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Ford 5.4L 3v Triton Low Power P0011 P0021 VCT Timing Error Diagnostics
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2020
- Come along as we show you how easy it can be to diagnose VCT timing error codes on the Ford 5.4L 3v triton engine.
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These are the Parts and Tools I Recommend:
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Thank you for all your hard work, you help out a lot.😀👍
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Ford tech i was the one that called and bothered you last week regarding my camshaft caps they i was worried about regarding there wear and I would like to say thank you for putting my mind at ease with the wear I have. I have done quite a few of these engines but haven't in the past 10 years and your videos definitely make the process less of a headache and show the more thorough way of repairing these engines which i am about to go out and install my new camshaft and 24 lash adjusters and followers and chains with .y mellimg m360 pump and hopefully im praying this 189,000 mile motor fires to life without a hitch since i have spent 2400 on parts and tools which is the same amount I spent on the truck. Thank you
Is there a 5.4 3v timming kit you recommend?
*i cant believe we get content this good for FREE*
I totally agree this man is amazing! He often blows my mind!
you pick up Knowledge wear you find it 😉. Yes this guy is Great
This is exactly what happened to my 2005 project F-150. I did the timing kit, oem phasers, M340HV, 5w-30, etc, but I left the original VCT solenoids knowing I could replace them later if needed. Sure enough, 500 miles later and I was getting P0021 and a rough idle when randomly pulling into parking lots and the driveway. Thanks again, your videos and hard work is much appreciated.
i have a 05 150 too. several years ago the motor acted like it was going to jump out of the truck. took it to the ford store and a few thousand dollars later it was fixed. just 2 or 3 years ago it did the same thing. took it to a friend and he replaced a vct solenoid. just last week it happened again. it had 13 codes. i changed the oil and put 2 new duralast vct valves in and all is well. thanks, to all the youtube, ford mechanics.
Truck looks familiar 👀 ...still running perfectly ...thanks👍👍
We're starting to see more and more of these older VCT systems come in to the shop and this little bit of info is gold.
TY very much.
"There you go, seen it move" Idk about anyone else, but I didn't see the spool move lol. Another great video 👍 I don't have any issues, but I still watch these videos, as they come out. 😁 I can binge watch his videos, all day..
The valve is inside, when it moved in the bore the entire solenoid jumped, watch again.
@@FordTechMakuloco I watched it at least 5-8 different times, and I too never saw any movement. Even went full screen at 1080i.
Another great video. I have a 06 f150, 5.4, 3 valve 210k miles. I anticipate that I will be replacing the phasers, timing chain and related systems, and oil pump soon. Your videos have relieved my fears and buoyed my confidence to replace these things.
Great video Brian. For me (a DIYer) the biggest tip you give is the oil flow from bank 2 to bank 1. That and the instructive display on your scan tool as to what abnormal and normal operation looks like. I have a 2008 Explorer Sport Trac 4.6L 3V, now at 165k miles. I've had no timing problems at all but your descriptive work is really helpful. Thanks.
this was a valuable advisory for those of us doing a timing job. I have worried some about what may not go right and if any parts would not be up to snuff, on the job I have ahead of me. There have been a lot of you tube comments from channels featuring 3 valve timing issues that reveal not every job goes well and there are complexities of the parts and repair to be regarded with due caution. This video lays out everything was done right, just amounts to a premature component failure, even though it was the best part available. A guy has to keep in mind these possibilities and for sure use the highest level of parts quality available, which for this application is genuine ford factory replacement parts. Stuff happens!
Love your dedication to make these videos...I have a 2 valve 5.4 but I still watch these 3 valve videos
2v best 5.4
Wanna trade lol
@@allmotorhash 4v wasn't too bad
Brother your video saved me so much time. VVT was new just as I was getting out of the auto shops and moving into heavy equipment. I read the data and came to the idea it was a VVT issue. Your step by step really helped me pinpoint it and make a proper repair the first time! Thanks man!
Thanks so much. I had codes P0011 and P0016. Dealership wanted a bundle and my regular mechanic wanted to go straight into the engine for timing issues. 2 VVT solenoids later and the problem is gone. I have a Ford Fusion with a 1.5 ecoboost.
Keep up the good work.
Just bought a 2010 F150 with 122K and the 5.4 3V and just threw the P0011 and P0021 codes. Oil looks clean and full. Hopefully one solenoid is my issue like yours, thanks for the info!
Thanks soo much for your videos. I have been sitting here watching all possible videos for the problems with my 5.4 3v. Still lots to see but love the content.
I just did my first chains and phasers on a 2008 5.4L 3V. Wanted to say thanks. Your videos were a great help, and yes ..... I made my employer go with all ford parts.
The FORD GURU strikes again! Learning so much about these engines and I barley see them come in the door anymore ! Great tip about running the self test can’t wait to try that out on some ford vehicles ! Keep the great content coming!
Happened on your channel last year still not caught up with all your videos but what I’ve seen so far you are the best teacher out there SMA was my favorite he applauded you on fixing ford vehicles
The information on this channel is incredible can only thank you for your dedication 👍
Great video. You give good instructions on how to go through the troubleshooting process. I think you have a bright future in teaching automotive sir
I have learned so much from u and , Ron diesel Tech even when he’s not here with us anymore, thats how I become a Ford technician all the tips and advices I ve taken from both u God bless u work
Always good to watch your stuff, thorough and to the point with good instructions.
What am I missing? At 16:34, just before the "em hm" You saw it move, I see nothing moving?
You can see the whole solenoid jump up.
@@FordTechMakuloco OK, I see that. I was expecting to see a spool valve move inside the housing.
lol I came here to say this I didnt see anything move and was so confused lol
I replayed that 5 second clip about 7 times and couldn't see anything except the little jump, but I didn't realize that's what we were looking for. I too expected a spool valve.
Great info, im old school and learning, my buddy bought his 2006 navigator over, rough idle and P0011 bank 1 and p0022 bank 2. All I have is a code reader so in researching fixes for him. Reckon I will try vct first, thanks for posting this. 👍👍
Good stuff man. I'm an ASE Mastertech and work on these all the time and you just taught me a few things. Thanks 👍
Your computer screen showed a Mustang briefly at the start of the vid. NICE!
These videos are great (I have a 2010 with the5.4L-3V).
Just had to do both of mine on my ‘08 f150. -assented side is a major pain in the rear, but fixed the problem. Still had the original ones in it. Phasers and timing components changed before I bought it but did not change the VVT solenoids. SMH.
The 3v is a beautiful motor once you understand it. I actually enjoyed doing the timing job on mine. Very cool design
Glad someone shares the same thoughts
Many a Phaser on 5.4 have been changed unnecessarily. I fixed many by doing just VCT solenoids and recommending Motorcraft 5w50 synthetic oil.
What about p0012 issues on 2016 f150 5.0. Stumbles at idle. Intermittent stalling, and intermittent CEL illumination. Cannot find any thing ultra helpful. Does it with clean oil. Cleaned air filter and throttle body. Any advice would be appreciated.
Helping me to understand alot,as I am old school wrench.
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
Had timing chain kit job done at 113k miles for $2500.00 with Dorman revised phasers, Melling 340HV, Ford solenoids, tensioners, guides, etc. 127k in and P0012 pops up while I’m going 45 mph. Popped my hood and unplugged the solenoid and limped home. Phaser broke and the solenoid was bad with it. Just put Ford phasers in, this time- $2100.00. Fingers crossed.
I can't thank you enough for that info and demonstration.
Me either it solved my problem! And I spent way way less money and time to actually fix my truck.
I redid my timing, ford 2006 f150 54 3valve. and i am getting a P0018, and P0022 error codes,,, i put in new VVT Solenoids and am going crazy trying to get my truck back running correct,, rough idle and stalls when i come to a stop sign,,,
I’ve been a subscriber for a while thank you for your info it got me through three timing chain sets very helpful.
I have a quick question. I have a 2007 f150 the 5.4 l 3 valve. I just replaced the cam position sensors and she starts to chug at idle a little bit here and there. The question I have is that well-known tick that these engines have is on the right hand bank and upon startup it doesn't do it right away, it starts after it's ran for about 30 seconds. Could that be a lash adjuster?
My question is why did this happen? I believe you said the customer only got 10,000 miles out of a timing rebuild and then the VCT solenoid error codes. Was there defects in the windings or something in the oil contributing to this, or what? He should have gotten quite a bit further down the road before having to go into the engine again.
you mention oil pressure and volume issues?? I believe thats the problem I have with a 2006 Expedition with P0022 and I replaced the vct solenoid. However sometimes when it is hot and i come to a stop it gets rough running and trips the check engine.
What happens if I do the phaser delete but don’t put a tune on it was still run good
Thank you for the videos. Super good info. My question is I have a 2010 f150 5.4 that’s is making engine noise how can check the cvt Solenoid without removing the valve cover.
Great video and diagnosis and i'm grabbing those noid lights. Thanks for the link.
Another great troubleshooting video, Brian ;-)
Thank you for your video it was really really good thank you for explaining everything I still have to figure out something how the test that solenoid without being a true mechanic
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Hey man i wanna start off by saying your videos have taught me alot and made me some $$ Thank YOU. for doing what you do .! .. im at a point now that i need to sharpen my diagnostic skills so im looking to get a better scanner .. mine is a cheaper Launch that doesnt do much .. What kind of scanner do you recommend .? Ive always wanted to know how you look at live data thru a laptop .. What kind of program is this or what would i need to purchase.?
I did my VCTs my self and I never pulled the covers it was risky because when I got that o ring off my Hex bit cam off and was resting on that timing chain omg J was so scared of dropping that and never seeing it again
I have a 2007 f150 5.4 that drives great only issue is when I try to reverse its stuttering. What do you think the issue can be?
Transmission fluid?
great video thanks for sharing most of the fords i work on are 2 valve but this is good information to have when i need it
I have a 2 valve 5.4 that will have a simi loud valve tick that goes away with 10 seconds to 2 minutes, it has a broken exhaust manifold stud but no signs of leak . After driving awhile it will have a quiter tap . Other then the broken exhaust manifold stud and idea . Thanks fellas
Loose spark plug ?
If it has a broken exhaust stud, it has an exhaust leak. Once the engine warms up, it gets quieter as the metal expands
Sometimes the manifolds will crack and warp which can cause the studs to snap. It's a pain, but upgrade to stainless steel nuts and bolts to avoid this in the future
I only know this after replacing both manifolds on mine- it had 5 broken studs between both sides but didn't really leak bad enough to tick loudly because of rust
@@joesmith-fi1sx I checked the passenger side ive got to checked the driver side. Thanks
@@austinhamann704 can the leak cause a valve tap sound, I sure hope thats all it is . Thanks
aaron rothe did you check the other side ? How many miles ? What year ? Vct solenoids ?
what software/equipment do you use for diagnostics?
Ive been looking for that software for days! Finally! Thank you Makuloco! Hope i can find my problem now on my shitty ole 3v
Could you put air to the port in the cam to see the phaser operate like air checking a transmission? The first one I did I made the mistake of getting a kit from Napa which must have had aftermarket junk in it and it didn't last very long. I learned my lesson. If a customer doesn't want genuine Ford parts they have to provide them and I take no responsibility. What do you think about the phaser lockout deal? Thanks for the video.
Thanks again for a great video - Doctor Ford Tech
Question here. I know this might make me sound stupid. Just want to start off i have learned a significant amount about these engines (especially the phaser stuff) from you videos, they are very on point. My buddys truck I'm trying to help him with is throwing the p0011 and p0021 code (factory oem phaser, after market cheapo vct's, but brand new vct's). When I data log the truck the only time the phasers appear to be off is at partial throttle mainly only when you are just maitaining speed. They stay around 40 advanced when maintaining on adverror, and when it is doing that the duty cycle is at 100%. Short of him just buying new oem phasers and vct's I'm having a hard time decifering if this would more than likely be a phaser or vct issue. Thanks for any advice or which one you would lean more to being this issue.
Had a Vvt problem on bank 1. I replaced both Vvt selenoids. Still had the same issue. Then I un plugged them and car works fine. Has to be the wiring voltage
I’ve got a comment does go with this video but I went to my ford dealer today to get some orange coolant for my 2012 f 150 said they didn’t make the orange any more it was yellow why did they stop making the orange and will I have to do a flush to change it over thanks best ford video on TH-cam
Awesome info Brian thanks for sharing!
I replaced both and I'm still getting the codes. What should I try now?
Have you experienced this same failure in the solenoid but timing over retarded instead of over advanced? Thank you for all your help 100% the best Ford tech on TH-cam
How about some content on setting up and using FORScan? There are already some but your videos are the best!
yeah i never diagnose without my FORSkin
So i have a 05 5.4l 3v. It runs at idle horrible, almost dies at red lights. Had the codes ran and...p0174 p0012 p0021. Installed a new maf sensor also reset the codes. Then as i was driving it it acted like it was running out of gas. Put it in neutral and it would rev up just fine, put it back in gear and back to barely running. Had the codes ran with new maf sensor and p0172 p0012 and p2196.
Needless to say i put the old maf sensor back in just so i can drive. Any suggestions would be deeply appreciated as this is my only means of transportation. Thank you and God bless.
Do you have a video for the 5.0? Can phasers be replaced without removing timing cover like the 5.4
Do you work for a dealer or yourself? Can you do a video on your experience? Warranty times management. Being a Ford master tech and a good one, I’ve left the dealer due to the craziness, only tech with five apprentices, cracking time limits and taking advantage of customers. I now live watching threw your videos. I got a city job and make more money but sure miss the adventure of finding the hard diags and keeping up with the latest of technology!
Curious, if you were a customer and brought your 5.4 3v into a the dealership to have all of the timing serviced what are the things you take into consideration upon showing up? Who does the service adviser choose to complete the service? New guy who needs experience or someone more senior who pays close attention to detail? This is all assuming the dealership doesn’t talk you out of having the timing service performed and or tells you to just drive it and invest in a new engine when the time comes (which may not be bad advice given the gentlemen’s truck in this video). Genuinely curious as this is a situation where experience seems to be very key and there is little room for error. Genuinely curious, not taking shots at anyone in the profession but it seems the business model is designed to exploit rather than provide genuine service. All that training and experience you earned over the years...hopefully if you ever get back into that line of work it’s for someone whom manages a shop like Bryan. Transparency and integrity will make dealership far more money and i’m sure their techs would enjoy doing what they once loved. Again not trying to press buttons just curious given my personal experiences. Thank you
We got a new service manager. Ripped people off. Because of her lack of understanding warranty work always got rejected so she retailed a lot of stuff. Charges 20$ for installing wipers....made the dealership a whack of money the first year, got her bonus but the next year suffered because of lack of returned customers. The techs got dragged into a meeting saying we need to find more things wrong because our numbers are hurting. If a customer wanted a timing job done on a 5.4 and they were keeping the vehicle. Assuming the chain didn’t eat the front cover and oil pump and if cam caps were not damaged I treated it like the 6.0 diesel.... a package deal...chain, phasers,sprockets, updated solenoids tensioners and offer the melling oil pump.
A lot of times I would diag and the apprentices would repair
@@craigbarker1077 Thank you for the honest feedback Craig. Still pays to have character. Plenty of folks out there in your community I bet would sure appreciate someone such as yourself to perform repairs. Even if it was just maintenance and providing insight of where/whom to take them. You have the experience and more importantly take pride in your craft. Good luck
@@Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiitt Thank you for this 🙂
You're awesome!!! Thank you so much for these amazing videos!!!
So the meter is showing the difference in degrees of the left camshaft position compared to the right side? Not the degrees the cam has turned. The numbers show the degrees the cam has turned?
I got the same problem but I am out of state need to get home it save for good long drive ?
What is this software/scan tool?
I have a 2010 F250 super duty with a 5.4 3 valve with 50,000 miles. Yes 50,000 miles ! When I first take off the truck has great power. But if I am up to 45 and want to get on it to build up speed it seems like I don’t have the same power like when I first start off. What could be the possibility for that?
you could also power probe the old solenoide w power probe using the right polarity, since polarity cant be swaped.
Another great detailed video!
I did a full timing job on a 2005 5.4 following all your steps and recommendations. Before start up zero oil pressure with the crank sensor unplugged. Decided to try to crank it and see if the oil pressure would read running and it did. Runs good at idle. Give it a slight load and it misses like crazy. Cheap obd2 gives p0012 p0021 p0201 p0174 p0351,3,6,7,&8. Does this sound like oil issues? I'm 99% sure I'm not a tooth off.
Thank you for your videos have you ever seen a OEM phaser malfunction I put less than a hundred miles after doing the timing job. It's on the bank one side started to come apart and no it's not my first time in job I've done on these three valve
learned some good tips from this video!!
bro,ive replaced everything on my expedition,and still same issue,,,,rund great in park when i stop i can hear rattling in the chain...runs great on highway
I very much appreciate your content, has saved me 💰💰💰💰
Keep going 😃 for the great 👍 work 🙏🏼
I just changed bank 1 solinoid today on a 2004 and the same P0012 came one for bank one again. What’s going on now
I am thinking about buying a 06-08 Expedition. Without knowing the history of a vehicle, would you recommend putting a can of engine cleaner in before oil change to make sure inside engine is clean?
You are beyond Awesome 👌🏽 👏🏼
Is there a mechanic in Albuquerque, New Mexico how can do the full timing set replacement, oil pump, oil and VCT solenoid?
My 5.4 f150 sputter on quick acceleration on the get up . If I slowly accelerate then it’ll pick up speed . While I’m driving if I flood the gas it’ll fall flat . If I want to accelerate I would have to slowly step on gas .
After I had the oil changed it started sputtering when it's warm and stopped. Rev it and it goes back to normal. Oil level is where it should be, Did a obd2 scan at autozone he just said it was the cam position sensor. I didn't know there was 2 and he didn't expand on anything. I'll have it back together tomorrow. I'm afraid I "fixed" the wrong side, or wrong thing in general.
I missed the reason on why do you recommend 5W-30 instead of the 5W-20 that Ford says to use?
Hi! If I remember right you had a video about locking the phasers but I can’t find it now. On my 05 Ford Expedition one chain tensioner has failed. I want to do hole timing job but I’m not sure what is it better to replace phasers or to lock them. What would you recommend?Thank you for spending your time and sharing all this information!
Do you have any vids on the cam lockouts and what tuner to use after install???
From watching over the years I remember him saying that doesn't recommend lock outs only new updated oem parts.
No, I will never install lock out kits.
@@FordTechMakuloco thanks man i really needed to know this. I still want see what i can do with a tuner tho.
Great explanation and repair
I have an 08 Ford F-150 that had a brand new transmission installed by Ford by the previous owner and my current engine has some of the regular 3V issues like the broken manifold studs, leaking valve cover but so far no valve issues. I am looking to buy a crate engine with the upgraded oil pump and some of the common issues fixed. Where would you source a 5.4 crate from or even a “refurbished” 5.4 with the oil pump replaced.
Very thorough ...
U are a great instructor .
Ive watched a lot of very helpfuI ford 5.4l videos you've posted. Thanks for all the work you put into them! I have a question regarding an issue with the timing chain. Mine is on a 2006 lincoln mark lt. The chain has no dark links and was hoping to not have to pull the front of the motor apart. I have the driver's side valve cover off and the links are stamped morse USA. There's nothing I see that can visible show me if the chain jumped a tooth. Thers no slack in the chain and the guides look good.
I live in Ontario, Canada and have a 2008 f150 with the 5.4L 3v, do you know of any good shops up here that do the same work you do?? I’d love to be proactive and keep my truck going for years and years. My truck needs the manifolds taken care of.. Currently at 210,000 kms/130,500 miles! Love her, and best part is she’s bought and paid for! Thanks for the great videos :)
Hey you have some great info on your videos I have a 2005 Ford F-150 5.4 that It won’t start . Bank 1 has 70psi and bank 2 has 90’-100 psi the motor will not start I have no codes I have fuel pressure . It cranks but no start .
Hi Brian.
What version of Forscan are you using?
Thank you for all your great video's man...!
I thought you post a video for changing the VCT solenoids where you stated to run a BG products engine flush prior. But I can’t find it and not sure which one of the BG flushes to get? I thought you had them listed as well in the description but don’t see it. Can you list which ones to use if that is still a valid step you recommend? Thank you
I have a 2005 Ford F150 Lariat and it will probably need the Timing chain kit done to it. Until I can figure if I'm going to do the job or a garage in Cincinnati, would it be a good thing to upgrade the oil to Full Synthetic 5W 30 or stay at 5W20 till i get the repair?
How do I test a solenoid without the tools ya'll have
Ive got the 5.4 and this was very incitful
I have a 2007incoln mark LT , wanted to know where to purchase oem phasers and tensioners website greatly appreciated
Just recently put Ford parts in my truck ran great but now that it’s getting warm on my oil pressure drops even with a new oil pump getting the clatter again what can I do
Im an ASE master mechanic, Got a question, just bought a 2005 f150 w 5.4, no chk engine light however , i pulled the codes and have p0021 and p0011, checked with my scanner and both cams are not advancing just setting at 0, cleared the codes and the duty cycle goes to 100% both banks trying to move when accelerating, then ecu goes to open loop and stops trying, i changed both solenoids with oem ford ones no change.. all this and still no engine check light?! I would say someone installed vct delete but i hear the phaser noise when engine is warm, checked vct wiring
Electrically good, jumpered vct's with 12v and phasers gets quieter but no other change in engine.. this has me stumped! Any help would be greatly appreciated before i have to tear into this thing.. thx
Hi i have a 2002 ford explorer and im Haveing a bad whine when its in gear but stops whineing when the torque converter locks up