Productions 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Amy is not a "yandere," and the fact that people call her that makes me upset

    • @Cameron_Levine
      @Cameron_Levine 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@End_Productions I put it in quotes because she wasn’t a full yandere but she had yandere qualities. Like being overly obsessed with Sonic and being a stalker in a sense. I don’t think she was the typical yandere, i .e. being a killer, but she was very stalkerish.
      I could have probably worded it better to put my point across better, or I could have explained it like I did here.

    • @End_Productions
      @End_Productions 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @Cameron_Levine "being a stalker" dude they're friends. I don't think Sonic would've kept her around his birthday party if he thought she was some random stalker.
      Stalker also implies that she's always on his back when you gotta realize that at least before The Meta Era Sonic and his friends would go a good while without seeing each other. Why do you think they say "Long Time No See?" And since she actually loves him and hasn't seen him for a good while it makes sense that she would be excited to see him

  • @GoldLight73
    @GoldLight73 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +13

    I think some of the changes were fine, but others felt excessive. The story of Generations asa whole still feels a bit lacking though.

    • @kirotalksyt
      @kirotalksyt  21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      That’s fair

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Honestly, if they tried to change the story into something more substantial, I don't doubt folks would complain about "unnecessary changes to what's only supposed to be a silly thing", "not everything needs to be a deep narrative", and "not faithful to the original that I loved", even tho almost everyone complained about the lacking story back then.

    • @GoldLight73
      @GoldLight73 47 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Mike14264 See, people often like to complain that the Sonic fanbase is fickle and impossible to please, but the thing is: the Sonic fanbase isn't a hive mind. Everyone wants/expects something different from this series.
      Some people (like myself) love it when Sonic gets to be more complex. We love it the franchise gets to take itself at least somewhat seriously and the characters are allowed to have depth.
      On the opposite side, you have people who don't want Sonic to be complicated; the crowd that thinks this cartoon hedgehog taking on dark gods and reality-destroying threats is ridiculous. This is the crowd that prefers the franchise having minimal or no story like the older games.
      The fact is that the Sonic fandom has been split for decades, and trying to appease one side almost inevitably winds up pissing off the other. That's why people end up complaining no matter what Sega does; it's not hypocrisy, just different people having different tastes.

    • @Mike14264
      @Mike14264 14 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      @@GoldLight73 yeah, exactly, there's so many different people in the fandom, it's impossible to please everyone.
      Heck, they tried that with Forces, and we know how well that went.

  • @inktea256
    @inktea256 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    I get why they want Rouge to be less overtly sensual, but it’s as if Sega is convinced that’s all there is to her personality. As a kid, her outfit never bothered me. Yeah, I thought she was pretty and understood how her making boys feel “in love” could help her get what she wants, but this definitely feels like a case of unnecessary censorship out of fear of the kinds of people they aren’t marketing to.
    Kids aren’t going to be doing weird things to a picture of Rouge just because her top allows her wings to properly stretch. Then again, in today’s messed up world, maybe they will. And that’s the saddest part of it. We can’t have attractive women in wholesome children’s media because their minds have long been exposed to things they shouldn’t.

  • @SugarRush420
    @SugarRush420 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

    Amy wasn't really "retconned" or "censored" here, i feel like they simply changed it because they wanted her to be nicer to sonic on his b-day instead of harassing him, but it is undeniable that her character has infact changed over time but that's supposed to happen, frontiers has showed us these are not the same main cast we've known for years, they've changed/matured and because they've matured clearly there going to let go of their childish habits and in this case its Amy's obsessive love for sonic, her character as of right now is fine the way it is, she is still as loving and caring as she's always been she's just less sonic crazy and i personally think thats a great change to her character because it shows shes matured, but obviously that's just my opinion.

  • @Sprinklespark08
    @Sprinklespark08 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +22

    I didn't notice any changes because I never played the original Generations.

    • @ShiroganeABA
      @ShiroganeABA 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Ruined childhood

    • @FireBladesGameing
      @FireBladesGameing 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Sucks to be you then.

    • @throwaway7679
      @throwaway7679 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      Hope you enjoy it!

    • @LolipooChimichanga
      @LolipooChimichanga 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Okay? Makes sense lmao

    • @TheSwordsman100
      @TheSwordsman100 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      Honestly you aren't missing anything, while it was the best of the Meta Era that was a low bar and the remake is a vast improvement over it's terrible writing.

  • @Octav2000
    @Octav2000 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    I find the new dialogue to make way more sense considering gens is a celebration of the series

  • @MafaroChinyerere
    @MafaroChinyerere 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    They removed "you and what mustache" joke

  • @sebastienholmes548
    @sebastienholmes548 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

    For people saying we're blowing the censorship out of proportion. Think of boiling the frog, letting any kind of censorship slide mean publishers will increase the censorship.

    • @heyyoumewtwo4801
      @heyyoumewtwo4801 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      You don't know what censorship is. You're a manchild if you think changing Amy's bio or giving Rouge two more inches of fabric is censorship. Also it's definitely not "censorship" since you can still legally purchase the original game on Steam with the original content intact, with no legal or governmental bodies halting users from buying it.

  • @warioplush
    @warioplush 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    As good as this version of Gens is the thing I’m most disappointed about is something they didn’t change
    I’m kind of sad that they didn’t add new levels to base Generations; while they DID add new stages in Shadow Generations so it’s not that big of a deal the only games after SG that were represented as levels were Forces and Frontiers, with Lost World, Mania, and Superstars not being there at all. Would’ve helped the game since Planet Wisp is still the last and still by far the least

  • @glowdonk
    @glowdonk 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    I kinda wish they atleast changed up the cutscenes so the dialogue didn't feel like they were rushed to make it fit the cutscene

  • @XX-sp3tt
    @XX-sp3tt 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    It's like 4Kids has been reborn before our eyes.

    • @TeeArCreep
      @TeeArCreep 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      tragedy, the bat's boobs are less visible.
      you've got an internet connection, you don't need a game to see those mate.

  • @vianabdullah2837
    @vianabdullah2837 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think people are upset that the dialogue had to be changed to begin with. It's like the Star Wars special edition changes and the "Han shot first" debacle. Feels like it's erasing the past to fit with the current state of the franchise, irrespective on whether individual changes are good or bad.

    • @brdgamemaster
      @brdgamemaster 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I am really glad someone else thought of this too. Atleast the level of gaslighting in characterization isn't as bad as seen in Toy Story 4

  • @Harper_Onions
    @Harper_Onions 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    Can we talk about how off the voice acting in the "remaster" sounds? I'm not even arguing for bringing back the actors who were recast since Gens. Even the returning actors sound like they've just been crowded into a booth and told to just do it one take. Even redubbed lines from the same actors now somehow sound wrong. Colleen O'Shaughnessey is now voicing three roles (even if two of them ARE different versions of Tails), and she seems to have forgotten her voice for Charmy.

    • @rossjones8656
      @rossjones8656 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I think it's more they have gotten older with there voices in tow and now they need to bring back the same energy they did back then. I know there are a few voice actors that can but I don't think a lot of the cast here can and for the new voices... it's probably still 'new voice is problem' thinking where we are just not use to them.

    • @cmguiyyt816
      @cmguiyyt816 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rossjones8656 All the new voice actors are great, don't know what you're on about there

    • @cmguiyyt816
      @cmguiyyt816 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Some lines were definitely off, like in the entire intro it sounded like Colleen had something in her throat when voicing Tails there.

    • @rossjones8656
      @rossjones8656 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @cmguiyyt816 they are good voice actors but times have changed. Roger sounds like he's trying to impersonat his younger self and failing to do so that's what I'm getting at with the returning voices while the new one just simply either hasn't found there mojo or we are just not use to them.

    • @cmguiyyt816
      @cmguiyyt816 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @rossjones8656 Yeah no, Roger can do his old Sonic voice to a T and ain't failing at all. As for the new guys, it is 100% you not being used to them. And you alone as many others have said they either like or are fine with them.

  • @EmperorCorvinus
    @EmperorCorvinus 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    who cares? Not like the writing was groundbreaking before. Looks like Flynn did the script a favor

  • @fishnim1927
    @fishnim1927 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    I want everyone to remember this going forward with the hedgehog Engine two era
    You can't have a controversy
    Without being able to converse
    Not every controversy when it comes to sonic is a bad controversy, It might just be a conversation.

    • @fishnim1927
      @fishnim1927 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      P.S.
      lowkey want to get pinned LOL
      also I'm not saying your (creator) usage of the word is bad or was wrong I just wanted to point that out to everyone because we sonic fans tend to argue about controversies rather than converse

  • @tristysstuff6664
    @tristysstuff6664 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    This fanbase will complain about anything bro lmao finally we get an actually great game and we got people hyperfixating on things that would make even the most nitpicky people blush. Cuz let's be real, 90% if not all of these ARE nitpicks no ifs ands or buts about it. It's so funny because one of the things critiqued about generations was its minimal story but now when there's DIALOGUE CHANGES to said minimal story parts of the fanbase throw a fuss. What an absolute circus show tbh

  • @ganges2264
    @ganges2264 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

    they practically censored all the jokes in the original. even the line where classic tails asks where sonic keeps his rings was changed to be about hoping the timeline would be fixed. amy smacking knuckles into the tree , sonic shoving amy with his hand and knuckles making classic sonic feel insecure about his weight were all funny and fit the light-hearted tone of the original. but post frontiers everything's gotta be all edgy and gloomy.
    generations was never meant to be taken seriously and the way amy acted here was inline with her characterization at the time , ever since CD all the way to unleashed. so why rewrite history in a game that's meant to celebrate it ? the small changes make the game lose it's charm and replaced it with very lame dialogue and cutscenes. being faithful to the original is a rule a remaster should NEVER break.

    • @supergamerboy1177
      @supergamerboy1177 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Wow you an idiot first off they made knuckles and Amy into a joke Second of all Generation story Is about all of time being destroyed Which is literally serious And make it into a joke is really idiotic like really You complain about frontier story being too dark Is the same people complain about dark Stories in sonic games like dude Touch grass also Remasters when they change something Either in dialogue Or design A subjective And being faithful Is never a good thing If the writing is bad like generations Original dialogue like really piss off With your idiotic take

  • @totempoleman7810
    @totempoleman7810 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    Has kiro heard that Sonic X Shadow Generations web manual bio for Classic Sonic states that he comes from "Different Dimension"? Oh boy the ride never ends.

    • @anotherprofessional
      @anotherprofessional 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH CLASSIC SONIC DIFFERENT DIMENSION THING FOR GOOD!!! I WANNA GET OFF OF THIS RIDE! /j (But that’s really funny)

  • @funkermonker6485
    @funkermonker6485 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    I understand why people don't like this dialouge formula as yes it can feel like sometimes the devs are going "look look these characters aren't dummies we're back to treating them with respect"
    But the thing is i'm just glad Sonic Team remebers what continuity is after a decade of babying these guys to bits

    • @cmguiyyt816
      @cmguiyyt816 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      They were never "babied" lmao

  • @robynwolph3836
    @robynwolph3836 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    I love Amy Rose. Why the unnecessary hate for her. She now has character development which she SEVERELY lacked. She's no longer lusting after Sonic. She still likes him but she respects him now. Why the controversy over that?

    • @Signerdragon123
      @Signerdragon123 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Exactly. Ian already set that straight in the very second IDW issue and has come out on record saying whether the SonAmy stuff happens or not is up to SEGA alone.

    • @Pyrodiac
      @Pyrodiac 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      My problem (and hopefully but probably not other people's problem) is that it doesn't feel like character development, it just feels like retconning considering that they removed that aspect of her in Generations and for all we know, could remove it in future rereleases.
      Now don't get me wrong, I prefer newer Amy, but I'd prefer character development instead of a sudden change. Still not the end of the world really lmao I'm fine with this.

    • @keithflippers4429
      @keithflippers4429 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Because it's not character development, imagine if Nintendo remade Mario Sunshine and made Bowser not want to marry Peach

    • @Signerdragon123
      @Signerdragon123 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @Pyrodiac Yeah, I can understand wanting to tone down some of the cringier stuff, but I do agree replacing it with IDW era Amy in a game that much earlier is questionable.

  • @icy3583
    @icy3583 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Knuckles' line being unchanged implies something... interesting, and really a sign that something more should've been changed for that new dialogue to work properly

  • @marce4092
    @marce4092 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    all this "controversy" would be fixed if shadow gens was a separate game you could buy 💀

    • @GiroEXE
      @GiroEXE 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      No I feel like that would cause more controversy

    • @marce4092
      @marce4092 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@GiroEXE yeah... maybe there would be no other way around it lol

  • @oscarangel2989
    @oscarangel2989 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    I see that Sega still doesn't know how to explain Classic and Modern co-existence. They re-retconned that they are the same character on different time periods. I remember that Tails on Forces said that "other universe Sonic" or something like that.

    • @extremmefan7305
      @extremmefan7305 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      I'd chalk that up to your typical Forces fluke, personally. (There's a lot of those)

    • @michaeltaylor788
      @michaeltaylor788 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The recon of them being from different worlds was the result of a mistranslation of the word world because in Japanese the word world can also refer to the past and present and even future so the people who speak a different language messed up when they wrote the story the creator of sonic ( who is Japanese ) just fixed this mistake .

  • @McGillicuddy849
    @McGillicuddy849 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    9:20 these two are my favorite PLATONIC FRIENDSHIP ever. i really like them as BEST FRIENDS. i hope we get to see more of them doing things that FRIENDS would do.

  • @setsers1
    @setsers1 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    At first I didn't like the changes, now I'm more mellow to it.
    But holy crap, this spread like wildfire.

  • @DearMink_X
    @DearMink_X 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +20

    The worst reference is the time stones because you don't even use the time stones to travel in CD, you use the sign posts.

    • @LeeMagik
      @LeeMagik 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

      But the time stones also let you jump through time, thats why they were referenced

    • @Drydoctor-qo5wt
      @Drydoctor-qo5wt 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

      No, you do, the sign posts were just a game mechanic. The time stones are what allowed it

    • @hypVideo
      @hypVideo 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      T_T

    • @luan5226
      @luan5226 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      In canon lore they allow time travel

    • @mysticmonogatari
      @mysticmonogatari 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      this reference already felt off and out of place but I find this reference even weirder because logically you'd think he'd reference needing the chaos emeralds to time travel. I guess sega doesn't want to acknowledge the emeralds can also time travel...

  • @mushroomfusion245
    @mushroomfusion245 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Sonic fans will really look you dead in the eye and try to convince you that “Long time no see” was the most essential piece of the worldbuilding and characters not saying it in games ruins everything.

    • @felixdaniels37
      @felixdaniels37 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I'd certainly prefer that corny running line over the abysmal references that drag the dialogue to a screeching halt.

  • @DrCoeloCephalo
    @DrCoeloCephalo 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Sonic is all about freedom.
    Shadow is all about embracing who you are and your roots even if the world hates you, not denying it and pretending the past never happened.
    Censorship is the antithesis to BOTH those things.
    So anyone trying to defend censorship is a faker of a Sonic fan, as far as I am concerned.

  • @vi6ddarkking
    @vi6ddarkking 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +11

    For those saying the Censorship didn't matter.
    (And remember. the slippery slope isn't a falacy. It's a rule.)
    All I have to ask is: Which way Sonic fan?
    The Sonic X Sub or the 4Kids Dub?

    • @PolarityOfNeoSoulCity
      @PolarityOfNeoSoulCity 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      The Sonic X Sub every day, but not for the sake of seeing Rouge uncensored (I was interested in seeing what was cut, and seeing the cut content made me feel that much more invested, like the Molly event, the uncut fight with Yellow Zelkova, Shadow needing to remove his limiters to fight Knuckles, etc.).
      I'm not that pressed about her being more covered up (especially after Sonic Prime's outfit, this feels a little less egregious), but I do understand where you're coming from about it and hope that the design's aren't altered any further

    • @vi6ddarkking
      @vi6ddarkking 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@PolarityOfNeoSoulCity Give an inch they'll take a mile.
      Also her uncensored mods are already out.

    • @PolarityOfNeoSoulCity
      @PolarityOfNeoSoulCity 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@vi6ddarkking Oh yeah, I saw them all alongside the somehow almost as divisive skating boost mods

    • @Pyrodiac
      @Pyrodiac 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ...Oh I don't watch TV Shows.

    • @brandonwilliams6119
      @brandonwilliams6119 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Remember when people made fun of the Rouge Censorship in Sonic X? Now some are actually defending it in SXSG and I find it hilarious lol

  • @bigcammy007
    @bigcammy007 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    To be honest, I really don't think the changes are bad. I just find them to be interesting like how Tails knows of South Island despite the fact he wasn't in the first Sonic game or Sonic referencing the Time Stones from Sonic CD. I honestly like the changes.

  • @xulnad
    @xulnad 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    In Sonic Generations they seemed to of removed Right There Ride On from Sonic Rush from the collectable music list And replaced it with Westopolis

  • @greg4587
    @greg4587 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    I think the divisiveness is just the awkward half-way of "rewriting", just a redub of barebones cutscenes that had not-much-sense dialogue to make it more "sonic-y."
    Like Sonic opened with a question regarding "familiarity" with "that place", so now he asks about "Green Hill looking different" like a sitcom gag to fill the weird question with sonic thing.
    Sonic asked "how did this happen?" even though the answer is proooooobably the giant flying portal monster, so now he asks "WITHOUT THE TIME STONES??" to fill the redundant question with sonic thing.
    Tails asks "you said that eggman was kidnapped..." to the completely mute character, classic tails responds "see, he was kidnapped!"...after eggman gets kidnapped (laugh track)... so it was changed to a truce (epic sa2/heroes reference) and noting the obviously different eggman.
    Amy happily offers payback, but Sonic cringes at it for some reason because that's what he did originally to Amy's one-note personality line.
    Sonic's sudden "Alright!" cheer after being cocky to Knuckles because he originally did a thumbs up to the one-note personality line.
    Shadow Gens was also written by Ian and flows really well, here it was paper inserts for talky nonsense so I don't fault him. I wish there were animation changes to better-suit new lines as it's really hard to "fix" dialogue without adjusting the context and delivery.

    • @Crump-I6x
      @Crump-I6x 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Classic Tails noting that Eggman was kidnapped was indicating that he was the one who told Modern Tails he'd been and Classic Sonic isn't unable to talk he just doesn't in the cutscenes.

  • @Avriel_Mimiga
    @Avriel_Mimiga 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    my biggest issue is that the 3ds specific levels weren't included, at least we got pinball for free

    • @sonicmaiden2871
      @sonicmaiden2871 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Glad I can finally experience the pinball DLC ngl.

    • @anaveragegamer359
      @anaveragegamer359 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Pc had it free forever

    • @sonicmaiden2871
      @sonicmaiden2871 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@anaveragegamer359 oh! So it was included with the game for free since launch in the Pc version?

  • @Robospy1
    @Robospy1 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Personally, I don't mind that much but I don't like them changing things that already happened. It's not so serious, but it's kind of like rewriting history.

  • @RezeedTheDataspirit
    @RezeedTheDataspirit 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Honestly, I miss Tails commented on the gold rings and Shadow's "You got this Sonic!", but it really isn't the end of the world and I understand why they made the change.

  • @GraysonicYT
    @GraysonicYT 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The change of Amy not hitting knuckles all the way into the tree kinda comes off sexist like saying she can’t be strong when she is supposed to be

  • @benjamingesinski9170
    @benjamingesinski9170 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    This might sound nit picky, but I liked how the original Generations didn't show Classic Eggman until the end of the game. That way it keeps the surprise that the 2 Eggmen are working together by making you think there was only one Eggman.

  • @MochaSlushes
    @MochaSlushes 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +36

    Holy fricking crap Sonic fans are *NEVER* happy. Literally nothing on the planet will satisfy them, they’ll complain about EVERYTHING

    • @johnnycakemusic4069
      @johnnycakemusic4069 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

      Yeah, and you'll just accept anything

    • @FireBladesGameing
      @FireBladesGameing 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

      I'm a sonic fan and i'm actually happy with how sonic x shadow generations turned out. I also love most of the sonic games except sonic 06... we dont talk about that.

    • @MochaSlushes
      @MochaSlushes 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@johnnycakemusic4069 At least acknowledge that a lot of love and care is put into these new Sonic games and yet it’s ruined in an instant by the entire fandom nitpicking little things. They’ve accommodated so much for the fans

    • @Shendapy
      @Shendapy 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      womp womp look at this guy complaining about the people complaining. Surely he’ll bring a unique take and dialogue to the conversation with actual merit

    • @MochaSlushes
      @MochaSlushes 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Shendapy lmao im not even a Sonic fan *or* a guy. I just wish people were grateful for once. They had to redo an entire movie because of these guys

  • @Chris_dose_stuff
    @Chris_dose_stuff 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think it’s fine I personally like how Sonic doesn’t shove his hand into Amy’s face

  • @Winder_Storm
    @Winder_Storm 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I’m actually happy they let sonic talk now when he saves his freinds that shit was so awkward but funny in the old game , he just didn’t had any reaction just 😁👍

  • @richardsphd
    @richardsphd 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Man, I genuinely think the new Amy cutscene is funnier, Sonic holding her back was fine enough slapstick, but her just offering cupcakes to no-one with such enthusiasm in her eyes is so much funnier. That said, knockint Knuckles into a tree was clearly funnier than whatever she's doing in the new version, although I've also heard people who genuinely despise the old version

  • @SorcererLance
    @SorcererLance 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I noticed the changes, I just didn't mind or care too much with them... I only cared if the gameplay was still fun and the framerate was better... which it is on both accounts, they even also added the Drop Dash to both Sonics

  • @McGillicuddy849
    @McGillicuddy849 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    the only thing i dont like is the reference to the time stones, doesnt feel natural. the time stones also werent what let sonic travel through time

  • @wootmasterzorsx
    @wootmasterzorsx 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m in a camp that likes some of the changes, and doesn’t mind others but does feel they didn’t need to be changed.
    I definitely agree I find the references charming, since it does make the world feel more cohesive and like these adventures still, you know, actually happened. Rather than being some one off thing nobody ever talks about.
    And I do prefer Amy’s new writing, since the crush is still there, but now she feels like she’s had character development and her crush is less obsessive. Like, those cupcakes she holds for him are pink and blue- and if you need to know why that’s relevant… look at Amy and Sonic’s fur. Or how her changed dialogue with Classic Sonic has her say she’s always found Sonic cute. She doesn’t need a bright neon sign advertising she’s in love with him, though I should be clear, they could probably strike a better balance for people who like that side of Amy.

  • @MortonCammar
    @MortonCammar 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The story was already widely accepted as dumb so I don’t really care. Also references work well with generations, since it’s a callback game. Like every fandom sonic fans love to complain, people were complaining for ages the games rarely have continuity. Now we sort of have it, surely that should make people happy. You can’t exactly have continuity without characters mentioning previous events that took place. It’s obviously going to leave a lasting impact certainly worth mentioning when a similar situation arises.

  • @Winder_Storm
    @Winder_Storm 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    It’s funny seeing all the different sides to the changes people say , a ton saying good , cuase she’s not being an obsessive stalker, which people say unironically, like bro she’s one of Sonics friends , and she’s just being lovey dovey , with him it’s not anything serious , but I also don’t agree with people saying they shouldn’t have changed it , idk how a lot of Amy fans like how she was written in gens , this doesn’t feel like Amy that’s Amanda Flowers, she’s an over the top exaggeration of what people think Amy is , other games had their comedic relationship of sonic and Amy but Amy has no backbone here she just lets sonic hold her back lmao , and then she says that “flirting” line , like bro who wrote this 😭 , I really like the new dialogue it feels closer to Amy’s character, and her calling classic sonic cute is so funny

    • @End_Productions
      @End_Productions 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah. I'm pretty sure that people who didn't like the changes were still sour about all the previous things they did to Amy and just sorta added it to the pile

  • @The_Last_Pac
    @The_Last_Pac 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Think of it like this. Sonic literally never used the time stones to go through time, he used sign posts, so he knows there are other ways to time travel. And he technically remembers 06, so he'd know the chaos emerlds would work.
    Also. The pontaff dialouge felt familiar, tails remembered chemical plant, he just couldn't put his finger on it, because him and sonic were always going to another place that he'd have a hard time recalling some places. It's also strange that chemical plant is like, an iconic place in their minds and is named chemical plant. It'd be better if they kept that dialogue, and have tails instead say "This place seems familiar, I think I remember a place like this back home." Which would be a much better reference and feel more natural then "CHEMICAL PLANT, WEST SIDE ISLAND! I'M SAYING THE THINGS SONIC!"
    The amy stuff also is redundant and honestly I want the mosth amy should be the amy going foward. So I'm gonna blame ian Flynn specifically for this change in amy, as I am quite confident sega would have made Mosth more inline with flynns amy if sega was mandating her personality like that. This is definitely more an Ian Flynn move over a sega upper echelon move.

    • @The_Last_Pac
      @The_Last_Pac 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Granted the changes are pretty harmless and at worst redundant or removing some genuinely funny lines. I'd have preferred they didn't do it but eh, what can ya do

  • @Chiptendo
    @Chiptendo 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    You know, sometimes I forget I simp for an antromorphic bat, until someone calls attention to it.

  • @Waltman13
    @Waltman13 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm mixed on the cutscene changes. There's some that I actually like, and then there's some that make me question what the point was in even changing it.

  • @heroicgangster9981
    @heroicgangster9981 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    the changes are controversial, but I really would rather not go back to OG Generations mostly.

  • @TheSwordsman100
    @TheSwordsman100 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Actually Sonic and Tails has spent a large amount of time on South Island and thus Green Hill, because of the Game Gear games, GBA games, Mania and actively living on there. (as Central City is located on South Island and the map from Battle implies it's close to Green Hill) As for how they can live on a island that is constantly moving, A: that didn't stop Knuckles with Angel Island, B: it's moving around was implied to be due to the emeralds so it probably doesn't do that anymore and C: even in Sonic 1 it had Starlight City.
    Amy's crush dialogue is moved to Classic for some reason, only reason I can think of for why is her actually being one of the few to recognize Classic is a younger version of Sonic clashes with her mistaking Shadow and Silver for Sonic.

  • @_rando_d
    @_rando_d 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    My main issue with Amy is that it's not like they stopped making Amy loving Sonic her biggest personality trait. They straight up removed it. It wouldve been better if it was just simmered down rather than completely removed. The only thing remotely remembering her old self is NPC dialogue after you save her, but those werent changed in the remaster so it doesnt count. Amy loving Sonic was an important part of her and can be fun if its not overdone. Also, these are cartoon/anime hedgehogs, Amy slapping knuckles into a tree is just a quick gag that shouldnt have been taken so seriously. If anything it makes Amy loom WEAKER.

    • @End_Productions
      @End_Productions 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      Like yeah that's the thing. We don't want Generations Amy back we want Adventure Amy back

  • @MittensDoesThings1991
    @MittensDoesThings1991 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    5:20 Even though it's never implied or confirmed, I have a small headcanon. When Classic Sonic rubs his stomach after Knuckles asks where Angel Island is, I start to assume that Classic Sonic remembers where Knuckles punched him back in Sonic 3.

  • @mrbubbles6468
    @mrbubbles6468 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I hate the fact that as a result of changing the script the voices are also changed. It does not sound right.

  • @Imgenuinlyhorriefied
    @Imgenuinlyhorriefied 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Snall thing but if u free amy as classic sonic, amy says that she always found Sonic Cute, but now he has gotten cuter. Just wanted to say that

  • @Vintagesonic1
    @Vintagesonic1 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    I think Amy being so obsessive over Sonic is actually a core part of her character. Sure she's weird, but that's the whole point. I think toning things down just serves to strip Amy from her core personality traits.

    • @felixdaniels37
      @felixdaniels37 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Precisely. To her, Sonic is just as much a figure to look up to and a goal to strive towards, as much as an object of affection. Her crush on Sonic pushes her FAR beyond her natural limits, and allows her inherently heroic spirit to shine through when it matters most.
      The video goes on about liking Amy when she wasn't a Sonic simp, but you genuinely can't have one over the other.

  • @Mr.Pacario
    @Mr.Pacario 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Amy was always of the old anime trope of being that over hyperactive, temperamental girl who overdoes her responses when antagonized, scandalized, or annoyed. Happens with Bulma in DBZ, the Love Hina characters, even some in Tenchi Muyo. It's who Amy is...not sure why a change is even necessary.

  • @Artista_Frustrado
    @Artista_Frustrado 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    the funniest part of the References complaining is that a lot of those people also complained that the Sonic Movies were their own thing instead of just throwing all the Fanservice like the Mario movie

  • @DivineGrace323
    @DivineGrace323 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I never cared about Amy rose, she was okay to me back then
    Until frontier came that's when she pick my interest

  • @IsaixLD7
    @IsaixLD7 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    To me it made sense that Sonic and Tails barely remembered Green Hill amd Chemical Plant. I always had the sense that they blazed through those zones and never returned.
    Why should Tails remember a ramdom plant he spent less than 10 minutes in? He's been through so many industrial settings over the years, it makes sense that he'd forget and it's also relatable for the player as we hadn't seen Chemical Plant in years

  • @timotheravetier9442
    @timotheravetier9442 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The new controls don’t work, they work well with an open world but it sucks for boost levels seriously.

  • @mrgoldenfreddy8241
    @mrgoldenfreddy8241 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    This is definitely the chemical plant

  • @AngieMarioFreak2001
    @AngieMarioFreak2001 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    My only real issue with the rewrite is how "half-assed" the implementation feels
    Like either redub the lines as they were or rework the cutscene animation more to better fit the new dialogue
    That being said if they're going to rewrite stuff for future remasters, I'm glad they started with the game where the story was the most inconsequential so they can learn from their mistakes here

  • @A_Sprite96
    @A_Sprite96 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Knuckles flying into the tree was like my favorite joke in the game as a kid 😭

  • @luminary97
    @luminary97 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Eh, I kinda like the changes. Probably the only exception being when the lines are being delivered too quickly to fit into previous talking animations and probably the knuckles/classic sonic conversation

  • @marjosonic
    @marjosonic 21 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    The rewrites were generally fine in my book, but it sucks that they put little to any effort to updating the cutscenes to reflect those changes (namely anything involving Amy and the implication that Classic Sonic ate Angel Island). Had proper changes been made, they wouldn't have stood out as much (aside from us deep Sonic fans, but there's no helping that anymore xD).
    One aspect I think the rewrites did that I think was for the better was the Eggmen speech before the final fight. While Eggman having a bit of selfishness against himself was a bit funny, making it so that they were more comrades made more sense during the initial standoff, while keeping their bickering once stuck in White Space (since that's still very in character) intact.

  • @butchebk01
    @butchebk01 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    The main issue i have with the change to amy in generations is that it come at the expense of sonics character. For example the opening scene where amy is trying to hug sonic and sonic is holding her at arms length while he is talking being changed to a scene that looks like she is trying to get his attention to give him some cupcakes and he is ignoring her. Later on there is a scene where amy talks about being able to flirt with sonic after being rescued and sonic replies this isnt really the time for that in an exasperated voice. the new scene has amy talking about looking forward to being able to help sonic but does not change sonics response. this changes the tone of both scenes from sonic being exasperated to him being a jerk.