The Controversial Changes in Sonic X Shadow Generations
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So basically in this wonderful rewrite it seems like classic sonic ate knuckles' island because he awkwardly touches his belly after knuckles asks about the island...
Sometimes you just so hungry you accidentally eat a whole island. We've all been there.
Classic Sonic is like: I thought it was cake!
no he ate the grapes
Suspiciously Angel Island shaped Sonic
That's what it looks like yeah lol
2:27 I would like to add that Sonic does canonically recognize Green Hill. We all know the infamous line in Sonic Forces "Green Hill is looking a lot more like Sand Hill right now"
What does that prove, just cause he remembers it later doesn't mean he remembers it at the time of Gens.
There's also Sonic Prime, which shows Sonic sees Green Hill as a really important place. It's not his home but it's a place he likes to visit a lot.
As much as I dislike Prime being canon, it should at least be considered.
I doubt Sonic randomly started to appreciate and hang out in Green Hill after Generations. It was probably an ongoing thing.
Look at it from the perspective of when the game came out, Green Hill only appeared in spin-offs like racing games, the only main games that featured it we're Sonic 1, Adventure 2, and Generations
@DaNintendude Prime isn't canon nor should it be as Sonic has a different characterization there and Sonic hanging out in Green Hill after Gens isn't random and could've totally happened. He probably did find it really nice and started hanging out there more after Gens, it isn't anymore random then him deciding to hang out in any other zone.
@Crump-I6x Prime _is_ canon.
I wouldn't like it to be, and I agree about characterization, but it's been stated to be canon.
With that being said, there actually _is_ evidence that Sonic is more familiar with Green Hill than we'd believe.
Note how at the beginning of Sonic Generations, Classic Sonic is running through Green Hill Zone. It's possible that he was ripped straight from the events of Sonic 1, but based on Sonic's familiarity with Robotnik and Classic Tails, that moment would've at least been after Sonic 2.
This means that Sonic has indeed returned to Green Hill outside of Sonic 1.
5:20 he ate Angel Island 💀
he eated it
Inhale the whole thing
Light snack for Sonic.
Shin sonic
Only the dialogue was changed, not be animation at the original dialogue was knuckles saying
"have you gotten fatter?"
About Amy:
The cutscenes were changed, but her dialogues in the white space still include her flirting
no it is changed
@@Super70000
Have you tried talking to her right after the cutscene? None of the dialogues of the characters outside of the cutscenes has been changed.
@@willbrgamer5137 oh i thought you meant the cutscene after you rescue her my bad
Yet anti woke Grifters complain about Amy not loving Sonic.
Is that line about her saying her “teamwork leads to marriage, wait sonic come back” still there I just recently found out about it , man they did Amy so dirty in og gens , I’m happy they changed it but it shouldn’t have been a problem in the first place
This game's remake is like gaslighting yourself that you were a better person in the past than you actually were
This is so freaking accurate to all the 2010s games...
Only year I miss from the 2010s is 2010 itself, it really felt like we were slowly entering a new era with the rise of Smartphones and Social Media, some video games would play it safe by doing nostalgia pandering and I think it’s from the success of Megaman 9.
@@brandonwilliams6119 I formed my first thoughts in 2010 (I was 4). More seriously my favorite year in the 2010's is 2015, we got Undertale this year, FNAF the year before and dragon ball super anime was at its peak.
Yes because showing rouge back and having Amy hug sonic, is bad
@@Christian-gr3guIt's still unnecessary censorship
Swear the Sonic Fanbase are so freakin divisive 🤣
Yeah seems like that will always be the case 😅
Any little change and they split up like the Earth in Unleashed.
it's usually a vocal minority tbh. like, in any fanbase. if you hear about people online complaining about something, it's probably not nearly as many people as you think, the ones complaining are just really noisy about it
and literally for what reason, we got a good ass sonic game, cry about it i guess 😂
just like every other gaming franchise of course its divisive people have their own opinions
The main issue i have with the rouge change is practicality. Her new outfit makes no sense. how is she supposed to put it on when her wings would get in the way. thats what i always thought was the reason she wore open back clothing to accommodate her wings
I felt similar at first, but then I remembered that these games had never been practical. Rouge wears a full jumpsuit in Sonic Heroes, and her back is covered. Tails shouldn't be able to fly with his tails like helicopter propellers because they would just get twisted at the base.
@@Burgerbro7117 Mental gymnastics to justify 4Kidz-level Censorship. Ew.
@@Burgerbro7117 admittedly the tails thing did bother me after i realised that as well but outside of things like that that dont have a workaround they really should try and keep things that can be made to make sense do so.
I think if a fictional hedgehog can wear shoes, a fictional bat can wear a suit with tiny openings for her wings
@@TORXINYUEXAVIERSTUDENT There was nothing wrong with it before. Why is it so hard to understand?
There are few reasons why the dialogue feels like a downgrade at least to me:
- They didn't change much of the animations or lipsyncing for the times they spoke in the OG game
- The changed lines are either too wordy, or too less of dialogue to fit in (example: ending cutscene when modern and classic sonic and the ending cutscene).This causes their body language to be conlicted with their actual words.
- The voice direction overall just feels lifeless and fake. Not alot of energy to their lines.
I'd say the ONLY real improvement in terms of dialogue was letting modern sonic speak after he's saved each of his friends.
For refrences...
While cool at first, feel too forced at times. I think the original did better in just ALLUDING to it, rather than just putting it infront of your face.
Like for example: In OG Gens, Tails says after completing Modern Chemical Plant, that the pink water makes him nervous.
If you have played sonic 2 you would understand why since tails always gets left behind, and it's worse for him when you get to the infamous water climb section.
The rewrite was worse, since it feels more cheap imo.
Also the connection between the two stories feels VERY half-baked, which I'm sorry...
Shouldn't THAT be the focus when it came to rewriting the story???
Instead in comparison, they focused more on trivial things like how Amy Rose's character is shown, or silver having a chillidog at the ending cutscene (which is obviosuly not finished like everything else with the cutscenes)
They did all of these little changes, and didn't do anything for one of the most boring final bosses in sonic history???
Especially when you have the final boss of Shadow Gens in the SAME PACKAGE???
It just shows that so much more time went into the Shadow portion than having BOTH games be worked on at equal value.
@@LolipooChimichangaCouldn't agree with you more
@@LolipooChimichanga and that's what makes me so upset about the two stories is that they don't connect outside of the Sonic and Shadow interaction
I completely disagree with your third point. Listening to both the original and new voice lines, I think the voice direction is pretty much the exact same as in the original
My problem with Amy is that they completely retconed her. If frontiers had an Amy character arc where she realized that crushing over sonic all the time is not ok I would be completely fine with this, but she just suddenly magically doesn't love sonic constantly.
She wasn't retconned overtime as she got older she just realized how immature she was to harass sonic constantly
@SugarRush420 can you tell me in what game this arc happened?
@@Gerbert67 I never said there was an arc for that nor do I think it was even needed, in frontiers we can clearly see that the main cast have really grown/matured and even had time to self reflect on themselves after the events in forces, and because they've matured i think its pretty clear that amy just naturally over time got rid of that crush she had over sonic, it's realistic that people can let go of their childish habits over time and the same thing has definitely happened to Amy, ever since generations we have started to see her sonic-crazy phase in games begin to slowly fade away, in my opinion we don't need an arc to show that's shes over him I feel like that's been clear for a while now, like seriously name one game after generations were she was obsessing or even harassing sonic.
SA1 had this
Other people argue her main character trait is just
*”Tarot Cards”*
Sega is literally time eater 😭
Remember Sage from Frontiers? Her name is anagram of Sega as well
@@brandonwilliams6119Has been for ages.
@@CptJistuce I see what you did there
Honestly, this whole thing could've been mitigated if they had made the change gradual instead of basically retconing her. Had she had an epiphany similar to Dipper from Gravity Falls that you can't force people to love you, only try to be worthy of their love, then the change would have been fine.
She actually did have that revelation. In the comics, during an early arc before the Metal Virus, she mentions that she views Sonic as someone who has to run free on his own. She had some difficulty understanding that, but now she understands it.
It'd be preferable if it was in a game. But it's still there, at least. Plus, if the comics are going to be canon, it's a good place for small character moments like this.
@mythosinfinite6736 The comic canonically takes place after Forces. It would make no sense to add it to a game that takes place in the past.
@@florntlaze810
You're not wrong there, but since she still flirts with Sonic in whitespace in this game, it's not as drastic of a change as people are pretending it is. If anything, it's a nice midway difference that could very well be the starting point people are asking for.
@mythosinfinite6736 The starting point is whatever game you begin playing. The characters' starting point (personality) is how they were on the canonical timeline; be it Adventure 1-2 Amy, Riders, 06, Lost World, Forces, etc. Retconning the past for the sake of "new" people is disingenuous of an "remaster" of THE go-to starting point game like generations were for many fans. Everyone has their own version of characters that they enjoy redoing them when you can't get the old version (on modern consoles, not steam with the bundle), is criminal, in my opinion.
I don't think the Sonic Fanbase is only decisive, but more split. There are old fans, new fans, and... weird fans... 💀
Ok anyone on the Internet is like that
I’m just an old and new fan.
I’m an old fan, and these new fans are just FUCKING STUPID
People have an issue with censorship in general man
This. I can understand being against the changes in principle while still acknowledging that it doesn't majorly effect the game.
It's a game about a talking hedgehogs for kids i think you guys need to get a grip
@ you making people look like there weird for talking about changes they don’t like.
@@seacliff217 True, but I think people have a right to be upset about it, if was going to far like death threats than I have a problem with it.
Agreed, its been more rampant regarding japanese games but games like LOUS 2 get away with it due to Soyny's hypocritical double standards
I kinda like the change made to the Amy and Knuckles interaction. While I do agree that Amy is a strong character, so is Knuckles. It does not make sense that Amy can easily knock over Knuckles barely trying. If she used her hammer, that might have been a different story, but this interaction made Knuckles seem weak and clumsy.
Honestly only change that bums me out is that Knuckles doesn't get sent flying because Strong Amy will always be my favorite Amy
I think the aim there was to make Knuckles not look weak, not to downplay Amy's strength
Probably biased tho cuz I'm a Knuckles fan
@@Kutomi1 I'm not a Knuckles fan but I agree. If you make Amy suddenly strongarmed then it kinda downplays Knux being the muscle one. It also ends up making him look dumber than he is, because if Amy really was that strong, shouldn't he be amongst the few people to know that already?
@@Kutomi1finally, someone who actually gets it and knows why they stayed faithful to strength
That’s the worst downgrade change ever, also Sonic not holding Amy by the face was so cute and goofy, SXSG is so soulless and sanitized of the funny moments of the original.
@@Stickboy321Gono
O wow the sonic fan that wrote the script referenced events in the past, thereby making the modern era feel more connected to the series as a whole. And they gave amy self respect. Yep the sonic fans are definitely gonna hate that one
Ignore the fat joke being removed I guess. No one complained about these before… so it says many words seeing it changed randomly.
These companies hire ppl who look for stuff that might be controversial. Same boat as those DEI people. Then when said company adjusts.. they just look for even more stuff to change. So they can validate their ‘work’
@@Shendapyyou do realize knuckles line would’ve been changed regardless of it was a fat joke or not
@@Shendapyit says nothing beyond being a simple fat joke that doesn't matter, if a fat joke being removed makes you start spewing about DEI and controversial decisions then you are very sensitive person who needs to get over yourself.
It’s especially stupid considering that’s the entire point of the game.
@@Shendapy The line changes are arguably not even related to DEI tho
People are really down bad for a bat
You better believe it
I think you mean down “bat”
@@vOrbZv “ba-dum tss”
It remind me all stupid controversies with Lola in Space Jam 2.
@@vOrbZv Terrible.
I don't feel strongly about the changes themselves. It's more just the act of altering and censoring stuff is something I dislike on principle. I'd much rather game devs leave older games alone, it feels kinda intrusive that they feel the need to rewrite and tweak things in a way to hide/rewrite the game's original image. Just feels ugly, I'd much rather they just didn't remake it if I had the option. But yeah, even though that's how I feel. I'd be lying if I said I was going to lose sleep over it, nor do I think it's gonna stop me from picking up the game (whenever it goes on sale).
The whole point of a remake is to -you guessed it- REmake a game. They should change stuff, because not everything was great.
@@Drydoctor-qo5wt To REmake the game and to keep it similar enough to not crap on people's nostalgia, which is what you are really marketing. When you start changing things that people notice and it isn't seen as being for the better, they will complain. REmake the physics, the level design, and FIX what was wrong with the game. Otherwise, leave it.
@@Drydoctor-qo5wt The way you have responded suggests you've already made up your mind. I can guess the way this argument would go if I partook in it, so I'll skip to the chase and say I agree to disagree now. If you wanna have an actual discussion with someone, try to phrase things more reasonably next time. I will not be responding to you again, so goodbye.
@@Drydoctor-qo5wtbut IT’s marketed as a remaster not a remake
@@Agent_Ice0
The story and characterization IS what was wrong with Generations. Sonic and Tails should not be having amenisa about places they actively lived in. Fixing the script so that its in line with the games before the awful Meta Era and Frontiers is not a mistake it's a major boon. Sonic is NOT Mario, the Sonic series is supposed to care about it's characterization and continuity.
I like the changes, they give a new twist on an already brilliant game, a big improvement is modern Sonic actually speaks when he saves each friend, instead of just staying silent.
Yeah it was cool to get Modern Sonic’s comments on each character
And instead of being a jerk to Amy. I know he didn’t show any reaction to the cupcakes but it’s likely he didn’t notice of course
@@Stickboy321GoHe wasn't being a jerk in the og game stop crying kid
@@xnortheast1106Well Amy has been annoying Sonic and has been acting like a Stalking fangirl in the past,
But Sonic and Amy like each other now.
The problem with Amy now is that she isn't 110% anymore she's more 50% when it comes to her emotions. I prefer her old characterization because of it because it was a lot more entertaining to watch a hyperactive fan girl than a stoic woman who feels the need to say she's not a damsel in distress anymore. How about instead of saying it you follow Sonic's example (at least from before) where actions speak louder than words. You would thin Amy would be incredibly frustrated in frontiers for not being able to do anything but she just acts so damn stoic. Comparing Frontiers Amy to murder of the sonic the hedgehog Amy is like night and day. I still would like it if she crushes over sonic personally but at least keep her personality the same don't make her so boring. The change to her character didn't even really happen over time naturally either. Her love for sonic just kind of stopped without a good explanation. The smash bits sonic and shadow series had a better explanation for why Amy stopped liking sonic and that's supposed to be a parody for Christ sake.
This, so much this. I would like if they didn't tone down her crush (I mean, maybe don't push it as far as 06, sure, but she was fine in most of the games before and after) but that's really just a symptom of a bigger problem. If they wanna tone down the crush, Boom Amy and TMoStH shows how that could have worked without completely changing her personality. I see so many people claim "oh the only thing they changed was her intensity" or even saying her crush on Sonic was literally her only personality trait, but that's just not true. She was feisty, passionate, energetic, and yeah, a bit violent, in a comic-cartoony way. Some of that's still there to an extent, sure, but by and large this stoic, mother hen type girl that has to constantly state how she's strong and capable just. Isn't the same character. If people like this Amy, more power to them, I don't. I just hate this narrative that "she hasn't changed, she's just grown." No. Growth isn't getting ship-of-theseus'd into a different thing.
Someone who understands Amy 🥹
I personally hated how Amy was potrayed back then it she felt like a groupie to a boy band or the majority of Anime Girls who simp over the main male character. It's hard to look past her deeds while she was behaving like that.
Though I do understand giving her an arc on how she shows restraint on her feelings towards Sonic.
"and that pink water makes me really nervous" now THAT'S how you do a call back. not even just to Sonic 2, but to the feeling of hearing that Drowning jingle lol
I would HOPE Sonic and Tails "remember" Green Hill, given how casually they know the place in Forces afterwards. Same for Chemical Plant. '>_>
(And if anything, I appreciate pointing out the ORIGINAL LOCATION of Green Hill, because again Forces acted like every-goddamn-where was Green Hill as long as it was a uncivilized grassy area somewhere out there. Again likewise for Chemical Plant but it's every single time it was some kind of factory)
As for Amy, I prefer the remastered version, although I do agree the original Knuckles slap could've still been fitted in as slapstick comedy (even if I'm fine with the remastered version because I think the SFX they used for it is funny. XD). I personally think Amy in Generations was way, WAY too over-the-top, like this was Heroes Amy all over again even though in Heroes she was basically putting a façade to jokingly act tough in front of Sonic like that one gag in SA2 when she frees him from the prison in Metal Harbor, while here I got no such vibe and instead it just made her seem entirely *obsessed* (about as much as the atrocious "girl talk" scene between her and Elise in 06; ugh).
I prefer her trying to be "overly sweet" with cupcakes (that, knowing she likes sweets, she probably made herself) to try to win Sonic over, it shows she has an understanding (albeit an incomplete one at this point in time) of Sonic's liking for personal space, instead of her bordering on a parasite always requiring a hug. (Also I think she still tries to hug him beforehand, so the point is moot anyways? Like, she tries, sees it doesn't work, thinks maybe a different approach will work instead. I think that's a bit more valid than her trying to cling onto him like a goddamn magnet)
Yes, Amy's incredibly strong, she even lifts a gigantic hammer in the idw comics with the help of Silver, but he says that she did most of the heavy lifting. She can push people in to walls, but not Knuckles. It makes no sense for this to happen, when he's as strong as he is, even with his gaurd down.
Oh no sonic mentioned something from his past😢
I swear toxic sonic fans are so annoying
stop enabling Ian Flynn's enabling Sonic fans' 'member berry addiction
oh boy can’t wait for every interaction and conversation to become a nothing conversation referencing a past event instead of getting more insights on the characters
@@elinator8889 that's a snowball fallacy, and now you know 👍
0:23 Rouge's new suit design makes me wonder how she puts it on with her wings in the way.
Also I wonder how would anyone find a Bareback Sexual, because they censored that part of her, yet Amy still has her bareback
Certain subreddits would make you think otherwise
Well remember her ninja suit in Sonic X which doesn’t have her bareback?
Rouge probably must have some holes so her wings will fit and they’ll make her feel comfortable for her to fly,
But you have to know she’s not a playable character like in the original.
Remember she was covered up in Sonic Prime.
Tails went to Green Hill in the events of Sonic Mania, which would be in the past for that Tails.
alternatively, there's the 8-bit version of Sonic 2. Or, iirc, Sonic Chaos also taking place on South Island. (And given Fang made a comeback in Superstars, Triple Trouble has to be canon, and thus Sonic Chaos too by extension)
Either way, Tails has to know Green Hill at least before Forces, given that game acts like every single area of greenery "in the world" is Green Hill.
There's also a fan theory that sonic and co went to so many places before that they basically forget some zones, which would explain why they didn't remember the zones in generations since most of the entire series happens in like, less than a year (just a thing we saw in a podcast with Ian flynn but these podcast aren't considered canon so whatever)
@@extremmefan7305 Everything is canon*
*except for sonic chronicles according to the encyclo-speed-ia
@@WohaoG That's just a fancy way of saying "we just pick and choose what we need to, or can, reuse from previous games for the new one". :P
(aka it's more like "everything can be canon [except Archie and Chronicles because we don't want to deal with THAT guy again]")
It's just weird... especially when Generations is the reason that these locations became as frequently used as they are. The current "meta era" of Sonic was planted in Generations... but considering this was the first time many of these locations were being revisited, it would make sense for Sonic and Tails's memories of Green Hill and Chemical Plant to be foggy at best. Now, 13 years later, when these locations keep being reused, it makes sense for them to completely understand where they are. That's why it feels so weird for them to already know all this stuff and reference these things like they were yesterday.
While Chemical Plant wasn't reused (Tails should still remember because first adventure and born on Westside) Green Hill and South Island was, it's just that they weren't actively reused in the main series outside SA2. Both the Game Gear games and GBA have you go back to both South Island and even Green Hill. (among other places like Angel Island) Though with Green Hill they did at least try some variations despite the manual saying it's the same place in the Game Gear games. (like Ivo turning the place into metal)
There are two reasons why i don't like the idea that things were changed in Generations:
1. I *extremely* despise the idea of rewriting history like this, especially in a game that's about restoring history, and in one with a counterpart game that has a plotpoint of "Please don't change the past no matter how much you want to".
2: The changes made are half-assed. Only like 3 cutscenes are actually changed, none of them to accommodate for the new dialogue. A good number of scenes require the voice actors to talk unnaturally quickly to avoid SA2ing themselves. I didn't want a cutscene that imply that Classic Sonic eats Angel Island.
Either keep Sonic Generations the same as it was, or redo all the cutscenes. You can't do this awkward middleground and not expect fans to be set off by this. For the first time i agree with people who'd rather play with the japanese voices and i'm happy that's an option, i'll just stick to those this time until mods do something about the dialogue. Thank goodness this didn't bleed over to Shadow Generations somehow.
Yeah I was honestly *hoping* they'd rewrite the story the moment I heard there's gonna be a Generations remaster, since I always thought that was the weakest part of the game. (I didn't think they would delist the original game on stores and make this the only available version however.) But the execution is so half-assed, they barely changed anything and I don't really feel like the changes they did make are an improvement. I mean I like some of the changes, while I don't like others. Overall, I'm still just indifferent towards the story, so it's like nothing changed.
I also find it amusing that they decided to spend dev time and resources to raise the cloth on Rouge's back by like 2 inches.
When did this game ever touch the subject of changing the past? They're not even time traveling themselves,it's just the stages being brought back
Amy should’ve been kept the same because in frontiers it now shows how much she’s matured and is more chill. I don’t think she should always seem that way before frontiers
Amy may have regressed in Generations from Unleashed. In the end of that game, Amy's able to successfully ask Sonic out on a date, and then Black Knight happens, making Amy assume Sonic stood her up.
Amy's character growth in Frontiers was so good, but going back to Generations and erasing her obsessive past kinda undoes how impactful it was.
Like, why bother trying to have genuine character growth if they're just going to retcon away the thing the character is supposed to be growing out of?
What character growth and in frontiers ? They pretend like none of her past happened 💀
I personally think that's because og Gens already took it too far in the first place, itself essentially undoing her growth from Adventure 1.
Meanwhile this attempts to still portray her as liking Sonic a lot, but just not *obsessively* so. This feels more like the same Amy who got so excited to see Sonic again she merely mistook Shadow/Silver for him in SA2/06, instead of the CD Amy who would tacklehug Sonic at *every* opportunity no matter how few the moments she last saw him ago were.
@@Winder_Stormwell people can move from their past
@@extremmefan7305exactly, the changes are still there. In CD she was obsessive and she changed later on canonically. It just works like that and it wouldn’t make sense for it to go to obsessive to love but not obsessive but to obsessive again
Changing amy from what it was to what it is now to portray how she acts nowadays in the modern games is bad since generations came out like 13 years ago. Sega acts like its the first time generations got released. You can't just change the past like that.
When the past was so goddamn ridiculous about it? Yea, no, I'll take the change, thanks.
Maybe a "legacy cutscenes" option would've been nice, but Amy in og Gens's cutscenes borders on insufferable imo, and that's saying something considering how few screentime most of the cast gets in this game.
People were unhappy about Knuckles being disrespected, but now that they changed that, people are complaining because you can't change bad things to be good, apparently??? If something is of such little significance such as Generation's story, nothing is lost by rewriting it
I agree; a remaster is not supposed to retcon, it's supposed to allow a new generation to enjoy an old game that they missed the first time around. Now there are two competing versions of a game that will only stir controversy and confusion for years to come. If the integrity of these old games can't be respected, it's best to not revisit them at all.
@@yay29823 Well, the point is that, if they are of such little significance, then just leave them alone. Remasters are not meant to change characters and storylines, they're just supposed to be passive updates to allow newbies to enjoy an old game.
@yay29823 Nobody was complaining about Knuckles being disrespected, you wanna know why? It was because he never was in 2011. Nobody considered him dumb at the release of generations (2011) him being disrespected wasn't even a thing for fans to worry about at the time. The closest you could get out of the fandom was when Knuckles couldn't catch the card thrown at him in a Sonic 06 cutscene because of his glove hands. The fans started to say he was disrespected in 2014 with the announcement and release of Sonic Boom, which reduced him to nothing but a big dumb muscle headed brute.
So this is future retconning for no legitimate reason and should have never been changed (the tree cutscene with Amy).
My opinion on Amy is that she shouldn't get future character development for a game that canonically takes place in the past before SAID character development arc happened in the first place;
otherwise it completely invalidates the point of the arc to happen in the first place for a game that released at a future point (Sonic Frontiers).
Since it was brought up, I'mma focus on it:
Changing Rouge's design actually says a lot more about those looking at the design than the design itself. As it was before it was fine, while changing it means people are bothered by there being any level of revealed cleavage and back, meaning they're stating they get thoughts about it and are bothered by those thoughts instead of just not caring in the first place about some cartoon bat. Or they're bothered by other people getting thoughts about it and they don't want that either, which as well raises the question of why do you care about someone else's imagination? And if the idea is that this is somehow inappropriate for kids to see, it's just cleavage, women have those. Do you need to protect kids from seeing women? Do you need to prevent kids from ever going to swimming places? Either way the response to the design is what says a whole lot more about people than the design itself, because as the design was there was no issue. It's rarely about the design and more about the response to the design itself.
And about the main topic of the new dialogue:
While some of the references make sense, at times the dialogue ends up way more dry because of it. Tails commenting about the water in Chemical Plant is a reference to people struggling in the water sections of those levels. So maybe it could've been changed to make him comment about how could he ever forget that weird water of the Chemical Plant or something. That way both the reference and the joke remain intact.
Exactly, it also makes no sense to censor it because it was already a CHILDREN'S game. What does that say about the fans it was already considered child friendly in 2011, so what exactly changed between then and now. All they did was make Rouge's wings make no sense for her clothes and remove her cleavage that kids should be too young to even find sexual in the first place; have they ever visited a pool when they were younger, I sure did it was never considered weird. People complained about 4kids censorship within Sonic X (anime) for the same character. But for some reason, they all support similar censorship now. Did Sonic fans lose their backbone? Recency bias? What happened?
Tl;Dr: Games used to rely on childhood innocents. Now, they try to account for adults finding sexual gratification for non sexual things, thus censoring the game Rouge's UPPER!!! back (not even her lower back, smh). For example: it was already certified as a kids game in 2011, and it wasn't rated T for Teen. So what exactly changed between then and now?
Personally I really like the dialog changes. Originally I ended up skipping some of the old generations dialog because it felt too cringe. But now I quite enjoy it 🙂The only dialog change I miss is Tails saying "that pink water makes me nervous for some reason" because of how many people drowned on that part of the stage originally 😄 It's a cute meta joke. But no big loss. The game is still too expensive for me so it was nice to get your take on the changes and learn whats causing all this division I'm hearing about 😄
I honestly didn't care about most of the changes. The whole Amy thing does "kind of" bother me in the sense that she shouldn't be acting like this because she was still in her "yandere" phase that she didn't grow out of until sometime after this game. I think it should have stayed the same, though I actually like her more as how she is now. She isn't an obsessed fangirl anymore, she has her own personality. She really used to feel like just the girl of the group but now she feels like her own person and can hold her own in the cast.
The Knuckles line was changed I think due to him not supposed to be a joke character anymore, so we instead of the writers we should blame the animation department. They should have changed and updated the animations to better fit the game.
The Knuckles scene where he's hit by Amy was changed I think for the same reason. Knuckles isn't supposed to be a joke.
My only real complaint with the game having the animations being choppy, and therefore the VA work sounds off due to them having to speed up their dialogue to match it. It is very noticeable in certain cutscenes.
(also the Voice Direction Colleen got for Charmy was horrible. It does not sound good anymore. I kind of get it so its more distinct from Tails but it sounds so bad. Colleen is still fantastic as Tails, just not Charmy.)
Overall the Sonic part of the game isn't what the whole game is about, it is mainly Shadow's game in all honesty because all my problems with the Sonic campaign disappear with Shadow's. Only complaint there would be I wanted it to be longer.
Knuckles getting hit into a tree once doesn't make him a joke, it makes a funny moment showing off Amy's true strength
@@Crump-I6x I agree, I thought it was funny. I’m just saying I can see why the writers may have seen it that way
Amy is not a "yandere," and the fact that people call her that makes me upset
@@End_Productions I put it in quotes because she wasn’t a full yandere but she had yandere qualities. Like being overly obsessed with Sonic and being a stalker in a sense. I don’t think she was the typical yandere, i .e. being a killer, but she was very stalkerish.
I could have probably worded it better to put my point across better, or I could have explained it like I did here.
@Cameron_Levine "being a stalker" dude they're friends. I don't think Sonic would've kept her around his birthday party if he thought she was some random stalker.
Stalker also implies that she's always on his back when you gotta realize that at least before The Meta Era Sonic and his friends would go a good while without seeing each other. Why do you think they say "Long Time No See?" And since she actually loves him and hasn't seen him for a good while it makes sense that she would be excited to see him
I think some of the changes were fine, but others felt excessive. The story of Generations asa whole still feels a bit lacking though.
That’s fair
Honestly, if they tried to change the story into something more substantial, I don't doubt folks would complain about "unnecessary changes to what's only supposed to be a silly thing", "not everything needs to be a deep narrative", and "not faithful to the original that I loved", even tho almost everyone complained about the lacking story back then.
@@Mike14264 See, people often like to complain that the Sonic fanbase is fickle and impossible to please, but the thing is: the Sonic fanbase isn't a hive mind. Everyone wants/expects something different from this series.
Some people (like myself) love it when Sonic gets to be more complex. We love it the franchise gets to take itself at least somewhat seriously and the characters are allowed to have depth.
On the opposite side, you have people who don't want Sonic to be complicated; the crowd that thinks this cartoon hedgehog taking on dark gods and reality-destroying threats is ridiculous. This is the crowd that prefers the franchise having minimal or no story like the older games.
The fact is that the Sonic fandom has been split for decades, and trying to appease one side almost inevitably winds up pissing off the other. That's why people end up complaining no matter what Sega does; it's not hypocrisy, just different people having different tastes.
@@GoldLight73 yeah, exactly, there's so many different people in the fandom, it's impossible to please everyone.
Heck, they tried that with Forces, and we know how well that went.
I get why they want Rouge to be less overtly sensual, but it’s as if Sega is convinced that’s all there is to her personality. As a kid, her outfit never bothered me. Yeah, I thought she was pretty and understood how her making boys feel “in love” could help her get what she wants, but this definitely feels like a case of unnecessary censorship out of fear of the kinds of people they aren’t marketing to.
Kids aren’t going to be doing weird things to a picture of Rouge just because her top allows her wings to properly stretch. Then again, in today’s messed up world, maybe they will. And that’s the saddest part of it. We can’t have attractive women in wholesome children’s media because their minds have long been exposed to things they shouldn’t.
Amy wasn't really "retconned" or "censored" here, i feel like they simply changed it because they wanted her to be nicer to sonic on his b-day instead of harassing him, but it is undeniable that her character has infact changed over time but that's supposed to happen, frontiers has showed us these are not the same main cast we've known for years, they've changed/matured and because they've matured clearly there going to let go of their childish habits and in this case its Amy's obsessive love for sonic, her character as of right now is fine the way it is, she is still as loving and caring as she's always been she's just less sonic crazy and i personally think thats a great change to her character because it shows shes matured, but obviously that's just my opinion.
I didn't notice any changes because I never played the original Generations.
Ruined childhood
Sucks to be you then.
Hope you enjoy it!
Okay? Makes sense lmao
Honestly you aren't missing anything, while it was the best of the Meta Era that was a low bar and the remake is a vast improvement over it's terrible writing.
I find the new dialogue to make way more sense considering gens is a celebration of the series
They removed "you and what mustache" joke
For people saying we're blowing the censorship out of proportion. Think of boiling the frog, letting any kind of censorship slide mean publishers will increase the censorship.
You don't know what censorship is. You're a manchild if you think changing Amy's bio or giving Rouge two more inches of fabric is censorship. Also it's definitely not "censorship" since you can still legally purchase the original game on Steam with the original content intact, with no legal or governmental bodies halting users from buying it.
As good as this version of Gens is the thing I’m most disappointed about is something they didn’t change
I’m kind of sad that they didn’t add new levels to base Generations; while they DID add new stages in Shadow Generations so it’s not that big of a deal the only games after SG that were represented as levels were Forces and Frontiers, with Lost World, Mania, and Superstars not being there at all. Would’ve helped the game since Planet Wisp is still the last and still by far the least
I kinda wish they atleast changed up the cutscenes so the dialogue didn't feel like they were rushed to make it fit the cutscene
It's like 4Kids has been reborn before our eyes.
tragedy, the bat's boobs are less visible.
you've got an internet connection, you don't need a game to see those mate.
I think people are upset that the dialogue had to be changed to begin with. It's like the Star Wars special edition changes and the "Han shot first" debacle. Feels like it's erasing the past to fit with the current state of the franchise, irrespective on whether individual changes are good or bad.
I am really glad someone else thought of this too. Atleast the level of gaslighting in characterization isn't as bad as seen in Toy Story 4
Can we talk about how off the voice acting in the "remaster" sounds? I'm not even arguing for bringing back the actors who were recast since Gens. Even the returning actors sound like they've just been crowded into a booth and told to just do it one take. Even redubbed lines from the same actors now somehow sound wrong. Colleen O'Shaughnessey is now voicing three roles (even if two of them ARE different versions of Tails), and she seems to have forgotten her voice for Charmy.
I think it's more they have gotten older with there voices in tow and now they need to bring back the same energy they did back then. I know there are a few voice actors that can but I don't think a lot of the cast here can and for the new voices... it's probably still 'new voice is problem' thinking where we are just not use to them.
@@rossjones8656 All the new voice actors are great, don't know what you're on about there
Some lines were definitely off, like in the entire intro it sounded like Colleen had something in her throat when voicing Tails there.
@cmguiyyt816 they are good voice actors but times have changed. Roger sounds like he's trying to impersonat his younger self and failing to do so that's what I'm getting at with the returning voices while the new one just simply either hasn't found there mojo or we are just not use to them.
@rossjones8656 Yeah no, Roger can do his old Sonic voice to a T and ain't failing at all. As for the new guys, it is 100% you not being used to them. And you alone as many others have said they either like or are fine with them.
who cares? Not like the writing was groundbreaking before. Looks like Flynn did the script a favor
I want everyone to remember this going forward with the hedgehog Engine two era
You can't have a controversy
Without being able to converse
Not every controversy when it comes to sonic is a bad controversy, It might just be a conversation.
P.S.
lowkey want to get pinned LOL
also I'm not saying your (creator) usage of the word is bad or was wrong I just wanted to point that out to everyone because we sonic fans tend to argue about controversies rather than converse
This fanbase will complain about anything bro lmao finally we get an actually great game and we got people hyperfixating on things that would make even the most nitpicky people blush. Cuz let's be real, 90% if not all of these ARE nitpicks no ifs ands or buts about it. It's so funny because one of the things critiqued about generations was its minimal story but now when there's DIALOGUE CHANGES to said minimal story parts of the fanbase throw a fuss. What an absolute circus show tbh
they practically censored all the jokes in the original. even the line where classic tails asks where sonic keeps his rings was changed to be about hoping the timeline would be fixed. amy smacking knuckles into the tree , sonic shoving amy with his hand and knuckles making classic sonic feel insecure about his weight were all funny and fit the light-hearted tone of the original. but post frontiers everything's gotta be all edgy and gloomy.
generations was never meant to be taken seriously and the way amy acted here was inline with her characterization at the time , ever since CD all the way to unleashed. so why rewrite history in a game that's meant to celebrate it ? the small changes make the game lose it's charm and replaced it with very lame dialogue and cutscenes. being faithful to the original is a rule a remaster should NEVER break.
Wow you an idiot first off they made knuckles and Amy into a joke Second of all Generation story Is about all of time being destroyed Which is literally serious And make it into a joke is really idiotic like really You complain about frontier story being too dark Is the same people complain about dark Stories in sonic games like dude Touch grass also Remasters when they change something Either in dialogue Or design A subjective And being faithful Is never a good thing If the writing is bad like generations Original dialogue like really piss off With your idiotic take
Has kiro heard that Sonic X Shadow Generations web manual bio for Classic Sonic states that he comes from "Different Dimension"? Oh boy the ride never ends.
I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE WITH CLASSIC SONIC DIFFERENT DIMENSION THING FOR GOOD!!! I WANNA GET OFF OF THIS RIDE! /j (But that’s really funny)
I understand why people don't like this dialouge formula as yes it can feel like sometimes the devs are going "look look these characters aren't dummies we're back to treating them with respect"
But the thing is i'm just glad Sonic Team remebers what continuity is after a decade of babying these guys to bits
They were never "babied" lmao
I love Amy Rose. Why the unnecessary hate for her. She now has character development which she SEVERELY lacked. She's no longer lusting after Sonic. She still likes him but she respects him now. Why the controversy over that?
Exactly. Ian already set that straight in the very second IDW issue and has come out on record saying whether the SonAmy stuff happens or not is up to SEGA alone.
My problem (and hopefully but probably not other people's problem) is that it doesn't feel like character development, it just feels like retconning considering that they removed that aspect of her in Generations and for all we know, could remove it in future rereleases.
Now don't get me wrong, I prefer newer Amy, but I'd prefer character development instead of a sudden change. Still not the end of the world really lmao I'm fine with this.
Because it's not character development, imagine if Nintendo remade Mario Sunshine and made Bowser not want to marry Peach
@Pyrodiac Yeah, I can understand wanting to tone down some of the cringier stuff, but I do agree replacing it with IDW era Amy in a game that much earlier is questionable.
Knuckles' line being unchanged implies something... interesting, and really a sign that something more should've been changed for that new dialogue to work properly
all this "controversy" would be fixed if shadow gens was a separate game you could buy 💀
No I feel like that would cause more controversy
@@GiroEXE yeah... maybe there would be no other way around it lol
I see that Sega still doesn't know how to explain Classic and Modern co-existence. They re-retconned that they are the same character on different time periods. I remember that Tails on Forces said that "other universe Sonic" or something like that.
I'd chalk that up to your typical Forces fluke, personally. (There's a lot of those)
The recon of them being from different worlds was the result of a mistranslation of the word world because in Japanese the word world can also refer to the past and present and even future so the people who speak a different language messed up when they wrote the story the creator of sonic ( who is Japanese ) just fixed this mistake .
9:20 these two are my favorite PLATONIC FRIENDSHIP ever. i really like them as BEST FRIENDS. i hope we get to see more of them doing things that FRIENDS would do.
At first I didn't like the changes, now I'm more mellow to it.
But holy crap, this spread like wildfire.
The worst reference is the time stones because you don't even use the time stones to travel in CD, you use the sign posts.
But the time stones also let you jump through time, thats why they were referenced
No, you do, the sign posts were just a game mechanic. The time stones are what allowed it
T_T
In canon lore they allow time travel
this reference already felt off and out of place but I find this reference even weirder because logically you'd think he'd reference needing the chaos emeralds to time travel. I guess sega doesn't want to acknowledge the emeralds can also time travel...
Sonic fans will really look you dead in the eye and try to convince you that “Long time no see” was the most essential piece of the worldbuilding and characters not saying it in games ruins everything.
I'd certainly prefer that corny running line over the abysmal references that drag the dialogue to a screeching halt.
Sonic is all about freedom.
Shadow is all about embracing who you are and your roots even if the world hates you, not denying it and pretending the past never happened.
Censorship is the antithesis to BOTH those things.
So anyone trying to defend censorship is a faker of a Sonic fan, as far as I am concerned.
For those saying the Censorship didn't matter.
(And remember. the slippery slope isn't a falacy. It's a rule.)
All I have to ask is: Which way Sonic fan?
The Sonic X Sub or the 4Kids Dub?
The Sonic X Sub every day, but not for the sake of seeing Rouge uncensored (I was interested in seeing what was cut, and seeing the cut content made me feel that much more invested, like the Molly event, the uncut fight with Yellow Zelkova, Shadow needing to remove his limiters to fight Knuckles, etc.).
I'm not that pressed about her being more covered up (especially after Sonic Prime's outfit, this feels a little less egregious), but I do understand where you're coming from about it and hope that the design's aren't altered any further
@@PolarityOfNeoSoulCity Give an inch they'll take a mile.
Also her uncensored mods are already out.
@@vi6ddarkking Oh yeah, I saw them all alongside the somehow almost as divisive skating boost mods
...Oh I don't watch TV Shows.
Remember when people made fun of the Rouge Censorship in Sonic X? Now some are actually defending it in SXSG and I find it hilarious lol
To be honest, I really don't think the changes are bad. I just find them to be interesting like how Tails knows of South Island despite the fact he wasn't in the first Sonic game or Sonic referencing the Time Stones from Sonic CD. I honestly like the changes.
In Sonic Generations they seemed to of removed Right There Ride On from Sonic Rush from the collectable music list And replaced it with Westopolis
I think the divisiveness is just the awkward half-way of "rewriting", just a redub of barebones cutscenes that had not-much-sense dialogue to make it more "sonic-y."
Like Sonic opened with a question regarding "familiarity" with "that place", so now he asks about "Green Hill looking different" like a sitcom gag to fill the weird question with sonic thing.
Sonic asked "how did this happen?" even though the answer is proooooobably the giant flying portal monster, so now he asks "WITHOUT THE TIME STONES??" to fill the redundant question with sonic thing.
Tails asks "you said that eggman was kidnapped..." to the completely mute character, classic tails responds "see, he was kidnapped!"...after eggman gets kidnapped (laugh track)... so it was changed to a truce (epic sa2/heroes reference) and noting the obviously different eggman.
Amy happily offers payback, but Sonic cringes at it for some reason because that's what he did originally to Amy's one-note personality line.
Sonic's sudden "Alright!" cheer after being cocky to Knuckles because he originally did a thumbs up to the one-note personality line.
Shadow Gens was also written by Ian and flows really well, here it was paper inserts for talky nonsense so I don't fault him. I wish there were animation changes to better-suit new lines as it's really hard to "fix" dialogue without adjusting the context and delivery.
Classic Tails noting that Eggman was kidnapped was indicating that he was the one who told Modern Tails he'd been and Classic Sonic isn't unable to talk he just doesn't in the cutscenes.
my biggest issue is that the 3ds specific levels weren't included, at least we got pinball for free
Glad I can finally experience the pinball DLC ngl.
Pc had it free forever
@@anaveragegamer359 oh! So it was included with the game for free since launch in the Pc version?
Personally, I don't mind that much but I don't like them changing things that already happened. It's not so serious, but it's kind of like rewriting history.
Honestly, I miss Tails commented on the gold rings and Shadow's "You got this Sonic!", but it really isn't the end of the world and I understand why they made the change.
The change of Amy not hitting knuckles all the way into the tree kinda comes off sexist like saying she can’t be strong when she is supposed to be
This might sound nit picky, but I liked how the original Generations didn't show Classic Eggman until the end of the game. That way it keeps the surprise that the 2 Eggmen are working together by making you think there was only one Eggman.
Holy fricking crap Sonic fans are *NEVER* happy. Literally nothing on the planet will satisfy them, they’ll complain about EVERYTHING
Yeah, and you'll just accept anything
I'm a sonic fan and i'm actually happy with how sonic x shadow generations turned out. I also love most of the sonic games except sonic 06... we dont talk about that.
@@johnnycakemusic4069 At least acknowledge that a lot of love and care is put into these new Sonic games and yet it’s ruined in an instant by the entire fandom nitpicking little things. They’ve accommodated so much for the fans
womp womp look at this guy complaining about the people complaining. Surely he’ll bring a unique take and dialogue to the conversation with actual merit
@@Shendapy lmao im not even a Sonic fan *or* a guy. I just wish people were grateful for once. They had to redo an entire movie because of these guys
I think it’s fine I personally like how Sonic doesn’t shove his hand into Amy’s face
I’m actually happy they let sonic talk now when he saves his freinds that shit was so awkward but funny in the old game , he just didn’t had any reaction just 😁👍
Man, I genuinely think the new Amy cutscene is funnier, Sonic holding her back was fine enough slapstick, but her just offering cupcakes to no-one with such enthusiasm in her eyes is so much funnier. That said, knockint Knuckles into a tree was clearly funnier than whatever she's doing in the new version, although I've also heard people who genuinely despise the old version
I noticed the changes, I just didn't mind or care too much with them... I only cared if the gameplay was still fun and the framerate was better... which it is on both accounts, they even also added the Drop Dash to both Sonics
the only thing i dont like is the reference to the time stones, doesnt feel natural. the time stones also werent what let sonic travel through time
I’m in a camp that likes some of the changes, and doesn’t mind others but does feel they didn’t need to be changed.
I definitely agree I find the references charming, since it does make the world feel more cohesive and like these adventures still, you know, actually happened. Rather than being some one off thing nobody ever talks about.
And I do prefer Amy’s new writing, since the crush is still there, but now she feels like she’s had character development and her crush is less obsessive. Like, those cupcakes she holds for him are pink and blue- and if you need to know why that’s relevant… look at Amy and Sonic’s fur. Or how her changed dialogue with Classic Sonic has her say she’s always found Sonic cute. She doesn’t need a bright neon sign advertising she’s in love with him, though I should be clear, they could probably strike a better balance for people who like that side of Amy.
The story was already widely accepted as dumb so I don’t really care. Also references work well with generations, since it’s a callback game. Like every fandom sonic fans love to complain, people were complaining for ages the games rarely have continuity. Now we sort of have it, surely that should make people happy. You can’t exactly have continuity without characters mentioning previous events that took place. It’s obviously going to leave a lasting impact certainly worth mentioning when a similar situation arises.
It’s funny seeing all the different sides to the changes people say , a ton saying good , cuase she’s not being an obsessive stalker, which people say unironically, like bro she’s one of Sonics friends , and she’s just being lovey dovey , with him it’s not anything serious , but I also don’t agree with people saying they shouldn’t have changed it , idk how a lot of Amy fans like how she was written in gens , this doesn’t feel like Amy that’s Amanda Flowers, she’s an over the top exaggeration of what people think Amy is , other games had their comedic relationship of sonic and Amy but Amy has no backbone here she just lets sonic hold her back lmao , and then she says that “flirting” line , like bro who wrote this 😭 , I really like the new dialogue it feels closer to Amy’s character, and her calling classic sonic cute is so funny
Yeah. I'm pretty sure that people who didn't like the changes were still sour about all the previous things they did to Amy and just sorta added it to the pile
Think of it like this. Sonic literally never used the time stones to go through time, he used sign posts, so he knows there are other ways to time travel. And he technically remembers 06, so he'd know the chaos emerlds would work.
Also. The pontaff dialouge felt familiar, tails remembered chemical plant, he just couldn't put his finger on it, because him and sonic were always going to another place that he'd have a hard time recalling some places. It's also strange that chemical plant is like, an iconic place in their minds and is named chemical plant. It'd be better if they kept that dialogue, and have tails instead say "This place seems familiar, I think I remember a place like this back home." Which would be a much better reference and feel more natural then "CHEMICAL PLANT, WEST SIDE ISLAND! I'M SAYING THE THINGS SONIC!"
The amy stuff also is redundant and honestly I want the mosth amy should be the amy going foward. So I'm gonna blame ian Flynn specifically for this change in amy, as I am quite confident sega would have made Mosth more inline with flynns amy if sega was mandating her personality like that. This is definitely more an Ian Flynn move over a sega upper echelon move.
Granted the changes are pretty harmless and at worst redundant or removing some genuinely funny lines. I'd have preferred they didn't do it but eh, what can ya do
You know, sometimes I forget I simp for an antromorphic bat, until someone calls attention to it.
I'm mixed on the cutscene changes. There's some that I actually like, and then there's some that make me question what the point was in even changing it.
the changes are controversial, but I really would rather not go back to OG Generations mostly.
Actually Sonic and Tails has spent a large amount of time on South Island and thus Green Hill, because of the Game Gear games, GBA games, Mania and actively living on there. (as Central City is located on South Island and the map from Battle implies it's close to Green Hill) As for how they can live on a island that is constantly moving, A: that didn't stop Knuckles with Angel Island, B: it's moving around was implied to be due to the emeralds so it probably doesn't do that anymore and C: even in Sonic 1 it had Starlight City.
Amy's crush dialogue is moved to Classic for some reason, only reason I can think of for why is her actually being one of the few to recognize Classic is a younger version of Sonic clashes with her mistaking Shadow and Silver for Sonic.
My main issue with Amy is that it's not like they stopped making Amy loving Sonic her biggest personality trait. They straight up removed it. It wouldve been better if it was just simmered down rather than completely removed. The only thing remotely remembering her old self is NPC dialogue after you save her, but those werent changed in the remaster so it doesnt count. Amy loving Sonic was an important part of her and can be fun if its not overdone. Also, these are cartoon/anime hedgehogs, Amy slapping knuckles into a tree is just a quick gag that shouldnt have been taken so seriously. If anything it makes Amy loom WEAKER.
Like yeah that's the thing. We don't want Generations Amy back we want Adventure Amy back
5:20 Even though it's never implied or confirmed, I have a small headcanon. When Classic Sonic rubs his stomach after Knuckles asks where Angel Island is, I start to assume that Classic Sonic remembers where Knuckles punched him back in Sonic 3.
I hate the fact that as a result of changing the script the voices are also changed. It does not sound right.
Snall thing but if u free amy as classic sonic, amy says that she always found Sonic Cute, but now he has gotten cuter. Just wanted to say that
I think Amy being so obsessive over Sonic is actually a core part of her character. Sure she's weird, but that's the whole point. I think toning things down just serves to strip Amy from her core personality traits.
Precisely. To her, Sonic is just as much a figure to look up to and a goal to strive towards, as much as an object of affection. Her crush on Sonic pushes her FAR beyond her natural limits, and allows her inherently heroic spirit to shine through when it matters most.
The video goes on about liking Amy when she wasn't a Sonic simp, but you genuinely can't have one over the other.
Amy was always of the old anime trope of being that over hyperactive, temperamental girl who overdoes her responses when antagonized, scandalized, or annoyed. Happens with Bulma in DBZ, the Love Hina characters, even some in Tenchi Muyo. It's who Amy is...not sure why a change is even necessary.
the funniest part of the References complaining is that a lot of those people also complained that the Sonic Movies were their own thing instead of just throwing all the Fanservice like the Mario movie
I never cared about Amy rose, she was okay to me back then
Until frontier came that's when she pick my interest
To me it made sense that Sonic and Tails barely remembered Green Hill amd Chemical Plant. I always had the sense that they blazed through those zones and never returned.
Why should Tails remember a ramdom plant he spent less than 10 minutes in? He's been through so many industrial settings over the years, it makes sense that he'd forget and it's also relatable for the player as we hadn't seen Chemical Plant in years
The new controls don’t work, they work well with an open world but it sucks for boost levels seriously.
This is definitely the chemical plant
My only real issue with the rewrite is how "half-assed" the implementation feels
Like either redub the lines as they were or rework the cutscene animation more to better fit the new dialogue
That being said if they're going to rewrite stuff for future remasters, I'm glad they started with the game where the story was the most inconsequential so they can learn from their mistakes here
Knuckles flying into the tree was like my favorite joke in the game as a kid 😭
Eh, I kinda like the changes. Probably the only exception being when the lines are being delivered too quickly to fit into previous talking animations and probably the knuckles/classic sonic conversation
The rewrites were generally fine in my book, but it sucks that they put little to any effort to updating the cutscenes to reflect those changes (namely anything involving Amy and the implication that Classic Sonic ate Angel Island). Had proper changes been made, they wouldn't have stood out as much (aside from us deep Sonic fans, but there's no helping that anymore xD).
One aspect I think the rewrites did that I think was for the better was the Eggmen speech before the final fight. While Eggman having a bit of selfishness against himself was a bit funny, making it so that they were more comrades made more sense during the initial standoff, while keeping their bickering once stuck in White Space (since that's still very in character) intact.
The main issue i have with the change to amy in generations is that it come at the expense of sonics character. For example the opening scene where amy is trying to hug sonic and sonic is holding her at arms length while he is talking being changed to a scene that looks like she is trying to get his attention to give him some cupcakes and he is ignoring her. Later on there is a scene where amy talks about being able to flirt with sonic after being rescued and sonic replies this isnt really the time for that in an exasperated voice. the new scene has amy talking about looking forward to being able to help sonic but does not change sonics response. this changes the tone of both scenes from sonic being exasperated to him being a jerk.