The Proud Family's Mistreated Boyfriends 💔💔💔
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- My reaction to how Kareem and Darrius were treated on the colorism episode of The Proud Family Louder and Prouder compared to Zoey and Noah. Guys can be treated wrong as well. Let's discuss. Please don't forget to comment, like and subscribe. Thank You!!!
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Funny how this show was made to fight racial division but created so much division at the same time.
These morels are terrible or at least terribly written
Because instead of sending out a message that all cultures are beautiful, The Proud Family is sending out a message of white guilt. Do something with my white privilege? Of course I'll help anyone I can with whatever I can do for them.
But why should Zoe feel guilty in this situation? An attractive young man gave her attention and she was happy someone noticed her! Her "friends" don't! They automatically assumed Zoe knew she got a boyfriend because she was white!? When did Zoe ever give off a message she thought she was better than anyone else!? Never! She protested along with her friends, stood up for their rights and learned about oppression. She was always kind to them and the first chance they got they decide to use her "whiteness" against her and in the end she is the one to apologize!? Uh, nope!
And that riot with the white police officer married to a black man with a black daughter and son - of witch he loves very much was supposed to stop a mob scene by himself with his "white privilege!?" Exactly how was one person of any color going to stop that!? Teaching children to think this way is bullshit!
And yeah, the boyfriends had just as much right to be mad with the girls as Zoe did! They were going to forget people they claimed to love all because they wanted a hot guy!? How was that a lesson not learned! Trust your friends, believe them when they tell you things and don't ditch the love of your life because a hot guy was around! This is shameful trash!
I think it’s cuz a lot of us black folks are waking up to the negatives and hypocrisies that are within our community.
This show seemed like a Adult swim show more then a Dizney show it’s just didn’t let them cuss
Finally, it’s about time someone discusses this. I was shocked the guys didn’t react in this episode at all. what do you mean by that is like I would’ve thought it would’ve been a negative reaction where the girls had to win the guys back. They totally should’ve just because I think in real life a guy would not tolerate this.
Colorism has always been an issue on the Proud Family 🤦🏽♀️
Always‼ I think on purpose too 👀
And anti-maleism which is a larger problem within Disney in general for which there will be collective global accountability.
Never really watched the proud family but apparently with the reboot, it had a lot of controversial topics such as white privilege, and reparations for people who were never slaves from people who were never slave owners.
Yes it always has been an issue in The proud family colorism but they choose not to address it because they had to put Zoe in the middle of it Zoe is a distraction so people could ignore what's going on in the black community this is a distraction what is going on in the black community they want us to ignore colorism 9:13
They believe us melanated people that were so dumb enough not understand the true aspect of colorism 9:13
There is colorism in The proud family dijonay Oscar proud and the gross sisters they are the victims of colorism but they chose to do it in a different way like we will get distracted and we ignore the true concept of colorism 0:01
This thing in particular got on my nerves. It just made Penny and Dijonay look really terrible. Not only are they ostricizing one of their closest friends out of jealousy, but they are also being very bitter over about not being liked by a guy when they are already in committed relationships. The whole episode sucked because of how terribly written it was.
And the fact that in the plot Kareem and Darrius were completely over looked and used as rebounds when they were already Penny and Dijonay's boyfriends 🥴
@@TonyTurner It's very weird how they just had to endure it. They didn't call Penny & Dijonay out or anything. Are we supposed to believe they were completely cool about their girlfriends openly thirsting over another guy?
@@Lunella08I mean doesn't that mimic real life. We all hear about Women complaining when their Man just so much as looks at another Woman while with them but the reverse is praised and played off as "it's not a big deal bcus it's a woman doing it".
@@kaimobley5324 I guess some woman do that. But that doesn't matter. Whether man or woman, pursuing someone else while already in a committed relationship is wrong. Especially if it's being done as blatantly as Penny and Dijonay were.
@@Lunella08 Actually it does matter, as I said it mimics real life. We all know if it was the other way around things definitely would've been said by Penny and Friends without issue. No body would be questioning it either but bcus it's Men being the ones it happens to them it's "fine without reason to address".
Doesn't make it any less wrong when Women do it but there's clearly a Bias and Societal Standard showing resemblance in the episode amongst other things.
Why would this show even give them boyfriends if it's always going to show them going after other people
It's like what they say, "When the chase ends, so does the thrill"
Because we need plot points duh
It’s “too hard” to write healthy couples
@_politefrog_8892 exactly, if they want to write healthy relationships, they need to go to rizzanomics
Cause there trying to show what real messy females do
Ngl dijonay and penny is the WROST girlfriends you can ever have ngl, when they find a cute guy they go crazy over him and forget that they have boy friends. Both of their boyfriends are good people I feel pretty bad for them.(once again sorry for my grammar)
I feel like Kareem and Dirius should have left them. Who wants to be with someone who will throw you to the side like that as soon as they see someone else they want?
@@Lunella08 True!
Agreed ‼
Kareem is so nice and loyal too. I expected better of Penny, but she did learn to be that way from her parents. They always fawn over the hot person who catches their eye even though they're both married with kids.
Well, Penny definitely picked up some bad habits from her grandma and mom, especially in a few episodes where Sugar Mama and Trudy flirt with other guys but if Felix or Oscar does it, their ass is grass. Papi just gets lucky because Sugar Mama doesn't speak nor understand Spanish, which is treated like another annoying gag.
The irony of all this: Noah barely spoke this ENTIRE episode
They wanted him to be the villain so bad and it flopped hard
The episode would have been better if it went something like this. Noah asks Zoey out. Zoey's friends are initially happy for her. Zoey's friends slowly realized Noah is colorist by how he negatively treats them behind Zoey's back. They try to explain this to Zoey and Zoey feels they are just jealous and bad friends when really, they worry and care about her. Zoey avoids them and hangs out more with Noah. She starts to see Noah's true colors, realizes her friends told the truth and she messed up. She leaves him, goes back to her friends, apologizes for not believing them and they all forgive her and have a sweet group hug. I think this was the kind of message the producers were trying to convey but they executed it poorly. Instead, they made Noah seem like a normal chill dude with a romantic preference. Just because someone may find certain people more physically attractive in their opinion doesn't mean they treat or view people poorly and unfairly that they find less physically attractive. And they made Zoey's friends, appear as gold diggers, cheaters, jealous jerks, horrible fake friends, who should have apologized to Zoey first not vice versa.
Thank you.
They really could've hired one of us to write the outline for the episode. This sounds so much better ‼
You fixed it!
This would have been more realistic! Penny and dijonay have cute boyfriends and I think it's sad that they're willing to throw it away all for a celebrity! Penny even cheated on her boyfriend with that Native American kid. Dijonnaise finally had a guy that liked her mutually (it didn't start that way) sticky didn't even like her in that way but even she is willing to throw it all away for a celebrity. It's sad that they even made La Cienega and Zoey the single ones. But they weren't mad at her when she danced with Myron so that just tells me that if Zoey is dating someone who is better looking in their eyes than their boyfriends, then they will claim racism and dumped her out of their friends group... As a mixed woman, half Spanish and half white, that would have drove me crazy and I didn't last long even talking to a black woman blaming me for all the slavery when it happened a long time ago, how white people have it easier and blamed me for everything wrong with her life. She was a mean and spiteful person and I'm glad I never really talked to her again after that. People can experienced racism no matter what color they are and that was the first time I ever experienced that! Dijonay's bf is so attractive already and so is Penny's bf who is extremely tall and even he is very attractive basketball player which a lot of women would kill for! But yet they simped and act like everything is Forgiven as if nothing ever happened. Zoey doesn't really like Myron but she had to settle with him because no one else wanted to dance with her.... I know how it is to be with someone you are not attracted to at all and it's usually not a good match! I like the original Proud Family better because Penny actually had morals back then but now she's no longer like a bowl or understanding and Zoey somehow became more likeable and relatable. Zoey deserves love as well not just everyone else. La Cienega deserves a boyfriend as well even though I know she is still a very toxic person but maybe she'll have more respect then Penny and dijonay for their boyfriends! Actually, they should have given La Cienega hair as long as sunset's hair! If Penny's boyfriend was in the original proud family then she most likely probably would have treated her boyfriend a lot better!
There were many ways the could’ve gone with the episode and they chose like, the worst way lmao
I never understood why the other girls were so mad / jealous towards Zoey?
Some of them ALREADY have boyfriends. I guess it’s because the guy is a celebrity.
If you’re in relationships with someone, but they need to seek attention & validation from others.
It’s time to leave. 🤦
Because she's white. Ain't even hiding it no more, I reckon.
Kareem is too good to be hanging around these dumb kids. Except maybe Penny.
No, Penny was awful to Zoe and Kareem.
Penny deserves to be dumped
@@NotWhatIamMadeFor Penny was actually the one girl actually trying to be NICE to Zoe. Worst she was is not actively bitchslapping Dijonay for it.
@@NotWhatIamMadeFor plenty of every singe characters here are more than enough to boil anyone emotion because of their unpleasant personality (jerk character actually can work well if the writer can make them fun enough, and Proud family barely qualified it, although strangely many people like this cartoon) . Few are really nice like Kareem.
To anyone that says Penny and Dijonney were only interested in Noah because he's a celebrity, not because he's an attractive guy they want to date-by obsessing over Noah and spending the episode being angry that Noah was interested in Zoey (the unattractive white friend), the end result is the same. Their actions imply that their darker-skinned boyfriends are not important because this genetic jackpot guy is in the picture, and it's only when they know for certain that Noah isn't choosing them that Penny and Dijonney show interest in their boyfriends again. And as Tony points out, the boyfriends don't call the girls out on their behaviour or hold them accountable; they just loyally show up and the topic is dropped.
If it really was just about him being a celebrity, the show had plenty of opportunity to specfiy this. It didn't.
A lot of us know the end result is the same. Some of us just want people to stop misusing "love" or "like" as "wanting to date and/or copulate," and to not interpret conflicts between two people of the same gender as "romance rivalry" or "homophobia," or between two people of the opposite gender as "lovers' quarrel" or "sexism".
The end result garnering the same negative reaction does not change the fact that the motivations and methods are not.
People who only choose to pay attention to end results often either misunderstand (only when they are unaware) or mischaracterize (when they are aware and do not care) the situations or characters to the point of misleading fandoms.
Criticizing someone requires getting closure. Insulting someone does not.
Perfectly said ‼
@@yanrokbowl28 - Except the show left the intentions of Penny and Dijonney vague, which means people can interpret those intentions in different ways. When I say the end result is the same, I’m referring to the implication that the boyfriends are dropped so that the girls can focus on Noah, which has no negative consequences on their relationships because the boyfriends are barely allowed to be in the episode. The writers chose to make them background details when they should be important. Whether the girls are after him because he’s hot or because he’s a celebrity, they still want him to invite them to the dance.
No one is mischaracterizing the characters by looking at the end result of them dropping their boyfriends in order to obsess over Noah and his choice to focus on Zoey.
Yeah, ironically they seem to be showing more colorist behavior than the guy who was only added to make it a talking point lol
This episode really painted black women in a bad light. You would think the show would portray Black people, especially girls, in a good light, but it has really done the opposite (ex. colorism, queer men being "one of the girls").
I don't like the stereotype that black women are obsessed/upset when black men date outside their race, especially white women. We all know that this episode wasn't about colorism, but rather jealously and black women acting like they are always the victim. But this episode *could* have been about colorism if the focus was on their boyfriends and how they compare to Noah. I would've dumped my girlfriend if she acted this way, especially in front of me.
I say it painted Black Women in a Bad Light in the Right Way. Hear Me Out.
We always hear about how Black Men are the worst, the root of all problems in Society etc etc by Black Women. It's been going on like this since the 50's, almost 100 years worth and Black Men just had to take it bcus "how dare you speak on what Women say claiming it as Wrong". No matter what a Black Woman says/does it's always for good reasons and should be excused.
Does that sound familiar? It's the exact same thing that happened in this episode. This episode highlights that same very Toxic thinking. Bcus let's be real if the roles were reversed we know for a fact the Episode would've been a lot different. In this episode putting bad light it actually sheds it on Black Womens behaviors. Showing Black Women are just as problematic and Toxic as Black Men and get a pass for things they themselves shouldn't get and also wouldn't give to the opposite party.
I still think they heavily dropped the ball with this episode (amongst many others of the reboot) but it also subliminally exposes things as well.
@@kaimobley5324 You mean like all those videos of black women saying that it's okay for them to cheat if their man isn't 'treating them like a queen'?
It ended up embodying a negative trait that is a problem... but instead of calling it out they justified it by acting like it was ZOEY's fault for not being psychic and knowing why a famous boy would like her. They even act like her being gawky and awkward is something that she should just consciously know makes her unlovable! That's a really warped mindset to insist a friend adopt.
@@dragames Exactly. Especially when "treating them like a Queen" is basically described/used as literally Worshipping Her, Spoiling her Rotten, Never Telling Her No, Dealing with whatever Attitude she has in Silence, Never letting her have to lift a Finger for ANYTHING despite the fact she's an Adult who should be Responsible and Excusing Her of ALL Forms of Accountability while taking the Blame for Everything.
@@kaimobley5324 That's a perfect response! The creator/writer of this show is a black man, so I feel like he wrote it this particular way just to act like black women aren't the problem? As someone else pointed out, it's similar when black women act like they can be rude and cheat on their man if they aren't "treated like a queen". I wish this episode actually focused on how problematic the friends were (especially Penny and Dionay), but of course it failed to deliver the proper message by focusing on the wrong thing.
Honestly my biggest hang up in this episode is Maya. She stoked the fire with the race card. Penny called her out once, but she doesn’t get humbled. She didn’t even apologize to Zoey. Even Lacieniga apologized!
I don't like Maya. she's a forced character
@@Louieducktm She’s not likeable as a character, but I don’t think she’s forced. I’ve definitely met people like her.
Let’s be honest. Dijonay and Lacienega only apologized bc Zoey caved in and also apologized first.
@@randomname1924 Possibly, though Dijonay has shown she’s been more of a friend to Penny (at least from the voice change episode). I don’t really see Lacienega apologizing unless it benefits her. Meanwhile, Maya was the catalyst for the entire drama of the episode then turns around saying “That’s why we girls got to stick together”. You started it, Maya!
@@Ozzygirl17Not to mention, Maya has interracial parents. Did she ever think her dad was just only into white men
Both Zoey, Kareem and Darrius deserved so much better in that episode
I'm glad that Michael and LaCienega weren't in the wrong for once since, especially LaCienega. She's always painted as the petty mean girl.
@@Neku628what did Micheal ever do? He seems cool
Yeah. Zoey gets done dirty
I also have a problem with hating on Noah for his preference; he is allowed to have his preference. Also we do have control over our actions but we can't control who we are attracted to.
Also true! Now I don't support racism at all but, this dude wasn't doing anything against melanin rich skinned people. If he did that would be a problem but yea he is attracted to light skinned people. Some folks are attracted to thin people or chubby people, femanin or masculine people. Noone gets to choose! He never did anything harmful to the black girls!
This! As long as he isn't hurting anyone, who cares what his preference is?
Yeah, the episode's moral begged the question of why it's not okay to then bully people who date within their race, or people are drawn to people who are classically-attractive, or people who are attracted to people who are thin or fat, or people who like certain physical features. Sending the message that it's acceptable to harangue people for their "incorrect" dating or mating preferences opens up a nasty can of worms.
I reckon an easy fix could've been to have the love interest be a jerk to the friend group, such that they would've had a legitimate beef with him.
Like If Noah was being a complete asshole to darker skin girls being into him, then yeah I think we’d be having a different conversation. But the guy is not disrespectful or rude to Penny, DiJonay or the rest of the gang. So this hate campaign against the guy for liking white girls in a romantic sense just falls flat because he’s not being a dick about it.
See, it wouldn't have been hard to fix this dumpster fire of an episode. Have Noah go out of his way to make derogatory statements about women of color or even compare them to WW by claiming them to be *insert negative stereotype*. That way Zoey could kind of be seen as the bad guy for not standing up for her friends, and the friends would have a reason to grow frustrated with her.
In the beginning Zoey could be defensive towards the other girls because A.) She would believe them to be jealous, or could accuse her friends of either taking Noah's words out of context or trying to sabotage her relationship. or B.) She briefly overlooks what Noah has said, finding his words to be jokes, because she wants to continue living in a world in which someone popular or attractive has taken a genuine interest in her.
That would be a much better conflict. After that the girls begin to drift apart. Zoey is happy in her relationship and at one point confesses to Noah just how much she misses her friends. He uses this as an opportunity to fire off a few more insults to which Zoey finally comes to understand that Noah just wants her because of her skin color and not because of who she is as a person to which she dumps him (maybe the confrontation could be in public so the other girls would witness the breakup). The friends chime in, blah blah blah they're friends again and thus the rest of the episode is carried out at the school dance.
If the episode was about Penny and Dijonay being hypocrites and having to apologize to their boyfriends then that would have been better. If you wanted to keep Noah as the focus then have him pick LaCieniga over Maya.
I swear all of us could've wrote a better script
And, with that plot, there's still a golden opportunity to tackle colorism, too! The girls could end up reflecting on the fact that they were selling their own boyfriends short due to their own internalized prejudice.
@@TonyTurner meanwhile the actual author doesn't know this, or simply doesn't care and let the girls as unpleasant as ever
Not to mention the same white girl who we saw in the beginning Noah like skipped past her and picked Zoey over the ‘prettier’ girl cuz he ended up with her at the end of the ep BUT HE PICKED ZOEY like went straight to her and honestly I wished that we had more character for Noah and Zoey yk I wish we saw them more spending time together because even though Noah had a preference He seemed to be treating Zoey good.
I know right, I was planning on shipping them
For all we know maybe he’s a sucker for red heads and that’s ok
Kareem was cute and perfect for Penny they could have just leave that boy alone and let Zoe have her moment
The girls looked so nice in their Disney princesses dresses it's too bad the princesses episode had to be in the colorism episode
Right that moment got totally overshadowed
This may be a nitpick, but someone pointed out that the show claims that girls can be anything yet all of the girls are dressed as princesses that match their skin color/race. Y’know, Penny is Tiana, Dijonay is Brandy’s Cinderella, Lacienega is Elena, and Zoe is Merida because she has red hair. On one hand I wonder why they didn’t have Zoe or Maya dress as one of the other Disney princesses. On the other hand, I could totally see Maya trash-talking the Disney princesses for being “bad role models.” Which is why it’s surprising that she never called out her brother for dressing as Pocahontas given how controversial that movie is.
Imagine if this episode went in a different route.
Like say The character design of Noah was in fact Myran if he got a glow up and the girls couldn’t believe it and of course he goes for Zoe and she reciprocated the gesture.
They girls. They get mad and Zoey calling her shallow for going for Myran for now looking good , Zoey defends herself and says she likes Myran for him
Myran hears the conversation and reverts back to his nerdy self. Of course the girls back away after he proved to them they were the shallow ones not Zoey
And Zoey still danced with him not caring what her friends say
Much better with a morale that at some point EVERYONE will get called out for something. Also a nice looks shouldn’t matter to your partner story
@@CookingChicken-yt7ed yeah I don’t quite get what the moral behind the episode.
Stay in your lane?
Don’t think your friends will be happy if a person out of your league/ different race likes you?
White people should know better?
Or just, makes clear that Noah was actually into Zoey, I mean, there was other conventionally attractive white girls he ignored, they could have kept that
Why the hell was Penny and Djonay so upset about Zoey getting attention from this particular guy knowing damn well that they already got boyfriends?! Like why does it matter if Zoey has a boy that’s interested in her? If I had a boyfriend and a friend who had a boy interested in her, I’d say go for it, I wouldn’t act petty and vindictive. The hypocrisy in this reboot is just so suffocating.😠
If anyone should feel jealous, it would be boyfriends!
Now that you said it, I do feel bad for the poor guys. I don't think they deserved that at all : /
Colorism effects men too
Many of us are just raised to not talk about it. Or bring attention to it.
Definitely ‼
The writers screwed ALL the characters over tbh, I think they need to get new writers for S3, bc if nothing is changed, we can expect another flop. Also, I find it sad that Kareem basically felt like he had to win Penny back (the pizza heart) just for her to realize how valuable he should be to her. No one should have to do that, your partner should find you valuable just the way you are.
Yeah, that part made me mad. Also, I thought the talk between Penny and Sugar Mama was wholesome, BUT, it would've worked better if Penny wasn't already with someone.
No one in the show has loyalty, it's always been a thing in the series. Even the adults, Trudy and Oscar would constantly openly express desire for other people. So would Felix and Sunset. All the kids just clout chase and treat each other like they're disposable if something better comes along. It's something I disliked about the series for the longest time and people have noticed this before the reboot. I wish the reboot had tried to fix this but instead it's their go-to trope cause they think cheating or casually casting aside friends is HYSTERICALLY FUNNY, when in reality it's toxic.
When has Sunset shown interest in other people besides Felix?
@@user-ye5lu1iy9e I don’t know the name of who it was specifically but I remember that she and Trudy both were enamored with a celebrity together in the old show.
blk not loyal
so I hate how this show has turned to
but more than that, I hate the fact that while it's trying to push certain messages... the creators are completely unaware of other messages they're not intending to send goes... like you mentioned, the creators ignore the pain of any male so long as they try to frame it as 'girl problems'.
Honestly, I’m so glad to see someone speaking on the issues of the show in such a well mannered and intelligent way. Not overly condescending to the show or it’s audiences while still pointing out its flaws.
I’m honestly surprised this channel isn’t bigger.
Thank You ‼
Having Penny and Dijonay completely disregard their own boyfriends also makes them mad at Zoey feel even more petty and hurts the message of the episode. Them being in a serious relationship wasn’t good enough for them. They had to be asked out by someone they didn’t even plan on going out with just to satisfy their bottomless egos. And it’s not like they actually liked Noah before, since he had only just arrived at the school.
It kind of trivializes the whole colorism issue by making the girls also act extremely superficial without properly addressing their hypocrisy. They’re upset because a famous person they didn’t know asked someone else out instead of them, even though they would’ve had to say no to him anyway because they already had boyfriends. And since this episode did such a bad job of addressing the issue of colorism by not having any real proof of Noah only dating white girls until the end, they could’ve had a twist where Noah reveals that the reason he didn’t ask Penny and Dijonay out was because he saw they already had dates.
Penny and Dijonay talk about how much they want to go out with the guy right in front of their boyfriends. And Kareem and Darius are visibly upset by it! Those boys deserve better girlfriends!
Different topic, but the other thing that I never see people mention in the criticism of the episode is Michael's costume at the party. He says that he's dressing as (the Disney version of) Pocahontas in order to celebrate his Powhatan heritage. The Disney Pocahontas movies are notoriously inaccurate and considered by many to be disrespectful of the real person. If a real descendant of the Powhatan tribe wanted to celebrate her they would probably dress in authentic clothing and use her real name, but Disney needed to shill its own products and pretend that real Native people would see it as good representation. It's a minor thing compared to all the other problems present, but it struck me as a problem when I saw the episode.
I’am glad you made this video I felt bad for the boyfriends
The most silent victims of the episode.
Honestly, the shows women treat their men horribly on this series as a whole.
This is what goes on out there in the real world. At least they are trying to get the message across In some shape or form
@@thadevilzadvocate not really a message if they don’t actually say anything about it.
So far it’s just people WATCHING it pointing it out.
Correct! Like how Trudy and Suga Mama abuse Oscar! It's portrayed as comedy yet it's terrible to watch.
@@joshwillis2879 it’s actually one of the reasons I never liked the show when it was originally on, and wondered why the hell it was popular or why people were excited for this reboot instead of demanding a reboot of Dave the barbarian.
That, and Dijonay, who as I’ve said repeatedly was just a horrible friend.
@@battybuddy same here! Dijonay is one of the worst "Friends" I've ever seen and she never gets her comeuppance!
THANK YOU!!! While the whole situation with Zoey ticked me off the most, Kareem and Darius bothered me too.
I chalked it up to, "Noah's a celebrity so it makes sense," but your explanation of Noah's features opened my eyes.
I feel Myran (sorry if I spelled it wrong) always gets the *short* end of the stick, even in the college episode. I'd like him to get a chance to shine.
This might be playing Devil's Advocate, but I don’t see Noah as a bad guy. That's mainly because we only hear his preferences from other people, by third parties. If the show wants me to view Noah negatively, it should've had Noah state his preferences himself AND in a way where he sounds condescending to black or darker tone girls.
Noah isn’t a bad guy- I actually say he was a mcguffin, cause he ONLY is shown asking Zoey out.
After that he has NO SPEAKING ROLES.
@@battybuddy That's true
What made this very infuriating was the fact that Penny and Dijonney didn't face any kind of negativity or repercussions of their actions. It was like it was ok for them to dis their boyfriends like that and in the end they would still be with them without fuss. Makes me wonder if the tables were turn and the boyfriends were pinning after another girl, Penny and Dijonney would be furious and admonishing them. What makes it worse is apparently they got an apology from Zoey, like they were the ones wronged. In the end they didn't really learn anything.
Also this episode makes me realize something about Zoey. When it comes to her supposed "friends". Apparently she isn't allowed to have a boyfriend or guy interest above her "level". According to her friends Zoey can only be boyfriends with geeks or nerds and no one else. Or else her friends will make a huge stink about it. That is very sad.
Wait, Dijonay has a boyfriend now? I'm surprised they could write a character who can put up with her crap.
These guys shouldn't have been treated this way, but they also shouldn't of gotten back together with them. These girls are just terrible, TERRIBLE people, and don't deserve a second chance.
Why don’t we just let Tony right the show now? He knows and understands what colorism actually is and can represent it properly, I vote Tony rights the show for now on‼️‼️
Edit: I spelled write wrong ooops 😭
I'm ready ‼😅
I think this episode highlights one of current problems with Western media today, and that is making women the victims when men are the ones experiencing the issue. (I'm not saying women don't have problems, just that men's are often ignored.) My mom has seen colorism firsthand at the school she teaches. A boy told her one time he didn't go outside because it made his skin darker. It's tragic.
I feel bad for Myron ngl for season 3 they could either keep him the same(played for jokes) ,have him grow into a more sociable nerd keep him being smart and maybe the Afro but give him some normal glasses and make him lanky(having him glow up) or u can have him feel deeper resentment towards penny her friends expect zoey and develop into a “mask” to hide his pain (like things that make u can also break u)
In summary u can either keep playing him for jokes,have him mature and become more sociable or have him as a dark mirror of sticky I find the latter interesting
Thank you uploading today Tony. I'm so sick of hearing about Diddy 😂. But the girls were TRASH in this episode. Like, not yall acting single cause a light skin brotha walked in. 😂😂😂😂They lucky they boyfriends didn't break up with them. I would've been very disappointed in my daughters if they were penny and dijanay.
Then you got Suga Mama giving Penny validation
It's like they lost all of their common sense and Sidenote: Diddy is done ‼🤐
I love your videos so much! Analyzing media is so fun, and important. As well as an opportunity to learn more about how pervasive certain biases are. Thanks for engaging in such discussions, and getting some wheels turnin'!
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This episode really does read like one of the writer's fantasies or something. Like 'Oh, I'm going try to get with this 'more attractive lightskinned celeb' while I'm *right in front of my boyfriend*, and then I'm going to get peeved when this celeb ends up going for someone else, and I'm going to especially get peeved when they go for my white friend. And everything will just go fine for me!' The whole time it was really reading like the other girls were the 'villains' of this episode, getting really catty with Zoey because of Noah liking her more, and trying to downplay Noah's interest because 'he's only interested in white girls.' And then at the end, where Zoey is the one that has to apologize first and Kareem and Darrius just brush off their girlfriends going crazy over a different guy...Bruh, I'm just shaking my head.
I was waiting for some pushback to happen, some consequences for the girls acting this way, such as Zoey and Noah's relationship actually being pretty okay all things considered or the two boyfriends getting rightfully annoyed with their girlfriends actions. But no. It all gets treated as the girls were doing the right thing, that this was what they were *supposed* to be doing.
I think it shows how the girls are not ready to date or commit to a relationship yet if you ready to drop your boyfriend at a the sight of a “better “ looking male.
After hearing others comment on it, I just watched this episode last week, and I think it might actually be one of the worst episodes of children's television I've ever seen in terms of its execution. It stayed with me, but not in a good way! The disgusting way the girls treated their boyfriends is just one of this episode's many sins. These guys deserve better!
The episode felt like it was really building to a profound, sophisticated message, and then what we actually got was, "It's cool to bully a friend based on a rumor, especially if you can also rationalize your obvious jealousy as a kind of righteous moral outrage" and "If your friends bully you over your choice of significant other, you should dump your significant other to keep your friends."
Penny's and Dijonnaise boyfriends were definitely victims as well but because they were guys it was brushed to the side as if they should get over it and then they are so quick to take their girlfriends back when they come knocking back at their door! If I was them, I would have left Penny and dijonay because it is clear that even though they didn't physically cheat, they wouldn't have hesitated to cheat if the opportunity was given to them based on how they flirty and heavy that they came on Noah.... Yeah not girlfriend material and the fact that they Overlook the fact that they had a boyfriend to get a chance with celebrity just says volumes and I wouldn't even be surprised if they become gold diggers themselves.... Zoey deserves to be with someone who really loves her and cares about her and not just settle for Myron because he is the only boy that will pay attention to her..... Penny never acted like this in the original Proud Family and I think I'm starting to like the original proud family a lot better! Penny actually was nicer and had morals in the original Proud Family! Now she is not so likable. This new Proud family is trash except for the episode where they found out that BeBe has autism. This modernized version of The Proud Family is too woke and not every show needs to have a reboot and I wish this was one of them that they would have left alone! Instead, they could have made them grown up and also without Maya in it. Zoey probably didn't want Myron but had no other choice to be with him because nobody else wanted to be with her and so she settled with Myron.
Honestly if the boys say “Alright since you want him I’ll go with someone else” and leaves them….. I’ll be ok with that.
The episode was just straight up terrible. This episode showed that there is far too much toxic behavior and double standards going on, and honestly Kareem and Darius should have just beoken up with Penny and Dijonay's trifling behinds.
Thank you for this video no one ever mentions when boyfriends are being treated bad by their girlfriends also that you for talking about featurism I finally understand what featurism means now I’ve never had anyone explain to me what that was and I was very confused thank you for educating me on the topic
I follow some of the character designers for the show on IG and they do share character design exploration drafts.
My favorite thing about tv show productions sharing some of their work, is getting to see the concept art. ✨️😌
When the seasons first came out, I immediately followed them too. I liked how they put background stories for each character design choice
featurism is definitely a thing. my family is from mexico, and my moms a light skin and she said everyone would always compliment her skin and tell her to cover it or walk with an umbrella so she wouldn’t get darker. i feel this is a true thing in many ethnicities.
You know, certain people wants to paint Noah in a wrong light for liking white girls more, but doesn't mention the fact that Penny and Dijonay were so ready to ditch their boyfriends for a light skinned boy.
I literally talked to my sister about this episode so bad because it made no sense…I was like what was the lesson nobody learned nothing they just made Zoey feel bad about someone’s else preference and guilt her then talk junk about her while Penny acted as a bystander then tried to be a middle man while not standing up for her friend…like they were so mad at Zoey it was irritating then I was confused on them wanting his attention from him but forgot about the guys they was with
Honestly this is one of the few episodes I've seen where no matter who talks about it, the message doesn't land well.
Colorism is largely an inter-community issue. Someone who is attracted to light skinned people won't automatically date someone who is white because *white* may not be their preference, *light skinned* (insert race) is because they are more than likely attracted to the racial features, but not certain skin tones.
And Noah is such a background character we only get *told* by Maya who heard it from her friend whose a cousin or whatever so who knows if she's even being honest. The episode would have gone a lot better if we were able to actually *see* Noah treating Penny and her friends badly in favor of Zoey when Zoey isn't around instead of them pulling the whole "You're too unattractive for him" because they basically just called her ugly to her face. They weren't concerned for her well being, they were jealous the celeb didn't choose them.
You're right. I didn't think enough about these two boys being brushed off, and I should look at that fact. Are we to believe they not have human emotions like everyone else? That's devastating for a teenage HUMAN, no matter what their circumstances are, no matter boy or girl or a third option or neither. That isn't something I can say is a casual thing at that age. That can and will hurt.
Yeah, this episode was handled so badly! It made Dijonay and Penny look bad. Zoe shouldn't have been treated like that by her friends. If anything her friends owe her an apology. Neither Penny or Dijonay shouldn't have cared as they are already both in relationships.
I hope going forward, if they wish to touch on these real world topics, they handle it better. Also sidenote: Even though the gross sisters are the antagonists, they need to stop calling them ashy! The episode when Penny had the rideshare business, my friend and I picked up on it. Papi made the comment, making me side eye the writing team.
Didn't even waste my energy trying to watch this modern version of the show when i saw "louder & prouder". Saw all the reviews on it and wasnt surprised at all 💀
Kareem should've dropped her for that but I guess as a guy you have to downplay the bs you go thru in the relationship or else you'll be seen as "insecure"
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5:08 characters designers are a different job from animators and storyboarders btw, not a big thing but they are different jobs that different people get hired for
Even within the shows own logic it doesn't work. So Noah only asked Zoey out because she's white, but there are other white girls in the school. There's even a close up to one drooling over Noah who he walks past to get to Zoey.
If Prouder and Louder wanted to tackle Colorism, there are better ways than basing it off o a single person's dating preference. Like maybe Penny and Dijonay accidently get caught up in some sort of trouble at school but Dijonay's the only one who gets punished due to being darker skin or something (admittedly in practice this wouldn't quite work since character-wise Dijonay's fake-friend-ass would have been the one at fault anyway).
What I feel about it is that that friend group around Penny has almost always bee toxic. They hang together and they form their little friend group, but none of those people are ride or die for each other. The minute something more interesting pops up that they want more, they backstab each other and climb over each other to get to the prize.
And it's really weird, actually.
Look, there's this book called Odd Girl Out. It's about female bullying. And one of the things the author discovered when she was studying to write the book was that things play out differently in majority black schools versus majority white schools. If you go to a majority black school, the girls tend to be more open and honest and direct with each other. White girls stab you in the back and undermine you at every turn. Black girls say it to your face.
So the way the friend group behaves seems more like a bunch of white popular girls than regular black friends in a majority black school.
But maybe my view is skewed because I didn't go to a majority Black/Hispanic school, and have only read about it. So maybe I'm not understanding correctly.
Watching this guy made me rewatch a few episodes of Proud Family
🎶These girls ain’t loyal🎶 😂. Jokes aside naw they were petty for sure. Like how the hell they’re acting like they’re single when they got boyfriends. The only thing I can think of is they’re “boyfriends” meaning they’re “with them” but they’re not attached to them and just someone they can go to.
This was just one of the things I hated on this show. If they were all single and just talking to each other then whatever, but for them to be with someone is messed up and shows one of the main issues we have in our society within relationships and it’s very sad.
It would have been much more interesting of they actually gave Noah some more agency where the only liking white girls is just a rumor and a coincidence and the truth was he was just more attracted to nerdy looking girls. The girls made it seem like they were entitled to his attraction because they had the same skin color, which is a whole nother unaddressed issue.
That does sound funny
If anything, the episode is interesting because you have to remember: this is all created and written by a group of mature adults. It's the message they want to show youths that are growing up and likely reflects their views on society and relationships. If we look at the writer of the episode, Kylee Evans, she's a young black creative so the story is from her perspective. It's a flawed perspective but it's interesting seeing what she portrays, blindspots and all. It's more a testament to how little females empathize with the people they label as 'other', to include people of the out-group or males.
8:59 I want them to fix everything😭 and i want them to tackle down periods we need more of those it should be taught to little children especially to young girls
And I want them to have a whole episode about the gross sister and get rid of their ashenes redesign
Like show em their color 😭 not blue
Wow ‼That's a topic I never thought about them doing. With Penny as the main protagonist, that could really be effective if its written well.
It’s sad to see the show doing this after twenty years. It’s not like people weren’t vocal about this for years.
The way how Penny & Dijonay disregarded their boyfriends was tacky and unfair.
Tbh their boyfriends should’ve broke up with them or had a serious conversation because what happens if this situation pops up again?
If the roles were reversed, nobody would stand for that. 😬
3:10 i dunno i feel making him a celebrity was the excuse to make him light skin, so people can make this comparison without addressing it within the characters themselves. and drop it on the viewers like, "here you unpack that"
My least fave episode. They made it seem that Zoey was the ugly friend. The whole comment Lacienga said no one asked u out before. How shock they were that he picked Zoey.
The guys have so much patience. If my bf wanted to go to the dance with someone that isnt me. There is no way I will surprised him with heart shape pizza. I will be too busy looking for new boyfriend
The neglectful behavior of the girls could have been a part of just wanting what everyone else wanted, like if everyone else wanted a candy or game that everyone wanted because it was new. It doesn't mean that they have to ignore what they have. People wonder why people don't feel loved and break up or cheat.
I felt this too whe. I saw this episode. They could have even given the nerdy boy a little make over. Make him look cute like the other boys. To show they were not shaming and mistreating Zoey. Show that there are boys out there who will love her. Because they abandoned their friend after shaming her for something she cannot control.
Great video bro!
Colorist affects everyone. I feel sorry for Penny's and Dijonay's boyfriends. Sheesh.....it goes to show you it's the ignorance. Keep up the amazing work!!!
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@@TonyTurner Anytime bro! 💖
4:45 Now that you describe it the kid in the glasses reminds me in some ways sadly of those offensive caricatures of black people all the cartoons showed when I was growing up in the 50’s and Early 60’s
This brings up a question I had after the episode was over. What was the point of even having Kareem and Darrius in the show to begin with? They barely appear as is, but on top of that, the show also had Penny fawn over that Native boy in the Season 1 Finale not long after she was mad Lacienega was Flirting with Kareem. After his debut, Darrius' only other appearance was this episode, where Dijonay was fawning over another man anyway. He and Kareem weren't even much of a factor in this episode, so why even have them date Penny/Dijonay at all when the show is just gonna have them hit on other men anyway?
Happy good Friday yall hey tony
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Now that you mention it that would have been a better angle for the episode. Have Penny and Dijonay abanonning their darker skinned bfs for a lighter skin man. Have them shown to be wrong and get dumped or have to apologize at least.
Why does no one bring up the fact that Penny pretty much flirted with a Indian boy in the first episode of season two when she clearly had a boyfriend? And why is Penny openly flirting with Noah when she clearly has a boyfriend and so does Dijonay? These two are not going to make good wives in the future if they keep lasting over different males. It’s already bad enough that they are so freaking shallow. OK it’s one thing for teenage girls to fall have over heels for celebrities, but it’s another to work with them.
Penny and Dijonay does not deserve boyfriends if you ask me.
I’m hoping to God that season three will be nothing like season two. Otherwise if there’s more of the colorism BS, then I’m done with the series.
The parents do that too. I mean, I always got annoyed by Trudy talking about male celebrities, but soon as Oscar talks about female celebrities, she’s all glowering at him.
We need to talk about how Maya started this mess, and accepted no responsibility for stirring the pot based solely on rumors.
And it's too bad that is not explain rights the concept of colorism because they want us to ignore the true aspect of colorism but in The proud family there colorism but Disney does not want to address it they want to distract their audience 0:01
They think that we are idiots that we're not dumb enough to know what colorism is so they want to throw everything in our faces like we are some foolish people that we don't know the true definition of colorism so they want to change definition of colorism so this is why they rewrite and they name this episode colorism in The proud family reboot 0:01
All I know is this...
If I was zoe and heard my friends call me ugly and "becky with the red hair", I would have DROPPED all of them whether they apologized or not.
Would’ve been interesting to see how Sticky would’ve felt about this situation, but Orlando went off the deep end
One thing I can give with the Proud Family continuation is that it allowed Penny and Dijonay to have boyfriends although with the Light Skin Boy, I don't understand why Penny and Dijonay be swooning over him when they have boyfriends.
I still think the idea of bringing colorism is a good thing in theory although the execution is just a bit one-sided since, in real life, Black-Americans tend to treat each other with some hostility when it comes to racial coupling as one side will get mad at the other being with men/women of different racial background yet some of these people would do the same thing.
I think that's the thing with some of my grips with this show, it presents stuff that could be good to explore, especially within the Black community and its problems bc I know the community tends to be hypocritical at times yet it kind of lands itself flat.
And this backlash is usually laced with sexism, as it usually comes from fathers to their daughters.
I think for Noah they should of just made him like Zoey simply because he found her beautiful and have everyone assume it was because shes white, it's a lot of black men and teens that deal with the accusation of us dating outside our race because we don't like people our color vs us genuinely liking someone that just so happens to be another color.
The Girls are Triflin'.
Zoe needs better friends, and take Kareem with her.
Will they, won't they - they'd be better friends to each other.
This episode could’ve been a 2 parter with 1 part being the female 2nd part dealing with the boys disrespect & the girls learning from this
It’s like the episode was written by two different people who didn’t communicate with each other on the episode: a good writer and a bad writer with two very different ideas for this episode. The bad writer won.
A better conclusion would have focused on the boys and how they felt after being ditched or Zoey exposing the fact that they have boyfriends and venting her insecurities. They could have made something good with this episode.
Honestly? I don't even think it's wrong for Noah to only like white girls as long as he wasn't putting down anybody. And of course they didn't highlight the colourism from the girls because they don't care for the boys in this show. Their kinda plot devices/eye candy
The problem is that they didn't really show Noah being colorist. They broke the "Show don't tell" rule in writing. We have the characters telling us he's a colorist but we're never shown it. We're just supposed to be against Noah because Maya's cousin's friend's neighbor heard from someone else he only likes white girls. That's not a reliable source. If the episode showed Noah saying some colorist things like "I don't like dark skins" or "Black women are ugly" it would make more sense. Especially if he said some of it to Zoe. Then we would know for SURE that Noah is a colorist and so the girls have good reason to be mad. And it would give the girls a valid reason to be mad at Zoe. If Zoe heard Noah talking down on black women/poc women and continued to date him it would convey that she is complicit. So then she would have something to apologize for. But with the way the episode was written, it just has the girls are be upset their ego's got bruised, use s Noah's alleged colorism to attack Zoe and make themselves feel better over being rejected for their "Ugly white friend", and Zoe is being made to apologize to her so called "friends" who mistreated her.
@Lunella08 The girls shouldn't have been interested in him either. Because that's a whole separate issue of women throwing themselves at or pining after men who don't want them or don't find them attractive. So they shouldn't have wanted him, they should have just been victims to his colorist speech/treatment(well probably Dijonay and Maya cause Penny is lightskinned and realistically would fall into most colorist preferences visually) then Zoe should have ignored them telling her how he treated them claiming they were jealous of her and trying to break them apart(not understanding that someone black can even be prejudice towards people of their own race) only for him to say some colorist shit in front of her thinking she'd be cool with it only for her to reject him and his ideology and for her to apologize to her friends for not believing them and not understanding that was a thing. That would preserve Zoes character in not making her complicent to colorism while also making a teachable momment about how it exist and affects people. Zoe as a white character can still learn something and be "wrong" without meaning to hurt anyone and without the narrative trying to convince the audience into thinking she was wrong when she didn't do anything wrong.
@@vianjelos Nad they could have easily done something like this you know. There was a part where Noah politely asked them to move out of the way so that the can talk to Zoe. Instead of that he could have made some kind of face or colorist statement that Zoe didn't hear because she wasn't paying attention. That could have given the message they where trying to tell.
@@xdustyx2982 Which is what's frustrating because they didn't even try. The original show was better written and would have handled this much better.
@@vianjelos Completely agree.
Penny also was disloyal to Kareem in the first episode of season two.
You know i now ship noah x zoey in a fanon where he's slandered for being colorist and becomes zoey's regular girlfriend. The second colorist episode would be about the divide between darker and lighter skinned black people. Maybe noah gets picked for a role over a dark skin fellow actor and this causes controversy even he wants to avoid but it explodes.
Fun fact in the america's colorism was initially introduced as a move like blood quantum in the states. Instead of losing rights because of how much blood is in your system. Raza Cósmica is a philosophy where the native people of mexico and the americas and the spaniards could form a powerful celestial hybrid race.(Catholic priests always wildin) Of course they made the distinction that the lighter of skin the better the cosmic mix like people are tarnished and untarnished metals.
Closer to the capitals the lighter mixes became more evident and as you go further out it gets way more complexionally diverse. Since it wasnt so systemic instead of zoos and reserves it developed into "im not black" or "im not mixed" in other countries in the central/southern americas where the ratio is clearly way more afro than spaniard because of the trafficking of African people during colonization blanket state wants in these regions are never welcomed when it comes to background but where people come off as embarrassing is when they reject a whole time period and people of their countries because a mental perception of illegitimacy
It is quite the incredible flop the writers did in this episode. The actual colorism happening, the girls rejecting their boyfriends and they just taking it because Noah is apparently "SOOO CUTE", its sad to see and just like Zoey, they that did nothing wrong, had to reach out for the girls to notice them, being their second pick over a light skinned, racist, celebrity boy.
They shouldn't have taken Penny and Dijonay to the dance after the crap they pulled. I'd expect this from Dijonay, but I expect better from Penny.
I agree, if i was lucky enough to be in a relationship with someone who was so nice to me I wouldn't be able to look them in the eyes if I did something like what these girls did.
One thing i dont understand is why they dont say anything anything about the short guy that has a crush on her. How come that us okay but not this?
Tony, do you think the episode might have been somewhat redeemed if Noah had been darker skin instead? That way, it didn't come off as Penny and co preferring a lighter skinned boy? Obviously, the episode is bad regardless for how it treated Zoey. But do you think it could have been slightly better with this change?
Had Noah been a dark skinned character, it wouldn't have looked so colorist on Penny and Dijonay's behalf but it would've still made them look bad. I feel like the writers and animators know the kind of look that is deemed "most" attractive so they chose that for Noah's design
@@TonyTurner well I agree with your past videos that this show itself is def guilty of colorism regarding character designs.
Wild, since they had no problem with Zoey and Myron. Myron is black and so is Noah, yet there was no problem with Myron since he's a NERD. Thus no one else is attracted to him in any way, so it was fine. The so called message of this episode was just awful they were trying to make. Legit all the girls in this episode including Penny is just awful. Honestly Penny been getting on my nerves in the series being almost self entitled brat at times. She's no different than the awful friends she so willingly keep company.
Not looking at this series anymore much less the next season as it's just awful. There's really a political message throughout this series as well as putting down dark skinned brothers along with showing how horrible these POC girls are. Makes me wonder if they did it on purpose, but doubtful. It's not like the satire and exaggeration the Boondocks does showing what's actually wrong in black culture as well as making fun of it.
This fact also really made the “heartfelt scenes,” with Penny talking to her mom and Sugar Mama just fall flat to me.
Penny acting like.
“Why didn’t the hot new guy go for me?”
And the two of them are like.
“Oh sweetie, if he can’t see how special you are then it’s his loss.”
When they should have said:
“Girl, don’t you already got a boyfriend?!”
It feels like the episode was written by toxic side chicks
The definition of undermining
I know I know this has nothing to do with the issue at hand but... I only now noticed that Darius is like the only character (at least from the main cast) that has dark/Black pupils.