5 Ways To Unlock The Memory Palace Secrets In The Memory Improvement Books Of Giordano Bruno

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  • Giordano Bruno wrote several useful memory improvement books.
    But they can be puzzling, especially since he talked about the Memory Palace technique in different ways.
    For example, he released the "Mind Palace" from the so-called method of loci in a few different ways by using seals and other kinds of association.
    For more on these matters, please check out all the videos in our Art of Memory playlist on this channel:
    • The Art of Memory: Gio...
    I used to struggle to understand a lot of what Bruno was talking about, but then I started to try using techniques he favored, such as ars combinatoria or the art of combination.
    It is truly powerful and the more I read Bruno's Memory Palace books, the more my practice improves.
    I don't know exactly where you should start with Giordano Bruno's memory training material, but On the Shadows of the Ideas is possibly not ideal.
    I hope the suggestions and memory resources I give in this video give you some direction - and if you're already clear on Bruno, please help others by diving into the discussion.
    That gives all of us more clarity and is exactly what I believe Bruno would have use aspire to. After all, memory training isn't about us as individuals (in his pantheism, there really are no individuals as such). We improve our memory to help others because that is the right thing to do.
    For a full review of The Hermetic Art of Memory that deepens this admittedly philosophical point, please see:
    • The Hermetic Art of Me...
    It is yet another excellent memory improvement book to add to your collection.
    For the vision statement training, please see:
    • How to Improve Memory ...
    Thanks as ever for the view and please let me know what you'd like to see covered next on this channel.
    Sincerely,
    Dr. Anthony "Always Reading Memory Books" Metivier
    P.S....
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  • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
    @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Are you reading the Memory Palace training books of Giordano Bruno? If so, check out Ars Combinatoria or The Art of Combination next:
    th-cam.com/video/0cYDmaBXvJg/w-d-xo.html

    • @hapaxia
      @hapaxia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      First! (Just saying that 'cuz I know it bugs you...)

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      LOL... not when it's self-reflexive. ;)

    • @hapaxia
      @hapaxia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnthonyMetivierMMM Please do something about that topic.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I probably should. What specifically do you want to know about it? There's certainly Bruno's take on the "infinite" character of the alphabet, but that's not necessarily self-reflexive.

    • @borislavpopov7042
      @borislavpopov7042 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sadly, this book is unavailable to me in my country.

  • @antoniocunha3912
    @antoniocunha3912 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've boughy Bruno's 30 Statues book and I will translate it for myself. Thanks a lot for your help again, and again and again.

  • @abdeldjouadi
    @abdeldjouadi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am enlightened by the phrase in which you said- do you read to understand or do you read to find portals to further understanding ?

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm so glad to hear you found this point enlightening. Thanks for letting me know.
      Have you read any of Bruno's memory books?
      Also, what have you been reading lately and what is your current memory practice like? :-)

  • @MartinFaulks
    @MartinFaulks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A fantastic video. I say that as someone who has memorised Bruno's shadows.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We will have to record a conversation about this memory project one of these days!

  • @erickaparicio6118
    @erickaparicio6118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm always glad to visit your channel and see more videos on memory palaces. It's continuing to become a larger passion of mine as it has been for you for all these years now. Not to mention it's tremendously useful for my medical school studies! Currently I'm staunchly interested in the idea of using the art of memory for personal development. You talked about your own WRAP memory wheel and I love that. However I'm also interested in the study of the mind (dreams, meditation, ideas from William James, and the neuro- and philosophical perspectives on this). Einstein's world-shattering ideas were largely in part through his highly vivid thought experiments and thinking of physics through imagery. Everyone also knows the story that Giordano Bruno had a dream that changed his views on the composition of the cosmos. Sometimes I have the itchy feeling that Bruno would have never had that dream had he not already trained himself for years to think so frequently with vivid imagery. I have a feeling that dreams and memory palaces have some connection if practiced regularly, because memory palaces insists upon creative associations. Have you any thoughts on this, and if so, what have been your reflections?

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Great post and yes to dreams and memory - one of the most powerful courses in the MMM Masterclass is on how to remember your dreams.
      I think you’re right that these revelations could not have come without practice. No one is free from the need to study and practice if they want to receive such mental experiences - this is what Bruno is urging us to do throughout his works. We fine tune the receptacle of the mind through study and practice.
      I’m glad your passion is growing. I think Giordano Bruno talked so much about light precisely because starting to experience something like “enlightenment” is the most likely outcome for the serious practitioner.
      Thanks so much for checking in and I look forward to your future posts soon! 🙏

  • @vinny_cheese2458
    @vinny_cheese2458 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some great tips here. Always great to get some reminders.. my favorites: “I read so that I might understand” brilliant; And memory techniques are like martial arts...need to take action. Great video Anthony!

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad that line stood out. I think it's one of the game changers for many out there who struggle - or at least it could be if they adopt the attitude.
      Thanks as always for your support and for your comments on some of these older videos in the back catalog. Always so great to hear from you!

    • @vinny_cheese2458
      @vinny_cheese2458 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnthonyMetivierMMM yes it’s definitely a mindset I can see myself adopting to help myself relax more. Absolutely! I enjoy going back to watch some of the videos I may have missed and always seem to pick up small bits of wisdom here and there 😄

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Relaxation is indeed the key - and often the biggest game changer.
      Let me know if you have any questions about achieving more of it. :-)

  • @charliewallace3969
    @charliewallace3969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lol, “...for those who have the time to complain...”
    Thanks for the helpful info, Anthony! Using your methods while studying for pilot written test

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That line might have to be repeated in future videos... ;-)
      Great about using memory techniques for the pilot test. We have a great pic of Roger Gilles in the cockpit after the MMM helped him here if you'd like some inspiration for the success to come:
      www.magneticmemorymethod.com/testimonials/

  • @bbbhaskar5083
    @bbbhaskar5083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you so much for sharing your experience, which can't be measured in term of money!! Thank you so much,
    From india🤗

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So nice of you to say so. I appreciate you taking a moment to comment.
      Have you read any of Bruno's memory books?

    • @bbbhaskar5083
      @bbbhaskar5083 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I'm reading 'the art of memory'

  • @russellschaeffler
    @russellschaeffler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just found your channel off a search I was doing on the roots of Pelmanism. I know very little aside from Bruno being executed by the Pope for his teachings and beliefs but didn't know those teachings were still being followed and of use in our modern society.
    I will spend more time with your content and find it fascinating, thanks.

    • @russellschaeffler
      @russellschaeffler 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just a side note about studying information that matters, I feel that I've been doing this over the last 13 years with studying price charts and patterns. At first through trial and error, then getting to the point of seeking guidance with a Mentor, and now with blending my experience from years of trial and error with that mentorship, I'm entering into an area of growth in my life. I fully support your views that the material must be engaging and relevant to your life in order for you to take it with the seriousness it needs for its development.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting about Pelmanism and thanks for stopping by.
      Yes, Bruno is of great use. More than ever!

  • @2bsirius
    @2bsirius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I did my graduate work on aspects of Giordano Bruno's writings. I would love to see a more expansive exploration of some of your points. I know you are likely familiar with the work of a wonderful Italian researcher, Lina Bolzoni. Specifically, you are likely familiar with her book _The Gallery of Memory._ She references some of Bruno's work, and she also cites Giulio Camillo's _L'Idea del Theatro (often translated as The Memory Theater.)_ I'm also curious to know if you are familiar with a project of Aby Warburg's _The Mnemosyne Atlas (Memory Atlas),_ which was Warburg's attempt to map the “afterlife of antiquity,” or how images of great symbolic, intellectual, and emotional power emerge in Western antiquity and then reappear and are reanimated in the art and cosmology of later times and places, from Alexandrian Greece to Weimar Germany.
    Another intriguing source for deciphering Bruno's esoterica is _Giordano Bruno and the Geometry of Language_ which is a brilliant published doctoral dissertation by Arielle Saiber.
    Sorry is this was TMI, but I have found this subject both intriguing and neglected within academic circles since I focused on it for some of my grad work.
    Thanks for your content....

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this and never TMI IMHO. In fact, I beg people every time to stop apologizing for proper communication in this world of snippetized and thereby meaning-stripped communications.
      I don't yet know Bolzoni or Saiber, but will have a look - thank you for the references. I refer to Warburg's Atlas here though:
      th-cam.com/video/k3GGcO5Cx3I/w-d-xo.html
      Is your own writing available? These resources you've mentioned and anything you've written will be helpful for expanding the project, especially in getting more clarity on how exactly Bruno might have used these techniques and for what.
      This is not always clear to me, though he does say that anyone who thinks enough about them will arrive at the same conclusions about their mechanics - which I think is true after nearly two decades of using and studying the techniques myself. Even so... there are certain aspects where more resources might bring more clarity for improving the practice and digging deeper into it.

    • @2bsirius
      @2bsirius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'm, in part, researching ways to incorporate Bruno's memory theories into a wider account of cultural memory. This comment section is not a great place to explain this, but it is hinted at in a synopsis of Warburg's Atlas:
      *More specifically, the Atlas would chart both the afterlife of the classical language of gestures in Renaissance art and beyond as well as the migration of Greek cosmological symbolism up through to the moment when Bruno and Kepler tried to reconcile the legacies of classical and astrological thought with the discoveries of early modern astronomy.*
      What Warburg was attempting would have been impossible until recently because such an ambitious project could only be attempted within the 21st century with the maturing of artificial intelligence technologies. Culture is the water we collective swim in, and it would take an AI "intelligence" to make true sense of the complex cultural process which led us to our present zeitgeist.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is very interesting, though I'm not sure Bruno would think there is any need for AI to figure this out. If you're paying attention to the present moment (see Seal of Seals), isn't that the water you're swimming in, along with the infinity of infinities that swims in you?

    • @2bsirius
      @2bsirius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnthonyMetivierMMM The truth is that Bruno was a creative genius, but he was also far too often a medievalist in his thought. In the 21st century it makes sense to remember that salient fact. For example, his work on the seals as sigils and his representations of them as thought structures are limited and constrained by his place within cultural history. Yes, Bruno combines for the first time both the retrospective art of memory and the prospective art of logic and judgment as he developed his sigils from the earlier work of Raymond Lull (or Llull and others.) These ideas of course can now be seen as primordial precursors for which AI has become a realized form.
      Truth is, we're just spinning our wheels on completely different methodological tracks, so I'll just say peace out, and thanks for your content.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To be locked into one's historical context and convention is the curse and blessing of reality and I doubt any of us escape that. That said, I'm not sure the thought structures that matter in Bruno are as limited as you're suggesting - certainly not the valuable ones. Bruno was tapped into the same "deep structure" of all philosophers who did any significant work.
      The only wheels I see spinning here are memory wheels, so sorry to read your "peace out," so I'll wish you "peace in" by way of return. Where else would peace be?

  • @yellownexusoftheworlds8646
    @yellownexusoftheworlds8646 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since Cognition Gu told it to my mind here are two considerations.
    First One:
    While true that making the palaces "Efficient" should be one of the milestones. WIth regards to Bruno (he just yelled at me, that i was lazy) what if he was going for MEMORY POWER by using emotional (kind of "Ritual Symbols"). It was a happy thought, kind of like saying, just to remember ONE letter with PASSION one may tweak a little bit.
    Second One:
    What if the power of memorability is a bi-product of the greater we are doing. Which is the action of creation in one of it's profound aspects. My happy thought is, anything a particular living human (or machine) creates, that human has partial responsability of it, and therefore, supports memory

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It could be that Bruno was going for memory power - and Bruno certainly points out in Seal of Seals that doing good as a thing in itself is best for better memory. Good call!

  • @hehehehe5250
    @hehehehe5250 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Anthony! I left a comment in another video, that you answered. My man, you got me in a tough spot now! I've added some books on memory/esoterism that I haven't before, but now for me to get these books, that will be a challenge! I live in Brazil, and the cheapest one was around $200 for me :')
    I guess I gotta be patient in this manner, and try to absorb the knowledge through your videos until then. I guess I'll call that priming 😁
    In any case, do you know any reference that assesses memory as an interpretation of signs, rather than merely ''images''? by that I mean using hands, language, even smell as mnemonic as well. I'm trying to work on an article that categorizes the consciousness imaginative experiences (memory palaces and techniques would be inside this whole realm)
    By categorizing I mean giving names and a full order on what is what. In neuroscience, there's a difficulty in giving imaginative process names because is so abstract and personal for each one, that is no wonder why it is so difficult. But well, I guess that's my mission and how I'm going to search for my masters+ in the upcoming years.
    I would like to know a way that we could work together.
    I've been planning my channel for the pasts months, going to engage it fully in the next weeks. I want to join that beautiful and so wise community of contemporary thinkers in the esoteric/memory/ aspects. Hope that one day I can call figures like you, Lynne Kelly, Tyson Yunkaporta as colleagues. Best regards, much love from Brazil!

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for this.
      No education worth having is cheap, so always expect to be an investor.
      This latest video might help make sure you always have the books you want:
      th-cam.com/video/YGp0AbNDF5Q/w-d-xo.html
      In terms of signs instead of images, I don't know what angle you're thinking about, but at some level, this is arbitrary. At another level, it might be key, so reading Bruno will be important and the field of Semiotics overall.
      I'm not sure that neuroscience finds that naming things is difficult because of individuality. I'd suggest not confusing the tribal practice of getting to be the one who names something with the fact that neuroscience can't yet find how the brain produces consciousness at all. There aren't nearly as many individual differences as people propose and there is tons of repetition of terms in every field due to poor literacy and tribalism over naming.
      In the great asynchronous web, we're already working together. The more the merrier!

  • @jonnyaliaj6734
    @jonnyaliaj6734 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well i read a lot of books about memory i know to remmeber very well the name of the people, I am also agree what you suggest about to learn the languages because i learn italian, speanish, english looking the movie in originale languages and with subtitles in a language that i know, the problem is the loci techniques, memory palace and Giordano Bruno is very difficult to understand.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, he's difficult, but with practice, both he and other writers like him can become quite lucid.

  • @bbbhaskar5083
    @bbbhaskar5083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anthony, please tell me how bruno's book can help me to be a great marketing and sale expert?
    I have read, unlimited memory (kevin horsly) the memory book ( harry laurance), Dominic O'brien 's book, now i am practicing this book all knowledge and practicing card memorising.. numbers and book's important topic..
    Should i go in depth for being my marketing and sales expert? With bruno?
    Or just practice only cavin horsly, harry lorance, Dominic o'brain??

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      These books are very useful at more advanced levels of your experience with memory techniques, though they can be fruitful even for beginners. It's impossible to really know who there are for at any given moment, but they are definitely for all people who take memory improvement seriously.
      You can definitely get a lot of out practicing the resources from the people you've mentioned. I would suggest picking just one and spending at least 90 days following their suggestions, rather than trying to mash all of them together at the same time. I can't say for sure, but I think most people would get more out of memory training that way.
      Does this response help you out?

  • @pallmall7385
    @pallmall7385 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You just said "read Bruno"? Nice.

  • @the.demarcation.problem
    @the.demarcation.problem 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey. I’m dying to become a good reader and to retain information but my adhd condition will not allow me to finish 1 paragraph without procrastinating. Is there hope for me or should I just except defeat I’m nearly 58yrs old now!

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sorry to hear you face this condition. It must be tough.
      Can you say more about what specifically is happening? Where do you read, when and on what kind of device?
      What was happening in your mind when you managed to write your post?

  • @MartinFaulks
    @MartinFaulks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is evidence that Bruno did indeed draw at least one of his own diagrams. I have held his sketches of the Ship from the Ash Wednesday Supper.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is very interesting - thanks for letting me know. I hope to see those sketches one day too. Are they in Rome?

    • @MartinFaulks
      @MartinFaulks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AnthonyMetivierMMM Amsterdam! We will plan a visit together!

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, so I wasn't completely blind while in Rome. ;)
      Yes, that would be great. I have a friend there you will definitely want to meet. Sadly, I've only seen the Amsterdam airport so far, but this friend in other locations that convince me the rest of the city must be grand.
      And to see you and G.B. there, all the better!

  • @gurigraphics
    @gurigraphics 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A sixth way to unlock the secrets:
    We can learn from "The Black Books" by Gustav Jung, in a practical way,
    the hermetic secrets that Bruno did not reveal in the books.
    Those books about "screenwriting" and "character characterization" can also provide insights to create more vivid images:
    An "image" becomes an "agent" when it also has "memory".
    It is not the warrior's sword that cuts.
    It is not the action of cutting that makes the warrior cut.
    It's your characterization: physical, mental, motivational what is the trigger logical-mathematical, natural and divine.
    Before inhabiting a "palace", the "agent" lived a past life in another "places" to acquire experiences and become what he is.
    That's why you know the many things that the "gods" are capable of doing.
    You are just not conscious of the "sigillos" that are already in your mind and that "characterized" a no-character.
    De distinctione imaginum et signorum.
    Imagines atque signa alia sunt sensibilium, alia intelligibilium; quaedam substantiarum, quaedam accidentium,
    quaedam magnitudinis, quaedam virtutis, quaedam numeri, actionis, passionis, potentiae, actus, cognitionis, appetitus,
    habitudinis seu relationis, dantis, accipientis, habentis loci, temporis, oppositionis, contrarietatis, intentionis dictionisque,
    et eorum quae ad isthaec reducuntur. Adde principiorum, mediorum, instrumentorum, differentiarum, concordantiae,
    comparationum secundum maius, minus, aequale, superius, inferius, consors. (De imaginum, signorum, et idearum compositione)
    A seventh way which is a rule:
    A system that uses "material places" (locis materialibus)... This is not Bruno's memory system
    Bruno does not use the image of the bedroom and kitchen from his house as "images of places" (locis)
    Bruno does not follow the tradition of Ad Herennium and Peter of Ravenna
    Bruno breaks with this tradition as he did with Aristotle and all the rest
    Some passages in which he boasts about his invention
    Free translation: Latin > Portuguese > English
    ---
    "Nobis autem cum datum est illam inuenisse, & perfecisse, nec locis materialibus (verificatis. s. per sensus exteriores)
    vltra non indiguimus, nec ordini locorum memorandorum ordinem adstrinximus: sed puro phantasiæ architecto innixi,
    ordini rerum memorandarum, locorum ordinem adligauimus." (Ars Memoriae)
    "When we were able to find and perfect (this art), we no longer need material locations verifiable through the outer senses,
    nor to bind the order of places to be remembered to a material order.
    Instead, supported only by an architecture of pure imagination,
    we bind the order of things to be remembered to the order of places".
    ---
    "Vnde nobis ita successisse presumimus, vt quidquid ab antiquoribus hac de re fuit consideratum,
    præceptum & ordinatum (quatenus per eorum scripta quæ ad nostras deuenere manus extat explicatum)
    non sit conueniens pars inuentionis nostræ, quæ est inuentio supra modum prægnans
    cui appropriatus est liber Clauis Magnæ" (Ars Memoriae)
    Therefore, we assume that we have succeeded to the point that everything that was considered,
    taught and ordered on this subject by the ancients (according to the explanations of the writings that have come down to us)
    is not adequate to our invention, which is an extraordinarily fruitful invention to which the book 'Clavis Magna' is appropriate."
    ---
    "Modum vnicum quo ad nostra vsque tempora vsi sunt antiqui prorsus contemnimus,
    quia laboriosus est multámque requirit exercitationem, nec certæ est ab omnibus assequutionis". (Umbris Idearum)
    We absolutely despise the only way the ancients used it in their time,
    because it is laborious and requires a lot of training, and is not certain of everyone's achievement.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🙏

    • @gurigraphics
      @gurigraphics 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@AnthonyMetivierMMM You know German, right? I remember I saw some phrases in German in one of your videos...
      Found this today:

      Geschichte Der Philosophie by Heinrich Ritter, 1850. Volume 9
      Chapter: Ausgang der Platonichen Schule in Italien
      0. Exit of the Platonic School in Italy (575p)
      1. Franciscus Patricius (576-595p)
      2. Giordano Bruno (595-652p)

      Franciscus Patricius as well as Bruno disagreed with Aristotle's philosophy of the "material world".
      A book by Patricius to understand the hermetics influences of the time:
      1. Zarathustra and its 320 Chaldean oracles
      esotericarchives version: Chaldaean Oracles of Zoroaster (ed. Westcott)
      Considered essential by Aleister Crowley and the Golden Dawn
      Google books:
      The Chaldaick Oracles of Zoroaster and His Followers. With the Expositions ...
      By Thomas Stanley, 1661
      Magia philosophica hoc est hoc est Francisci Patricii svmmi philosophi ...
      Franciscus Patricius, 1593
      The Chaldaean Oracles of Zoroaster
      Julianus (the Theurgist.), 1895

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I know German fairly well.
      Bruno's disagreement with Aristotle is a bit more nuanced. I have a book coming out on Bruno possibly by the end of this year that will get into it a bit.

    • @gurigraphics
      @gurigraphics 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "Bruno's disagreement with Aristotle is a bit more nuanced."
      It can be interpreted as subtle. But the implications of this hide a true "parallel universe". hehe
      In my opinion, Bruno Metaphysics requires, in addition to theory, spiritual experience, that Aristotelian rationalism/materialism and christianity influences, banished from the world.
      It's similar to the fact that memorization learning also requires practice.
      I am aware that almost nothing published about esotericism/occultism today (and not just in our time) is very reliable, because it has become a schizo-esotericism. And that Frances Yates' reflections on hermeticism and the art of memory are also quite shallow.
      However, in my country there are religions like Umbanda, from indigenous and African peoples, that preserve a practical spirituality, not just a theoretical one based on faith, which, for those who have had such experiences (like Jung's in the Black books - which I indicated above), makes it impossible for there not to be a "real spiritual reality".
      Another way to get closer to the same reality is to use logic:
      "Matter does not produce life. Only life produces life. The universe is alive. Matter producing life is the most sublime expression of ignorance".
      Hermetic principles can be considered according to the same principle: "Something not intelligent does not generate something intelligent. Matter producing intelligence It's an intelligence vacuum.
      "As above, so below; as below, so above"
      "The All is Mind; the Universe is Mental."
      Interesting also to highlight, that only in one of the last books that Bruno wrote, the Summa Terminorum Metaphysicorum (Summary of Metaphysical Terms), that he deepens those terms, that he only mentioned in that chapter "De distinctione imaginum et signorum" that I mentioned above.
      Interesting in the sense that, it was after he "ordering his mentality", with all those concepts, symbols and places of his art of memory - which was not just used to memorize, as he himself commented several times.
      And that! Hope this helps.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Logic can just as easily show that the universe is not alive. See Aphorism 109 in Nietzsche's The Gay Science.
      I'm not sure what difference you're trying to draw between nuance and subtlety, but a few things keep my emphasis on naunce:
      1. Bruno praises Aristotle's memory techniques, and naturally show. Much of what winds up in Llull's wheels are taken from Aristotle.
      2. Aristotle doesn't not dismiss the spiritual as much as you suggest. See The Nichomachean Ethics. There are at least 3 key ways what we now call "spiritual" are not only in evidence, but advised.
      Bruno's beef with Aristotle is founded on something Aristotle himself recognized as problematic, namely his knowledge that logic is inherently self-referential. The fact that Aristotle knowingly sweeps this under the rug in Metaphysics certainly deserves scrutiny. I wouldn't take it to the level of ire people like Bruno did, and Nietzsche does a good job in finding middle ground. See his comments on Bruno in Beyond Good and Evil, for example.
      The implications of what Bruno is talking about don't really allow for the "all is mental" line of thinking. There I think subtlety is in order. Stay tuned for my forthcoming book on Bruno for more details.

  • @martinarreguy2984
    @martinarreguy2984 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No, Sir, i am currently reading Anicius Boiethius, the man who Truth Incarnate came and visited in prison while awaiting death and totured in the meantime. But i shall, upon your recommendation

  • @mayanlogos92
    @mayanlogos92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So he is difficult to read... me myself i have a hard time trying to fully understand all that

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here's a lovely alternative take from Martin Faulks that just came out. It might bring more clarity for you so you can understand more as you read him:
      th-cam.com/video/2DBppiqcA5k/w-d-xo.html

  • @martinarreguy2984
    @martinarreguy2984 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Bruno was repletely indefinable to humans enslaved by their vices, false holy pretentious facades, slavishly protecting dogma with extreme violence to evoke fear. Bruno knew the real God, not the one imbued in a book or man made structure. All the church, science, and materialism have done civilization is separate us from nature and our selves. He was beautiful in mind and correct in his thoughts!

  • @borislavpopov7042
    @borislavpopov7042 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When reading Bruno, you are supposed to have the Metamorphosis idea in the head, I suppose.

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Borislav. Please say more. What Metamorphosis do you mean? Houdini's or Kafka's? Something else?

    • @borislavpopov7042
      @borislavpopov7042 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, mainly Bruno's. In "De la causa, principio et uno", you also pointed out that his works are from different times, for different people, could be us in previous 'forms'. I'm reading this, but in my language and latin text, not sure how everything is translated to English.
      I'm certain, something is a miss in the translations.A bit off, you know. Still, Ill read whatever available to me here. Some books I can't get my hands on, sadly..

  • @NickDorogavtsev
    @NickDorogavtsev 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    guilty! mea culpa! :-)

    • @AnthonyMetivierMMM
      @AnthonyMetivierMMM  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is an interesting post because "mea culpa" typically has only one response - one I won't give. Symbolic actions, even when ironic, remain symbolic, which I'm convinced Bruno would himself be quick to point out.
      Indeed, we see this in the court transcripts when he told the Inquisition that they feared the consequences of his "guilt" more than he did.