Man this looks like fun. 2 things: 1. Thought I would be playing with a different type of phaser in 2020 2. This video is calming makes you forget for a min that you are broke and so is your truck. Or else I'd take it to a mechanic.
All example DIY videos should be this clear and well simplified as this one ☝️ ( not giving me a lecture about how you got started or your favorite vehicle 🤦🏾♂️ get straight 👈to the point. Talk less do more. Those who disagree, you can..
I am a Bangladeshi, I like your work very much .... I am learning the work of car engine in Bangladesh, I really want to make a living by working with good and skilled teachers like you.
great product I've installed 3 so far they are pricey yet quality always cost and I haven't got any complaints of either of the 3 ever having the same problem again its been 3 years for the first one so like I said great product
kquigs100 If flat-rate didn't exist then every mechanic would work this way. Taking time to do the job carefully, resulting in the job being done right the first time. I wish I didn't have to rush through jobs just to make a living. If I was being paid by the hour, I would make sure every damn bolt, nut, and screw were torqued to the proper specification or the proper sequence. I would only get paid 4hrs for this type of job. That's $80.
Mostly every 5 out of 10 machanics want to ripped you off Not Doing it Right and saying they Did put the New Part's in. It's just the fk'n truth. They Kno it's a pricy Job . And need lot's of patience . Like I said there are Good Machanics out there. Just need The Luck to be on yourside to find Right one.👍
Very good video. I noticed that you did not remove any of the valve springs. I think the ford manual requires that 2 valve springs be removed to keep the cam from spinning once the phaser is removed. I guess when you put the phaser back on you can spin the cam back to where it should be by aligning to your mark.
Ive watched your video a dozen times until I fully understood the procedure. I have a 4.6L in my 2009 expidition, its no secret that the phasers get worn out at 100k miles. Question: What is the benifits of phaser lockouts ? rather than installing new phasers ? Thank you again for posting this video, its detailed instructions are perfect for the do it yourself person and I look forward to your reply.
+Silicon Valley Engineer Replacing the phaser actually doesn't address anything in regards to the failure point in this system. The phasers operate off of oil pressure supplied by the engine. When these engines wear, and age oil pressure naturally drops. Because of this, the phaser no longer has sufficient oil pressure to operate correctly. Now, the oil pressure is plenty to still operate the rest of the engine safely, but not feed the high demand of the phaser. The reason you see people claim that replacing the phasers helped is that you have a brand new part with zero wear on it, so it's operating at maximum efficiency, but since it has to pick up the slack for the rest of the engine it can fail within hours again. This is why our lockout is the only permanent fix for the phaser system.
We are considering this for one of our fleet trucks, just trying to find a mechanic that will do it. One mechanic said it is too late (we just started feeling some rough idling this week). This is a better option than engine or phaser replacement and honestly probably worth a try. Thoughts on it being too late or is the mechanic just trying to sell me an engine. Btw if I can get even a year out of this it’s a huge win.
Typically it's only too late IF there is damage to the camshaft and phaser dowel pin area, and that usually takes a long time of ignoring the codes and noise. So if it just started, while it's always safe to inspect, that's highly unlikely.
@@garywalker2575 thats crazy. You got robbed. It in no way takes that long. But I can see shops charging that. Best to do it yourself. May take you 1 hours per side if your being slow and safe.
+ratcamaro Very true. That's how these started their life back in 2005 when the mustang first used the 3v engine design. We determined before anyone else how to address this and why its necessary. Our own 2005 mustang that graced the front page of motor trend magazine featured our lockouts even.
Search Results Featured snippet from the web Designed to be an affordable alternative to expensive engine repairs, the cam phaser lockout kit fits Ford Triton V8 engines with 3-valves produced between 2004 and 2014. ... "Lock" the cam phasers into one position, ending the rattling problem and preventing future damage.
awesome video thanks guys ! quick question do you guys do the install kit as well i have almost 190k and starting to hear the chattering whats it gonna run me to fix it before i have to replace the motor ?
Awesome vid! Excellent instructions and proceedures. Now I'm sorry about my ignorance. I think I may need to do this by can you explain in what case would I implement doing this?? Thanks in advance!!!
This is a great solution for any Ford 3V modular engine that has started to have a phaser knock, or cam/crank correlation codes, or cam over advance/over retarded codes.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Hi. I was wondering, does installing this delete make the timing chain and system last longer ? Is the engine less sensitive to low oil pressure ? Will engines with deletes last longer with less trouble and why ? Thanks
@@Toro_Da_Corsa Typically speaking the timing chain system takes a beating when the phaser system fails as the shock load is being absorbed 100% by the chain and guides/tensioners. so eliminating this issue puts less stress on those items. It is also less sensitive to oil pressure changes as the VCT system requires a substantial amount of volume to work properly. the engines themselves as a whole don't necessarily last any longer, but the oil/timing systems do, reducing the need to replace them. so as much as we would like to tell you that it would be directly responsible for the engine lasting longer, the engine itself, if you constantly changed those failure points, would last a long life. But, since you are having to replace those items less frequently, it helps life for those items.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Thanks for the answer. One more question. Since you guys have seen your fair share of Fords... When you lock out a 2004 or newer Triton , does it become as reliable as an old 2 valve Triton generally speaking ? Im looking for a truck and I never had problems with 2 valve Tritons. But the phasers are almost pushing me to buy a Chevy. If the locked out 3 valve is close to as good as a 2 valve, I'll just buy a good used Ford and send it to the shop to get locked out right away.
@@Toro_Da_Corsa We feel it is, the only issue left is spark plugs on the pre 08 engines, but just changing them every so often is a big part of if you will have issues. But to be fair, 2v engines had their own spark plug issues too.
Jeannette, do you mean you have two trucks? Or are you asking if you need to install this in both phasers? If two trucks are what you are referring to, then you need 2 complete kits. If you are asking about if you need to install the lockouts into both phasers of one truck, the answer is yes.
im not super sure but i have seen a lot of articles/forum posts/ videos about this specific issue with ford engines. i think that piece doesnt perform as designed and causes the chain its affixed to to either under perform or over perform against the engines performance. which wares the part out over time.
do you have to set the engine timing to a exact position to take the load off the cam before removing the chain? i would be concerned that the cam would want to move due to the valve springs to an unloaded position.
Mike Brennan Mike,If you would like, we could email you a set of directions so you can gauge the difficulty level yourself. Please email is at info@livernoismotorsports.com
So question, I read that locking out the phaser will lock it in the full advanced position. Don't we have a kit that will set the cam at zero degrees so there's no issues?
For what reason would you want to lock the cam phasers out? I know they are a weak point on this engine. Would doing this cause a loss in power and efficiency? Or would it not make much difference? A friend of mine has a 03 F150 with this engine. She's replaced the chains & the phasers in her truck. That truck doesn't get great mileage to begin with and it runs great. Hers is 4wd. Gets about 16 mpg. Probably 19 - 20 freeway.
The reason it to permanently eliminate the possibility of phaser failed which could cause severe engine damage. Most people report better power and economy over failed phasers.
I did the cam phaser lockout on my 5.4 L three valve, and had a question about it. Once the lock outs are in, is there any reason why the spring and plate on the back of the phaser still need to be there? i’m not a motor engineer, but I do have a solid engineering background it seems like the outer plate is mostly there to provide centrifugal force that shifts the internals. Once the phaser is locked, does it need to spring at all?
Good video. One added comments I feel is important- don't drive your Fords if you are hearing phaser noise. If you do, you'll be causing a catastrophic failure in a short time. Stop and do this fix.
+gaston50952 No special tools needed, we typically just use another wrench or ratchet to hold the balancer bolt, to prevent the engine from rotating while torquing the bolt down for the cam phaser.
@@CARRJ142 We did in this comment, and it's been here for 5+ years. This is just a more basic item and we wanted to cover the items most people would be struggling with.
I just purchased a 2007 f150 with 109k miles for 1500 because of a engine knock/rattle when warm at idle. I will definitely be getting the lockout. Is there a specific brand kit to purchase for reliability and having all the proper parts for install? Like gaskets and bolts?
Our Cam Phaser Noise Repair Kit comes with all the necessary components, and is patented and 50--state legal www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP823113
got my phaser out in the vise. i have the one long bolt style of phaser 04 150. spun my rear cover out of the way on the phaser. my aluminum lock out blocks all go in to easy. i dont have to push the block in all 5 positions. two positions are way loose i wont install in two of them for sure. other 3 dont need force to install. just pick the best one?
Do you also stock the timing chain tensioners or recommend a certain brand, and what oil pump do you recommend ? Also do you recommend a new timing chain? vehicle has 170,000
we always use brand new production Ford components if we ever replace any of these. At higher mileage, replacing items like timing guides, oil pump, tensioners, and chains are always a good idea.
So I got to thinking on this whole cam phaser issue on the 5.4L . So wouldn't just getting a new torque bolt fix the issue for another 100k? I know the lick out is a more permanent fix but it seems like the bolt getting out of torque because of the design flaw is biggest prob and may stay good after replacement for 100plus miles. I'd be fine with that for a $10 part.
Technology on the Beach No, the phasers lose control due to reduced oil pressure that naturally happens as the engine ages and wears. The phaser itself, along with the timing drive, and fasteners have nothing, or at least very little to do with this phenomenon. That's why replacing the entire drive system with new components maybe lasts for 1-15k miles before happening again.
QUESTION...Do you recommend putting lockouts in brand new phasers? I'm waiting on my new parts from the U.S. to come in. My Ford phaser was out 90° causing a really bad idel then a crank no start. Thanks 🇨🇦 F150 5.4 L 3V 2006
Now can you install the lock outs to brand new phasers? Or do you have to wait till they get worn out and start knocking before you install the lock outs?
@@LivernoisMotorsports so aee yhey going to have a longer life span ? will they eventually start knocking with the lockouts in ghe phaser of do 5he lockouts a permanent fix to the ticking?
On mustang 4.6.. When you are torqueing the phaser bolt to 30 ft/lbs then you do the additional 90 degree is it fine that I did the additional 90 degree with my brother holding the engine with a breaker bar so it won't be able to spin or is that over torqueing
I live close to this place in Rochester Michigan I would do mine tomorrow already got a price quoted for livernois to do them only thing they got a waiting list told me be at lest 3 months before I could get in their shop
Some mechanics recommend you get the engine in a neutral position and remove some of the rockers before attempting to remove the phaser. I noticed you don't do that. is there a benefit for doing so? because your way looks a hell of a lot easier. thank you for your input.
chris paikai The way they are recommending is if you do not have a wedge tool or follow our procedure to the letter. Their way is a lot more involved, but has more room for error.
It can they left one he is doing in the video typically doesn’t move the right one will always move when you take the phaser off. Vice grips behind the phaser is how we move them back
Howdy Livernois Motorsports, regarding this install, why does the spring placement matter if the adjustable portion of the cam is locked in place with your product. could one simply remove the spring or is it somehow needed?
These are actually imbalanced in stock form, and their location helps improve this. However, you're talking about true rotating centrifugal mass, versus reciprocating. So the small weight difference, small diameter, and relatively low speeds make it all a non-issue anyway.
I own a 2010 f-150 with a 4.6 3v engine. Could I run a new cam after installing this? the specific cam will be the Brenspeed Detroit Rocker. Also I see you have the option for the performance tune. is it worth the added cost in your opinion seeing you can no longer use a modified tune.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Well I bought this truck to strictly tow a 20ft boat and engine has 228k, its a 2006 5.4 3 valve, no check engine light, has been extremely well taken care of from the look of the exterior / interior and was a 1 owner but the widow had no paperwork on literally ANYTHING with the truck which is why I ask lol and everyone in these comments and small bit of research said theirs have gone bad at as early as 75-100k miles. I just purchased it a few months ago and did not at all have any idea of this ticking noise culprit / cam phaser stuff. I didn't hear it when I test drove the truck because it has a loudish muffler/exhaust system and probably did not reach an operating temperature high enough to really hear anything but now since I've driven the truck for a while whenever I get next to a building and am driving through a neighborhood or sit with the windows down in a quite manner with no music or anything and at low rpm around 1500-2000 I do notice this weird ticking noise bouncing off of the surfaces / buildings around the truck from outside and am curious if it is this phaser issue everyone is talking about. I'm considering just removing the heads from the truck and inspecting everything before I purchase your kit. I know that whole speel sounds open ended but I would appreciate any input if you have any in regards to the diagnosis & at minimum I would like to thank you for at least replying.
I live in texas dallas area im looking for someone who can fix the cam phaser noise on my 05 expedition runs perfectly smooth lots of power just the noise gets on my nerves
Customer of mine has an ‘08 F-150: If a 5.4 3V is already idling rough and throwing codes, are the existing cam phasers going to have to be replaced before installing this lockout kit, or can I just use the phasers that are acting up since they will no longer be able to rotate internally?
+MrMus TangMan They are ticking because they have lost control of motion due to a reduction in oil pressure. The noise is emanating from the 5 vanes quite literally smacking the built in stops in the phaser since the motion is completely uncontrollable
Since you never used the tuning device in the kit during the video is it necessary and could the kit be sold without it for several hundred dollars less since it is just a couple small pieces of metal and a hunk of plastic? It is very expensive and seems much like price gouging. Make it affordable and you may sell alot. At $700 for that kit for me it is not even an option
The recalibration of the computer is a 100% necessary part of this repair. Without it, not only will it have a check engine light, but it will also run in a default mode, and have poor drivablity. I apologize that you feel the price is not fair, but we have a tremendous amount of r+d time, as well as CARB EO status, and is fully patented due to it's unique design.
Just had this kit installed by my Ford dealer where I bought the truck, 2010 F150, 5.4 litre. Don't know if they installed it right or not but $3500 later, the ticking is louder and the truck still runs like crap.
Unfortunately there are a myriad of sources for engine noise, however, if it was indeed the phasers, and our kit was installed correctly, then it eliminates all phaser noise. Now, of course improper install, or improper diagnosing of the source of the noise does happen from time to time, but that is something outside of the kit's control of course. I would recommend taking it back to the place of install to have them look over the truck.
That's why I'm questioning the install, but I can't see giving these guys even more money. Can I plug the MyCalibrator tuner back into the same truck and see what it says?
Why did the cam shaft have to be locked into place? Other videos ive seen said the cam shaft will move when phaser is moved how do you get it to where it wont?
I have that noise. Is it necessary to change the phasers or just put the lockouts in the old phasers. Car has 209,000 miles but is still running fine,just that sound
I'm experiencing a loud buzz and slight power loss and when we ran a scanner tool over the truck it pointed us toward the right cam phaser. Is this what is most likely causing the issue? We can hear the chain knocking slightly on the right side but just wanted to be sure. Is this What sensors should l replace while doing this? I know the tuner deletes the two on the valve cover but are there anymore? Will I experience better fuel economy with this kit?
Steve Moon II This kit definitely helps out all of the issues related to a failed cam phaser. Whether power, fuel economy, or noise related. It does not delete any of the sensors though, nor does it need replacing of any.
Since, eventually, all 3v engines eventually have the phaser system fail, the lockout prevents or fixes this failure. Preventing the associated knocking sound, poor idle quality, reduced performance, and potential engine damage that comes along with phaser issues.
Mxmxv43 That is correct, the wedge tool allows for removal of the phaser with no other component removal. As for selling it separately, we do have the tool by itself.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Some videos when replacing the timing components recommend clamping the cam in place (which seems like a bad idea) but you all didn't use anything like this. What keeps the cams from turning in this procedure that you all did vs the rest out there?
@@brianw7731 we got it to the natural resting position prior to disassembly, but usually you can lock it in place with a wrench on the flats of the camshaft.
+Richard Seguin This is only necessary if there is actually damage to the phaser assembly. +90% of the time the phaser is still mechanically sound and can be used with the lockouts, but take the time to properly inspect them before reinstalling them
Typically no, you will need to inspect it to ensure there is no damage to the portion that attaches to the camshaft, but we designed this system to both prevent, and repair a phaser failure.
Well I would have purchased this kit before my 3 valve out of my ‘04 F150 bit the dust because of these phasers. Can I replace it with a 2 valve engine instead?
I have a 2006 Mustang GT as a code of peas 0012 I changed the cams to comp cams and now that code won't go away.. I've tried a number of things including camshaft phase or lockouts that code still comes up I'm questioning maybe my brand new chain tension or or possibly the oil pump itself not enough pressure?? Timing chain Fraser's guides are all supposed to be new?
Unfortunately there is far too much going on to diagnose by description. It could be calibration related, spring pressure related, actual cam timing related, damaged sensor, etc.
Richard Skipper Performance is usually increased vs failed phasers and nearly unchanged vs properly functioning ones. And yes, our kit includes our MyCalibrator tuner so you can reprogram the vehicle effectively for this modification.
you need to get them into their properly timed position as the video demonstrates, the exact position will vary based on the version of phasers and chains you have.
+Jonathan Diaz Jonathan, this kit will not work properly unless it's used in it's entirety. Installing the lockouts without our tuner will result in check engine lights, and poor running conditions since the vehicle will be running in a failsafe mode. Since we package this as a discounted group offering, it's actually cheaper to buy it as a complete kit, rather than buying the programmer, and the lockouts separately.
It will not unless you needed a quick fix to make it home as an example. We don't recommend doing this be best to purchase the cam phaser kit to fix that.
literally the only video I could find that was in-depth enough to make me feel comfortable doing it myself.
Thank you!
Man this looks like fun. 2 things:
1. Thought I would be playing with a different type of phaser in 2020
2. This video is calming makes you forget for a min that you are broke and so is your truck. Or else I'd take it to a mechanic.
All example DIY videos should be this clear and well simplified as this one ☝️
( not giving me a lecture about how you got started or your favorite vehicle 🤦🏾♂️ get straight 👈to the point. Talk less do more. Those who disagree, you can..
I am a Bangladeshi, I like your work very much .... I am learning the work of car engine in Bangladesh, I really want to make a living by working with good and skilled teachers like you.
great product I've installed 3 so far they are pricey yet quality always cost and I haven't got any complaints of either of the 3 ever having the same problem again its been 3 years for the first one so like I said great product
No check engine light with these? I've gotta put them in a friends 5.4
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kquigs100 If flat-rate didn't exist then every mechanic would work this way. Taking time to do the job carefully, resulting in the job being done right the first time. I wish I didn't have to rush through jobs just to make a living. If I was being paid by the hour, I would make sure every damn bolt, nut, and screw were torqued to the proper specification or the proper sequence. I would only get paid 4hrs for this type of job. That's $80.
Cannon Krebbs hey are you a mechanic i dont mind paying you good money put make sure my vechile repairs are quality do you want to work on my f150?
Mostly every 5 out of 10 machanics want to ripped you off
Not Doing it Right and saying they Did put the New Part's in. It's just the fk'n truth. They Kno it's a pricy
Job . And need lot's of patience .
Like I said there are Good Machanics out there. Just need
The Luck to be on yourside to find
Right one.👍
This video is 5 stars good stuff man you did it so professional
Thank you for the kind words!
Very good video. I noticed that you did not remove any of the valve springs. I think the ford manual requires that 2 valve springs be removed to keep the cam from spinning once the phaser is removed. I guess when you put the phaser back on you can spin the cam back to where it should be by aligning to your mark.
Ive watched your video a dozen times until I fully understood the procedure. I have a 4.6L in my 2009 expidition, its no secret that the phasers get worn out at 100k miles. Question: What is the benifits of phaser lockouts ? rather than installing new phasers ? Thank you again for posting this video, its detailed instructions are perfect for the do it yourself person and I look forward to your reply.
+Silicon Valley Engineer Replacing the phaser actually doesn't address anything in regards to the failure point in this system. The phasers operate off of oil pressure supplied by the engine. When these engines wear, and age oil pressure naturally drops. Because of this, the phaser no longer has sufficient oil pressure to operate correctly. Now, the oil pressure is plenty to still operate the rest of the engine safely, but not feed the high demand of the phaser. The reason you see people claim that replacing the phasers helped is that you have a brand new part with zero wear on it, so it's operating at maximum efficiency, but since it has to pick up the slack for the rest of the engine it can fail within hours again. This is why our lockout is the only permanent fix for the phaser system.
+Livernois Motorsports Very interesting discussion, thank you for your reply.
+Silicon Valley Engineer You're welcome
Will the lock out fix a bad phaser? Or is the lock out designed to prevent failure of a good phaser only?
This is designed to work in either situation so long as there is no physical damage to the phaser itself.
We are considering this for one of our fleet trucks, just trying to find a mechanic that will do it.
One mechanic said it is too late (we just started feeling some rough idling this week). This is a better option than engine or phaser replacement and honestly probably worth a try. Thoughts on it being too late or is the mechanic just trying to sell me an engine. Btw if I can get even a year out of this it’s a huge win.
Typically it's only too late IF there is damage to the camshaft and phaser dowel pin area, and that usually takes a long time of ignoring the codes and noise. So if it just started, while it's always safe to inspect, that's highly unlikely.
Great Video!
- very well explained and procedure, thank you.
Once again great video
Thank you for the recognition
This looks quite easy to do! Great tutorial.
It always does. Lol
It's getting to the cam phasers, the timing chain, the timing chain tensioner & guide, and the oil pump that are the painful part...!
With using the wedge kit, approx how many hours should it take a competent shop to install the lockouts?
2004 F150 5.4L
Car Guy Brian 9h billed
@@garywalker2575 thats crazy. You got robbed. It in no way takes that long. But I can see shops charging that. Best to do it yourself. May take you 1 hours per side if your being slow and safe.
Very well done video tutorial. Thank you!😊
Excellent demonstration. I'm still learning my ABC's on this dreadful creation by Ford, but why and how does a locked cam phaser help?
A locked phaser completely eliminated the vct system, therefore there's nothing to fail.
Great video and very detailed thank you. Is the cam phaser only on the one side or does this need to be done on both sides of the engine?
Thank you! both sides.
Great video very thorough!
Very good presentation.The best so far.
Thank you for the kind words!
This was GREAT!!! It just made me realize I shouldn't do this myself because I work too fast and I will miss a step....smh
Make videos assembling the whole engine together using this easy step by step method videos.
It's definitely on our list to do
when u pull phaser, wont cam move? or equalize
what is the purpose of the lockout
+miguelito0725 sanchez by locking out the variable valve timing you can run a bigger cam and avoid piston to valve problems.
+ratcamaro Very true. That's how these started their life back in 2005 when the mustang first used the 3v engine design. We determined before anyone else how to address this and why its necessary. Our own 2005 mustang that graced the front page of motor trend magazine featured our lockouts even.
Livernois Motorsports & Engineering Do you need to reprogram the PCM to avoid any codes popping up now that the phasers don’t move?
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Designed to be an affordable alternative to expensive engine repairs, the cam phaser lockout kit fits Ford Triton V8 engines with 3-valves produced between 2004 and 2014. ... "Lock" the cam phasers into one position, ending the rattling problem and preventing future damage.
ajthib yes you do need to have a custom tune.
awesome video thanks guys ! quick question do you guys do the install kit as well i have almost 190k and starting to hear the chattering whats it gonna run me to fix it before i have to replace the motor ?
Are you asking if we install this kit here at our facility?
Very good instructional vid!!
Awesome vid! Excellent instructions and proceedures. Now I'm sorry about my ignorance. I think I may need to do this by can you explain in what case would I implement doing this?? Thanks in advance!!!
This is a great solution for any Ford 3V modular engine that has started to have a phaser knock, or cam/crank correlation codes, or cam over advance/over retarded codes.
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Perfect explanation!
What's the tuner for in the kit you are selling? Did not mention anything about it in the video.
Cody Jiron It's our MyCalibrator tuner.
This guy is Awesome Thank you so much for the excellent Video. It had everything I needed to know. Thanks again. RIp Wyane Static
We're glad to hear that, thank you!
@@LivernoisMotorsports Hi. I was wondering, does installing this delete make the timing chain and system last longer ? Is the engine less sensitive to low oil pressure ? Will engines with deletes last longer with less trouble and why ? Thanks
@@Toro_Da_Corsa Typically speaking the timing chain system takes a beating when the phaser system fails as the shock load is being absorbed 100% by the chain and guides/tensioners. so eliminating this issue puts less stress on those items. It is also less sensitive to oil pressure changes as the VCT system requires a substantial amount of volume to work properly. the engines themselves as a whole don't necessarily last any longer, but the oil/timing systems do, reducing the need to replace them. so as much as we would like to tell you that it would be directly responsible for the engine lasting longer, the engine itself, if you constantly changed those failure points, would last a long life. But, since you are having to replace those items less frequently, it helps life for those items.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Thanks for the answer. One more question. Since you guys have seen your fair share of Fords... When you lock out a 2004 or newer Triton , does it become as reliable as an old 2 valve Triton generally speaking ?
Im looking for a truck and I never had problems with 2 valve Tritons. But the phasers are almost pushing me to buy a Chevy. If the locked out 3 valve is close to as good as a 2 valve, I'll just buy a good used Ford and send it to the shop to get locked out right away.
@@Toro_Da_Corsa We feel it is, the only issue left is spark plugs on the pre 08 engines, but just changing them every so often is a big part of if you will have issues. But to be fair, 2v engines had their own spark plug issues too.
Great video! I’ve heard that I need a custom tune after the phaser lock out. Is that something absolutely needed or can it be skipped.. Thank you!
It's 100% required, and we offer the complete, 50-state legal system with tune.
Great video, keep up the good work.
Wow what a great clean video. Thanks
You're welcome
Can you re-use the wedge for a wheel chock on a grocery cart?
No they are wedge to yield. One time use only.
WOW great video, makes me think I could do this myself.
Thank you!
Chad Preston: Part of the procedure is ensuring the cam is in a certain spot to prevent this.
@@iwontturnuhomo No need with our kit as it disables them
great video .... wouldnt you reduce risk of cam moving upon phaser removal by removing several specific rocker arms? i think i also mark cam to head
Yes, and no. while it further prevents one set of issues, it creates different ones. so we elect to keep them in place
Jeannette, do you mean you have two trucks? Or are you asking if you need to install this in both phasers? If two trucks are what you are referring to, then you need 2 complete kits. If you are asking about if you need to install the lockouts into both phasers of one truck, the answer is yes.
will this affect the smog test ? ....well made vid thanks
Our kit is 50-state legal with our mycalibrator tuner
Gracias por compartir su valioso video estoy muy agradecido amigo
No problem! Thanks for watching!
When do you need and why to lockout the phasers? And what are the payoffs for replacing it vs locking it out?
im not super sure but i have seen a lot of articles/forum posts/ videos about this specific issue with ford engines. i think that piece doesnt perform as designed and causes the chain its affixed to to either under perform or over perform against the engines performance. which wares the part out over time.
do you have to set the engine timing to a exact position to take the load off the cam before removing the chain? i would be concerned that the cam would want to move due to the valve springs to an unloaded position.
Mike Brennan Mike,If you would like, we could email you a set of directions so you can gauge the difficulty level yourself. Please email is at info@livernoismotorsports.com
So question, I read that locking out the phaser will lock it in the full advanced position. Don't we have a kit that will set the cam at zero degrees so there's no issues?
For what reason would you want to lock the cam phasers out? I know they are a weak point on this engine. Would doing this cause a loss in power and efficiency? Or would it not make much difference? A friend of mine has a 03 F150 with this engine. She's replaced the chains & the phasers in her truck. That truck doesn't get great mileage to begin with and it runs great. Hers is 4wd. Gets about 16 mpg. Probably 19 - 20 freeway.
The reason it to permanently eliminate the possibility of phaser failed which could cause severe engine damage. Most people report better power and economy over failed phasers.
I did the cam phaser lockout on my 5.4 L three valve, and had a question about it.
Once the lock outs are in, is there any reason why the spring and plate on the back of the phaser still need to be there?
i’m not a motor engineer, but I do have a solid engineering background it seems like the outer plate is mostly there to provide centrifugal force that shifts the internals.
Once the phaser is locked, does it need to spring at all?
What are the flaws of a lockout? Mines in the shop rn for that
The spring is not needed, no. But, we put it back on to prevent potential confusion, or loose pieces in the engine if forgotten/lost.
Good video. One added comments I feel is important- don't drive your Fords if you are hearing phaser noise. If you do, you'll be causing a catastrophic failure in a short time. Stop and do this fix.
we agree, we've seen far too many sheared cam pins or cracked phasers due to ignoring this problem.
Thanks for your good information and a question in which places sell the tool and the actuator that blocks the gears
We sell them directly on our website. www.livernoismotorsports.com
If you have an engine analyzer can you do the tune up procedure after installing the cam phaser lock out using the analyzer?
If you're talking a scan tool, no you cannot. Our complete kit comes with the necessary tuner and calibration.
Do you use any special tool to hold the camshaft to tighten the phaser bolt? Thanks an very good idea of using this lock out system.
+gaston50952 No special tools needed, we typically just use another wrench or ratchet to hold the balancer bolt, to prevent the engine from rotating while torquing the bolt down for the cam phaser.
@@LivernoisMotorsports You should have mentioned that.
@@CARRJ142 We did in this comment, and it's been here for 5+ years. This is just a more basic item and we wanted to cover the items most people would be struggling with.
I just purchased a 2007 f150 with 109k miles for 1500 because of a engine knock/rattle when warm at idle. I will definitely be getting the lockout. Is there a specific brand kit to purchase for reliability and having all the proper parts for install? Like gaskets and bolts?
Our Cam Phaser Noise Repair Kit comes with all the necessary components, and is patented and 50--state legal
www.livernoismotorsports.com/product/LPP823113
got my phaser out in the vise. i have the one long bolt style of phaser 04 150. spun my rear cover out of the way on the phaser. my aluminum lock out blocks all go in to easy. i dont have to push the block in all 5 positions. two positions are way loose i wont install in two of them for sure. other 3 dont need force to install. just pick the best one?
Correct, the tightest fit is the optimal position for these. They will not always need pressure to install.
Livernois Motorsports ya it's such little play. I figured oil will take up the slack
I can block the one of a 3.6 traverse engine I'm tired with my cam phasers
Do you also stock the timing chain tensioners or recommend a certain brand, and what oil pump do you recommend ? Also do you recommend a new timing chain? vehicle has 170,000
we always use brand new production Ford components if we ever replace any of these. At higher mileage, replacing items like timing guides, oil pump, tensioners, and chains are always a good idea.
So I got to thinking on this whole cam phaser issue on the 5.4L . So wouldn't just getting a new torque bolt fix the issue for another 100k? I know the lick out is a more permanent fix but it seems like the bolt getting out of torque because of the design flaw is biggest prob and may stay good after replacement for 100plus miles. I'd be fine with that for a $10 part.
Technology on the Beach No, the phasers lose control due to reduced oil pressure that naturally happens as the engine ages and wears. The phaser itself, along with the timing drive, and fasteners have nothing, or at least very little to do with this phenomenon. That's why replacing the entire drive system with new components maybe lasts for 1-15k miles before happening again.
QUESTION...Do you recommend putting lockouts in brand new phasers?
I'm waiting on my new parts from the U.S. to come in. My Ford phaser was out 90° causing a really bad idel then a crank no start.
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F150 5.4 L 3V 2006
Yes we do, that is the safest way to address these, by ensuring there is no damage to the old ones.
Now can you install the lock outs to brand new phasers? Or do you have to wait till they get worn out and start knocking before you install the lock outs?
You can definitely install them in brand new phasers, and we sell them preinstalled that way.
@@LivernoisMotorsports so aee yhey going to have a longer life span ? will they eventually start knocking with the lockouts in ghe phaser of do 5he lockouts a permanent fix to the ticking?
@@manueltovar4821 This is a permanent fix for the phasers, if it starts knocking it will definitely be from a different source.
On mustang 4.6..
When you are torqueing the phaser bolt to 30 ft/lbs then you do the additional 90 degree is it fine that I did the additional 90 degree with my brother holding the engine with a breaker bar so it won't be able to spin or is that over torqueing
Could this procedure damage the engine or camshaft?
Besides the obvious of noise reduction and reliability, what are the effects of doing this lockout? I would assume less power?
Actually you would get more performance out of it. That's why they recommend running a tune.
I live close to this place in Rochester Michigan I would do mine tomorrow already got a price quoted for livernois to do them only thing they got a waiting list told me be at lest 3 months before I could get in their shop
We're actually only booked about 3 weeks in advance. Give us a call we will get you all setup!
Some mechanics recommend you get the engine in a neutral position and remove some of the rockers before attempting to remove the phaser. I noticed you don't do that. is there a benefit for doing so? because your way looks a hell of a lot easier. thank you for your input.
chris paikai The way they are recommending is if you do not have a wedge tool or follow our procedure to the letter. Their way is a lot more involved, but has more room for error.
Won't the camshaft potentially move when you remove the phaser/chain?
It can they left one he is doing in the video typically doesn’t move the right one will always move when you take the phaser off. Vice grips behind the phaser is how we move them back
@@craigrushton7363 can explained how holding the camshaft please I don't want bent any valve.
this is great instructions
Is this lockout successful in the way of reliability? I'm thinking of doing mine as I need some work done regardless
it dramatically improves reliability on these, absolutely.
Do I need a tune after this?
Howdy Livernois Motorsports, regarding this install, why does the spring placement matter if the adjustable portion of the cam is locked in place with your product. could one simply remove the spring or is it somehow needed?
Derek Bishop It's technically not needed, but we prefer to keep things as close to OEM process as possible.
Is this to prevent your cam from going bad or can you lockout a phaser that has already gone bad instead of buying a new one?
so long as there is no permanent damage to the phaser or cam, yes it would
Adding the block to the phaser must create an out of balance condition. What are your thoughts on that?
These are actually imbalanced in stock form, and their location helps improve this. However, you're talking about true rotating centrifugal mass, versus reciprocating. So the small weight difference, small diameter, and relatively low speeds make it all a non-issue anyway.
I own a 2010 f-150 with a 4.6 3v engine. Could I run a new cam after installing this? the specific cam will be the Brenspeed Detroit Rocker. Also I see you have the option for the performance tune. is it worth the added cost in your opinion seeing you can no longer use a modified tune.
We do have a solution for performance camshafts, but it would need to be tuned at our facility.
Wow, very nice!
Rafael Colon Thank you
Is it necessary or do you also recommend to replace the lash adjusters and roller followers that are connected to them when you do this?
While not a bad idea to inspect them, replacing them is rarely necessary.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Well I bought this truck to strictly tow a 20ft boat and engine has 228k, its a 2006 5.4 3 valve, no check engine light, has been extremely well taken care of from the look of the exterior / interior and was a 1 owner but the widow had no paperwork on literally ANYTHING with the truck which is why I ask lol and everyone in these comments and small bit of research said theirs have gone bad at as early as 75-100k miles. I just purchased it a few months ago and did not at all have any idea of this ticking noise culprit / cam phaser stuff. I didn't hear it when I test drove the truck because it has a loudish muffler/exhaust system and probably did not reach an operating temperature high enough to really hear anything but now since I've driven the truck for a while whenever I get next to a building and am driving through a neighborhood or sit with the windows down in a quite manner with no music or anything and at low rpm around 1500-2000 I do notice this weird ticking noise bouncing off of the surfaces / buildings around the truck from outside and am curious if it is this phaser issue everyone is talking about. I'm considering just removing the heads from the truck and inspecting everything before I purchase your kit. I know that whole speel sounds open ended but I would appreciate any input if you have any in regards to the diagnosis & at minimum I would like to thank you for at least replying.
@@CFlo93 Without hearing the noise it could be anything. These are also known for cracking exhaust manifolds
Very useful thank you
So If I was to get the ford racing hot rod cam would I need to lockout the cam to keep good clearances
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The hotrod cams clear with no problems. The lockouts would not be needed just because you installed these cams.
I live in texas dallas area im looking for someone who can fix the cam phaser noise on my 05 expedition runs perfectly smooth lots of power just the noise gets on my nerves
Antonio,
This is a package that the average repair shop can handle. We provide complete directions, and a turn key solution for this common problem.
When removing phaser from camshaft do any valve rollers need to be removed to releive tension on the camshaft?
AL P Al, our kit allows you to keep the camshaft in place during install. There is no need to remove the followers during install.
How do you take care of trouble codes of inoperative Variable timing after locking the phaser? Is there a tuner?
this package comes with our MyCalibrator tuner which makes the appropriate adjustments to operate with locked out VCT
Did you do the other side with the same wedge? In the same place?
That is correct!
Customer of mine has an ‘08 F-150: If a 5.4 3V is already idling rough and throwing codes, are the existing cam phasers going to have to be replaced before installing this lockout kit, or can I just use the phasers that are acting up since they will no longer be able to rotate internally?
We always recommend inspecting them for damage, especially around the cam dowel pin area. if they are undamaged, there is no need to replace them.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Excellent, thank you for the fast reply!
Why are these phasers ticking and what part on them is actually making this noise.???
+MrMus TangMan They are ticking because they have lost control of motion due to a reduction in oil pressure. The noise is emanating from the 5 vanes quite literally smacking the built in stops in the phaser since the motion is completely uncontrollable
Since you never used the tuning device in the kit during the video is it necessary and could the kit be sold without it for several hundred dollars less since it is just a couple small pieces of metal and a hunk of plastic? It is very expensive and seems much like price gouging. Make it affordable and you may sell alot. At $700 for that kit for me it is not even an option
The recalibration of the computer is a 100% necessary part of this repair. Without it, not only will it have a check engine light, but it will also run in a default mode, and have poor drivablity. I apologize that you feel the price is not fair, but we have a tremendous amount of r+d time, as well as CARB EO status, and is fully patented due to it's unique design.
What is the advantage of locking this please? I assume its the same kind of thing as the variable valve timing on a Focus SVT?
These engines have a very common issue that as the engine ages the VCT system fails. This is the only permanent fix for repairing this problem.
Livernois Motorsports Thanks for the reply, always like to know why things are being done :)
Do you have to do both sides?
Just had this kit installed by my Ford dealer where I bought the truck, 2010 F150, 5.4 litre. Don't know if they installed it right or not but $3500 later, the ticking is louder and the truck still runs like crap.
Unfortunately there are a myriad of sources for engine noise, however, if it was indeed the phasers, and our kit was installed correctly, then it eliminates all phaser noise. Now, of course improper install, or improper diagnosing of the source of the noise does happen from time to time, but that is something outside of the kit's control of course. I would recommend taking it back to the place of install to have them look over the truck.
That's why I'm questioning the install, but I can't see giving these guys even more money.
Can I plug the MyCalibrator tuner back into the same truck and see what it says?
It will scan for trouble codes, which may prove useful.
The problem is circled in front
Barbara Locher dealers wont do the lockout, its an emissions delete.
Why did the cam shaft have to be locked into place? Other videos ive seen said the cam shaft will move when phaser is moved how do you get it to where it wont?
At this position the camshaft naturally stays located.
Doing it this way do you have to remove roller followers? What are the steps for the tune?
You do not. www.livernoismotorsports.com/images/3_Valve_Cam_Phaser_Lockouts.pdf
I have that noise. Is it necessary to change the phasers or just put the lockouts in the old phasers. Car has 209,000 miles but is still running fine,just that sound
Marcus Perry You can install the lockouts in the old phaser so long as there is no mechanical damage to them
I'm experiencing a loud buzz and slight power loss and when we ran a scanner tool over the truck it pointed us toward the right cam phaser. Is this what is most likely causing the issue? We can hear the chain knocking slightly on the right side but just wanted to be sure. Is this What sensors should l replace while doing this? I know the tuner deletes the two on the valve cover but are there anymore? Will I experience better fuel economy with this kit?
Steve Moon II This kit definitely helps out all of the issues related to a failed cam phaser. Whether power, fuel economy, or noise related. It does not delete any of the sensors though, nor does it need replacing of any.
Just bought a f250 witht 5.4 3V. This might be a dumb question but why would you want to install a lockout to the phaser?
Since, eventually, all 3v engines eventually have the phaser system fail, the lockout prevents or fixes this failure. Preventing the associated knocking sound, poor idle quality, reduced performance, and potential engine damage that comes along with phaser issues.
@@LivernoisMotorsports thanks, I'm assuming you would do this to both phasers?
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So all I need is this special wedge tool and I can remove the phaser without messing with the rockers? Can I buy just the wedge tool?
Mxmxv43 That is correct, the wedge tool allows for removal of the phaser with no other component removal. As for selling it separately, we do have the tool by itself.
Any videos of an install of the limiter set you sell?
it would be near identical, save for the limiter being a multi-piece design, the same principles apply.
@@LivernoisMotorsports Some videos when replacing the timing components recommend clamping the cam in place (which seems like a bad idea) but you all didn't use anything like this. What keeps the cams from turning in this procedure that you all did vs the rest out there?
@@brianw7731 we got it to the natural resting position prior to disassembly, but usually you can lock it in place with a wrench on the flats of the camshaft.
helloIs it necessary to change the phasers to put the lockout kitthank youRick
+Richard Seguin This is only necessary if there is actually damage to the phaser assembly. +90% of the time the phaser is still mechanically sound and can be used with the lockouts, but take the time to properly inspect them before reinstalling them
If I already have a busted phaser that is making noise, will I need to buy a new phaser and this lock to fix my truck?
Typically no, you will need to inspect it to ensure there is no damage to the portion that attaches to the camshaft, but we designed this system to both prevent, and repair a phaser failure.
Can the handheld tuner be used to tune other things or does it only work for the VCT system?
We have other tuners available but the included device is only for the lockouts.
Well I would have purchased this kit before my 3 valve out of my ‘04 F150 bit the dust because of these phasers. Can I replace it with a 2 valve engine instead?
ajthib Unfortunately not easily. Almost everything from computer, to harness, as well as intake and exhaust are all different.
After fitting camshaft phaser lock out does the ECM have to be reprogrammed
Des Hannan indeed it does, and our kit comes with all of the necessary parts, and our CARB EO tuner
donde se consigue la herramienta para trancar la cadena y la pieza de soporte que se coloca?
The locking wedge is placed between the chain and the timing cover.
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I have a 2006 Mustang GT as a code of peas 0012 I changed the cams to comp cams and now that code won't go away.. I've tried a number of things including camshaft phase or lockouts that code still comes up I'm questioning maybe my brand new chain tension or or possibly the oil pump itself not enough pressure?? Timing chain Fraser's guides are all supposed to be new?
Unfortunately there is far too much going on to diagnose by description. It could be calibration related, spring pressure related, actual cam timing related, damaged sensor, etc.
If my engine has a failed chain tensioner gasket will these lockouts fix the camshaft from being over advanced?
No it won't
Great tutorial!
Thank you!
Richard Skipper Performance is usually increased vs failed phasers and nearly unchanged vs properly functioning ones. And yes, our kit includes our MyCalibrator tuner so you can reprogram the vehicle effectively for this modification.
Do you need to make sure the cams are at 11 oclok or it doesnt matter what position the cams are facing?
you need to get them into their properly timed position as the video demonstrates, the exact position will vary based on the version of phasers and chains you have.
I already have the complete kit (timing chain, tensioners, cam phasers, etc.). It's Ford OEM. Can I purchase only the blue lockout pieces?
+Jonathan Diaz Jonathan, this kit will not work properly unless it's used in it's entirety. Installing the lockouts without our tuner will result in check engine lights, and poor running conditions since the vehicle will be running in a failsafe mode. Since we package this as a discounted group offering, it's actually cheaper to buy it as a complete kit, rather than buying the programmer, and the lockouts separately.
Just as a final QA check I would turn the C/S 720 degrees noting evenness of rotation. Do my timing marks fully align??
will JB Weld work in the place of the Lockout module 😂
It least just for a little while 😉
It will not unless you needed a quick fix to make it home as an example. We don't recommend doing this be best to purchase the cam phaser kit to fix that.