If the original series didn't have a single positive episode that focused on Zoey, I highly doubt that this reboot will do that either. The only episode that somewhat focused on Zoey was "Penny Potter" when Suga Mama's sister, Spice, tricks Zoey into thinking that she is special. The main purpose of that episode was regarding Suga Mama and Spice. Future reboot episodes will continue to have Zoey in the background or her using her "magic White privilege" to help her so-called friends.
@@digimonalvatrax2738 I honestly wouldn't want Michael as a friend based on his actions in this episode. It's cool that Michael is queer and into guys, but he also got mad at Zoey because Noah was into her. I highly doubt that Disney/Proud Family is ready to have two queer youth in a show (especially dating), so Noah would never ask him out to begin with. Michael in this episode makes it seem like he will get mad at the girl if she is asked out instead of him.
Zoey feels like a whipping girl. She's constantly body-shamed and put down for no reason, despite being the only one of Penny's friends who isn't toxic or selfish.
I feel like everyone in this show is the whipping character. I think the only people who don't get dragged through the muck is Sunset, Papi, Trudy and the twins, and of course the non-recurring or non-regular characters.
@@oliviacooper2702 Yeah, she's more of the follower type. I've noticed that a lot of the "follow the leader" type characters like Zoey are mostly always the butt of a joke.
@@dryfox11 It's just a joke abt how red haired people have been viewed to have pacts with demons and that's why their hair is red like fire (hellfire, in that sense)
I love proud family but I didn’t like how they treated Zoey in that episode. Like they weren’t even happy for her when a guy asked her out since no one likes her since she’s not pretty, but i hated how she had to apologize to them like she didn’t do anything? They should be the the one apologizing. (Sorry if my grammar isn’t that great)
Tbh, if they had done that episode better, MAYBE they could've made the point they wanted to? Like, let's say the girls are actually excited for Zoey, and want to hang out with her and her new boyfriend, but he's immediately disrespectful to all them for no reason. It could've actually been interesting to see Zoey having to choose between her friends (who are being GOOD friends in this version), and a guy who's obviously an asshole, but is validating her. She'd be in the wrong, so they could still have their colorism/misogynoir teaching moment, but also explore why a low self esteem can lead nice people to date assholes. Idk, your comment just got me thinking about how they could've fixed it. Honestly, one of the biggest issues with this show is that the friends really don't act friendly with each other.
Not to mention some of the girls who were going after Zoey for that are already in a relationship with two other guys; I believe it was Dijonay and Penny? You've seen them how they reacted when the dude showed up, they literally started acting like they were still single!
“We shouldn’t treat people based on the color of their skin but by the content of their character” - Martin Luther King Jr. He would’ve been appalled by this show.
So the dude isn’t allowed to have a preference to begin with? They literally ARE jealous that she got asked out. It’s not her fault someone has a preference and she fit that preference. Classic getting mad at the girl instead of the man (even though they shouldn’t even be mad at him either!)
Well I mean, there’s a difference between preference and a fetish. Dating a girl cus you think her glasses are cute? A bit petty, but it’s a preference. Dating a girl cus of her race? Fetish.
Yeah, things like this have always annoyed me. While I get the point they were (very poorly) attempting to make, there’s also the fact that people have preferences. What if he didn’t like white girls, but Asian girls instead? What if he only liked girls taller than him? Girls with freckles, are shorter than him, or have a deep voice… these are all just preferences. It’s only bad if it goes beyond who he’s willing to date. If at some point she wanted to hang out with Penny and the gang but he stopped her “just ‘cause” (actually because of their color) then that would go into actual racism. Refusing to even associate with people who don’t have his preferred traits is a problem, not dating those people is a choice. I wish they actually had a scene that established that, instead of just having Zoey confirm something that ultimately didn’t mean anything. (After all, none of them were actually single anyways.)
They could’ve went more into it, there’s a difference between fetishization and preferences. Maybe they could’ve shown them dating and he keeps on pointing out stereotypes of white girls.
I thought it would be that he was into tall girls but no they really made an insecure girl feel worse about herself it looked more like bullying than anything
@@TonyTurner I suppose that's the harm of not having a different opinion in the room or at the very least not acknowledging it by many who thought this looked good
@@TonyTurnerInteresting fact: According to a Slashfilm interview, Ralph Farquhar apparently pitched this episode and it was the only pitch that "got uncomfortable laughs", and it was "so uncomfortable" that they moved it from being a season 1 episode to season 2 during production.
This is exactly why I don't like the reboot Proud Family, because it's focused on race in the wrong way. Yes, Black people have their own issues in regard to race today, but it doesn't mean that they are always the victim in each situation (they can easily be the oppressor). Racial issues can't be solved by making White people feel guilty for their race. Static Shock (Sons of the Fathers) and That's So Raven (True Colors) handled race very well since they focused on the individual White person that was racist and didn't promote white guilt. They demonized Barry for being a cop and didn't use his "magic White powers" to stop the police + demonized Zoey for dating a Black guy without their permission.
Those shows did it right and most importantly it was not done in the way to make white people feel like villains or feel guilty I’m like proud family. This is exactly why I hate when she does try to tackle racism because it’s always so focused on trying to make white people feel guilty for things that are not their fault whether it’s distant descendants or some like that. And I just cringe when Randall mention white privilege.
@@Symphonia30 The shows I mentioned also did it right because they actually *explain* what the issue was and why the White person is wrong. Sean (Richie's dad) says racist things and is rude towards Virgil + his dad, and he was held accountable for his actions. Virgil doesn't blame Richie for his dad's actions and viewpoints. Chloe (manager) outright says she doesn't hire Black people and got fired for her actions.
Yeah, and this episode just seems to send the message to always believe rumors instead of just asking the person the rumors concern, what's really going on. Way to make people with insecurities paranoid, writers!
The colorism episode was so genuenly vague that you can argue that Noah wasnt colorist, he just had a type. There were many conventionally attractive white girls in the school, like the one he gets with at the end, but he ignored them and qent for Zoey especifically despite her being considered unattractive. Why? Because her skin wasnt the reason he chose her, he saw her as someone that didnt care for his celebrity status, someone who wouldnt hesitate to be honest with him. Thats what hes true type is. You can also argue that the only reason he moved on so quickly was to save face, since he was alone at the dance. Even if Noah was into black girls, he still wouldnt pick aany of them because they all threw themselves at him the moment he walked into the school. Hell, two of them have boyfriends already, why would Noah want someone who doesnt hesitate in cheating the moment someone with better status shows up?
This video made me look back and realize I was actually bullied for being a white girl when I was little. I pretty much had only POC friends, and being autistic, I didn't understand racism for the longest time. Yet some of those friends called me race/gender specific names as if it was a funny joke. A joke that hurt. I actually ended all my friendships after being SA by one of those friends. It didn't make sense to me then. I didn't understand. I still don't entirely understand. I only started to heal when I made friends with a Cambodian girl who didn't care about my appearance. She liked that I laughed at her jokes and it went from there. She loved sharing her food and culture, and I loved experiencing it. She was my best friend for years. I miss her.
I'm sorry that happened to you. People who SA their own friends should be condemned as terrorists. But I'm glad you have a new friend. I wish you the happiest life. 🙏🏻
I hate those 2 episodes, ESPECIALLY the “colorism” episode…Zoey did NOTHING wrong, she was just simply existing, and just so happened to have a popular guy be attracted to her. I believe the writers should’ve had Noah say colorist things to show he was colorist. But to literally have the girls sit there, and call him colorist for simply being attracted to that one “goofy white friend” of the group doesn’t right well with me at all…
Exactly. They could have made him look at the darker girls with disgust or say something about how light skin is better. Without any of that it just looked like Zoey's friends were jealous and wanted to shut that crap down. In the show all we have to go off of is literal rumors "i heard he only likes white girls" is not a substantial amount of evidence to justify the girls behavior, even if there were evidence, why demonize Zoey?? Then to make things worse, when the nerdy poc boy comes in to dance with Zoey, all of a sudden nobody accused him of only liking white girls. It rubbed me the wrong way, especially since all the girls were attracted to the boy that they said only likes white girls Just came off as a jealous girl group shutting down their friends dance date bc of a rumor
@@oceancoral557 THANK YOU!! That’s exactly what that whole “episode” was about. The girls being catty, and jealous for no reason, other than to “humble” Zoey. Literally making her feel bad for something that is completely out of her control. I’m not even gonna talk about Penny and Dijonay, because it’ll just upset me even more. It’s just disappointing how the writers took an important topic and completely fumbled it
@chickensalad3535 Yeah. "Ohh... but black ppl can't be racist"... Um yes they can! If you discriminate against someone who is black, white, Hispanic, Asian etc that is racism. Period. Plus you can't change the color of the you were born with
It really is amazing how 2 of Zoey's friends have boyfriends and yet fixate on a boy liking her. If the genders were reserved Penny and L would be in a lot of trouble if they were guys.
I would have been happy if the guy was zoey's permanent boyfriend who liked geeky girls and that rumor he only liked white girls was started by a bitter ex to spite him.
And had it ended with when the boyfriends spills the beans of that rumor, (maybe also exposing that ex for how spiteful they are) Zoey's friends were left with no words and now were the ones Expected to apologize to her, while she and the boy go on a hangout together.
And could add that maybe it isn't exactly that he into nerdy girls, but that he wanted to be with someone who isn't inmediately fawning over him, either for being conventionally attrctive or for being the popular kid.
I feel like the idea that he only dates white girls doesn't dismiss the fact he chose Zoey specifically. There's plenty of white girls in the school who would be seen as more conventionally attractive (not that she's even actually unattractive, just that the show itself seems to have a bias against lanky girls or features the creators see as nerdy). He didn't go to those other white girls in the school who likely could also have. He went to Zoey. Meaning there had to be something about her that made him target her specifically.
Honestly they could have had that guy be the episodes villain and have him pick out Zoey because she would be "easy" given a nerdy girl like her is desperate to get attention from a guy like him
I was thinking the same thing, like to them, they were the ones who were only seeing race, if he had chosen any one of them, they wouldn't have cared as much, but because it was zoey, they had a problem
If I remember right, he said that he wanted to have a normal high school experience or something like that. Zoe was the only girl in the cafeteria who ignored him and didn't squeal or throw herself at him. That could have been a perfectly good reason for him to be attracted to her. He saw someone who didn't just want to get with a celebrity.
IKR and this is on a kids network as well! I remember when Disney channel shows had episodes where characters were relatable and got themselves into crazy situations, and not everything was about politics and social issues. They snuck a few political references in there, but they were so subtle and the kids were more focused on the actresses floral print high top converse and ombre faded jeans than focused on what they were saying, like the outfits were just as cute as the stories!
Unfortunately, even if you're trying to address bigotry or inequality, reversing roles is often a lot easier than deconstructing the bigoted/unequal worldview in the first place. It's a pretty common fallacy to fall into the first time someone explores a topic, but it has to be a FIRST step in deconstructing that bigoted worldview, not an end goal
They treat Zoey like she's only worthy of being their friend if she thinks and acts like she's inherently beneath them. They clearly didn't care that Noah was only into white girls because he was never punished for it. They cared that Zoey had something they didn't think she deserved, because they wanted it. The message of that episode was horrendously botched.
"Do something with your white privilege" is insane, like what? Barry is gonna sailor moon , magical white savior transform into Kendall Jenner or smth 💀💀💀
What would’ve saved that episode is if a “white woman” Would say welcome to my role or something, and then say unlike all of you wee white women no advantage we are treated like objects, and thrown away
Yes but that character is so delusional that you can hit her with logic and reality and shell still look at things with rose colored glasses. Theyll never change Dijonay kas shes a running gag
I think it kinda was pointed out in the original? Like some of Penny's actions makes you think she knows Dijonay is a bad friend, but still feels the need to be friends with her. I know from experience its hard to stop being friends with people, even if they're toxic
Especially since white people aren't some amorphous blob with superpowers and the ability to make everyone bend to their will. The Irish were the punching bags of America for decades, yet no-one has to feel potato guilt towards them. I mean according to this show, all white people are the same somehow and have the exact same amount of guilt they should feel at all times, even if they're refugees or homeless. Honestly feels like the writers have never met a white person before.
To quote Tobias from the Boondocks. “You know what I’m sick of. You two blaming the white man for everything. The white man this, the white man that. You’ll never get anywhere with that attitude.”
What sucks the most for me personally being white is that I'm also Jewish. I never had ancestors that owned slaves, but I get lumped in with the majority because of the color of my skin. I lost over half my family to Nazis during WWII and it's hard to think about sometimes. I remember being in school and going to a Holocaust Museum where my peers just laughed at some of the Jewish heritage items that were there. I've been bullied relentlessly for being Jewish, but I still have to suffer the whole thing with, "Well you're white so it's obvious your family must have owned slaves at one point." My people were massacred, experimented on, turned into slaves, cremated in ovens (which I was made fun of for as well), and to this day still have to suffer from the likes of Holocaust deniers, antisemitism, and all kinds of other hate. Are we a perfect people? No. But no one is. It makes topics like this so difficult because I don't feel like I'm even allowed to talk about it due of backlash I could get for daring to speak my mind. I'm not trying to downplay what blacks and other races go through, but I am trying to explain that you cannot judge every white person for the fact that they're white. I don't like the Proud Family or its reboot (they just aren't my cups of tea), but I would love to see an episode that explores Jewish hate and the pain we share with others. Also an episode that's about unifying together from shared pain between different races rather than just going and focusing only on one and demonizing another just because some of their ancestors made horrible choices. Just overall equality would be beautiful.
I agree with you. My grandpa on my mom's side came from Polish immigrants, and my Nonna on my dad's side came form Italian immigrants. Also, my grandma on my mom's side lived in New Castle, Pennsylvania (a small area near Pittsburgh) and her family were hard works with a family of kids. Her grandpa was also growing up poor and raised chickens. Nobody owned slaves in my family, I wish people wouldn't assume that all white people were slave owners. Also, the white people in today's world don't have anything to do with the choices their ancestors made.
I'm in a very similar boat to you. My grandparents on my mother's side were Hungarian Jews and lost everyone to the Holocaust, then fled to Canada to escape Soviet occupation. While I fortunately haven't experienced too much antisemitism, my mother has, and to this day remains very closed off about her heritage. On my father's side, my family comes from the island of Barbados. My grandfather and grandmother were poor and came to Canada because some of their family successfully immigrated. They had to work hard to get to a comfortable position of living where they could raise kids happy and healthy. As for myself, I have autism (formerly asperger's syndrome), so I have lost many opportunities that most people would take readily because I know I could not handle the pressure. At my current job, I actually had to fight for the right to take less money for less work. Just because my family and I are white doesn't mean that we don't have our own hardships, or that we are inherently racist, etc. Every person is an individual and has an individual story, with highs and lows, loss and love. We should be trying to build bridges with these shared emotions rather than building walls because of hate and prejudice.
Im not trying to disrespect all you’ve went through or your struggles at all but personally I wouldn’t consider Jews white all Jews are descendants of the 12 tribes of Judah which was in the Middle East I think Jews are just white passing and this is not saying that white people don’t go through or went through oppression discrimination or racism at all I would never disrespect what people went through
as a black person I'm sorry people treated u like that just because you were Jewish and white Jewish people been through so much discrimination just as black people have
I just didnt understand why they got mad at Zoey for the boy having a white girl preference. Shouldn’t they take issue with him? If Zoey turned him down, he probably just would have asked a different white girl to go out.
That reminds me of the fact that women are usually to blame for men's actions (ex. cheating husband? Automatically blame the mistress, even if she legitimately didn't know he was married. Additionally, if a man cheats on his wife it's because his wife did something to drive him away).
I reckon more-classically-attractive people aren't expected to apologize to less-classically-attractive people for getting more dates, for example, so I don't see the point of apologizing to people who didn't get picked by someone with a bias, kink, or preference.
My main problem with the slavery episode, other then how they treated Barry, is that they live in California. A state that had no slaves, in fact, judges ruled in favor of freeing slaves more when people brought them to the state and the slave sued for freedom. How can a city in slave free state be founded on slave plantation? Edit:It has been drawn to my attention and through more research, there were slave owners keeping their slaves in the mountain area of the state during the civil war. I am sorry for an possible misunderstanding that could have happened through this. But even with this information, it does not make the episode better for how they treat it and pushing the idea of white guilt and privilege.
hey that's a good point ,I didn't even take the state into acount. i KIND of forgot what state they even lived in and have avoided this cruddy reboot they made. But your right this makes literaly no since that a slave owner would have founded a town in a slave free state.
I don't think claiming California didn't have any slave is historically accurate. When Californian was still under Spanish rule, some Natives were slaves of Spaniards.
@@BroJo676 I was speaking of the time they were bringing up, the mid 1800, after they ceoded from Mexico.. If we include all human history, then I'm sure natives could have had slaves too.
@@BroJo676 Well if you want to get technical then technicaly native americans in historyt have actualy wared against each other, genecided each other, and enslaved each other. some even commited casnablism which not only can they confirm but hey literaly have folk lores about that soer of evil and it predates europeans showing up. But I think the point here is. Black slave plantations weren't in California. And NATIVe Americans don't count as Black. infact their were native tribes guilty of taking Blacks as slaves too. and even whites as slaves. Slavery isn't all that black and white when it comes to race. you know. The africans even captured each other and enslaved each other. and that's how the Atlantic slave trade actualy got it's slaves, because Africa is full of diseases that would have killed europeans. and the kind of guns they had back then would not have been all that useful againstafrican wild life since you have take time to load a barrle with powder. Guns were a lot more complicated and convoluted back then.
Hell literally I think the most fastest country that banned slavery which slavery happened every where and all colors did it hell there were black owners that were rich that were by white owners who had slaves even would be watcher to see if any slaves be out of line but anyways the country is called maurtina 2007 was when goverment was pressured by its own people get it where slav owners get prosecuted but in 1981 was when it abolished slavery yet slave owners wouldn't be charged until liek I said 2007
This friend group is literally SO toxic. They constantly say how nerdy she is, how skinny she is, how goofy her braces are, how she will never have a boyfriend because she’s nerdy…. They LITERALLY are just jealous and treat her so bad and the fact they try to turn it into a race thing is awful. And I hate how they get mad at Barry for not IMMEDIATELY being upset about his uncle and then they act like he was the one who contributed to his uncle’s actions… it’s not right. And to blame him for something he didn’t even do is messed up.
It reminds me of the concept of Three-generational punishment from North Korea. Making someone that had nothing to do with the given crime still pay for it. It's insanity.
love how if you actually pay attention to the episode it's implied the main reason noah even noticed zoey out of the sea of "pretty white girls" he could have went for wasn't the colorist narrative penny and her friends concocted out of maya's instigating ass rumor and jealously it was the fact that zoey treated him like a regular human being when all of the other students were all up on him and he himself just wanted a normal highschool experience ... to be liked for who he was not just his good looks. obviously they didn't like that he paid more attention to her than them and noticed a "pattern" with all of his previous dates skin complexions so they dogpiled this innocent girl for something ENTIRELY out of her control, made HER apologize and essentially told her she's ugly and no guy would like her for anything else other than her skin tone anyways because they couldn't fathom someone actually liked her for her and that is beyond fucked of a message to send. this show loves to preach and preach from a soapbox with no actual literacy in the history of its message while fumbling episode after episode where they could have compelling storytelling about the issues that impact our communities.
What made the Zoe situation even worse, was Noah walked passed several other white girls who would be considered more "attractive" than Zoe, and better for his "image" if he was just going to public school and going to date a "normal" girl for a publicity stunt, yet he chose her. IIRac, Penny, Dijonay, Micheal, and LaCi were happy for her until Maya opened her big mouth with the whole "my cousin said XYZ". And then at the end of the episode, Maya has the balls to say "This is why us girls gotta stick together", like the writers completely forgot that Maya started this whole situation by running her mouth. 😂😅 Like imagine if they had found out Noah was just dating Zoe for a publicity stunt, which was kind of hinted as to why he wanted to go to a public school in yhe first place. But we dont see Zoe or Noah's PoV in yhe episode, we just see Penny's. -_-
White privilege is when I go into a store, it doesn’t cross my mind that someone might think I’m stealing something. That people will treat me like I’m not supposed to be somewhere. Sometimes, it’s simply being ignored. And not having to fear for my life when I see red & blue lights. I do not feel guilty. I can’t control what my ancestors did. I control myself; and I try my hardest to make sure that I treat everyone with the same respect as I want them to treat me. And I vote.
The slavery episode also doesnt make sense since it was in california a free stste unde mecican rule until 1850 and it depicts southern plantation slavery. And the fact that barry is a descendant of the founder even though he and his family just moved there.
@tonemaster4608 this. The story could make more sense if Maya's family visited a plantation for a family reunion in Barry's hometown which is in the south and he's the founder of the town. And she has mixed feelings about her adopted ancestor being a former slave owner. Also the emily could be spiced up accusations she had a child with Smith to reflect the debate with jefferson and his relationship with Sally hemings.
Hooo... How to unpack this: Mexico's abolition of slavery dates back to its own war for independence, even had a black president. It chose to remain a free state despite being adopted into the United States. If you notice on the map of the lower 48, you'll see that weird line all the way through the US up until it hits Nevada, which was the old border of the California territory. That line is the divisive line that went between slave and free state. Anything above that after a certain date could only be free states. Anything below it, only slave states.
A great uncle isn't far enough back for someone to have owned slaves. That guy looks about 40- 50, A great uncle would have been a WWII generation. You'd have to go back about 2 more generations for someone to have owned slaves.
And if you KNEW your great, great, great, great uncle was wealthy enough to have had a town named after him, wouldn't you expect he might have owned some slaves if that was legal in the state?
I haven't seen the episode, but I don't believe that Zoey should've apologized. I mean, what was the full apology? "I'm sorry for not knowing that the new guy only dates white girls." I know that I've said this before, but if the rumor said that he only dates Asians, the girls would automatically hate the Chang triplets more than they hated Zoey. Yes, it started with Maya saying "I heard he's into white girls." The keyword/phrase here is "I heard", this whole blind hatred started over a rumor. The OG series already made an episode about why it's bad to spread rumors.
@@tonemaster4608 The word "woke" is overused, and mostly used against people who want human rights (nothing is wrong with progressiveness and things being inclusive, our society would have never advanced if we never changed lol) . I'm pretty sure the creators aren't "woke" since their way of thinking is super closeminded
@@Iwantakrabbypatty The word "woke" isn't meant to be referring to people who are simply trying to be progressive, it's specifically referring to tone-deaf virtue-signalers who only add to the problems they claim to stand against. Technically speaking, these writers definitely count as "woke" for the simple fact that they think they're doing something progressive when they're doing the exact opposite. I agree that it's overused, but just because people started misapplying the word to progressiveness as a whole doesn't mean that's its actual definition now.
@@EagleTimberWolfYup. That’s how I define “wokeness”. Nothing wrong with diversity at all. All I want is well written characters. I love the original Proud Family. I have never seen the reboot and the things I have heard about it make me not want to watch it.
poor Zoey. Being a teenage girl is hard enough, being a teenage girl with an akward body shape, akward height, glasses, braces, and an akward personality is even harder, trust me. I WAS a Zoey in high school. The only difference was that Zoey is tall and gangly, I’m short and built like a brick. Imagining an attractive guy choosing you over everyone else who you feel looks better than you, was literally my exact fantasy. Penny and her friends treating Zoey like this is so horrible because every time they stand against Zoey it’s like they’re calling her “ugly” and “unlovable”. Kind of an “ewwww why would he pick you?! Stop being delusional.” Type beat. GOD FORBID he actually is attracted to her. Nooooo he MUST have an ulterior motive.
I think it’s weird how the show’s main characters are so goofy and cartoonish looking, but the new added side characters are drawn with more realistic detail and behave more seriously. The contrast is weird
So funny story. My family actually does have a slave owner in it. He was famous for signing the succession papers of South Carolina. But you know what? I don’t care about him. He isn’t me and he’s so far removed from my family that I don’t care. What he did was messed up of course it was, but that is his issues not mine. I’m not gonna carry around a man’s guilt especially not one I don’t agree with when it comes to his morality.
I hate how they got mad at zoey for being asked out even though they had boyfriends like what?! Not only are you putting your own friend down but there also trying to leave there boyfriend
You are easily one of the smartest people I’ve heard on this topic. You’re absolutely correct in that you don’t have to downplay one peoples’ struggles to show another’s. I saw a political comic from the early 1900’s that said “It’s not about white power or black power, but worker’s power!”
10:18 About that scene, I have something to say. That scene baffles me because I sincerely doubt white privilege would do anything. You see, white supremacy has an emphasis on "traditional gender roles", which is why its supporters love the nuclear family unit. In fact, I remember stories about the KKK going after queer people not too long ago. Hell, queer people have a history of being victims of police brutality and violence as well and still experience all of that today. So this scene bothered me because it felt ignorant about struggles outside of racism and even how different groups actually have common enemies.
@@MattEldritchHorror Well, Wizard Kelly does benefit from a lot of white billionaires. That's how he got his fame and fortune from being a basketball player.
Def more appropriate for a children's cartoon, honestly this show crosses a line where it isn't even humor and is just straight racism and shouldn't even be in an adult animation
That would've been a much healthier message to put in a kid's show. Just show us Noah on his phone with his mom gushing about how he finally found someone who treats him like he's normal and actually talks to him instead of fawning over him like he's a trophy they want to own. Imagine how much that would've humanized him while also telling the audience, "Sometimes people make things up about celebrities and you shouldn't trust everything you hear." Which, you know, is a thing? And not a new thing, either.
The biggest thing is show don’t tell. The new Proud Family tells instead of showing. Show don’t tell is very important when writing anything political. Otherwise it comes off as unsettling or preachy or hamfisted and people will dismiss the message easily. Parasite didn’t tell us that there’s economic inequality. It showed us through things like the rainstorm (where the rich family said the rain was pretty and the poor family’s home got flooded and destroyed). A lot of these episodes could have been saved by show don’t tell.
@@TonyTurner It's not always about subtleness. You can be overt as well. As long as you show your message. This is why the segregation episode in 2003 hit hard. It starts off with Penny and her friends asking why they need to learn about black history (something a lot of people ask today) and then SHOWS us why it's important to remember what people went through so it doesn't happen again. If some of these episodes SHOWED us more of the impacts instead of telling us (like sending them back in time to the foundings of the town, showing the South's economy being reliant on slaves and newly freed slaves' struggles after being freed, showing Zoey finding out that the actor is fetishizing her for her race and how she feels about it, etc) they could have easily made these episodes into something impactful and teach a much-needed message. Many of these episodes suffer from lazy or bad writing and it's a real shame because these are important messages.
In terms of Barry, for some reason all the slavery was mysteriously wiped from the history of the town (which is not how that works - we all know slavery existed), and so he's being told by his young daughter something that goes against what he has been told his whole life by not only his family, but the whole town. He is married to a black man, and has black children. He has surely had discussions about racism before with Randall. Randall yelling at him for his gut reaction to new and contradictory information like Barry has been unaware of racism this whole time is perplexing. I do think if I were Barry, I wouldn't have been that surprised to find out an ancestor was a slave owner because... yeah, I'm sure some of them were. But I think if the situation were real, they would have talked calmly a bit longer before handing him a book and a page number like they've been waiting for him to slip up.
honestly (coming from an asian) just imagine if this situation was reversed and zoey was black and all the other girls was white, like could you imagine the backlash the show would have gotten???
The problem with when people talk About slavery is they act like white Europeans invented it but that's not true literally every country had slavery in fact before the Atlantic slave trade there was a period of time where North Africans where capturing and enslaving white Europeans the only unique thing the Europeans brought to slavery was when Britain was the first country to abolishe it This isn't to downplay or justify European slavery but to act like white people are at fault for slavery even when the term slave came From the fact of the high amount of white slaves that became slave's and it was something done in every corner of the world since the beginning of human civilization is just wrong
But the problem is no one does their history homework, and schools never go past the black slavery part, hell they even teach kids white people captured them, when in reality, almost every black slave was sold by other black people, don't forget Africa is the second deadliest place in the world, because of the animals, there's no way people with no experience we're gonna make it in that place, they couldn't even go past the beach
That is the thing!! Everyone goes after the US mainly for it! But not Haiti or any other Southern American or Caribbean areas! And while it was still very wrong, they were treated mod like cattle and less like disposable usage along with only having 5% coming in! Also the Africans that lived in Africa were the sellers with Europeans the buyers! Yet the US gets the whole blame!
@@kingoffire105 don't forget about the Barbary states to which an entire war was fought. Twice. And was the reason why the Navy and the Marines were created. No, like literally. First line of the Naval Creation Act of 1794.
As a white person, white guilt is feeling bad for something you didn't do. And potentially your ancestors didn't even do. But it was bad. And there's apparently nothing you can do to fix the fact that people who looked like you 150 years ago were unethical assholes. And because they were bad people, the world is unfair and wealth and opportunity were unevenly distributed. So I'm going to handle the Juneteenth episode first since I think it ties better into the history question. Maya's father is, in part, being held guilty for the sins of, not his direct ancestors, but a "great uncle." (And just to be clear, I'm about the same age as her dad now, and a great uncle is, generation-wise, equivalent to grandfather. My grandparents were born in the 1930s. The ones who were alive and adults during the Civil War? That would make them my great-great-great-great-great uncle. It's been about 7 generations for me since that time. But apparently, that's not long enough. Nor is that being depicted fairly. (BTW, if it matters to you, my family was in the North. I have union soldiers in my background, and while it's a slim possibility that my ancestors owned slaves, none of the records I've seen indicate my mother's side had slaves. My father's side was in Canada, and the records are a little confusing (as in I do not know if my ancestor owned slaves or was a slave) confusing.) I'd really need to hire a professional to untangle that knot of 1820s French documents.) Anyway, Maya's white father got confronted with information he clearly didn't know about because no one knew about it.. So of course he didn't believe it. And his first reaction was to deny it. He doesn't want to think about his family that way. And if it's true, what hadn't he heard about it? I think those are pretty normal reactions as a human being. I do think he should have taken the time to read the diary. That was his mistake. He didn't even consider the evidence in his kneejerk response to something he didn't want to be true. And the show doesn't really give him time to process things. In regards to the statue, I think more information is needed. "He was a slave owner" doesn't really tell us much on its face. The statue wasn't for him being a slave owner (unlike the one on the docks in the UK. That statue celebrating a guy for buying and selling slaves, was a real WTF and definitely needed to come down). Did he found the town while keeping secret from his slaves that they were actually free, as some tried to do that attempted to bring slavery to California? Did he change his mind and free people? Because it's not his fault if he inherited slaves and was born into the system and then had to figure out that it was wrong after being raised with propaganda that it was right, and then decide to free people. So yeah. A lot matters about WHY the statue was made, and what he actually did about the slaves he owned. There's also the fact that the diary was probably a forgery because of its historical inaccuracy. And that's a huge problem for the episode. (The Proud Family episode about racism decides to ignore the fact that in the 1820s, when "smith" founded the town, it was mainly a land of Latinos from Spain and Native American tribes. America didn't start exporting slaves and slave owners to California until 1848, after it acquired the territory from Mexico. But you know, Latinos and Native Americans don't really count for anything in race stories ::sarcasm:: So the whole "Christian is a slave owner" thing was clearly a plot by the development team to try to say something about slavery, because they badly botched the history, in universe, it actually seriously looks more like a smear campaign against the town's founder than uncovering a horrible truth. A story where mob rule "corrects" the historical record to the wrong conclusion. Which is unfortunate , because there are plenty of true stories and facts they could have used instead to tell a story of slavery that we don't talk about much since California was so far west. This is a case of should have done the research. Anyway, statues. What the statue is meant to commemorate, and the entire history of the person in question is important. On to geek girl Zoey. So we've got a white nerdy girl who pulls in a hot guy, and her friends tell her she only got the guy because she's white. As a former nerdy white girl, that sucks and her friends are just being mean to her. Other white girls exist in the world (he ends up with one of them at the end). So implying that your ugly nerdy friend should never get the guy because she's an ugly nerd makes you a crappy person. He had his pick of the world, and he chose her, for some reason. When the end comes around and she apologizes to them, and then they walk off with their boys while she is stuck alone in the corner and worthy only of the ugly nerdy boy trying to talk her up, which she doesn't seem thrilled with, that's just mean. Poor girl already learned the guy only liked her for her skin (which, I have to say, is very weird. I know many people who have racial preferences, but usually that's just for physicality, and who you dates is based on their actual personality, otherwise you're just a crappy person using other people as dildos.) When your gal pal learns that the guy she was with was only dating her for her body, usually you console her and tell her what a jerk he was, and get her ice cream. But Zoey got abandoned by her girls. these same girls who were drooling after the light skinned guy rather than their darker skinned boyfriends. Yeah, this episode is not sending the message it thinks it is. It put its own higher value on lighter skin. But it's okay because the girls doing it are black, I guess? I don't get mixed up in that kind of thinking too much since it's not a white person ethical issue to decide if it's okay or not for black people to like lighter skinned black people better. But it does seem kind of hypocritical. But anyway, Zoey returns to her position as lowest girl on the totem pole. And that makes everyone else feel better and justified that a cute guy could never really like her. And so she has to apologize for someone else's sexual preferences because she's white. Go Zoey.
plus the boy isnt even wrong either, like zoey. He doesnt hate other black people, hes allowed to have a preference. Penny and her friends are just ghetto tbh there was nothing wrong with what zoey or noah did. If he said he didnt like black girls/people in general, that would have been different. ugh.
I find it so odd in that episode that everyone treats Zoey like she’s the problem and not a word is said about the black guy who shows interest in her. Like?? It’s not her fault the dude showed an interest!
It's not even the guy's fault for having a preference. They all immediately jumped the gun and assumed the absolute worst thing about the guy out of spite because being a colorist is the only logical explanation why a handsome guy like Noah was attracted to "ugly" Zoey.
This seems like a very level-headed analysis, you bring up valid points. Discrimination can go both ways depending on context and appearance. I definitely believe in the existence of white privilege, I have seen POC being flagged down in a store for looking "suspicious" (Black with a hoodie) and their mistreatment at the hands of the police. I am aware some employers will filter out candidates with black sounding names, as well as the issue of generational poverty in the black community caused by policies such as redling and segregation. But I've also been bullied and harassed for being the only white kid in class (Add on being gay and poor too) Discrimination doesn't feel any better no matter what your color, religion or creed, it's a silent evil that can only be cured with awareness, action and empathy. In the words of Daisy: "We must love each other, or we must die." We must remember the sins of the past but not be stuck there. Also they're just being bad friends to Zoey she did nothing wrong.
I have had people apologize for being white. And it makes me so mad because they have nothing to apologize for Should not make someone feel bad just because of the color they are or their racial background. Those are things you cannot control. Can we please stop doing this to our children?
Yes you are right discrimination is terrible but what is terrible what is going on in the black community because there is crimes that go on in the black community that no one wants to talk about it when it's about BLM they always want to focus on the white privilege
As a black man I agree with you white people can be victims also of depression yes black people can be predators because not everyone in the black community are saints that is true that why people can benefit from White privilege it doesn't mean that white people don't have any issues or any victimization because all black people think about is being a victim of society but they will not focus what's going on in the black community there are also predators in the black community that are doing arm to the community 19:21
You know what would be a crazy turn of events? If the boy all the girls like told Zoey that he didn't like girls who was interested in him because of his light skin color and he just wanted to avoid that mess altogether.
I wish they would have shown the conversation between Zoe and Noah. All we get is that he admitted he dates white girls. That doesn't really tell us anything. Does he date white girls because he's racist? Does he date white girls because he finds red or blond hair pretty, and that most often occurs in white people? Does he date white girls because he grew up in the Hollywood system where people of color are drastically underrepresented, so most of the girls he was surrounded by happened to be white, and that's what he's used to? The episode treats Noah like a villain, and we never even learn if he actually did anything bad!
True! The Hollywood one sounds great, because it could go into the issue of how Hollywood STILL shows a massive preference towards certain races that affects both viewers and child actors, which sounds like a much better lesson than “If you’re the token ugly friend you shouldn’t expect anyone remotely attractive to want you”
Exactly, Noah's preference could even juat be explained away by experience, EG: him finding most PoC girls as too "loud", abrasive or just too much drama to deal with. So him picking Zoe in the cafeteria is because, unlike the other girls, she was being quite and not in his face.
IKR Preference is a thing. Some white girls say they prefer guys with darker skin, just because they find it attractive. Like, he's not racist just for having a preference.
@@jocelynecupcake That is a thing, but tell that to the writers. Dijonay's BF points this out in the eppisode, only to have Maya come and and be all "that's racist"
I dont talk about this very much, i was (and still am) a very irish pale kid, and i went to a school primarily filled with black and mexican kids. These kids bullied me RELENTLESSLY, about my skin, my last name, alot of things. I was treated differently because of this, idk i really hope i dont get blasted for this. I was really hurt, i hated being compared to mayo or mozzarella, or any of that other stuff....im scared to even put this comment up
If Disney had done that, as far as the execs think (KK hella definitely included, thank you South Park), they'd of had to give in to the public scrutiny that they're receiving right now. Kathleen Kennedy has a death-grip on Disney as a company, and she sure as hell ain't gonna let go. This was the lady who last year tried to sue Matt Stone and Trey Parker over an episode of South Park where they *dared* to criticize her.
@@danthedork965 Their stocks and bonds having less value than they did five years ago, the lukewarm (that's me trying to be nice) enthusiasm that their films get now, the bad audience reception to said films, open and public criticism on social sites and YT of their company, their mismanagement for Disney+, the list is actually numerous.
I could see it going both ways, honestly. Yes, Zoey's friends treat her horribly, but there's not a whole lot of options in a school setting; it's hard to end a friendship with a clean break unless you switch schools (which is a huge lifestyle change for a kid and often not feasible for the parents). It'd make sense if she stopped hanging out with them outside of school, but then she has to deal with the added pressure of breaking the status quo. If she breaks that status quo by avoiding them or ending the friendships, she risks the group behaving exactly how they did in this episode. She probably thinks she'll suffer less by remaining their friend than she would trying to leave and making enemies of them all.
All the colorism episode told me was " know your place. Stay in your lane, keep to *your kind* (not just skin) and if not, you're the worst kind of person." Zoe apologizing is just so wrong. She did nothing wrong, and her taking responsibility for someone else's actions is so terrible and perpetuates a VERY bad habit of girls having to take responsibility for boys and what they do(thats a whole other ball of wax). He didn't get upfront heat for anything. He didn't get ridiculed or get shamed by his friends, day in and day out- he just moved on, got a different date and continued living his best life. Meanwhile, Zoe was body shamed, made to feel she committed some crime for accepting the attention of someone else, as if her actions alone are to blame. Is feels like the beginning of a much scarily similar scenario girls deal with; the baby version of "If you didn't want x's attention, why did you dress that way? Why did you look/talk to them if you didn't want x to happen to you?" It doesn't matter her "friends" apologized; they wouldn't have if she didn't do it first (unjustly) and their admittance of their wrong doing is so short it's like an afterthought. Basically a hand wave. If my friends did this to me, I would have left them for good. In fact. I did. (part of a mixed group, I'm multiracial and we had a girl in our native longhouse who acted this way. drawing lines between people based on our skin tone. She was terrible and hateful, everyone started to avoid her.) Those are **not** friends, Zoe needs to move on and find people who don't stick her in a box they labeled for her. Because the GUILT lumped onto her for just existing is something that screws with peoples minds as they get older. Zoe's actions in this episode seem to look like she's meant to be going down a dark path of internalized self hatred in order to be accepted by her friends. It reminds of the guilt lumped onto religious kids who are taught from an early age they are sinful creatures, (especially girls) and they're innate (racism) sinfulness is something they must constantly watch out for, and apologize for, and whip themselves mentally for. As if it's part of who they are as humans beings no matter who they become or what they do, they will never ' be clean' (not racist). This episode basically, killed the show for me. Because at the end of the day I feel the episode didn't do enough to show this kind of thinking is WRONG. We don't get to absorb the moment of resolution long enough and yah.. that ending. the episode unfortunately frames this whole thing as if this is the **right way** to handle this situation. Teens are flawed, and this is a flawed way of thinking, and there's' nothing wrong with having an episode showing that--- but the emphasis on Zoe's ostracization lingers FAR too long and makes her "friends" look like the justified party and them treating Zoe this way is **correct**. And **thats** my biggest worry/issue with the topic/episode over all. But thanks for reviewing the show all the same, you're stronger than me to revisit these episodes.
It's funny. Black people pushed to dismantle white only schools, yet then did a 180° and made black only schools. "You can't exclude us, as a matter of fact, you have to include us in everything, but we can exclude you all we want" Or I remember a movie based off a true story, where a white woman wanted to adopt a black girl, but the NAACP said white people can't adopt black children, and only blacks are allowed to adopt blacks
Zoey had NOTHING to apologize for. If anybody, Penny and Dijonay need to apologize to their boyfriends, because they were willing and were going to dump them for Noah. Also, can we also talk about how this episode is hypocritaly against interracial relationships, when the main instigator in this episode, Maya, has two fathers who are in an interracial relationship?
I'm mixed, and it's hard to talk to either of my parents about how it feels moving in the world, it feels like they have half the picture sometimes, so I'm thankful to your video. I'm not very well spoken about my feelings, but I feel like I have a safe space in this video to think about it. Thank you much. :)
Old problem: treating people differently based on skin color Old solution: treating people equally regardless of skin color New problem: treating people equally regardless of skin color New solution: treating people differently based on skin color
White person thought: I feel like doing an episode on white guilt should include a white character using their "guilt" to overtake conversations or decenter a topic in order to have people focus on how bad THEY feel about a race-related topic. So, rather than having Zoey be penitent for just existing, maybe instead have her hear the rumour and then make a big scene about Noah's "preferences," which just causes discomfort for everyone because it's a rumour and Zoey is just trying to "look like a good ally." Have her be exaggerated about feeling guilty "for being white," which can create conversation that it's not about feeling guilty because you're white, but just being aware of issues that might not be noticeable because of your privilege. With Barry, I think his initial reaction of disbelief is normal. Who wants to believe their family member owned slaves? That's a hard truth to reconcile with. However, his response of "who knows if any of this actually happened" does deserve some criticism and could dovetail nicely into the white guilt/fragility topic, because that phrasing leans into dismissing the topic rather than being open to evidence and learning about the history. White people reacting in a way that makes themselves the center of conversation is far too common, and it often derails what is being talked about in order to make the white person "feel better." I don't know. I feel like having an episode that focuses on the message of "don't just sit there feeling guilty, what are you going to do to help" would be a more effective way to tackle white guilt.
As a white woman, I agree that this is an interesting and novel way to approach the topic in a piece of media, and quite productive to boot. I'd be quite pleased to see that topic be tackled in a tactful manner.
It's a good thing the episode has the rest of Leibowitz-Jenkins family talk it out. Barry learns that hiding an ancestral past just because he doesn't like it only adds to the problem. It's even sweet that Maya (y'know, the one who most people of the OG show dislike) is the one who forgives him first, especially because she knows that Barry meant no harm towards his kids and husband, and because he was willing to defy racism rather than deny racism. And yet haters will ignore that.
I am a lesbian so I am really happy when I see lgbtq represation in the media! Especially when it is handled the right away in kid's shows (Where the emphasis isn't about sex, it is about the fact that different types of families and different types of people exist and they are all worthy of being here!) But, with these two gay dads....They don't even seem to like each other! Ive seen them be really snippy a few times in the show! It's like c'mon! That is the man you love! You don't scream at him to "use his white privilege" when being white would have nothing that would have stopped the riot or kept characters from being locked up! What was he supposed to do? Was supposed to say "Hey, im a white guy! Im going to use my white privilege to make this stop! Activate whiteness power!" Like....honestly there was nothing he could have done and his "husband" and his kids who "love" him seriously thought that he could stop them from being arrested just because he was white? It does not add up. He and Zoe need to find different friends and family because the ones they have clearly don't appreciate them for who they are! Zoe has a group of mainly black friends! Barry married a black man! Clearly they are not racist! This episode show has insulted: black people, white people and gay people. Kids don't need to see this!
Being a 1st gen white American, I don't understand why it is expected of me to feel guilty for something that happened hundreds of years ago to which I had no say so in the matter. It is ridiculous.
They’ll deny it, but antiwhite hate stems from envy and a severe inferiority complex. Many “pocs” don’t really mind slavery, oppression, colonialism, and discrimination, so long as they’re the ones holding the whip. Our ancestors haven’t done anything that theirs haven’t been guilty of themselves. The only difference is that ours were better at it.
I loved this video! Very informative. I haven't seen the Proud Family but you just made me want to watch it, especially for the fruitful and thought-provoking discussions. Just subscribed!
I grew up in a very diverse area. In highschool, I realized that a lot of the people were prejudiice toward white people :( I once got into a debate (Freshman year highschool, so YEARS pre covid) with a group of girls because we had a project to make up fake schools and they only wanted black schools which literallly segragates people again. People I graduated with literally made jokes about making a certain white hooded group but for white people. I grew up feeling guilty for being white because of how my peers treated me :( people I did know have said prejudice stuff about white people, turn to me and go "No offense" like that makes it better, even had people assume I was racist because of the color of my skin. They act like you can't be racist to a white person. The more and more I'm on social media like tik tok I realize that some people always make it a race thing. I'm so tired of it, who cares what color we are. We're all human. . (Sorry for typos, its 3am where I am as of typing that, also not saying this is everyones experience just mine.)
No because as a mixed person who goes to a majority black school, there is so much crap given to white students for being white. A predominently white school visited mine and were bombarded with cracker comments. As well as me also being treated very poorly, being told I am not allowed to call myself black even though being afro carribean(dougla dad) is literally in my blood and I was raised by an african american(non bio grandma). The reasoning is always because I am half white, because being half white apparently negates everything else. I am also indo carribean(dougla dad) but you wouldn't know because thats ignored completely to poke fun at me for my african and white parts. I had a people literally changing my race on records to hispanic, even though no where in my ancestry points to a spanish speaking country. Their logic is so flawed they don't think I should be allowed to identify as anything in my blood. It doesn't matter, because I don't have the 4c hair of a fully black person, or the strongly shaped nose of a fully indian person, or the skin color of a fully white person. I get teased for "not owning my race" when they don't even let me. I can't escape it either because other people will bring it up. Its always white this, black that, and I've actually started to grow an avoidance to hanging around black people because I am afraid my race will be brought up and scrutinized. Sorry about the long reply.
it's sad, if there's one thing people shouldn't have to apologize for, it's the color of their skin. :( No matter if they're black, white, brown, whatever. I'm sorry you had to go through that. (Edit) (I know you never mentioned anything about apologizing for anything but I just thought I'd mention that. I'm just talking about people as a whole.)
@@birdhousewatch3322 Nah I get it, surprisingly it doesn't effect me much anymore since I'm busy with work and my own problems haha. It was really only when I was in school.
I also grew up in a very diverse school, and this is almost the exact same thing that I experienced. I can't even count how many times I've been called a colonizer by both my friends AND kids I didn't even know. It was frustrating, and I began to hate my skin color because of it. When I told people I didn't appreciate being called a colonizer, they shot me down. Someone even told me that I "couldn't handle the truth". Fighting racism with racism doesn't make things better. If we want to end it once and for all, then no race should be superior than the other.
Honestly both the slavery and the colorism episodes are so tone deaf they come at best, as parodies, at worse as doing more harm that good. The colorism in particular with people blaming poor Zoey, who cleary has some problems with her self-image, over something she isn't at fault (How is SHE the one at fault over the guy preferring white girls?), the fact the whole colorism thing comes after the others got rejected by the guy (with no proof other than word of mouth) also comes as pure evil, "Oh he likes you for the color of your skin and nothing more!", getting body shamed by your "friends", friends who are jealous for her scoring the popular guys WHILE THEY HAVE BOYFRIENDS THEMSELVES, and is Zoey the one that has to apologize first? Come on! The Slavery episode for its part, for an episode trying to promote the "truth" it takes many historical liberties (and some fabrications) to push the point, something that to me comes as contradictory. Barry getting attacked over "white fragility" for not believing something straight up also annoys me. and so does the "Do something with you white privilege" because as the previous point, it ends being contradictory, because Barry being white doesn't matter at all, he is also completely powerless to stop Wizard actions, Wizard who is BLACK and has THE POWER, what "white privilege" is here? Both Barry and Zoey get unjust attacked and blamed for things they had no control over and only because their color of their skin, for a show trying to take issues of racism, that comes as pretty damn racist to me.
Not to mention you know the never going to address the fact black people are the ones that sold black people to the white people, and black people had white slaves
I just wish we didn't even have this separation of white vs black. As a white girl, I've had times of getting the stink eye from POC who are complete strangers, and that voice in the back of my mind is just like "they don't like because I'm white." And yeah, there are people white people who do the same to POC, but if we can recognize how awful that is, then why is it okay the other way around? I've even had people tell me I'm not allowed to talk about certain POC issues, just because I'm white. Yes, I am privilaged. That don't automatically make me a racist. Tearing down white people doesn't fix racism, anymore than tearing down men fixes misogamy
they also love to act like back then every single white person was a colonizer slave owner. like no my ancestors were slovenian farmers. 😭 what they don’t realize is people of every race owned slaves and people of every race were enslaved. they talk about reparations but if you wanted to give reparations to everyone who had enslaved ancestors you’d have to pay like half the world. even if that white person was like spanish or english and had colonizer and slave owner ancestors, how tf is that their fault? what can they do about it?
Idk ask yt people to stop creating more racism. There is a reason yt people have managed to piss off EVERY OTHER SINGLE RACE IN THE WORLD. 😂 ya’ll the common denominator and the most oblivious to your own actions. Want to stop racism? It begins with yt people who started it.
@@Nakia11798when will yt people get it? They are the ONLY race to piss off every other race 😂 yet the ones who act like they aren’t the ones who started and continue it the most.
I am Mexican and white, here in Mexico people sometimes joke about my skin color saying “you privilege white” “gringa (I am not)” and so on and so forth, I know that they are joking but the fact that my skin is something that other people care about is pretty uncomfortable. When I knew about this episode I found funny that the series is about inclusion and all that, but god help that an interracial couple exists, must of my boyfriends had been dark skinned and that is the last thing that I see, I just know that I love this person that just happens to be dark skinned, no all people who is in an interracial couple wants to make whitewashing, some of us just don’t care about color because it doesn’t matter.
Are we just going to ignore the fact that Penny and some of her friends already have boyfriends and love interests? Seriously so what if Zoey has someone who has an admirer. Zoey needs to find better friends. I'll admit Noah was nonchalant through and through but the friends were bad.
As a WOC (cringe phrase, I know) white guilt makes me feel really uncomfortable. I’m not saying white people shouldn’t recognize things like systemic racism or white privilege, but there’s a very delicate line between being aware of these things and being a weirdo. I really don’t appreciate the feeling of a whole race trying to “atone” to me or speak up on my behalf, or put me and other non-white people on pedestals as if we’re some sort of enlightened people or martyrs. This is part of the reason as to why I really hate bread-tube and a lot of leftist spaces. It feels like a whole horde of people trying to convince us that they’re “one of the good ones”.
The thing is, white guilt and white privileged are the CAUSE of this. It’s not a nuance topic - when you tell a whole race of people they have privileges due solely to their race and leave out a TON of other reasons WHY African Americans have in certain situations, you’re opening a can of worms. Like we can’t ever talk about black culture and how they don’t have a strong family unit which contributes a WHOLE LOT to how successful a child becomes. It’s not SOLEY because of “white man evil”
There's no such thing as white privilege. I have never gotten special treatment just for being white. Not once. And neither has my family or my other white friends. Wealth privilege is a much more accurate term because as long as you're rich and wealthy, the only color that matters is green
Great video bro! Zoey and Barry are not the "enemy". They simply get the unnecessary backlash for being white. They shouldn't carry the burden of their trash ancestors ways. Lol! Keep up the amazing work!!!
Every time i see clips of the new seasons, the dialogue doesn’t feel like dialogue but rather a morality play written by teenagers, AT the audience. I LOVED proud family and loved their stories, and learned A LOT about living as a black teen in America, and I’ll never forget the time travel ep or the Ramadan ep because they were really good stories that moved me.
The problem with this episode is that it is trying to act like Zoey is in the wrong and should be the one to apologize even though she isn't. And I watched this gang tail Oscar Proud on Sticky's bike to see if the guy was cheating on Trudy and yet never at any point in this episode do any investigations into whether or not Maya's claims are true. So we have a merry band of dumbasses, two of whom were willing to ditch their darker skin boyfriends for a guy they don't know, shut Zoey out without even telling her what's going on, don't investigate whether or not these rumors are true, don't even ask the guy why he asked Zoey out, and then have the audacity to blame Zoey for all of this despite the fact that all she did was accept the invitation of a guy asking her out. How are we supposed to have a legitimate conversation about colorism when the one that the writers are telling us is in the wrong has literally done nothing wrong over the course of the entire episode? It makes no goddamn sense. It just makes this friend group even more toxic than they already were and makes them look like a bunch of ignorant dumbasses.
Like and what made even less sense is that they thought he picked Zoey for being White when there were dozens of other prettier white girls around him trying to get his attention!
Yeah, like how it could had been if the white boy picked Zoey, mainly because she was the ONLY girl in the school who wasn't inmediately fawning over him, like he wants to be with someone and that it wasn't because he is the popular kid.
I feel always bad when I see that someone is forcing "White guilt" on all white people including me even if me and my ancestors are from EASTERN EUROPE. Like guys - "I am not from the noble family. My families were fighting wars not by being sent to the different countries but literally had their homes bombarded, had to fight for their lives and families. Earlier they were workers without a lands, without a name. From both sides of my family our surnames are eqivalent of people that worked on the fields to give all they could to their masters and till my generation, probably noone ever saw non white person in real life" for what the heck am I supposed to be sorry for... I feel like americans pretty often forgetting that people of every race were slaves in some period of time and all races were slavers. I saw a photo during BLM parade of KOŚCIUSZKO statue was vandalized in america. Kościuszko - our National Hero, one of those that FREED black people from the slavery, people that vandalized were not even be able to say who he was on the video but "he was white". I am really happy I am not living in America...
It feels like some people forget or don`t take in consideration that there are more expierences than their (the country person lives in) and history and mentality doesn`t work the same in other countries and parts of the world. Ignorance and radicalism turn into blind hatred and then things like vandalizing of KOŚCIUSZKO statue happen. It`s sad to see, but can be taken as a lesson on what not to do and how not to be. I hope situation changes for better and really sad about the monument. Taking monuments down isn`t really a good desicion... Soviet goverment took down monument of Katherine the second in my city and she was the one who gave my city this title (and then they put Lenin monument on the same square). The monument got restored in 80`s but still (now she and Lenin hung out on the same square. Looks epic. She`s taller than him.).. Monuments are there for a reason - for us to remember. Even if person for which monument was built made something horrid or was not a good person.. Yeah, keep it to remember that that stuff is bad and not repeat that.
It's like people forget that slavery is mentioned several times in THE BIBLE. It shows that slavery has been around since practically the beginning of civilization. Ever since there were rich people, they would exploit other people to do work for them. Hell, the Romans were the original slave traffickers but nobody mentions them
I think it's more often than not a quiet and passive racism that runs subconsciously. Hard for it not to be when people get basically preached at about how white people should be ashamed ... for some their ancestor may or may not have even had a hand in. It seems people take a sick and twisted sense of enjoyment from "kindly" reminding people that they should have shame hanging over their heads and that even if they think they aren't, they're still racist because white. It's messed up and quite racist and I really can't wait to see people eventually move on from tossing the hate bones around.
The same americans that think that probably also think that being european automaticly makes your ancestors brutal colonizers. Nah we were buisy having our land taken you can see on old maps😭💀
@@rubbydraco1334 the countries that did the most colonization were England, France, Spain, Holland, and Portugal. The first three were the biggest colonizers with Holland taking parts of SE Asia, South Africa, and parts of the Caribbean. Portugal took Brazil and some of the smaller South American countries
I think the idea that we need to stop talking about race, while misguided, is one that I can understand the sentiment behind. The problem isn’t that we need to stop talking about race, it’s that we need to discuss it in a more constructive and nuanced way. That Proud Family episode I think is a prime example of how not to do it. As a culture, we spend so much time talking about race in an unhelpful, predictable way that covers all the same surface level points without offering any solutions or unique perspectives. I think what we really need to focus on is what privilege actually is, defining it as more than as abstract, theoretical superpower, and how it actually manifests on an individual and societal level. There’s so much misunderstanding about privilege out there, and I think this video does a good job at clearing up some of these misconceptions.
Wowww!!! This video made me realize that I’ve been in a situation similar to Zoey!! As a white woman i have always experienced a lot of white shame/guilt and I’ve never understood if it’s normal or not. Years ago i was dating a black guy and we were at a club together, i was dancing with/on him having a good time. Later that night when we got back to where we were staying the guy i was seeing and our friend (another black guy) told me that every black girl in the club were staring me down like they hated me. I never noticed because i was just having a good time and vibing. I asked them “why were they looking at me like that” and they explained that the other women probably didn’t like that i was a white woman with a black guy! It really surprised me and ever since then i felt uncomfortable in public with the guy i was seeing because i felt like everyone was looking at me and judging me for… idk? “Stealing” a black guy from black girls??
The way Randall talks to Barry doesn't sound like how one partner talks to another about a difficult issue. It sounds like the way someone speaks from a soapbox. If the writers had made them have a real conversation then it could have elevated the episode. It could have shown the nuance and different viewpoints around a complicated situation. (If someone did bad things like own slaves, but they also did good things how should we remember them? How does it impact us when our ancestors did things that affect us down the generations but which we have no control over? How can a family address topics that have different impacts on each of them?) I imagine that a better handling of the issue could also have been helpful for young viewers who live in mixed-race families and have encountered situations where their parents have very different perspectives from each other or from them. But no. All we got was Randall spouting preachy slogans at his husband and Barry unwilling to discuss the issue at all.
the was an episode with the Chang triples when they called Penny out on reverse racism and she was like "black ppl can't be racist". it really bothers me
After I learned European history, I've always felt that I have to apologize for what my ancestors MAY have done. It's made it really difficult to make friends that aren't white because I feel so guilty for just existing near them.
@flickcentergaming680 That's a ridiculous stance. Aside from the fact that there is no shared "European history" but each country has their own history, you are not responsible for the actions of your parents, let alone your ancestors.
I think it all comes down to jealousy. They think they're the super attractive girls who deserve the attention of this handsome and famous celebrity and yet he ignores all of them and asks out the designated "ugly" one who initally didn't even really want to date him to begin with. She only decided to go on a date with him because he approached her and treated her like a person. She had the audacity to take something from them that they believed they were owed (which no they didn't) that she doesn't deserve (the "ugly nerd" doesn't deserve the "hot actor) and then not even want it in the first place.
Speaking as someone who hasn’t seen the episode; Is it even bad for her to date a boy who only really dates white girls but it’s never mentioned he’s actually prejudiced against other black people. I mean there’s definitely people like that but some people also just have weird dating preferences??? You can’t really control who you’re attracted to. 10:50 It’s horrible but I can’t stop picturing him be’n like “Oh shit my bad can you stop arresting them kids?”
Right? Like there’s so many people who will only date their own race, including black people, so why can’t he have a preference for a different race? Doesn’t mean he looks down on other races, especially with him being part of that race. And doesn’t mean he’ll never find a black girl attractive, just means he’s got a preference for different features.
I’m glad to see this is getting criticism I acknowledge openly black people have it worse usually, slavery is still affecting us, etc. I have multiple black friends, got along fine with black coworkers that weren’t assholes, etc. But none of that matters it seems like. I have dealt with more than a handful of blacks who treat me like garbage because I’m white, and then act like I have no right to defend myself. I have also dealt with more than a few who are privileged with rich non-toxic parents that make sure they are ok no matter what, and yet the race card comes out as if they still always had it worse than a poor white person who came from a shit situation.
This is what happens when you get hack writers. Even a middle schooler could've pointed out all the issues with the writing and storytelling. If it were just one episode, it'd be just a one-off, but it's a consistent issue. You have writers far too obsessed with the lens that the story doesn't make any sense or even seem real unless you're drowning in the same punch they are. The OG series had its issues, but it was far closer to the actual point and heart of the issues.
the Proud Family reboot I swear was written by people who watched the original version and threw all the positive themes into the garbage cause they're sad, bitter people who can't stand the world isn't 100% how they want it.
I'm white and I treat everyone else the same, aka I don't want to talk to people because I'm an introverted shut in who doesn't like people. Skin color is just that, skin color. For this episode it just came off as a punishing Zoey for being white. Frankly this episode had potential, it could have taught the girls for assuming he was dating her because she was white and the rumor when he was actually interested in her because she was a nerd, or a little sloppy or he tried dating more attractive women and found them all to be superficial so he decided to try something different this time. They could have been put in their place for assuming things and giving her shit because she's white and they could have realized their own prejudice and apologized. They had a chance and they shat all over it because white person is always bad.
My God this man needs to host highschool/college race discussions. Casual atmosphere, every race present and just talking about experiences and media. It would break down so many barriers or misunderstandings. So many people raised in racist households, once they go out into the real world and interact with others realize how backwards their upbringing were.
Sometimes I feel like this show is made by the type of people who imagine a person, get angry at this imaginary person in an argument they had with them in their head and then make a satirical interpretation of this imaginary person from an argument they had in their head.
Not gonna lie…I’d love a video on how you’d rewrite these episodes…especially Zoey’s. Coming from a Black Guy…Zoey is probably one of my favorite characters in the show….possibly due to the fact that I’m an introvert. The fact that they undid everything in the original series…just to have her involvement in how she is in Loud and Prouder is so nuts…you’d think this was written by Vince McMahon…Carrying over concept, but doing away with them the next. You can do the Myron stuff, Noah’s involvement in the story, the in-fighting, and the “White Privilege”…but like you said…the only way this episode works as well…is if it was about what it really is…Colorism & Pretty Privilege. But yeah…Zoey deserves a run back in Season 3 this year.
What do yall hope they do for Zoey's story line in the new season coming out soon ? 👀
That her, KG, Micheal and Penny leaves the other 3 by themselves. AND yes the nerdy black boy can join them(Penny and the rest) too!
If the original series didn't have a single positive episode that focused on Zoey, I highly doubt that this reboot will do that either. The only episode that somewhat focused on Zoey was "Penny Potter" when Suga Mama's sister, Spice, tricks Zoey into thinking that she is special. The main purpose of that episode was regarding Suga Mama and Spice. Future reboot episodes will continue to have Zoey in the background or her using her "magic White privilege" to help her so-called friends.
Zoey begins her glow-up. And starts rethinking who her friends are in light of how they treated her the last couple seasons.
Write her out
@@digimonalvatrax2738 I honestly wouldn't want Michael as a friend based on his actions in this episode. It's cool that Michael is queer and into guys, but he also got mad at Zoey because Noah was into her. I highly doubt that Disney/Proud Family is ready to have two queer youth in a show (especially dating), so Noah would never ask him out to begin with. Michael in this episode makes it seem like he will get mad at the girl if she is asked out instead of him.
Zoey feels like a whipping girl. She's constantly body-shamed and put down for no reason, despite being the only one of Penny's friends who isn't toxic or selfish.
Admittedly she has moments were she ditches Penny but yeah
She's certainly not perfect, but my count, she's at least better than Penny's other friends!
I feel like everyone in this show is the whipping character. I think the only people who don't get dragged through the muck is Sunset, Papi, Trudy and the twins, and of course the non-recurring or non-regular characters.
@@oliviacooper2702 Yeah, she's more of the follower type. I've noticed that a lot of the "follow the leader" type characters like Zoey are mostly always the butt of a joke.
@@oliviacooper2702penny is toxic too tho, all these girls suck stingy was the only cool one in the group and he’s gone.
"All Zoey did was exist". AMEN.
Geez, that's brutal
Hell nah, she claimed white fragility, white privilege and remained silent in their song of building a country. She's ridiculous.
I felt that in my soul tbh
@millo7295 The heck does that even mean?
@@dryfox11 It's just a joke abt how red haired people have been viewed to have pacts with demons and that's why their hair is red like fire (hellfire, in that sense)
I love proud family but I didn’t like how they treated Zoey in that episode. Like they weren’t even happy for her when a guy asked her out since no one likes her since she’s not pretty, but i hated how she had to apologize to them like she didn’t do anything? They should be the the one apologizing. (Sorry if my grammar isn’t that great)
Tbh, if they had done that episode better, MAYBE they could've made the point they wanted to? Like, let's say the girls are actually excited for Zoey, and want to hang out with her and her new boyfriend, but he's immediately disrespectful to all them for no reason. It could've actually been interesting to see Zoey having to choose between her friends (who are being GOOD friends in this version), and a guy who's obviously an asshole, but is validating her. She'd be in the wrong, so they could still have their colorism/misogynoir teaching moment, but also explore why a low self esteem can lead nice people to date assholes.
Idk, your comment just got me thinking about how they could've fixed it. Honestly, one of the biggest issues with this show is that the friends really don't act friendly with each other.
Zoey is so beautiful!
@@k.b.gravedigger9527 She is but I’m saying no one really likes her
Not to mention some of the girls who were going after Zoey for that are already in a relationship with two other guys; I believe it was Dijonay and Penny? You've seen them how they reacted when the dude showed up, they literally started acting like they were still single!
It's not even just that, they only had a problem when it was a hot dude, but as soon as it was an ugly dude, they didn't care
“We shouldn’t treat people based on the color of their skin but by the content of their character”
- Martin Luther King Jr. He would’ve been appalled by this show.
Yes, he's probly rolling in his grave right now.
So the dude isn’t allowed to have a preference to begin with?
They literally ARE jealous that she got asked out. It’s not her fault someone has a preference and she fit that preference. Classic getting mad at the girl instead of the man (even though they shouldn’t even be mad at him either!)
Well I mean, there’s a difference between preference and a fetish. Dating a girl cus you think her glasses are cute? A bit petty, but it’s a preference. Dating a girl cus of her race? Fetish.
Yeah, things like this have always annoyed me. While I get the point they were (very poorly) attempting to make, there’s also the fact that people have preferences. What if he didn’t like white girls, but Asian girls instead? What if he only liked girls taller than him? Girls with freckles, are shorter than him, or have a deep voice… these are all just preferences. It’s only bad if it goes beyond who he’s willing to date. If at some point she wanted to hang out with Penny and the gang but he stopped her “just ‘cause” (actually because of their color) then that would go into actual racism. Refusing to even associate with people who don’t have his preferred traits is a problem, not dating those people is a choice. I wish they actually had a scene that established that, instead of just having Zoey confirm something that ultimately didn’t mean anything. (After all, none of them were actually single anyways.)
But not racist @@strangeactuallylegume
They could’ve went more into it, there’s a difference between fetishization and preferences.
Maybe they could’ve shown them dating and he keeps on pointing out stereotypes of white girls.
I thought it would be that he was into tall girls but no they really made an insecure girl feel worse about herself it looked more like bullying than anything
I bet they were in the writer's room thinking they struck gold with that episode 😳
Not to mention she was was being fetished by her race which is never okay. Girls need protection for that, not being shamed to be target of it!
@@TonyTurner I suppose that's the harm of not having a different opinion in the room or at the very least not acknowledging it by many who thought this looked good
Who needs enemies when you have friends like that...
@@TonyTurnerInteresting fact: According to a Slashfilm interview, Ralph Farquhar apparently pitched this episode and it was the only pitch that "got uncomfortable laughs", and it was "so uncomfortable" that they moved it from being a season 1 episode to season 2 during production.
This is exactly why I don't like the reboot Proud Family, because it's focused on race in the wrong way. Yes, Black people have their own issues in regard to race today, but it doesn't mean that they are always the victim in each situation (they can easily be the oppressor). Racial issues can't be solved by making White people feel guilty for their race.
Static Shock (Sons of the Fathers) and That's So Raven (True Colors) handled race very well since they focused on the individual White person that was racist and didn't promote white guilt. They demonized Barry for being a cop and didn't use his "magic White powers" to stop the police + demonized Zoey for dating a Black guy without their permission.
Perfectly said ‼
Very true.
Those shows did it right and most importantly it was not done in the way to make white people feel like villains or feel guilty I’m like proud family. This is exactly why I hate when she does try to tackle racism because it’s always so focused on trying to make white people feel guilty for things that are not their fault whether it’s distant descendants or some like that. And I just cringe when Randall mention white privilege.
@@Symphonia30 The shows I mentioned also did it right because they actually *explain* what the issue was and why the White person is wrong. Sean (Richie's dad) says racist things and is rude towards Virgil + his dad, and he was held accountable for his actions. Virgil doesn't blame Richie for his dad's actions and viewpoints. Chloe (manager) outright says she doesn't hire Black people and got fired for her actions.
@@SarahModlin exactly right
This really made me hate Maya, especially the “only white people can be racist” comment.
I always hated Maya. She had that nasty aura around her since episode one. I can’t believe we traded Sticky for her. 😭
I hate how she's such a wannabe SJW who wants women sports to succeed but doesn't go to Penny's basketball game to support her.
Racist will always deny the truth
That comment about racism is referring to the hierarchy. But anyone can be prejudiced
Yeah, and this episode just seems to send the message to always believe rumors instead of just asking the person the rumors concern, what's really going on. Way to make people with insecurities paranoid, writers!
The colorism episode was so genuenly vague that you can argue that Noah wasnt colorist, he just had a type.
There were many conventionally attractive white girls in the school, like the one he gets with at the end, but he ignored them and qent for Zoey especifically despite her being considered unattractive. Why? Because her skin wasnt the reason he chose her, he saw her as someone that didnt care for his celebrity status, someone who wouldnt hesitate to be honest with him. Thats what hes true type is. You can also argue that the only reason he moved on so quickly was to save face, since he was alone at the dance.
Even if Noah was into black girls, he still wouldnt pick aany of them because they all threw themselves at him the moment he walked into the school. Hell, two of them have boyfriends already, why would Noah want someone who doesnt hesitate in cheating the moment someone with better status shows up?
Honestly you’re so right
This video made me look back and realize I was actually bullied for being a white girl when I was little. I pretty much had only POC friends, and being autistic, I didn't understand racism for the longest time. Yet some of those friends called me race/gender specific names as if it was a funny joke. A joke that hurt. I actually ended all my friendships after being SA by one of those friends.
It didn't make sense to me then. I didn't understand. I still don't entirely understand. I only started to heal when I made friends with a Cambodian girl who didn't care about my appearance. She liked that I laughed at her jokes and it went from there. She loved sharing her food and culture, and I loved experiencing it. She was my best friend for years. I miss her.
I'm sorry that happened to you. People who SA their own friends should be condemned as terrorists. But I'm glad you have a new friend. I wish you the happiest life. 🙏🏻
I really want to visit Cambodia and vietnam. They seem to have a lot of really polite and humble people
I hate those 2 episodes, ESPECIALLY the “colorism” episode…Zoey did NOTHING wrong, she was just simply existing, and just so happened to have a popular guy be attracted to her. I believe the writers should’ve had Noah say colorist things to show he was colorist. But to literally have the girls sit there, and call him colorist for simply being attracted to that one “goofy white friend” of the group doesn’t right well with me at all…
Exactly. They could have made him look at the darker girls with disgust or say something about how light skin is better. Without any of that it just looked like Zoey's friends were jealous and wanted to shut that crap down. In the show all we have to go off of is literal rumors "i heard he only likes white girls" is not a substantial amount of evidence to justify the girls behavior, even if there were evidence, why demonize Zoey??
Then to make things worse, when the nerdy poc boy comes in to dance with Zoey, all of a sudden nobody accused him of only liking white girls. It rubbed me the wrong way, especially since all the girls were attracted to the boy that they said only likes white girls
Just came off as a jealous girl group shutting down their friends dance date bc of a rumor
@@oceancoral557 THANK YOU!! That’s exactly what that whole “episode” was about. The girls being catty, and jealous for no reason, other than to “humble” Zoey. Literally making her feel bad for something that is completely out of her control. I’m not even gonna talk about Penny and Dijonay, because it’ll just upset me even more. It’s just disappointing how the writers took an important topic and completely fumbled it
Agreed. I really hate how they had to pick the less popular and conventionally white girl to pick on. It’s gross.
@chickensalad3535 Yeah. "Ohh... but black ppl can't be racist"... Um yes they can! If you discriminate against someone who is black, white, Hispanic, Asian etc that is racism. Period. Plus you can't change the color of the you were born with
It really is amazing how 2 of Zoey's friends have boyfriends and yet fixate on a boy liking her.
If the genders were reserved Penny and L would be in a lot of trouble if they were guys.
I would have been happy if the guy was zoey's permanent boyfriend who liked geeky girls and that rumor he only liked white girls was started by a bitter ex to spite him.
And had it ended with when the boyfriends spills the beans of that rumor, (maybe also exposing that ex for how spiteful they are) Zoey's friends were left with no words and now were the ones Expected to apologize to her, while she and the boy go on a hangout together.
And could add that maybe it isn't exactly that he into nerdy girls, but that he wanted to be with someone who isn't inmediately fawning over him, either for being conventionally attrctive or for being the popular kid.
@@rsj2877 that too.
@@rsj2877 I would have loved this. Good moral about not believing rumors with no substance.
@@rsj2877 I like that!
I feel like the idea that he only dates white girls doesn't dismiss the fact he chose Zoey specifically. There's plenty of white girls in the school who would be seen as more conventionally attractive (not that she's even actually unattractive, just that the show itself seems to have a bias against lanky girls or features the creators see as nerdy). He didn't go to those other white girls in the school who likely could also have. He went to Zoey. Meaning there had to be something about her that made him target her specifically.
Honestly they could have had that guy be the episodes villain and have him pick out Zoey because she would be "easy" given a nerdy girl like her is desperate to get attention from a guy like him
I agree with that point too since if this is what the episode is based on that should have been explained
I was thinking the same thing, like to them, they were the ones who were only seeing race, if he had chosen any one of them, they wouldn't have cared as much, but because it was zoey, they had a problem
If I remember right, he said that he wanted to have a normal high school experience or something like that. Zoe was the only girl in the cafeteria who ignored him and didn't squeal or throw herself at him. That could have been a perfectly good reason for him to be attracted to her. He saw someone who didn't just want to get with a celebrity.
@@CalliopePony that does make sense
Bro, why is there a show about White guilt and stuff in the first place? Doesn’t this influence more racial tension between people??
FR!
IKR and this is on a kids network as well! I remember when Disney channel shows had episodes where characters were relatable and got themselves into crazy situations, and not everything was about politics and social issues. They snuck a few political references in there, but they were so subtle and the kids were more focused on the actresses floral print high top converse and ombre faded jeans than focused on what they were saying, like the outfits were just as cute as the stories!
Don’t expect an issue to get worse by addressing it.
Unfortunately, even if you're trying to address bigotry or inequality, reversing roles is often a lot easier than deconstructing the bigoted/unequal worldview in the first place. It's a pretty common fallacy to fall into the first time someone explores a topic, but it has to be a FIRST step in deconstructing that bigoted worldview, not an end goal
The show is not about white guilt. It is about black culture
They treat Zoey like she's only worthy of being their friend if she thinks and acts like she's inherently beneath them. They clearly didn't care that Noah was only into white girls because he was never punished for it. They cared that Zoey had something they didn't think she deserved, because they wanted it. The message of that episode was horrendously botched.
"Do something with your white privilege" is insane, like what? Barry is gonna sailor moon , magical white savior transform into Kendall Jenner or smth 💀💀💀
YES lol "white savior crystal power! and with my white privilege power I will punish you!" plus the out outfit too LOL😆😆
I’d like to see that.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion I'd pay to see that.
What would’ve saved that episode is if a “white woman” Would say welcome to my role or something, and then say unlike all of you wee white women no advantage we are treated like objects, and thrown away
@@janiceharris1812I’d kill to see that.
Honestly, I just want SOMEONE to actually address Dijonay being a horrible friend.
I did many times Lol
@@TonyTurnerI think they mean someone in the show to finally call her out
Yes but that character is so delusional that you can hit her with logic and reality and shell still look at things with rose colored glasses. Theyll never change Dijonay kas shes a running gag
I think it kinda was pointed out in the original? Like some of Penny's actions makes you think she knows Dijonay is a bad friend, but still feels the need to be friends with her. I know from experience its hard to stop being friends with people, even if they're toxic
Literally everyone has 100x over, what are you on?
The writers have a very surface level understanding of race-relations and colorism.
Come back to me when your pple are colonized
Especially since white people aren't some amorphous blob with superpowers and the ability to make everyone bend to their will. The Irish were the punching bags of America for decades, yet no-one has to feel potato guilt towards them. I mean according to this show, all white people are the same somehow and have the exact same amount of guilt they should feel at all times, even if they're refugees or homeless.
Honestly feels like the writers have never met a white person before.
They just hate white people that's about it lmao
To quote Tobias from the Boondocks. “You know what I’m sick of. You two blaming the white man for everything. The white man this, the white man that. You’ll never get anywhere with that attitude.”
Ironic coming from a collaborator who tried to stop a slave uprising
@@EmptyMan000 At least Boondocks Seasons 1, 2 and 3 were better written than Louder and Prouder.
What sucks the most for me personally being white is that I'm also Jewish. I never had ancestors that owned slaves, but I get lumped in with the majority because of the color of my skin. I lost over half my family to Nazis during WWII and it's hard to think about sometimes. I remember being in school and going to a Holocaust Museum where my peers just laughed at some of the Jewish heritage items that were there. I've been bullied relentlessly for being Jewish, but I still have to suffer the whole thing with, "Well you're white so it's obvious your family must have owned slaves at one point." My people were massacred, experimented on, turned into slaves, cremated in ovens (which I was made fun of for as well), and to this day still have to suffer from the likes of Holocaust deniers, antisemitism, and all kinds of other hate. Are we a perfect people? No. But no one is.
It makes topics like this so difficult because I don't feel like I'm even allowed to talk about it due of backlash I could get for daring to speak my mind. I'm not trying to downplay what blacks and other races go through, but I am trying to explain that you cannot judge every white person for the fact that they're white. I don't like the Proud Family or its reboot (they just aren't my cups of tea), but I would love to see an episode that explores Jewish hate and the pain we share with others. Also an episode that's about unifying together from shared pain between different races rather than just going and focusing only on one and demonizing another just because some of their ancestors made horrible choices.
Just overall equality would be beautiful.
I agree with you. My grandpa on my mom's side came from Polish immigrants, and my Nonna on my dad's side came form Italian immigrants. Also, my grandma on my mom's side lived in New Castle, Pennsylvania (a small area near Pittsburgh) and her family were hard works with a family of kids. Her grandpa was also growing up poor and raised chickens. Nobody owned slaves in my family, I wish people wouldn't assume that all white people were slave owners. Also, the white people in today's world don't have anything to do with the choices their ancestors made.
I'm in a very similar boat to you. My grandparents on my mother's side were Hungarian Jews and lost everyone to the Holocaust, then fled to Canada to escape Soviet occupation. While I fortunately haven't experienced too much antisemitism, my mother has, and to this day remains very closed off about her heritage. On my father's side, my family comes from the island of Barbados. My grandfather and grandmother were poor and came to Canada because some of their family successfully immigrated. They had to work hard to get to a comfortable position of living where they could raise kids happy and healthy. As for myself, I have autism (formerly asperger's syndrome), so I have lost many opportunities that most people would take readily because I know I could not handle the pressure. At my current job, I actually had to fight for the right to take less money for less work. Just because my family and I are white doesn't mean that we don't have our own hardships, or that we are inherently racist, etc. Every person is an individual and has an individual story, with highs and lows, loss and love. We should be trying to build bridges with these shared emotions rather than building walls because of hate and prejudice.
Im not trying to disrespect all you’ve went through or your struggles at all but personally I wouldn’t consider Jews white all Jews are descendants of the 12 tribes of Judah which was in the Middle East I think Jews are just white passing and this is not saying that white people don’t go through or went through oppression discrimination or racism at all I would never disrespect what people went through
Pro Palestinians are rolling on the ground
as a black person I'm sorry people treated u like that just because you were Jewish and white Jewish people been through so much discrimination just as black people have
I just didnt understand why they got mad at Zoey for the boy having a white girl preference. Shouldn’t they take issue with him? If Zoey turned him down, he probably just would have asked a different white girl to go out.
That reminds me of the fact that women are usually to blame for men's actions (ex. cheating husband? Automatically blame the mistress, even if she legitimately didn't know he was married. Additionally, if a man cheats on his wife it's because his wife did something to drive him away).
Not like they don't have boyfriends already anyway...
Yes
I reckon more-classically-attractive people aren't expected to apologize to less-classically-attractive people for getting more dates, for example, so I don't see the point of apologizing to people who didn't get picked by someone with a bias, kink, or preference.
@@dinosaysrawr I think so too
My main problem with the slavery episode, other then how they treated Barry, is that they live in California. A state that had no slaves, in fact, judges ruled in favor of freeing slaves more when people brought them to the state and the slave sued for freedom. How can a city in slave free state be founded on slave plantation?
Edit:It has been drawn to my attention and through more research, there were slave owners keeping their slaves in the mountain area of the state during the civil war. I am sorry for an possible misunderstanding that could have happened through this.
But even with this information, it does not make the episode better for how they treat it and pushing the idea of white guilt and privilege.
hey that's a good point ,I didn't even take the state into acount. i KIND of forgot what state they even lived in and have avoided this cruddy reboot they made.
But your right this makes literaly no since that a slave owner would have founded a town in a slave free state.
I don't think claiming California didn't have any slave is historically accurate. When Californian was still under Spanish rule, some Natives were slaves of Spaniards.
@@BroJo676 I was speaking of the time they were bringing up, the mid 1800, after they ceoded from Mexico.. If we include all human history, then I'm sure natives could have had slaves too.
@@BroJo676 Well if you want to get technical then technicaly native americans in historyt have actualy wared against each other, genecided each other, and enslaved each other. some even commited casnablism which not only can they confirm but hey literaly have folk lores about that soer of evil and it predates europeans showing up.
But I think the point here is. Black slave plantations weren't in California. And NATIVe Americans don't count as Black. infact their were native tribes guilty of taking Blacks as slaves too. and even whites as slaves. Slavery isn't all that black and white when it comes to race. you know.
The africans even captured each other and enslaved each other. and that's how the Atlantic slave trade actualy got it's slaves, because Africa is full of diseases that would have killed europeans. and the kind of guns they had back then would not have been all that useful againstafrican wild life since you have take time to load a barrle with powder. Guns were a lot more complicated and convoluted back then.
Hell literally I think the most fastest country that banned slavery which slavery happened every where and all colors did it hell there were black owners that were rich that were by white owners who had slaves even would be watcher to see if any slaves be out of line but anyways the country is called maurtina 2007 was when goverment was pressured by its own people get it where slav owners get prosecuted but in 1981 was when it abolished slavery yet slave owners wouldn't be charged until liek I said 2007
Zoe shouldn't have had to apologize. Poor girl :(
Yeah :(
I agree.
They literally make Penny apologize when she doesn’t do anything. It’s not about race. Don’t victimize her
Be real, race had something to do with it. They were racist to her@@TimothyWest-dg7yq
@@TimothyWest-dg7yq she had to apologize to her friends because someone else had a preference for white girls 😭
Lets be honest Zoey deserves better friends. And thank you for bringing this up
They could've tackled the colorist-racist-fetishist problem without implying that Zoey was ugly in the subtext
This friend group is literally SO toxic. They constantly say how nerdy she is, how skinny she is, how goofy her braces are, how she will never have a boyfriend because she’s nerdy…. They LITERALLY are just jealous and treat her so bad and the fact they try to turn it into a race thing is awful.
And I hate how they get mad at Barry for not IMMEDIATELY being upset about his uncle and then they act like he was the one who contributed to his uncle’s actions… it’s not right. And to blame him for something he didn’t even do is messed up.
It reminds me of the concept of Three-generational punishment from North Korea. Making someone that had nothing to do with the given crime still pay for it. It's insanity.
Especially because the second she does they start with racist accusations immediately.
What's funny is that she's the most attractive and appealing character in the show because of those qualities.
That's okay. Redheaded nerd girl glow up is quite a thing Irl
@@lipstickthesbian13 I'm not on board with the idea that any color of nerd girl needs a glow up.
It's weird that they focused on Barry's white privilege while ignoring Wizard Kelly outright ordering the cops around
Money over race.
They don't care cause he's a black guy, and wokeness only has issues with white people
Legit. Classism is the bigger issue here
I just don’t get what privilege therr talking about it’s not like we are back in the 60s
exactly what makes this even more bullshit! wizard kelly (a black man) is the "jim crow" of the moment, directing the police to arrest them!
love how if you actually pay attention to the episode it's implied the main reason noah even noticed zoey out of the sea of "pretty white girls" he could have went for wasn't the colorist narrative penny and her friends concocted out of maya's instigating ass rumor and jealously it was the fact that zoey treated him like a regular human being when all of the other students were all up on him and he himself just wanted a normal highschool experience ... to be liked for who he was not just his good looks.
obviously they didn't like that he paid more attention to her than them and noticed a "pattern" with all of his previous dates skin complexions so they dogpiled this innocent girl for something ENTIRELY out of her control, made HER apologize and essentially told her she's ugly and no guy would like her for anything else other than her skin tone anyways because they couldn't fathom someone actually liked her for her and that is beyond fucked of a message to send. this show loves to preach and preach from a soapbox with no actual literacy in the history of its message while fumbling episode after episode where they could have compelling storytelling about the issues that impact our communities.
SJW types try to teach empathy but end up having none of it or even worse are bigoted in a different way.
What made the Zoe situation even worse, was Noah walked passed several other white girls who would be considered more "attractive" than Zoe, and better for his "image" if he was just going to public school and going to date a "normal" girl for a publicity stunt, yet he chose her.
IIRac, Penny, Dijonay, Micheal, and LaCi were happy for her until Maya opened her big mouth with the whole "my cousin said XYZ".
And then at the end of the episode, Maya has the balls to say "This is why us girls gotta stick together", like the writers completely forgot that Maya started this whole situation by running her mouth. 😂😅
Like imagine if they had found out Noah was just dating Zoe for a publicity stunt, which was kind of hinted as to why he wanted to go to a public school in yhe first place.
But we dont see Zoe or Noah's PoV in yhe episode, we just see Penny's. -_-
White privilege is when I go into a store, it doesn’t cross my mind that someone might think I’m stealing something. That people will treat me like I’m not supposed to be somewhere. Sometimes, it’s simply being ignored. And not having to fear for my life when I see red & blue lights.
I do not feel guilty. I can’t control what my ancestors did. I control myself; and I try my hardest to make sure that I treat everyone with the same respect as I want them to treat me. And I vote.
The slavery episode also doesnt make sense since it was in california a free stste unde mecican rule until 1850 and it depicts southern plantation slavery. And the fact that barry is a descendant of the founder even though he and his family just moved there.
Like they just moved to the state, cause that is weird, but then again, they probably didn't focus on logic with all the wokeness they were adding
@tonemaster4608 this. The story could make more sense if Maya's family visited a plantation for a family reunion in Barry's hometown which is in the south and he's the founder of the town. And she has mixed feelings about her adopted ancestor being a former slave owner. Also the emily could be spiced up accusations she had a child with Smith to reflect the debate with jefferson and his relationship with Sally hemings.
Hooo... How to unpack this:
Mexico's abolition of slavery dates back to its own war for independence, even had a black president. It chose to remain a free state despite being adopted into the United States. If you notice on the map of the lower 48, you'll see that weird line all the way through the US up until it hits Nevada, which was the old border of the California territory. That line is the divisive line that went between slave and free state. Anything above that after a certain date could only be free states. Anything below it, only slave states.
@@tonemaster4608 and still doesn't deter plantation slavery wasn't practiced in California nor cotton
@@92JazzQueen not to mention they never addressed how white people actually got the slaves, nor do they address any other slaves except black people
A great uncle isn't far enough back for someone to have owned slaves. That guy looks about 40- 50, A great uncle would have been a WWII generation. You'd have to go back about 2 more generations for someone to have owned slaves.
Great Great Great Great uncle
So at that point someone so far removed from your direct family line that they are barely related to you and mean nothing to your current family.
And if you KNEW your great, great, great, great uncle was wealthy enough to have had a town named after him, wouldn't you expect he might have owned some slaves if that was legal in the state?
@@marthademovimaus5140 this
@@marthademovimaus5140Legit!
I haven't seen the episode, but I don't believe that Zoey should've apologized.
I mean, what was the full apology?
"I'm sorry for not knowing that the new guy only dates white girls."
I know that I've said this before, but if the rumor said that he only dates Asians, the girls would automatically hate the Chang triplets more than they hated Zoey.
Yes, it started with Maya saying "I heard he's into white girls." The keyword/phrase here is "I heard", this whole blind hatred started over a rumor. The OG series already made an episode about why it's bad to spread rumors.
To woke people, logic goes out the window
@@tonemaster4608 The word "woke" is overused, and mostly used against people who want human rights (nothing is wrong with progressiveness and things being inclusive, our society would have never advanced if we never changed lol) . I'm pretty sure the creators aren't "woke" since their way of thinking is super closeminded
@@Iwantakrabbypatty The word "woke" isn't meant to be referring to people who are simply trying to be progressive, it's specifically referring to tone-deaf virtue-signalers who only add to the problems they claim to stand against. Technically speaking, these writers definitely count as "woke" for the simple fact that they think they're doing something progressive when they're doing the exact opposite. I agree that it's overused, but just because people started misapplying the word to progressiveness as a whole doesn't mean that's its actual definition now.
@@tonemaster4608 "wOkE" Jesus, you've got no brain.
@@EagleTimberWolfYup. That’s how I define “wokeness”. Nothing wrong with diversity at all. All I want is well written characters. I love the original Proud Family. I have never seen the reboot and the things I have heard about it make me not want to watch it.
poor Zoey. Being a teenage girl is hard enough, being a teenage girl with an akward body shape, akward height, glasses, braces, and an akward personality is even harder, trust me. I WAS a Zoey in high school. The only difference was that Zoey is tall and gangly, I’m short and built like a brick.
Imagining an attractive guy choosing you over everyone else who you feel looks better than you, was literally my exact fantasy.
Penny and her friends treating Zoey like this is so horrible because every time they stand against Zoey it’s like they’re calling her “ugly” and “unlovable”. Kind of an “ewwww why would he pick you?! Stop being delusional.” Type beat.
GOD FORBID he actually is attracted to her. Nooooo he MUST have an ulterior motive.
I think it’s weird how the show’s main characters are so goofy and cartoonish looking, but the new added side characters are drawn with more realistic detail and behave more seriously. The contrast is weird
“We need to stop racism.”
“How are we gonna do that?”
“With more racism!”
Time is a flat circle…..
“And once everyone is racist, no one will be.”
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion "............. Except for white people."
but remember, black people cant be racist 🙄
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion “And if everyone’s racist, nobody is…”
That's how the left works. They don't have a problem with racism as long as it's directed at white people.
So funny story. My family actually does have a slave owner in it. He was famous for signing the succession papers of South Carolina. But you know what? I don’t care about him. He isn’t me and he’s so far removed from my family that I don’t care. What he did was messed up of course it was, but that is his issues not mine. I’m not gonna carry around a man’s guilt especially not one I don’t agree with when it comes to his morality.
I hate how they got mad at zoey for being asked out even though they had boyfriends like what?! Not only are you putting your own friend down but there also trying to leave there boyfriend
I just made a video specifically about that too
You are easily one of the smartest people I’ve heard on this topic. You’re absolutely correct in that you don’t have to downplay one peoples’ struggles to show another’s. I saw a political comic from the early 1900’s that said “It’s not about white power or black power, but worker’s power!”
Right ‼ Thank You
10:18 About that scene, I have something to say.
That scene baffles me because I sincerely doubt white privilege would do anything. You see, white supremacy has an emphasis on "traditional gender roles", which is why its supporters love the nuclear family unit. In fact, I remember stories about the KKK going after queer people not too long ago. Hell, queer people have a history of being victims of police brutality and violence as well and still experience all of that today.
So this scene bothered me because it felt ignorant about struggles outside of racism and even how different groups actually have common enemies.
Right ‼ They basically presented White Privilege as being a superhero power that could get you out of any situation
@@TonyTurner And even then, how would this "power" of his work against Wizard Kelly?
@@MattEldritchHorror Well, Wizard Kelly does benefit from a lot of white billionaires. That's how he got his fame and fortune from being a basketball player.
@@TonyTurnerBy the power of white privilege! I activate my white flight to let us escape the situation! Away!
A white gay man who dresses in drag can be racist
Plot twist: noah was into zoe because she wasn't up in his face, like every other girl
that would have been so much better
Def more appropriate for a children's cartoon, honestly this show crosses a line where it isn't even humor and is just straight racism and shouldn't even be in an adult animation
That would've been a much healthier message to put in a kid's show. Just show us Noah on his phone with his mom gushing about how he finally found someone who treats him like he's normal and actually talks to him instead of fawning over him like he's a trophy they want to own. Imagine how much that would've humanized him while also telling the audience, "Sometimes people make things up about celebrities and you shouldn't trust everything you hear." Which, you know, is a thing? And not a new thing, either.
The biggest thing is show don’t tell. The new Proud Family tells instead of showing. Show don’t tell is very important when writing anything political. Otherwise it comes off as unsettling or preachy or hamfisted and people will dismiss the message easily.
Parasite didn’t tell us that there’s economic inequality. It showed us through things like the rainstorm (where the rich family said the rain was pretty and the poor family’s home got flooded and destroyed).
A lot of these episodes could have been saved by show don’t tell.
That's a great way of putting it too. Sometimes subtleness works better than when writers try to be "bold".
"A lot of these episodes could have been saved by show don't tell"
We live in a world of "show _and_ tell," not "show _or_ tell"
@@TonyTurner It's not always about subtleness. You can be overt as well. As long as you show your message.
This is why the segregation episode in 2003 hit hard. It starts off with Penny and her friends asking why they need to learn about black history (something a lot of people ask today) and then SHOWS us why it's important to remember what people went through so it doesn't happen again.
If some of these episodes SHOWED us more of the impacts instead of telling us (like sending them back in time to the foundings of the town, showing the South's economy being reliant on slaves and newly freed slaves' struggles after being freed, showing Zoey finding out that the actor is fetishizing her for her race and how she feels about it, etc) they could have easily made these episodes into something impactful and teach a much-needed message. Many of these episodes suffer from lazy or bad writing and it's a real shame because these are important messages.
Omg hi Kolko :)
In terms of Barry, for some reason all the slavery was mysteriously wiped from the history of the town (which is not how that works - we all know slavery existed), and so he's being told by his young daughter something that goes against what he has been told his whole life by not only his family, but the whole town. He is married to a black man, and has black children. He has surely had discussions about racism before with Randall. Randall yelling at him for his gut reaction to new and contradictory information like Barry has been unaware of racism this whole time is perplexing. I do think if I were Barry, I wouldn't have been that surprised to find out an ancestor was a slave owner because... yeah, I'm sure some of them were. But I think if the situation were real, they would have talked calmly a bit longer before handing him a book and a page number like they've been waiting for him to slip up.
honestly (coming from an asian) just imagine if this situation was reversed and zoey was black and all the other girls was white, like could you imagine the backlash the show would have gotten???
The problem with when people talk About slavery is they act like white Europeans invented it but that's not true literally every country had slavery in fact before the Atlantic slave trade there was a period of time where North Africans where capturing and enslaving white Europeans the only unique thing the Europeans brought to slavery was when Britain was the first country to abolishe it
This isn't to downplay or justify European slavery but to act like white people are at fault for slavery even when the term slave came From the fact of the high amount of white slaves that became slave's and it was something done in every corner of the world since the beginning of human civilization is just wrong
But the problem is no one does their history homework, and schools never go past the black slavery part, hell they even teach kids white people captured them, when in reality, almost every black slave was sold by other black people, don't forget Africa is the second deadliest place in the world, because of the animals, there's no way people with no experience we're gonna make it in that place, they couldn't even go past the beach
That is the thing!! Everyone goes after the US mainly for it! But not Haiti or any other Southern American or Caribbean areas! And while it was still very wrong, they were treated mod like cattle and less like disposable usage along with only having 5% coming in! Also the Africans that lived in Africa were the sellers with Europeans the buyers! Yet the US gets the whole blame!
The word "Slave" is derived from "Slav".
Putting that out there...
@@kingoffire105 don't forget about the Barbary states to which an entire war was fought. Twice. And was the reason why the Navy and the Marines were created. No, like literally. First line of the Naval Creation Act of 1794.
@@PhillyCh3zSt3ak Oh, well good to know! Thanks for the information!
As a white person, white guilt is feeling bad for something you didn't do. And potentially your ancestors didn't even do. But it was bad. And there's apparently nothing you can do to fix the fact that people who looked like you 150 years ago were unethical assholes. And because they were bad people, the world is unfair and wealth and opportunity were unevenly distributed.
So I'm going to handle the Juneteenth episode first since I think it ties better into the history question. Maya's father is, in part, being held guilty for the sins of, not his direct ancestors, but a "great uncle." (And just to be clear, I'm about the same age as her dad now, and a great uncle is, generation-wise, equivalent to grandfather. My grandparents were born in the 1930s. The ones who were alive and adults during the Civil War? That would make them my great-great-great-great-great uncle. It's been about 7 generations for me since that time. But apparently, that's not long enough. Nor is that being depicted fairly.
(BTW, if it matters to you, my family was in the North. I have union soldiers in my background, and while it's a slim possibility that my ancestors owned slaves, none of the records I've seen indicate my mother's side had slaves. My father's side was in Canada, and the records are a little confusing (as in I do not know if my ancestor owned slaves or was a slave) confusing.) I'd really need to hire a professional to untangle that knot of 1820s French documents.)
Anyway, Maya's white father got confronted with information he clearly didn't know about because no one knew about it.. So of course he didn't believe it. And his first reaction was to deny it. He doesn't want to think about his family that way. And if it's true, what hadn't he heard about it? I think those are pretty normal reactions as a human being. I do think he should have taken the time to read the diary. That was his mistake. He didn't even consider the evidence in his kneejerk response to something he didn't want to be true. And the show doesn't really give him time to process things.
In regards to the statue, I think more information is needed. "He was a slave owner" doesn't really tell us much on its face. The statue wasn't for him being a slave owner (unlike the one on the docks in the UK. That statue celebrating a guy for buying and selling slaves, was a real WTF and definitely needed to come down). Did he found the town while keeping secret from his slaves that they were actually free, as some tried to do that attempted to bring slavery to California? Did he change his mind and free people? Because it's not his fault if he inherited slaves and was born into the system and then had to figure out that it was wrong after being raised with propaganda that it was right, and then decide to free people.
So yeah. A lot matters about WHY the statue was made, and what he actually did about the slaves he owned.
There's also the fact that the diary was probably a forgery because of its historical inaccuracy. And that's a huge problem for the episode. (The Proud Family episode about racism decides to ignore the fact that in the 1820s, when "smith" founded the town, it was mainly a land of Latinos from Spain and Native American tribes. America didn't start exporting slaves and slave owners to California until 1848, after it acquired the territory from Mexico. But you know, Latinos and Native Americans don't really count for anything in race stories ::sarcasm::
So the whole "Christian is a slave owner" thing was clearly a plot by the development team to try to say something about slavery, because they badly botched the history, in universe, it actually seriously looks more like a smear campaign against the town's founder than uncovering a horrible truth. A story where mob rule "corrects" the historical record to the wrong conclusion. Which is unfortunate , because there are plenty of true stories and facts they could have used instead to tell a story of slavery that we don't talk about much since California was so far west. This is a case of should have done the research.
Anyway, statues. What the statue is meant to commemorate, and the entire history of the person in question is important.
On to geek girl Zoey.
So we've got a white nerdy girl who pulls in a hot guy, and her friends tell her she only got the guy because she's white.
As a former nerdy white girl, that sucks and her friends are just being mean to her. Other white girls exist in the world (he ends up with one of them at the end). So implying that your ugly nerdy friend should never get the guy because she's an ugly nerd makes you a crappy person. He had his pick of the world, and he chose her, for some reason.
When the end comes around and she apologizes to them, and then they walk off with their boys while she is stuck alone in the corner and worthy only of the ugly nerdy boy trying to talk her up, which she doesn't seem thrilled with, that's just mean. Poor girl already learned the guy only liked her for her skin (which, I have to say, is very weird. I know many people who have racial preferences, but usually that's just for physicality, and who you dates is based on their actual personality, otherwise you're just a crappy person using other people as dildos.) When your gal pal learns that the guy she was with was only dating her for her body, usually you console her and tell her what a jerk he was, and get her ice cream. But Zoey got abandoned by her girls.
these same girls who were drooling after the light skinned guy rather than their darker skinned boyfriends.
Yeah, this episode is not sending the message it thinks it is. It put its own higher value on lighter skin. But it's okay because the girls doing it are black, I guess?
I don't get mixed up in that kind of thinking too much since it's not a white person ethical issue to decide if it's okay or not for black people to like lighter skinned black people better. But it does seem kind of hypocritical.
But anyway, Zoey returns to her position as lowest girl on the totem pole. And that makes everyone else feel better and justified that a cute guy could never really like her. And so she has to apologize for someone else's sexual preferences because she's white. Go Zoey.
plus the boy isnt even wrong either, like zoey. He doesnt hate other black people, hes allowed to have a preference. Penny and her friends are just ghetto tbh there was nothing wrong with what zoey or noah did. If he said he didnt like black girls/people in general, that would have been different. ugh.
I find it so odd in that episode that everyone treats Zoey like she’s the problem and not a word is said about the black guy who shows interest in her. Like?? It’s not her fault the dude showed an interest!
Again scrapegoating the white girl.
They're jealous THOTS who tried to guilt Zoey. That's it.
Right? And it is not even his fault for having a preference. Just imagine someone having a problem with a white guy only dating black girls.
@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid so true!
It's not even the guy's fault for having a preference. They all immediately jumped the gun and assumed the absolute worst thing about the guy out of spite because being a colorist is the only logical explanation why a handsome guy like Noah was attracted to "ugly" Zoey.
This seems like a very level-headed analysis, you bring up valid points. Discrimination can go both ways depending on context and appearance.
I definitely believe in the existence of white privilege, I have seen POC being flagged down in a store for looking "suspicious" (Black with a hoodie) and their mistreatment at the hands of the police. I am aware some employers will filter out candidates with black sounding names, as well as the issue of generational poverty in the black community caused by policies such as redling and segregation.
But I've also been bullied and harassed for being the only white kid in class (Add on being gay and poor too) Discrimination doesn't feel any better no matter what your color, religion or creed, it's a silent evil that can only be cured with awareness, action and empathy. In the words of Daisy: "We must love each other, or we must die." We must remember the sins of the past but not be stuck there.
Also they're just being bad friends to Zoey she did nothing wrong.
I have had people apologize for being white. And it makes me so mad because they have nothing to apologize for
Should not make someone feel bad just because of the color they are or their racial background. Those are things you cannot control.
Can we please stop doing this to our children?
Discrimination is allways bad. White People can be victims too and Black People can be the perpetrator.
Yes you are right discrimination is terrible but what is terrible what is going on in the black community because there is crimes that go on in the black community that no one wants to talk about it when it's about BLM they always want to focus on the white privilege
People forget racism doesn't care about what race people are, just that there is hate for them
As a black man I agree with you white people can be victims also of depression yes black people can be predators because not everyone in the black community are saints that is true that why people can benefit from White privilege it doesn't mean that white people don't have any issues or any victimization because all black people think about is being a victim of society but they will not focus what's going on in the black community there are also predators in the black community that are doing arm to the community 19:21
We kno white people are always victims
@@wyntahb3968 yeah and you guys always are sure
You know what would be a crazy turn of events? If the boy all the girls like told Zoey that he didn't like girls who was interested in him because of his light skin color and he just wanted to avoid that mess altogether.
I wish they would have shown the conversation between Zoe and Noah. All we get is that he admitted he dates white girls. That doesn't really tell us anything. Does he date white girls because he's racist? Does he date white girls because he finds red or blond hair pretty, and that most often occurs in white people? Does he date white girls because he grew up in the Hollywood system where people of color are drastically underrepresented, so most of the girls he was surrounded by happened to be white, and that's what he's used to? The episode treats Noah like a villain, and we never even learn if he actually did anything bad!
True ‼ They should've really dug deeper into Noah's character
True! The Hollywood one sounds great, because it could go into the issue of how Hollywood STILL shows a massive preference towards certain races that affects both viewers and child actors, which sounds like a much better lesson than “If you’re the token ugly friend you shouldn’t expect anyone remotely attractive to want you”
Exactly, Noah's preference could even juat be explained away by experience, EG: him finding most PoC girls as too "loud", abrasive or just too much drama to deal with. So him picking Zoe in the cafeteria is because, unlike the other girls, she was being quite and not in his face.
IKR Preference is a thing. Some white girls say they prefer guys with darker skin, just because they find it attractive. Like, he's not racist just for having a preference.
@@jocelynecupcake That is a thing, but tell that to the writers. Dijonay's BF points this out in the eppisode, only to have Maya come and and be all "that's racist"
I dont talk about this very much, i was (and still am) a very irish pale kid, and i went to a school primarily filled with black and mexican kids. These kids bullied me RELENTLESSLY, about my skin, my last name, alot of things. I was treated differently because of this, idk i really hope i dont get blasted for this. I was really hurt, i hated being compared to mayo or mozzarella, or any of that other stuff....im scared to even put this comment up
Sorry you had to go through that. I try my best to make my comment section a safe space
@@TonyTurner thank you
Honestly, I wouldve just ditched them if I was Zoey. I've learned through experience that friendships don't last and sometimes aren't worth keeping
If Disney had done that, as far as the execs think (KK hella definitely included, thank you South Park), they'd of had to give in to the public scrutiny that they're receiving right now. Kathleen Kennedy has a death-grip on Disney as a company, and she sure as hell ain't gonna let go. This was the lady who last year tried to sue Matt Stone and Trey Parker over an episode of South Park where they *dared* to criticize her.
@@Rebel_Railroad_Productions what public scrutiny?
@@danthedork965 Their stocks and bonds having less value than they did five years ago, the lukewarm (that's me trying to be nice) enthusiasm that their films get now, the bad audience reception to said films, open and public criticism on social sites and YT of their company, their mismanagement for Disney+, the list is actually numerous.
@@danthedork965 For some reason, TH-cam deleted the first comment I sent.
I could see it going both ways, honestly. Yes, Zoey's friends treat her horribly, but there's not a whole lot of options in a school setting; it's hard to end a friendship with a clean break unless you switch schools (which is a huge lifestyle change for a kid and often not feasible for the parents). It'd make sense if she stopped hanging out with them outside of school, but then she has to deal with the added pressure of breaking the status quo. If she breaks that status quo by avoiding them or ending the friendships, she risks the group behaving exactly how they did in this episode. She probably thinks she'll suffer less by remaining their friend than she would trying to leave and making enemies of them all.
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All the colorism episode told me was " know your place. Stay in your lane, keep to *your kind* (not just skin) and if not, you're the worst kind of person." Zoe apologizing is just so wrong. She did nothing wrong, and her taking responsibility for someone else's actions is so terrible and perpetuates a VERY bad habit of girls having to take responsibility for boys and what they do(thats a whole other ball of wax). He didn't get upfront heat for anything. He didn't get ridiculed or get shamed by his friends, day in and day out- he just moved on, got a different date and continued living his best life. Meanwhile, Zoe was body shamed, made to feel she committed some crime for accepting the attention of someone else, as if her actions alone are to blame.
Is feels like the beginning of a much scarily similar scenario girls deal with; the baby version of "If you didn't want x's attention, why did you dress that way? Why did you look/talk to them if you didn't want x to happen to you?"
It doesn't matter her "friends" apologized; they wouldn't have if she didn't do it first (unjustly) and their admittance of their wrong doing is so short it's like an afterthought. Basically a hand wave. If my friends did this to me, I would have left them for good. In fact. I did. (part of a mixed group, I'm multiracial and we had a girl in our native longhouse who acted this way. drawing lines between people based on our skin tone. She was terrible and hateful, everyone started to avoid her.)
Those are **not** friends, Zoe needs to move on and find people who don't stick her in a box they labeled for her. Because the GUILT lumped onto her for just existing is something that screws with peoples minds as they get older. Zoe's actions in this episode seem to look like she's meant to be going down a dark path of internalized self hatred in order to be accepted by her friends. It reminds of the guilt lumped onto religious kids who are taught from an early age they are sinful creatures, (especially girls) and they're innate (racism) sinfulness is something they must constantly watch out for, and apologize for, and whip themselves mentally for. As if it's part of who they are as humans beings no matter who they become or what they do, they will never ' be clean' (not racist).
This episode basically, killed the show for me. Because at the end of the day I feel the episode didn't do enough to show this kind of thinking is WRONG. We don't get to absorb the moment of resolution long enough and yah.. that ending. the episode unfortunately frames this whole thing as if this is the **right way** to handle this situation. Teens are flawed, and this is a flawed way of thinking, and there's' nothing wrong with having an episode showing that--- but the emphasis on Zoe's ostracization lingers FAR too long and makes her "friends" look like the justified party and them treating Zoe this way is **correct**.
And **thats** my biggest worry/issue with the topic/episode over all.
But thanks for reviewing the show all the same, you're stronger than me to revisit these episodes.
It's funny.
Black people pushed to dismantle white only schools, yet then did a 180° and made black only schools. "You can't exclude us, as a matter of fact, you have to include us in everything, but we can exclude you all we want"
Or I remember a movie based off a true story, where a white woman wanted to adopt a black girl, but the NAACP said white people can't adopt black children, and only blacks are allowed to adopt blacks
Zoey had NOTHING to apologize for. If anybody, Penny and Dijonay need to apologize to their boyfriends, because they were willing and were going to dump them for Noah. Also, can we also talk about how this episode is hypocritaly against interracial relationships, when the main instigator in this episode, Maya, has two fathers who are in an interracial relationship?
I'm mixed, and it's hard to talk to either of my parents about how it feels moving in the world, it feels like they have half the picture sometimes, so I'm thankful to your video. I'm not very well spoken about my feelings, but I feel like I have a safe space in this video to think about it. Thank you much. :)
Old problem: treating people differently based on skin color
Old solution: treating people equally regardless of skin color
New problem: treating people equally regardless of skin color
New solution: treating people differently based on skin color
Fr tho
It still shocks me that people still believe racism isnt still a thing and doesn’t exist anymore.
There's people who think the Earth is flat. At this point I'm only surprised if everyone IS on the same page.
Yeah it does exist. It's in the opposite direction now.
Minorities keeping it alive
White person thought: I feel like doing an episode on white guilt should include a white character using their "guilt" to overtake conversations or decenter a topic in order to have people focus on how bad THEY feel about a race-related topic. So, rather than having Zoey be penitent for just existing, maybe instead have her hear the rumour and then make a big scene about Noah's "preferences," which just causes discomfort for everyone because it's a rumour and Zoey is just trying to "look like a good ally." Have her be exaggerated about feeling guilty "for being white," which can create conversation that it's not about feeling guilty because you're white, but just being aware of issues that might not be noticeable because of your privilege.
With Barry, I think his initial reaction of disbelief is normal. Who wants to believe their family member owned slaves? That's a hard truth to reconcile with. However, his response of "who knows if any of this actually happened" does deserve some criticism and could dovetail nicely into the white guilt/fragility topic, because that phrasing leans into dismissing the topic rather than being open to evidence and learning about the history. White people reacting in a way that makes themselves the center of conversation is far too common, and it often derails what is being talked about in order to make the white person "feel better."
I don't know. I feel like having an episode that focuses on the message of "don't just sit there feeling guilty, what are you going to do to help" would be a more effective way to tackle white guilt.
Especially since California was a “free” state. The show takes place in California.
As a white woman, I agree that this is an interesting and novel way to approach the topic in a piece of media, and quite productive to boot. I'd be quite pleased to see that topic be tackled in a tactful manner.
It's a good thing the episode has the rest of Leibowitz-Jenkins family talk it out. Barry learns that hiding an ancestral past just because he doesn't like it only adds to the problem.
It's even sweet that Maya (y'know, the one who most people of the OG show dislike) is the one who forgives him first, especially because she knows that Barry meant no harm towards his kids and husband, and because he was willing to defy racism rather than deny racism.
And yet haters will ignore that.
This is very well said.
I am a lesbian so I am really happy when I see lgbtq represation in the media! Especially when it is handled the right away in kid's shows (Where the emphasis isn't about sex, it is about the fact that different types of families and different types of people exist and they are all worthy of being here!) But, with these two gay dads....They don't even seem to like each other! Ive seen them be really snippy a few times in the show! It's like c'mon! That is the man you love! You don't scream at him to "use his white privilege" when being white would have nothing that would have stopped the riot or kept characters from being locked up! What was he supposed to do? Was supposed to say "Hey, im a white guy! Im going to use my white privilege to make this stop! Activate whiteness power!" Like....honestly there was nothing he could have done and his "husband" and his kids who "love" him seriously thought that he could stop them from being arrested just because he was white? It does not add up. He and Zoe need to find different friends and family because the ones they have clearly don't appreciate them for who they are! Zoe has a group of mainly black friends! Barry married a black man! Clearly they are not racist! This episode show has insulted: black people, white people and gay people. Kids don't need to see this!
Being a 1st gen white American, I don't understand why it is expected of me to feel guilty for something that happened hundreds of years ago to which I had no say so in the matter. It is ridiculous.
They’ll deny it, but antiwhite hate stems from envy and a severe inferiority complex. Many “pocs” don’t really mind slavery, oppression, colonialism, and discrimination, so long as they’re the ones holding the whip. Our ancestors haven’t done anything that theirs haven’t been guilty of themselves. The only difference is that ours were better at it.
You also notice it's only for the white descendants, but none of it is for the black descendants for selling said slaves
An yet u benefit from every part of it that's the funny thing
@@wyntahb3968 and that's our fault how? Besides your ancestors were no better anyway.
@@wyntahb3968 and of course a racist shows up to say white privilege
I loved this video! Very informative. I haven't seen the Proud Family but you just made me want to watch it, especially for the fruitful and thought-provoking discussions. Just subscribed!
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This is very refreshing.
I am subscribing.
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I grew up in a very diverse area. In highschool, I realized that a lot of the people were prejudiice toward white people :( I once got into a debate (Freshman year highschool, so YEARS pre covid) with a group of girls because we had a project to make up fake schools and they only wanted black schools which literallly segragates people again. People I graduated with literally made jokes about making a certain white hooded group but for white people. I grew up feeling guilty for being white because of how my peers treated me :( people I did know have said prejudice stuff about white people, turn to me and go "No offense" like that makes it better, even had people assume I was racist because of the color of my skin. They act like you can't be racist to a white person. The more and more I'm on social media like tik tok I realize that some people always make it a race thing. I'm so tired of it, who cares what color we are. We're all human.
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(Sorry for typos, its 3am where I am as of typing that, also not saying this is everyones experience just mine.)
No because as a mixed person who goes to a majority black school, there is so much crap given to white students for being white. A predominently white school visited mine and were bombarded with cracker comments.
As well as me also being treated very poorly, being told I am not allowed to call myself black even though being afro carribean(dougla dad) is literally in my blood and I was raised by an african american(non bio grandma). The reasoning is always because I am half white, because being half white apparently negates everything else.
I am also indo carribean(dougla dad) but you wouldn't know because thats ignored completely to poke fun at me for my african and white parts. I had a people literally changing my race on records to hispanic, even though no where in my ancestry points to a spanish speaking country.
Their logic is so flawed they don't think I should be allowed to identify as anything in my blood. It doesn't matter, because I don't have the 4c hair of a fully black person, or the strongly shaped nose of a fully indian person, or the skin color of a fully white person.
I get teased for "not owning my race" when they don't even let me. I can't escape it either because other people will bring it up. Its always white this, black that, and I've actually started to grow an avoidance to hanging around black people because I am afraid my race will be brought up and scrutinized.
Sorry about the long reply.
it's sad, if there's one thing people shouldn't have to apologize for, it's the color of their skin. :( No matter if they're black, white, brown, whatever. I'm sorry you had to go through that. (Edit) (I know you never mentioned anything about apologizing for anything but I just thought I'd mention that. I'm just talking about people as a whole.)
@@birdhousewatch3322 Nah I get it, surprisingly it doesn't effect me much anymore since I'm busy with work and my own problems haha. It was really only when I was in school.
I also grew up in a very diverse school, and this is almost the exact same thing that I experienced. I can't even count how many times I've been called a colonizer by both my friends AND kids I didn't even know. It was frustrating, and I began to hate my skin color because of it. When I told people I didn't appreciate being called a colonizer, they shot me down. Someone even told me that I "couldn't handle the truth".
Fighting racism with racism doesn't make things better. If we want to end it once and for all, then no race should be superior than the other.
relatable. very sorry you grew up around that.
Honestly both the slavery and the colorism episodes are so tone deaf they come at best, as parodies, at worse as doing more harm that good.
The colorism in particular with people blaming poor Zoey, who cleary has some problems with her self-image, over something she isn't at fault (How is SHE the one at fault over the guy preferring white girls?), the fact the whole colorism thing comes after the others got rejected by the guy (with no proof other than word of mouth) also comes as pure evil, "Oh he likes you for the color of your skin and nothing more!", getting body shamed by your "friends", friends who are jealous for her scoring the popular guys WHILE THEY HAVE BOYFRIENDS THEMSELVES, and is Zoey the one that has to apologize first? Come on!
The Slavery episode for its part, for an episode trying to promote the "truth" it takes many historical liberties (and some fabrications) to push the point, something that to me comes as contradictory. Barry getting attacked over "white fragility" for not believing something straight up also annoys me. and so does the "Do something with you white privilege" because as the previous point, it ends being contradictory, because Barry being white doesn't matter at all, he is also completely powerless to stop Wizard actions, Wizard who is BLACK and has THE POWER, what "white privilege" is here?
Both Barry and Zoey get unjust attacked and blamed for things they had no control over and only because their color of their skin, for a show trying to take issues of racism, that comes as pretty damn racist to me.
Not to mention you know the never going to address the fact black people are the ones that sold black people to the white people, and black people had white slaves
I just wish we didn't even have this separation of white vs black. As a white girl, I've had times of getting the stink eye from POC who are complete strangers, and that voice in the back of my mind is just like "they don't like because I'm white." And yeah, there are people white people who do the same to POC, but if we can recognize how awful that is, then why is it okay the other way around? I've even had people tell me I'm not allowed to talk about certain POC issues, just because I'm white. Yes, I am privilaged. That don't automatically make me a racist.
Tearing down white people doesn't fix racism, anymore than tearing down men fixes misogamy
Racism doesn't fix racism, but those specific people don't get it.
they also love to act like back then every single white person was a colonizer slave owner. like no my ancestors were slovenian farmers. 😭 what they don’t realize is people of every race owned slaves and people of every race were enslaved. they talk about reparations but if you wanted to give reparations to everyone who had enslaved ancestors you’d have to pay like half the world. even if that white person was like spanish or english and had colonizer and slave owner ancestors, how tf is that their fault? what can they do about it?
@@Nakia11798they do get it, they are playing dumb to continue being racist consequence free
Idk ask yt people to stop creating more racism. There is a reason yt people have managed to piss off EVERY OTHER SINGLE RACE IN THE WORLD. 😂 ya’ll the common denominator and the most oblivious to your own actions. Want to stop racism? It begins with yt people who started it.
@@Nakia11798when will yt people get it? They are the ONLY race to piss off every other race 😂 yet the ones who act like they aren’t the ones who started and continue it the most.
First slave owner was black. Anthony Johnson.
I am Mexican and white, here in Mexico people sometimes joke about my skin color saying “you privilege white” “gringa (I am not)” and so on and so forth, I know that they are joking but the fact that my skin is something that other people care about is pretty uncomfortable. When I knew about this episode I found funny that the series is about inclusion and all that, but god help that an interracial couple exists, must of my boyfriends had been dark skinned and that is the last thing that I see, I just know that I love this person that just happens to be dark skinned, no all people who is in an interracial couple wants to make whitewashing, some of us just don’t care about color because it doesn’t matter.
Are we just going to ignore the fact that Penny and some of her friends already have boyfriends and love interests? Seriously so what if Zoey has someone who has an admirer. Zoey needs to find better friends. I'll admit Noah was nonchalant through and through but the friends were bad.
As a WOC (cringe phrase, I know) white guilt makes me feel really uncomfortable. I’m not saying white people shouldn’t recognize things like systemic racism or white privilege, but there’s a very delicate line between being aware of these things and being a weirdo. I really don’t appreciate the feeling of a whole race trying to “atone” to me or speak up on my behalf, or put me and other non-white people on pedestals as if we’re some sort of enlightened people or martyrs. This is part of the reason as to why I really hate bread-tube and a lot of leftist spaces. It feels like a whole horde of people trying to convince us that they’re “one of the good ones”.
But it's not a cringe phrase??? It's just a descriptor
The thing is, white guilt and white privileged are the CAUSE of this. It’s not a nuance topic - when you tell a whole race of people they have privileges due solely to their race and leave out a TON of other reasons WHY African Americans have in certain situations, you’re opening a can of worms. Like we can’t ever talk about black culture and how they don’t have a strong family unit which contributes a WHOLE LOT to how successful a child becomes. It’s not SOLEY because of “white man evil”
@@vi0let831 maybe she just doesn’t like labels 🤷♀️
Love that attitude. It's more important to acknowledge and not repeat history.
There's no such thing as white privilege. I have never gotten special treatment just for being white. Not once. And neither has my family or my other white friends. Wealth privilege is a much more accurate term because as long as you're rich and wealthy, the only color that matters is green
nice video, always nice to hear peoples opinions on different issues, helps me stay informed
Me, who’s never seen a single second of The Proud Family: “Hmm, interesting.”
Great video bro!
Zoey and Barry are not the "enemy". They simply get the unnecessary backlash for being white. They shouldn't carry the burden of their trash ancestors ways. Lol! Keep up the amazing work!!!
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In the original series they treated Zoey as a friend. She was part of the team. Now she's the red headed meg griffin of the show.
Every time i see clips of the new seasons, the dialogue doesn’t feel like dialogue but rather a morality play written by teenagers, AT the audience. I LOVED proud family and loved their stories, and learned A LOT about living as a black teen in America, and I’ll never forget the time travel ep or the Ramadan ep because they were really good stories that moved me.
Just found this channel, and I like it. You seem very open-minded with an awakened mind.
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The problem with this episode is that it is trying to act like Zoey is in the wrong and should be the one to apologize even though she isn't. And I watched this gang tail Oscar Proud on Sticky's bike to see if the guy was cheating on Trudy and yet never at any point in this episode do any investigations into whether or not Maya's claims are true.
So we have a merry band of dumbasses, two of whom were willing to ditch their darker skin boyfriends for a guy they don't know, shut Zoey out without even telling her what's going on, don't investigate whether or not these rumors are true, don't even ask the guy why he asked Zoey out, and then have the audacity to blame Zoey for all of this despite the fact that all she did was accept the invitation of a guy asking her out. How are we supposed to have a legitimate conversation about colorism when the one that the writers are telling us is in the wrong has literally done nothing wrong over the course of the entire episode?
It makes no goddamn sense. It just makes this friend group even more toxic than they already were and makes them look like a bunch of ignorant dumbasses.
Like and what made even less sense is that they thought he picked Zoey for being White when there were dozens of other prettier white girls around him trying to get his attention!
Yeah, like how it could had been if the white boy picked Zoey, mainly because she was the ONLY girl in the school who wasn't inmediately fawning over him, like he wants to be with someone and that it wasn't because he is the popular kid.
I feel always bad when I see that someone is forcing "White guilt" on all white people including me even if me and my ancestors are from EASTERN EUROPE. Like guys - "I am not from the noble family. My families were fighting wars not by being sent to the different countries but literally had their homes bombarded, had to fight for their lives and families. Earlier they were workers without a lands, without a name. From both sides of my family our surnames are eqivalent of people that worked on the fields to give all they could to their masters and till my generation, probably noone ever saw non white person in real life" for what the heck am I supposed to be sorry for...
I feel like americans pretty often forgetting that people of every race were slaves in some period of time and all races were slavers. I saw a photo during BLM parade of KOŚCIUSZKO statue was vandalized in america. Kościuszko - our National Hero, one of those that FREED black people from the slavery, people that vandalized were not even be able to say who he was on the video but "he was white".
I am really happy I am not living in America...
It feels like some people forget or don`t take in consideration that there are more expierences than their (the country person lives in) and history and mentality doesn`t work the same in other countries and parts of the world.
Ignorance and radicalism turn into blind hatred and then things like vandalizing of KOŚCIUSZKO statue happen. It`s sad to see, but can be taken as a lesson on what not to do and how not to be.
I hope situation changes for better and really sad about the monument. Taking monuments down isn`t really a good desicion... Soviet goverment took down monument of Katherine the second in my city and she was the one who gave my city this title (and then they put Lenin monument on the same square). The monument got restored in 80`s but still (now she and Lenin hung out on the same square. Looks epic. She`s taller than him.)..
Monuments are there for a reason - for us to remember. Even if person for which monument was built made something horrid or was not a good person.. Yeah, keep it to remember that that stuff is bad and not repeat that.
It's like people forget that slavery is mentioned several times in THE BIBLE. It shows that slavery has been around since practically the beginning of civilization. Ever since there were rich people, they would exploit other people to do work for them. Hell, the Romans were the original slave traffickers but nobody mentions them
I think it's more often than not a quiet and passive racism that runs subconsciously. Hard for it not to be when people get basically preached at about how white people should be ashamed ... for some their ancestor may or may not have even had a hand in. It seems people take a sick and twisted sense of enjoyment from "kindly" reminding people that they should have shame hanging over their heads and that even if they think they aren't, they're still racist because white. It's messed up and quite racist and I really can't wait to see people eventually move on from tossing the hate bones around.
The same americans that think that probably also think that being european automaticly makes your ancestors brutal colonizers. Nah we were buisy having our land taken you can see on old maps😭💀
@@rubbydraco1334 the countries that did the most colonization were England, France, Spain, Holland, and Portugal. The first three were the biggest colonizers with Holland taking parts of SE Asia, South Africa, and parts of the Caribbean. Portugal took Brazil and some of the smaller South American countries
I think the idea that we need to stop talking about race, while misguided, is one that I can understand the sentiment behind. The problem isn’t that we need to stop talking about race, it’s that we need to discuss it in a more constructive and nuanced way.
That Proud Family episode I think is a prime example of how not to do it. As a culture, we spend so much time talking about race in an unhelpful, predictable way that covers all the same surface level points without offering any solutions or unique perspectives.
I think what we really need to focus on is what privilege actually is, defining it as more than as abstract, theoretical superpower, and how it actually manifests on an individual and societal level. There’s so much misunderstanding about privilege out there, and I think this video does a good job at clearing up some of these misconceptions.
^ THIS
Wowww!!! This video made me realize that I’ve been in a situation similar to Zoey!!
As a white woman i have always experienced a lot of white shame/guilt and I’ve never understood if it’s normal or not. Years ago i was dating a black guy and we were at a club together, i was dancing with/on him having a good time. Later that night when we got back to where we were staying the guy i was seeing and our friend (another black guy) told me that every black girl in the club were staring me down like they hated me. I never noticed because i was just having a good time and vibing. I asked them “why were they looking at me like that” and they explained that the other women probably didn’t like that i was a white woman with a black guy! It really surprised me and ever since then i felt uncomfortable in public with the guy i was seeing because i felt like everyone was looking at me and judging me for… idk? “Stealing” a black guy from black girls??
The way Randall talks to Barry doesn't sound like how one partner talks to another about a difficult issue. It sounds like the way someone speaks from a soapbox.
If the writers had made them have a real conversation then it could have elevated the episode. It could have shown the nuance and different viewpoints around a complicated situation. (If someone did bad things like own slaves, but they also did good things how should we remember them? How does it impact us when our ancestors did things that affect us down the generations but which we have no control over? How can a family address topics that have different impacts on each of them?) I imagine that a better handling of the issue could also have been helpful for young viewers who live in mixed-race families and have encountered situations where their parents have very different perspectives from each other or from them.
But no. All we got was Randall spouting preachy slogans at his husband and Barry unwilling to discuss the issue at all.
I appreciate your sympathy for all sides. Never downplaying or comparing the struggles of one side to the other.
This
One side clearly experiences greater struggle than the other-the concept of “white gilt” is derived from that fact.
the was an episode with the Chang triples when they called Penny out on reverse racism and she was like "black ppl can't be racist". it really bothers me
Racism, not reverse Racism. There is nothing "reverse" about it.
I agree it is somewhat unsettling
After I learned European history, I've always felt that I have to apologize for what my ancestors MAY have done.
It's made it really difficult to make friends that aren't white because I feel so guilty for just existing near them.
@flickcentergaming680 That's a ridiculous stance. Aside from the fact that there is no shared "European history" but each country has their own history, you are not responsible for the actions of your parents, let alone your ancestors.
“Black people cant be racist,” is the most bullshit thing I’ve ever heard lmao 😭😭
These writers were probably bullies tbh 💀
Obviously, because it's Disney and that's what to expect.
I feel confused on how they were mad at her....like what???
Cause she wasn't pretty enough, and shes white
I think it all comes down to jealousy. They think they're the super attractive girls who deserve the attention of this handsome and famous celebrity and yet he ignores all of them and asks out the designated "ugly" one who initally didn't even really want to date him to begin with. She only decided to go on a date with him because he approached her and treated her like a person. She had the audacity to take something from them that they believed they were owed (which no they didn't) that she doesn't deserve (the "ugly nerd" doesn't deserve the "hot actor) and then not even want it in the first place.
Speaking as someone who hasn’t seen the episode; Is it even bad for her to date a boy who only really dates white girls but it’s never mentioned he’s actually prejudiced against other black people. I mean there’s definitely people like that but some people also just have weird dating preferences??? You can’t really control who you’re attracted to.
10:50 It’s horrible but I can’t stop picturing him be’n like “Oh shit my bad can you stop arresting them kids?”
Right? Like there’s so many people who will only date their own race, including black people, so why can’t he have a preference for a different race? Doesn’t mean he looks down on other races, especially with him being part of that race. And doesn’t mean he’ll never find a black girl attractive, just means he’s got a preference for different features.
I’m glad to see this is getting criticism
I acknowledge openly black people have it worse usually, slavery is still affecting us, etc. I have multiple black friends, got along fine with black coworkers that weren’t assholes, etc.
But none of that matters it seems like. I have dealt with more than a handful of blacks who treat me like garbage because I’m white, and then act like I have no right to defend myself. I have also dealt with more than a few who are privileged with rich non-toxic parents that make sure they are ok no matter what, and yet the race card comes out as if they still always had it worse than a poor white person who came from a shit situation.
This is what happens when you get hack writers. Even a middle schooler could've pointed out all the issues with the writing and storytelling. If it were just one episode, it'd be just a one-off, but it's a consistent issue. You have writers far too obsessed with the lens that the story doesn't make any sense or even seem real unless you're drowning in the same punch they are. The OG series had its issues, but it was far closer to the actual point and heart of the issues.
I prefer the original Proud Family cause it presents black people in a positive light and showed that there’s nothing wrong with being black
the Proud Family reboot I swear was written by people who watched the original version and threw all the positive themes into the garbage cause they're sad, bitter people who can't stand the world isn't 100% how they want it.
I'm white and I treat everyone else the same, aka I don't want to talk to people because I'm an introverted shut in who doesn't like people. Skin color is just that, skin color.
For this episode it just came off as a punishing Zoey for being white.
Frankly this episode had potential, it could have taught the girls for assuming he was dating her because she was white and the rumor when he was actually interested in her because she was a nerd, or a little sloppy or he tried dating more attractive women and found them all to be superficial so he decided to try something different this time. They could have been put in their place for assuming things and giving her shit because she's white and they could have realized their own prejudice and apologized.
They had a chance and they shat all over it because white person is always bad.
My God this man needs to host highschool/college race discussions. Casual atmosphere, every race present and just talking about experiences and media. It would break down so many barriers or misunderstandings. So many people raised in racist households, once they go out into the real world and interact with others realize how backwards their upbringing were.
I'm glad I found your channel man, this is amazing content
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Sometimes I feel like this show is made by the type of people who imagine a person, get angry at this imaginary person in an argument they had with them in their head and then make a satirical interpretation of this imaginary person from an argument they had in their head.
Not gonna lie…I’d love a video on how you’d rewrite these episodes…especially Zoey’s.
Coming from a Black Guy…Zoey is probably one of my favorite characters in the show….possibly due to the fact that I’m an introvert.
The fact that they undid everything in the original series…just to have her involvement in how she is in Loud and Prouder is so nuts…you’d think this was written by Vince McMahon…Carrying over concept, but doing away with them the next.
You can do the Myron stuff, Noah’s involvement in the story, the in-fighting, and the “White Privilege”…but like you said…the only way this episode works as well…is if it was about what it really is…Colorism & Pretty Privilege.
But yeah…Zoey deserves a run back in Season 3 this year.