Why a Cheap Ebay Turbo DOESN'T Need an Oil Restrictor | How Journal Bearing Turbos Oil Works
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- Why a Cheap Ebay Turbo DOESN'T Need an Oil Restrictor | How Journal Bearing Turbos Oil Works.
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Great Channel 👍
You got great energy, slick video editing, good music and fun content.
Wish you the best for your channel brotha 💪
Thank you! I really appreciate it.
Glad you're back man, I was wondering what was going on over there and if there were any updates on your project
Still doing weekly videos, with the exception of the holidays. More to come soon.
Great job on the videos! You deserve a lot more views.
I appreciate that!
I love these videos that contradict common beliefs, great video man
Thanks! Same, especially when it debunking a common misconception.
Great info! The more videos like this, the more we can stop the spread of misinformation. Do you happen to have links to the vids you used as reference? I'd like to check them out as well. Hope to see more from you soon!
More to come soon! Here are the links. I'll revise the description and add them.
th-cam.com/video/5TYZChIdy14/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/bU-kfMjKREA/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/hGSoe-sZcXk/w-d-xo.html
Very informative, more focused, mainly cause I wasn't willing to chop one in half, but a lot to learn from them.
I’d also like to add my ball bearing Garrett gt series doesn’t need one either. It’s built into the chra and they’re only needed when running upgraded oil pumps/pressures. Had a mate with a s15 use one and cook his turbo because of lack of oil lol. Glad you showed the proper need for a good drain as well!
Still waiting on the pistons btw?
Good info. Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately, I am. Ugh, so tired of the run around. I just want to be ready for an upcoming event on March 27, Cleatus and Cars. At this point, going with another manufacturer "may" not allow me to be ready in time. I've called at least once a week, and it's "this weekend" or "this week".
Thanks for the info!
awesome video, well put together.
Thank you!
100% Facts. As long as the oil return is proper / big enough, than you'll be all good. That being said I do run a restrictor on my eBay hx35 but it's way bigger at about .08 as opposed to peoples improper .035. That's cool though I didn't even know you don't need a seal for it to not leak
Exactly! That's interesting to hear. I'd say there are some exceptions to the rule, but if you're running into issues, this is a great default to resort back to. Crazy isn't it? I'm not an engineer, more of a hobbies engineer, but that fact seals do nothing to keep the oil in, just goes to show if issues come up, look at your drain / return, whether there's kinks in the drain line, or it's at too extreme of an angle.
Massive Amount Of Respect Dude 💯🤜🤛💯 That's potent information 👍
Thanks!
@@cmattdabrat U very much wlcm Boss
A mat a quick question are theseshafts has any play in them?because i putchis one the new street perfotmanct
Interesting! Thx for download. Robbbert from Melbourne Australia.
You're welcome!
Thanks for answer all this aspect, I've been searching video about my t04e new baby 😂. Better to listen smarter out there to save time and money
No problem 👍
Very informative sir !!!
Thanks!
Same here welcome back..pal like your video's..
Thank you!
Any issue with that nylon braided oil return? My stainless steel return is leaking and a nylon braided hose I made for a pic rear breather actually fits perfectly lol
I wanted to be lazy and use it, and just as a heat sheath to it. Did yours hold up? Or do you think it’ll hold up?
I don’t want to make another stainless steel ptfe hose lol
Lol! I hear that. The AN line I made held up well. Maybe try a drain tube, stock style. They’re reliable.
Thanks now I can set mine up right the first try around lol
LOL, glad I could help. Check out my new video up and we did just that. Drilled the restrictor because the turbo I have has one built in.
Good informative video! I miss the old intro music though. Also I hope you do a video on how to properly setup the PCV system with a turbo! I know you said you will but I am really looking forward to it.
Thanks for the feedback! I'll toss in the previous music. I think I prefer it too. I've drawn up a schematic in Adobe Illustrator how I'm going to route it, and will solve the issues I had in the past. I'll work on that ASAP, pending my phone call tomorrow about the pistons.
@@cmattdabrat Yay! Yea the old music got me pumped up and I feel like it flowed great with the clips in the beginning! I am excited for the video, I found you while looking for turbo'd versions of my truck on YT and I stumbled across your videos and now I am going down the rabbit hole of getting a turbo for my truck! I am in the process of having the motor rebuilt, it had wicked PCV pressure in the valve cover because cyl 4 piston was slapping around like crazy and not sealing well. Hoping with a fresh rebuild she will hold some boost!
Awesome video man hit umm with the science lol
lol! That'll show 'em.
Grab a Modelo and drink every time I say "biggest issue / problem" and "piston ring".... Enjoy!
Came for the Cruze build and now i'm drunk. Keep up the awesome work!
@@ulior28 LOL! Thanks.
I had fun taking shots everytime u said shaft in the shifter vid 😂😂
Hey Matthew, what would you say the "stock" restrictor on the oil inlet of the gt3582r is ? In your video it Looks like 2 or 3 mm to me? I keep getting a puff of smoke when i let off throttle under boost at high rpm on my honda b20 , and theres nothing i can really do with the return line. I know its not really recommended but thought about trying to go down to a $10 1.5mm restrictor to see if it would help, before i go the expensive route and tear the engine down to check for worn rings etc. Any ideas buddy? cheers
Hi mate, ive always been told to use a restrictor on the honda engines, they run at high oil pressure. I have destroyed the last Chinese turbo from using no restrictor. I have a - 12 line with huge 19mm drain plate. I went with 1.2mm restrictor. Only time will tell!
I'm not sure what size it is. It's not too uncommon to get a puff of smoke. If it's constantly smoking, different story. I'd check to make sure you have as straight of a shot, minimal bends in the drain, you have an adequate PCV system, the drain is going into the highest spot possible for the drain. I know Honda's make some high oil pressure, so a restrictor may be in order. Or like you mentioned, you could have excessive ring gap, but that would just show in excessive oil consumption.
I agree.
My k series has a 3582 and everything I've seen the only right size is .9mm for the restrictor
that was educational
Yeah you are right that inlet hole is tiny compared to other orifices in the system.
Very true.
JOHN WIIICK!.... Good to know.. Nice vid.. Yupp! Also most people don't realize that the large braided hoses on turbo return lines like larger than they really are and it's a. Goodnpractice to get them one size larger just to be sure.
Hahaha, thanks! You're right about that. The larger the better.
@@cmattdabrat HAHA nah man, u know what u doin! :)
What software or tools do you use to check for errors for 2009 cdx cars?
If you're just checking for errors. Any OBDII scan tool should work fine.
Turbonetics provided a restrictor with the journal bearing turbo I got from them. I have never removed it to see if there was also one inside of the cartridge also.
Nice! That's how it should be done. Some don't but Maxpeedingrods does.
I just purchased a gt3582r turbo what’s the feeding for feed line for that turbo?
Here is what I bought for my GT3582 th-cam.com/video/moMrla977GM/w-d-xo.html
Please I,want ask you what the turpo gt3076r restrktors need
Depends on the make. The maxpeeding turbo already has a restrictor built in. So you just feed it line pressure.
I've been getting clouds of whitish grey smoke huffing out on idle after turboing my mirage CE (never smoked before turbo swap)
Its a genuine garrett from an s13 with a custom manifold setup - any guesses as to what might be causing it
it doesnt smoke on boost, only when idling for a while sometimes when pulling up to a set of lights
bro can you please please do me a favor, I want to buy a china GT3582 turbo, I cannot get exact info about oil drain, can you measure and tell me the length between two holes center center, so I can buy the correct AN10 flange adapter
Definitely. I'll reach back and get you the sizes you need.
I don’t know if it help but the oil drain on the eBay gt3582 is the same size as the generic t3 oil feed. if you take a oil feed gasket from a t3 and put it up to the gt3582 it’s a perfect fit.
@@zackm6850 There's a couple different types, but between those two, they fit most T3 turbo types.
on my maxspeeding turbo it was something like 38mm iirc
Hes the Keanu Reeves of ebay turbos lol
I saw a video with a guy who had a smokey turbo. His video was about how he fixed it with a regulator. Later in video I saw the problem. His oil drain was too low in the oil pan.
The drain is a big one to consider. If the oil has no where to go it'll come out the turbo.
No journal bearing turbo needs a restrictor and interesting enough Garrett claims there ball bearing cartridges don't require a oil restrictor either. This info came straight from a Garrett technician I spoke too. Now either he was just pulling my chain or he hasn't a clue what he is talking about. If you would please look into this claim and post a video of your results. Thank you. Great video too my friend. I enjoyed the content.
Thanks Jim! I should have been more clear with my title. The turbos I have include a built in restrictor. So, they do need some restriction, but it's not a 1mm or smaller though. Ball bearing turbos need a restriction because you're really just lubing the bearing and keep it cool with the oil, vs journal bearing turbos acting more like a crankshaft journal.
@@cmattdabrat restrictors can be hit or miss on sizing so I went ahead and purchased the TurboSmart OPR for my bearing turbo. Another product that gets little mention on youtube. I have yet to install it on my build. The physical quality of the OPR is outstanding.
@@jimhiscott2918 Wise move, and I agree. Thanks for the feedback Jim.
@@cmattdabrat I'm the 55 year old guy with terminal cancer you may or may not have heard of building the last build I will have enough life in me to do. Check my channel if you like. I have horrible videos but I try. It all started for me in south Cali. My first build was in 1983. A 1972 Datsun 510. Been messing with sport compacts for 3 decade's now and let me say I have made my fare share of mistakes. I don't make to many mistakes anymore because I believe I have done them all at least once 😆 🤣 😂. I really enjoy your videos. You have a great personality and presentation. You give quality advice. Looking forward to many more videos on your channel. I absolutely subscribed 👍 I hope you have a great day my friend. Be seeing you soon. You take care.....Jim
what about the oil inlet fitting
I'll do a video on it.
Well I had tried it for myself I put a 3/4” drain and full flow oil and it happens start blowing out oil it does need a restrictor .
Where is the oil coming from? And it's a journal bearing turbo?
@@cmattdabrat I think the pressure is too much because the drain is free flowing it’s 60 psi.
@@cmattdabrat yes it’s journal bearings.
Yea this is what I was thinking when researching turbo feed and return hose sizing for journal vs ball and cheap turbos LOL
Glad to see it has worked out for you. Can't wait to slap mine on.
LOL! Sounds like you got your ducks in a row. Let me know how it works out for you or if you have any questions.
Как же я ждал новое видео. Hello from Russia!
Howdy from Texas!!
Друже я не понял нужен рестриктор или нет и почему когда подняли масляный шланг потекло масло, это китайская турбина ?
He looks like keanu reeves san the way he talks. Lol
LOL, thanks! Maybe Keanu Reeves will show up to help one day.
What if your journal bearing doesn't have a built I'm restrictor...mine doesn't
Look for a feed line fitting that has the proper size restrictor for journal bearing turbos. Look for something with a .080 or .060 restrictor.
I didn't understand whether the restriction is needed or not ?
If you look in the oiling hole, where you bolt on your feed, there should be a restrictor built in. Journal bearing turbos do not need additional restriction. The tiny restrictors are for ball bearing turbos. Journal bearing turbos are just like your crankshaft and rods, they float on a layer of oil.
your not taking into effect the compressor side is actually under vacuum when the engine under idle and partial throttle so in effect with no seal like you said it WILL leak into the charge pipe from engine vacuum with NO seal because it in effect is sucking the oil through where the seal would be
Good point.
My cxracing turbo immediately told me i shouldve put a restrictor. Fire. I didn't pay 250 more for a ball bearing unit either it was an ebay journal bearing cx racing turbo from 2010. No internal restrictor. So i went back to turbonetics which came with their specific restrictor.
Not ragging on cx racing im just saying look down your turbo oil feed port and see if their is a restrictor in it
@@ChutneyInc. Definitely check for a stock restrictor. They do need restriction, just not as much as a ball bearing. Ball bearing turbos just need lube and not actually pressure to float the bearings like on a journal style turbo. I'm sure you'll get it sorted. I'm not that familiar with CX's stuff.
@@cmattdabrat i build gear boxes at work. The journal bearings are more crucially oiled than the ball bearings but we thro oil on everything from factory before shipping out. So none of our units fail prematurely. Which makes me thing all bearings on my personally owned cars deserve the same treatment lol
@@cmattdabrat im sure cxracings products have imoroved drastically. Their turbos actually look a little different their logo is actually engraved in their compressor housings. Which makes me hope they spent the same money on r&d and QA
I think I like the old intro music better.
Thanks for the feedback. I think I'm going to switch back.
Why would you wanna restrict the oil?
Ball bearing turbos don't need as much. Just enough to lube it. Journal turbos are like the crankshaft of your engine, they need to float on a pressurized layer of oil.
@@cmattdabrat Cool I learned something today
Я не понял нужен рестриктор или нет ?
если у него нет встроенного, тогда да. Турбинам с подшипниками скольжения требуется больше масла, чем турбонагнетателям с шарикоподшипниками.
yesli u nego net vstroyennogo, togda da. Turbinam s podshipnikami skol'zheniya trebuyetsya bol'she masla, chem turbonagnetatelyam s sharikopodshipnikami.
Спасибо 🙏thanks bro, I have a bushing sr20det nissan avenir. There is a restrictor banjo bolt on the engine block.
Should have gave us an example of when a oil restriction is needed?????
Journal bearing turbos don't. Ball bearing turbos will need one. The manufacturer could recommend the size you'll need.
Turbonetics journal bearing comes with it. Just run the prescribed restrictor for your type of turbo
Your treating journal bearing turbo cartridges as a "all in one" this isn't correct. What your saying about the gt35 specifically IS correct if your Making
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@@cmattdabrat 👊 hell yes sw side here man, keep up the great work. I watched all of the lil cruze videos.. good stuff.
@@songokou28 sweet, once it’s finished you’re more than welcome to peep it.
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Thank you!
So watch the other guys video 🙄
Huh?
@@cmattdabrat just messing with you. the other guy with all the info on the videos you used. Or is that you also?
@@josephbenson3757 I was as well. Initially, I had no idea what you were talking about, lol, but that's not me. However, just trying to share probably what is the best information, on a low view video.
@@cmattdabrat I shouldn't have said anything. Not like I'm making content lol.