Dispensationalism is so ingrained into the background of modern Christianity teachings that I grew up being told all of this and didn't even know what the term "dispensationalism" meant. I finally sat down to watch this video to see what its definition is and Bruce does a phenomenal job laying it all out. Thanks!
@@thv6880you mean this guy is not a dispensationalist? I don’t see anything controversial or anti-dispensational about what he said. What further is there to make up my mind about? Are you messing with me?
same .. it was to hide the identity of the true 2 Thessalonians 2:3 man of sin/ son of perdition who is the Vicar of Christ=666 .. to hide the identity of the beast of Revelation 17 ie the Roman Catholic Church its literally sickening
A comprehensive study of the Word of God and understanding how God is working through His People Israel leads will bring one to an understanding of God's working in the world through His covenant promise to Abraham and completed in Jesus Christ, the Son of David.....and see, I didn't eve need the word "dispensationalism" to explain the concept and the truth of God's Word.
@@davidcooper1201 you do believe in God's plans and timetables right? God has HIS chosen remnant of Israel THAT HE WILL keep HIS promises and everlasting covenant with. Do you agree?
I just learned the truth after October 7 and we all know what happened then. I kept saying something wasn’t right about this then a mortification popped up on X and I didn’t have notifications on X and it all of a sudden pops up?!?! It was Chuck Baldwin from Liberty Fellowship in Montana on scoffield - like this video is. SO to unlearn what I have been taught for 50 yrs was scary with a ton of anxiety but now so thankful and grateful ! I truly believe God had s hand with that video popping up. At that time I hardly ever looked on X and certainly wouldn’t have watched a video but something made me and what a blessing!!!
Once you see it, you can’t unsee it, hey? I have people telling me I’m wrong and I’m a heretic etc etc. but they will never convince me that the prophesies of Jesus and the Revelation of Christ are already fulfilled and we are now caught up with him in the clouds and that the new Kingdom, the Jerusalem is here now. It is us.❤
Such a blessing! I am a newly saved Christian and very bothered by the doctrine of dispensationalism and the pre-trib rapture. No one simply reading the Bible would come to these conclusions and just like you've said, it has become a distraction.
mleeb16 I agree with you. I take it further and say that biblical prophecy has been fulfilled already. Mr. Gore has done a video, or two, on how I believe it worked out. I enjoy his video lessons.
That's because Daniel's 70th week requires some study and meditation. The Revelation is actually describing the coming of Daniel's 70th week. This makes so much sense. Do yourself a favor and read some of Dr. John Walvoord's books.
Bluesman, Dispensationalism is a pack of lies based in large part on a diabolical interpretation of Daniel ch. 9:24-27. I believed these doctrines for 40 years.
It’s not merely a distraction but extremely damaging to the truth of the bible and shapes how you live. People are more interested in the daily life news and try to fit current events to twist what the bible actually teaches. We condemn Mormons, Seventh Day Adventist’s for their dangerous false teachings and this lie is no different.
I grew up Pentecostal and Dispensationalist. Thankfully though, my parents, God bless them, also gave me a solid grounding in basic orthodoxy and taught me to think for myself. Several years ago, I began listening to a pastor by the name of Chuck Baldwin. He's the one who really pulled me out of Dispensationalism. Then it was guys like Doug Wilson, Jeff Durbin, and Bruce Gore who pulled me into Postmillennialism. I thank God for all of them!!! FREE PALESTINE!🇵🇸🇵🇸✝️✝️
My brother you have been lead astray. Now accept my challenge and take a major prophet say Isaiah read through it slowly and carefully noting every time that Israel is mentioned. Now ask yourself if it is logical to spiritualize the blessing and give them to the church while interpreting the curses as literal and give them to the Jews.
The part about the conferences the dispensationalists held where they went through the newspapers to find evidence that they were living in the last days and Christ’s return was just around the corner…dispensationalists STILL do this today!
I am not a “dispensationalist” but believe we are not Israel, are saved via a program of grace and that Paul is our apostle. I also believe the Lord when he says no man knows the hour or the day so I don’t engage in that but listen for “the Trump” as Paul speaking for the Lord instructs. and the best thing is by doing it that way EVERYTHING falls into place. so I don’t have to take anyone’s word for it except the Word itself.
I grew up dispensationalist, although I had never heard the term. I never knew of Darby, either, and I believe this is common among most evangelicals out there. They accept the pre-trib rapture because that is all they know, including the pastors. Most couldn't tell you why they believe it other than "Well that is what my pastor told me," and I wonder what Bible schools are telling their students, and how much history is conveniently left out. Or worse--are they being told that this teaching originated with the Apostles. I abandoned Dispensationalism several years ago when the Lord lead me to study eschatology on my own. I love (and minored) in history and art history and had a great interest in Church history already. I started with the Scripture and reading all verses in context, I couldn't justify a belief in Dispensationalism. Then, of course, I had to find out where in the world Dispensationalism came from and discovered it was more "Darbism" than Christian doctrine passed down from the Apostles. So yeah, we Protestants are also guilty of adding to Church teaching which is not good. I believe the Lord purposely left much of the future as a mystery with many clues, to be unveiled in due season. We are called to watch, to stay alert, and to follow and trust Him, not decipher prophecies. Read and study them, yes. Learn them well, but allow God room to reveal in His good time. Blessings to all...
Genesis of Dispensational Theology th-cam.com/video/Ee4RS5pDntQ/w-d-xo.html PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement. F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26 brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418 Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine Pastor Tim Warner www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_23.pdf Pretribulationist Revisionism (Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints) Pastor Tim Warner www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_22.pdf
I appreciate your testimony. I had a pastor say one time that nobody would come to these conclusions of theology on their own if they just read the bible. It takes men teaching men to keep Dispensation lies going. Many are coming out these days though as faithful people like Bruce restore the understanding of the Gospel once delivered to the Church.
I have a question that in all my searching i just can't seem to understand : Dispensation is the idea that God deals with salvation differently in different times. We are in the time of grace where we are saved by faith. Why or how is Dispensation so interwoven with pretrib? Why can pre trib NOT exist without Dispensation? What does Dispensation bring to table that validates pretrib rapture? In such a case how to you tear down Dispensation so you can unravel pretrib in deceived Christian minds? Ty.
@@destinycoach5 It has always been by faith, Heb 12 Before Jesus they looked forward by faith, Joh_8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Bruce thank you for these lessons. I have never heard of most of this history and these religious figures. But I live in a conservative Texas which Has been deeply influenced by these fundamentalist traditions. I am usually bewildered by these people. I have studied comparative religion and mysticism most of my life. I am glad to finally understand what is helpful in this conservative tradition and what throws many of these people away from the all embracing compassion which I see Jesus teaching in the Gospels. I hope I can learn to love those who disagree with me more even though many of them sometimes persecute those who are different from them.
@Vara Sue Tamminga , what is more compassionate what Jesus taught in the 4 Gospels or what Jesus teaches through Paul for the body of Christ! Lets take Forgiveness! Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. Both scripture passages teach the importance of forgiveness! In Matthew (Gospel) it is conditional based on your performance to forgive first, in Ephesians it is unconditional for the sake of Christ! The first one is under a covenant/law (Israel), the second one is for the body of Christ, under no covenant/law ! God bless You!
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) 10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
@@SpotterVideo God has joined all of His believers into one Body, Jew and Gentile. And "what God has joined together, let not man put asunder," not even John Nelson Darby.
@@kingfisher5200 Amen. Christ is the King of Israel in John 1:49. He is the Head, and we are His Body. The two cannot be separated. We are covered by the King of Israel's blood.
I came to faith in 1982 in a church that extensively (and nearly exclusively) used the Scofield Reference Bible in their teaching and preaching. It was a wonderful church and I am glad that God lovingly used it to help me grow in my young faith. But I can see in retrospect how flawed their teachings were and continue to be. Forty years ago I would have rejected out of hand your teaching using all of the arguments you just articulated. And today I am so thankful that you took the time to (in Christian love) present the truth. I thoroughly enjoy your teaching and recommend you to all of my fellow believers.
This is the best explanation of Dispensationalism that I have ever heard. John Nelson Darby was a young Irish-Anglo lawyer who fell off his horse. While he was recuperating he saw things in the Bible that Augustine of Hippo, Luther, Calvin, Edwards, Wesley and Spurgeon never saw. Darby was very creative.
I did think it very interesting how Darby divided biblical history into the 7 ages; age of innocence in the garden; then conscience; then civil government, then the patriarchs, then the law, then the gospel of grace and the church, then the return/millenium/final judgment; Darby's great error declaring that God had a different way of salvation with each age: he ignores the clear teaching of scripture that OT and NT saints are saved by grace through faith (and not of ourselves but is gift of God to His elect in all ages). For Darby to dare attribute OT and much of NT only to physiologic Jewish people, and not for the saints (church, elect) is such error and arrogance. End times theology has been a snare for many people, so Calvin would not even do commentary on Revelation.
@@peterdroubay2967 , You are right any age is saved by faith! The difference is how we show this faith! In James 2 as most know this passage very well! James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? Luther hated the book of James, because it opposed Romans, Luther didn't have dispensational understanding! Lets look at Romans 4 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. It is impossible to reconcile James 2 and Romans 4 without dispensational understanding, though 99% of Christianity is doing exactly that and butchering the word of God and exactly of this (butchering) are dispenationalists accused! Take the important issue of FORGIVENESS! Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. Both scripture passages teach the importance of forgiveness! In Matthew it is conditional based on your performance to forgive first, in Ephesians it is unconditional for the sake of Christ! The first one is under a covenant/law (Israel), the second one is for the body of Christ, under no covenant/law ! God bless You!
@@peterdroubay2967 I have many issues with Calvin and Calvinism, but one thing about him that I do respect is his restraint when it comes to Revelation, something most of his current proponents don't do themselves.
Keep up the awesome job you are doing!!! You are liberating and freeing Gods people from a doctrine of men! Keep your hand to the plow, don't quit, and I'll see you at the banqueting table with our King the Lord Jesus!
There is no end to the church age. There is glory to God to be given in the church for all ages, so the church never ends: "Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, unto him be glory IN THE CHURCH by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen" (Eph. 3:20-21).
Guess who penned this verse? Paul! Who was the dispensation of grace given to? Paul! The church age (Body of Christ) never ends, this is correct, but it ends on earth, that why we have a Pre-trib rapture! Body of Christ eternal destiny is heaven, Israel's eternal destiny is a Heavenly kingdom on earth! (The our father prayer) God bless You!
@@rlrett1 When Paul said those words in Ephesians 3:2-“If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:”, he wasn’t referring to a specific period of time at all; for this word, dispensation is a poor translation. Please look it up in any Strongs concordance. οἰκονομία- (G3622) administration (of a household or estate); specifically a (religious) “economy” Paul is saying that God gave him stewardship (another name for household administrator) of the message of grace. God bless you
Dr Gore, this is the only video of yours I have watched. Thank you for posting it. I have often thought that Mormons would not be Mormons if they really knew what Mormonism teaches. The same with JWs, Catholicism, and especially Scientism. However, I think that if most nominal dispensationalists understood the origins and doctrinal contradictions of dispensationslism, they would be appalled and separate themselves from it.
Yes, I agree. Dispensationalism has adjusted many of its more egregious ideas since the time of Scofield, but it still remains a sad distraction from the Bible's central message. Thanks for the feedback!
Amen. Let's never be distracted from the fundamental foundational truth that Jesus Christ is King, Lord of our lives. Thank you for sharing your research and knowledge (including your own journey in dispensationalism) on this topic. This helps me greatly. My father was a Lutheran minister, who took a year off from college (or seminary) to attend Moody Bible Institute with a friend. I now understand more of his history.
FOUNDER of the Rapture...I live here in the Bible belt and have to deal with this silliness every day.....incredible in the Protestant world all you have to do is put in a footnote in a Hippie Bible and you create an entire movement.......
Sean Moore, faith in God's provision to cover sin HAS ALWAYS BEEN at the center of restoring a right relation with God. Dispensationalists share this with others 'found in Christ' and their view of God's plan through the ages IS NOTHING that changes the central SALVIFIC nature in what God does in someone's life. To denounce others as heretical can be filled with vitriolic hatred (I'm not saying this is your position..) and if any man hates his brother, he does NOT have life.
saw your interview on Eschatology Matters...been following you for a while now. Loved the little tidbit on scripture memorization while running. God bless you brother.
Hi Bruce! I found your talk good to listen to, especially for me - dutch - living in Sweden - to learn more about the impact D. had on America. As always when feeling temperature is getting high, it easily leads to misinterpretation as we all understand. Therefore I fully understand your objections but also know the answers to it. I just listened to hear what you would say. Well we will supposedly not agree with each other. However I greatly enjoyed your talk. It was helpful! Theodor
One of the biggest issues I had with Dispensational teaching that was the final nail in the coffin for me is how the Dispensationalist is so comfortable attacking the Sovereignty of God. What do I mean? Many in Dispensationalism who also hold to Calvinism (which I do), will speak openly and unapologetically that God is sovereign and decrees all that would come to pass. But Dispensationalists actually go as far to say that when Christ was rejected the prophetic clock of Daniel stopped. Depending on who you talk to, some even express that the church was not in God’s original plan but was a Plan B that He brought about because He wasn’t expecting the Jews to reject the Messiah. In other words, the Jews rejection of Christ threw God off leading Him to scramble around for a moment and insert this parenthetical age between the 69th and 70th week called the Church Age. Other conversations I have had have lead some to believe that the Jews will be saved by some completely different way and will not be required to believe the Gospel or come to Jesus. This basically sounded absurd to me and made it that much easier for me to leave Dispensationalism altogether and with no regrets.
@RCS I just read the same thing in the comments. Someone said that at the end of everything, Israel would be on earth with God and Christians in Heaven with Jesus. I did follow pretrib rapture dispensationalism but after looking into history, I’d say I’m more thinking post millennial. Otherwise Jesus isn’t reigning now , well the bible clearly states that He is.
Wanda Rivera it’s not easy to undo what is taught in your church. Maybe the best thing is to distance yourself from the church to undo the thinking of Darby. That means you might even distance yourself from your family as well if they are attending as well.
@@gilgalbiblewheel6313 yes you can do something about what your church teaches. You question to what they preach and have them show you in the Bible where it says that... Be bold and question all things and your Bible Trump's what your pastor or my pastor teach. I've question my pastor about the pretrib and he could not show me one thing the says we would be raptured before the tribulation. So as christains we should rightly divide the word of God. Not how Schofield thinks you should. But do it the right way..
There are hundreds of millions who believe that's WHAT the Bible teaches...go to the Early church fathers and see authentic interpretation....www.newadvent.org/fathers.......
I am not really studying the dispensation theology. I just wanted to know wher it came from. But i do agree with you people need to read their own bibles.
I hope your talking about a guy named Bruce Gore out of Spokane, Washington. He will tell you all you need to know about John Nelson Darby. And more than that He is the best teacher I've heard.
Most of Darby's ideas are extremely familiar. However, I had no idea that the genesis of these ideas was so relatively recent. You can turn on any "end-times" Bible scholar and hear this refrain repeated almost ad nauseum.
Amen Bruce Amen! ... Jesus tells us we must be united so the world will see him. WE SEE DIVISION AMONG US..What then does the world see?Your remarks at the end SPEAKS to the Church today! ... Love You Brother !!! ..KEEP ON !!!
If the Christians who buy into this nonsense from Darby knew how they are thought of by the Jews, they would forsake this false teaching in a heartbeat.
I might add that on a dollars and cents spread sheet the book sellers of America are making a killing off of this end time craziness. The Tim La Haye, Jerry Jenkins Left Behind series made a bunch of money and the films. Nicholas Cage needs the money.
Darby and the Scofield Reference Bible were Lucifer's deception yet again, to undermine Christian unity under Jesus of Nazareth. Sadly, many have fallen away in the last 150 years or so.
I backed into dispensationalism because of what’s happening between Israel and Palestinian Hamas. I’ve heard this lecture from you 3 times and never put it together until I listened to a lecture following Falwell and others connected to their support of Israel in the past. I finally understand most of it. I don’t know where it leaves my theology but I know I have never been a dispensationalist simply by ignorance. I always heard of hall Lindsay and everyone else mentioned in this lecture but never put them all together theologically. Thank you for the study you did to enlighten us
Delighted to hear it, but with this caveat. Never trust some guy on TH-cam. Search the scriptures to see whether these things are true! Thanks again, and blessings in your studies.
I, too, grew up dispensationalist (Kansas City area Pentacostalism). I am atheist today. I wish I could say that reason alone is how I got to atheism, but that would be somewhat disingenuous. Fervor and all-consuming fear of the end times did play some role in driving me from the Christian faith of my youth, among other logic-based issues. I write all this to say that I enjoy all of your lectures immensely. They provide so much insight into something that the Pastors and other church goers didn't tell us as children, either out of ignorance or purposefully.
Forget religion and throw yourself upon CHRIST!!!!!!!! I too was raised up in the lie of Dispensationalism. I also figured out pretty quick that Preterism is also incorrect. After searching the denominations, I soon decided, I don't want any of them. No more isms for me... YESHUA is all you/I need!! Atheism is nonsense.... Please don't stay where you are now! Much love...
SAD TO HEAR THIS MY FRIEND...THE GOSPEL is a message of GOOD NEWS about a PERSON...JESUS CHRIST! Of God's great love for you and sending His Only Son to die for your and my sins! a promise of ETERNAL LIFE...FREE FROM ALL FEAR! Read the Bible for you self and look unto Jesus who will not fail you like a human organization.
The modern skeptics and scientists want everyone to believe that something comes from nothing----ask yourself how could this be?---not through their theories I assure you.
Daniel Miller if you look into flat earth for 1 day with a mind that can discern what your eyes see... you will not be an atheist for very long. The bible is the truth. If you find that too much start with NASA or any other space agency frauds... there are thousands of video bloopers.
Pastor Bruce Core, thanks for your knowledge and wisdom. The rapture and the fall of Babylon has to happen at the same time. After the rapture no country or nation will stay the same. No currency will stay the same, no government will stay the same not even Babylon. Therefore it has to happen at the same time and out of that will come one leader, one currency. The rapture will change everything including the fall of Babylon. Can’t be a pretribulation because Babylon is all the way to the end.
This comment is written June 29/22 and just letting you know that I discovered all these truths that you speak of a couple of years ago. I just discovered you within the last two weeks. I've been looking for a church and had no idea that it would be a Presbyterian church. lol I love it. Isn't it wonderful that I found the Truth at th
Actually, most theologians admit that pre-trib eschatology is what you come up with if you read the texts literally. So, a plain reading of scripture is where the rapture, a future for national Israel and Christ's Millennial Kingdom come from, not some guy named Darby.
@@DennisSchilling-vs2uc who is Darby? Im talking about real Bible believers Dr Gene Kim dispensationslism TH-cam. Watch them sometime and develop your critical thinking skills. Stop being a mocking bird
Without dispensationalism , I just wondered how the Israelites got saved before the advent of Christ? Could it be their sacrificial system and or the baptism of John or just plain faith on God's promises like Abraham's? Or just that it was confirmed by Jesus Christ Himself when He went down to Paradise in Hades?
I was a teenager when Hal Lindsey hit the scene with his book and by mid 70's a TV presentation that later also became a movie. Not sure you could have been alive in 1970's America and not have heard of Lindsey. Being a christian in America at the time as well as being in the south, you might live so far back that it takes a week for the Grand Ole Opry broadcast to reach you but you knew all about Hal Lindsey's utterances. I say that while laughing at how it was. That said, enjoyed the presentation, good overview and good primer. Need to hear more christians talking and discussing their faith's more recent history such as this.
Excellent message. If people understood the history of pretrib and these men they would never believe it. Now I've been on a quest to understand why pretrib is so firmly rooted since it is not in scripture even a little bit and I STILL a very important question. I would greatly appreciate answers from anyone: Dispensation is the idea that God deals with salvation differently in different times. We are in the time of grace. What I don't get is why or how is Dispensation so interwoven with pretrib? Why can pre trib NOT exist without Dispensation? What does Dispensation bring to table that validates pretrib rapture? Thank you
Straw man argument, dispensationalism is not a monolith. Almost all dispensationalists believe in salvation by faith alone, through Christ alone, in all dispensations. I encourage you to read or listen to John MacArthur a self described "leaky dispensationalist". It is true that Darby and SOME of the early dispensationalists (not Moody nor most) did go too far.
Bruce... Jesus is King. You've got it right. It is quite sad how many don't see this.. As Ron Dunn said to me, now so many years ago: "Go to seed on Jesus, nothing else!". It will be so nice, on the New Earth, to hug His neck and look Him in the eye and just say Thank You Sir".
Did you watch the video? Because "rightly dividing" doesn't mean that you literally chop up the Bible into different dispensations. Dispensationalists teach that God had different requirements for different people groups. 1. God doesn't change. 2. This paints God as being partial. God shows NO partiality.
Interesting to hear that John Nelson Darby was one of the founders of the Plymouth Brethren. Aleister Crowley, who is known as the most evil man in the 20th century, grew up in a wealthy family in Great Britain that belonged to the Plymouth Brethren. One could say that no one has fostered Satanism in the 20th century more than Crowley -- and it is amazing how many of the most popular rock and metal bands spread his mottos, etc. (some not as noticeably such as Led Zepellin and some right in your face, such as Marilyn Manson, Metallica and many more).
Our dispensational pastors of today, all trained in College and Seminaries, were all taught literal interpretation. They are the modern version of the first century Pharisees, teaching their tradition, “dispensationalism,” as the doctrine of God. But God has sworn that He will destroy the wisdom of the wise, i.e. the Doctors, and Rabbi’s and Teachers, and reveal His precious truths to the unlearned and simple, i.e. the lowly ones who learn their doctrine directly from the Holy Spirit. They are all ministers for hire. They preach the gospel for money. They serve mammon.
There is some truth in what you say, with the following caveats. First, 'most' seminaries in America today do not follow a dispensational interpretive framework. Second, while dispensationalism claims to take a 'literal' approach to the scripture, it is really a kind of selective literalism, that often ignores the genre of the text, whether poetic, apocalyptic, symbolic, parabolic, etc. A true 'literal' approach to the Bible means a respect for the literature, which is frequently ignored by dispensational interpreters. Finally, while I fully agree with your mention of the 'lowly ones' who learn directly from the Holy Spirit, it is worth noting that the vast mainstream of the Christian Tradition, in all three of its major forms (Eastern, Catholic, Protestant), have not followed a dispensational approach. This has rather been a distinctive feature of American Evangelical Christianity for reasons I develop in these lectures. Thanks for your interest!
Bruce, you are without a doubt my favorite and most beloved Bible teacher on the planet. I have listened to your entire series and some segments over and over. Thank you for your love of the Lord and His word and the thousands of hours of labor you have spent meditating and praying over it. I can't believe you actually took the time to respond to my comment. This was the most harsh and confrontational thing I have ever been led to post. I posted it mostly on the sites that are our oldest and most respected Dispensational teachers. You know who they are. It has taken me seven years for the Lord to lead me out of my Scofield Bible training. I studied 20 hours a week upon my retirement without any commentaries. That was the assignment the Lord gave me. It took 5 years before I would even think about what I am now sharing with my own Bible class as truth. The dispensational teaching that Jehovah is the husband of Israel and Christ is the husband of the church, I believe is an attack on the deity of Christ by making Him separate in nature and purpose from the divine being. Blessings upon you my beloved brother, I shall continue praying for your wonderful service to our Lord. I'm also up and in complete agreement with everything you responded with in your kind answer.
Lee Bradford Lee , have a look at Jacob Prasch's moriel ministry talk on dispensationalism. He has an annoying Brooklyn Jew accent but he lays it down. So does David Pawson. And Mister Gore. It's good to get a full view. God bless you - it's not easy when we confront bad teaching in our own denominations.
Thank you sir - the reach of Darby, Schofield & Lindsay is far beyond Dallas city limits. This helped me put my ducks in a row. You are most welcome to come visit Trinity Presbyterian in Melbourne!
I know your comment was from years ago, but I just found this video today, and I can confidently say that dispensationalism is all over the Midwest where I've lived my entire life. I know for sure in no uncertain terms that at least one of the churches I attended in my lifetime, were definitely dispensationalist.i don't know about my cirrent one since they don't really speak about things explicitly in that manner, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if many of the people in my church at the very least have dispensationalist beliefs mixed in with more true teachings and simply hold a number of dissonant beliefs because they weren't taught to recognize them for what they are. Take my parents for example. I think it's pretty safe to say that they have dispensationalist assumptions in many respects, but even though dispensationalism is basically a relativist belief system, they also believe true things that God never chamges, that truth and salvation is constant throughout all time and that relativism is false. They just don't understand how some of their dispensationalist assumptions about scripture that were ingraimed into them comtradict many of their other, just as, if not more deeply held beliefs. I think they, like many people wherever I've lived, do have the core tenets of the faith down, but they hold a lot of assumed ideas that implicitly contradict or challenge them because they come from an evangelical culture so mired in a lot of these ideas.
I appreciate your teaching up to the last few minutes. Dispensationalism theology is "another Gospel of the kingdom" the Gospel is the message of the Kingdom and its not about the end times and its not reserved for the Jews. Its a who so ever will message and the letter to Galations makes it clear that if ANY MAN or even if an ANGEL preaches any other Gospel other then what Jesus preached or even Paul preached they are to be accursed. Its not some light thing we can just overlook for the sake of unity. Its a doctrine of devils.
Oh please it is not another gospel. The gospel is Christ come in the flesh, crucified and resurrected offering salvation by grace through faith to all who believe. Whether you’re a dispy or not has nothing to do with it. Please don’t cause division over something like this. I’m no longer a dispensationalist but know many who are and they are not believing in another gospel or doctrine of demons. It’s Christ alone who saves, as long as we have that right, it’s the main thing.
I am a dispensationalist, You say that Derby begin the eschatology of dispensationalism, you are mistaken a careful study of Gods Word shows quite clearly that there are seven dispensations. Distinct periods of time that had their own set of rules. If the world were operating under the Edamic dispensation which there were only two rules 1.don’t eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, 2. Till the soil and tend to the garden. It would be an absolute failure, first of all the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was taken away in the flood. And secondly if there were no rules against murder and theft and adultery and all the rules the God set forth in the Mosaic dispensation, if we were living under the Edamic rules alone it would not be a crime to perpetrate all kinds of evil against your neighbor. Another example; the people living under the Mosaic dispensation would be in complete contradiction if the new covenant was in effect at the same time. The Mosaic covenant was designed by God for the Jewish people to live under, proving that mankind could not obtain Gods perfection through the keeping of Gods 613 laws. Israel has shown a complete failure in trying to keep the law, it was not enough to have 613 laws the Jewish leader ship after Israel’s time decided to make a fence around the law, The Sophrim, Tanaim (The apostle Paul what is the Tana) and Amoraim created the Gamara, Mishna and Talmud as well as Targums And other literature that added thousands of new laws to Gods ordained biblical laws(Matt 23) Where as the new covenant found in Jeremiah 31 describes a New and distinct covenant where God Himself takes on the consequence of sin as reflected in Isaiah 53. These two dispensation‘s cannot operate at the same time. The Abrahamic covenant was under scored eight times in genesis showing the strength of that covenant. And we can see the outworking of the Abrahamic covenant throughout human history, example in World War II the Jews were put in ghettos for four years, Germany was divided by the Berlin wall for 40 years. If you go to Bill Koenigs website and order the book Eye 2 Eye it is a chronology of presidents in the United States who have decided to divide the land of Israel. The perfect storm in 1991 that destroyed President Bush 1 Home in Kennebunkport Maine, he was delivering a plan to divide Israel to the world group in Europe at the very point in time. God is extremely complex,and when we annul or add something from His Word, we in effect are elevating ourselves above God. As a Jewish believer who has walked with the Lord most of my life, I have seen that it is far better to humble one’s self in the approach of reading God‘s Word. For decades critics of the Bibles accuracy said there was no such thing as the Hittite empire, until 1906 when in Boghaz Koi Turkey a farmer stumbled upon a jar containing a suzerain vessel treaty. I hope that my two cents worth won’t be erased from this page. Dispensationalism is absolutely biblical, and it did not start with Darby.
I've watched several of your videos now and I'm a huge fan of history. I went through the Presbyterian church on my way home and I would just like to leave you with this thought from the blessed Cardinal Newman.... To be deeply into history is to cease to be protestant.
That's good! It reminds me of comment made to me once. "What do you call a Catholic who has read straight through the Bible?"...a Protestant. (from a former Catholic friend of mine). All the best my friend.
Despite growing up in a Pentecostal church and believing in the idea of premillennial, rapture, pre-trib rapture, great tribulation, "Left Behind", all of it... I never actually heard about the "prophetic clock" being stopped until recently. It didn't make any sense. I just assumed that the 7-year tribulation, rapture, etc, were all clearly laid out in the book of Revelation. Actually reading what is stated told me that there's no real basis for much of the logic, even if you still subscribe to Revelation being futurist. There's nothing at all to suggest there's ANY "breaks" in the 70 weeks of Daniel. It doesn't make any sense. Yes, the explanation of what comes after is slightly confusing, but nothing here suggests a 2000+ year break at all.
The break, or "parenthesis" is actually taught in Daniel 9:26-27. The angel's prophecy is broken up itself into 3 parts, not given as 1 part. By the end of the first part, 49 years, the temple will be rebuilt, and it was. Then AFTER the end of the second part, 483 years, Messiah will be cut off, or crucified. That is important because to take it literally, Jesus' death happened after the second part, but before the third part, 1 week, 7 years. The "he" in verse 27 refers to the prince who is to come. The New Testament teaches about this one to come, the Antichrist, as one who has not yet arrived even in our day. To believe that the glorious kingdom, where there is perfect peace and everyone is provided for, is already here, now that's hard to believe. Jesus spoke of the great Tribulation to come 500 years after Daniel.
I get a real kick out of people who are against dispensationalism when the word dispensation is found in the scriptures. Rightly dividing the word of God is important to know who it is taking to and who it applies to. Here is just one example David in the psalms prayed for the Lord to not take his Holy Spirit from him. Nobody that has been born again should ever pray that prayer because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Now I am not saying not to ask for the fullness of the Holy Spirit but simply that we are his and he will never leave us or forsake us because when he purchases us with his own blood that is when the Holy spirit takes residence in the believer. No one in the Old Testament was born again. This also isn’t to say that everyone who believes in dispensationalism is always rightly dividing the word of truth. The Kingdom of heaven is not the same as the Kingdom of God. One is physical and one is spiritual. The bible says the kingdom of God dwelleth in you. It’s not Christs Physical Kingdom that dwells in us but his spiritual kingdom through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We are not baptized unto John’s baptism. Our baptism is not to make our way strait because the kingdom of heaven is at hand. You read in the book of Mathew if thy right hand offends thee cut it off or if thy right eye offends thee pluck it out it is better to have one hand than two to be cast into hell fire. Now if you think this applies to you then tell me where are all the one-eyed Christians or one-handed ones? don’t spiritualize this brother he is talking about swift judgment when he sets up his earthly kingdom. Need more proof? If thou say unto thy brother Raca thou shall be in danger of the council. WHAT COUNCIL? DONT, YOU DARE SPIRITUALISE THIS TO FIT YOUR OWN NARATIVE! But if thou say to thy brother thou fool, thou shall be in danger of hell fire. Swift judgement carried out by the Lord Jesus when he set up rulers and councils to carry out his judgments when he sits on his throne in Jerusalem. This may apply to us in principal but when it is that specific it doesn’t apply to us doctrinally at all. It is talking about a different time period a different dispensation. If you find it in the bible it didn't start with any man.
Thank you for your thoughtful review. As a former dispensationalist myself, I understand and have some sympathy for the arguments you make here. I used to make them myself! You might be interested in an excellent and even handed assessment of the history of dispensationalism available from Amazon at the link below. Whether you agree with the author's conclusions or night, I guarantee you will find it informative. Thanks again. www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Dispensationalism-Evangelical-Battle/dp/0802879225/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1K693AQ0EIBZZ&keywords=the+rise+and+fall+of+dispensationalism&qid=1698842932&sprefix=the+rise+and+fall+of+dispensationalsi%2Caps%2C297&sr=8-1
We have such a great wealth of knowledge these days from the Dead Sea Scrolls... I wonder if they would have made a difference in the thinking of Darby...
I think I understand your criticisms more after watching this video. I didn't grow up with Darby, Scofield, and Moody and I didn't really ever know the details of my dispensational heritage. The dispensationalism I was taught and read about seems a lot more toned down. I totally agree with your closing warnings whole heartedly. I still think it's more consistent, but I do appreciate your stance more now.
Dispensationalism is what happens whe after hundreds of years common people gain access to the scripture free from the tyranny of the traditional church and they open up to the law and orophet and find hundreds of instances of Future promises for israel that don't fit the church.
Indeed! They’re the very heretics who have the audacity to constantly attack His One Holy and Apostolic Church in the name of anti-Christ Zionism. Overseas, we’re witnessing the fruit of counterfeit Israel exploiting Bible prophecy through corrupted the Scofield Reference Bible. Scary times.
Hi Bruce, You attributed Scofield's dispensational scheme to Darby...that is not Darby's system. Also, you said in your previous vid that Darby heard Irving preach at a Powerscourt conference, what is the source of that informationplease?
rossjpurdy Thanks for your questions. On the first, Scofield modified Darby's system to some degree, but certainly relied heavily on Darby's commentary as he developed his dispensational understanding. Virtually every important dispensational thinker has been forced to introduce significant adjustments to allow for the changing geo-political situation of the times. On the second, I suggest you look at David MacPherson, The Rapture Plot (Simpsonville, SC: Millennium III Pub, 1995).
***** Scofield's scheme is virtually identical to Isaac Watt's scheme and yes I know Watt's is not a dispensationalist. The difference between Scofield and Darby is far more than a modification, Scofield's adoption of a dispensation of grace for the church age qualifies as a fundamental change from Darby. Re: Macpherson, I don't consider a failed tabloid journalist and conspiracy jockey a legitimate go to for any historical facts. I don't understand how his fiction has captured the imaginations of so many who I would think would know better! If you have based ANYTHING on his materials, you ought to quickly edit it out or find a legit source for the info!
***** Re: Macpherson, I hope that did not come across as too bombastic. I don't know if there will be many who even care. Dispensationalists will dismiss him out of hand and anyone trying to use his material to convince dispensationalists are going to be dismissed too. He is not adding anything of value to the discussion nor to an evaluation of dispensationalism. Those who take the time to read several of his books are going to find them mostly repetitive and aimed at making dispensationalists look like some devious secret society plotting to deceive all of Christianity. He gives no one their due respect especially Darby. Darby was brilliant enough to concoct his own theology without help. Darby was not interested in reforming the church like Irving, he was opposed to it and outright rejected it. Darby would have been repulsed by any charismania as well, and I think it incredible that he would borrow or incorporate anything from Irving or his ilk. A catching away was not unique to Irving and MacDonald's rapture was a partial midtrib affair nothing like Darby. As far as Darby's influence upon American dispensationalism is concerned, no doubt it was great. But American Dispensationalism crossed many denominational lines and was being admixed with a variety of other influences. So much so was that true that Darby became frustrated with the Americans, particularly Moody. Point being no one slavishly followed Darby and no one slavishly followed Scofield. The Scofield Bible is greatly beloved but it is not a doctrinal statement or some kind of "common prayer book" for evangelicals as some critics try to make it out to be. Case in point are Mid-Acts dispensationalists today who would disagree with a lot of Scofield's material, yet there are many who love their Scofield Bible. I know some who can't function without it because they have it so visually referenced in their minds when looking up Scriptures! I would go as far as to say that while the Scofield Bible is an important part of dispensational heritage, it is not so important anymore to modern dispensational theology. One would not know that by Dispensationalism's critics though, it seems most of them see fit to quote and attack Scofield in order to defeat dispensationalism! It is unusual if they quote someone who has not been dead for 60 years, except for Ryrie on occasion. In any case, there are virtually no in depth competent critiques of dispensationalism that I can find (and forget about any dealing with Mid-Acts or Acts 28 flavors). Again, it was refreshing to come upon your presentation and find it fair and balanced. But avoid MacPherson like the plague though.
rossjpurdy I'm somewhat surprised at your statement about 'virtually no in depth competent critiques of dispensationalism...' Are you dismissing House Divided (Bahnsen and Gentry), Last Days Madness (Demar), Before Jerusalem Fell (Gentry), Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth (Gerstner), just to name a few?
I wanna add a PS … if as you claim..” Paul didn’t mean what he said in 2Tim2:15 then mother did Christ.. bc Paul received his REVELATION fm no other then The Lord Jesus Christ… Himself…Gal.1:11,12
Let God be true and every preacher,presenter,tradition ,man's opinion be a liar. Whats so scripture is the standard. Period . Its only midacts right division Pauline dispensational view of bible study that fulfills this standard .
I sincerely appreciate your explanation on Dispensationalism. I have just one concern. I may not subscribe to Dispensationalism but I am perturbed by the attempt to scandalize a dispensationalism preacher simply because one does not agree with their theological positions. No preacher is perfect. Even Paul himself had a difficult past but God used Him as a an apostle and Christian missionary.
Dispensationalism literally endorses lawlessness and zero obedience. That's dangerous. They also put their twisted version of Paul's words above Jesus Christ himself. It's one of the most dangerous teachings out there.
It really saddens and angers me to know just how much junk I was taught by the church I attended when I first got saved. When you don't know anything, you'll swallow everything. So, thank you, Mr. Gore, for these lessons. So far, I've found pre-trib/dispensation to be altogether depressing, discouraging, and confusing. No thanks! The danger of pre-trib/dispensationalism is that it doesn't stay in its own place, but bleeds/seeps into and distorts the whole teachings of pastors who believe in it. It acts like a parasite to the other books of the NT, leaching any soundness and spiritual profitably from them for its own use, and creates biblically immature and sensationalist Christians. Therefore, because of the character of this eschatology I cannot trust the teachings of those who hold this warped and unrealistic view.
Thanks for the encouragement and the powerful critique. It's probably safe to say that every Christian teacher is a mix of truth and error. I've come a long way since I was 25 (now 75) and hopefully the growth has added some truth and eliminated some error. We must always keep pressing toward better understanding, however. The truth we pursue should always take precedence over the truth we possess!
What could possibly take..." precedence...." over...." I am the way...the truth....& the.....life....." Jn.14:6 ya suppose to be..." adding to ya Faith...." not dumping it for something else....or for some..." higher...." truth....!! i d like to hear ya version of the Gospel of Christ....& what it takes to be....saved...bc that alone is the credentials needed for teaching God,s word...Gal.1:1-12 ; 1Pet 1:23-25.....Acts 17:11 all ya seminary sheepskin....are no substitute for the teachings of the Holy Spirit of...God...Jn 14:26 ;15:26 ;16:13 oh & by the way you can do all this in....ENGLISH....if that's ya native tongue....imagine that....!!!!!! Acts 2:6-8 has never been rescinded by God....." Faith...STILL ...comes by hearing....& hearing by the word of God..." Rom 10:17.... ya see... for far toooo often...& for far tooooo long we,'ve equated what comes outta seminaries...as the word of God....& nothing could be further fm the....truth....especially if supported by all those so called..." modern..." bibles...that all DENY....w/ o exception...1.The Deity of Christ 2.The Virgin Birth of Christ 3.The Blood Atonement of Christ 4 Acts 8:37 is completely gone....expunged....eliminated......erased....& eradicated...fm...1Jn.5:10-13...." this is the record that God gave of His...Son..."... When Acts 8:37 was stricken fm God,s word...they eliminanted A.Who Christ..." The Son of God...."...B.The requirement for Salvation....." I believe..."....C.Why the guy went home rejoicing...." he had just gotten...saved..." all stricken fm the record that God gave of His....Son...!!!!!NO....DOUBT....FOR...PURPOSES....OF...CLARITY...oh & in Lk.4:4 they eliminated the last half of the verse....."...BUT....BY.....EVERY....WORD....THAT....PROCEEDS....FROM....THE....MOUTH....OF....GOD...." ...Completely gone...and must how do ya suppose our churches got flooded w/all these Roman Catholic...." modern..." bibles...???? They were endorsed by our seminaries....ya know....those Greek geek guru wannabes....They don't teach ya this stuff in Sunday school ...??? Hmmmmmm mustang slipped what's left of their....minds....yet these same people...while destroying Rapture Theology...101...1Thess.4:13-18;1Cor.15:51,52.... continue to endorse Roman Catholic Corrupt" Modern..." bibles....& tell us Paul had no idea what he was thinking when he penned 2Tim.2:15.... while endorsing Amillenialism.....Preterism ..Allegorizing great portions of prophetic scriptures...& het can't tell the Gospel fm grapes in a cornfield...
The apostles said the last days began with the manifestation of Christ in the flesh. They never claimed or at least,in their writings, tried to deduce anything like Daniel 70weeks to complicate the lives if the church. They knew that prior to christ's "prophecies" were of tremendous importance as they marked his Coming and Works. Now that Christ had come and he now lives in the believer by the Holy Ghost there is absolutely no need for an obsession with prophecies for since he was the Prophet and only through him the events come to pass and For him they come to pass why should his church who is joint heir with him be preoccupied with anything other than him for whom and by whom are all things? Love and honour christ and I can guarantee you not one prophecy would take the church by surprise. If they are ignorant of the scriptures he would speak to them in visions, dreams,towns and spoken word. Relationship with Christ puts us in correct relation with everything else whether they be tongues,prophecies, doctrines,knowledge, tribulations,death,hell,heaven....."all things are yours(ours)"-the church. There is absolutely no need to go off on any overzealous tangent. But so few get that. Our only recourse is "let no man deceive you" and "be not be troubled in mind or in spirit by false teachers.
Good talk. From what i understand Lyndsay was influenced by Thieme. A few family members here in Aust are deep into his/son/followers teachings. What a mess.
For ye are saved by grace through faith in Jesus.. graciously God receives whosever believes, but of those only they whom continue on will be transformed into Sons connected by faith perfected by obedience to the faith.
What faith "Good works"? those only they whom continue on will be transformed into Sons? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have You ever read the book of Ephesians? Ephesians 1:12 that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. (SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT UNTIL >>>>Ephesians 4:30) Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (SHOULD, not must or have to) 2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 if we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. The moment we believed we died with him, but not all of us suffer for him, and for those of us who don't (deny him), He will deny our reward, but He cannot deny our salvation, because when we believed the first time we were irrevocable sealed into the Body of Christ! HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF! I love Paul's statement in Romans 8 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. God bless You!
@@rlrett1Romans 3:22 , righteousness of God is by faith in Jesus Christ , to all them who believe , 3: 24 we are justified by grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. 3: 28 We hold that a man is justified by faith without works of Law. Romans 6: 1 What then should we continue in sin because Grace abounds? Not by any means. We who have died to sin, how can we continue to live in sin? 6: 11, So you must consider yourself dead to sin and alive to God in Jeus Christ, 6: 12 let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body that you should obey its carnal desires. 6 : 16 For whom you obey you are a slave to. Either sin which leads to death or OBEDIENCE that leads to righteousness. 6: 17 but thanks to God , you who were once enslaved to sin have become OBEDIENT from the heart to the teaching committed to you. Romans 1:5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring the Gentiles to the OBEDIENCE OF THE FAITH for his names sake 1:6 including you whom are called to Jesus Christ. Romans 2 : 6 He will render to each one according to his WORKS, 2: 7 to those who by patience in well doing ( obedience) seek for glory ( the rapture at the end of this age and the new heaven and earth) he will give eternal life. 2: 8 but for those who are self seeking , and DO NOT OBEY the truth but OBEY unrighteousness there will be wrath and fury. (Then on the last day Hell fire.) Romans 6 :1 what then are we to continue sinning that grace abounds? Not at all. 6:16 Do you not know you are a slave ( the property of ) whom you obey. If you obey sin , death , but OBEDIENCE (of faith in Jesus) leads to righteousness..6:17 but thanks be to God , for you were once the slave ( property of sin) have become OBEDIENT from the heart to the gospel committed to you. 6: 19 ......for righteousness leads to sanctification 6 : 22 you are now set free from sin, ( no longer under sins power) you are Gods property and the fruit or evidence of this is sanctification ( holiness) that leads to eternal life. I could go on and on.. but thats your responsibility to learn. The fruit of salvation in a believer, that he is saved, is holiness.
Pretrib doctrine has enabled the apostasy to accur because instead of the church rising up against the ungodly and fighting for the faith they hid inside church walls waiting for the evacuation that was promised to be any time now. 200 yrs ago to today.
Hi bruce, i dont understand the ending part where u said to know Jesus is king. All christains wld believe in that isnt it? Do u mean dispensation dont believe in that? Thk u.
Traditional dispensational teaching asserts that Jesus offered himself to Israel as her king in the first century, and Israel rejected Jesus. Thus the kingdom did not come in at that time, but rather waits for the 'kingdom' age, the millennium, which is yet future. Classic Christian understand would affirm that Jesus is king right now, that the kingdom was inaugurated with the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus, and that he must reign until he has put all enemies under his feet, the last of which is death.
Bruce, so is dispensation so called "rightly dividing the word" incorrect teaching ? I'm a infant Christian trying to understand , figure out all these. Many thks.
The word Paul used in 2 Timothy 2:15, which is translated into English as 'dividing' does not mean 'dividing' as dispensationalists suggests, namely, separating the Bible into various 'dispensations.' It means 'dividing' as in dissecting, looking deep within to determine the true character of the thing being studied, as a biologist might dissect an organism to determine its inner character.
@@GoreBruce thanks for responding. so he means what he says: that there are different messages God has in different ages. which is why when you do you don’t end up with confusion such as we here in the age of Grace being tied to and a replacement for Israel when Paul tells us clearly that we all are saved the same way, by grace and grace alone. “times past” when Gentiles had no hope is clearly not what is happening now as Jews have no special access to God and we all approach God via accepting the cross work and resurrection of Jesus Christ. this age will end as the ones preceding: when God has determined that the intended audience is beyond redemption (Noah’s flood, Israel being set aside) this age will end with the Gentiles being found as reprobate rejects and the Lord coming to call out the believers, meet them in the air and save them from the wrath to come laid out in John’s Revelation. that’s just the book. what the dispensationalists get caught up is trying to fit God into their calendar instead of just going by what the book says…if you have a KJV that is.
@@paulray494 Of course not. A good recent historical review of Dispensationalism should be consulted for further information: www.eerdmans.com/Products/7922/the-rise-and-fall-of-dispensationalism.aspx.
@@GoreBruce yes, that provides a history of “the church” and the philosophical underpinnings of the religions that have sprung up out of those underpinnings with an eye toward replacing Israel (which plays right into Satan’s hands, I digress) but what of what the text actually says. but Paul speaks of believers as being at liberty, at being in essence beyond religion. the issue you have with rightly dividing seems to be around the “religious” elements of dispensationalism (such as misuse of historical events to create a “timeline” that in essence puts God on a clock based on erroneous man made claims that Jesus in his earthly incarnation presumed not to do) that lead to events such as the “Great Disappointment” instead of just reading what’s there and knowing the time will be up when we meet Christ in the air, that we are not appointed to God’s wrath that is coming once “what letheth” ( which is the brake that is the Body of Christ) is out of the way and the Revelation can be fulfilled just as God via Jesus through John said it will be. just as he bought the flood, just as he sent Israel into exile, just as he sacrificed himself on the cross he will finish his business with Israel, the nations, reprobate humankind and Satan as it says in the book…literally.
Rev.22:18,19 is a warning to anyone who wants to play fast and loose with this prophecy. I hold in complete disdain J. N. Darby, C.I.Scofield, and anyone else past ,present and future who teaches this misrepresentation of prophecy in regard to the latter days. Heed the warning .
@@davidwoods6015 i agree that Darby is full of garbage, but I don't know that I'd draw as extreme a conclusion as you do. Misunderstanding biblical prophecy is the norm. The fact that Revelation in particular is such a difficult book to comprehend is why the Eastern Orthodox hesitate to even teach out of it to the masses in their services. It's really easy to misonterpret and not quite "get it." Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me like this warning is more applicable to those who deliberately try to twist Scripture from what they know is true in order to manipulate and deceive people, not referring to honest misonterpretationor ignorance.
These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering. Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” -Matthew 10:5-7
As a memorial of Jesus death in the past, the picture looked at again. The Millennium will be the last time that God will use to show the sinfulness of the human heart, even in a perfect environment, with perfect justice and all needs met. See Revelation 20:7-10. This is just prior to the Great White Throne judgment. How can you deny the Millennial Kingdom but purport to believe in the final judgment?
@@DennisSchilling-vs2uc You are right. This is a horrible teaching here not referring to scripture that refutes this. He makes this sound like it was all Darby's idea. It was NOT an idea, it is the truth. There is so much left out here
Just received some great teaching and reference to a very scholarly book by William C. Watson, entitled, "Dispensationalism Before Darby". It documents premillennial and pretribulation thought and teaching in the church in the 15, 16 and 1700's. Roman catholicism and the Roman government squelched the teaching of a coming kingdom on earth by threat of imprisonment or worse. God, through the reformation, reclaimed a biblical soteriology, but sadly the new denominations retained Roman Catholic eschatology. Praise Jesus that true biblical eschatology has been revived in these last days, fulfilling Daniel 12:9-10!
Hello Bruce, I would appreciate hearing the Presbyterian view of the mark of the beast, and the second coming of Christ. I like the parable of the ten virgins, it teaches us to be ready for the return of Jesus. What are the key differences of a dispensational view versus a Presbyterian view? Thank you for your videos. I have enjoyed and appreciate all the ones I have heard very much.
+Bevaleigh As far as I know, there is no distinct "Presbyterian" view of these questions. The Reformed Tradition, in which the Presbyterian church is found, embraces a variety of perspectives. My own view is that the 'mark of the beast' (666) is the numeric value of the name of Nero, and that the book of Revelation generally describes events of the first century. (See Ken Gentry, The Beast of Revelation, ICE, 1989). Dispensationalism is distinguished primarily by insistence that God has two separate redemptive programs in history, one for the church and one for Israel, and that the two are not to be confused. The traditional view (and my view) is that the true Israel in the Old Testament and the true Israel in the New Testament are one and the same family of faith (Rom. 9:6). Thus the Christian church can properly be called true Israel, the seed of Abraham by faith, and heirs of the promises made to Abraham and his seed (Gal. 3, Eph. 2). The New Testament certainly warns that Christ can return at any time, and we should be vigilant and watchful. That also appears to be the main thrust of the parable of the virgins. Thanks!
Dispensationalism is so ingrained into the background of modern Christianity teachings that I grew up being told all of this and didn't even know what the term "dispensationalism" meant. I finally sat down to watch this video to see what its definition is and Bruce does a phenomenal job laying it all out. Thanks!
@@thv6880you mean this guy is not a dispensationalist? I don’t see anything controversial or anti-dispensational about what he said. What further is there to make up my mind about? Are you messing with me?
same .. it was to hide the identity of the true 2 Thessalonians 2:3 man of sin/ son of perdition who is the Vicar of Christ=666 .. to hide the identity of the beast of Revelation 17 ie the Roman Catholic Church
its literally sickening
A comprehensive study of the Word of God and understanding how God is working through His People Israel leads will bring one to an understanding of God's working in the world through His covenant promise to Abraham and completed in Jesus Christ, the Son of David.....and see, I didn't eve need the word "dispensationalism" to explain the concept and the truth of God's Word.
@@davidcooper1201 you do believe in God's plans and timetables right? God has HIS chosen remnant of Israel THAT HE WILL keep HIS promises and everlasting covenant with. Do you agree?
I just learned the truth after October 7 and we all know what happened then. I kept saying something wasn’t right about this then a mortification popped up on X and I didn’t have notifications on X and it all of a sudden pops up?!?! It was Chuck Baldwin from Liberty Fellowship in Montana on scoffield - like this video is. SO to unlearn what I have been taught for 50 yrs was scary with a ton of anxiety but now so thankful and grateful ! I truly believe God had s hand with that video popping up. At that time I hardly ever looked on X and certainly wouldn’t have watched a video but something made me and what a blessing!!!
Once you see it, you can’t unsee it, hey? I have people telling me I’m wrong and I’m a heretic etc etc. but they will never convince me that the prophesies of Jesus and the Revelation of Christ are already fulfilled and we are now caught up with him in the clouds and that the new Kingdom, the Jerusalem is here now. It is us.❤
Jesus will reign on earth in the millennium after the 7 years of tribulation
Such a blessing! I am a newly saved Christian and very bothered by the doctrine of dispensationalism and the pre-trib rapture. No one simply reading the Bible would come to these conclusions and just like you've said, it has become a distraction.
Thanks for the kind feedback - and God's richest blessing to you and yours in this new chapter of your life.
mleeb16 I agree with you. I take it further and say that biblical prophecy has been fulfilled already. Mr. Gore has done a video, or two, on how I believe it worked out. I enjoy his video lessons.
That's because Daniel's 70th week requires some study and meditation. The Revelation is actually describing the coming of Daniel's 70th week. This makes so much sense. Do yourself a favor and read some of Dr. John Walvoord's books.
Bluesman, Dispensationalism is a pack of lies based in large part on a diabolical interpretation of Daniel ch. 9:24-27. I believed these doctrines for 40 years.
It’s not merely a distraction but extremely damaging to the truth of the bible and shapes how you live. People are more interested in the daily life news and try to fit current events to twist what the bible actually teaches. We condemn Mormons, Seventh Day Adventist’s for their dangerous false teachings and this lie is no different.
It is only a matter of time when dispensationalism will be a heresy.
It is heresy
I grew up Pentecostal and Dispensationalist. Thankfully though, my parents, God bless them, also gave me a solid grounding in basic orthodoxy and taught me to think for myself. Several years ago, I began listening to a pastor by the name of Chuck Baldwin. He's the one who really pulled me out of Dispensationalism. Then it was guys like Doug Wilson, Jeff Durbin, and Bruce Gore who pulled me into Postmillennialism. I thank God for all of them!!! FREE PALESTINE!🇵🇸🇵🇸✝️✝️
Welcome aboard!
Have you done anything on your own?
Jeff Durbin is amillenial I wouldn’t listen to him he thinks revelation already happened
My brother you have been lead astray. Now accept my challenge and take a major prophet say Isaiah read through it slowly and carefully noting every time that Israel is mentioned. Now ask yourself if it is logical to spiritualize the blessing and give them to the church while interpreting the curses as literal and give them to the Jews.
The part about the conferences the dispensationalists held where they went through the newspapers to find evidence that they were living in the last days and Christ’s return was just around the corner…dispensationalists STILL do this today!
Yup, and every year there are a plethora of books & articles about how "This is the end!"
I am not a “dispensationalist” but believe we are not Israel, are saved via a program of grace and that Paul is our apostle. I also believe the Lord when he says no man knows the hour or the day so I don’t engage in that but listen for “the Trump” as Paul speaking for the Lord instructs. and the best thing is by doing it that way EVERYTHING falls into place. so I don’t have to take anyone’s word for it except the Word itself.
I grew up dispensationalist, although I had never heard the term. I never knew of Darby, either, and I believe this is common among most evangelicals out there. They accept the pre-trib rapture because that is all they know, including the pastors. Most couldn't tell you why they believe it other than "Well that is what my pastor told me," and I wonder what Bible schools are telling their students, and how much history is conveniently left out. Or worse--are they being told that this teaching originated with the Apostles.
I abandoned Dispensationalism several years ago when the Lord lead me to study eschatology on my own. I love (and minored) in history and art history and had a great interest in Church history already. I started with the Scripture and reading all verses in context, I couldn't justify a belief in Dispensationalism. Then, of course, I had to find out where in the world Dispensationalism came from and discovered it was more "Darbism" than Christian doctrine passed down from the Apostles. So yeah, we Protestants are also guilty of adding to Church teaching which is not good.
I believe the Lord purposely left much of the future as a mystery with many clues, to be unveiled in due season. We are called to watch, to stay alert, and to follow and trust Him, not decipher prophecies. Read and study them, yes. Learn them well, but allow God room to reveal in His good time.
Blessings to all...
Genesis of Dispensational Theology
th-cam.com/video/Ee4RS5pDntQ/w-d-xo.html
PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418
Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_23.pdf
Pretribulationist Revisionism
(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
Pastor Tim Warner
www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_22.pdf
I appreciate your testimony. I had a pastor say one time that nobody would come to these conclusions of theology on their own if they just read the bible. It takes men teaching men to keep Dispensation lies going. Many are coming out these days though as faithful people like Bruce restore the understanding of the Gospel once delivered to the Church.
I have a question that in all my searching i just can't seem to understand :
Dispensation is the idea that God deals with salvation differently in different times. We are in the time of grace where we are saved by faith.
Why or how is Dispensation so interwoven with pretrib? Why can pre trib NOT exist without Dispensation? What does Dispensation bring to table that validates pretrib rapture?
In such a case how to you tear down Dispensation so you can unravel pretrib in deceived Christian minds? Ty.
@@destinycoach5 It has always been by faith, Heb 12 Before Jesus they looked forward by faith, Joh_8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
@@aktrapper6126 well I don't think this answer had anything to do with dispensation and pre trib rapture but thank you.
Bruce thank you for these lessons. I have never heard of most of this history and these religious figures. But I live in a conservative Texas which Has been deeply influenced by these fundamentalist traditions. I am usually bewildered by these people. I have studied comparative religion and mysticism most of my life. I am glad to finally understand what is helpful in this conservative tradition and what throws many of these people away from the all embracing compassion which I see Jesus teaching in the Gospels. I hope I can learn to love those who disagree with me more even though many of them sometimes persecute those who are different from them.
@Vara Sue Tamminga
, what is more compassionate what Jesus taught in the 4 Gospels or what Jesus teaches through Paul for the body of Christ! Lets take Forgiveness!
Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
Both scripture passages teach the importance of forgiveness! In Matthew (Gospel) it is conditional based on your performance to forgive first, in Ephesians it is unconditional for the sake of Christ! The first one is under a covenant/law (Israel), the second one is for the body of Christ, under no covenant/law !
God bless You!
Man my toes were getting stepped on... but so good. Thank you again for this amazing tour of Church History.
Yeah, I've had a bit of pain in my toes over the years as well. Thanks!
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
@@SpotterVideo God has joined all of His believers into one Body, Jew and Gentile. And "what God has joined together, let not man put asunder," not even John Nelson Darby.
@@kingfisher5200 Amen.
Christ is the King of Israel in John 1:49. He is the Head, and we are His Body. The two cannot be separated. We are covered by the King of Israel's blood.
@@SpotterVideoFANTASTIC WORK IN THIS!! Thank you!!!
These lectures are university-level quality. Well...maybe that’s an insult these days, but you know what I mean. Great work!
Yeah, I pretty much fail the 'woke' test.
I came to faith in 1982 in a church that extensively (and nearly exclusively) used the Scofield Reference Bible in their teaching and preaching. It was a wonderful church and I am glad that God lovingly used it to help me grow in my young faith. But I can see in retrospect how flawed their teachings were and continue to be. Forty years ago I would have rejected out of hand your teaching using all of the arguments you just articulated. And today I am so thankful that you took the time to (in Christian love) present the truth. I thoroughly enjoy your teaching and recommend you to all of my fellow believers.
This is the best explanation of Dispensationalism that I have ever heard. John Nelson Darby was a young Irish-Anglo lawyer who fell off his horse. While he was recuperating he saw things in the Bible that Augustine of Hippo, Luther, Calvin, Edwards, Wesley and Spurgeon never saw. Darby was very creative.
I did think it very interesting how Darby divided biblical history into the 7 ages; age of innocence in the garden; then conscience; then civil government, then the patriarchs, then the law, then the gospel of grace and the church, then the return/millenium/final judgment; Darby's great error declaring that God had a different way of salvation with each age: he ignores the clear teaching of scripture that OT and NT saints are saved by grace through faith (and not of ourselves but is gift of God to His elect in all ages). For Darby to dare attribute OT and much of NT only to physiologic Jewish people, and not for the saints (church, elect) is such error and arrogance. End times theology has been a snare for many people, so Calvin would not even do commentary on Revelation.
@@peterdroubay2967 , You are right any age is saved by faith! The difference is how we show this faith! In James 2 as most know this passage very well!
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Luther hated the book of James, because it opposed Romans, Luther didn't have dispensational understanding!
Lets look at Romans 4
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
It is impossible to reconcile James 2 and Romans 4 without dispensational understanding, though 99% of Christianity is doing exactly that and butchering the word of God and exactly of this (butchering) are dispenationalists accused!
Take the important issue of FORGIVENESS!
Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
Both scripture passages teach the importance of forgiveness! In Matthew it is conditional based on your performance to forgive first, in Ephesians it is unconditional for the sake of Christ! The first one is under a covenant/law (Israel), the second one is for the body of Christ, under no covenant/law !
God bless You!
@@peterdroubay2967 I have many issues with Calvin and Calvinism, but one thing about him that I do respect is his restraint when it comes to Revelation, something most of his current proponents don't do themselves.
@@peterdroubay2967I believe it was Luther as well who wouldn’t touch Revelation, as far as writing an exegesis.
Keep up the awesome job you are doing!!! You are liberating and freeing Gods people from a doctrine of men! Keep your hand to the plow, don't quit, and I'll see you at the banqueting table with our King the Lord Jesus!
This playlist about the apocalypse and history of eschatological views keeps me occupied during this pandemic. Such eye-opening lectures.
This is by far the best teachings on the subject that I have ever heard.
There is no end to the church age. There is glory to God to be given in the church for all ages, so the church never ends: "Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, unto him be glory IN THE CHURCH by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen" (Eph. 3:20-21).
Guess who penned this verse? Paul! Who was the dispensation of grace given to? Paul! The church age (Body of Christ) never ends, this is correct, but it ends on earth, that why we have a Pre-trib rapture! Body of Christ eternal destiny is heaven, Israel's eternal destiny is a Heavenly kingdom on earth! (The our father prayer) God bless You!
@@rlrett1
Matthew 21:33-46
@@rlrett1 When Paul said those words in Ephesians 3:2-“If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:”, he wasn’t referring to a specific period of time at all; for this word, dispensation is a poor translation. Please look it up in any Strongs concordance.
οἰκονομία- (G3622) administration (of a household or estate); specifically a (religious) “economy”
Paul is saying that God gave him stewardship (another name for household administrator) of the message of grace.
God bless you
I'm glad I found this. You answered Why You now are a Presbyterian. God Bless... gonna pray. I've been raised apparently, as a dispensationalist
Dr Gore, this is the only video of yours I have watched. Thank you for posting it.
I have often thought that Mormons would not be Mormons if they really knew what Mormonism teaches. The same with JWs, Catholicism, and especially Scientism.
However, I think that if most nominal dispensationalists understood the origins and doctrinal contradictions of dispensationslism, they would be appalled and separate themselves from it.
Yes, I agree. Dispensationalism has adjusted many of its more egregious ideas since the time of Scofield, but it still remains a sad distraction from the Bible's central message. Thanks for the feedback!
Amen. Let's never be distracted from the fundamental foundational truth that Jesus Christ is King, Lord of our lives. Thank you for sharing your research and knowledge (including your own journey in dispensationalism) on this topic. This helps me greatly. My father was a Lutheran minister, who took a year off from college (or seminary) to attend Moody Bible Institute with a friend. I now understand more of his history.
Thank God for historians B Gore!!
Extraordinarily powerful historical instruction, thank you for your work 🙏
FOUNDER of the Rapture...I live here in the Bible belt and have to deal with this silliness every day.....incredible in the Protestant world all you have to do is put in a footnote in a Hippie Bible and you create an entire movement.......
3 of the greatest heresies being taught in Evangelical Churches today:
Dispensationalism, Zionism, and Futurism.
How are these heresies?
Just because you disagree with something does not make it heretical. These are in house issues that can be debated.
If they aren't true then they are heresies full of lies. The future of liars ( Rev 21:8 )
I agree with that!
Sean Moore, faith in God's provision to cover sin HAS ALWAYS BEEN at the center of restoring a right relation with God. Dispensationalists share this with others 'found in Christ' and their view of God's plan through the ages IS NOTHING that changes the central SALVIFIC nature in what God does in someone's life. To denounce others as heretical can be filled with vitriolic hatred (I'm not saying this is your position..) and if any man hates his brother, he does NOT have life.
Wonderful teaching. God bless you Brother Bruce
saw your interview on Eschatology Matters...been following you for a while now. Loved the little tidbit on scripture memorization while running. God bless you brother.
Hi Bruce! I found your talk good to listen to, especially for me - dutch - living in Sweden - to learn more about the impact D. had on America.
As always when feeling temperature is getting high, it easily leads to misinterpretation as we all understand. Therefore I fully understand your objections but also know the answers to it.
I just listened to hear what you would say. Well we will supposedly not agree with each other. However I greatly enjoyed your talk. It was helpful! Theodor
Thank you so much for this Lecture.
My Dad is a DTS Grad, ('74) and this explains a lot!
One of the biggest issues I had with Dispensational teaching that was the final nail in the coffin for me is how the Dispensationalist is so comfortable attacking the Sovereignty of God. What do I mean? Many in Dispensationalism who also hold to Calvinism (which I do), will speak openly and unapologetically that God is sovereign and decrees all that would come to pass. But Dispensationalists actually go as far to say that when Christ was rejected the prophetic clock of Daniel stopped. Depending on who you talk to, some even express that the church was not in God’s original plan but was a Plan B that He brought about because He wasn’t expecting the Jews to reject the Messiah. In other words, the Jews rejection of Christ threw God off leading Him to scramble around for a moment and insert this parenthetical age between the 69th and 70th week called the Church Age. Other conversations I have had have lead some to believe that the Jews will be saved by some completely different way and will not be required to believe the Gospel or come to Jesus. This basically sounded absurd to me and made it that much easier for me to leave Dispensationalism altogether and with no regrets.
You are very confused!
@RCS I just read the same thing in the comments. Someone said that at the end of everything, Israel would be on earth with God and Christians in Heaven with Jesus.
I did follow pretrib rapture dispensationalism but after looking into history, I’d say I’m more thinking post millennial.
Otherwise Jesus isn’t reigning now , well the bible clearly states that He is.
How sad that people rather keep studying what Darby taught instead of what the Bible teaches.
Wanda Rivera it’s not easy to undo what is taught in your church. Maybe the best thing is to distance yourself from the church to undo the thinking of Darby. That means you might even distance yourself from your family as well if they are attending as well.
@@gilgalbiblewheel6313 yes you can do something about what your church teaches. You question to what they preach and have them show you in the Bible where it says that... Be bold and question all things and your Bible Trump's what your pastor or my pastor teach. I've question my pastor about the pretrib and he could not show me one thing the says we would be raptured before the tribulation. So as christains we should rightly divide the word of God. Not how Schofield thinks you should. But do it the right way..
@777Greanline i dont understand but the bible says he is coming with the voice of an arch angel to take us can you please open my eyes
There are hundreds of millions who believe that's WHAT the Bible teaches...go to the Early church fathers and see authentic interpretation....www.newadvent.org/fathers.......
I am not really studying the dispensation theology. I just wanted to know wher it came from. But i do agree with you people need to read their own bibles.
I do enjoy this guy as a church history teacher. He is very concise. And it is really good to see where most of these doctrines come from.
I hope your talking about a guy named Bruce Gore out of Spokane, Washington. He will tell you all you need to know about John Nelson Darby. And more than that He is the best teacher I've heard.
Most of Darby's ideas are extremely familiar. However, I had no idea that the genesis of these ideas was so relatively recent. You can turn on any "end-times" Bible scholar and hear this refrain repeated almost ad nauseum.
Amen Bruce Amen! ... Jesus tells us we must be united so the world will see him. WE SEE DIVISION AMONG US..What then does the world see?Your remarks at the end SPEAKS to the Church today! ... Love You Brother !!! ..KEEP ON !!!
If the Christians who buy into this nonsense from Darby knew how they are thought of by the Jews, they would forsake this false teaching in a heartbeat.
True
So true, well said.
Absolutely, you are so correct.
I might add that on a dollars and cents spread sheet the book sellers of America are making a killing off of this end time craziness. The Tim La Haye, Jerry Jenkins Left Behind series made a bunch of money and the films. Nicholas Cage needs the money.
Darby and the Scofield Reference Bible were Lucifer's deception yet again, to undermine Christian unity under Jesus of Nazareth.
Sadly, many have fallen away in the last 150 years or so.
I backed into dispensationalism because of what’s happening between Israel and Palestinian Hamas. I’ve heard this lecture from you 3 times and never put it together until I listened to a lecture following Falwell and others connected to their support of Israel in the past. I finally understand most of it. I don’t know where it leaves my theology but I know I have never been a dispensationalist simply by ignorance. I always heard of hall Lindsay and everyone else mentioned in this lecture but never put them all together theologically. Thank you for the study you did to enlighten us
After listening to your lectures, you've made me rethink a lot of what I've been taught lol
Delighted to hear it, but with this caveat. Never trust some guy on TH-cam. Search the scriptures to see whether these things are true! Thanks again, and blessings in your studies.
I, too, grew up dispensationalist (Kansas City area Pentacostalism). I am atheist today. I wish I could say that reason alone is how I got to atheism, but that would be somewhat disingenuous. Fervor and all-consuming fear of the end times did play some role in driving me from the Christian faith of my youth, among other logic-based issues.
I write all this to say that I enjoy all of your lectures immensely. They provide so much insight into something that the Pastors and other church goers didn't tell us as children, either out of ignorance or purposefully.
I appreciate very much your kind feedback, and I hope you'll stay in touch!
Forget religion and throw yourself upon CHRIST!!!!!!!! I too was raised up in the lie of Dispensationalism. I also figured out pretty quick that Preterism is also incorrect. After searching the denominations, I soon decided, I don't want any of them. No more isms for me... YESHUA is all you/I need!! Atheism is nonsense.... Please don't stay where you are now! Much love...
SAD TO HEAR THIS MY FRIEND...THE GOSPEL is a message of GOOD NEWS about a PERSON...JESUS CHRIST! Of God's great love for you and sending His Only Son to die for your and my sins! a promise of ETERNAL LIFE...FREE FROM ALL FEAR! Read the Bible for you self and look unto Jesus who will not fail you like a human organization.
The modern skeptics and scientists want everyone to believe that something comes from nothing----ask yourself how could this be?---not through their theories I assure you.
Daniel Miller if you look into flat earth for 1 day with a mind that can discern what your eyes see... you will not be an atheist for very long. The bible is the truth. If you find that too much start with NASA or any other space agency frauds... there are thousands of video bloopers.
Awesome study.
excellent job much needed!
Pastor Bruce Core, thanks for your knowledge and wisdom. The rapture and the fall of Babylon has to happen at the same time.
After the rapture no country or nation will stay the same. No currency will stay the same, no government will stay the same not even Babylon. Therefore it has to happen at the same time and out of that will come one leader, one currency. The rapture will change everything including the fall of Babylon. Can’t be a pretribulation because Babylon is all the way to the end.
This comment is written June 29/22 and just letting you know that I discovered all these truths that you speak of a couple of years ago. I just discovered you within the last two weeks. I've been looking for a church and had no idea that it would be a Presbyterian church. lol I love it. Isn't it wonderful that I found the Truth at th
sorry... to continue .... that I found the Truth at such a time as this.
thank you so much for these videos
I think dispensationalism makes sense. I never was able to make sense of the bible til I came across dispensationalism
Then you should not abandon it, unless God shows you a better way.
@@GoreBruce yes I am not going to.
Actually, most theologians admit that pre-trib eschatology is what you come up with if you read the texts literally. So, a plain reading of scripture is where the rapture, a future for national Israel and Christ's Millennial Kingdom come from, not some guy named Darby.
@@DennisSchilling-vs2uc who is Darby? Im talking about real Bible believers Dr Gene Kim dispensationslism TH-cam. Watch them sometime and develop your critical thinking skills. Stop being a mocking bird
Without dispensationalism , I just wondered how the Israelites got saved before the advent of Christ? Could it be their sacrificial system and or the baptism of John or just plain faith on God's promises like Abraham's? Or just that it was confirmed by Jesus Christ Himself when He went down to Paradise in Hades?
Best opening I’ve heard. Brought clarity.
Very excellent presentation. You answer all the questions.
I was a teenager when Hal Lindsey hit the scene with his book and by mid 70's a TV presentation that later also became a movie. Not sure you could have been alive in 1970's America and not have heard of Lindsey. Being a christian in America at the time as well as being in the south, you might live so far back that it takes a week for the Grand Ole Opry broadcast to reach you but you knew all about Hal Lindsey's utterances. I say that while laughing at how it was. That said, enjoyed the presentation, good overview and good primer. Need to hear more christians talking and discussing their faith's more recent history such as this.
Hal still pushing his lies.
Excellent message. If people understood the history of pretrib and these men they would never believe it.
Now I've been on a quest to understand why pretrib is so firmly rooted since it is not in scripture even a little bit and I STILL a very important question. I would greatly appreciate answers from anyone:
Dispensation is the idea that God deals with salvation differently in different times. We are in the time of grace.
What I don't get is why or how is Dispensation so interwoven with pretrib? Why can pre trib NOT exist without Dispensation? What does Dispensation bring to table that validates pretrib rapture?
Thank you
Straw man argument, dispensationalism is not a monolith. Almost all dispensationalists believe in salvation by faith alone, through Christ alone, in all dispensations. I encourage you to read or listen to John MacArthur a self described "leaky dispensationalist". It is true that Darby and SOME of the early dispensationalists (not Moody nor most) did go too far.
I’m beginning to view this novel dispensational movement as nothing more than a highly deceptive Judeo-centric cult. ✔️
That is very close to the mark, in my opinion.
@@GoreBruce Unfortunately, I think you’re absolutely right, my friend. ✔️
Bruce... Jesus is King. You've got it right. It is quite sad how many don't see this.. As Ron Dunn said to me, now so many years ago: "Go to seed on Jesus, nothing else!". It will be so nice, on the New Earth, to hug His neck and look Him in the eye and just say Thank You Sir".
Thank you.
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Amen to that.
2 Tim. 2:15, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
Did you watch the video? Because "rightly dividing" doesn't mean that you literally chop up the Bible into different dispensations. Dispensationalists teach that God had different requirements for different people groups. 1. God doesn't change. 2. This paints God as being partial. God shows NO partiality.
Interesting to hear that John Nelson Darby was one of the founders of the Plymouth Brethren. Aleister Crowley, who is known as the most evil man in the 20th century, grew up in a wealthy family in Great Britain that belonged to the Plymouth Brethren. One could say that no one has fostered Satanism in the 20th century more than Crowley -- and it is amazing how many of the most popular rock and metal bands spread his mottos, etc. (some not as noticeably such as Led Zepellin and some right in your face, such as Marilyn Manson, Metallica and many more).
Not Hitler?
Very excellent presentation. you are blessed.
Our dispensational pastors of today, all trained in College and
Seminaries, were all taught literal interpretation. They are the modern
version of the first century Pharisees, teaching their tradition,
“dispensationalism,” as the doctrine of God. But God has sworn that He
will destroy the wisdom of the wise, i.e. the Doctors, and Rabbi’s and
Teachers, and reveal His precious truths to the unlearned and simple,
i.e. the lowly ones who learn their doctrine directly from the Holy
Spirit. They are all ministers for hire. They preach the gospel for
money. They serve mammon.
There is some truth in what you say, with the following caveats. First, 'most' seminaries in America today do not follow a dispensational interpretive framework. Second, while dispensationalism claims to take a 'literal' approach to the scripture, it is really a kind of selective literalism, that often ignores the genre of the text, whether poetic, apocalyptic, symbolic, parabolic, etc. A true 'literal' approach to the Bible means a respect for the literature, which is frequently ignored by dispensational interpreters. Finally, while I fully agree with your mention of the 'lowly ones' who learn directly from the Holy Spirit, it is worth noting that the vast mainstream of the Christian Tradition, in all three of its major forms (Eastern, Catholic, Protestant), have not followed a dispensational approach. This has rather been a distinctive feature of American Evangelical Christianity for reasons I develop in these lectures. Thanks for your interest!
Bruce, you are without a doubt my favorite and most beloved Bible teacher on the planet. I have listened to your entire series and some segments over and over. Thank you for your love of the Lord and His word and the thousands of hours of labor you have spent meditating and praying over it. I can't believe you actually took the time to respond to my comment. This was the most harsh and confrontational thing I have ever been led to post. I posted it mostly on the sites that are our oldest and most respected Dispensational teachers. You know who they are. It has taken me seven years for the Lord to lead me out of my Scofield Bible training. I studied 20 hours a week upon my retirement without any commentaries. That was the assignment the Lord gave me. It took 5 years before I would even think about what I am now sharing with my own Bible class as truth. The dispensational teaching that Jehovah is the husband of Israel and Christ is the husband of the church, I believe is an attack on the deity of Christ by making Him separate in nature and purpose from the divine being.
Blessings upon you my beloved brother, I shall continue praying for your wonderful service to our Lord. I'm also up and in complete agreement with everything you responded with in your kind answer.
Thanks for your kind comments.
Lee Bradford Lee , have a look at Jacob Prasch's moriel ministry talk on dispensationalism. He has an annoying Brooklyn Jew accent but he lays it down. So does David Pawson. And Mister Gore. It's good to get a full view. God bless you - it's not easy when we confront bad teaching in our own denominations.
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Isn't it also the case that dispensationalism fails to follow the New Testament's pattern of interpreting the OT Christocentrically?
Thank you sir - the reach of Darby, Schofield & Lindsay is far beyond Dallas city limits. This helped me put my ducks in a row. You are most welcome to come visit Trinity Presbyterian in Melbourne!
Thank you!
I know your comment was from years ago, but I just found this video today, and I can confidently say that dispensationalism is all over the Midwest where I've lived my entire life. I know for sure in no uncertain terms that at least one of the churches I attended in my lifetime, were definitely dispensationalist.i don't know about my cirrent one since they don't really speak about things explicitly in that manner, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if many of the people in my church at the very least have dispensationalist beliefs mixed in with more true teachings and simply hold a number of dissonant beliefs because they weren't taught to recognize them for what they are. Take my parents for example. I think it's pretty safe to say that they have dispensationalist assumptions in many respects, but even though dispensationalism is basically a relativist belief system, they also believe true things that God never chamges, that truth and salvation is constant throughout all time and that relativism is false. They just don't understand how some of their dispensationalist assumptions about scripture that were ingraimed into them comtradict many of their other, just as, if not more deeply held beliefs. I think they, like many people wherever I've lived, do have the core tenets of the faith down, but they hold a lot of assumed ideas that implicitly contradict or challenge them because they come from an evangelical culture so mired in a lot of these ideas.
Wow, you are very knowledgeable about this subject, as well as others I’m sure. I subscribed.
Thanks for that, and welcome aboard!
I appreciate your teaching up to the last few minutes. Dispensationalism theology is "another Gospel of the kingdom" the Gospel is the message of the Kingdom and its not about the end times and its not reserved for the Jews. Its a who so ever will message and the letter to Galations makes it clear that if ANY MAN or even if an ANGEL preaches any other Gospel other then what Jesus preached or even Paul preached they are to be accursed. Its not some light thing we can just overlook for the sake of unity. Its a doctrine of devils.
Thanks for your clarity!
Oh please it is not another gospel. The gospel is Christ come in the flesh, crucified and resurrected offering salvation by grace through faith to all who believe.
Whether you’re a dispy or not has nothing to do with it.
Please don’t cause division over something like this.
I’m no longer a dispensationalist but know many who are and they are not believing in another gospel or doctrine of demons.
It’s Christ alone who saves, as long as we have that right, it’s the main thing.
@@bell5309 Oh its another Gospel alright, it puts confidence in the flesh. It is the "other Gospel" the apostle Paul warned about in Galatians.
I am a dispensationalist, You say that Derby begin the eschatology of dispensationalism, you are mistaken a careful study of Gods Word shows quite clearly that there are seven dispensations. Distinct periods of time that had their own set of rules.
If the world were operating under the Edamic dispensation which there were only two rules 1.don’t eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, 2. Till the soil and tend to the garden. It would be an absolute failure, first of all the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was taken away in the flood. And secondly if there were no rules against murder and theft and adultery and all the rules the God set forth in the Mosaic dispensation, if we were living under the Edamic rules alone it would not be a crime to perpetrate all kinds of evil against your neighbor.
Another example; the people living under the Mosaic dispensation would be in complete contradiction if the new covenant was in effect at the same time.
The Mosaic covenant was designed by God for the Jewish people to live under, proving that mankind could not obtain Gods perfection through the keeping of Gods 613 laws.
Israel has shown a complete failure in trying to keep the law, it was not enough to have 613 laws the Jewish leader ship after Israel’s time decided to make a fence around the law, The Sophrim, Tanaim (The apostle Paul what is the Tana) and Amoraim created the Gamara, Mishna and Talmud as well as Targums And other literature that added thousands of new laws to Gods ordained biblical laws(Matt 23)
Where as the new covenant found in Jeremiah 31 describes a New and distinct covenant where God Himself takes on the consequence of sin as reflected in Isaiah 53.
These two dispensation‘s cannot operate at the same time.
The Abrahamic covenant was under scored eight times in genesis showing the strength of that covenant. And we can see the outworking of the Abrahamic covenant throughout human history, example in World War II the Jews were put in ghettos for four years, Germany was divided by the Berlin wall for 40 years. If you go to Bill Koenigs website and order the book Eye 2 Eye it is a chronology of presidents in the United States who have decided to divide the land of Israel. The perfect storm in 1991 that destroyed President Bush 1 Home in Kennebunkport Maine, he was delivering a plan to divide Israel to the world group in Europe at the very point in time.
God is extremely complex,and when we annul or add something from His Word, we in effect are elevating ourselves above God.
As a Jewish believer who has walked with the Lord most of my life, I have seen that it is far better to humble one’s self in the approach of reading God‘s Word.
For decades critics of the Bibles accuracy said there was no such thing as the Hittite empire, until 1906 when in Boghaz Koi Turkey a farmer stumbled upon a jar containing a suzerain vessel treaty.
I hope that my two cents worth won’t be erased from this page. Dispensationalism is absolutely biblical, and it did not start with Darby.
I am secular. But the world make MUCH more sense through a religious lens.
Then repent from your secularism and believe upon The Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.
@@ParrotAndStick I would go with Jewish god probably lol
Wish I could give the closing statement 5 stars. Thank you for contributing to my Christian journey.
Could I mirror this video on my channel?
A Victorious Church Certainly!
this is REALLY good stuff!
+chocolatethundercat Thank you!
What do you think about this @Bruce th-cam.com/video/pQ7PvxFpoBw/w-d-xo.html
Thank you
A free Presbyterian minister said it was heresy. I would agree.
So the series of books called ‘Left Behind’ is a dispensational viewpoint?
Yes.
I've watched several of your videos now and I'm a huge fan of history. I went through the Presbyterian church on my way home and I would just like to leave you with this thought from the blessed Cardinal Newman.... To be deeply into history is to cease to be protestant.
That's good! It reminds me of comment made to me once. "What do you call a Catholic who has read straight through the Bible?"...a Protestant. (from a former Catholic friend of mine). All the best my friend.
Despite growing up in a Pentecostal church and believing in the idea of premillennial, rapture, pre-trib rapture, great tribulation, "Left Behind", all of it... I never actually heard about the "prophetic clock" being stopped until recently. It didn't make any sense. I just assumed that the 7-year tribulation, rapture, etc, were all clearly laid out in the book of Revelation. Actually reading what is stated told me that there's no real basis for much of the logic, even if you still subscribe to Revelation being futurist.
There's nothing at all to suggest there's ANY "breaks" in the 70 weeks of Daniel. It doesn't make any sense. Yes, the explanation of what comes after is slightly confusing, but nothing here suggests a 2000+ year break at all.
The break, or "parenthesis" is actually taught in Daniel 9:26-27. The angel's prophecy is broken up itself into 3 parts, not given as 1 part. By the end of the first part, 49 years, the temple will be rebuilt, and it was. Then AFTER the end of the second part, 483 years, Messiah will be cut off, or crucified. That is important because to take it literally, Jesus' death happened after the second part, but before the third part, 1 week, 7 years. The "he" in verse 27 refers to the prince who is to come. The New Testament teaches about this one to come, the Antichrist, as one who has not yet arrived even in our day. To believe that the glorious kingdom, where there is perfect peace and everyone is provided for, is already here, now that's hard to believe. Jesus spoke of the great Tribulation to come 500 years after Daniel.
I get a real kick out of people who are against dispensationalism when the word dispensation is found in the scriptures. Rightly dividing the word of God is important to know who it is taking to and who it applies to. Here is just one example David in the psalms prayed for the Lord to not take his Holy Spirit from him. Nobody that has been born again should ever pray that prayer because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Now I am not saying not to ask for the fullness of the Holy Spirit but simply that we are his and he will never leave us or forsake us because when he purchases us with his own blood that is when the Holy spirit takes residence in the believer. No one in the Old Testament was born again. This also isn’t to say that everyone who believes in dispensationalism is always rightly dividing the word of truth. The Kingdom of heaven is not the same as the Kingdom of God. One is physical and one is spiritual. The bible says the kingdom of God dwelleth in you. It’s not Christs Physical Kingdom that dwells in us but his spiritual kingdom through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We are not baptized unto John’s baptism. Our baptism is not to make our way strait because the kingdom of heaven is at hand. You read in the book of Mathew if thy right hand offends thee cut it off or if thy right eye offends thee pluck it out it is better to have one hand than two to be cast into hell fire. Now if you think this applies to you then tell me where are all the one-eyed Christians or one-handed ones? don’t spiritualize this brother he is talking about swift judgment when he sets up his earthly kingdom. Need more proof? If thou say unto thy brother Raca thou shall be in danger of the council. WHAT COUNCIL? DONT, YOU DARE SPIRITUALISE THIS TO FIT YOUR OWN NARATIVE! But if thou say to thy brother thou fool, thou shall be in danger of hell fire. Swift judgement carried out by the Lord Jesus when he set up rulers and councils to carry out his judgments when he sits on his throne in Jerusalem. This may apply to us in principal but when it is that specific it doesn’t apply to us doctrinally at all. It is talking about a different time period a different dispensation. If you find it in the bible it didn't start with any man.
Thank you for your thoughtful review. As a former dispensationalist myself, I understand and have some sympathy for the arguments you make here. I used to make them myself! You might be interested in an excellent and even handed assessment of the history of dispensationalism available from Amazon at the link below. Whether you agree with the author's conclusions or night, I guarantee you will find it informative. Thanks again.
www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Dispensationalism-Evangelical-Battle/dp/0802879225/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1K693AQ0EIBZZ&keywords=the+rise+and+fall+of+dispensationalism&qid=1698842932&sprefix=the+rise+and+fall+of+dispensationalsi%2Caps%2C297&sr=8-1
We have such a great wealth of knowledge these days from the Dead Sea Scrolls... I wonder if they would have made a difference in the thinking of Darby...
I think I understand your criticisms more after watching this video. I didn't grow up with Darby, Scofield, and Moody and I didn't really ever know the details of my dispensational heritage. The dispensationalism I was taught and read about seems a lot more toned down. I totally agree with your closing warnings whole heartedly. I still think it's more consistent, but I do appreciate your stance more now.
Could one infer that the implementation of Dispensationalism in America was accomplished through a campaign launched by Darby's Rangers?
Dispensationalism is what happens whe after hundreds of years common people gain access to the scripture free from the tyranny of the traditional church and they open up to the law and orophet and find hundreds of instances of Future promises for israel that don't fit the church.
Indeed! They’re the very heretics who have the audacity to constantly attack His One Holy and Apostolic Church in the name of anti-Christ Zionism. Overseas, we’re witnessing the fruit of counterfeit Israel exploiting Bible prophecy through corrupted the Scofield Reference Bible. Scary times.
Bruce, this was a VERY interesting talk! ;-)
There are 2 dispensations and 1 salvation
Hi Bruce,
You attributed Scofield's dispensational scheme to Darby...that is not Darby's system.
Also, you said in your previous vid that Darby heard Irving preach at a Powerscourt conference, what is the source of that informationplease?
rossjpurdy Thanks for your questions. On the first, Scofield modified Darby's system to some degree, but certainly relied heavily on Darby's commentary as he developed his dispensational understanding. Virtually every important dispensational thinker has been forced to introduce significant adjustments to allow for the changing geo-political situation of the times.
On the second, I suggest you look at David MacPherson, The Rapture Plot (Simpsonville, SC: Millennium III Pub, 1995).
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Scofield's scheme is virtually identical to Isaac Watt's scheme and yes I know Watt's is not a dispensationalist. The difference between Scofield and Darby is far more than a modification, Scofield's adoption of a dispensation of grace for the church age qualifies as a fundamental change from Darby.
Re: Macpherson, I don't consider a failed tabloid journalist and conspiracy jockey a legitimate go to for any historical facts. I don't understand how his fiction has captured the imaginations of so many who I would think would know better! If you have based ANYTHING on his materials, you ought to quickly edit it out or find a legit source for the info!
rossjpurdy Thanks for your thoughts!
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Re: Macpherson, I hope that did not come across as too bombastic. I don't know if there will be many who even care. Dispensationalists will dismiss him out of hand and anyone trying to use his material to convince dispensationalists are going to be dismissed too. He is not adding anything of value to the discussion nor to an evaluation of dispensationalism. Those who take the time to read several of his books are going to find them mostly repetitive and aimed at making dispensationalists look like some devious secret society plotting to deceive all of Christianity. He gives no one their due respect especially Darby.
Darby was brilliant enough to concoct his own theology without help. Darby was not interested in reforming the church like Irving, he was opposed to it and outright rejected it. Darby would have been repulsed by any charismania as well, and I think it incredible that he would borrow or incorporate anything from Irving or his ilk. A catching away was not unique to Irving and MacDonald's rapture was a partial midtrib affair nothing like Darby.
As far as Darby's influence upon American dispensationalism is concerned, no doubt it was great. But American Dispensationalism crossed many denominational lines and was being admixed with a variety of other influences. So much so was that true that Darby became frustrated with the Americans, particularly Moody. Point being no one slavishly followed Darby and no one slavishly followed Scofield. The Scofield Bible is greatly beloved but it is not a doctrinal statement or some kind of "common prayer book" for evangelicals as some critics try to make it out to be. Case in point are Mid-Acts dispensationalists today who would disagree with a lot of Scofield's material, yet there are many who love their Scofield Bible. I know some who can't function without it because they have it so visually referenced in their minds when looking up Scriptures! I would go as far as to say that while the Scofield Bible is an important part of dispensational heritage, it is not so important anymore to modern dispensational theology. One would not know that by Dispensationalism's critics though, it seems most of them see fit to quote and attack Scofield in order to defeat dispensationalism! It is unusual if they quote someone who has not been dead for 60 years, except for Ryrie on occasion. In any case, there are virtually no in depth competent critiques of dispensationalism that I can find (and forget about any dealing with Mid-Acts or Acts 28 flavors).
Again, it was refreshing to come upon your presentation and find it fair and balanced. But avoid MacPherson like the plague though.
rossjpurdy I'm somewhat surprised at your statement about 'virtually no in depth competent critiques of dispensationalism...' Are you dismissing House Divided (Bahnsen and Gentry), Last Days Madness (Demar), Before Jerusalem Fell (Gentry), Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth (Gerstner), just to name a few?
I wanna add a PS … if as you claim..” Paul didn’t mean what he said in 2Tim2:15 then mother did Christ.. bc Paul received his REVELATION fm no other then The Lord Jesus Christ… Himself…Gal.1:11,12
I close my eyes and it's like I'm hearing the Bible by Bob Barker.
Important message from 40 minutes onwards, Christ is King....
Let God be true and every preacher,presenter,tradition ,man's opinion be a liar.
Whats so scripture is the standard.
Period .
Its only midacts right division Pauline dispensational view of bible study that fulfills this standard .
😢😢😢😢 The Church is gone wow
I sincerely appreciate your explanation on Dispensationalism. I have just one concern. I may not subscribe to Dispensationalism but I am perturbed by the attempt to scandalize a dispensationalism preacher simply because one does not agree with their theological positions. No preacher is perfect. Even Paul himself had a difficult past but God used Him as a an apostle and Christian missionary.
Dispensationalism literally endorses lawlessness and zero obedience. That's dangerous. They also put their twisted version of Paul's words above Jesus Christ himself. It's one of the most dangerous teachings out there.
It really saddens and angers me to know just how much junk I was taught by the church I attended when I first got saved. When you don't know anything, you'll swallow everything. So, thank you, Mr. Gore, for these lessons.
So far, I've found pre-trib/dispensation to be altogether depressing, discouraging, and confusing.
No thanks!
The danger of pre-trib/dispensationalism is that it doesn't stay in its own place, but bleeds/seeps into and distorts the whole teachings of pastors who believe in it.
It acts like a parasite to the other books of the NT, leaching any soundness and spiritual profitably from them for its own use, and creates biblically immature and sensationalist Christians.
Therefore, because of the character of this eschatology I cannot trust the teachings of those who hold this warped and unrealistic view.
Thanks for the encouragement and the powerful critique. It's probably safe to say that every Christian teacher is a mix of truth and error. I've come a long way since I was 25 (now 75) and hopefully the growth has added some truth and eliminated some error. We must always keep pressing toward better understanding, however. The truth we pursue should always take precedence over the truth we possess!
What could possibly take..." precedence...." over...." I am the way...the truth....& the.....life....." Jn.14:6 ya suppose to be..." adding to ya Faith...." not dumping it for something else....or for some..." higher...." truth....!! i d like to hear ya version of the Gospel of Christ....& what it takes to be....saved...bc that alone is the credentials needed for teaching God,s word...Gal.1:1-12 ; 1Pet 1:23-25.....Acts 17:11 all ya seminary sheepskin....are no substitute for the teachings of the Holy Spirit of...God...Jn 14:26 ;15:26 ;16:13 oh & by the way you can do all this in....ENGLISH....if that's ya native tongue....imagine that....!!!!!! Acts 2:6-8 has never been rescinded by God....." Faith...STILL ...comes by hearing....& hearing by the word of God..." Rom 10:17.... ya see... for far toooo often...& for far tooooo long we,'ve equated what comes outta seminaries...as the word of God....& nothing could be further fm the....truth....especially if supported by all those so called..." modern..." bibles...that all DENY....w/ o exception...1.The Deity of Christ 2.The Virgin Birth of Christ 3.The Blood Atonement of Christ 4 Acts 8:37 is completely gone....expunged....eliminated......erased....& eradicated...fm...1Jn.5:10-13...." this is the record that God gave of His...Son..."... When Acts 8:37 was stricken fm God,s word...they eliminanted A.Who Christ..." The Son of God...."...B.The requirement for Salvation....." I believe..."....C.Why the guy went home rejoicing...." he had just gotten...saved..." all stricken fm the record that God gave of His....Son...!!!!!NO....DOUBT....FOR...PURPOSES....OF...CLARITY...oh & in Lk.4:4 they eliminated the last half of the verse....."...BUT....BY.....EVERY....WORD....THAT....PROCEEDS....FROM....THE....MOUTH....OF....GOD...." ...Completely gone...and must how do ya suppose our churches got flooded w/all these Roman Catholic...." modern..." bibles...???? They were endorsed by our seminaries....ya know....those Greek geek guru wannabes....They don't teach ya this stuff in Sunday school ...??? Hmmmmmm mustang slipped what's left of their....minds....yet these same people...while destroying Rapture Theology...101...1Thess.4:13-18;1Cor.15:51,52.... continue to endorse Roman Catholic Corrupt" Modern..." bibles....& tell us Paul had no idea what he was thinking when he penned 2Tim.2:15.... while endorsing Amillenialism.....Preterism ..Allegorizing great portions of prophetic scriptures...& het can't tell the Gospel fm grapes in a cornfield...
The apostles said the last days began with the manifestation of Christ in the flesh. They never claimed or at least,in their writings, tried to deduce anything like Daniel 70weeks to complicate the lives if the church.
They knew that prior to christ's "prophecies" were of tremendous importance as they marked his Coming and Works. Now that Christ had come and he now lives in the believer by the Holy Ghost there is absolutely no need for an obsession with prophecies for since he was the Prophet and only through him the events come to pass and For him they come to pass why should his church who is joint heir with him be preoccupied with anything other than him for whom and by whom are all things?
Love and honour christ and I can guarantee you not one prophecy would take the church by surprise. If they are ignorant of the scriptures he would speak to them in visions, dreams,towns and spoken word. Relationship with Christ puts us in correct relation with everything else whether they be tongues,prophecies, doctrines,knowledge, tribulations,death,hell,heaven....."all things are yours(ours)"-the church. There is absolutely no need to go off on any overzealous tangent. But so few get that. Our only recourse is "let no man deceive you" and "be not be troubled in mind or in spirit by false teachers.
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I was a dispensationalist for roughly 3 years recently got out of the lie
Good talk. From what i understand Lyndsay was influenced by Thieme. A few family members here in Aust are deep into his/son/followers teachings. What a mess.
For ye are saved by grace through faith in Jesus.. graciously God receives whosever believes, but of those only they whom continue on will be transformed into Sons connected by faith perfected by obedience to the faith.
What faith "Good works"? those only they whom continue on will be transformed into Sons? Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have You ever read the book of Ephesians?
Ephesians 1:12 that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. (SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT UNTIL >>>>Ephesians 4:30)
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (SHOULD, not must or have to)
2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 if we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
The moment we believed we died with him, but not all of us suffer for him, and for those of us who don't (deny him), He will deny our reward, but He cannot deny our salvation, because when we believed the first time we were irrevocable sealed into the Body of Christ! HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF! I love Paul's statement in Romans 8
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
God bless You!
@@rlrett1Romans 3:22 , righteousness of God is by faith in Jesus Christ , to all them who believe , 3: 24 we are justified by grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
3: 28 We hold that a man is justified by faith without works of Law.
Romans 6: 1 What then should we continue in sin because Grace abounds? Not by any means. We who have died to sin, how can we continue to live in sin?
6: 11, So you must consider yourself dead to sin and alive to God in Jeus Christ, 6: 12 let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body that you should obey its carnal desires.
6 : 16 For whom you obey you are a slave to. Either sin which leads to death or OBEDIENCE that leads to righteousness. 6: 17 but thanks to God , you who were once enslaved to sin have become OBEDIENT from the heart to the teaching committed to you.
Romans 1:5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring the Gentiles to the OBEDIENCE OF THE FAITH for his names sake 1:6 including you whom are called to Jesus Christ.
Romans 2 : 6 He will render to each one according to his WORKS,
2: 7 to those who by patience in well doing ( obedience) seek for glory ( the rapture at the end of this age and the new heaven and earth) he will give eternal life. 2: 8 but for those who are self seeking , and DO NOT OBEY the truth but OBEY unrighteousness there will be wrath and fury. (Then on the last day Hell fire.)
Romans 6 :1 what then are we to continue sinning that grace abounds? Not at all.
6:16 Do you not know you are a slave ( the property of ) whom you obey. If you obey sin , death , but OBEDIENCE (of faith in Jesus) leads to righteousness..6:17 but thanks be to God , for you were once the slave ( property of sin) have become OBEDIENT from the heart to the gospel committed to you.
6: 19 ......for righteousness leads to sanctification 6 : 22 you are now set free from sin, ( no longer under sins power) you are Gods property and the fruit or evidence of this is sanctification ( holiness) that leads to eternal life.
I could go on and on.. but thats your responsibility to learn.
The fruit of salvation in a believer, that he is saved, is holiness.
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Pretrib doctrine has enabled the apostasy to accur because instead of the church rising up against the ungodly and fighting for the faith they hid inside church walls waiting for the evacuation that was promised to be any time now. 200 yrs ago to today.
guess youll be left behind then
Hi bruce, i dont understand the ending part where u said to know Jesus is king. All christains wld believe in that isnt it?
Do u mean dispensation dont believe in that? Thk u.
Traditional dispensational teaching asserts that Jesus offered himself to Israel as her king in the first century, and Israel rejected Jesus. Thus the kingdom did not come in at that time, but rather waits for the 'kingdom' age, the millennium, which is yet future. Classic Christian understand would affirm that Jesus is king right now, that the kingdom was inaugurated with the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus, and that he must reign until he has put all enemies under his feet, the last of which is death.
Bruce, so is dispensation so called "rightly dividing the word" incorrect teaching ?
I'm a infant Christian trying to understand , figure out all these. Many thks.
The word Paul used in 2 Timothy 2:15, which is translated into English as 'dividing' does not mean 'dividing' as dispensationalists suggests, namely, separating the Bible into various 'dispensations.' It means 'dividing' as in dissecting, looking deep within to determine the true character of the thing being studied, as a biologist might dissect an organism to determine its inner character.
How do we get eternal life? Trust what Christ did on the cross for your salvation by grace, not what Christ taught Israel under the law.
I’d like to hear what Mr. Gore believes what Paul means by “rightly dividing…” if not exactly what he says ?
The word is 'orthotomeo,' to rightly cut. It refers to cutting into something to understand it, as in dissecting or analyzing.
@@GoreBruce thanks for responding. so he means what he says: that there are different messages God has in different ages. which is why when you do you don’t end up with confusion such as we here in the age of Grace being tied to and a replacement for Israel when Paul tells us clearly that we all are saved the same way, by grace and grace alone. “times past” when Gentiles had no hope is clearly not what is happening now as Jews have no special access to God and we all approach God via accepting the cross work and resurrection of Jesus Christ. this age will end as the ones preceding: when God has determined that the intended audience is beyond redemption (Noah’s flood, Israel being set aside) this age will end with the Gentiles being found as reprobate rejects and the Lord coming to call out the believers, meet them in the air and save them from the wrath to come laid out in John’s Revelation. that’s just the book. what the dispensationalists get caught up is trying to fit God into their calendar instead of just going by what the book says…if you have a KJV that is.
@@paulray494 Of course not. A good recent historical review of Dispensationalism should be consulted for further information: www.eerdmans.com/Products/7922/the-rise-and-fall-of-dispensationalism.aspx.
@@GoreBruce yes, that provides a history of “the church” and the philosophical underpinnings of the religions that have sprung up out of those underpinnings with an eye toward replacing Israel (which plays right into Satan’s hands, I digress) but what of what the text actually says. but Paul speaks of believers as being at liberty, at being in essence beyond religion. the issue you have with rightly dividing seems to be around the “religious” elements of dispensationalism (such as misuse of historical events to create a “timeline” that in essence puts God on a clock based on erroneous man made claims that Jesus in his earthly incarnation presumed not to do) that lead to events such as the “Great Disappointment” instead of just reading what’s there and knowing the time will be up when we meet Christ in the air, that we are not appointed to God’s wrath that is coming once “what letheth” ( which is the brake that is the Body of Christ) is out of the way and the Revelation can be fulfilled just as God via Jesus through John said it will be. just as he bought the flood, just as he sent Israel into exile, just as he sacrificed himself on the cross he will finish his business with Israel, the nations, reprobate humankind and Satan as it says in the book…literally.
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Sad to see how the world allowed complete failures to become great when history gets retold these men are abusing the word of God
Rev.22:18,19 is a warning to anyone who wants to play fast and loose with this prophecy. I hold in complete disdain J. N. Darby, C.I.Scofield, and anyone else past ,present and future who teaches this misrepresentation of prophecy in regard to the latter days. Heed the warning .
@@davidwoods6015 i agree that Darby is full of garbage, but I don't know that I'd draw as extreme a conclusion as you do. Misunderstanding biblical prophecy is the norm. The fact that Revelation in particular is such a difficult book to comprehend is why the Eastern Orthodox hesitate to even teach out of it to the masses in their services. It's really easy to misonterpret and not quite "get it." Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me like this warning is more applicable to those who deliberately try to twist Scripture from what they know is true in order to manipulate and deceive people, not referring to honest misonterpretationor ignorance.
We, ve been in the ..” end times..” since the 1st century….
These twelve Jesus commissions, charging them, saying, “Into a road of the nations you may not pass forth, and into a city of the Samaritans you may not be entering. Yet be going rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” -Matthew 10:5-7
First heard the idea of dispensationalism from a the tapes of William Branham. His idea seemed a little different but definitely similar.
TheCynicogue Did you notice the pyramid on William Branhams grave?
William Branham is bad news from beginning to end.
@@honeycomb9273 never been
Why a third temple to initiate animal sacrifice when we have Christ who became the ultimate sacrifice to save his people?
Precisely.
As a memorial of Jesus death in the past, the picture looked at again. The Millennium will be the last time that God will use to show the sinfulness of the human heart, even in a perfect environment, with perfect justice and all needs met. See Revelation 20:7-10. This is just prior to the Great White Throne judgment. How can you deny the Millennial Kingdom but purport to believe in the final judgment?
@@DennisSchilling-vs2uc You are right. This is a horrible teaching here not referring to scripture that refutes this. He makes this sound like it was all Darby's idea. It was NOT an idea, it is the truth. There is so much left out here
Just received some great teaching and reference to a very scholarly book by William C. Watson, entitled, "Dispensationalism Before Darby". It documents premillennial and pretribulation thought and teaching in the church in the 15, 16 and 1700's. Roman catholicism and the Roman government squelched the teaching of a coming kingdom on earth by threat of imprisonment or worse. God, through the reformation, reclaimed a biblical soteriology, but sadly the new denominations retained Roman Catholic eschatology. Praise Jesus that true biblical eschatology has been revived in these last days, fulfilling Daniel 12:9-10!
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You are incorrect. Irenaus did
"Both these interpretations fuppofe the Rapture of the Saints into the clouds to be for their prefent translation into Heaven." -Mr. Mede 1627
Bravo.
Hello Bruce, I would appreciate hearing the Presbyterian view of the mark of the beast, and the second coming of Christ. I like the parable of the ten virgins, it teaches us to be ready for the return of Jesus. What are the key differences of a dispensational view versus a Presbyterian view? Thank you for your videos. I have enjoyed and appreciate all the ones I have heard very much.
+Bevaleigh As far as I know, there is no distinct "Presbyterian" view of these questions. The Reformed Tradition, in which the Presbyterian church is found, embraces a variety of perspectives.
My own view is that the 'mark of the beast' (666) is the numeric value of the name of Nero, and that the book of Revelation generally describes events of the first century. (See Ken Gentry, The Beast of Revelation, ICE, 1989).
Dispensationalism is distinguished primarily by insistence that God has two separate redemptive programs in history, one for the church and one for Israel, and that the two are not to be confused. The traditional view (and my view) is that the true Israel in the Old Testament and the true Israel in the New Testament are one and the same family of faith (Rom. 9:6). Thus the Christian church can properly be called true Israel, the seed of Abraham by faith, and heirs of the promises made to Abraham and his seed (Gal. 3, Eph. 2).
The New Testament certainly warns that Christ can return at any time, and we should be vigilant and watchful. That also appears to be the main thrust of the parable of the virgins.
Thanks!