Proud Family Industry Grooming Episode 🦋🦋🦋
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- My reaction to The Proud Family episode where Penny and her friends wanna grow up too fast and become groomed by Dijonay's cousin. Let me know what yall think about this. Please don't forget to comment, like and subscribe. Thank You!!!
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The most alarming part of this episode was how Dijonay's own cousin was basically grooming and exploiting them. I think that deserves its own video 🤔
Make that vid pls I’d love to see your thoughts
Agreed. It's not commonly talked about but sometimes abuse victims become abusers themselves. Pretty sure that's what happened with Bethany.
FRRR!!! It was weird asl, glad we don’t see her anymore
It's how it is in the industry, too.
She literally told the girls “tell them you’re 17.” Like 17 is still a minor. Not a young adult. And that meme you’ve used “y’all are going to jail. PERIOD!” 😂😂😂
One of the few times Oscar was right to tell Penny “NO” about being grown… and he didn’t get punished for it.
And all satans demons wonder what this cold white stuff is…
More like one of the few times Oscar was right in general.
@@shelbymckinney8888 nah, Oscar is shown to be right in retrospect in a few situations.
Still gets played as him not being right.
Agreed. Oscar may be an unfair and overprotective dad most of the time, but this is one of those episodes where I agree with him. To penny and her friends they saw their outfits as just clothes, but they had to see that creeps will go after young girls who wear clothes like those. And like her mom said, she can wear those clothes once she is a young adult, for now penny had to enjoy being a kid while it lasts.
Trudy agreed that the outfits were too skimpy
This is the one time where you see Oscar was right and everyone just ignored him keep in mind he rightfully chased a older teenager for leering at his daughters openly stating she's a hottie
Once again making me wonder WHY Oscar was treated horrible every damn time.
@@battybuddyidk sometimes it’s funny other times is underserved
@@Abner-gu3ve yeah, I know sometimes it’s supposedly funny.
But it just seems like everyone shits on him all day every day.
@@battybuddy I guess it’s because the show was aimed at younger kids who think its “uncool” to listen to a parent
@@-Some_Random_Chicken-. If THAT was true, then Trudy would have been seen as just as uncool.
I love how back then a crop top was considered "skimpy" for a teenager... Now we're seeing 8 year olds wearing worse outfits than that 😭😭
Right ‼
Crop tops are for women who got it. If you got booty do at least wear high waisted pants 👖 with it.
@@angelacooper8973 for women not children
@@pumpkinpai1725 I said what said move around
@@angelacooper8973 what you said was weird and not really driving the convo forward lol
Watching this as a kid and getting mad at Trudy and Oscar for "not understanding"
Watching as a full adult and realizing they WERE RIGHT 😨
I had the same revelation watching it back‼It seemed like another time her parents were over reacting when looking at it now, they had every reason to
👏 @@TonyTurner
I can see that perspective but I also think and experienced some myself at a young age but we need to remember not to shame young girls for wearing sexy clothes that appeal to them. It is a fine between allowing girls to wear what they want but also making sure predator don't use their style of dress as an excuse for preying on them. Blaming women for their style and their own SA experiences really start early in life.
@@PrincessKLSDitto, there needs to be a balance because majority of the time, clothes do not better. Femininity is sexualized ruthlessly even in its innocence. We just need to teach girls how to protect themselves and no sell themselves off to people who want to take advantage of them. Young and old.
Same here. The whole time I was first watching this episode as a kid I just could not understand what the problem was since the outfits didn't even look that bad to me. Mind you I grew up during the early 2000s where those styles were everywhere. Early 2000s pop princesses like Britney Spears, girl groups like Destiny's child and TLC, Bratz dolls and MyScene dolls. The girls on Dan Schneider sitcoms etc. Everyone was wearing stuff like that back then with seemingly nobody batting an eye. Even the 2003 version of Starfire from Teen Titans was rocking her futuristic crop top and mini skirt look.
Needless to say, I had become very desensitized to it, and thought it was normal, so when I finally saw this show calling it out I was so confused. My mother happened to be with me in the living room watching this at the time of it airing and told me to remember everything Trudy explained to Penny because this is sadly what people think of young girls. I had to have been no more than 9 or 10 at the time of this airing. And the sad thing is people will STILL sexualize young girls even if they're dressing like a hobo or a farmer. These girls are damned if they do and damned if they don't😢. Disney had balls for calling this out.
On the subject of Dijonay's cousin, it's very common to have women sell out other women to abusers. Think human trafficking cases, like Ghislaine Maxwell.
Yup some will do anything for notoriety or a quick buck
So what you’re SAYING is, Dijonays cousin is as horrible as SHE is. XD
Allison Mack as well.
It happens to other abuse victims to, like if you don’t bring in your friends [insert threat here]
Also her name is suspicious?
I'm sorry, I still can't get over that dude that said they looked hott at the bowling alley. It's only their first dance and they already got preds on them. I mean, those are obviously kids, Sir. Get locked up 🤢🤮
It's actually disturbingly common for young girls, not even teenagers, to be perved on by older men. If you've ever seen a young girl told to put on different clothes because a specific male friend/relative comes over, you've seen how early we get sexualized...
I’m 14 and some random old man catcalled me, I wasn’t even wearing revealing clothes 💀
I like to think that guy was a teenager himself, older but not an adult yet. Some teens can look older, and his voice sounded more like a teenager's then an adult's.
@@StonedHunterIt happens when they're not even wearing anything revealing too- like. I'm a trans man now but when I was 14 and still considered myself a girl, I had creeps learing on me at 14...I wore polo shirts and knee length shorts back then...like jfc it's gross.
@@StonedHunterwomen rarely catcall
Notice how Trudy said 'any child of mine' instead of just stopping at 'any child'. Also, why in the ever loving f*ck do they trust someone related to Dionjay? I would've been highly skeptical at best.
I wouldn’t have given Dijonay THIS many chances. I wouldn’t want my daughter hanging with her anymore… period.
She was letting it be known that no child of hers will ever wear that outfit Zoey’s aunt made so maybe her family approved Trudy can’t speak for all the parents of those girls
Literally so ghetto. I’m black and my parents monitor who I hang out with like, just no. Her parents should’ve done better to protect her fr
Her name is also an item of what is passed off as "food", or associated with ingesting and like her bleached hair and is also adultified?
I think Trudy said that because end of the day she cant control what other parents allow their child to wear.
Not to be a conspiracy theory person but I feel like the writers of this episode KNEW. Like they KNEW WHAT HAPPENED
Looks like a sneak diss at the industry and a warning for the younger audience.
its not conspiracy if its true.
This was never a well kept secret about how kids were treated. Everyone kind of knew and it was easier to brush things under the rug before everyone had the internet.
Nah, it's not conspiracy theory if it's real
All that bad stuff are real. Nothing to sugar coat it.
I wonder if Bethany was groomed herself. I honestly can't see her being more then 18-19 . Which , even if thats better then 14 like Penny and friends , it's still really dangerous and youre still young, even as an adult. She gives off a vibe that shes very use to this behavior from people that what to exploit and take advantage. So, I'm wondering if she went through it and didn't see it as a big deal.
Very possible
True ‼ She told them to get with the program meaning at one point she was possibly programmed herself
At best Bethany is 18, because she was way too comfortable going to a high school party.
Bethany and Dejanay were related! That says A LOT🙄🤷🏽♀️
@@TonyTurnertrue but I kinda wish we could have a cartoon where a woman can just be an evil pr3d@t0r with no trauma if male characters are allowed to be that. I feel bad if she was gr00med but shouldn't be allowed to be near children until she got help.
I would have liked to see Dijonay's mom go off on Bethany for what she put her daughter and her friends through. I really wished we got to see Bethany get busted, especially since she's the one that made them lie about their ages.
Can we also talk about how Zoey's aunt made those revealing outfits for the girls? What was she thinking?
Lacigenia’s dress wasn’t that bad imo
I think it was meant to show how overly permissive white parents can be. Even at the end of the episode the other parents made sure the outfits were gone and Zoey was wearing it under her clothes. It’s a stereotype about discipline.
Penny did say "you've seen the dancers. They are my age and dress like this" to her mother.
It's not a excuse but Zoey's aunt might be on the other side of the spectrum of thinking it is okay since that is how girls are dressing . She's also not Zoey's mom so she may just not have the mother protection of "not okay for you!"
Even Penny's mom had to state how the outfit wasn't okay for a child of HERS. That even she knows girls do dress like that and isn't speaking up till it's her kid.
@@hydrokineticpowerhouse((looks extremely confused in white conservative Christian))
Seriously, I've never heard that stereotype and that was NOT my experience growing up.
@@JP2GiannaT Yeah it’s a common stereotype in black skit comedy. If you look up any videos along the lines of black parenting vs white parenting you’ll hear the white kids swearing at the parents and either being told no or laughing it off while the black parent’s response is almost always get the belt. Not saying it’s true but it is a stereotype that white secular parents are overly permissive with their children.
I’m saying this as someone who’s not into revealing clothing, and believe that kids should wear age-appropriate clothes, but there is something upsetting about Penny and her friends being sexualized based on the outfit they wore. They’re very obviously children, and outfits aren’t going to change that fact. Yet it felt like part of the message is that the unwanted sexual interactions is warranted because of the outfits they wore, not because people were choosing to sexualize them. They wanted popularity, sure, a lot of kids their age do, but they never asked to be sexualized. Penny has worn a variety of outfits on the show, some including short skirt and midriffs exposed, and she wasn’t harassed/criticized then. But just because she and her friends wear those kinds of clothes, doesn’t mean they should be given a hard time for the actions of others.
I'm confused, how is showing your shoulders or belly bottom revealing? They're not showing any primarily or secondary sexual organs. Is a woman's entire skin considered sexual?
I think it's less it's on them as much as showing they were too young to understand sexualization of clothes. They thought the clothes were normal but obviously they were very mature for a child. When you're a kid you see other kids where these clothes, get desensitized and start wearing em too. But because you don't realize the sexual nature of the clothes, you don't expect/understand the following amount sexual tension you'll get. An adult will wear revealing clothes knowing people will check em out but are an old enough to make that level of consent since they know what they're getting into (unlike a child) And no I am not saying this to say girls getting SA'd is because their clothes. SA happens to anyone no matter how they're dressed. With that said one is always aware of how much skin they show and why it's important for it to not be a child because they wouldn't be aware.
Quiet On Set is traumatizing. And that only covers what happened on Nickelodeon. We need a second season about Disney Channel.
There are long-standing rumours that Hilary Duff was discovered for Disney Channel poolside. Apparently poolside parties with minors without parents was a popular kids TV recruitment method at the various "boot camps" they'd run.
Definitely ‼ I just know Raven and Miley have some stories to name a few
And Orlando Brown as well. All those times he was talking "nonsense" about what happens behind the scenes on production, was actually true. We owe him (and others speaking out against Hollywood) a BIG apology.@TonyTurner
Disney did hire a few bad apples, however, they did protect their actors and actresses more than Nickelodeon did. They even tried to make their actors and actresses dress more kidlike and less revealing. Also, Dan Schneider's shows should be banned while Disney channel shows actually had good messages. I'd rather see Disney address the thing about the vintage movies when the princesses would get married when half of them were teens (Anna and Elsa were the first Disney princesses who were over 18). I think they should also speak out about body issues in the early princess movies too, because a lot of the vintage princesses were drawn with overly sexualized bodytypes. Trust me, the Disney Channel was the least of the problematic things from Disney.
@@jocelynecupcake
Genuinely wondering what you mean by "overly sexualized bodytypes", I do agree with addressing the getting married in their teens part though
I think it sad that it just doesn’t take a stranger to Groom you that it could be your own blood is frightening and sick.
This kinda makes me rethink Dijonay's statement about her cousin Bethany being from the side of the family with money.
there is a chance she learned this stuff from her folks and just see's it as a means to an end. doesn't excuse it but it is food for thought
To be honest Beauty contests for people under 18 need to be illegal because it some type of edp445 stuff and that is not good
This and the valentine episode are my favorite. I experience this feeling in college. I dressed up showing a lot of skin thinking it would get me popular but I felt uncomfortable. I thought to myself do I really want THIS kind of attention. I can only imagine a teenager feeling like that. Also the fact that Dijonay had no idea what the boys were trying to do proves how they were too young.
Right. Luckily they saw the red flags but it just proved how young and naive they were
@@TonyTurnerthe only time I will ever feel bad for Lacienga and Dijonay.
Man, that episode literally predicted parental audiences when seeing Netflix's Cuties and being disgusted.
the director seems suspicious people just ignoring it because she’s a woman
Yet they did a horrible job with the message they were trying to show they made it worse especially to the girls they weren’t even allowed to watch their own movie
That show was disgusting
@@T1000skynetforever it was a movie not a show but yes it was disgusting 🤢 🤮
@@T1000skynetforever I couldn’t finish it because it was so gross.
It's so sad that it feels like they completely ignore this lesson in Louder & Prouder especially when Wizard Kelly sent a bunch of questionable clothes for Penny to try on in one episode so she could promote products or something like that I don't remember the episode completely but I remember Oscar's reaction
The original show was so good bro. Idk why companies think they always gotta reboot shows when the original was perfectly fine yk
It's crazy to think that a 112 song was played on Disney channel, but the episode handles the topic of adultification well and I'm glad the girls left the party and dijnoay cousin was a red flag to begin with. It's one of my favorite episodes from the series. When I was younger, it taught me that it's all right to be a kid and that there's no need to rush to grow up. It's kind of alarming how kids and teenagers today are dressing and acting like adults due to social media... I'm glad you finally talked about this episode 🤍
It wasn't a D12 track, it was a 112 track which is one of my favorites.
To be fair the song is pretty vague in its lyrics.
I love how objective and facts based you are. It feels like your not leaning left, or to the right. It’s a nice breath of fresh air and I like how you want us to form our own opinions and thoughts on these topics
Right, he takes a moment to mention how people from both sides might feel about something, but doesn't discredit either side and just encourages us to form our own opinion. It's a breath of fresh air with today's video esssays
Thank You ‼ I just love having balanced discussions
I agree
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you talking about the political wings, specifically the one from the U.S. of A.?
@@yunidai16 yes, the USA political wings are at each others throats right now, it’s crazy
No, you're 100% right, what was happening was a form of grooming and could have led to human trafficking. (which is scarily common in Hollywood of young teenagers being groomed into that, Example: Epstein case) I would love to see a video more in-depth about that since I genuinely feel people aren't aware enough of what predatory behavior looks like. Grooming in itself doesn't need to be sexual, it can happen to adults, women can be groomers, etc, all that matters is there's a power imbalance and an intent to get something out of them. In this case, Dijonay's cousin was older than them, someone they thought they could trust and she used that against them.
Bethany seems like a middle-man, like she's doing it to stay out of trouble herself.
@@Nakia11798no she just seems like a pedo, pedos can be women as well
Wdym@@Nakia11798
Between this and hey Arnold they covered alot of adult situations and situations kids go through
This is sending a better message than that one Netflix "movie" that SHALL not be mentioned
I think one of the best parts, when showing things like this, is that this is a cartoon and not real children dressing and dancing like that to get the message across. Unlike the Netflix movie, "Cuties"
Still don’t use Netflix because of that
@@hydrokineticpowerhouse agreed
Watching this again what really stood out to me in that ep was Zoe. Penny and LaCienega came from families that propped them up and Dijonay has always been always a strong character, she was the first one to smell something off with the party. But Zoe, the bony tall nerd girl, getting positive male attention for the first time in her life? She was the perfect prey. Drunk on "the power" enough that the other girls had to drag her out of it kicking and screaming while they were getting solicited for sex. How many lovebombed little girls end up trapped? What if Dijonay's self-worth was any less robust, and she was in there alone? What if, being there alone, Bethany could have used the years she's known her to disarm her threat detector, and something awful would have happened to her? Penny was already going against her parents, who knows if she would have found that strength to leave without Dijonay and LaCienega echoing her misgivings? And LaCienega, a paegent queen, would she really have found it THAT out of the ordinary if girls who didn't grow in that world pointed out this is weird? These four were lucky Penny and Dijonay were there together. I really hope Zoe grows up to be thankful she had friends who stopped her from getting raped at a highschool party.
This is like if Cuties was actually good
13:27 The vaping thing is probably no different than how smoking was presented in the '50s and '60s. Heck, the Flintstones had smoking commercials.
Even in the early days of Hollywood, being a child actor wasn't healthy. I remember other TH-camrs talking about kids like Shirley Temple was forced to sit on a giant block of ice if she "misbehaved". There was also a five-year-old boy who ended up suing his parents when he grew up because they hoarded all of his money from him. The kid worked with Charlie Chaplin.
The good part about now is that this stuff gets harder to sweep under the rug once it's revealed. Perhaps it could lead to changes in the standards of child safety in acting/music.
Jackie Coogan was his name. There was a law passed in his name regarding the earnings of child actors, but that was just over theft of money. It had nothing to say about inappropriate behavior towards children by adults. There were already laws against that, they just weren't enforced because any attempt to blow the whistle on. It was quashed up until relatively recently.
@@Nakia11798 too little, too late.
Thank you for covering this topic /episode. The cousin needs her a$$ beat for trying to pimp out a bunch of little girls. Very happy that the writers called out the industry. They kept it very real in the original series. Still legit but these old episodes hit so hard especially as an adult.
Bobby Driscole and how fast Disney dropped him...because he got too "old" and was disfunctional thanks to them...
His story, like many others, leaves me brokenhearted.
@@sexymama1966 Yeah...so many lives...just left in pieces...
I remember the episode ending with the girls on a group call, sharing how their parents took their outfits. Except for Zoey, and she had them under her clothes cuz "she loves power" and all the girls laughing. It kinda implied that they didn't quite understand the danger they were in, which makes sense for young impressionable teens. "Nothing bad happened" kind of thing.
"she's a hottie😌" right away, hell naw
Tbh this is actually a great message, and also makes young girls aware. I never really seen other shows do this that much. It's also sad how the old show taught actual good messages while the new show just ruins everything.
Well Penny friends are in both shows awful
@@clamatitoconlimoncito383 true but the reboot is racist and has a foot joke
@@jocelynecupcake you think Dan Schneider had a part in putting a foot joke in the old show too? Because one time there was this episode where lacianega boulevardez showed her large feet. 👣
Oh man I remember working at a grocery store in the bottle return area and someone was Vaping a buttered popcorn vape. You could still smell it 3 days later in that room. It was disgusting.
WTF they coming out with all kinda flavors now 🥴
hearing about jeanette experience im not suprised at all about quiet on set as she bascially spilled otu how he mom sold her out, disgusting. .its a sad truth that the chances of kids being exploited by their parents is 99 perecent more likely than strangers.. now look at Mara wilson who had a loving dad and great relatinship with danny divito ir mae whitman who talked about her parents keeping her safe in the industry. it makes it even sadder bec it doesnt have to be this ways kids can be treated well and come out ok if they have loving parents.. . its heartbreaking how evil wins out over decenty and not treating people like objects
The cousin was never arrested for grooming
no duh they don’t care because she’s a woman
It happens in real life too
This show cased the message way better than that terrible Cuties movie on Netflix.
I like this dude's videos he does a really good job explaining what he and most people assume the writers were trying to explain.
Thank You ‼
Tony out here teaching media literacy since we're all so bad at it
I always liked this episode. I thought it was a great showcase of the teens being in over their heads, and their parents were right about the situation. It was one of those episodes where the lesson was clear and well handled, the theme was good, the message wasn't mixed, and it was an overall fun episode.
Also, I always found it interesting that Lacienega has the least revealing dress/she's the most covered up. I always thought she would show more skin.
my rebellion phase was my primary/middle school era lmao
not the "im old enough" rebellion, just the "dont boss me around" phase but that got dealt with real quick
I did my rebellion mostly in my mind or by my looks. I rebelled against ideas, beliefs, and social norms. I was a sweats and sneakers girl, thought skimpy clothes and booze was lame.
I guess my rebellion was against my peers more than my elders.
@@Nakia11798 I'm pretty sure skimpy clothes and booze is the rebellion. You just sounded like a down to earth tomgirl.
It's so crazy how I see underage girls dress more "slutty" like, I could never wear what they wear. Even being 20, I still couldn't dress like that. No one should have to try to be an adult when they are still a kid. :(
which is why they were acting grown but whenever adults said this y’all got mad saying there’s no such thing as acting grown
Dijonay’s cousin reminded me of Ronnie from “Player’s Club” that got her cousin (Ebony) into strip club culture and….well….we all know what happened to her at that “party.” Very eerily similar. 😬 thankfully, it didn’t end up that way for Dijonay or her friends.
It also reminded me of the message in Destiny’s Child’s “Sweet Sixteen” song. “…slow down, you’re moving way too fast….do you know where you’re running to?”
Perfect examples ‼
Ebony just didn’t know how to handle them dudes. If you go into the lions den be ready to tame them.
@TosnyTurner someone here glorified r@pe
So Oscar was right in the beginning and Trudy was wrong, but they still make Trudy the reasonable parent?… yeah, why am I not surprised…
Shit on the SAME DAMN DAY, I get a comment on your other video about Oscar just RANDOMLY being homophobic that Trudy is justified in changing the frikkin locks on Penny, cause Trudy can’t be the homophobic one.
Trudy just HAS to be perfect, EVERY time, and Oscar just HAS TO BE SHIT ON with every facet of life.
Dammit, this show was horrible to black fathers, has the single worst friend in cartoons, WHY was this show so popular and yet Dave the barbarian doesn’t get more seasons?
I’m sorry, I’m mostly pissed off cause the good times reboot is on Netflix now and I’ve been pissed off at that all month.
@@battybuddyI get your anger. The show was and still is full of harmful stereotypes and occasionally harmful messages. They were trying to do good, but it really shows that the showwriters aren't as progressive as they thought.
@@Nakia11798 it’s not JUST the stereotypes, it’s the fact that they just shit on Oscar for everything, and yet Dijonay can be her little horrible self and still be “friends” with Penny.
I mean, stereotypes can exist and the show can still be great. It’s when the characters do stuff like unreasonably go out of their way to make some characters reasonable ALL THE TIME, shit on other characters all the time, and other people can get away with murder and still come out smelling like a rose that I have issues.
5:49 honestly this is how the girls in my school dress at 14
I don’t but I see this every day
That just makes me really sad. I’m 22 so high school wasn’t that long ago for me, but I had a similar experience. So many girls would be dressing up like they were 21+ at 14 with a full face of makeup (and I mean heavy overdone makeup). Meanwhile I hated revealing clothing (still do to an extent) and wasn’t a fan of makeup, so I felt like such an outcast. There’s such a huge pressure to dress and act grown up when we were still just kids :( and the age of doing this stuff is only going down (tik tok Sephora kids make me so sad and angry at where society is going)
Thankfully, they're not actually the majority. It is sad that they feel that's the only way to be worthy of attention.
When I was working retail, I saw it all the time ‼ And when they weren't with a group of friends, they would walking around the store with their parents dressed like that.
girls in my school dress like that too!! and they are like 12-
@@BonnisTrashCansame bro
Netflix did the exact same thing this episode portrayed but much worse, it’s called Cuties and I think after a couple months it was taken off due to the large amount of controversy.
Yeah there were people that REALLY loved that movie
How it flew over everyone who made that movie head that that was one of the worste thing they could make is still a mystery to me
@@juliaboskamp9666 There's absolutely nothing cute about that movie. Movie Bob needs to understand this especially.
Also like how they showed on Quite on the Set some of these "bad" people would try and isolate some of the kids from the parents and people who were there to protect them like telling them things like the parents were the ones manipulating that and keeping them back from doing things.
Quiet*
When this episode aired when I was a kid. I understood what the darker tones this episode was getting at. When I was little my parents told me about why adults can be dangerous and they told me in a PG way about how kids are treated in the entertainment industry.
man, if being lame means i dont look like a fool under the influence of anything, so be it.
im gonna stay lame. its better for my body anyway 🤷🏼♀️
Also an abelist term, especially to animals, in speciesism, when they disable animals and end them for it, especially the ones passed off as "domesticated", like in agriculture and in sports?
Go for it but I outgrew my lameness. It’s cute at 14 but 38 I’m moving fast
@@TheSapphireLeogo on somewhere with that they said what they said
@TheSapphireLeo that's a whole lotta yap
next your gonna tell me "walking" is a ableist term. because it's offensive to dogs with missing legs in a dog wheel chair or people in a wheel chair/ in crutches
make up your mind; is retarded ableist or lame ableist. it's a trick question, it's neither
both are just words, can be used in different contexts that make them offensive, but the words alone arent
@@angelacooper8973 that's nice
to each his own
I find it ironic considering Disney hired Brian peck
Honestly this was one of my favorite, classic Proud Family episodes. A very good example of how some kids and teens want to grow up too fast. It is unfortunate that this episode is relevant today
"sometimes"
Then you are living in a bubble because real life is MUCH WORSE
MOST of the families are NOT "good" families
Poor kids are getting exploited, abused left and right
Having an ACTUALLY normal family is the rarity nowdays(not just talking about purposely abusive families but simple lack of basic logic)
Unhealthy is what's normal. The problem is that it's SO normal that healthy parenting gets rejected.
My sister is attempting to be a somewhat gentle parent, but having been raised in the opposite environment, it's more like she tries and then gives up. It's disheartening.
9:59 Kids also have different ways of rebelling against their parents.
Very true. My older brother would skip school, or get into trouble with his friends. My younger sister drank and smoked. I would refuse to talk to a social worker, or therapist just because my mom told me to. I also argued with her.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 Mine was pretty much evangelical Southern Baptist Christianity.
This episode has lived rent free in my head for years. Im so happy to find it again.
I just want to say I always love these videos. I’m the exact opposite of what the proud family is made for, suburban white male teen. But when it came out on Disney plus I watched it and it became a comfort show for me. None of my friends or family knew about it so it’s great to see a TH-camr who 1. Loves the show but also 2. Can analyze and discuss it. I love seeing someone talk about the show and discuss things I never knew. And I also love when you reference stuff that’s part of black culture. That’s one I’ve never known anything about and I love to learn about it. So thank you for the work, effort, and passion you put in your videos they’re appreciated
Thank You ‼👌🏾
I'm white female, watched this on ABC Saturday mornings as a kid. I loved this show.
You DEFINITELY need to do an episode about how Bethany was grooming Penny and friends.
So i remember when this episode was airing that year I went to Lithuanian camp in which were encouraged to come up with little skit/cheers 2 a day. The age ranges of the kids being 6 to 16 years old the youngest group of little girls did a dance where they did something like that i was around 11 at the time of the incident but there was not a dress code but the following year their was. The kids legit said they got the idea from the proud family for the drastic outfit change from normal summer clothes to skimpy swim suits.
Yes do a video on Bethany and highlight some of the manipulative things people like her do
And the cycle of abuse. Bethany seems way too young to be doing this without having someone guiding her, or having experience with it.
Dude, this awoke old memories of a family we knew when I was little. Our parents were friends, me and my siblings were friends with their kids
But their mum was constantly putting her kids in any and all media she could. They had some small roles in kids shows, the son was a regular cast member of a certain serial commercial for 10 years, they were in some music videos, and probably more that I have forgotten
We are no longer in contact with them. There was a divorce, the mum ended up in a psych ward, the kids (especially the son) ended up in a bad place
It turns out that when you're like 13 and rather rich from all the gigs all the older kids will seek you out and befriend you. After all, hanging out with the older kids is cool. You'll be the coolest kids in class. But they sorta exploited him and his money - drugs, alcohol, and so he ended up doing bad stuff at a young age. I don't know how aware his parents were with his social circle, but it spiraled. I always got a weird vibe from their mum. Chasing fame chases away what really matters, I guess
The siblings are doing OK now, I think. I am just facebook friends with them but they have moved away from the media
In hindsight it's a little disturbing. They grew up way to fast, their mum enabled and encouraged it. There's a lot of things to point out in hindsight, but I was a kid then and didn't question much
Good and insightful video, dude! It just made me reminisce about these siblings I haven't seen in 15 years or so
Yep everybody talking about Dan . Look what he did to Amanda Bynes and the cast of victorious and how they haven’t came out and said anything
Amanda tried to speak out about it for over 10 years and people all thought she was crazy. People listened to Jeanette because more people were familiar with iCarly, and also Jeanette was more grounded and didn't get into drugs like Amanda did. Also, Jeanette actually wrote a book about it too
It's so crazy, I remember watching this episode as a kid and was very confused by why the parents said no but also why Penny would want to wear those clothes... And now as an adult, I couldn't agree more with Oscar on this matter and I'm also a bit creeped out by just how many people liked Penny and her "friends" despite their age 😬
This is so messed up, the fact that the audience was so bored and tired from looking at the girls with oversized shirts on and got excited when they ripped those shirts to reveal their more showy outfits.. ick!!
I can honestly appreciate this episode because what Penny went through with her mom is exactly what I went through with my mom. From my perspective, definitely teaches you there’s no need to grow up so quickly and not everyone close to you has your back when game and money is involved
Absolutely wild title and holy shit has this episode only become more prevalent for the 2020's
It reminds me of when I was growing up and Bratz first came out and a few other incidents growing up where my grandparents thought something was inappropriate. Sorry for the essay lmao
The first is when the Bratz doll line came out. My folks thought it was "too grown" for a kid like me to play with due to the fact that the dolls dressed in a way that was trendy for teens (or rather, teens saw adults/celebs wearing and it was trendy). While they weren't forbidden in the house (I had a few dolls and played the Rock Angelz game on PC), I wasn't allowed to have them *a lot* and there were a lot of conversations about the way they dressed. In a way, given that the Bratz are now aged ~20 from being 16 and being an adult now - I kinda get what they were worried about. The dolls were dressed in a way that was fine for adults, and *debatably* for teens but absolutely not for a kid. Ofc growing up - I tried to dress like that to a degree by my folks said *nah*
And then another when I was like probably 10? Halloween and I wanted to be a fairy/Tinkerbell. Went to the store blah blah and the costumes they had for kids that was a fairy barely covered my butt lmao. And it wasn't too small or anything in terms of sizing - its how it fit on the image/model they have on the package. They explain to me (even in the store) its not appropriate, too short, etc. for me to be going out in even though they're pretty much chaparoning me. They stood firm in that it wasn't appropriate and let me pick something else - even though I was sulking a bit about it I even heard one of the other parents in check out agreeing with my grandparents (I think they saw and we were in check out right behind them) that it was in fact inappropriate for a kid my age.
It kinda goes to show how kids - esp young girls are encouraged to "grow up" pretty fast at least in terms of clothes. Not to say that Bratz or the maker of the costume had some nefarious intention to set out to do this or to say that they're the problem or something but rather to show how its important for parents to have these conversations and stand firm on what their kids are allowed to wear. Trudy does what a lot of parents should do - she doesn't shame Penny for wearing it or even wanting to wear it and being a woman - even knows herself how it is for teenage girls to want to be popular and appeal to their peers and gain their approval - but being older and not naieve she knows how dressing like that can bring certain kinds of attention. And that "certain kind of attention" is what the boys at the party wanted out of Penny and her friends - even though Dijonay didn't know *what* they wanted specifically - just that she didn't want to do it and it made them uncomfortable. Trudy just tells Penny to put it away for a couple of years and dress more appropriate for the age she is now. She even does a good job of explaining that the celebrities who wear those kinds of clothes is not appropriate on a child.
Is it fair that clothes can be sexualized? No but humans have sexuality. People experience sexual attraction. There is a reason why celebs may choose to wear sexy and revealing outfits. There is a reason why certain clothes and styles of dress are appropriate on adults but not on kids who are still learning how to navigate their own boundaries. It also shows the distinction between how kids/teens and adults think. Penny wants to wear the outfit because its what all the hottest singers and dancers are wearing but those singers and dancers are wearing that because they're grown and know its going to garner a sense of sexual attention or appeal. They're showing off their forms and figures.
I mean, even compared to someone like La'cienega the outfits are pretty revealing. It's not about "you can't show stomach", it's that the top is cropped pretty much to her chest and the skirt comes to just above her knee and she's on TV dancing in a way that probably isn't appropriate for someone her age
I'm 17 and i still play with toys
I am 40 in i still go to Disneyland lol..
That's chill. My cousin and I still played with dolls sometimes at that age too. Fun is fun, no matter the age.
I’m in my 20’s & I collect Squishmallows. There’s no harm into that
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honestly i feel like the age crops should be worn should atleast be 16-17, when teens are about to go into adulthood, already have their license, and are heading into college
The part where you talked about the creams and the makeup just reminded me of the one line from the one episode of Hey Arnold where Helga goes, "we don't have wrinkles, we don't have signs of aging, we're nine years old!" And then I think, different ages have vastly different skincare needs, and what was a good idea when you're a kid isn't what's best as an adult, and vice versa. So I have to wonder, are these girls actually doing something to their skin that wasn't meant for their needs? And how will that affect them when their skin adapts? And again when they get older and their needs change?
I saw a video similar to this and yeah, this is pretty much the writers telling older audiences about how black girls tend to be sexualized and adultified at such a young age. This is one of the few episodes where Oscar was right to say NO because Penny and her friends were objectified while they were MINORS. And while I am a white woman, I've read enough articles and heard enough experiences to know that socially, black girls and other BIPOCS are often more sexualized and adultified than white women. It makes sense in that regard when you mix it into this episode because if anybody here remembers surviving R Kelly, R Kelly got away with trafficking and grooming and sexually abusing girls for decades because they were all black girls.
If one of his first victims, Allyiha was white he would've been in jail decades ago. While the girls did get justice now IMHO true justice would've been if the first victim was believed.
Think about it (this is for the white readers) when was the last time a black girl was portrayed as innocent on the news when they get kidnapped or murdered? In fact, when was the last time the news talked about missing and murdered Indigenous women or missing black girls the same way they talk about white girls?
More over, when you talk about things like tiktok treands, as a cosplayer I'm also in a similar boat when it comes to the popularity of Hazbin Hotel. Many of us in the fandom are trying to push minors away from this show because it contains themes that are way too mature for them including one of the main characters being a porn star (angel dust). In addition, since a majority of the fanbase is made of adults many of us don't want to see these kids getting groomed by adults. In the days of the internet, you're more likely to find a pedo on the internet.
So yeah, you get the idea.
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Social media and society itself has made kids feel as if they have to grow up because any child that actually acts their age is shamed for it. I literally saw a reel on IG of a boy who looked no older than 11-12 years old being hated on thousands of mainly adults for acting his age. Parents are also to blame as well because many don't care to raise their child and would rather let phones raise their child instead. There's also the people who enable and are complicit with the overs3xualization of minors and if sane people call out said overs3xualization, they're the ones who are getting criticized and accused of being a pervert. It's really sad.
11:17 Lol reminds me when a teenager on MTV’s ‘Sweet Sixteen’ threw a fit cos her mum revealed her new car before the party & not during like she wanted her car to be revealed, in front of all her guests 🤦♀️ I laughed SO HARD! 🤣
This episode of the proud family did a way better job about discussing the topic of child grooming than what Netflix’s disgusting cuties movie did.
Speaking of child actors and how they used to be treated, when Shirley Temple was 3 years old she played a child sex worker in a movie called War Babies. They would put her inside of a cardboard box as punishment whenever she would start acting like a child.
Yikes, poor Shirley
The original proud family had so many amazing lessons. Love your analyses on this.
Parents have to be strong and firm. You have more parents going with the flow than kids these days. If as a parent you don't think your ten-year-old needs a cell phone then don't buy one. If they get mad and tantrum, "HANDLE THAT!!!" You are the parent. Parents know best.
I still think they should put age restrictions on vaping that shit is awful for you
My parents continued to keep me on a 10pm cerfuw until I graduated.
I mean it's good for the schooling, but like my mom (Mostly she did) didn't do it for that. She just wanted to keep all of us on the same stuff and schedule despite my siblings being two years younger then me.
Not much of a different, but through enough of an age difference it can be.
My mother never taught me responsibilities until my last year of highschool. My grandparents were the only ones who taught me anything in life. I didn't even learn the darker things from them or the normal ones. I berely even knew what a per- was until a few days after my first time having it. I thought I was dying but still chose to hide it as I was more scared about my dad beating me for staining my clothes rather then my own (I didn't know anything about this and thought I'd die from it during the time) life.
Some parent are crazy. Always doing bere minimum or doing things to be 'fair' when it really isn't on anything.
Especially when she let my younger sister get away with everything. Even dru- as well as getting pre- yet damn well I know if I ever did that I'd be on the streets or six feet under with how my parents are. 😂
Point is, I know dam well that how patents are very different in parenting on everything.
My mother was manipulative, and emotionally abusive. Trying to lie to us and make us even forget the abuse my did did to us. So much so it branched out to the rest of our outside family. (Besides my grandpa and my aunt. They said that in public, but when with us they knew and just always wished they could've actually done more but know they couldn't with cps issues and not wanting to lose us as well as not knowing how else to help us.)
My dad was physically and tormentingly. He gave me lots of trauma to the point I cry and freeze up to have massive panic attacks to slight angered or aggressive movements, or yelling in the slightest. Any types of yelling Triggers me.
I do know a few good parents though. My aunt is a pretty good parent. She's a single mom, so she's not perfect, but she's still trying, she has her moments like I don't like how she sometimes gets a little too aggressive with hitting or spanking my cousin, but that's probably because of my trauma. She still tries to be there for him despite not being there all the time. She's always trying to listen to him,trying to be paitent, and comforts him when he needs it. More then my parents were doing. :]
So yeah,love parents actually trying to be good ones.
The title alone has me convinced. WOW!
I literally don't understand why everyone gets mad at Oscar for saying "NO!" for something that sexual. Oscar is overhated and when he's actually right, everyone turns on him. These young girls could've gotten expoilted and assaulted. Gosh this is why Oscar is one of my fave characters
Great Video Analysis! I never thought about all of this when watching this episode. To this day this is one of my favorite episodes.
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My cousin wasn't allowed to hang out with my brother and I growing up because my aunt was weird about my brother being autistic but she was okay with him hanging out with the random neighborhood kids one of which was abusive to my cousin and got him into vaping and weed
I literally was watching this ep last night. Insane coincidence!
I'm actually impressed with how the episode handles the subject
I just discovered you yesterday and your videos are BANGERS . You speak so much truth in these !
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Unfortunately I seen it in my own family, too, and I had no power to change anything 😢 i understand it was just "underwear" but lady why would you buy your own 14 yo daughter a thong????
Yikes 😬
ngl kids my age dress like that all the time
Right it's so common now to see young teen girls walking around in crop tops and short bottoms. Back then I guess it was considered more provocative
Great commentary, Tony! I am looking forward for the next video about Bethany.
And uou are right...that episode had a important message behind it.
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Hip hop helicopter was just a Disney version of soul Train except Big boy was the host and not shemar Moore
This for sure highlights the dangers the industry has an effect on children, and it's one of those episodes you don't perceive the same as an adult… especially after all the allegations that have been exposed the last two decades. And the thing is, it shows both sides of the coin, the positive side through the girls point of view and the negative (and mostly realistic) side from the parents and Dijonay's cousin; when we were kids, we stand by the girls side by relativity (rebellious attitude aimed at a preteen audience) but now as adults we can fully comprehend what is happening, why Oscar and Trudy are upset at their daughter and why they are fortunate for the situation to not go WAY worse. Astonishing review, Tony!
I remember seeing this episode when I was young and not noticing it. But now that I saw this video I’m like, wow. I didn’t even know that. Thanks for the insight
She’s a hottie 😂 Oscar on sight😊
Wow, I have never saw it like this when I was younger. Great video Tony
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Man. This video sure came out at the right time considering the various vids on Dan Schneider and now P. Diddy.
It’s probably been about a decade since I’ve thought about this episode and it is so different viewing it as an adult vs a child. It’s actually really nice to see that the Proud Family was trying to educate young kids about the risks of peer pressure/the more terrifying danger of potential grooming even if the message went wayyyyy over my head as a kid! (ESPECIALLY the grooming part! They’re so real for using a female family member too because unfortunately the most common predators are the ones closest to you 😢)
Found your channel about two weeks ago, and honestly your videos deserve more attention. The length of the videos is perfect, and straigh to the point, it's like I'm having a conversation! Keep up the good work man.
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This used to be one of my fav shows ever
Back in my day we danced nice wholesome dances.
The freak the grind, bump, pump, shake that rump
I vaguely remember this episode but watching this vid has reminded me of a few things. I've never cared for celebrities of any kind because I never saw the point in practically worshipping someone you don't know all because they're pretty, can sing/dance/act, whatever. They're still people. But people like Dijonay's cousin hone in on people's infatuation and the would be star's naivety. These kids aren't people, they're just a thing to be used and tossed aside when they no longer serve a purpose. What makes it more tragic is that more often than not the ones that exploit you are the one's closest to you, the ones you rely on most. I also have a feeling that if this was more 'real' than cartoon, those girls wouldn't have been able to leave that party especially if she took them to a more isolated place. That's terrifying to think about. These girls got a good ending and a reality check, they were able to walk away. Most don't have that luxury.
When my daughter was in pre school we took her to a Halloween event at her school. The event was being hosted by a high school cheerleading squad. The cheerleaders were wearing their uniforms and I swear those skirts were practically up the cracks of their butts. I was like how are the schools and the parents okay with these underage girls wearing something like this. Its like they dont care if these girls could possibly be sexualized.
Because they don't actually care
I am glad that my school had cheerleaders wear leggings and matching tees and bows. That is much safer than skirts or shorts (they didn't do many big stunts).
I get that skirts make it easier to grip when they are jumping and throwing each other up and around since skin has more friction than leggings but they could atleast make the skirts longer and make them skorts.
This is CHILD TRAFFICKING. Point blank.