@@godbloodspilla7154 revolver ocelot and liquid snake were originally two different people as you see here. At some point liquid loses the use of his own body and "possesses" revolver ocelot, dubbing himself Liquid Ocelot. There is a twist on top of it but no need to get into that lol.
@@user-wy1et9dk9w No it was implied Ocelot was a psychic just like his father, The Sorrow. So when Liquid's arm was grafted to his body, his powers allowed him to channel Liquid's will. But then MGS4 explained it was all Nanomachines.
Yotsuba Possibly. You'd have to get to a high heroism level, then fire whoever you have, then redo the side-ops to nab translators and hope for the best. I don't know if they'd scale to your heroism or not, but if they do, that'd be the only way to check it.
redditor001 Wait he trained Solid? He faced him sure but he had intent to kill and it was either him or Snake if Cyborg Ninja had not given him a hand (and took one for Ocelot).
FlatSkip No, I meant redditor's comment meant that Ocelot kind of trained all 3 Snake's, but he only ever worked for two, Liquid and Solidus. He never really pushed Solid towards anything and the closest thing they had to mentoring was Ocelot trying to kill Solid at Shadow Moses.
in super basic terms in MGS2 the story they were going for was Liquids genes took over ocelot but that was retconned by kojima so they then said that Ocelot, basically hypnotised himself to become liquid when ever he saw solid snake,this way he can play the part as one of the sons of big boss to continue on his legacy.
When this scene played I got excited when it first went into slow-mo for my soldier blocking Eli's knife swing because I thought they were going to show how my soldiers have improved and become pros at CQC, and that Eli was going to get his ass handed to him by one of my men. But no, my soldier went crashing to the ground with a knife at his throat and all I could think was, "What do I train you dumbasses for?"
+UntouchedShadow Yeah. When the soldier blocked Eli's knife I was like "Oh shit, Eli's about to learn a valuable lesson. Don't mess with diamond dogs". Then the soldier got put on his ass.
+Isaiah Stephens and all with that stupid move you see people do in movies where they basically jump on your head. If you're fighting someone with any upper body strength at all they would just use gravity to fucking slam you on your back so fucking hard. The MMA fighter known as Rampage Jackson probably has the best KO by slamming a guy who was going for a triangle choke on him (basically wrapping your legs around someone's neck while you're on your back, on the ground, while they are in your "guard"), and that was a case where his opponent, who's in the same weight class unlike this soldier vs Eli, was actually on the ground when Jackson picked him up while his opponent was trying to choke him out. Matt Hughes did a similar thing to Newton when he won his title. Eli would have got his shit pushed in real good if these fights were realistic at all. If anything, his use of a knife evens the odds but the soldier skillfully deflected that, you'd think with reactions like those he would have simply slammed Eli, but maybe he was holding back since Eli's just a kid in his eyes. I'm going to choose to believe the solider was just holding back and being super defensive.
Nihilistic Snake She was only infertile after she was nuked, she gave birth to Ocelot on the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, long before she was anywhere near a nuke.
Ocelot: Good fight, maybe in the future we can work together Eli: Yeah right, like if someday in the future a ninja is gonna cut off your arm and after i die you're gonna use my corpse to get your arm back Ocelot: O_o
It looks like he's going to counter Eli in some fancy way and just slams him into the ground, there's also so few frames between him being upright and on the ground.
He learned CQC initially from mimicking Big Boss stance during the Virtuous Mission and Operation: Snake Eater. You'll see his complete mastery when Ocelot duels Snake at the conclusion.
He mainly learned it by watching big boss, as shown where in the end he and Boss fight to a stand still. So it makes sense some punk kid wouldn't be much of a threat to him if he could handle the best operative in the world in a fight.
+KingpinPasta lol this is where their Loyalty and Respect comes from during Shadow Moses, yeah ocelot "works" for him cause he does a good job at "working" with people (If you catch my drift) ;)
dude. its funny to see ocelot beating up little kids. who is he beating up next? women? okay okay...fine he wasn't really beating up kids. he was just calming 'eli' down.
It's sad how all this build up with Eli leads to literally nothing. When this scene happened, I was like "this gonna get good". Then when he steals the Metal Gear, it was like "ohhhhhh!"And then.......nothing.
@@zambaba-ba No, Kojima blew it, and Konami cut his funds for using funds for free to play games he was never authorized to do. So KOJIMA is to blame here.
+Kenneth Bui (Kurokage X) Not saying that he had none as an adult but here I don't see anything that would suggest so. He acts like someone who was kidnapped and stripped of his rank as a leader. And everyone is treating him like he's 4 years old now when he's already a soldier who knows how to kill people. It's only natural that he's pissed as hell.
+TekiNoKami if thats how he usually treated the Genome soldiers, its no wonder why he needed Mantis to keep em brainwashed ( the attacking/ threatening them whenever something innocent sets off his daddy issues, i mean)
+Nevin Rhymer didn't stop him from throwing almost all of their lives away against his brother as part of his warped vendetta, and it was heavily implied a large number of them were only following him due to mantis brainwashing them, so its debatable how much he actually CARED about them as people/individuals instead of as a group.
naxo Well yes, but Eli is stronger then most of the regular soldiers at mother base and while Chico has experience being a scout he was rash when he escaped mother base to find paz in a enemy filled stronghold. I like to think they would fight it out but Eli would have won in the end. (Most likely from cheap shot of grenades)
John S Yeah, no. Solid Snake had the recessive traits. Liquid was just deceived into thinking he did, fueling his inferiority complex and rage against Big Boss. Also, it was a joke. He has the dominant genes but he gets fucking bodied but Ocelot.
+My Profile Picture is by Hatomame, will all you perverts stop asking liquid got recessive genes solid got dominant genes. Ocelot says at the end of mgs1 that the inferior (solid) won. This implies that solid got dominant and liquid got recessive but liquids recessive were better than solids dominant. Liquid was lied to that his genes were inferior not that he got recessive genes
+Melvin Jansen Probably ambushing the enemy using a cardboard box. Then *SPOILERS* the Real Big Boss would question that same tactic when training him in Foxhound
Solid is my fav but I'm gonna be honest....Liquid fought since he was brat....Solid was in foster homes and got in war when he was *teen.* So it is way beyond stupid trying to compare them. Because if we go who was biggest badass in young years...sorry Solid still love ya but in all honesty your stupid ass shirtless bro gets that point in here because as I said asshole could fight since he was kid.....well in lot of other stuff I must confess shirtless bastard was more badass....I mean he survived shit because of which Solid or anyone else would be goners long ago and only reason why he was defeated was because of foxdie....so yes he was asshole....badass asshole....still wish he killed Meryl before kicking bucket himself though....don't ask why.
+M 5thSon Ocelot is a badass in all the games. Well in Snake Eater he's kind of a pussy, but he has his moments. His merit in Phantom Pain is being less quirky IMO.
I am so mad you cannot properly train d dog soldiers at firing ranges and how to properly use CSC, like there should be an alternate one where Eli gets his ass handed to him by that random soldier (and training soldiers would have been better than them just going "ermahgerd boss-kun ur back :o)
The reason Diamond Dogs soldiers aren’t trained in CQC like MSF were is due to how different Diamond Dogs is to MSF. MSF was supposed to be a unit, a mixture of infantry and spec-ops. At the time of MSF’s destruction we know they numbered at 300, the size of a battalion so they could easily be taught CQC by Big Boss and by what we see in TPP they each went on their own missions alone or in a squad of 2-4. It’s very different with Diamond Dogs and later Outer Heaven as they were the size of a division or corps, and Zanzibar Land was easily the size of a field army. These soldiers can no longer be trained personally by big boss or venom snake so they probably get trained in the basics of CQC so they are better than your usual infantry but worse than MSF.
Still, it actually serves as an interesting comparison. Considering you can play as your higher ranking soldiers on missions, and considering how there's at least 1 side-op where you need to whoop Eli's ass again, it also acts as a way to show the difference in skill between the higher ranked and lower ranked soldiers. That D class was good, but definitely needed more practice in cqc.
This is intentionally reminiscent of Big Boss's first encounter with a young Ocelot. And from what we see of Eli's abilities here, it is very apparent that he received the dominant genes of Big Boss.
I really wish there was more to do at MotherBase. Thats the idea I first got when they showed it off, but then again I also got the idea that we were gonna get a masterpiece (story wise).
Ocelot: "What's your name?" Eli: "Nyoka ya Mpembe!" Ocelot: "No, not that name. You're not a White Mamba, and I'm not an ocelot. We're men with names."
I always got a kick when eli got his ass kick but to be fair I think eli is suffering he's aware of what he is. Knowing he is not even considered a human but a weapon. There was most likely a lot of struggles in that young man life. I think if venom tried to talk to him and bond with him and help him overcome the hate. He would've been saved.
Probably didn't have a normal childhood. Snake was raised by multiple people so it can be assumed that they were good people. And he never left the states as ocelot said.
I can't believe that Ocelot was just playing Liquid throughout MGS 1. He's practically the kids uncle, yet did nothing to protect him during that game.
You know, as disappointed as I am by the lack of an ending for this game, (by which I mean everything post-50 and subsequent chapters, not "The Truth," which I'm actually fine with as an idea, it just failed to be properly built up due to the cut content), I still say that it was all worth it just so I could see Ocelot push down little punk-ass Liquid.
Huh? I never saw this scene. It feels really weird how this game already has less cutscenes than the other MGS games, and still about half of them are optional/missable.
And I don't like how Ocelot says that in mother base, they like to call eacother by there real name, even though they call John Big Boss, and Adamska Ocelot.
Enderace It is. You don't hear them calling each other by their names - so it makes no sense for them to "insist" to do so with the kids. Plus I was talking more from his (Eli's) perspective.
Enderace Well I said that I'm looking at it from Liquid's perspective. And since he *didn't* want to forget this life and considered himself a merc (or a soldier) it makes sense that he's pissed.
Enderace Since he didn't even want to be there and was just kidnapped he also doesn't give a damn what the others want. That's what I was talking about.
How could you be shocked? He's blonde, vicious child with a mullet and no shirt who looked to be 12 years old, the exact age we already knew Liquid was supposed to be in 1984... Once he spoke with an English accent, there should've been absolutely no doubt.
This scene really shows how Eli aka liquid snake is the superior twin with the supersoldier gene even thought he took big boss recessive traits. The way he handle that soldier was almost natural to him whereas solid Snake had to be trained and coach to become a soldier. he probably would have beaten ocelot too if he had more experience
*20 years later at Shadow Moses* Ocelot: When the boss was a kid, Big Boss, Miller, and I would have to smack him around with CQC every time he threw a temper tantrum. Wolf: Lol. Raven: Lol. Octopus: Lol. Mantis: ..... Liquid: For the love of....(sigh) you will not let me live that down, will you?!
Glad you kicked his ass, Ocelot. That lil' shit held a knife to one of MY MEN. Now, if only he accidentally killed him here... But that'd fuck up MGS4.
It is so fucking weird to have seen the Metal Gear franchise evolve. Yeah Kojima successfully installed some really emotional moments, especially in the odd numbered installments, but... SERIOUSLY?! Oh yeah, you bond with your troops and are torn apart by having to kill them, but PAZ'S VAGINA EXPLODED?! Oh yeah you hated having to kill The Boss, but... OTACON'S DAD WAS THAT BIG A PIECE OF SHIT?! Oh yeah i actually welled up a little when i first killed Sniper Wolf close to twelve years ago, but... SKULL FACE?! Guy looked like Freddy Kreuger facefucked a topographical map of Utah.
"By the way, Eli, I like that right arm of yours. If mine ever gets cut off by, say, a cyborg ninja made by the same person your dad use to work with, I just might use yours to replace it." "That's oddly specific."
***** Big Boss in his prime? He hasn't done anything to exceed Solid Snake. Just the Roster of opponents they faced and accomplishments is overwhelmingly one sided. What a piece of shit thing to attribute everything to luck.
+El Leganés as a counterpoint, Eli/liquid is clearly highly unstable even as a kid, which makes you wonder what kind of/how many years/decades of therapy he got in the end that made him acceptable for a command role in an actual us military unit, and the "superior soldier genes" crap is canonically due to Him LITERALLY failing his biology classes/ reading from the "Big Book of Inaccurate Genetics".on the genetics front, they are ROUGHLY equal, with factors like upbringing and different training ect having influence. Remember, David survived literally being cooked on the inside and out by a series of high power microwave emitters, when he was FAR from his physical prime AND had repeatedly had the crap beaten out of him in a relatively short period of time, and BB/VS BOTH canonically were capable of Bench-pressing the goddamned COCOON! let alone Peace walker and ZEKE! id say its less a cause of him being outright more resilient ( though, holy CRAP could he take a beating, in BOTH his appearances), in Solid he was the one taking more abuse in a short period of time (which could be argued why it took so longer for FoxDie to kill him DESPITE the long period he went from exposure before becoming symptomatic, it took him being beaten to a borderline pulp to the point where he was clearly having issues standing and aiming his rifle at Solid for F.D to actually kick in),so... you know...
+TheLOWbudgetGAMER dude when solid snake fought big boss big boss was pretty old, if snake in his prime was up against big boss in his prime, big boss would always win
bla alaa Haha okay... absolutely all evidence of combat ability, roster of opponents, and accomplishments are overwhelmingly for solid snake. Fan boys will fan boy.
Ocelot is already trying to get that arm.
Liquid!
Maximo Upchurch what’s the difference
@@godbloodspilla7154 well liquid and ocelot was the same. only ocelot i think was "possesed" by liquid
@@godbloodspilla7154 revolver ocelot and liquid snake were originally two different people as you see here. At some point liquid loses the use of his own body and "possesses" revolver ocelot, dubbing himself Liquid Ocelot. There is a twist on top of it but no need to get into that lol.
@@user-wy1et9dk9w No it was implied Ocelot was a psychic just like his father, The Sorrow. So when Liquid's arm was grafted to his body, his powers allowed him to channel Liquid's will. But then MGS4 explained it was all Nanomachines.
Gotta love those D-Rank soldiers trying to pitch in on Motherbase.
It's like, dude, you're only here because you translate Kikongo.
This made me chuckle :P
+Grishnakh gro Gorbash me too....
+SonofaGlitch good catch dude lol
+SonofaGlitch Real talk guys, can you even get a decent rank soldier when picking up the translators?
Yotsuba
Possibly. You'd have to get to a high heroism level, then fire whoever you have, then redo the side-ops to nab translators and hope for the best. I don't know if they'd scale to your heroism or not, but if they do, that'd be the only way to check it.
20 years later...
Ocelot: "Really, Mr. President? I have to WORK FOR this asshole?!"
+Sanguiluna to be fair, Ocelot did foresee himself working with Liquid.
+DIO's Scary Monster and THE WORLD technically speaking, he basically was the trainer for all 3, who also motivated them all towards their own goal.
redditor001
Wait he trained Solid? He faced him sure but he had intent to kill and it was either him or Snake if Cyborg Ninja had not given him a hand (and took one for Ocelot).
+DIO's Scary Monster and THE WORLD Solid Snake was trained by Miller.
FlatSkip
No, I meant redditor's comment meant that Ocelot kind of trained all 3 Snake's, but he only ever worked for two, Liquid and Solidus. He never really pushed Solid towards anything and the closest thing they had to mentoring was Ocelot trying to kill Solid at Shadow Moses.
Eli thinking he is going to punch Ocelot and Ocelot just floors him
Ocelot be like Sit your ass down
Also claims that he's the strongest boy in the world
I keep on re watching it
Ocelot : ponk
Un peu le but quoi
"Hey remember the time I kicked your ass back in Seychelles?"
"DON'T. Remind me of that Ocelot..."
"Yeah, I got you real good"
IronSnake98 lmao
"(Psycho Mantis laughing manically)"
"And you were so MUCH better when you were a mute!'
Don't hurt that arm Ocelot it's going to be yours in the future xD
+Producciones SolidMan® wait what?!!
+Nattakanok Meesaeng Play MGS1 and then MGS2 followed by MGS4
in super basic terms in MGS2 the story they were going for was Liquids genes took over ocelot but that was retconned by kojima so they then said that Ocelot, basically hypnotised himself to become liquid when ever he saw solid snake,this way he can play the part as one of the sons of big boss to continue on his legacy.
+Draco the Kitsune there was a lot of time for those who haven't play any game of the saga to clear the full games or watch the walktrhoughs
+Yariy 9797 its hell easier but i highly recomend you to play the complete saga you won't regret
When this scene played I got excited when it first went into slow-mo for my soldier blocking Eli's knife swing because I thought they were going to show how my soldiers have improved and become pros at CQC, and that Eli was going to get his ass handed to him by one of my men. But no, my soldier went crashing to the ground with a knife at his throat and all I could think was, "What do I train you dumbasses for?"
to be cannon fodder and for solid snake to kill someday
+UntouchedShadow Yeah. When the soldier blocked Eli's knife I was like "Oh shit, Eli's about to learn a valuable lesson. Don't mess with diamond dogs". Then the soldier got put on his ass.
+Isaiah Stephens and all with that stupid move you see people do in movies where they basically jump on your head. If you're fighting someone with any upper body strength at all they would just use gravity to fucking slam you on your back so fucking hard.
The MMA fighter known as Rampage Jackson probably has the best KO by slamming a guy who was going for a triangle choke on him (basically wrapping your legs around someone's neck while you're on your back, on the ground, while they are in your "guard"), and that was a case where his opponent, who's in the same weight class unlike this soldier vs Eli, was actually on the ground when Jackson picked him up while his opponent was trying to choke him out. Matt Hughes did a similar thing to Newton when he won his title.
Eli would have got his shit pushed in real good if these fights were realistic at all. If anything, his use of a knife evens the odds but the soldier skillfully deflected that, you'd think with reactions like those he would have simply slammed Eli, but maybe he was holding back since Eli's just a kid in his eyes.
I'm going to choose to believe the solider was just holding back and being super defensive.
+UntouchedShadow He's a clone of Big Boss. How could you possibly think that?
You kidnapped most of these on weather balloons
Ocelot: "Bitch my mom and my husbando invented CQC."
It's weird how Ocelot is so starstruck by the guy who killed his mom
Not so sure he ever found out she was his mother, though she most likely knew he was her son. I don't think any of the Patriots knew either.
***** But I thought the Boss was infertile. How did she birth him?
Nihilistic Snake She was only infertile after she was nuked, she gave birth to Ocelot on the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, long before she was anywhere near a nuke.
deVaras The patriots took ocelot from the boss I think
Son of The Boss vs Son of Big Boss.
Pretty awesome.
+Francesco A BROOOOOTHEEEEEEER!
darkpheonix831 LIQUIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!
+Francesco A Considering that Big Boss was practically The Boss's adopted son, would that make Ocelot Eli's uncle?
+darkpheonix831 its been too long...
+Francesco A are you sure you didn´t mean "pretty good"? :v
1:28
Ocelot: "That's a nice arm you have there..."
Eli: "This is my arm i used it everyday,dammit"
would be a shame if someone, y'know, stole it off your dead body...
Nice bike..
Ocelot: Good fight, maybe in the future we can work together
Eli: Yeah right, like if someday in the future a ninja is gonna cut off your arm and after i die you're gonna use my corpse to get your arm back
Ocelot: O_o
+Javier Ivan Muniz Nieves hahahahahahaahahaa
Lol stop
+Sinraiser You pretty good!
*Epic foreshadowing*
Write that down !!!
I love how the whole time, Ocelot's face is just like " .__. "
Because I was so amazed at how much of a terrific dumbass Eli is.
Ocelot just slamming Eli into the ground at 1:55 is the funniest thing ever. I can't stop watching it.
Nahian 1:56
Tiger Dropped
6 years later I still come come back to watch Eli get fucking yeeted
Funniest shit ever lol
that's what everyone should've done from the start lol
It looks like he's going to counter Eli in some fancy way and just slams him into the ground, there's also so few frames between him being upright and on the ground.
Seeing Eli makes me wonder what David was like back then.
He was bounced around in the foster-care system.
Beerbottles123 Very true. Snake has many memories of various homes throughout his childhood.
David was most likely socially awkward and silent, a little like Venom.
Eli was a charismatic natural leader like BB.
John Doe Indeed. But I also think that he had a heart of gold. One of those kids who was just kind at heart.
David is at school, repeating every last sentence of the teacher adding "huh?" to it.
Apparently Ocelot picked up a few things from his mother, including how to kick someone's ass in CQC and make it look effortless.
This may be late but what you said is likely a big reason why Ocelot was better at CQC than Solid Snake in MGS4.
He learned CQC initially from mimicking Big Boss stance during the Virtuous Mission and Operation: Snake Eater. You'll see his complete mastery when Ocelot duels Snake at the conclusion.
He mainly learned it by watching big boss, as shown where in the end he and Boss fight to a stand still. So it makes sense some punk kid wouldn't be much of a threat to him if he could handle the best operative in the world in a fight.
@@No-Name0087 Of course. I personally ascribe it as natural talent he inherited from his mother, but the actual training he got from fighting Big Boss
"Fighting will get you nowhere Eli" says a mERCENARY
Lol. True. XD
+The Cardboard Guys - Probably meant pointless fighting.
Raul Pubin "mERCENARY"
solider
He means meaningless battles won't get Eli anywhere, in fact it'll get him killed in action!
P.S I know you're joking so you don't need to reply it.
kind of ironic that ocelot beats up the man he will take orders from in the future.
Also the part about the right arm of Eli's.. hehe
+KingpinPasta lol this is where their Loyalty and Respect comes from during Shadow Moses, yeah ocelot "works" for him cause he does a good job at "working" with people (If you catch my drift) ;)
Well technically he was like a quadruple agent at that point, so Liquid was still being played.
dude. its funny to see ocelot beating up little kids. who is he beating up next? women?
okay okay...fine he wasn't really beating up kids. he was just calming 'eli' down.
***** And it all comes full circle.
Don't bother kid, killing me will create a temporal paradox.
Temporal?
@@professionalcommentstealer5271 YOU'VE MADE A TIME PARADOX
*Occiptal Paradox
Ocelot's gonna need that hand in about 23 years.
21 years actually
"thats for getting your ass kicked by a kid" 3:45
"I'm going to be wearing your arm one day you little shit."
It's sad how all this build up with Eli leads to literally nothing. When this scene happened, I was like "this gonna get good". Then when he steals the Metal Gear, it was like "ohhhhhh!"And then.......nothing.
Shit got cut by KONAMI once they fired Kojima, so blame KONAMI for that part.
@@zambaba-ba No, Kojima blew it, and Konami cut his funds for using funds for free to play games he was never authorized to do. So KOJIMA is to blame here.
Lmao, yeah, diverting funds into pachinko and mobile games, so innovative and then blame Kojima for trying to create something actually worthwhile.
Episode 51 was never going to be part of the base game, Konami said it was meant to be paid DLC, but that it was cancelled.
What free to play games?
He's pretty good
lunatiksAlterEgo but I think he is more of a revolver type
@@brandonechegaray3874 Exactly. Look at how he bends his arm to absorb the recoil 1:36.
Man Liquid has mental issues as a kid
+Kenneth Bui (Kurokage X) Not saying that he had none as an adult but here I don't see anything that would suggest so. He acts like someone who was kidnapped and stripped of his rank as a leader. And everyone is treating him like he's 4 years old now when he's already a soldier who knows how to kill people. It's only natural that he's pissed as hell.
He's got some daddy issues.
+TekiNoKami if thats how he usually treated the Genome soldiers, its no wonder why he needed Mantis to keep em brainwashed ( the attacking/ threatening them whenever something innocent sets off his daddy issues, i mean)
+Grant Moxham but the genome were kinda like his brothers and the way he talked about at the end of mgs 1 seemed like he really care about them.
+Nevin Rhymer didn't stop him from throwing almost all of their lives away against his brother as part of his warped vendetta, and it was heavily implied a large number of them were only following him due to mantis brainwashing them, so its debatable how much he actually CARED about them as people/individuals instead of as a group.
lol a walking Lord of the Flies reference
love that book
You know maybe it was better Chico wasn't around for this, something tells me if he was, he might have been killed when Eli showed up
Chico would have been like 24
+Kim Kusanagi 21 actuallly, and I think he would've schooled Eli on what it means to be a child soldier
naxo Well yes, but Eli is stronger then most of the regular soldiers at mother base and while Chico has experience being a scout he was rash when he escaped mother base to find paz in a enemy filled stronghold. I like to think they would fight it out but Eli would have won in the end. (Most likely from cheap shot of grenades)
+Xanmoas Eli vs Chico vs jack the ripper
+Xanmoas
2Bad that Chico is dead.
That first guy wan an E rank if I've ever seen one.
Those dominant genes at work.
Oh boy...you didn't see that episode of Maury did you? Turns out the little shit had the recessive traits. Go figure.
John S Yeah, no. Solid Snake had the recessive traits. Liquid was just deceived into thinking he did, fueling his inferiority complex and rage against Big Boss. Also, it was a joke. He has the dominant genes but he gets fucking bodied but Ocelot.
+My Profile Picture is by Hatomame, will all you perverts stop asking
Seems like your profile Picture played us like a damn fiddle!
+My Profile Picture is by Hatomame, will all you perverts stop asking liquid got recessive genes solid got dominant genes. Ocelot says at the end of mgs1 that the inferior (solid) won. This implies that solid got dominant and liquid got recessive but liquids recessive were better than solids dominant. Liquid was lied to that his genes were inferior not that he got recessive genes
Efraín Ram That's not how genetics works.
It`s cool that you can really believe little liquids already a threat at that age.
I wanna see what solid did in the gulf war!
+Melvin Jansen Probably ambushing the enemy using a cardboard box. Then *SPOILERS*
the Real Big Boss would question that same tactic when training him in Foxhound
Solid is my fav but I'm gonna be honest....Liquid fought since he was brat....Solid was in foster homes and got in war when he was *teen.* So it is way beyond stupid trying to compare them. Because if we go who was biggest badass in young years...sorry Solid still love ya but in all honesty your stupid ass shirtless bro gets that point in here because as I said asshole could fight since he was kid.....well in lot of other stuff I must confess shirtless bastard was more badass....I mean he survived shit because of which Solid or anyone else would be goners long ago and only reason why he was defeated was because of foxdie....so yes he was asshole....badass asshole....still wish he killed Meryl before kicking bucket himself though....don't ask why.
ocelot is too badass in TPP
+M 5thSon Ocelot is a badass in all the games. Well in Snake Eater he's kind of a pussy, but he has his moments. His merit in Phantom Pain is being less quirky IMO.
+JaviRexCommander they did a pretty good job with his character from voice to appearance, he became my favorite character in the series.
+M 5thSon Of course. He's the son of the Boss
+JaviRexCommander To be fair he absolutely wrecked a swarm of bees in Snake Eater by twirling is guns. Which was both stupid and stupidly awesome.
+JaviRexCommander pussy? i thought it was kinda badass when he block volgin´s atack with the revolver...
This is my favorite cutscene in the game, it just adds to the relationship and history between Ocelot and Liquid.
How do I get te scene? I've been waiting a lot and it doesn't pop up.
I am so mad you cannot properly train d dog soldiers at firing ranges and how to properly use CSC, like there should be an alternate one where Eli gets his ass handed to him by that random soldier (and training soldiers would have been better than them just going "ermahgerd boss-kun ur back :o)
aperturesciencegames *CQC
The reason Diamond Dogs soldiers aren’t trained in CQC like MSF were is due to how different Diamond Dogs is to MSF. MSF was supposed to be a unit, a mixture of infantry and spec-ops. At the time of MSF’s destruction we know they numbered at 300, the size of a battalion so they could easily be taught CQC by Big Boss and by what we see in TPP they each went on their own missions alone or in a squad of 2-4. It’s very different with Diamond Dogs and later Outer Heaven as they were the size of a division or corps, and Zanzibar Land was easily the size of a field army. These soldiers can no longer be trained personally by big boss or venom snake so they probably get trained in the basics of CQC so they are better than your usual infantry but worse than MSF.
Still, it actually serves as an interesting comparison. Considering you can play as your higher ranking soldiers on missions, and considering how there's at least 1 side-op where you need to whoop Eli's ass again, it also acts as a way to show the difference in skill between the higher ranked and lower ranked soldiers. That D class was good, but definitely needed more practice in cqc.
@@iterationfackshet1990 liquid was lucky it wasn't a former msf soldier
This is intentionally reminiscent of Big Boss's first encounter with a young Ocelot. And from what we see of Eli's abilities here, it is very apparent that he received the dominant genes of Big Boss.
I like how Ocelot's big CQC move is to pretty much just shove Eli to the ground
Girls during puberty: omg can't wait to buy my makeup kit
Boys:
Damn I wanted to hear the rest of the other kid's story :(
i was expecting some really cool looking counter but this man just straight up slugs him
He learned from getting owned by snake using a similar move
Must of been a D Rank soldier Eli was fighting. If it was S++, then he would have got wrecked
1:47 ocelot's face ahahhah "is this kid serious"
1:52 that pose ~ Have at you, Snake!
Shalashaska.. He's pretty hot
oh yeah, that squeaking leather sound... mmmm
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The best part was when Eli went in for the punch and Ocelot just shoved him down.
I really wish there was more to do at MotherBase. Thats the idea I first got when they showed it off, but then again I also got the idea that we were gonna get a masterpiece (story wise).
Liquid had his arse kicked over and over throughout the game, it certainly did his already low self-esteem no good at all.
Ocelot: "What's your name?"
Eli: "Nyoka ya Mpembe!"
Ocelot: "No, not that name. You're not a White Mamba, and I'm not an ocelot. We're men with names."
"Fighting ain't gonna get you anywhere" - says a member of an organisation whose sole purpose is to fight.
he means fighting on general like a fist fight
diamond dogs does others dirty work
and so he goes around the Mother Base, randomly punching and choking his soldiers (who actually ask him to do it) for the sake of training XD
I always got a kick when eli got his ass kick but to be fair I think eli is suffering he's aware of what he is. Knowing he is not even considered a human but a weapon. There was most likely a lot of struggles in that young man life. I think if venom tried to talk to him and bond with him and help him overcome the hate. He would've been saved.
Probably didn't have a normal childhood. Snake was raised by multiple people so it can be assumed that they were good people. And he never left the states as ocelot said.
I can't believe that Ocelot was just playing Liquid throughout MGS 1. He's practically the kids uncle, yet did nothing to protect him during that game.
It's funny how he ended up calling him boss at the end even if he's just a spy
It’s cute that Eli tries to fight some of the best fighters he came here and tried to stabbed snake then he tried to fight ocelot
I’m surprised Eli never tired to team up with Quiet since they were the only people on mother base who attacked staff and tired to kill snake.
I wonder where Solid Snake was during that time
Watching from the helipad
You know, as disappointed as I am by the lack of an ending for this game, (by which I mean everything post-50 and subsequent chapters, not "The Truth," which I'm actually fine with as an idea, it just failed to be properly built up due to the cut content), I still say that it was all worth it just so I could see Ocelot push down little punk-ass Liquid.
man he really wants that arm doesnt he
What I like about this cutscene is that the soldier that he attacks is completely random. In my game it was some redheaded guy with facial hair.
1:56 i have never laughed so hard in my life,now my food is ruined with snot
I like how I have no idea what's going other than that an adult is going CQC with a kid from Lord of the Flies.
Huh? I never saw this scene. It feels really weird how this game already has less cutscenes than the other MGS games, and still about half of them are optional/missable.
"Hey,you know my Papa,when he was working in the mines..."
Eli's wind-up for that punch was so long that Ocelot just needed to push him. 😂
1:55 For everyone's viewing needs ^^
Bonus points for repeating it over and over again!
0:48 Jesus adult hood coming in pretty fast
And I don't like how Ocelot says that in mother base, they like to call eacother by there real name, even though they call John Big Boss, and Adamska Ocelot.
+Batman Beyond I think he means just the kids are going by their real names.
+Batman Beyond Yeah that's hypocritical as hell, actually :) And does indeed seems like they're "cooler" than Liquid because of that.
Enderace It is. You don't hear them calling each other by their names - so it makes no sense for them to "insist" to do so with the kids. Plus I was talking more from his (Eli's) perspective.
Enderace Well I said that I'm looking at it from Liquid's perspective. And since he *didn't* want to forget this life and considered himself a merc (or a soldier) it makes sense that he's pissed.
Enderace Since he didn't even want to be there and was just kidnapped he also doesn't give a damn what the others want. That's what I was talking about.
its good to know that liquid snake was always a pyscho and very strong for his age
Just how many of you were all shocked to find out in the end that Eli is revealed to be none other than Liquid Snake himself?
No way!
How could you be shocked? He's blonde, vicious child with a mullet and no shirt who looked to be 12 years old, the exact age we already knew Liquid was supposed to be in 1984... Once he spoke with an English accent, there should've been absolutely no doubt.
1:54 rekt
love thid momment, so badass
Eli: *wants to fight*
Ocelot: *YEET*
Step 1: Casually approach child
Step 2: Grasp child firmly
Step 3: *Yeet the child*
This scene really shows how Eli aka liquid snake is the superior twin with the supersoldier gene even thought he took big boss recessive traits. The way he handle that soldier was almost natural to him whereas solid Snake had to be trained and coach to become a soldier. he probably would have beaten ocelot too if he had more experience
*20 years later at Shadow Moses*
Ocelot: When the boss was a kid, Big Boss, Miller, and I would have to smack him around with CQC every time he threw a temper tantrum.
Wolf: Lol.
Raven: Lol.
Octopus: Lol.
Mantis: .....
Liquid: For the love of....(sigh) you will not let me live that down, will you?!
1:10 Ocelot thinkin "What a nice arm"
0:28 Like a mono
Glad you kicked his ass, Ocelot. That lil' shit held a knife to one of MY MEN. Now, if only he accidentally killed him here... But that'd fuck up MGS4.
Alexander Ghostly AKA Ghost8909 it would fuck up the mgs series if Eli died
So mgs1,mgs2,and mgs4 would be fucked up if Eli died
Eli: I'm so bad ass you could never harm me
Ocelot: *Shoves him* Bitch
1:55 What would you do if there was a child sitting right in front of you?
Ocelot: "Now you be careful Eli, I'm going to need that right arm someday."
Eli was lucky Ocelot needed that arm, if he hadn't thos would have been a whole 'nother story
He really is The Boss's son.
1:56
ocelot: nope.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that the soldier fighting Eli was trained improperly.
Chad Adamska, son of The Boss and the Sorrow vs Virgin Recessive Genes Eliquid whose only trait is to have knowledge about "Big Chungus"
1:52
So this.. is... the power... of cqc... (whisper that to myself while ocelot simply shoves eli to the ground without any resistance.)
It is so fucking weird to have seen the Metal Gear franchise evolve. Yeah Kojima successfully installed some really emotional moments, especially in the odd numbered installments, but... SERIOUSLY?! Oh yeah, you bond with your troops and are torn apart by having to kill them, but PAZ'S VAGINA EXPLODED?! Oh yeah you hated having to kill The Boss, but... OTACON'S DAD WAS THAT BIG A PIECE OF SHIT?! Oh yeah i actually welled up a little when i first killed Sniper Wolf close to twelve years ago, but... SKULL FACE?! Guy looked like Freddy Kreuger facefucked a topographical map of Utah.
Hey, you stole that line from Deadpool...
@@khariennui it's still funny
@@EripmavsDYraid I will maintain that there is a time limit on replies 😭. This shit was a lifetime ago.
But yea I agree, it was a nice reference.
You can tell Ocelot cared alot about this kid after hearing the truth tapes.
"By the way, Eli, I like that right arm of yours. If mine ever gets cut off by, say, a cyborg ninja made by the same person your dad use to work with, I just might use yours to replace it."
"That's oddly specific."
One of the coolest moments of Ocelot in MGS
Every one is gangsta until ocelot starts beating a child
He is Liquid Snake after all. some random merc surely don't stand a chance.
I bet Solid Snake would have wiped the floor with Ocelot,the Phantom and the whole mother base crew...
+TheLOWbudgetGAMER He did ;)
***** Big Boss in his prime? He hasn't done anything to exceed Solid Snake. Just the Roster of opponents they faced and accomplishments is overwhelmingly one sided. What a piece of shit thing to attribute everything to luck.
+El Leganés as a counterpoint, Eli/liquid is clearly highly unstable even as a kid, which makes you wonder what kind of/how many years/decades of therapy he got in the end that made him acceptable for a command role in an actual us military unit, and the "superior soldier genes" crap is canonically due to Him LITERALLY failing his biology classes/ reading from the "Big Book of Inaccurate Genetics".on the genetics front, they are ROUGHLY equal, with factors like upbringing and different training ect having influence.
Remember, David survived literally being cooked on the inside and out by a series of high power microwave emitters, when he was FAR from his physical prime AND had repeatedly had the crap beaten out of him in a relatively short period of time, and BB/VS BOTH canonically were capable of Bench-pressing the goddamned COCOON! let alone Peace walker and ZEKE!
id say its less a cause of him being outright more resilient ( though, holy CRAP could he take a beating, in BOTH his appearances), in Solid he was the one taking more abuse in a short period of time (which could be argued why it took so longer for FoxDie to kill him DESPITE the long period he went from exposure before becoming symptomatic, it took him being beaten to a borderline pulp to the point where he was clearly having issues standing and aiming his rifle at Solid for F.D to actually kick in),so... you know...
+TheLOWbudgetGAMER dude when solid snake fought big boss big boss was pretty old, if snake in his prime was up against big boss in his prime, big boss would always win
bla alaa Haha okay... absolutely all evidence of combat ability, roster of opponents, and accomplishments are overwhelmingly for solid snake. Fan boys will fan boy.
Who would think that those two will be working together 21 years later ?
0:37 The one soldier who almost CQC's Liquid
XD Ocelot's thinking, I hope this kid doesn't grow up being in a position of power.
Cut to MGS1
Ocelot holding Eli's arm: This might come HANDY later.....
"DON'T COLD ME DAARGH!"
1:55 when eli loses the rank of little shit to tiny piece of shit
Boss "Danm more fighting on mother base hopeful I can sort all this out before it goes out of hand ...... Oh who put up that that cute poster!!!"
"No more judo!" - Ocelot, 1963
1:24 - Ocelot, 1984
The little shit needed a reality check.
Fuckin' Liquid. A pain then, a pain now.
This is why I love Ocelot.
And then Eli tell his story..
''hey,you know my father? He works in private military called Outer Heaven
Eli: You're pretty good!
Ocelot: Pretty good...