Which of these 3 mistakes has been holding you back when using mnemonic devices like the Memory Palace technique? Want more on Giordano Bruno and the Memory Palace technique? Watch Ars Combinatoria (art of combination) next: th-cam.com/video/0cYDmaBXvJg/w-d-xo.html
It's well worth reading, as are all the Giordano Bruno memory books. I'll have a video coming out soon with some suggestions on what to read and when... and perhaps more importantly... how.
Thank you for this video, Anthony! A few months ago I listened to a great podcast you did with with Scot Gosnell about Bruno's Song Of Circe. In that podcast, you talked about how certain objects within Bruno's palaces were kind of like wormholes in that they could trigger an association linking to another room, memory journey, or palace. I'm wondering if this wormhole idea is similar to the sign concept you're discussing here. It's very fascinating!
Thanks, Matthew, and thanks for listening to that episode. That's great. Yes, there is a wormhole effect that Bruno teaches. I find it happens naturally when memorizing certain kinds of material - and it happens when we're not using memory techniques as well. Ultimately, it's not 100% clear what Bruno means by "sign" and he has different terms that seem to be cross-purpose or overlap in different ways. But in the way I'm mentioning "sign" in this video, he really seems to mean what I'm criticizing him for. Of course, that might just be the way they thought at that time, and the leap might not have been so obvious to him - or not even possible given the relatively small amount of pop culture references that we have now. Again, I think he's just developing his teaching as he goes and possibly teaching others how to teach more than anything. I'd be interested if others get that vibe too after reading through a few Bruno books. Speaking of which, what are you reading lately? :-)
Good Day Anthony. This is a fabulous video! I have some thoughts on the points you raise. Would you like a video response outlining them or is text better?
I think a video response would be great if it would be useful and interesting to your audience. It would certainly help with bringing attention to Bruno too as we forge circles of new discussion about these works.
Enjoying all your content on Bruno and look forward to more. However I disagree with the points you make here about Bruno being incorrect. The things Bruno says here are very similar the way Carl Jung defines symbols, whom I agree with. "By a symbol I do not mean an allegory or a sign, but an image that describes in the best possible way the dimly discerned nature of the spirit. A symbol does not define or explain; it points beyond itself to a meaning that is darkly divined yet still beyond our grasp, and cannot be adequately expressed in the familiar words of our language." I believe Bruno might have been trying to differentiate between what is a sign and what is a symbol similar to how Jung did.
It’s possible, but ultimately Bruno can also be read as someone who converged on total non-duality. If Jung had today’s neuroscience, I suspect he’d revise the quote you’ve provided - even if he wouldn’t, we can. It’s dubious that there is any beyond, even in block time theory.
Hi. I've been using mnemonics for a few years now and couldn't really find anything thorough on memorizing abstract concepts in any of the books I've read or videos I've watched so far. The interesting thing is that memory experts cover everything from numbers to lists but never or very rarely and sparingly touch on memorizing abstract ideas where people are facing the most difficulty. Dear Anthony I'd be much obliged if you made a video explaining in length how to memorizing abstract concepts. Or if you've already made one, please give me a link to it.
Thank you for asking about this. I'm not confident that another video is the answer. This is because memory mastery eliminates the very notion of "abstract concept." Instead, you use the tools to dig into *any* information so you can make it concrete. If you take the free course on my site and complete it thoroughly, you should be able to do this. And there are endless examples out there that can help you out. But they will remain abstract to you if you don't have the tools. And once you have developed the tools and systems for yourself, examples will not be needed. How many Memory Palaces do you currently have and how many alphabetic lists of Magnetic Imagery? Getting those things established will do wonders for you when it comes to eliminating abstraction. Please do let me know.
Hi Anthony, sorry to bother you but I wondered if you would mind point me in the right direction for something, I'm currently trying to get into the memory world and I'm working in a supermarket filling shelfs while I do my studies, it's not a great job or anything but it serves a purpose and gives me the extra finances I require, I need to remember the things that I need to grab for the shelfs OR I need to write a list of what I need, I was thinking it might be a good memory exercise/practice to avoid writing lists and simply learn to remember what I need to grab from the stock, I'm struggling quite a lot with remembering more than a couple of items/how many of them I need..... especially when I get distracted by other things/people and forget my list, I was wondering if you might be able to recommend a good system/direction/video I could work on to nail down this kind of memory? you have so many videos I'm not quite sure where I should start. thanks a bunch if you reply ^^
Thanks for asking about this. The Memory Palace is almost certainly the best thing for this purpose. Start with this video here on TH-cam and follow up with the free course on my site for more details: th-cam.com/video/l5-YrZhudPU/w-d-xo.html After you complete the course, just about everything in this channel will be more useful for you. Does this link help you out? 🙏
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I've actually not read any of his books so looking forward to it. :) I have to ask, since you've also recommended the Hermetic Tradition, is there one that is "better" to start with or does it not really matter so long as both are read? I presume more or less back to back would be best. Thanks!
Reading Yates on the hermetic tradition is interesting, but I don't mean to have recommended it as something to buy into or believe. As I discussed in part one of The Art of Memory series, Yates is way off about Bruno and it's really not clear that any of what he's saying really belongs to hermeticism - though it is clear how people belonging to that school have tried to claim Bruno for their cause. The truth is that there is no perfect starting point and I'll be talking more about this in the next video on Bruno. If I was forced to pick one, I guess it would be The Seal of Seals, even though there is a long passage that is difficult to follow and sounds like it's saying something other than it is. It seems to be copying a bit from the Picatrix, which is a highly questionable text indeed. To look at this another way, I would think about your goal in reading about hermetic concerns. If it is historical, then reading several books will be key, and I again lay this out with some context in the next video. If you want to race ahead, Hilary Gatty's Giordano Bruno and Renaissance science is probably a lot better than Yates, but it's going to be better yet if you've read the two main Bruno books by Yates. Does this reply help you out?
Thank you Anthony for this analysis of Bruno! I haven't read his writings to be honest, however I got a good take from some pedant mistakes I can commit while learning and using memory to do so. What I appreciate the most is the reference to KAVE COGS for layering encoded information in stages. Looking forward to read The Case for Mental Imagery.
Glad you got to see this and caught the KAVE COGS tip. It's powerful for the practice. Any particular memory projects you're working on at the moment? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I am glad you asked! Memorizing Statistics formulas and Python code for some projects at work, and Slovak as usual. I can share that dual coding is a tactic that works for me to better grasp a new concept. However I find KAVE COGS a more powerful way to encode information permanently. For example, it is terrific for the study of non-verbal communication due to the fact I can use mimicry (Kinestehtic for how i see it). I can see it indeed how the memory encoded months ago comes up when I see some non-verbal clue (like when our CEO shares some unpleasant news). When I study Slovak language, at first I use Dual Coding, but during recall rehearsal I try to add more than visualization to what I am learning. I somehow find the use of the Emotional memory a good fit into it. I use Anki to test myself couple of times a week and I noticed how I can recall faster words and sentences that I encoded with more approaches. Those are also the ones I am able to use in conversation with my partner's family. (It truly made me confident to talk and they are astonished of the speed I am acquiring fluency, indeed.) I will start to experience it soon if can be effective the same with programming language. Do you have any recommendation or some video for that?
thanks, during my developement , I got stuck with a problem , eg, how can I imagine and memorize this ? : cervix cancer screening starts at age 21 , every 3 yrs until 29 y/o, then at age 30 screen with cotest for each 5 years until 65... there are many examples like this and I have no idea how to memorize then in memory palaces
Thanks for this - interesting content to memorize. You will want at least one Memory Palace Network. For words you'll want at least one Alphabet List. Since ages are involved, you'll want a number system like the Major System or an equivalent. To get an idea of how to use the Memory Palace technique, you really have to develop the tools. It's often hard for people to understand if they're not taking action. So if you want memory mastery, I suggest you dive in and start developing the tools so that you can learn to memorize this kind of info. Does this way of looking at it help you out?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM thank you so much for responding and caring sir, I actually used memory palace network and for numbers tried dominic system, but the problem is there are many more of these kind of information I must memorise, and there are conditional senteneces, if above 24 250 mg ceftriaxon , if below 24 penicilline , so on
My knowledge of Giordano Bruno came from Neil DeGrasse Tyson's "Cosmos", some articles, and a few online documentaries. He had some really fascinating ideas. I thoroughly enjoy the videos where you touch on this subject.
That's a great place to learn about Bruno. He was indeed a fascinating person. I've actually just finished the first draft of a book called The Infinite Memory Palace Technique of Giordano Bruno. There will be some editing yet to come, but I hope the Bruno fans out there will like it.
There are a few illustrations in it. But generally, it's important to follow the exercises mentally and illustrate them in the mind without too much guidance.
How can Bruno always be right? He so clearly espouses a philosophy beyond needing to be. A bolder statement: Perpetuating the idea that anyone knows or knew everything and "restricted" such knowledge means they were not worth holding in regard. Bruno seems to have been a very wise information theorist who understand the nature of knowledge well and makes frequent references to the foibles of those who do not treat information for what it is.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM im not sure...i though about the "thirty seals..." book, since you talked about it in a previous video. Could you recommend me a good order to read his books, sir?
I give some suggestions around the order to read his memory books in this video: th-cam.com/video/yyKD79f-x6U/w-d-xo.html Does that help give you some direction?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM @Anthony Metivier it was meant as a little bit of a joke is all and I am the first to comment besides yourself. I'm curious to what effect you think your response would have on me, a casual viewer. Is it positive? Will it make me more likely to subscribe? What benefits does it provide me or yourself?
Thanks for this feedback. It is interesting that you would even see this video if you're not a subscriber. Anyhow, I don't know whether it is positive or not, but you were not the first person to comment beside myself, and I don't know why you wouldn't have seen the other comment. If you do want to subscribe, you're very welcome.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM the first to make a comment that was not a response to yours. I think that is accurate enough, wouldn't you agree? I saw your video because I enjoy the art of memory and sometimes watch your videos. I generally like your content and was subscribed before. I unsubscribed because I find your videos contain too many references back to your MM website and I spent to much time skipping ahead untill you are back on point.
No, there was another comment I approved and responded to before yours. If the time stamps aren't enough, and you're not seeing them, that is yet another web mystery. There are no videos without references to my website. People who care about the memory tradition realize that and there is a strong point made about who memory techniques are really for at the end of this video. That is the main point and the one people in the MMM Family care about. Back to accuracy, if you were subscribed and then unsubscribed over something so fickle as someone making sure he can continue making free content for the world, is "casual viewer" really the right term? I don't know what term I would use, but again, you're very welcome in this community and I hope you'll perceive what the Art of Memory is really all about, or ask questions that can help you discover it.
Which of these 3 mistakes has been holding you back when using mnemonic devices like the Memory Palace technique?
Want more on Giordano Bruno and the Memory Palace technique? Watch Ars Combinatoria (art of combination) next: th-cam.com/video/0cYDmaBXvJg/w-d-xo.html
Now I have to this book again! Or is the other one better?
It's well worth reading, as are all the Giordano Bruno memory books.
I'll have a video coming out soon with some suggestions on what to read and when... and perhaps more importantly... how.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Pleaseeeeeee jajaja it would be a lot of help for us!
Thanks for letting me know.
Are you reading Bruno?
If so, what questions do you have about his books?
If not... why not? :-)
Loved the video! please do more on bruno! I am going to read shadows again
Thank you for this video, Anthony! A few months ago I listened to a great podcast you did with with Scot Gosnell about Bruno's Song Of Circe. In that podcast, you talked about how certain objects within Bruno's palaces were kind of like wormholes in that they could trigger an association linking to another room, memory journey, or palace. I'm wondering if this wormhole idea is similar to the sign concept you're discussing here. It's very fascinating!
Thanks, Matthew, and thanks for listening to that episode. That's great.
Yes, there is a wormhole effect that Bruno teaches. I find it happens naturally when memorizing certain kinds of material - and it happens when we're not using memory techniques as well.
Ultimately, it's not 100% clear what Bruno means by "sign" and he has different terms that seem to be cross-purpose or overlap in different ways. But in the way I'm mentioning "sign" in this video, he really seems to mean what I'm criticizing him for.
Of course, that might just be the way they thought at that time, and the leap might not have been so obvious to him - or not even possible given the relatively small amount of pop culture references that we have now.
Again, I think he's just developing his teaching as he goes and possibly teaching others how to teach more than anything. I'd be interested if others get that vibe too after reading through a few Bruno books.
Speaking of which, what are you reading lately? :-)
Good Day Anthony. This is a fabulous video! I have some thoughts on the points you raise. Would you like a video response outlining them or is text better?
I think a video response would be great if it would be useful and interesting to your audience. It would certainly help with bringing attention to Bruno too as we forge circles of new discussion about these works.
Great video i discover bruno's memory wheel .. this vidéo explain well thé Principles of this memory 's technique ...
Anthony, your critique is absolutely to the point regarding Bruno.
I, personally feel that Yates' book also errs in numerous ways.
Glad it makes sense to you.
Super interesting!
It’s fun to learn how this technology is still evolving. Thanks so very much!
🙏
Enjoying all your content on Bruno and look forward to more. However I disagree with the points you make here about Bruno being incorrect. The things Bruno says here are very similar the way Carl Jung defines symbols, whom I agree with.
"By a symbol I do not mean an allegory or a sign, but an image that describes in the best possible way the dimly discerned nature of the spirit. A symbol does not define or explain; it points beyond itself to a meaning that is darkly divined yet still beyond our grasp, and cannot be adequately expressed in the familiar words of our language."
I believe Bruno might have been trying to differentiate between what is a sign and what is a symbol similar to how Jung did.
It’s possible, but ultimately Bruno can also be read as someone who converged on total non-duality. If Jung had today’s neuroscience, I suspect he’d revise the quote you’ve provided - even if he wouldn’t, we can. It’s dubious that there is any beyond, even in block time theory.
Hi. I've been using mnemonics for a few years now and couldn't really find anything thorough on memorizing abstract concepts in any of the books I've read or videos I've watched so far. The interesting thing is that memory experts cover everything from numbers to lists but never or very rarely and sparingly touch on memorizing abstract ideas where people are facing the most difficulty. Dear Anthony I'd be much obliged if you made a video explaining in length how to memorizing abstract concepts. Or if you've already made one, please give me a link to it.
Thank you for asking about this.
I'm not confident that another video is the answer. This is because memory mastery eliminates the very notion of "abstract concept."
Instead, you use the tools to dig into *any* information so you can make it concrete.
If you take the free course on my site and complete it thoroughly, you should be able to do this.
And there are endless examples out there that can help you out. But they will remain abstract to you if you don't have the tools. And once you have developed the tools and systems for yourself, examples will not be needed.
How many Memory Palaces do you currently have and how many alphabetic lists of Magnetic Imagery? Getting those things established will do wonders for you when it comes to eliminating abstraction.
Please do let me know.
Hi Anthony, sorry to bother you but I wondered if you would mind point me in the right direction for something, I'm currently trying to get into the memory world and I'm working in a supermarket filling shelfs while I do my studies, it's not a great job or anything but it serves a purpose and gives me the extra finances I require, I need to remember the things that I need to grab for the shelfs OR I need to write a list of what I need, I was thinking it might be a good memory exercise/practice to avoid writing lists and simply learn to remember what I need to grab from the stock, I'm struggling quite a lot with remembering more than a couple of items/how many of them I need..... especially when I get distracted by other things/people and forget my list, I was wondering if you might be able to recommend a good system/direction/video I could work on to nail down this kind of memory? you have so many videos I'm not quite sure where I should start. thanks a bunch if you reply ^^
Thanks for asking about this.
The Memory Palace is almost certainly the best thing for this purpose.
Start with this video here on TH-cam and follow up with the free course on my site for more details:
th-cam.com/video/l5-YrZhudPU/w-d-xo.html
After you complete the course, just about everything in this channel will be more useful for you.
Does this link help you out? 🙏
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you very much for your response Anthony I will give that a go :)
Awesome! Enjoy the journey! :-)
Great video (as usual!) and I'm certainly going to have to look into this book when I get a chance.
Hope you enjoy reading it. It's so much fun, especially in the context of his other memory books.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I've actually not read any of his books so looking forward to it. :)
I have to ask, since you've also recommended the Hermetic Tradition, is there one that is "better" to start with or does it not really matter so long as both are read? I presume more or less back to back would be best.
Thanks!
Reading Yates on the hermetic tradition is interesting, but I don't mean to have recommended it as something to buy into or believe. As I discussed in part one of The Art of Memory series, Yates is way off about Bruno and it's really not clear that any of what he's saying really belongs to hermeticism - though it is clear how people belonging to that school have tried to claim Bruno for their cause.
The truth is that there is no perfect starting point and I'll be talking more about this in the next video on Bruno. If I was forced to pick one, I guess it would be The Seal of Seals, even though there is a long passage that is difficult to follow and sounds like it's saying something other than it is. It seems to be copying a bit from the Picatrix, which is a highly questionable text indeed.
To look at this another way, I would think about your goal in reading about hermetic concerns. If it is historical, then reading several books will be key, and I again lay this out with some context in the next video. If you want to race ahead, Hilary Gatty's Giordano Bruno and Renaissance science is probably a lot better than Yates, but it's going to be better yet if you've read the two main Bruno books by Yates.
Does this reply help you out?
Thank you Anthony for this analysis of Bruno! I haven't read his writings to be honest, however I got a good take from some pedant mistakes I can commit while learning and using memory to do so. What I appreciate the most is the reference to KAVE COGS for layering encoded information in stages. Looking forward to read The Case for Mental Imagery.
Glad you got to see this and caught the KAVE COGS tip. It's powerful for the practice.
Any particular memory projects you're working on at the moment? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I am glad you asked! Memorizing Statistics formulas and Python code for some projects at work, and Slovak as usual.
I can share that dual coding is a tactic that works for me to better grasp a new concept. However I find KAVE COGS a more powerful way to encode information permanently. For example, it is terrific for the study of non-verbal communication due to the fact I can use mimicry (Kinestehtic for how i see it). I can see it indeed how the memory encoded months ago comes up when I see some non-verbal clue (like when our CEO shares some unpleasant news).
When I study Slovak language, at first I use Dual Coding, but during recall rehearsal I try to add more than visualization to what I am learning. I somehow find the use of the Emotional memory a good fit into it. I use Anki to test myself couple of times a week and I noticed how I can recall faster words and sentences that I encoded with more approaches. Those are also the ones I am able to use in conversation with my partner's family. (It truly made me confident to talk and they are astonished of the speed I am acquiring fluency, indeed.)
I will start to experience it soon if can be effective the same with programming language. Do you have any recommendation or some video for that?
Thanks for this.
If you have all the main memory systems in play, it's pretty easy to see how you can apply them to learning programming faster.
Gracias nuevamente.
De nada! :)
thanks, during my developement , I got stuck with a problem , eg, how can I imagine and memorize this ? :
cervix cancer screening starts at age 21 , every 3 yrs until 29 y/o, then at age 30 screen with cotest for each 5 years until 65...
there are many examples like this and I have no idea how to memorize then in memory palaces
Thanks for this - interesting content to memorize.
You will want at least one Memory Palace Network.
For words you'll want at least one Alphabet List.
Since ages are involved, you'll want a number system like the Major System or an equivalent.
To get an idea of how to use the Memory Palace technique, you really have to develop the tools. It's often hard for people to understand if they're not taking action. So if you want memory mastery, I suggest you dive in and start developing the tools so that you can learn to memorize this kind of info.
Does this way of looking at it help you out?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM thank you so much for responding and caring sir, I actually used memory palace network and for numbers tried dominic system, but the problem is there are many more of these kind of information I must memorise, and there are conditional senteneces, if above 24 250 mg ceftriaxon , if below 24 penicilline , so on
Problem?
No, all of that information is the solution. Use it to practice your memory systems so you can rise to the challenge. It is that simple.
My knowledge of Giordano Bruno came from Neil DeGrasse Tyson's "Cosmos", some articles, and a few online documentaries. He had some really fascinating ideas. I thoroughly enjoy the videos where you touch on this subject.
That's a great place to learn about Bruno. He was indeed a fascinating person.
I've actually just finished the first draft of a book called The Infinite Memory Palace Technique of Giordano Bruno. There will be some editing yet to come, but I hope the Bruno fans out there will like it.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Your book sounds like it will be wonderful. Will it have any illustrations?
There are a few illustrations in it. But generally, it's important to follow the exercises mentally and illustrate them in the mind without too much guidance.
Do u use this technique in daily life?
Absolutely. I cannot think of a single day that I haven't for the past 20 years.
You?
Bold statement...
Bruno is always right, we might not know if he wanted everyone to know everything...
How can Bruno always be right? He so clearly espouses a philosophy beyond needing to be.
A bolder statement:
Perpetuating the idea that anyone knows or knew everything and "restricted" such knowledge means they were not worth holding in regard. Bruno seems to have been a very wise information theorist who understand the nature of knowledge well and makes frequent references to the foibles of those who do not treat information for what it is.
Capito.
:-)
Great video!
Thanks for checking it out!
Are you reading much Bruno lately?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM actually i had never heard of him before watching this video. Right now i will buy one of his books to check it out!
That's great news! Which do you think you'll order and read first?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM im not sure...i though about the "thirty seals..." book, since you talked about it in a previous video.
Could you recommend me a good order to read his books, sir?
I give some suggestions around the order to read his memory books in this video:
th-cam.com/video/yyKD79f-x6U/w-d-xo.html
Does that help give you some direction?
I'm in the second or third place :)
It doesn't look that way, and I'm curious: What does such a comment help establish even if it were the case?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM @Anthony Metivier it was meant as a little bit of a joke is all and I am the first to comment besides yourself.
I'm curious to what effect you think your response would have on me, a casual viewer. Is it positive? Will it make me more likely to subscribe? What benefits does it provide me or yourself?
Thanks for this feedback.
It is interesting that you would even see this video if you're not a subscriber.
Anyhow, I don't know whether it is positive or not, but you were not the first person to comment beside myself, and I don't know why you wouldn't have seen the other comment.
If you do want to subscribe, you're very welcome.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM the first to make a comment that was not a response to yours. I think that is accurate enough, wouldn't you agree?
I saw your video because I enjoy the art of memory and sometimes watch your videos. I generally like your content and was subscribed before. I unsubscribed because I find your videos contain too many references back to your MM website and I spent to much time skipping ahead untill you are back on point.
No, there was another comment I approved and responded to before yours. If the time stamps aren't enough, and you're not seeing them, that is yet another web mystery.
There are no videos without references to my website. People who care about the memory tradition realize that and there is a strong point made about who memory techniques are really for at the end of this video. That is the main point and the one people in the MMM Family care about.
Back to accuracy, if you were subscribed and then unsubscribed over something so fickle as someone making sure he can continue making free content for the world, is "casual viewer" really the right term?
I don't know what term I would use, but again, you're very welcome in this community and I hope you'll perceive what the Art of Memory is really all about, or ask questions that can help you discover it.