On the Shadows of the Ideas by Giordano Bruno | Narrated with Commentary | Session One
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- On the Shadows of the Ideas by Giordano Bruno | Narrated with Commentary | Session One
Giordano Bruno wrote many memory books and On the Shadows of the Ideas (De Umbris Idearum) is perhaps the best known.
In this live stream series, Dr. Anthony Metivier will be narrating the text and providing commentary.
It's an opportunity to get together and make the book alive as a community.
This initiative is made possible with the support of Miskatonic Books and John Michael Greer.
Although the original signed, hardcover editions from Miskatonic Books are no longer available, you can see the original information on their website here:
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Although the signed limited editions are out of stock, you can get a paperback version of the John Michael Greer translation here:
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To hear my interview with John Michael Greer about the text, please see:
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Please also visit John's site:
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For more of my Bruno studies on TH-cam, please see:
5 Ways To Unlock The Memory Palace Secrets In The Memory Improvement Books Of Giordano Bruno
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3 Ways Giordano Bruno Was WRONG About The Memory Palace Technique
• 3 Ways Giordano Bruno ...
The Memory Palace of Giordano Bruno: Ars Combinatoria or The Art of Combination
• The Memory Palace of G...
The Art of Memory: Frances Yates, Giordano Bruno And The Mnemonic Tradition
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Giordano Bruno's Memory Wheels and How to Use Them - a talk by Martin Faulks on the Art of Memory
• Giordano Bruno's Memor...
If you don't yet have the FREE MMM Memory Improvement Kit, get it now here:
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Anthony Metivier
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Thanks for all you do, Dr. Metivier!
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Just got my scott gosnell copy waiting on this one and hermetic art of memory so awesome. I feel really natural at this and it feels good to have a legitimate, productive means of moment to moment play. When my mom heard me talk about this she said I would always make up games in my head on our walks.
That’s great - happy reading!
Thank you for this. I own the book and have read it. It's difficult read and I plan to read again. Its good to hear a commentary from another person. I'm glad you shared this with everyone.
Thanks for being with us.
It is indeed a book worth rereading many times. Hope to hear more of your thoughts on it!
Hello Anthony, this is a
wonderful. I am Italian and I did my undergraduate dissertation on Bruno. Thanks to your project I am regaining interest in Bruno's philosophy. Morover, I am extremely amazed how you are using YT to spread high cultural contents. Thank you very much for your efforts, I am learning a bunch from you!
Wonderful!
Hopefully there will be more cultural content to come!
Thank you so much
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I have a couple of observations I noted last night. 19 minutes into the stream, the description (woah, I just had a breakthrough with that word as I write this youtube comment, a -de suffix means remove, description: to de-scribe, de-write in order to understand the mechanics, the meaning, unravel the writing, decryption, to de-crypt encrypted text, unravel encoded writing, I only note this as it happens to me in this moment because of what your description at 19 minutes related to for me in my mind that I am here to share, could be nonsensical ramblings but may trigger something for someone) the description of the outer wheel being used for all possible material concerns that may fit within and then the adjacent inner wheel being used for the spiritual responses, this is gold. Two things occur to me as you say this and offer a click inside my mind.
1. It reminds me of the notion that there are only so many stories in the world and that we can only re-tell the same stories, I think I came across this notion of there only being 12 possible stories, do you know what I'm alluding to? When I heard this, it made me think that there must also be a set number of possible characters, a set amount that we can embody, maybe with characters it's slightly different because we can merge characters but maybe we can merge storylines too, beyond the scope of this now, but it's a thought.
1.1 The next thing I thought as I bathed listening to the replay, I'm in my Granny's house at this moment, which has been sold recently and imminently I will leave this space never to return physically again, a final material residual of space which she incorporated to be physically inaccessible and inhabited by other beings, such an odd thing, anyway. I wrote a lyric when I was 16 in 2004, I wrote three verses, the first addressed my Mum, the second, my friends and the third and final verse addressed my Granny and in part her belief in me and that everything will one day be alright and I will succeed. That song is now a checkpoint reference for me but anyway.
I wrote, "I'm in front of the lock, I just need the key". When you described the wheel as, match the spiritual response to the material scenario, it's a tumble lock. I see it clearly, I sense it and feel it and hear it. It has the weight(feel) and sound(hear) of a bank vault for some reason, but it is visualised(see) to me as the standard internal mechanism of a tumble lock.
I love lockpicking videos, I picked a window lock when I was 14/15 with a hairclip, the feeling was so rewarding. I love the idea of breaking into things that your locked out of and breaking out of things that attempt to restrain you. The observation you made is clearly the key to the tumble lock, when matched, the 5 or 6 internal pins, drop into their assigned slots, it goes click and you open the door.
Your description is an excellent and helpful observation, thank you. Does what I think about the mechanism of a lock mean anything to you regarding this wheel? How helpful to have a set response from a limited number of choices, in order to respond rationally with confidence and grace to any circumstance, free from perpetual burden or confusion, safe in the knowledge that there are only so many choices to be made and that you can choose the best one.
2. You describe a theatre with characters rather than seeing a memory palace like a movie, this is another excellent observation that provides a click in my mind, would you care to elaborate more on this concept in a video possibly, if it warrants such an extended description and analysis short of researching the idea individually.
3. At 41 minutes in now and you start talking about The Great Key, I laugh because of my first thoughts regarding the mechanism of a lock. The Great key was supposed to be a book that was never completed or printed? I will research for myself but sounds interesting.
Finally, excellent stream so far, yes please continue the series, also read On the Composition of Images and thank you for reading, thank you John Michael Greer for translating and to John & Miskatonic Books for granting Anthony the opportunity to narrate the book and provide some personal insights, it's very helpful to many.
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Many thanks for your wonderful post.
As a former film professor who focused on narratology, I feel that the “only x# of stories idea is somewhat misguided.
There’s potentially as many stories as there are people to tell them - and the notion that they fit into “types” is seductive. Is it seven? Is it sixty-nine? Many answers have been given.
I think Propp nailed it best when he skipped over this question and focused on narrative “functions” instead. These are in Morphology of the Folktale.
When you understand these, it really makes the question if how many story types there are less relevant because we can focus more on how any particular story is built.
Then we can think about kinds of interpretations and use a set theory approach to look at the themes in them, which usually boils down to 3-5 kinds of interpretation of an abundance of types.
For example, most stories are either themed around:
Reason vs passion
Innocence vs experience
Body vs soul
At the highest level, a story will touch on all three themes, making it achieve a much higher cultural status. The Matrix, for example, has all those three themes tightly wound together and uses particular plot functions to do it.
The Matrix is very interesting because the order of many of the functions is different than we normally see. The visit to the underworld happens early on, probably the earliest I’ve ever seen in a movie.
In any case, that’s that.
I might do a video on the theatre thing, but I’m not sure what more there is to say about it. I’ll see what I can do.
The lock and key metaphor is interesting, especially when we think of information being “alive” like DNA or something like that. We literally experience “neurogenesis” while learning and it is caused by chemical combinations.
Thanks for your many compelling thoughts - looking forward to more!
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Many thanks for your awesome insights!
This is excellent! The pointer towards Morphology of The Folktale is pure gold, I've immediately found a pdf, what an excellent thing for me to attempt as one of my first memory palaces, I am very excited. To be able to see the components in the manner you describe in The Matrix (which I know like the back of my hand) and in any story in whatever form it's presented and in life itself, this would be very valuable.
Also for creative writing alone this is awesome knowledge to have been pointed towards, I'm entered into The NYC Midnight Flash Fiction challenge as we speak, Round 2 in September, so this could be very helpful for that also!
Reason vs Passion (Dialectic vs Rhetoric)
Innocence vs Experience (Naivety vs Wisdom)
Body vs Soul (Physical vs Aetheric)
Excellent way to see, this would be great to have a grasp on, this is my number one Memory Palace candidate now.
I like this idea of living information and the phrase chemical combinations, relating to the metaphor of lock and key, very cool. Neurogenesis being the effect of the cause (unlocking the lock) and the new formation being on the other side of the door just unlocked. And this continues like an infinity mirror, every time you combine the components, they create knowledge that once acquired creates the key which unlocks the door, you step through and then face yet another locked door, infinite neurogenesis. Makes me think of the Keymaker in Matrix 2.
Yes, please continue this series! Would be interested in the reading seminar as well
Thanks for letting me know your interest in another session.
Hopefully we'll get enough people also showing some desire for ye olde Bruno. So far the response seems closer to cold than lukewarm...
Watching the replay now. Your comments helps very much to clarify the content in the book. I've had it for a year-ish and left it on the shelf. Har read without context, but you provided it. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Do you think you'll work further with the book after this?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Yes!
Excellent. I look forward to your thoughts on it after a full read! :-)
palimpsest and simulacra, in one talk, what can I say, I loved it. Probably two of my favorite words right there. "I lucubrated on my palimpsest but next day I realised it was all but a simulacra as the ole lethologica hit".. (it's lethal to logicians to forget words like that) :-) ... I do think Bruno is onto something re no-subtraction. True on a functional level we can do it, but if you think about it on the level of cognition in both the examples you gave, poker, striking out cards, with the addition of fire, and the removal of a room from a memory palace what we're really doing is adding something to perform the function. (to remove a room, we're adding a kind of bypass, from the previous station to the one after).
Beautiful words indeed!
Thanks so much for this, Anthony!
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Thank you so much Anthony, I would never be able to understand this kind of passages without you explaining them to us. Heck, I wouldn't even think he is talking about memory palaces.
It is a challenging book. Thanks for checking this one out!
I just can't go one day without watching your videos haha! I'm obsessed!
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Wow, how incredible that Miskatonic books (and John Greer) allowed you to read this. Thank you for going through it. I couldn't find a "Session 2" with more of the book. Is there one?
Yes, that was very kind of them.
I decided not to pursue this project any further. I instead put my energies towards writing, The Infinite Memory Palace Technique of Giordano Bruno.
It will probably be available before the end of this year.
I literally left a comment mentioning how hard it was for me to read this book and then I see this on the channel. Thank you so much for doing this. Whether or not I influenced your decision a bit to do this or not.
Glad you found it useful, Rob.
I've heard from probably one hundred people or more that they struggle with Bruno.
You might also find this quicker video useful as you go through them:
th-cam.com/video/yyKD79f-x6U/w-d-xo.html
Any key takeaways come out of this replay for you?
Do you think I should continue?
I’m working my way through it now. I’ll finish tomorrow. I’d love to see more! Some key take aways, the major system being like a subject, that was a cool idea. The idea of writing and “inner writing”. And the cloud forms, it doesn’t matter what you used to memorize it or internalize it as long as you get there. Everything being an image, everything as an “image” or perception in consciousness, at least I think that’s what you meant, reminds me of Sam Harris and his Waking Up stuff. Just off the top of my head, thanks again!
Wonderful - thanks for letting me know these came through!
Court documents? The thought hadn't even occurred to me!
It’s fascinating material!
Listening to this while walking through a snowy forest near Seattle (USA)!
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Have you ever thought of interviewing Rupert Spira for this channel?
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One way Daoism describes “contraction/separation” is
“intimacy with the 10,000 things.”
So lovely.
Yes, and the verse on the assiduous student would apply here as well.
As for Spira, I’m aware of no memory connection - apart from the nondual notion that suggests there’s always a connection.
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Just the nature of art in relationship to symbolism and the mind. He seems very passionate about beauty and the recognition of self as other.
I wonder about this exploration of filling your mind with meaning and beauty, and how it helps in the dissolution of that imagined separation.
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… And I apologize if this is some thing that you have already spoken about extensively. I am only just beginning to wade into the ocean of your videos.
Powerful text!
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So sorry I missed the beginning...I am going to donate to the charity also. This is so good!!!!
Thanks for supporting Braden and always for your support of the MMM initiative!
I hope this commentary brings the book into greater light and life for you. Reading and re-reading it certainly has been fruitful for me.🙏
Based on what you read, and a video from Martin Faulks, I came to a similar conclusion about the great key. It's you / your action. Bruno seems to be bringing it up at strategic times, when he wants you to think deeply on what he said. If you read the instructions then keep wondering what the great key could be, and how it relates to them... You are practising what he's teaching.
So I grabbed my pencil crayons, tested them on a sheet of paper to determine how many are distinct enough to my eye to distinguish from each other, and made a wheel with 22. Inside I put 10 shapes: Square, circle, triangle, heart, isosceles trapezoid, sphere, pyramid, cylinder, cube, cone.
I used it to create a number system 00 to 219. I don't know that it's useful as one, it was merely an idea to explore. Using it at first was very taxing on my working memory. I can feel how I have to remember "red is 0, cylinder is 7, red cylinder 7." while also holding onto the shade of red, and visualizing it over the shape. While doing this I realized you could eventually come up with objects that roughly match those shapes and colours to replace them if you want. Green cone could be your favourite Christmas tree, silver heart is an easy locket. White sphere could be the marble half figure of Bruno. That might seem out of place, but a head is spherical. The rest of the statue is just part of it.
I also realized that having colours to mentally hold, and impose on shapes on paper is going to be valuable training for me.
The day after I thumbed through an old textbook from 1990, the biology of ourselves second edition. On page 111 there is a small blurb about a man who began a project to memorize the entirety of Homer's Iliad to prove the ancient Greeks kept all that in memory. They mentioned nothing more than he began at 60, and after 11 years of about an hour a day he was up to 22 books. Unfortunately they said nothing of his methods, nor even his name.
Finding out about Stephen Powelson was auspicious, and if there is any intelligence to the universe it must have wanted you reminded of him.
Thanks kindly for this.
The coolest thing with Powelson is that much of the memorization was done in his retirement.
He always did not try to hide flaws, but got his audiences engaged. When he got stuck, they helped him out.
I don't know if I'll go that far with my own Sanskrit memorization project, but I have at least felt a touch of what it's like. And I highly recommend going at least as far as I have.
I don't know exactly how the system you're working with would play out, but experimentation is the key and you'll be learning a ton the more you engage in this way. Plus, you have the training effect you mentioned.
I hope you'll keep us posted along the way!
Thanks for making this. I had received the book a few days before you posted this video. A silver lining, I would say. As it is said in the book, the text is enigmatic, so I find it difficult to comprehend. Following along with your interpretations should help me grasp the content of the book better.
I’ll be glad and grateful if my comments help. What draws you to Bruno and the arts of memory?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I forgot where I stumbled upon the Art of Memory. The "Ars Memoria" is what I found first, and being intrigued by the combination of words, I then came across Bruno (I believe). I don't know much about Bruno, apart from the information in Scott Gosnell's translation of the book, and the Giordano Bruno (1973) film.
I guess I want to discover for my self what the Art of Memory is, and how does it feel to use it.
Using it is the way. As Bruno would say, if you want to know the truth *be* the truth.
Hello Anthony, a fine stream like this is like a fine sushi restaurants Keep it up !! my bias get magnetized towards the painting metaphors hehehehe
thanks for John Michael to allow this to happen
I would like to sign up for the reading seminar
Thanks for checking it out. Sushi and memory - two of my faves!
Great lecture!!!!
🙏 Still working on the writing script, by the way. I haven’t gotten it right yet though.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM No problem. Every single content is a gem!!
I'm glad you feel that way. More coming soon!
Eldritch horrors and ineffable things are the only things you MIGHT not be able to properly conceptualize and use in a mind palace. As in if you encountered the ineffable in reality, you might not be able to grab ahold of any references that even approach it. I have yet to come across any such thing but maybe Bruno did
This is possible, though you might like to read Eugene Thacker's excellent Horror of Philosophy trilogy on how these things induce "improper conceptualization," so to speak.
In my reading/interpretation of Bruno it would be the case that you can memorize the improper conceptualization and this naming would be sufficient to the cause of remembering the unnamable, even if you could not experience it fully again.
You could not fully experience it again anyway, unless infinity were to fold, which if infinity is true, could eventually happen, provided that entropy is not real. (Which if infinity is true, suggests more and more structure, challenging the notion of entropy as such, either remaining ineffable, but all too memorable nonetheless.)
I bought a paper copy from Strand Books. I have the Scott Gosnell book on my Kindle but wanted a paperback for this lecture series.
Look forward to your thoughts on it after you've read it. It's so good to read and reread over the years.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Admittedly I made the decision to buy after watching a tv show advertising a messianic Jewish bible LOL
The here and now has been served. Thank you TV advert!
Yes my memory is still in the “effective” stage, I know the efficiency is the long game
I thought that he meant by "subject" that thing you want to memorize and "adject" being the imagery you use to help to recall it.
Thanks, James.
Adject does seem to be the imagery.
But as I interpret it, subject is the location (real, imagined or "wheeled".
Importantly, if this is correct, the subject is also imagery and can both act upon and be acted upon by the adject.
Look forward to any further thoughts you have on the matter and thanks again for checking this one out.
For anyone interested in buying from an independent bookstore, Strand Books has a few copies left.
The hardback good ones? That’s exciting!
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM No they had paperback copies. I rather paperback anyway so I could roll it up and put it in my bike bag.
Bruno rides free! Beautiful!
Thank you for this wonderful gift! Have you a copy of Willard Espy's, "Garden of Elegance" adapted from Henry Peacham's work published in 1577?
Thanks for joining the replay.
I’ll see if I can get a copy. Any key takeaways for you?
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM I have read it but not memorized it. It's in the form of a bestiary by way of a walk through a garden.
Your next talk on this topic will not come soon enough. I love your teaching style and various injunctions and attacks on sloth. Just ordered your book on the Psalms. Perfect language module!
Hey Anthony!
I'm doing cost and management accounts and I'm just at the foundation level, it has lots of formulas and theories and law to remember! The exam is on December, I'm pretty good at remembering but sometimes it gets mixed up. And it creates confusion with related terms and definitions.
What techniques can be useful for this? I have 4 books to remember 🥱 this is very new to me. Pls help me! I'd like to remember everything word by word lol, I wanna be very intelligent like knowing many language and specializing in the CMA course that I'm doing, ik I can do it!!
Thanks for these questions.
I’d suggest a comprehensive method, perhaps like the one I teach on my site.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM sure I'll check it out! Tnx for the reply!
Great!
I just googled this topic and I see you only uploaded this 14 hrs ago.
Yes, we had a great time together yesterday during this stream.
Anything in particular interest you about Bruno?
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Perhaps the "vulgar" he refers to is maybe visualizing/memorizing horrific things happening? I.e. murder etc, so if you've committed horrific or traumatizing images to memory perhaps you could keep traumatizing yourself? Idk... just a thought
It’s an interesting idea, though I don’t think that’s how he was using the word. It meant “common” in this context. This book encourages using memory techniques for extraordInary outcomes, not common ones.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Interesting, now it just makes me think he might have been afraid of the mind palace claustrophobia you've mentioned
I suppose that’s possible, but I don’t get that sense myself. What specific sentence or passage gives you that sense?
In advance of the stream I'd prepared some questions but they were relating to the two chapter's you decided to skip and that was all I'd read! I think it's best if I wait until you do those chapters to relate all my questions and observations but since you skipped those two chapters for a reason I will ask my first question since it relates in part to your reasoning for skipping the chapters, I at least now know I'm not alone in not fully understanding them.
Question 1: I don't comprehend what is being talked about in "An Apology Dialogue". I struggle to understand any of this, I find this kind of text hard to absorb and I associate this not with my lack of intelligence but a lack of academic intelligence. The kind of intelligence I perceive as an upper-class, private school educated intelligence for some reason, like pompus, it gives me the energy of "I'm considerably more clever than you" type of people. Do you understand what I mean and if so, why do you think this is my perception? I know I am capable of understanding things if communicated in a different way, is there anyway to make this kind of text more absorbable?
That being said. immediately after I wrote this, on page six, what Logifer has to say, I comprehend. I understand the alchemical principles being discussed specifically and the other statements and concepts generally, it's just all the other trying to be clever dialogue stuff in Chapter 1 that does not compute. It reminds me of a video I saw, World War 2 Oversimplified, th-cam.com/video/_uk_6vfqwTA/w-d-xo.html
That video personified countries and made them talk in a way that meant I actually understood the story of ww2, unlike reading historical accounts or school indoctrination that filled space with words and ideas to be regurgitated. I have no idea if the simplified video is accurate but it was clear, and regarding ww2 and it's story, why would one think any of the un-simplified historical account that was repeatedly bombarded into the minds of children in primary/grade school year after year when I was a child in the 90s was true anyway, if it were true, why would it need to be pushed so hard, that's the nature of propaganda not truth. Truth just is, it doesn't need to be pushed and re-enforced into mouldable minds, but I digress.
In reference to Chapter 2 "The Intentions", I may not fully comprehend all that is being communicated in each intention, although I initially sense much, but I can dwell and ponder the statements further, they soothe or bring a warming energy to my mind. the dialogue in Chapter 1 does not bring a soothing, with the exception of some of Logifer and Hermes' statements, mostly Chapter 1 makes my mind short circuit, why?
Great questions.
First off, compliments on tackling this. It is a hard text.
I feel that the core function of the dialog is to go over the objections people have to using memory techniques. Then, as now, lots of people criticize the techniques, so this is going over the different objections. And basically Bruno is saying to people with their excuses to stop being so obstinate and lazy. Just learn to use them.
The intentions and conceptions basically amount to wisdom literature. If you have situation x, do y. I think that is marvellous information, but I don’t think many people face the situations Bruno was discussing because they’re not under the thumb if a church as he was.
The Seal of Seals has I think a more developed and useful version of this material that relates to our world. It’s still challenging to read, but worth checking out.
In all things, I commend you for your interest and suggest you keep returning to Bruno and many philosophers. Clarity comes in stages.
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM Thank you. I would like to improve my capacity to read such texts and see them for what they are, but maybe it's not only a lack of academic intelligence but also a lack of education, particularly a broad understanding of history and education on the subject of literature itself. I wonder if with regards to my capacity to read and understand, what you describe later in the stream (I'm listening in chunks and taking notes) regarding the potential reading seminar would aid exactly this?
So if I understand correctly, in intentions and conceptions, he is in part providing examples of the use of the wheel as you describe it, matching the scenario with the appropriate response? I understand this is not the only information to be garnered from the texts, with greater understanding I may comprehend his personality and jokes for example, but would it be correct to assume a demonstration of the wheel at work?
A worthy subject to study alone for me would certainly be Bruno, you've mentioned the texts of the trials. To learn more about him and to gain a deeper understanding of that period of his life would be beneficial for context and understanding of his nature and his writing, which is surely filled with information I know can help me on my personal journey.
Wisdom literature, fascinating, I've never heard of this and I have taken note of the definition on an index card here that is in this moment the first note taken on the subject of literature. Thank you for informing me of this genre.
I look forward to reading the seal of seals, I think slow and steady wins the race for me at this moment, so in due course I will get there, I'm feeling better today than yesterday and I felt better yesterday than the day before, simply because I'm using my mind and engaging, providing and discussing thoughts with you here is very helpful.
It's funny, this morning I have been setting up a new laptop, fresh and clean, no clutter and I am organizing bookmarks of importance and programs from a fresh slate in as minimal manner as possible. I added the mmm blog, which although you would have mentioned in the past and I would have heard, it didn't trigger my attention until yesterday evening when I saw a youtube community post that linked the "Analytical Thinking" blog post from August 3rd. An excellent post, very interesting, but it led to me bookmarking the blog this morning. I scrolled through the blog posts, going back a few pages and then clicked on the first one with an image that stood out to me, "How To Learn Something in Six Easy Steps". This image is amazing, I wonder if you know what place of learning it is, the octagonal form immediately drew thoughts of Taoism to mind and then the lines for students to sit and study in each direction of the compass resonates deeply. This post though, relates for me to my lack of comprehension or academic education and it dawned on me what is generally difficult.
I had fully dropped out of school by the time I was 13 and because of the manner teaching was applied and the style of regurgitation, so called education that I perceived as indoctrination, means that I have this negative association with what I keep referring to as "academic intelligence". This doesn't mean I don't want to learn, it never meant that, I want to be able to think for myself, that's all it ever meant. So that particular blog post hits on something for me, and that is a system to learn a subject, analyse information, give me a structure, expectations and parameters to work within and I excel, so that post is very helpful, I just want to be able to critically think and comprehend higher levels of learning and multiple subjects.
As of yesterday I began the MMM Course and I am committed, I've split the video sessions into 18 at 25 minutes a piece, scaled back from 30, pausing outside of the 25 minutes video watch sessions to take notes on my index cards. To track my progress, the sticky note with 18 days to cross of is on my wall underneath my Man in The Maze postcard, aka I'itoi.
Wish me good favour!
Re separation. I see it like this, "there is only one true religion, the truth". This is almost a tautology, and makes no actual statement about what that truth is. (Maybe it's the Christians, or the Mulsims who are right, who knows what happens beyond this ethereal simulation, indeed even what are we beyond this simulation (not sure if you ever watched the TV series Red Dwarf back in the day, but there's an episode called 'back to reality' which springs to mind.)) Anyway this thought about the one true religion being the truth acted a sort of starting point for my thought process. In a sense what is truth except what is. If you consider all that is, then this is (being the actual) also the truth. I call this 'the totality'. The totality is all that is. There are hints of this in the words of Jesus when he says "I am the way the truth and the life"... because in some sense all three are the same. It also makes sense from a Buddhist perspective, where alignment with the totality is akin to dharma, and mis-alignment with the totality is karma, and the totality in the present moment, is the dao. It also makes sense from a secular perspective where for example in a game of chess, being aware what's going on in the position is more likely to lead to a win than not being aware. Of course we all have to model the world, and we all do that based on limited information. But in some esoteric sense we can see that all is either 'alignment' i.e. truth... or hallucination i.e. not. (interestingly this perspective also matches with the Christian notion of forgiveness, because even though we may be mis-aligned with the totality, (and so in religious terms separated ) there is always the possibility of redemption, i.e. re-alignment ). While things are good or bad, in terms of the journey, on that level of the totality, there really is only alignment or not.
Thanks for sharing this perspective.
I don't necessarily disagree, but my question for you would be to what extent using words achieves what particular outcome. It seems like you're proposing that the mind has to have some kind of "label-able" model in order to assess whether there is alignment or not.
What I am proposing is that any such effort is already creating the separation one wants to resolve. "Truth," "religion," "alignment"... when is this just more intellectual noodling vs. using mind to "negate" or "neutralize" mind?
To lay my cards and agenda on the table, I prefer Becoming to Being, and when I've got it, there is no tomorrow, let alone labels for the state itself. Happiness Beyond Thought by Gary Weber is a great instruction manual for achieving such states and maintaining them. :-)
@@AnthonyMetivierMMM becoming, is just 'being' in the future. :) ... I definitely accept that there is a big difference between theorizing about such things and actualizing. Although, it's fashionable to dismiss 'as just theory', I think in fact a theory can be valuable. (actually our brains always opperate on theory at some level, whether we realise it or not. - for example i'm sat on a bus in the bus station, and I have the experience that the bus I'm on is moving forward. Quite a real experience until the very moment my brain realises the bus next to us is reversing. From that point try as I might my conscious mind can't recreate the experience. (why because the unconscious mind has updated it's theory about what's actually out there, and always attempts to convey that (in the model we experience as reality) as realistically as possible.
Oh my, the knowledge of wheelness itself is not material because it relies on proof itself,as well as material, and proof/logic of course is extremely problematic 🙄
What makes logic problematic for you?