The Memory Palace of Giordano Bruno: Ars Combinatoria or The Art of Combination
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- Giordano Bruno devices over 30 different kinds of Memory Palace. Ars Combinatoria is just one, and it is very powerful.
Sometimes called The Combinator, this memory wheel is a mixture Memory Palace of his "seals" called The Field and The Tree.
Seals are something we'll explain later in The New Art of Memory Playlist. If you're new here and need to catch up, you can start the series here:
• The Art of Memory: Gio...
To read the original text yourself, here's the Amazon link for Thirty Seals and The Seal of Seals, prepared in translation by Scott Gosnell:
www.amazon.com/Thirty-Seals-G...
Let me know in the comments if you give this "Decision Memory Palace" a try. Obviously, you will want to meet the "requirements" Giordano Bruno has in mind before the real results start kicking in, but I believe using these techniques can itself help get you there.
Who was Giordano Bruno and what is a Memory Palace?
Although you may have heard that he is a hermetic wizard and whatnot from Frances Yates, it is not clear that this was the case. I throw some nuance on the topic in this analysis of her book, The Art of Memory:
• The Art of Memory: Fra...
My thesis is that Bruno was simply a very good master of the Memory Palace technique and quite likely someone who experienced what we sometimes call "enlightenment."
If this is the case, the feelings he described as being achievable by anyone likely arrived because he trained his procedural memory through extensive memory practice and use of the method of loci.
He also used his memory to work on topics like math, physics and philosophy and seems to have started quite young. He lived from 1548 to 1600 when he was burned at the stake.
This is a sad outcome, but fortunately many of his memory improvement books survived. We are very blessed to have them and I look forward to diving deeper into more of them in future videos.
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Talk soon! :-)
I want to try this!
Please do and keep us posted on your progress! :-)
anthony, in sea of seals i remember you told you can find text about doing hard taskk and related this.which chapter and part is exactly writer saying theese?
sincerly my students had some comment in blog hope see you back
Thank you, very much for the valueable lesson
I'm pretty sure I read that 'Einstein' quote in something by Kurt Vonnegut
12:19 rooms for memories. halls for thoughts. body needs attention too
15:11 words only point to essence of meaning in a specific context
18:37 build your own memory wheel WRAP
Thanks 🎉I love this video I am a noob
This is a fantastic video! I tend to view Bruno's practices in a more Neo-platonic way and thus I was interested by your interpretation of "contractions" and your very good application example.
More to say on the contractions, to be sure. All of these appear in Vedanta, Tantra, Buddhism, etc. so it’s interesting how they appear in Bruno.
Light or the realm of Ideas concept appears to be quite universal too, and more on that anon. I feel that if Bruno were here and had access to our brain scans, such notions would resolve into a Realist form of immanence or pure becoming, rather than a Platonism.
Plus, his infinity concept suggests an increasingly structured universe, rather than an entropic one, which the discovery of each new decimal between 1 and 2 already lends credence too... so long as human brains still insist on discovering things. One can hope... 🤓
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That's good to know!
Any specific aspect you'd like to see covered next? (Or in the future?) Please advise and I"ll do my best to make it happen. :-)
I have been waiting for this for years now. Try to do it my self but failed lol
I thank thee for such a marvellous video.
My pleasure. Thank for checking it out! 🙏
Thank you for this 🙏.
You are so welcome. Have you ever tried to use one of these memory wheels before?
Hey Anthony just rewatching this video again. I know I commented on it before. I've learned a lot in the past 8 months about how you talk about being specific with your bridging figures. For example, the number 12 you use Tin Tin. For your major method number. I use tin for the number 12 also. But before I started listening to your videos I just had a vague sense of a piece of tin. But now I use a specific piece of tin that was Stamped Out by an aluminum stamping company in Columbus Ohio. I can really see how being super specific about an exact piece of tin changes the dynamics. That company in Columbus stamp out aluminum soda can. I use to clean their drying ovens after they stamp the specific content label on the can. --------- I also plan on signing up for your other platform very soon. I was going to wait till after I had my degree to do that so I would not get distracted. But I think I'm going to change my mind because your content is simply too powerful to stay away from.
Thanks for doubling-down on the comments, John. Always great to hear from you.
Yes, taking something as simple as an actual tin that has some experiential value is the key. And it's possible for every combination if people take the time to think it through - that time being valuable memory exercise that sharpens the brain for more.
Keep up the great exploration of these techniques - many more rewards will follow. And thanks as always for your support and interest in this particular perspective on the ancient teachings. It's people like yourself who make it all "Magnetic." :-)
Thank you for this. I have not used a memory wheel yet, but I do plan to make one soon. It seems too useful to not have one. It's like a keyring that opens many doors that lead to rooms with more key rings...this is going to make my memory palace network easily accessible!
Look forward to news of how you develop and use yours! 🙏
i've been waiting for this video since I subscribed to your channel (actually, i've found while researching about Giordano Bruno's memory techniques)
Thanks for letting me know. Did it help you out or otherwise meet your expectations?
What would you like to see covered next?
Thanks for being a subscriber and I look forward to your future posts as time and memory allow.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I am very interested in learning more about the seals and how to use them with the memory wheel
That's great to know.
I'm not sure that all the seals are used in conjunction with a Memory Wheel.
What kinds of information do you need to memorize?
This is life changing thank you Anthony!
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thanks, been waiting for this
Hope you enjoyed it! Did it meet your expectations? Will you develop a Memory Wheel?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I imagined it completely different but its really good anyway have to try it for my own stuff to see how it works
It is different than it seems, yes. But there are many other ways to use it. Keep exploring and experimenting.
Love the material. I have been waiting for this for awhile thank u dr Metivier
My pleasure! 🙏
I bought the 30 seals I'm looking forward to reading it
Very cool - I look forward to hearing how you find it.
Do you have any other Bruno books? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I have seals and shadows and the art of memory
That's fantastic!
Does this follow-up video help you get more out of them? Just released today:
th-cam.com/video/yyKD79f-x6U/w-d-xo.html
I am going to start reading Art of Memory tomorrow. This topic fascinates me.
Can't wait to hear what you think about it. Hopefully we can do some live discussions about it in the future. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I skimmed it once. My eyes rolled and eyelids closed down because the material was so dense lol...tomorrow deep reading of it for at least an hour.
It's interesting because I can see how it comes across as dense. I wonder if it's probably a matter of time spent with the material and styles of that era because I found her to be incredibly lucid.
However, she's also incredibly wrong about Bruno being hermetic. So no matter how clear or dense she might be, that aspect of her analysi can be safely ignored.
Happy reading! :-)
I'd love to see more examples and to learn more about it...thank you for the great background context, explanations and examples....the graphics are very useful too....
More to come! I'm working on a script showing how Bruno may have used it for language learning. :-)
That’s great. I’m also interested in the use for the inquiry process. I think it’s an incredible tool for teachers interested in teaching students how to think critically.
Yes, it can certainly work that way. The trick is in building it for the desired outcomes, which will always be personal.
This is one reason why Bruno can be so difficult to understand. He gives plenty of examples, but they're difficult to track because both the information and how he memorized it are completely personal.
In general, this is a sticking point with teaching memory techniques at large. The learner has to be involved in the process. It's much like a martial art, which provides almost zero use value to the spectator beyond entertainment. You have to get your body in the dojo - or in this case, your mind.
Then, all things quickly become clear and the rest is merely study and practice. :-)
Have you considered using timestamps? Could help people add more "stations" to better memorize the principles & practices of your videos. I positively appreciate it when content creators go out of their way to do this.
I have and sometimes have used them.
However, skipping around violates a few of the current principles I'm holding to as an online "instructor" rather than a content "creator".
One of the most important principles is that although content might be king, context is god.
In any case, if people want to volunteer the time to create them, I'll consider adding them to individual videos.
Until then, I'd love to hear more about the outcomes you get from skipping around videos. Appreciation of this feature does not necessarily mean that you've gotten a measurable outcome.
I'd predict that measurable outcomes come from time spent taking detailed notes a lot sooner than clicking around timestamps.
But I'm eager to be convinced based on some carefully detailed benchmarks you or anyone else can offer.
Your thoughts?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks for the thoughtful response. You've made a strong delineation between focusing on student learning objectives as an online instructor, rather than just a content creator. I appreciate your efficacy for the bottom-line --helping people focus on engaging with the material via staying present with the context. You've made a strong case that Timestamps could act as a distraction from that. A good moment to pause and catch myself from being in "gathering mode," with online learning videos. As you said, "Content is king, but Context is God," I'm definitely adding this to my repertoire. Keep sticking to your principles, that's highly honorable 🙌🙌🙏
Thanks, Jake.
The only thing to add is that I could be wrong. Keep thinking about the issue, and above all, test my hypothesis in your own practice over time.
I'll look forward to any updates you care to share as you do. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM love this. It reminds me of an adage I learned from a mentor on wisdom and that is while I know a lot about a lot of things, I ultimately know nothing.
Thank you!
Thanks for checking it out.
Have you tried one of these memory wheels before?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Honestly I learnt about it's existence because of this video
I hope you'll give it a try. I'll be showing how it can be used in a few different ways soon. Please stay tuned.
In the meantime, here's another exercise you might want to try:
th-cam.com/video/uJbRKxDEHJE/w-d-xo.html
It should give your mind a good stretch. :-)
Thank you Anthony this is so interesting.
Thanks for checking it out!
Have you tried a memory wheel like this before?
You're welcome@@AnthonyMetivierMMM. N
o not yet. I still have many things to learn.
Dive in and enjoy. Many rewards will flow, especially as new systems are developed and practice. They interlock nicely and one tends to compound the strength of the other.
An excellent introduction to memory wheel technique from ars combinatoria. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! Do you think you'll put one (or more) into action? :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'd like to hopefully the follow up videos will help with percolation of concepts to assist in putting it into practice. Thanks again
Thanks for this, John.
Generally, percolation involves three things:
1. Memorizing the concepts
2. Revisiting them from within memory and connecting them with other concepts
3. Summarizing and extending with writing
4. Fortifying with further memorizing, reading and writing
Depending on the concepts and your goals, it's unlikely much significant percolation will take place.
Does this way of looking at it help you out more immediately than waiting for a video? What concepts are you currently hoping to percolate?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks for the clarification Anthony, much appreciated. I see I have a way to go to get to that stage. My goal is to get the concepts memorised so that they are part of my daily memory practice and routine. :-)
In this case, I can only suggest laying them out in Memory Palaces and using the patterns to get them into long term memory.
Are you stuck on any particular concepts? If so, I would suggest refreshing your exercises using the Exercise page in the MMM Masterclass. I revisit it myself fairly often (usually 2-3x a year). It's really great for making sure there are enough vivid associations on hand for when you need them.
Do these suggestions seem useful to you? :-)
Congrats on 40,000 subs
Thank you so much 😀 Couldn't have done it without you!
I'm From Sri Lanka.. I find all your videos very useful.. I wanted to learn more about memory palaces after reading the book 'moonwalking with Einstein ' thank you so much for sharing these with us 😍😊
Glad to hear that!
What kinds of info do you want to remember better?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I'm a second year medical student. I was looking for a way to retain all the information in a creative and effective way.
Fantastic - modern memory techniques have become highly refined for that. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM thank you so much sir 😊😍
Enlightening
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Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it - thanks for checking it out! :-)
Thank you for this. Liked and subscribed
Glad you found it!
Have you been interested in these eras of the memory tradition for awhile?
Impressive!
Thanks for checking it out.
Do you think you’ll give a memory wheel like this a try?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Yep. I have always thought about the wheel as a POW system but this video opens up to many others options. It would be very interesting watching more videos about the seals and the wheels. Great job!
Sounds good. What is a POW system? :-)
We want more!
Thanks, Jonathan.
Any other parts of The Art of Memory (older stuff) that you want to see covered next?
Super fun!
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You have such good communication skills.
Thanks so much for that. Even if this is true, what's one thing you see that I could do to improve?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I think you would be really strong talking to high school students. I really like the concept of word mapping because I think somebody that is not familiar with building memory palaces can jump right in. (That is to say use the techniques immediately. ) I really like that system, of the first letter of every word being a person or location, the second letter of any word is always a color, and the third letter is always an automobile. For example, if I were to use your name Anthony, I would say Anthony's Navajo Tesla. Those are the first three letters of your name obviously. And in this way you could share with high school students that the color Navajo would remind them that Anthony has long hair and the car Tesla would let them know that Anthony memory technique are at The Cutting Edge of Technology as a relates to memory teaching. Just as the Tesla Auto mobile is being built with cutting-edge technology. The thing with memorization sometimes all you need is a small little nugget and the inertia will carry you along to the other information. That's why when I take classes at Cleveland State people think I'm clairvoyant it's because of word mapping. But getting back to your question, I'm assuming you mean bring more traffic to your TH-cam channel --- I would get a female on board with you. People like females. Even if you could have her chime in from time to time while you're doing your videos I think would bring more traffic to your channel. But please don't ask Diane Sawyer to help you because I want her for myself. Wink. I thought about asking her on a date and getting in touch with her publicist, but I decided not to because my income is not high enough right now. Another technique that I recently thought of was to use American sign language for the first and last letter of any word. Obviously using the left hand for the first letter and the right hand for the last letter and whatever character I came up with I would just turn those symbols into a monster or animal. [ or God knows what. ] And create a story within that, to give me the definition of the word / information I was trying to remember. I know I told you the second part before using Gregg shorthand, I will often just shorthand word completely out and create a story around that. See the thing is if you're selling to parents and you're trying to get them to buy a product for their child they have to see results immediately, if they're going to spend money. Know that if you lived in the United States I would certainly team up with you and go visit some local high schools where we could give a talk on stage. You are good enough where you could be a metaphorical Jordan Peterson of memory --------- show and take you knowledge on the road. But you'd have to simplify your teachings somewhat so the average Joe or Jane could comprehend it. And would be willing to spend money to hear your talk. I feel that's where word mapping comes in because people are able to grab that so simply because they're familiar with the alphabet. [ let's just take that word alphabet for example, ] Ann's lemon Pinto. Because a pinto is a small car that would let an individual know that letter (s) of an alphabet is a small character. And consequently they would get that question right on a multiple choice exam. That's what parents want to hear and that's what will make them spend money on their children. To acquire the product / knowledge you are selling.
Thanks for this.
Having a cohost would be amazing. I would rather have others visit schools as representatives than go myself, something that would scale a lot better. But ultimately I do not think the students need the teaching. It's the teachers who need these skills so they will naturally spread them to millions of learners year in and year out.
I don't believe in "average" Janes or Joes, though. Dumbing anything down really makes me miserable and there's a "missing" MMM Podcast episode precisely because a very skilled mnemonist kept saying he wouldn't share one of his techniques because "the average man on the street" wouldn't understand it.
I appreciate what you're saying and why you're saying it, but until such attitudes are eliminated from the scene, memory training and general mental literacy really won't matter. We need to lift people up by assuming we're talking to their best inner self and think deeply about how and why anyone has ever come to the conclusion that any human is average. It's simply not possible, at least not in the minds of those who share my view of the nature of human consciousness.
Your thoughts?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM well I guess I meant average Jane and Average Joe in terms of getting their foot in the door. For example I would not have continued my years of training with memory techniques if I didn't see the progression of benefits from learning the simple stuff first. It takes a little bit of time learn the major system. As well as learning how to use memory palaces. In fact many people have told me when I was younger don't waste your time with that stuff, just study with the teachers gives you to study. But no one's laughing at me now, I'll tell you that much. It also takes a little bit of time to come up with a celebrity list and an alphabet list of colors Etc. All that being said, once a person picks up speed learning is like creating your own movie and a person in a very real sense become unstoppable and master the information so well that a teacher could even think that a student was sent by the upper management of the school board to check in on the teacher. I've been accused of that, because of how much information I was able to voice back to the teacher. The other reason I think so many young children struggle in school it's because the English spelling system is so backwards. That is to say there is not a one-to-one correspondence with pronunciation and spelling. Yes I agree memory technique should be talk to children in first and second grade but this is not the case. Who knows maybe one day soon. As a side I should mention I watch a lot of TH-cam videos on language acquisition as well as the history of the English language. And how automaticity must be developed for reading comprehension so that the person's mental faculties can be used to process what they're reading as opposed to sounding out words.
All good, and great that you spent the time. It will be a different investment for different people, but I think we all know that time doesn't really matter in the end when it has this much power and enjoyment to offer in the end.
Again, I think the mission here should be to get teachers learning these techniques so that they might reliably get to kids. I'm not sure how how to do it, but a formal requirement in teacher education colleges would be one strategy.
I don't agree that the English spelling system is backwards, nor the French or any other. It's actually quite ingenious, and from an evolutionary standpoint, we all owe our ancestors a ton of awe for the time and energy they put into crafting a means for us to communicate graphically with such speed. It's only too bad that so many systems are conspiring to snippetize our glorious writing systems and the flourishing of content, to which end I thank you for writing at length. Communication in depth is one of our only hopes.
I see 2 additional uses to this method.
1 AI. Programming an AI to go through a wheel before answering, instead of just give you the first answer the LLM thinks of, could increase it's ability to find and give you a quality answer, or set of answers, instead of a lower response prone to hallucinations.
2 The Magician's Wheel. This is an esoteric device that has the magician's understanding of the universe on it. Having a method to understand the universe in the same format could help abstract and explain details that are harder to symbolize.
I prefer not to go to an AI because the skill of memory is direct response without interfacing first with anything other than the mind.
Is the universe of becoming understandable? All the magicians I know see only becoming and pure immanence.
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That's fair. I see AI as a useful teacher, as it can potentially process and teach from information that would take a person millions of years to get through and draw the same conclusions, despite not being able to process the same way humans can. I find about a third of the time it gives me genius-level masterstrokes. (One third sounding like a toddler though. It can get frustrating. Hoping I can fix this)
I'd check out Foolish Fish. Esoterica is also a good source of information if you want to be a magician, but he doesn't actually practice from what I understand, just studies it.
I do think there are lots of great things about AI. Just not as a mnemonic tool for the serious mnemonist who cannot look down at a device and harms their own progress in nearly every circumstance by doing so.
I am aware of Foolish Fish. I am aware of no true magician that practices magic or practitioner who believes in true magicians. But as an orthodox non-dualist, I'm a bit biased, for better or worse. Reading Bruno also tends to lean one away from such systems, and all the more so in light of Yates' grievous errors.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Oh, you misunderstand. I don't want to use AI as a mnemonic tool. I want to use mnemonic tools to make a better AI.
People still need to improve their memory, and modern day humans have a lot of issue with that. But AI also has severe memory problems, and issues with thinking critically, both of which hold it back. I was thinking of using the memory wheel to improve the process AI goes though so it can use it's stored data better than just what the LLM has trained to remember.
"Actual AI" would be potentially great. So far it looks like there's a lot of smoke and mirrors. In fact, I'm thinking of asking Internet of Bugs to say more in an interview for my podcast after watching this and a few of his other vids about programming books from the past:
th-cam.com/video/VctsqOo8wsc/w-d-xo.html
Too true about AI having the issues you mention. I wonder if people have stopped reading Gödel Escher Bach... seems to me there are a lot of ingenious solutions people are coming up with to deal with non-problems as Jamy Ian Swiss has put it... (A real magician).
In any case, sorry if I misunderstood you. I re-read the thread and don't see how I would have come to any other conclusion, but as many of us know, primacy effect, recency effect and other memory-related biases can enact very strong holds.
Brilliant!!! I really want more of these teachings. Thank u really. I've started reading Bruno's books and I started with" song of Circe and On the composition of images". Interesting but I find some of it hard to grasp when it comes to differentiating signs, images, seals, and etc. Do I need to read any other book of Bruno before this one?
Great that you’re reading Bruno.
If this video gets enough interest, I may dig into further explanations of his terms.
For now, I suggest you finish what you started, then read the next one.
Also, take action. As I said in this video regarding the trick that cannot be explained, much in Bruno cannot be understood until you become the dancer of the dance. If you just read Bruno, most likely little or nothing will happen.
Does this way of approaching it sound useful to you?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Yes, that’s right. Thanks
Great! :-)
@Anthony Metivier, 04:02 min. mark. I do think that you and Einstein do agree with this, his observation: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler!” Thanks for your great videos. Cheers!
Many thanks.
Yes, I do think Einstein and I would agree - both with my playful criticism here and about the risks of simplification.
I would go even further and suggest that nothing is "made" simpler. But through inquiry we can "find" simplicity where possible and reiterate from there, always acknowledging the risk of new complexities in the process.
I want more, thanks.
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I haven't heard that particular quote but I have heard of a similar quote in relation to quantum mechanics. Aside from that, I remember watching a video of a monkeys memory being set against a human beings memory. Dots were flashed upon the screen and you had a second to remember where they were before they disappeared then the task was to remember where they were. The monkey hammered the human every time. They speculated language was the difference, arguing language had reduced our ability to retain information. I guess that's true if you think of language like a layer of complexity on top of basic *bare metal* memory. Kinda like translating English into French before you can connect with it instinctual. Kinda like moving beyond the word back into the archetypal world of intuitive understanding. I wanna say I think you also pick very particular words sometimes very intentionally to plant seeds, I've noticed haha
That's interesting.
I was commentator at the 2023 Pan American Open Memory Competition and they had the competitors memorizing cloud formations. I was asked to predict how they were doing it, and I guessed more-or-less-correctly: by using language.
I can definitely see how language would be a barrier to memorizing dots on a screen, but most competitors now use it to create amazing results.
Regarding word choice, but of course. What is writing but the practice of planting seeds? :-)
4:06 That quote has also been attributed to Richard P Feynman.
Exactly what I point out.
I do want to learn more about raymond llull and giordano bruno's stuff! especially the ars combinatoria and memory wheels.
Thanks for letting me know!
Have you seen this video on the memory wheel?
th-cam.com/video/ze06TKYfrO0/w-d-xo.html
So all medalions like st. Benedict medalions use the memory wheel. Nice video I learned a lot. This video has a tons of books compress into one video.
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In a way connecting concepts together or categorizing concepts are two more forms of combination.
Yes, indeed. Such variations are covered in the Seal of Seals. More on that in future videos.
In the meantime, have you ever ever built one of these memory wheels?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM no I’m a mnemonic slouch bum. Buuut I did try reading on the shadows of ideas by Bruno and I just couldn’t understand it. It felt like when I tried to read Kant and Spinoza once.
On the Shadows of the Ideas is a very challenging book. I would suggest starting with one of the others and then circling back to it.
Like nearly all of us, Bruno was learning how to explain his methods as he went. His later books are much clearer than his earlier ones.
By the same token, they are also documents of his time and some of the terminology and pedogogical style hasn't aged well. Nonetheless, there's much to learn and it all enlivens the other memory trainings that existed before and have emerged since.
The trick is to actually use any of the techniques so that you can learn more from the level of experience and compound your results. Likewise with reading either Kant or Spinoza - one would proceed a lot faster and go a lot further by actually doing philosophy while reading, rather than just reading.
With that in mind, is there anything further I can do to help you get started with memory techniques (or the doing of philosophy)?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM could you elaborate on how you approach philosophy learning?
Thanks for asking about this, Jesus.
I'll see if I can put something out about that in the near future. Do you have any more specific questions about it to guide my production of an answer?
9:01 Questioning Einstein’s quote
Thank you for your insights into the art of memory. I have been interested in mnemonic techniques for quite a while. Recently my Mum was diagnosed with Alzheimer's / dementia problems. This has befuddled everything I previously thought about the subject of memory . The evolution of a persons memory from childhood to old age is one thing. Alzheimer's / dementia is another. Would you be able to recommend anything helpful that might help my Mum ? I am trying to find more literature that can help me to understand her problems in more detail ? A quirky memory technique that I am unaware of ? Thank you for your excellent lectures.
Thanks for this and sorry to hear about your mom.
One issue we seem to face is that the memory training that leads to improvement typically requires some kind of volition on the part of the individual. If they're interested in the activities, they can get a lift.
One exception might be something called passive memory training. Basically, you don't ask the person to memorize anything, but show them a list of 10 words. Then come back and ask them if they remember seeing those words an hour previous, etc. It's potentially worth experimenting with, but will almost certainly have a better effect in individuals who have a strong willingness to engage in memory improving activities.
Years ago, this TED came out, but I'm not sure what came of the research:
th-cam.com/video/BMcduh1HEHA/w-d-xo.html
I have a feeling that the need for personal volition arose, but it might give you a leaping board into things to look into beyond passive memory training.
Thank you very much for your prompt and excellent advice. I will definitely follow your advice. Thank you again, I am a big fan of you and your work. @@AnthonyMetivierMMM
Thanks, David, and many warm wishes for you and your mom. Just shout out if any further questions arise where I might be useful and I'll get back to you a.s.a.p.
I need to truly memorise some terms, and I've been using Anki, but it turns out It is of no use. At least for more complex concepts.
A lot comes down to exactly how you're using Anki.
What are the steps you're following at the moment?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Hay dear .Internet Is No Substitute for a Library Mark Y. Herring says, i expand it
anki is No Substitute for our memory and Mind, why you need to remind with anki whenever you are Hereo in memo methods
Too true. I'll take a well-stocked library any day.
Thanks for your kind words.
What are you memorizing lately?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM thank you recently studying hard and Dear Do you think can medicine drugs improve our memory?
whats your opnoion and Do u use this way?
I don't have an opinion or any experience of using drugs. I suggest consulting with a doctor for such matters. :-)
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Awesome, I’m going to have to go back and try this out with novels and long TV shows. “Ok, who, what, when, where, why, how?” Do you think both wheels are excessive for this sort of material? Takk
Thanks for this.
I don't understand the question, though. Please expand on what you mean by excessive and the nature of the material. I would not use such a tool for novels or TV, myself.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM what would you use for “simple” material such as novels, tv shows, movies such as lotr , just for general understanding. Wouldn’t a steady “who what when where why how” thought process be beneficial?
What is your intended outcome? I was a film professor for nearly 10 years and a student of film studies for nearly twice that time. I do not recall ever using any of these questions, though there are powerful ways to memorize plot points... if that is your outcome.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM yeah, just simply understanding plot points. Not to be able to regurgitate the whole thing, but to be able to have enough facts to relate to our own understandings about life and chew on the ideas afterwards.
In that case, I would (and personally do) do this:
www.magneticmemorymethod.com/how-to-memorize-plot-points-for-writers-only/
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This is a silly small complaint, but its a bit frustrating to have subtitles that light up, out of sync with audio.
Thanks for the feedback. We're probably going to stop adding hardcoded subs from now on.
Have you tried using ars combinatoria before?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I think its some great concepts,and I need to learn more about Bruno. But I don't really get how to implement ars combinatoria.
Sorry this video did not make the implementation clear. What steps did you try to follow?
Please note that I never understood it myself until I took action with it. If you're waiting for understanding, it's likely never coming, so action is the key to understanding in this particular realm.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM In all honesty I did not try to implement it, which I think I will try. I think where it broke down for me was understanding this wheel, and how to implement it in a meaningful way.
I couldn't fully get the point of the outermost ring as relating to the inner ones. The inner ones, I could see uses for. But connecting to the outer ring feels to me like connecting two unrelated things together. I don't know if that makes sense.
How far different can mine be while still being the art of combination? If I don't understand the outer ring and implement something else in place, is it still the same thing? At some point of changing it must not be the same thing.
In this case, I made up my own outer ring because there is nothing in Bruno or Llull's examples that I care to memorize.
That is ultimately the point of the video, and I believe a point Bruno would make himself were he with us know:
Make your own wheels for your own purposes. In other words, yours can be as different as you wish - it's the principle upon which they are based that matters.
Does that make sense?
To be fair, I feel like that quote (whether it's Einstein or not) has its place. It may not be true all the time but being able to explain a topic simply seems to me like a good indicator that you understand it well.
I understand there are absolutely exceptions but I don't think that it can be necessarily dismissed as 'nonsense'
You make a fair objection, and I appreciate it. However...
You're seizing on the least important element and eliding the justification for calling it nonsense:
People use it and give it authority not because it's true, but because they think Einstein said it. I'm not sure there is a place for that and feel calling it nonsense is fully justified in the full context of my argument. It's the decontextualizing you're doing now that is part of the problem I'm trying to highlight and show how ars combinatoria can help us avoid.
Your thoughts?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I fully support the use of the misattributed quote as an example to demonstrate the technique.
I think I perhaps reacted defensively because I personally draw a lot from (not the quote itself, but) the idea behind it; that - almost - anything can be explained in simple terms by someone studied enough.
That is very interesting.
When has this been true and what concrete accomplishments have arisen from its truth?
I would be grateful and fascinated if an example could be established where tremendous complexity that cannot be explained in simple terms is at play.
I'm not trying to lead you into a trap or do any kind of intellectual noodling. I really want to understand how this quote can be useful and true when all evidence in the world demonstrate that it isn't.
I think too one would want a working definition of what "explained" means. It's actually pretty easy to explain all kinds of things simply, but what's the use of something explained simply if we don't have evidence of that explanation causing tremendous outcomes?
Take memory itself, for example. Sure, there are "simpler" explainers of the techniques we discuss on this channel, but what have the results been? Awards at memory competitions?
As great as that is, it's not winning anyone any Nobel Prizes due to global impact. And it's pretty obvious that memory techniques on their own never will. Even had Tony Buzan gotten one (and I think he should have), it could not have been on the strength of his simplified teachings of memory. It would have been for the tremendously complex series of products, processes, softwares and events that his leadership made possible. And yet, as simple as his explanations of complex techniques were, they are yet to be taught in any substantial ways in schools around the globe.
Anyhow, I'm confident you see where I am leading this, which is essentially into the uselessness of expertise without a competent audience. I look forward to your further thoughts as time and memory allow.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thanks for the responses Anthony.
I suppose I'm not quite understanding your position here.
To clarify and avoid arguing a point you're not making; are you saying that explaining something purely for the purpose of enlightening someone about a topic is useless unless it wins them a Nobel Prize or has tremendous outcomes?
No, I am asking you to provide an example and qualify it. I mention the Nobel Prize as a potential, but not necessary benchmark.
Perhaps you will disagree, but I would humbly submit that without some kind of benchmark, the exercise of substantiating your counterclaim without such an example would be fruitless.
In the meantime, thank you for the conversation. :-)
Well shit! The more I think about it, the more Astrology seems like a form of memory wheel/palace, with a fixed outer ring of twelve houses, a middle ring of movable signs, and an inner ring of seven (or ten) rotating planets. Beside the advantage of having a complete system with which to document every experience lived in an autobiographical sense, knowledge of the real time movements of the planets relative to one's own place in the universe, connects us and gives us access to profound, almost unimaginable awareness of things that literally just lays out the Word of God, and his individual plans for each of our lives before us. Also, there isn't a single subject under heaven that cannot be dissected within this holistic and ancient universal framework. It's not so much a skill to learn as a completely different way to perceive the world.
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You example is fantastic
But Prof we need more information to make clear picture about this topic
Its new topic
Thanks so much.
What specific questions do you have so I can make this clearer for you?
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Hi Anthony, in your wrap, what do you mean by attain distance and reality test attributes?
Thanks for asking about this, Raymund.
This is borrowed from Chip and Dan Heath is Decisive. So it's what they mean that matters. Do you think you can give the full book a read?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you will try!
Great!
you share so much wonderful information about memory. If i may offer a criticism, you talk WAAAY to much about things that are kind of irrelevant or should be shared later in the video. like youre just going on and on about incompleteness and einstein and I just want the dang method described to me simply and effectively. Most of your videos are like this and they are the "run on sentences" of videos.
Thanks, much appreciated.
And you’re very welcome to provide an edit of the script that is free from “run on sentences,” as you call them.
I suggest this because people who have this criticism tend not to have tried educating people about these techniques.
Indeed, I am virtually alone in doing so, and when I had the opportunity to work with a legacy publisher, they wanted to remove the truth about the techniques in service of some BS ideology that says the “masses” can’t handle it.
So until someone puts some non-censorial craft into their complaints, all it sounds like is otra cosa es con guitarra.
Again, I appreciate it very much, but myself and other creators doing their best to teach what they know have heard all of these suggestions before. If only people would reach out privately with edited scripts demonstrating what the complainer would have no complaints about instead - just imagine that world! 🙏
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM i realy appreciate what you do. Perhaps it is my shortcomings in having problems following your videos sometimes. I would not be able to do a better job I do not feel. Thank you very much for the response and I look forward to your continued content!
PS: Perhaps I may take your masterclass on Magnet Memory.
Thanks for this and wonderful if you want to take the course.
I believe the program is philosophy-free. However, note that the exercises need to be completed and the individual needs to memorize information in order for the methods to be described.
Sometimes people think that going through descriptions of the techniques will give them the skill, but this is not the case. Study must be matched by practice in order for skill development to come.
And then perhaps the reason why I go on and on about incompleteness and Einstein in the free content will become clearer. They have more to do with higher levels of the skill than it might seem at first glance.
But if you just want information on how to develop your systems, my program has got it, provided you take action on the steps and complete the exercises.
Thanks again and talk soon!
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Anything more specific? Are you going to give the technique a try?
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Thanks for adding your voice!
I feel many who put themselves in their videos is completely unnecessary and actually detracts from the impact the subject could be making .
Not sure what you mean, but thanks for stopping by.
What is the impact that this "could" be making and why should it do so?
I ask because it seems to me that if we're talking about the same thing, then you would know that everything is just fine as it is and only the ego thinks otherwise.