It is an error to say non-dispensationalists believe in "replacement theology". Reformed people believe in EXPANSION theology, not "replacement theology": the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) where Gentiles were added to the Jewish people saved by grace through faith (Gen. 15) to expand the Israel of God. The true Israel of God is Christ Himself--if you are in Him or part of His body, you are a true Israelite. There are not 2 separate plans of salvation; 1 for the ethnic Jew and 1 for the Gentile. The Son of God stated the flesh profits nothing. Classical Dispensationalism says if you are an ethnic Jew in the end times, the flesh profits a great deal. The ONLY way to be reconciled to God is through the crucified Christ. No other way. No separate plan of salvation as certain famous dispensational teachers have claimed. One very famous dispensationalist stated in a book, "The Jews don't need to be evangelized, they are already in covenant with God...". That is pure heresy.
I was in fellowship with the Plymouth Brethren for many years. Dispensationalists believe that Reformed people are anti-Semitic. One thing I could not get over was that Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Leon Trotsky, Henry Morgentaler, and Bugsy Siegel were Jewish. There was no way I was going to believe that they were right with God because they were Jewish.
I agree. When I was president of the funding branch for a rehab center in Israel for Russian Jews, I would have to hear replacement theology accusations, which I would confront the speaker about during breaks. Then I heard about big name Zionists saying faith in Christ was just for Gentiles, while the Jews had their own approach, while dispensationalists put off the necessity of Jews to be evangelized until some later date.
An outstanding discussion! I learned a lot. A couple influential names missing from the discussion were Clarence Larkin (1880-1924), whose 1918 book Dispensational Truth brought us the end-times charts still used today, and tractmaster Jack Chick, who spread premill dispensationalism through millions of comic book tracts (The Beast and The Last Generation were hugely influential in my becoming a dispie).
@@leadinged As long as they're in the kingdom! I still love Chick tracts and like your family I always include a handful in with the Halloween candy. Thanks for the comment!
The books by Larkin and Chafer caused me to question dispensational theology. Then I asked graduates of BIOLA and everyone of them told me they never understood what they were taught. I cannot imagine the early Christians listening to scripture being read that they could ever come up with dispensationalism. When I think about what Chafer wrote mentioning three classes of people: Jews, Christians and Jews. When I read Philippians 3 I see where Paul mentions they are the true circumcision. I am unable to find three people in that statement.
I attended Dispensational churches for most of my life before switching to a Reformed church recently. I've learned more about Dispensationalism in the last few months than I did all those years. Dispensationalists may say that God is the same all the time, and that God saves by grace through faith in both the Old and New Testaments, and today, but when they preach, it doesn't come across that way. I came to Reformed Theology because it cleared up the discontinuity implied by Dispensational preachers I listened to for years and years. Reformed Theology is more in line with my understandings of Scripture than Dispensationalism. As far as eschatology, all I know is that Jesus is coming back some day. In the meantime, we are to make disciples, and baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
One simple way to find out if your church pastors are of the Dispensational camp of theology is to ask them is Matt 24 eschatology written to the Jews and tribulation saints and not the church of born again believers? If they say yes or for the most part, then they are eschatological dispensationalist. That I believe can be dangerous because they believe in the any moment doctrine of Christ return and no prophetic signs that proceed it. It can be even more dangerous if they don't do Bible prophecy updates as related to current events which means their church can be totally caught off guard by the evil plans of Satan's one world system advancing across the earth in the form of the fulfillment of (Daniel 9:26-27 and it's different interpretations) and the seals of Rev 6. If all their eschatological eggs are in the Dispensational camp and it's the wrong theology as I believe, then that is very dangerous and misleading to their congratulations!!! This happened at my church because the current pandemic of the last 2.5 years has caused fear, confusion and deception to cause many pastors, church staff and members to accept the vaccines which the Bible calls a (sorcery) in Rev 18:23-24 which means pharmacies, drugs and poison. Who would have guessed this would be the first seal of Rev 6? Brothers and sisters in Christ get out your concordances and review with a open mind what the word (bow) and (crown) mean in the Greek dictionary in Rev 18:23 and stop relying on commentaries from Dispensational theology. Yes, if we are in the first seal already and I think we sure could be then Daniel 9:26-27 the string firm covenant with the many has already been fulfilled back in May of 2021 by the prince of the people that destroyed the temple and the city (in 70 AD) AKA pope Francis by giving His full support to the (United Nations= the many) of the great reset agenda 30 climate change deception. It was the U.N's agreement that Pope Francis made stronger and firm. Research pope Francis book entitled (Laudato Si) on climate change. Also another critical book to read is entitled (The Real Anthony Fauci) by Robert F Kennedy Jr. It will fully expose the evil behind the gain of function research of the virus and development of the vaccines that Bill Gates, Fauci, the WHO and the vaccine companies and the great reset of the World Economic Forum for massive population reduction by vaccines, food shortages, hyperinflation and wars increasing across the globe. In my humble opinion all the peaces fit this current event prophetically well. Study and consider this yourselves??? ✝ ✝ ✝
Ummm the rapture is clearly a biblical doctrine. Enoch and Elijah were both raptured. Jesus and Paul both spoke about and taught it. Harpadso is the Greek word Paul used for believers still alive being “caught up,” and is where the term comes from.
Darby and Scofield has led to murder and war. Just see how their disciples have “blessed” the Middle East. Instead of preaching the Gospel to middle easterners and giving them Bibles, they sent them bombs, politics, colonization, and continuous warfare. Genesis 12:3 / Galatians 3 says the blessing of all families is The Creator of the Universe, not an apostate/sodomite/blasphemous nation.
Nobody comes to the father but through Christ. Do Jews accept Christ as savior? No. Is God a respecter of persons. No. Pretty simple. The Jews will not be saved just because of their DNA
Thank you. I'm not reformed but I enjoyed your discussion, both on and off topic. One thing I would have liked is that you would go further back than Darby and Scofield. Lots of (or all?) dispensationalists actually disagree that dispensationalism 'began' in in the late 1800's and they would rather trace dispensationalism back to certain individuals who wrote and taught already in the centuries following Christs crucifixion. I think it is always the most honourable thing to take your opponents claims seriously and examine them to the fullest extend, because if you just begin at Darby and Scofield, you will lose many a dispensationalist listener because you will already have proven yourself to not take their own claims seriously. Thanks again.
The catch is that - correct me if I'm wrong - Darby did not get his doctrines from those earlier people. Yes, There are traces of dispensationalism in church history, but they are few and very very far between. And unless I've got my Church history wrong, Darby didn't know these people.
Does anyone remember the old Left Behind movie, probably made in the 70s. It had that song playing in it. The movie scared the heck out of me. "There's no time to change your mind, the Son has come and you've been left behind." Probably the scariest movie I've ever watched.
The movie was A Thief in the Night, 1972. I CANNOT overstate how destructive it was on someone my age, born 1970. It was not a shinning moment for Christianity , IMHO. God be praised, I was awakened to post-mil two years ago. LOL sounds like I ought to get a sobriety chip...
The old testament promises "land" because it is necessary to form a kingdom. In the new testament, Jesus declares the "Kingdom of God" is at hand. I don't understand how he can says there is no "land" motif in the New Testament. Very disappointed in the lack of social/political implications brought upon US and other nations that openly embraced this severe doctrinal error called dispensationalism.
Endtimes delusion by steve wohlberg The 70 weeks of Daniel and the jesuit lie of futurism by uncontrolled oppersition Romanism and the reformation from the standpoint of prophecy by H.GRATTON.GUINNESS Vatican secret society's jesuits and the new world order by KJVIDEOMINSTRIES Juggler66 Darkness is falling youtube and newtube Rulers of evil by tupper saussy
I haven’t understood this argument, does that mean prior to dispensationalism all the social/political issues were due to covenant theology? If not, why is dispensationalism at fault now? There were no other major factors at work? It looks like convenient blame shifting.
@@coloradodutch7480 There will always be social and political issues as Jesus said "there will always be poor" due to the sinful nature of man. It just a matter of which one will corrupt a person or church, or society faster. Have you looked into the history of Dispensationalism and how it evolved since it was conceived by John Nelson Darby? The fact that it changed so much should be a warning. Dispensationalism is not new. It's just a mix of ancient heresies Marcionism, Montanism, Ebionism, etc. When it was first proposed, many orthodox pastors and theologians called it a heresy. It changed quite a bit to be questionable now.
@@coloradodutch7480 How can you ask such an infantile woke question as a Christian? It's always matter of degrees of corruption instead of corruption or no corruption. Your binary view and question is disturbing. You need to grow up.
Thank you Reformed forum and guest for the reasonable discussion and balanced treatment of the history of dispensationalism. I am some kind of dispensationalist and I was expecting this to be the usual hatchet job but you did very well. We need more content like this on these crtique videos of other theological systems.
I believe that dispensationalism has corrupted many a poor soul into this false system of theology. It adds confusion and does not glorify God in any way shape or form. We all need to read And believe God's word. dispensationalism is of men, it could never be found in The Bible without many twist and turns added to it.
A few years back i came across dispensationalism. Had never heard of it. I was very careful with it but even then it began to affect my faith. I totally backed away and came to the conclusion that, as these gentlemen stated in their own way, they are very good at manipulating Scripture. I have also found that for the most part Dispensationalists are very self-righteous and smart-alecky.
One simple way to find out if your church pastors are of the Dispensational camp of theology is to ask them is Matt 24 eschatology written to the Jews and tribulation saints and not the church of born again believers? If they say yes or for the most part, then they are eschatological dispensationalist. That I believe can be dangerous because they believe in the any moment doctrine of Christ return and no prophetic signs that proceed it. It can be even more dangerous if they don't do Bible prophecy updates as related to current events which means their church can be totally caught off guard by the evil plans of Satan's one world system advancing across the earth in the form of the fulfillment of (Daniel 9:26-27 and it's different interpretations) and the seals of Rev 6. If all their eschatological eggs are in the Dispensational camp and it's the wrong theology as I believe, then that is very dangerous and misleading to their congratulations!!! This happened at my church because the current pandemic of the last 2.5 years has caused fear, confusion and deception to cause many pastors, church staff and members to accept the vaccines which the Bible calls a (sorcery) in Rev 18:23-24 which means pharmacies, drugs and poison. Who would have guessed this would be the first seal of Rev 6? Brothers and sisters in Christ get out your concordances and review with a open mind what the word (bow) and (crown) mean in the Greek dictionary in Rev 18:23 and stop relying on commentaries from Dispensational theology. Yes, if we are in the first seal already and I think we sure could be then Daniel 9:26-27 the string firm covenant with the many has already been fulfilled back in May of 2021 by the prince of the people that destroyed the temple and the city (in 70 AD) AKA pope Francis by giving His full support to the (United Nations= the many) of the great reset agenda 30 climate change deception. It was the U.N's agreement that Pope Francis made stronger and firm. Research pope Francis book entitled (Laudato Si) on climate change. Also another critical book to read is entitled (The Real Anthony Fauci) by Robert F Kennedy Jr. It will fully expose the evil behind the gain of function research of the virus and development of the vaccines that Bill Gates, Fauci, the WHO and the vaccine companies and the great reset of the World Economic Forum for massive population reduction by vaccines, food shortages, hyperinflation and wars increasing across the globe. In my humble opinion all the peaces fit this current event prophetically well. Study and consider this yourselves??? ✝ ✝ ✝
I'm a dispensationalist before but now I'm an amillenialist. As I understand about dispensationalism teaching, it has a lot of ideas that has no basis on the scriptures, and when they use scriptures verses, it usually out of context. And has gone too far from the truth.
There are still PCUSA churches in Mercer and Hunterdon County New Jersey who have dispensationalist leanings from Lambertville, NJ and Delaware Water Gap. What he is saying is still true in Rural America in the North East. I am glad he said this. True about 10 th Presbyterian and the elders who to this day have some old ties with previously pre-millenial Bible Departments @ Cairn University (Phila College of the Bible).
So, for quite some time I have made myself a student of all things relating to eschatology. Growing up SB in Texas, I learned about the rapture, 7 year trib., and everything that follows after. I was really challenged by the class I sat in on with Dr. Morey. I read his book through and it created a lot of confusion for me, so I tabled the concept for short time. Later, I picked it back up as I started off on my biased quest to prove what I believed, or was taught growing up to be true. As biased as I was, I proved myself wrong. I would read articles, and go to scripture over and over again. I would watch youtube videos and again go back to scripture. The more I tried to make an argument for a rapture, the more questions I created. The more I considered the fact that Revelation was apocalyptic language, more questions were answered. My first "aha" moment I was blessed with was the fact that dispensationalist have to make apocalyptic language literal and take literal terms such as "this generation" and make it apocalyptic. After that, I used scripture outside of Revelation to interpret Revelation, Daniel 9 for example. 70 weeks were decreed, and by all accounts, the timeline marched out just as was prophesized. BTW, this is the part where I start getting really geeky... However, one John Nelson Darby took it upon himself to put a pin into the 69th week and created a prophetic pause button and inserted 2000 years, known as the "gap theory". We will come back to that part later but something else about Daniel stuck in my craw as well. Why was Daniel told to seal up what was revealed to him, yet John was told not too, while on the island of Patmos, because the time was NEAR? Staying with John now, and this part is not my own observation, but what is striking is that if Revelation was written in 95 AD, which is required for dispensationalism to hold water, why did John never mention the destruction of the temple in 70AD? Nary a word. A big goose egg. That would be a kin to writing about WWII and leaving out the holocaust. From that observation though, I now believe it is because he wrote Revelation before 70AD, which would lend itself to him being told "not to seal it up" and '"the time was near." Likewise, this frames the Olivet Discourse as was intended by Jesus. After the disciples asked Him when these things would come to pass, he gives His answer in Matt. 24:14: "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then the end shall come" (KJV). So the next logical question would be is when was the gospel preached to all nations? Paul told us in Col. 1: 23: "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope, of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister." Another thing I discovered is that dispensationalists really have trouble squaring with is Hebrews especially the 9:26: "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end he hath appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." This points directly back to the Olivet Discourse and defining exactly what generation Christ was talking about - the one he was speaking to and not 2000 years later. But let us pause and welcome Mr. Darby back, because if I knew nothing about a pre-tribulation rapture and picked up a bible and read Matthew, I would conclude that the tribulation took place in the generation Jesus was speaking to. Point is, this is a made made scheme that has to be taught and learned. So I did some more digging because I wanted to know what exactly Darby said regarding this. I eventually found his synopsis of Matthew 24, and WOW.... He was either grossly deceived by something or some one, or hitting the crack pipe. He observed that: "The disciples confounded that which the Lord had said of the destruction of the temple with this period." "God hides His face from them until He shall see what their end will be, for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith." So in Darby's words, God wasn't sure how everything was going to play out because they are stubborn and pigheaded. So Darby decided that God was going to cut them a break by declaring: "The time of this ignorance God winked at, and another ground of judgment as to them is given in the beginning of Romans."
"if Revelation was written in 95 AD, which is required for dispensationalism to hold water, why did John never mention the destruction of the temple in 70AD? " Excellent point. John, a contemporary of Jesus, would have been about 95 years old in 95AD. A bit too old to sit in a dank cave and write Revelation , in my opinion.
So many unanswered questions,! Most of them generated by the biased and wrong, "replacement theology" . This is what you get when you ignore God's faithfulness to Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Aka. The Nation of Israel .
Glad to hear about this. When I first became converted I was exposed to dispensationalism. Now I longer hold those views. Fascinating how this view gained ground in America and still is popular
I would guess that the majority of people in reformed churches that hold to covenant theology were influenced by or even held to dispensational beliefs at some point. Dispensationalism runs deep in American evangelicalism.
Nicholas... as one who was taught it and steeped in it can you pls explain it in short layman's paragraphs and why is dispensation interwoven into pre trib rapture. Thank you
@@Christian-vq8rd a little leaven goes a long way. The assumption that they are even biblical Israel today is absurd. Those who deny the SON, dont have The Father. 1 John 2:22-23. The whole argument is a moot point. Reformed theology shouldnt even be discussing this pathetic nonsense. That religion still claiming Moses but worshipping thier talmudic sages and blaspheming Jesus by calling Him an "idol" is as valid as Islam or Buddhism in Gods eyes. But satan is crafty....
I guess what I mean as futurism… which was influential in concepts of rapture. Please read below “futurism as devised by a Jesuit, Francisco Ribera, during the Counter-Reformation. In the early 19th century, Manuel de Lacunza, also thought to have been a Jesuit, expanded on it”.
1:13:00 Good discussion here. Dispens can tend to be excessively focused on giving current day Israel carte blanche. We shouldn't be opposed to them, but we need to not view US or Israel as nations of God.
We SHOULDN’T be opposed? The Word tells us differently: EXPOSE EVIL: Ephesians 5:11 “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” King James Version (KJV)
Anybody who doesn’t understand Pauls dispensation Eph 3:1-10kjb might understand darbys mess from 200 yrs ago but not what the Lord gave Paul 2000 years ago. Look at the Acts 2 church which says was added to in Acts2. The Acts 2 church was already in tact then comes Paul and the Lord had him write this 1 Tim 1:15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Paul is the first member of the body of Christ and a pattern to him that believes hereafter. Go ahead and have your nonsense discussion i choose to follow my kjv not what satan and his man darby started.
Most Excellent gentlemen! Fortunately "Dispensationalism" is waning... not fast enough... but the dispensational biblical system of hermeneutics really is being dismissed these days. I graduated from Bethel Seminary (M.Div, 2014), and several of my theology professors were Dallas grads; to the man, and woman, they have all dismissed the system entirely. There is hope. I was heavily influenced by D and was teethed on the Scofield Ref Bible ( 1 and 2); as I progressed through Bible College, then Seminary, I too found D to be untenable biblically, theologically, and historically... the Bible can never mean what it never meant ! Thanks again for the talk... even learned a couple things! marcus
Funny, I went the other way. As I progressed through the Bible I found covenant theology to be untenable biblically, theologically, and historically... the Bible can never mean what it never meant !
@@coloradodutch7480, ridiculous. Augustinian Calvinism has been a biblical thing since, well, Augustin! It's what the Bible has always meant. Dispensationalism is the new kid on the block; heterodoxy, balderdash & poppycock. marcus
@@markh.harris9271and before Augustine the early church fathers were pre millennial. Believing in a literal thousand year reign of Christ was orthodox Christianity for the first few hundred years. End of the day it’s about the Bible not what church history taught.
@ZandJ12345 , I don't have so much problem with historical premillenialism; and I certainly can't fault the church fathers that early on at being mistaken. The worse sin is "wrongly" dividing the word of truth. My main problem with D is the hermeneutics, which destroys the meaning of the new covenant New Testament, denies most of Jesus' words in the synoptic gospels, and flatly denies ultimately the person and work of Christ. John Nelson Darby's idea are not just the mother-load of bad theological principles, his thoughts and teachings encoded in the C. I. Scofield reference Bible are straightup heterodoxy. marcus
Ya know it really bothers me when people who are so call theologians make fun and laugh at what people believe. Every covenant theologians I've heard belittle dispensatiolist. Which I believe you will never convert one person to covenant theology because of your immature approach to theology. Example you laugh at people who believe in a rapture and play them off as uneducated, silly women being led astray. Is this how you convert people. Belittle them, then laugh at them. Then because they don't believe as you. You cast them off as lost, unsaved, heretics, one guy even went so far as calling the blasphemers and will be in the lake of fire with the devil. Yet in all that I don't hear dispensationalist belittling covenant theology. They will say they don't agree but I've yet heard one actually say the other is silly uneducated or anything else.
These men couldn't have been more benign in their critique of Dispensationalism. You can be sure many would criticize them for being too mild. And then there's you...a false witness, a hostile child, and a stomping boor. Get a hold of yourself, look in the mirror...AND GROW UP.
Michael brings up a point around 26:00 that I have brought up several times with dispy's. And it is that because Israel rejected their Messiah, God had to go to "Plan B" until the fulness of gentiles has come in... That does not treat the sovereignty of God it's due justice.
Paul said in Romans 11:25-26 that Israel is mostly hardened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and in this way all Israel shall be saved. That shows a clear distinction that God makes between Israel and the mostly Gentile church.
It shows that the church is made up of both Jews and Gentiles and at the time of Paul it was switching more and more from being primarily Jewish to being more and more Gentile. It looks like Paul is convinced that it will swing back to being heavily Jewish before Christ returns.
No, two branches of the ONE true vine, one broken off and the other grafted in. Keep in mind that the Church was predominantly comprised of Jews for the first few decades of its history-not only Gentiles.
Dispensational Claim: Romans 11 proves National Israel will be saved in the future. I have heard both John MacArthur, and John Hagee make the following statement… “And then all Israel will be saved.” (Also found on page 349 of the book “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty” by the Jesuit, Manuel Lacunza “Ben Ezra”.) Both MacArthur, and Hagee, are selectively quoting from the verse below in an attempt to make Dispensational Theology work. Have they changed the meaning of the verse? Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. These men have changed the word “so”, which is an adverb of manner, into the word “then”, which is an adverb of timing. What is the “manner” of salvation in the passage? It is in the preceding verses found below. Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? In Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church, made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles, grafted together into the same tree. In the two verses above the unbelievers can be grafted back into the tree through faith in Christ. Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in the passage. Is the “covenant” in verse 27 a future covenant with the modern State of Israel, or is it the New Covenant fulfilled for all races of people by the blood of Christ at Calvary? In order to answer this question we need to know who is “Israel”, as defined by Paul, earlier in the same letter to the Romans. What did Paul say below about “Israel” in Romans chapter 9? Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (All Israelites are not a part of faithful Israel.) Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (Being a physical Israelite does not make a person a part of Israel of the promise.) Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (Only a “remnant” of Israelites shall be saved.) Based on the verses above from Romans 9 Paul was describing the “manner” of how Israelites would be saved in Romans 11:26, instead of the timing of their salvation. The verse below is also often used by Dispensationalists in an attempt to make their doctrine work. Dispensationalists often insist an Israelite can be an enemy of God, and the elect at the same time. Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Throughout Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites, one faithful, and one not faithful. Paul begins the chapter this way is Romans 11:1-5, by describing the Israelites who were Baal worshippers, in contrast to the faithful “remnant”, during the time of Elijah. Paul said there was also a faithful “remnant” during his time. Therefore, based on Romans 11:1-5, there are two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11:28. The Israelites who rejected Christ were the “they” who are the enemies of God, while the group of “they” who accepted Christ are the “election”. Paul ends the passage in the same way that he began the passage, with two different groups of Israelites.
@@SpotterVideo Any Christian who has studied thier Talmud knows that they arent even the biblical people or nation anyway. The entire discussion is a moot point. Still using Paul's arguments 2000 years after the nation and temple and priesthood was destroyed is pointless. They are just about as valid a religion in Gods eye as Islam or buddhism or Hinduism.
assuming that the talmudist/rabbincic, Leviteless cult that calls Jesus an "idol" and is still the biblical nation or even Pauls people, is false. Dont even give the devil an inch, please. Rev 2:9.
Replacement Theology is a disingneuous pejorative term made up by insincere dispensationists who cannot debate their own position and resort to name calling. The Church Israel distinction comes dangerously close to preaching a different Gospel gal. 1:6-9
@@rstora01This is because your theology isn't based on Scripture. How can "all Israel" be the church in Romans 11:26? Paul used Israel as national ethnic Israel 9 verses in a row starting in Romans 9:27. What contextual clue do you offer that Paul has switched to use Israel as the church in Romans 11:26? Paul says there was a "partial hardening" of Israel in Romans 11:25. Are you claiming this "partial hardening" was of the church? If not, what evidence do you have that Paul is suddenly referring to the church one verse later (11:26)? Absolute proof that "all Israel" is national ethnic Israel is found 2 verses later when Paul states they are "enemies of the gospel for your sake (11:28)? If you claim "all Israel" in Romans 11:26 is the church, how can they be "enemies of the gospel" 2 verses later? How can believers in the gospel be enemies of the gospel? Obviously, those who were enemies of the gospel were those of national ethnic Israel. Clearly Paul is referring to a national restoration of Israel at Christ's Parousia as evidenced by his citation of Isaiah 59:20. This is the same belief the apostles had in Acts 1:6; 3:19-21. The apostles believed and taught a future restoration of Israel, why don't you? Those who receive the doctrines of the apostles receive the very doctrines of Christ (Matt. 10:40). Are you then not proclaiming a different gospel?
What is amazing is some believe there will be an end of the church age. Well, it had a beginning, but it will not have an end. What ends is the Gentiles coming into the church. But the Bride is forever!
@1:02:06 "they're actually organically the development of the one and the same covenant. " Then was the Mosaic law covenant no more conditional than the Abrahamic? If the law was a move toward greater conditionality, then how is this seen as a linear progression of GRACE?
@@fteacadia The bad guy is always anybody who tolerates cussing, drinking, unwedded sexual intercourse, smoking, political correctness, or multi-racialism.
Endtimes delusion by steve wohlberg The 70 weeks of Daniel and the jesuit lie of futurism by uncontrolled oppersition. Romanism and the reformation from the standpoint of prophecy by H.GRATTON.GUINNESS Vatican secret society's jesuits and the new world order by KJVIDEOMINSTRIES Darkness is falling youtube and newtube. Juggler66 Inquisition update by Tom friess. Rulers of evil by tupper saussy.
@@trukeesey8715 -- Where in the Bible is smoking said to be a sin? (I don't use tobacco myself, so I am not looking for an excuse.) Also, what do you mean by 'multi-racialism'? There is only one race, the human race (Acts 17:26), and we are all just various shades of brown.
@@gregb6469 You certainly haven't devoted much time to sincere studying of the effects of sundry bloodlines in history, nor the Biblical laws about same. If you find a "bad guy" you can just about always find that he tolerates smoking. Not a true statement. Think of all of the "bad guys" whom you know about and count how many of them tolerate smoking and how many don't, then report back to me with the numbers. Listen to Prem Rawat!
I am of the opinion that PM-D is a dangerous theology for its impact on Christians & Christianity in general. While PM-D adherents have a commitment to a system, I believe at its root, it fosters an escapist, persecution avoidance, while Scripture in general calls us to walk the road of suffering. The idea that Tribulation comes in a 7 year time frame, after Christians are pulled out of the world, directly opposes John's seeming implication that he is a fellow partaker in THE tribulation (Rev1.9), and that we must enter the kingdom thru much tribulation (Acts14.22.) I believe this theology is partly responsible for the nominal Christianity that seems to plague the American version of the faith once delivered.
God's overall plan is saving and redeeming mankind - His whole creation actually, and not just a nation. The center of Scripture is not Israel but JESUS CHRIST. He is the True Israel! Anyone who is in Him is the True People of God! It is not through ethnicity but by faith in Jesus and that alone. Unfortunately, like many Jews in the 1st Century many Christians today seem to miss out the true nature of the Kingdom of God. (Lk. 17 :20-21) 😢🙏
Would it be correct in thinking that the dispensational thought of the literal Israel having to be supported like the Jews of the NT believing the Messiah was going to literally free Israel from Rome and they'd have their kingdom back?
Dispensationalism is a "discontinuity" when it comes to exegesis/hermeneutics. I understand that many Christians have acquiesced to what they were taught by men (and women) trained in Christian theology (pastors, professors, Sunday School and youth pastors). Yet, among many other reasons, the supreme one is that Jesus said, 2xs in the Gospels, and intimated at other times, that the Old Testament was about Himself (Luke24.25-27, 44; Jn.5.39). These explicit assertions from our Lord should not be mitigated and, at worse, ignored. Many other New Testament statements declared Jesus as the fulfillment of the Bible. He is the new Adam, new David, New Israel (true Vine), [the] Prophet, Priest and King; the Temple, the Son, etc....
If the kingdom is realized and no longer future, yet lacking in physical indicators satisfactory to Biblical prophetic fulfillment in any physical or visual fulfillment, then why should we be concerned about perceptions of sins any more than as bad dreams of our imagination? Sins are no longer real either. Everything is realized and in the past, the imagination of sins being no more than a spiritual reminder of what is no longer. A cause for rejoicing and not a call to repentance.
But why must the inheritance to Israel not include the land? If everything of God, then why not the scrubby piece of land also? Or is that too much? Are we thinking as God Who promised, or as theologians who have inherited a system which has a stake in denying the land promises? Do we also deny the millennial kingdom because we are perhaps just a little too asetic? Why did not the Lord originally use Abram's line to Sarah, " You have Me!" But God specified the land promises. And as far as I have noticed, the sun and moon continue and the tide continues as before. Unless the sun, moon, and tides will become figurative also. Then the land promises still hold.
I'm trying to learn what Dispensationist means. I was taking this all in but you lost me when you said Darby started it. He did not! He rejuvenated it. You guys know this, but clinging to saying this to try to make it look like an afterthought and man made. Harpadzo is in the original text, means divinely taken from one place and put in another.
Darby's writings of. dispensationalism came from the jusuits Francisco rebera a jusuit in the 16 th century wrote the unbiblical theory of futurism in order to counter the protestant reformation effort designed to shift the emphasis protestant historical eschatology away from the true anti Christ system of worship the papacy ( Paypal Rome) In the book of Daniel the anti Christ is not named but described as a religious political power They speak blasphemy blasphemy in the bible refers to someone who claims to be able to forgive sins that only God can do also blasphemy means someone who claims to be God or God's true representative on earth The Pope's claim this The Catholic Church claims to be able to forgive sins also in the book of Daniel it states that they do not marry So many Christians are completely ignorant of history and are deceived
I caught that too and its down right wrong for believers in Christ to be against one another. So much division in the Body of Christ. Its a waste of time, when we could be doing what we are suppose to be doing, preaching the gospel.
The thing I think about, is how many brides does Christ have? It's one vine we've been grafted in we received the same nourishment He's not going to have a bride and then the ugly could of would or should have. It's one body Israel seed of Abraham.
I have reviewed Calvinism and Covenant Theology for 40 years. I admit I began my walk with Christ as a literalist. I believed that according to Isaiah in the millennium (regardless of its beginning and length) that the government would be on Messiah’s shoulders and He would be seated on His father David’s throne. In Revelation, John reported that in the millennium the devil would be bound. If as I have read that amillennialism is a misnomer and we are in the millennium, could someone explain the evidence of what my eyes see and ears hear? The evidence is that amillennial is no misnomer; there isn’t one. But I don’t believe it.
25:45 is awesome “the Old Testament meaning something it didn’t mean until Israel rejected Christ”. If you read Darby’s personal synopsis of Matthew it borders heresy if not heresy itself.
One simple way to find out if your church pastors are of the Dispensational camp of theology is to ask them is Matt 24 eschatology written to the Jews and tribulation saints and not the church of born again believers? If they say yes or for the most part, then they are eschatological dispensationalist. That I believe can be dangerous because they believe in the any moment doctrine of Christ return and no prophetic signs that proceed it. It can be even more dangerous if they don't do Bible prophecy updates as related to current events which means their church can be totally caught off guard by the evil plans of Satan's one world system advancing across the earth in the form of the fulfillment of (Daniel 9:26-27 and it's different interpretations) and the seals of Rev 6. If all their eschatological eggs are in the Dispensational camp and it's the wrong theology as I believe, then that is very dangerous and misleading to their congratulations!!! This happened at my church because the current pandemic of the last 2.5 years has caused fear, confusion and deception to cause many pastors, church staff and members to accept the vaccines which the Bible calls a (sorcery) in Rev 18:23-24 which means pharmacies, drugs and poison. Who would have guessed this would be the first seal of Rev 6? Brothers and sisters in Christ get out your concordances and review with a open mind what the word (bow) and (crown) mean in the Greek dictionary in Rev 18:23 and stop relying on commentaries from Dispensational theology. Yes, if we are in the first seal already and I think we sure could be then Daniel 9:26-27 the string firm covenant with the many has already been fulfilled back in May of 2021 by the prince of the people that destroyed the temple and the city (in 70 AD) AKA pope Francis by giving His full support to the (United Nations= the many) of the great reset agenda 30 climate change deception. It was the U.N's agreement that Pope Francis made stronger and firm. Research pope Francis book entitled (Laudato Si) on climate change. Also another critical book to read is entitled (The Real Anthony Fauci) by Robert F Kennedy Jr. It will fully expose the evil behind the gain of function research of the virus and development of the vaccines that Bill Gates, Fauci, the WHO and the vaccine companies and the great reset of the World Economic Forum for massive population reduction by vaccines, food shortages, hyperinflation and wars increasing across the globe. In my humble opinion all the peaces fit this current event prophetically well. Study and consider this yourselves??? ✝ ✝ ✝
It doesn't make sense but things are starting to make sense to me. I've sat in church for many years feeling as though something was wrong. I'll pray and I'll read and I'll feel as low the Holy Spirit is telling me something. I'll then go to church I'll hear a sermon, it's much like hearing a politician speak. What they say lines up with what I feel I have read and the Holy Spirit has spoken to me. But what they mean is the exact opposite. Dispensationalists say they go for a literal interpretation of scripture. How can you take jesus's words in Matthew and say you're speaking literal yet say the church is going to be snatched out of here before the Antichrist is revealed? Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. bibliajfa.com.br/app/kjv_apocrypha/40N/24/29
@@biblehistoryscience3530 Dispensationalism is a false teaching. It is not found in Scripture. Even if they got it from someone else it doesn't change the fact that it did NOT come from Scripture! And they certainly did their parts to popularize the false doctrine.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 No books needed. Our savior plainly told us there is no such thing as dispensationalism. Matthew 5:17-18 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 I can give you 1. The BIBLE!!! DISPENSATIONALISM IS NOT IN IT. It is INSERTED into the text which is read OUT OF CONTEXT by Dispensational nitwits
The Ancient Antiochene Church taught dispensational theology. I document this fact. I have been teaching theology for many years now. Apostle Paul uses the Greek word for "dispensation" in his letter to the Ephesians.
Paul's use of the word has nothing to do with the Darbyist use of the word. That's like people in the US who justify the "welfare" state because the word exists in the constitution. A big killer for dispensationalist ideas for me was reading early church thinkers and then seeing the Jesuit roots of Dispensationalism. Would a key theology dreamed up by the SS or KGB be one you might just want to second guess? The Jesuits are not your friend.
“Safe and effective”? Sure. Why would I go to a doctor who encouraged and even shamed me to get the jab? Do you think he/she would have the humility, and reflective capacity to take me seriously? And worse yet, even want to treat me? Health care is now an industry driven one common denominator. Profits at all costs. Care and concern is a distant memory. In just a couple of generations we have gone from house-calls to 24hr. waits in hospital ERs. Doesn’t sound like progress to me.
A doctrine correctly understood from the Bible in 2024 is every bit as true, no matter how recently read and understood, as that doctrine understood twenty centuries ago. Same Bible. Same truth. Same Holy Spirit. In fact the truth must always be new and cutting to the soul of a person. And no truth should ever be considered any more respectable because an ancient council, ir a confession or a creed has featured that truth. A Biblical truth is only ever true because it is Biblical. That is all a truth needs. Ut should be given no more respect because it is in a creed or confession. I remember, recently saved, while reading John, my ears got hot as I realized that "Jesus is God"! I was not aware that anyone else also knew this to be true . But it did not matter whether I was the first and only. I knew this as truth, no matter even if this was heresy to everyone else. And so must all truth be. There is something wrong with you if truth is more true when the whole Church shouts it as truth. The Holy Spirit teaches a soul at a time.
Are pastors not to preach one thing and one thing only The Gospel, the saving grace of Christ. The telling souls of the need to be Born Again in order to redeemed
If people would just simply read the word of God, pray and seek his wisdom. They would see the truth. Put down your commentary and stop just taking what man says as gospel truth.
As to Zionism, I do not know that Israel is actually back in the land now, as far as God is concerned any more than the mistaken zeal of those carried to Babylon thought of rebellion and had to be quieted by the prophets. Or the premature zeal of Moses in murdering an Egyptian to think to free Israel .
Haven't listened yet. I looked up the definition on two separate occasions and still don't know what it means. Hopin to find it here within a few minutes.
Recomend for academics only. Sadly a confusing wandering discussion about the history of dispensationalism. Did not seem to address the history until 48" into the video. States dispensationalism began with Darby totally ignoring the insights of the early church fathers on dispensational issues. Treats dispensatinalists as if most dispensationalist hold to singular core belief system whereas you really need to ask an individual where he is on a dispensational continium.
It does not matter what your nationality is: You must put ALL your faith in JESUS CHRIST's shed blood and get BAPTIZED in the name of the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. PLUS be in COMMUNION with JESUS CHRIST then and only then will you go to HEAVEN after you die, otherwise you will go to spend eternity in hell. That is ALL you need to know ! ! ! WHY MAKE THE WHOLE THING SO DIFFICULT ???????????? . . . IT's NUTS ! ! !
I’m horrified by dispensationalism. I am horrified. It replaces our Perfect and Holy Savior, Creator of the Universe, and His Church, with an apostate nation. His Kingdom is not of this world and beautiful beyond belief. Man looks down instead onto the world, and glorifies that instead. Man gives the keys to apostates who then tell them what to do. Man endorses murder, theft, ungodlinesses, sin, and destruction.
I have been attending Precept Ministries Bible studies and realized, after studying Hebrews, Daniel, & now Revelation with them, that they adhere to dispensationalism. The studies are otherwise excellent. Can anyone recommend any Inductive-based Bible studies that are theologically reformed in nature?
Nope 🙅♂️, reform theology has failed miserably. In light of current events. & ( with so many different views) Replacement theology has been forced to deny 1Tessalonians 1:10 , .4: 13 --18. and ..5:9 , compared with 3:3.
Not if want a grammatical, literal, & historical hermeneutical approach because otherwise you come to pre millennial view with a dispensational flavor. Unfortunately covenant theology has too many holes to recommend it
Having grown up around DTS, I had to be dispensational. The last few years has made me much more humble about the rapture. Just can not find it in scripture as early as in the past. Still believe it, but think my belief is more held in tradition now instead exegesis. Quite humbling.
I don't see it in scripture either. I tend to lean more towards pre-wrath resurrection. That said I realize that I am capable of being deceived and wrong. And my search for all these things I constantly come back to one thing. Christ crucified! And it's not just saying a prayer it's living a life of repentance not to earn anything for salvation is by grace through faith not by works lest any man should boast. I have been redeemed in his eyes I am sanctified justified and glorified. But this flesh has not been redeemed yet. I have to battle it daily moment by moment he who walks In the spirit does not gratify the desires of the flesh. Paul tells us to crucify our flesh. As we are here on this earth being sanctified and transformed into the image of Christ we must seek to be obedient to his word through the power of the Holy Spirit. For me to believe in pre-trib, takes way too much mental gymnastics. How do I make what Jesus said into pre-trib? Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. bibliajfa.com.br/app/kjv_apocrypha/40N/24/29
within covenants Dispensations changed, not the covenant, but the people. Jews from nomads to a country, one country to two, faithful to unfaithful and more,
The Truth is very very simple, if revealed, it is Coventantial between the Old & New Testaments Where the Old Covenant is to Land Inheritance, given way to the New Covenant which is Inheritance unto God himself, orginally envisioned by God when he first cut the Covenant with Abraham, comes through the revelation of the Ark of the Covenant to the Prophecy of Jeremiah (also called as the Prophet of the New Covenant) in 2 Macabees 2 , 4 -8, (OT) & in the NT again by the words of the Christ "You know not the Father neither the Son but them unto whom the Son pleases to reveal" God changes not, Truth is not by dispensations for truth is not many, but one, True Israel gave birth to the Church following the Ark of the Covenant, likewise the true Church follow Israel & the Ark It was not the intention of God to contain his Holy Ark of the Covenant in a temple cut by hand unto his words " Heaven is my throne & earth my footstool" but for the sake of David allowed Solomon to build it, not surprisingly it never found rest in it, meant to dwell in the hearts of men (Ye are the temple of the living God) so became removed & the temple destroyed, The only reason for the 2nd temple was for the Messiah to enter it, finding it Corrupted used the whip to overturn the TABLES, the tables of the leavens of the Pharisees (Jew) & Herod (Gentiles), the leavens of the LAW/FAITH resp After which the temple was destroyed before which was filled with Zeus Now, intending to rebuild the 3rd temple only to be filled with man made hinduism (Egypt) & its 33 million gods, veiled in THEOSOPHY mingled with FREEMASONRY, the White house rather the White Horse of the Apoclapse, its political seat, reveals Zechariah 5, incidentally the two lamb like horns off the 2nd Beast of revelations, except that which restrains the rebuilding are the Muslims, rather Islam, till the restrainer be taken out of the way & the temple to be filled with the said Abominations, lead to the serpents Lie at Eden "Ye be as gods" (without God) Man as God to the Abomination of Desolation as spoken by Prophet Daniel, ushering in the Day of the Lord (Joel) These events are condensed in the prophecy of 2 Thessoionians 2 ,
Have you ever heard of Otis Sellers? Someone very dear to me reads him stuff only to help her interpret scripture and a lot of what he teaches is questioning to me.
The argument from Hebrews 12 appears powerful, but considering the original hearers would soon be shaken by the destruction of the Herodion temple and Roman persecution, there is historical, contextual potentiality that your dogmatism seems to dismiss.
Historicism was before and is of Christ. It's what all Protestant Churches used back then. Today they have been deceived by the Devil through the Papacy on 7 hills Rev 17:9, Vatican City.
@@richardbaranzini8805 does Seattle has a Church which killed 50 million Christians for 1260 years? Is there a Church who's head claim to be Christ substitute and profess to forgive sins?
Your discussion is pleasant to listen too but I do wish you could listen to some sections and imagine that you are "just" a Bible believing Christian without all the trappings of denominational persons , contact, and jargon. You used so many initials and somewhat specialty words absolutely foreign to this "just" a Christian fellow. I can not believe the New Testament Christians in the first century would have had a clue about much of your discussion.
Word search The Gospels 65k words compared Pauline Epistles 37k words God 316 God 567 Jesus 625 Jesus 221 Christ 60 Christ 395 Kingdom 127 Kingdom 14 Law 41 Law 135 Gospel 15 Gospel 74 Spirit 66 Spirit 130 Believe 140 Believe 61 Faith 29 Faith 139 Grace 5 Grace 91 Church 3 Church 42 Baptism/ baptize 70 Baptism/ baptize 16 Gentiles 17 Gentiles 50 Body 39 Body 84 Trust 4 Trust 19 Mystery 3 Mystery 20 Dispensation 0 Dispensation 4 Revelation 0 Revelation 8 1Cor 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;
I noticed I have received no answers so I will answer it myself. Paul uses "Israel" to refer to national ethnic Israel 9 times in a row starting in Romans 9:27 and culminating in Romans 11:26. I challenge all postmillennialists and amillennialists to show me one example of Israel meaning something else in that section. If none of you do so, I will assume you agree with me. What contextual clue do you offer that Paul isn't referring to national ethnic Israel in Romans 11:26? Paul explains that a "partial hardening" happened to Israel in Romans 11:25. Would John Calvin claim this is the church? One verse later Calvin claims "all Israel" is the church. The absurdity of this poor exegesis is seen when we look two verses later (11:28) and see they are "enemies of the gospel for your sake." If Calvin is right that "all Israel" is the church in Romans 11:26, then they are also "enemies of the gospel" (vs. 28). How can the church, comprised of believers in the gospel, be enemies of the gospel? Sadly, the attack on classical dispensationalism is largely and attack on what no longer exists. I am a premillennialist who agrees with the reformed that salvation has always been by faith alone in Christ alone (John 8:56; Rom. 4:3). I believe that regeneration precedes faith (John 6:44; Titus 3:5). I believe that both Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ are the "one new man" (Eph. 2:15) and that only believers in Christ (whether Jew or Gentile) will inherit Christ's Kingdom. I don't believe there is a distinction between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God. I don't believe the gospels are for one group, while the epistles are for another group. I do believe, however, in good exegesis. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that believers will initially reign upon the earth in resurrected bodies, as the verses in Rev. 5:10; 20:4 promise, are doing poor exegesis. Those who don't believe in a future restoration of Israel are attacking the promises of God and are unable to do solid exegesis. For example, partial preterists claim the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 A.D. The Parousia of Christ is mentioned 4 times in this text (Matt. 24:3, 27, 37, 39). The apostle Paul teaches that the Parousia is the event in which believers are given their resurrected bodies (1 Cor. 15:22-23; 1 Thess. 4:15-18). So, either you're a partial preterist and you have to claim there will be two "Parousias" separated by thousands of years (brilliant!), or you have to be a full preterist and claim the resurrection already happened in 70 A.D. and commit the same heresy as Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Tim. 2:17-18) (even more brilliant!). Can some partial preterist on this site explain how the 16 usages of Parousia for Christ's coming can refer to two comings separated by thousands of years? Can you explain why the Parousia Paul mentions in 1 Cor. 15:23 is different than the Parousia mentioned in the Olivet Discourse? Can some full preterist explain to me why the nations are not going up to Jerusalem to worship Christ as promised in Zechariah 14:16-17? The poor eschatology of amillennialism and postmillennialism should be "left behind."
@@thechronicillnessdiaries2773 How can "spiritual Israel" be partially hardened in Romans 11:25 and enemies of the gospel for the sake of Gentile believers in Romans 11:28?
40:45 - massive assertion made hehehe Paraphrase "NT speaking of being Jewish as not an ethnic distinction, but based on belief in Christ." This is a discussion of Romans 11. This a massive leap that was just stated in passing. You have to prove that.
It is an error to say non-dispensationalists believe in "replacement theology". Reformed people believe in EXPANSION theology, not "replacement theology": the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) where Gentiles were added to the Jewish people saved by grace through faith (Gen. 15) to expand the Israel of God. The true Israel of God is Christ Himself--if you are in Him or part of His body, you are a true Israelite. There are not 2 separate plans of salvation; 1 for the ethnic Jew and 1 for the Gentile. The Son of God stated the flesh profits nothing. Classical Dispensationalism says if you are an ethnic Jew in the end times, the flesh profits a great deal. The ONLY way to be reconciled to God is through the crucified Christ. No other way. No separate plan of salvation as certain famous dispensational teachers have claimed. One very famous dispensationalist stated in a book, "The Jews don't need to be evangelized, they are already in covenant with God...". That is pure heresy.
I was in fellowship with the Plymouth Brethren for many years. Dispensationalists believe that Reformed people are anti-Semitic. One thing I could not get over was that Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Leon Trotsky, Henry Morgentaler, and Bugsy Siegel were Jewish. There was no way I was going to believe that they were right with God because they were Jewish.
I agree. When I was president of the funding branch for a rehab center in Israel for Russian Jews, I would have to hear replacement theology accusations, which I would confront the speaker about during breaks. Then I heard about big name Zionists saying faith in Christ was just for Gentiles, while the Jews had their own approach, while dispensationalists put off the necessity of Jews to be evangelized until some later date.
Amen….
John Hagee.
i'm adopted into Gods kingdom
An outstanding discussion! I learned a lot. A couple influential names missing from the discussion were Clarence Larkin (1880-1924), whose 1918 book Dispensational Truth brought us the end-times charts still used today, and tractmaster Jack Chick, who spread premill dispensationalism through millions of comic book tracts (The Beast and The Last Generation were hugely influential in my becoming a dispie).
Chick tracks! Used to love reading those as a kid. My family put them with candy at Halloween. I wonder how many were scared into the kingdom.
@@leadinged As long as they're in the kingdom! I still love Chick tracts and like your family I always include a handful in with the Halloween candy. Thanks for the comment!
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The books by Larkin and Chafer caused me to question dispensational theology. Then I asked graduates of BIOLA and everyone of them told me they never understood what they were taught. I cannot imagine the early Christians listening to scripture being read that they could ever come up with dispensationalism. When I think about what Chafer wrote mentioning three classes of people: Jews, Christians and Jews. When I read Philippians 3 I see where Paul mentions they are the true circumcision. I am unable to find three people in that statement.
I attended Dispensational churches for most of my life before switching to a Reformed church recently. I've learned more about Dispensationalism in the last few months than I did all those years. Dispensationalists may say that God is the same all the time, and that God saves by grace through faith in both the Old and New Testaments, and today, but when they preach, it doesn't come across that way. I came to Reformed Theology because it cleared up the discontinuity implied by Dispensational preachers I listened to for years and years. Reformed Theology is more in line with my understandings of Scripture than Dispensationalism.
As far as eschatology, all I know is that Jesus is coming back some day. In the meantime, we are to make disciples, and baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
One simple way to find out if your church pastors are of the Dispensational camp of theology is to ask them is Matt 24 eschatology written to the Jews and tribulation saints and not the church of born again believers? If they say yes or for the most part, then they are eschatological dispensationalist. That I believe can be dangerous because they believe in the any moment doctrine of Christ return and no prophetic signs that proceed it. It can be even more dangerous if they don't do Bible prophecy updates as related to current events which means their church can be totally caught off guard by the evil plans of Satan's one world system advancing across the earth in the form of the fulfillment of (Daniel 9:26-27 and it's different interpretations) and the seals of Rev 6. If all their eschatological eggs are in the Dispensational camp and it's the wrong theology as I believe, then that is very dangerous and misleading to their congratulations!!! This happened at my church because the current pandemic of the last 2.5 years has caused fear, confusion and deception to cause many pastors, church staff and members to accept the vaccines which the Bible calls a (sorcery) in Rev 18:23-24 which means pharmacies, drugs and poison. Who would have guessed this would be the first seal of Rev 6? Brothers and sisters in Christ get out your concordances and review with a open mind what the word (bow) and (crown) mean in the Greek dictionary in Rev 18:23 and stop relying on commentaries from Dispensational theology. Yes, if we are in the first seal already and I think we sure could be then Daniel 9:26-27 the string firm covenant with the many has already been fulfilled back in May of 2021 by the prince of the people that destroyed the temple and the city (in 70 AD) AKA pope Francis by giving His full support to the (United Nations= the many) of the great reset agenda 30 climate change deception. It was the U.N's agreement that Pope Francis made stronger and firm. Research pope Francis book entitled (Laudato Si) on climate change. Also another critical book to read is entitled (The Real Anthony Fauci) by Robert F Kennedy Jr. It will fully expose the evil behind the gain of function research of the virus and development of the vaccines that Bill Gates, Fauci, the WHO and the vaccine companies and the great reset of the World Economic Forum for massive population reduction by vaccines, food shortages, hyperinflation and wars increasing across the globe. In my humble opinion all the peaces fit this current event prophetically well. Study and consider this yourselves??? ✝ ✝ ✝
Soooooo close. Name(singular). Read Acts. ✝️☝️
Sorry to hear the church you were in weren’t really dispensationalist
You probably haven't read through the whole Bible, and meditate about the serious questions that a true believer need to answer with honesty.
@@paulgarduno2867 how many times has john haggee read the bible and still doesn’t have a clue.
Schofieldism and Darbyism deceived millions with the doctrine of the rapture😮
Ummm the rapture is clearly a biblical doctrine. Enoch and Elijah were both raptured. Jesus and Paul both spoke about and taught it. Harpadso is the Greek word Paul used for believers still alive being “caught up,” and is where the term comes from.
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In-Doctrine-nation.....
Darby and Scofield has led to murder and war. Just see how their disciples have “blessed” the Middle East. Instead of preaching the Gospel to middle easterners and giving them Bibles, they sent them bombs, politics, colonization, and continuous warfare.
Genesis 12:3 / Galatians 3 says the blessing of all families is The Creator of the Universe, not an apostate/sodomite/blasphemous nation.
@@beauchalyou can’t just rip a verse out of context and say….”see there rapture “ the Bible says it right there.
Yea I noticed the episode number I thought it was a tongue-in-cheek joke . Looking forward to the discussion
Blessings
Nobody comes to the father but through Christ. Do Jews accept Christ as savior? No. Is God a respecter of persons. No. Pretty simple. The Jews will not be saved just because of their DNA
the Jews we know are not of the seed of Abraham they are fake ..Khazars
Jews, just like those of every other ethnic group, will be saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
😂 666. That smirk was priceless.
Thank you. I'm not reformed but I enjoyed your discussion, both on and off topic.
One thing I would have liked is that you would go further back than Darby and Scofield. Lots of (or all?) dispensationalists actually disagree that dispensationalism 'began' in in the late 1800's and they would rather trace dispensationalism back to certain individuals who wrote and taught already in the centuries following Christs crucifixion.
I think it is always the most honourable thing to take your opponents claims seriously and examine them to the fullest extend, because if you just begin at Darby and Scofield, you will lose many a dispensationalist listener because you will already have proven yourself to not take their own claims seriously.
Thanks again.
It started with the jesuits, they wanted papacy to get away with millions of crimes they committed.
who are the ones before Darby?
The catch is that - correct me if I'm wrong - Darby did not get his doctrines from those earlier people. Yes, There are traces of dispensationalism in church history, but they are few and very very far between. And unless I've got my Church history wrong, Darby didn't know these people.
READ THE BIBLE AND KEEP IT IN YOUR HEART JESUS IS LORD
Does anyone remember the old Left Behind movie, probably made in the 70s. It had that song playing in it. The movie scared the heck out of me. "There's no time to change your mind, the Son has come and you've been left behind." Probably the scariest movie I've ever watched.
The movie was A Thief in the Night, 1972. I CANNOT overstate how destructive it was on someone my age, born 1970. It was not a shinning moment for Christianity , IMHO. God be praised, I was awakened to post-mil two years ago. LOL sounds like I ought to get a sobriety chip...
Yes. My parents had me and my siblings watch it when we were kids. I had to be around 7. It terrified me for years.
Oh my gosh this gave myself and all my siblings nightmares I hate it.
The movie is available on TH-cam.
Enjoy the memories
Dispensationalism ruined the boomer
The old testament promises "land" because it is necessary to form a kingdom. In the new testament, Jesus declares the "Kingdom of God" is at hand. I don't understand how he can says there is no "land" motif in the New Testament.
Very disappointed in the lack of social/political implications brought upon US and other nations that openly embraced this severe doctrinal error called dispensationalism.
Because you don’t understand it
Endtimes delusion by steve wohlberg
The 70 weeks of Daniel and the jesuit lie of futurism by uncontrolled oppersition
Romanism and the reformation from the standpoint of prophecy by H.GRATTON.GUINNESS
Vatican secret society's jesuits and the new world order by KJVIDEOMINSTRIES
Juggler66
Darkness is falling youtube and newtube
Rulers of evil by tupper saussy
I haven’t understood this argument, does that mean prior to dispensationalism all the social/political issues were due to covenant theology? If not, why is dispensationalism at fault now? There were no other major factors at work? It looks like convenient blame shifting.
@@coloradodutch7480 There will always be social and political issues as Jesus said "there will always be poor" due to the sinful nature of man. It just a matter of which one will corrupt a person or church, or society faster.
Have you looked into the history of Dispensationalism and how it evolved since it was conceived by John Nelson Darby? The fact that it changed so much should be a warning.
Dispensationalism is not new. It's just a mix of ancient heresies Marcionism, Montanism, Ebionism, etc. When it was first proposed, many orthodox pastors and theologians called it a heresy. It changed quite a bit to be questionable now.
@@coloradodutch7480 How can you ask such an infantile woke question as a Christian? It's always matter of degrees of corruption instead of corruption or no corruption. Your binary view and question is disturbing. You need to grow up.
Thank you Reformed forum and guest for the reasonable discussion and balanced treatment of the history of dispensationalism. I am some kind of dispensationalist and I was expecting this to be the usual hatchet job but you did very well. We need more content like this on these crtique videos of other theological systems.
I believe that dispensationalism has corrupted many a poor soul into this false system of theology. It adds confusion and does not glorify God in any way shape or form. We all need to read And believe God's word. dispensationalism is of men, it could never be found in The Bible without many twist and turns added to it.
A few years back i came across dispensationalism. Had never heard of it. I was very careful with it but even then it began to affect my faith. I totally backed away and came to the conclusion that, as these gentlemen stated in their own way, they are very good at manipulating Scripture. I have also found that for the most part Dispensationalists are very self-righteous and smart-alecky.
One simple way to find out if your church pastors are of the Dispensational camp of theology is to ask them is Matt 24 eschatology written to the Jews and tribulation saints and not the church of born again believers? If they say yes or for the most part, then they are eschatological dispensationalist. That I believe can be dangerous because they believe in the any moment doctrine of Christ return and no prophetic signs that proceed it. It can be even more dangerous if they don't do Bible prophecy updates as related to current events which means their church can be totally caught off guard by the evil plans of Satan's one world system advancing across the earth in the form of the fulfillment of (Daniel 9:26-27 and it's different interpretations) and the seals of Rev 6. If all their eschatological eggs are in the Dispensational camp and it's the wrong theology as I believe, then that is very dangerous and misleading to their congratulations!!! This happened at my church because the current pandemic of the last 2.5 years has caused fear, confusion and deception to cause many pastors, church staff and members to accept the vaccines which the Bible calls a (sorcery) in Rev 18:23-24 which means pharmacies, drugs and poison. Who would have guessed this would be the first seal of Rev 6? Brothers and sisters in Christ get out your concordances and review with a open mind what the word (bow) and (crown) mean in the Greek dictionary in Rev 18:23 and stop relying on commentaries from Dispensational theology. Yes, if we are in the first seal already and I think we sure could be then Daniel 9:26-27 the string firm covenant with the many has already been fulfilled back in May of 2021 by the prince of the people that destroyed the temple and the city (in 70 AD) AKA pope Francis by giving His full support to the (United Nations= the many) of the great reset agenda 30 climate change deception. It was the U.N's agreement that Pope Francis made stronger and firm. Research pope Francis book entitled (Laudato Si) on climate change. Also another critical book to read is entitled (The Real Anthony Fauci) by Robert F Kennedy Jr. It will fully expose the evil behind the gain of function research of the virus and development of the vaccines that Bill Gates, Fauci, the WHO and the vaccine companies and the great reset of the World Economic Forum for massive population reduction by vaccines, food shortages, hyperinflation and wars increasing across the globe. In my humble opinion all the peaces fit this current event prophetically well. Study and consider this yourselves??? ✝ ✝ ✝
Corrupted souls like John McArthur?
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Without the mystery given to Paul for us today there would be no salvation
I'm a dispensationalist before but now I'm an amillenialist. As I understand about dispensationalism teaching, it has a lot of ideas that has no basis on the scriptures, and when they use scriptures verses, it usually out of context. And has gone too far from the truth.
This guy makes me feel like Phillip Seymour Hoffman is giving me a Bible talk. (All in good fun, thanks for the informative discussion)
Eleven seconds into the episode, and I'm already laughing!
Wow. That smirk at the announcing of the episode number for the topic! Well played
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yes, they love there dispensationalist brothers and sisters don't they?
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Yes, I caught that too.
Thanks for the discussion. An accurate understanding of the scriptures.
Such a pleasant and fascinating discussion. Well done.
At 75 I was recently introduced to Preterism. Had never realized I was an ignorant Dispensationalists…. Not any longer….
There are still PCUSA churches in Mercer and Hunterdon County New Jersey who have dispensationalist leanings from Lambertville, NJ and Delaware Water Gap. What he is saying is still true in Rural America in the North East. I am glad he said this. True about 10 th Presbyterian and the elders who to this day have some old ties with previously pre-millenial Bible Departments @ Cairn University (Phila
College of the Bible).
So, for quite some time I have made myself a student of all things relating to eschatology. Growing up SB in Texas, I learned about the rapture, 7 year trib., and everything that follows after. I was really challenged by the class I sat in on with Dr. Morey. I read his book through and it created a lot of confusion for me, so I tabled the concept for short time. Later, I picked it back up as I started off on my biased quest to prove what I believed, or was taught growing up to be true. As biased as I was, I proved myself wrong. I would read articles, and go to scripture over and over again. I would watch youtube videos and again go back to scripture. The more I tried to make an argument for a rapture, the more questions I created. The more I considered the fact that Revelation was apocalyptic language, more questions were answered. My first "aha" moment I was blessed with was the fact that dispensationalist have to make apocalyptic language literal and take literal terms such as "this generation" and make it apocalyptic. After that, I used scripture outside of Revelation to interpret Revelation, Daniel 9 for example. 70 weeks were decreed, and by all accounts, the timeline marched out just as was prophesized. BTW, this is the part where I start getting really geeky... However, one John Nelson Darby took it upon himself to put a pin into the 69th week and created a prophetic pause button and inserted 2000 years, known as the "gap theory". We will come back to that part later but something else about Daniel stuck in my craw as well. Why was Daniel told to seal up what was revealed to him, yet John was told not too, while on the island of Patmos, because the time was NEAR? Staying with John now, and this part is not my own observation, but what is striking is that if Revelation was written in 95 AD, which is required for dispensationalism to hold water, why did John never mention the destruction of the temple in 70AD? Nary a word. A big goose egg. That would be a kin to writing about WWII and leaving out the holocaust. From that observation though, I now believe it is because he wrote Revelation before 70AD, which would lend itself to him being told "not to seal it up" and '"the time was near." Likewise, this frames the Olivet Discourse as was intended by Jesus. After the disciples asked Him when these things would come to pass, he gives His answer in Matt. 24:14: "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then the end shall come" (KJV). So the next logical question would be is when was the gospel preached to all nations? Paul told us in Col. 1: 23: "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope, of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister." Another thing I discovered is that dispensationalists really have trouble squaring with is Hebrews especially the 9:26: "For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end he hath appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." This points directly back to the Olivet Discourse and defining exactly what generation Christ was talking about - the one he was speaking to and not 2000 years later. But let us pause and welcome Mr. Darby back, because if I knew nothing about a pre-tribulation rapture and picked up a bible and read Matthew, I would conclude that the tribulation took place in the generation Jesus was speaking to. Point is, this is a made made scheme that has to be taught and learned. So I did some more digging because I wanted to know what exactly Darby said regarding this. I eventually found his synopsis of Matthew 24, and WOW.... He was either grossly deceived by something or some one, or hitting the crack pipe. He observed that: "The disciples confounded that which the Lord had said of the destruction of the temple with this period." "God hides His face from them until He shall see what their end will be, for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith." So in Darby's words, God wasn't sure how everything was going to play out because they are stubborn and pigheaded. So Darby decided that God was going to cut them a break by declaring: "The time of this ignorance God winked at, and another ground of judgment as to them is given in the beginning of Romans."
"if Revelation was written in 95 AD, which is required for dispensationalism to hold water, why did John never mention the destruction of the temple in 70AD? "
Excellent point.
John, a contemporary of Jesus, would have been about 95 years old in 95AD. A bit too old to sit in a dank cave and write Revelation , in my opinion.
There are much easier and logical paths to dismissing the error of dispensationalism and a pre trib rapture than preterism.
@@jamesenewold8864 I’m not a preterist. God is returning at the end of this age.
So many unanswered questions,!
Most of them generated by the biased and wrong, "replacement theology" . This is what you get when you ignore God's faithfulness to Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Aka. The Nation of Israel .
@@BertGraef Moses was writing when he was almost 120 yrs old
Glad to hear about this. When I first became converted I was exposed to dispensationalism. Now I longer hold those views. Fascinating how this view gained ground in America and still is popular
I would guess that the majority of people in reformed churches that hold to covenant theology were influenced by or even held to dispensational beliefs at some point. Dispensationalism runs deep in American evangelicalism.
Nicholas... as one who was taught it and steeped in it can you pls explain it in short layman's paragraphs and why is dispensation interwoven into pre trib rapture.
Thank you
Same here! So glad the Lord showed me the truth about this false system!
@@Christian-vq8rd a little leaven goes a long way. The assumption that they are even biblical Israel today is absurd.
Those who deny the SON, dont have The Father. 1 John 2:22-23. The whole argument is a moot point. Reformed theology shouldnt even be discussing this pathetic nonsense. That religion still claiming Moses but worshipping thier talmudic sages and blaspheming Jesus by calling Him an "idol" is as valid as Islam or Buddhism in Gods eyes. But satan is crafty....
Same here , I came to faith in a Calvary Chapel which holds dispensationalism as an essential doctrine . I’m blessed to be a member of my local OPC
I guess what I mean as futurism… which was influential in concepts of rapture. Please read below
“futurism as devised by a Jesuit, Francisco Ribera, during the Counter-Reformation. In the early 19th century, Manuel de Lacunza, also thought to have been a Jesuit, expanded on it”.
1:13:00 Good discussion here. Dispens can tend to be excessively focused on giving current day Israel carte blanche. We shouldn't be opposed to them, but we need to not view US or Israel as nations of God.
We SHOULDN’T be opposed? The Word tells us differently:
EXPOSE EVIL:
Ephesians 5:11
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” King James Version (KJV)
that religion which denies His SON, is under WRATH. This isnt even a NT teaching. Psalm 2:12.
@@hummerwisdom amen......most sheep have no clue what they are even blessing and bidding godspeed to. 2 John 7-11.
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Anybody who doesn’t understand Pauls dispensation Eph 3:1-10kjb might understand darbys mess from 200 yrs ago but not what the Lord gave Paul 2000 years ago. Look at the Acts 2 church which says was added to in Acts2. The Acts 2 church was already in tact then comes Paul and the Lord had him write this 1 Tim 1:15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Paul is the first member of the body of Christ and a pattern to him that believes hereafter. Go ahead and have your nonsense discussion i choose to follow my kjv not what satan and his man darby started.
Most Excellent gentlemen!
Fortunately "Dispensationalism" is waning... not fast enough... but the dispensational biblical system of hermeneutics really is being dismissed these days. I graduated from Bethel Seminary (M.Div, 2014), and several of my theology professors were Dallas grads; to the man, and woman, they have all dismissed the system entirely. There is hope.
I was heavily influenced by D and was teethed on the Scofield Ref Bible ( 1 and 2); as I progressed through Bible College, then Seminary, I too found D to be untenable biblically, theologically, and historically... the Bible can never mean what it never meant !
Thanks again for the talk... even learned a couple things!
marcus
Funny, I went the other way.
As I progressed through the Bible I found covenant theology to be untenable biblically, theologically, and historically... the Bible can never mean what it never meant !
@@coloradodutch7480, ridiculous.
Augustinian Calvinism has been a biblical thing since, well, Augustin!
It's what the Bible has always meant. Dispensationalism is the new kid on the block; heterodoxy, balderdash & poppycock.
marcus
@@markh.harris9271and before Augustine the early church fathers were pre millennial. Believing in a literal thousand year reign of Christ was orthodox Christianity for the first few hundred years. End of the day it’s about the Bible not what church history taught.
@ZandJ12345 , I don't have so much problem with historical premillenialism; and I certainly can't fault the church fathers that early on at being mistaken.
The worse sin is "wrongly" dividing the word of truth. My main problem with D is the hermeneutics, which destroys the meaning of the new covenant New Testament, denies most of Jesus' words in the synoptic gospels, and flatly denies ultimately the person and work of Christ.
John Nelson Darby's idea are not just the mother-load of bad theological principles, his thoughts and teachings encoded in the C. I. Scofield reference Bible are straightup heterodoxy.
marcus
Scofield was a drunk with the wrong spirit guiding him.....read 4 Ezra
Ya know it really bothers me when people who are so call theologians make fun and laugh at what people believe. Every covenant theologians I've heard belittle dispensatiolist. Which I believe you will never convert one person to covenant theology because of your immature approach to theology. Example you laugh at people who believe in a rapture and play them off as uneducated, silly women being led astray. Is this how you convert people. Belittle them, then laugh at them. Then because they don't believe as you. You cast them off as lost, unsaved, heretics, one guy even went so far as calling the blasphemers and will be in the lake of fire with the devil.
Yet in all that I don't hear dispensationalist belittling covenant theology. They will say they don't agree but I've yet heard one actually say the other is silly uneducated or anything else.
These men couldn't have been more benign in their critique of Dispensationalism. You can be sure many would criticize them for being too mild. And then there's you...a false witness, a hostile child, and a stomping boor. Get a hold of yourself, look in the mirror...AND GROW UP.
You didn’t include a link to the content you referenced at 21:00 - could you? Can’t find it on TH-cam or podcast.
I believe that God is smart enough to say what HE means, without any man's imagination of "allegorical" teaching . Luke 24:46
do you class allegorical and figurative as the same??
Very good 👍
Michael brings up a point around 26:00 that I have brought up several times with dispy's. And it is that because Israel rejected their Messiah, God had to go to "Plan B" until the fulness of gentiles has come in... That does not treat the sovereignty of God it's due justice.
Paul said in Romans 11:25-26 that Israel is mostly hardened until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, and in this way all Israel shall be saved. That shows a clear distinction that God makes between Israel and the mostly Gentile church.
It shows that the church is made up of both Jews and Gentiles and at the time of Paul it was switching more and more from being primarily Jewish to being more and more Gentile. It looks like Paul is convinced that it will swing back to being heavily Jewish before Christ returns.
No, two branches of the ONE true vine, one broken off and the other grafted in. Keep in mind that the Church was predominantly comprised of Jews for the first few decades of its history-not only Gentiles.
Dispensational Claim: Romans 11 proves National Israel will be saved in the future.
I have heard both John MacArthur, and John Hagee make the following statement…
“And then all Israel will be saved.” (Also found on page 349 of the book “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty” by the Jesuit, Manuel Lacunza “Ben Ezra”.)
Both MacArthur, and Hagee, are selectively quoting from the verse below in an attempt to make Dispensational Theology work. Have they changed the meaning of the verse?
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
These men have changed the word “so”, which is an adverb of manner, into the word “then”, which is an adverb of timing.
What is the “manner” of salvation in the passage? It is in the preceding verses found below.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
In Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church, made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles, grafted together into the same tree. In the two verses above the unbelievers can be grafted back into the tree through faith in Christ. Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in the passage.
Is the “covenant” in verse 27 a future covenant with the modern State of Israel, or is it the New Covenant fulfilled for all races of people by the blood of Christ at Calvary? In order to answer this question we need to know who is “Israel”, as defined by Paul, earlier in the same letter to the Romans. What did Paul say below about “Israel” in Romans chapter 9?
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (All Israelites are not a part of faithful Israel.)
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
(Being a physical Israelite does not make a person a part of Israel of the promise.)
Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
(Only a “remnant” of Israelites shall be saved.)
Based on the verses above from Romans 9 Paul was describing the “manner” of how Israelites would be saved in Romans 11:26, instead of the timing of their salvation.
The verse below is also often used by Dispensationalists in an attempt to make their doctrine work. Dispensationalists often insist an Israelite can be an enemy of God, and the elect at the same time.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Throughout Romans chapter 11 the Apostle Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites, one faithful, and one not faithful. Paul begins the chapter this way is Romans 11:1-5, by describing the Israelites who were Baal worshippers, in contrast to the faithful “remnant”, during the time of Elijah. Paul said there was also a faithful “remnant” during his time. Therefore, based on Romans 11:1-5, there are two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11:28. The Israelites who rejected Christ were the “they” who are the enemies of God, while the group of “they” who accepted Christ are the “election”. Paul ends the passage in the same way that he began the passage, with two different groups of Israelites.
@@SpotterVideo Any Christian who has studied thier Talmud knows that they arent even the biblical people or nation anyway. The entire discussion is a moot point. Still using Paul's arguments 2000 years after the nation and temple and priesthood was destroyed is pointless. They are just about as valid a religion in Gods eye as Islam or buddhism or Hinduism.
assuming that the talmudist/rabbincic, Leviteless cult that calls Jesus an "idol" and is still the biblical nation or even Pauls people, is false. Dont even give the devil an inch, please. Rev 2:9.
37:10 through 41:05 and 46:59 through 47:56 is absolute gold.
Replacement Theology is a disingneuous pejorative term made up by insincere dispensationists
who cannot debate their own position and resort to name calling. The Church Israel distinction comes
dangerously close to preaching a different Gospel gal. 1:6-9
@@rstora01This is because your theology isn't based on Scripture. How can "all Israel" be the church in Romans 11:26? Paul used Israel as national ethnic Israel 9 verses in a row starting in Romans 9:27. What contextual clue do you offer that Paul has switched to use Israel as the church in Romans 11:26? Paul says there was a "partial hardening" of Israel in Romans 11:25. Are you claiming this "partial hardening" was of the church? If not, what evidence do you have that Paul is suddenly referring to the church one verse later (11:26)? Absolute proof that "all Israel" is national ethnic Israel is found 2 verses later when Paul states they are "enemies of the gospel for your sake (11:28)? If you claim "all Israel" in Romans 11:26 is the church, how can they be "enemies of the gospel" 2 verses later? How can believers in the gospel be enemies of the gospel? Obviously, those who were enemies of the gospel were those of national ethnic Israel.
Clearly Paul is referring to a national restoration of Israel at Christ's Parousia as evidenced by his citation of Isaiah 59:20. This is the same belief the apostles had in Acts 1:6; 3:19-21. The apostles believed and taught a future restoration of Israel, why don't you? Those who receive the doctrines of the apostles receive the very doctrines of Christ (Matt. 10:40). Are you then not proclaiming a different gospel?
Haha I never heard of you... Just stumbled here on your 666th episode. Trying to decide if I should stay or run. 😂
This didn't help my understanding of the history.
Oh so I shouldn't bother then. I have same feeling. I'm 15 min in and think this won't answer my questions.
@@destinycoach5 I am happy my comment was helpful
Dispensationalism IS heresy. Flee from it. How may any man come to the Father? Jesus only. End of discussion.
Holy and reverend is His name! Psalm 111:9
Episode 666 is about Dispensationalism. How appropriate !
Dispensationalists will say this episode has received the mark of the beast
What is amazing is some believe there will be an end of the church age. Well, it had a beginning, but it will not have an end. What ends is the Gentiles coming into the church. But the Bride is forever!
Mike, every age(aion) has an end; 1 Cor.10:11.
@@aioniansage6081 Yes there is an end of this age, as Jesus said in Matt. 24. But there is not end to the church. She goes on forever. Amen?
@@Mike65809 Yes, the Church which is Christ's body will of course continue.
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Not really amazing just bible belief
Thanks for the episode! Also, what is the thumbnail artwork?
@1:02:06 "they're actually organically the development of the one and the same covenant. " Then was the Mosaic law covenant no more conditional than the Abrahamic? If the law was a move toward greater conditionality, then how is this seen as a linear progression of GRACE?
Unquestionably, dispensationalism replaces Christ with a re-emerged national Israel as the epicentre of their belief system. ✔️
16 minutes in and I still haven't learned what "dispensationalism" is.
try 1:21:29 in then. It's like watching a movie and saying you still don't know who the bad guy is after the first scene.
@@fteacadia The bad guy is always anybody who tolerates cussing, drinking, unwedded sexual intercourse, smoking, political correctness, or multi-racialism.
Endtimes delusion by steve wohlberg
The 70 weeks of Daniel and the jesuit lie of futurism by uncontrolled oppersition.
Romanism and the reformation from the standpoint of prophecy by H.GRATTON.GUINNESS
Vatican secret society's jesuits and the new world order by KJVIDEOMINSTRIES
Darkness is falling youtube and newtube.
Juggler66
Inquisition update by Tom friess.
Rulers of evil by tupper saussy.
@@trukeesey8715 -- Where in the Bible is smoking said to be a sin? (I don't use tobacco myself, so I am not looking for an excuse.) Also, what do you mean by 'multi-racialism'? There is only one race, the human race (Acts 17:26), and we are all just various shades of brown.
@@gregb6469 You certainly haven't devoted much time to sincere studying of the effects of sundry bloodlines in history, nor the Biblical laws about same.
If you find a "bad guy" you can just about always find that he tolerates smoking. Not a true statement. Think of all of the "bad guys" whom you know about and count how many of them tolerate smoking and how many don't, then report back to me with the numbers.
Listen to Prem Rawat!
What piano bar jazz music artist was playing at the beginning?
I am of the opinion that PM-D is a dangerous theology for its impact on Christians & Christianity in general. While PM-D adherents have a commitment to a system, I believe at its root, it fosters an escapist, persecution avoidance, while Scripture in general calls us to walk the road of suffering. The idea that Tribulation comes in a 7 year time frame, after Christians are pulled out of the world, directly opposes John's seeming implication that he is a fellow partaker in THE tribulation (Rev1.9), and that we must enter the kingdom thru much tribulation (Acts14.22.) I believe this theology is partly responsible for the nominal Christianity that seems to plague the American version of the faith once delivered.
God's overall plan is saving and redeeming mankind - His whole creation actually, and not just a nation. The center of Scripture is not Israel but JESUS CHRIST. He is the True Israel! Anyone who is in Him is the True People of God! It is not through ethnicity but by faith in Jesus and that alone. Unfortunately, like many Jews in the 1st Century many Christians today seem to miss out the true nature of the Kingdom of God. (Lk. 17 :20-21) 😢🙏
Would it be correct in thinking that the dispensational thought of the literal Israel having to be supported like the Jews of the NT believing the Messiah was going to literally free Israel from Rome and they'd have their kingdom back?
Dispensationalism is a "discontinuity" when it comes to exegesis/hermeneutics. I understand that many Christians have acquiesced to what they were taught by men (and women) trained in Christian theology (pastors, professors, Sunday School and youth pastors). Yet, among many other reasons, the supreme one is that Jesus said, 2xs in the Gospels, and intimated at other times, that the Old Testament was about Himself (Luke24.25-27, 44; Jn.5.39). These explicit assertions from our Lord should not be mitigated and, at worse, ignored. Many other New Testament statements declared Jesus as the fulfillment of the Bible. He is the new Adam, new David, New Israel (true Vine), [the] Prophet, Priest and King; the Temple, the Son, etc....
And…? (In what way and for what and whose purpose is His return?)
I would have loved for these men to bring up the impact of Grace Theological Seminary and Alva J. McClain.
If the kingdom is realized and no longer future, yet lacking in physical indicators satisfactory to Biblical prophetic fulfillment in any physical or visual fulfillment, then why should we be concerned about perceptions of sins any more than as bad dreams of our imagination? Sins are no longer real either. Everything is realized and in the past, the imagination of sins being no more than a spiritual reminder of what is no longer. A cause for rejoicing and not a call to repentance.
But why must the inheritance to Israel not include the land? If everything of God, then why not the scrubby piece of land also? Or is that too much? Are we thinking as God Who promised, or as theologians who have inherited a system which has a stake in denying the land promises? Do we also deny the millennial kingdom because we are perhaps just a little too asetic? Why did not the Lord originally use Abram's line to Sarah, " You have Me!" But God specified the land promises. And as far as I have noticed, the sun and moon continue and the tide continues as before. Unless the sun, moon, and tides will become figurative also. Then the land promises still hold.
This was excellent!
Leap Castle (apparently the world's most haunted) was owned and lived in by the Darby's
I'm trying to learn what Dispensationist means. I was taking this all in but you lost me when you said Darby started it. He did not! He rejuvenated it. You guys know this, but clinging to saying this to try to make it look like an afterthought and man made.
Harpadzo is in the original text, means divinely taken from one place and put in another.
Darby's writings of. dispensationalism came from the jusuits
Francisco rebera a jusuit in the 16 th century wrote the unbiblical theory of futurism in order to counter the protestant reformation effort designed to shift the emphasis protestant historical eschatology away from the true anti Christ system of worship the papacy ( Paypal Rome)
In the book of Daniel the anti Christ is not named but described as a religious political power
They speak blasphemy
blasphemy in the bible refers to someone who claims to be able to forgive sins that only God can do
also blasphemy means someone who claims to be God or God's true representative on earth
The Pope's claim this
The Catholic Church claims to be able to forgive sins
also in the book of Daniel it states that they do not marry
So many Christians are completely ignorant of history and are deceived
Lol the dispensationalists are gonna have a field day with the fact this episode is number 666! 😂
I caught that too and its down right wrong for believers in Christ to be against one another. So much division in the Body of Christ. Its a waste of time, when we could be doing what we are suppose to be doing, preaching the gospel.
To go out and preach the gospel entails understanding it correctly beforehand.
As soon as you said "it was like a new religion". I chuckled a bit and thought, he is going to walk that back a bit.
The thing I think about, is how many brides does Christ have? It's one vine we've been grafted in we received the same nourishment He's not going to have a bride and then the ugly could of would or should have. It's one body Israel seed of Abraham.
Suggest you don't put all on one video recording. Hard to listen all at one go. Thank you.
I have reviewed Calvinism and Covenant Theology for 40 years. I admit I began my walk with Christ as a literalist. I believed that according to Isaiah in the millennium (regardless of its beginning and length) that the government would be on Messiah’s shoulders and He would be seated on His father David’s throne. In Revelation, John reported that in the millennium the devil would be bound. If as I have read that amillennialism is a misnomer and we are in the millennium, could someone explain the evidence of what my eyes see and ears hear? The evidence is that amillennial is no misnomer; there isn’t one. But I don’t believe it.
25:45 is awesome “the Old Testament meaning something it didn’t mean until Israel rejected Christ”. If you read Darby’s personal synopsis of Matthew it borders heresy if not heresy itself.
really, prove what you say. that satemet is ridiculous coming from the divine popes of protestanatism. like why dontyou go back to Rome?
One simple way to find out if your church pastors are of the Dispensational camp of theology is to ask them is Matt 24 eschatology written to the Jews and tribulation saints and not the church of born again believers? If they say yes or for the most part, then they are eschatological dispensationalist. That I believe can be dangerous because they believe in the any moment doctrine of Christ return and no prophetic signs that proceed it. It can be even more dangerous if they don't do Bible prophecy updates as related to current events which means their church can be totally caught off guard by the evil plans of Satan's one world system advancing across the earth in the form of the fulfillment of (Daniel 9:26-27 and it's different interpretations) and the seals of Rev 6. If all their eschatological eggs are in the Dispensational camp and it's the wrong theology as I believe, then that is very dangerous and misleading to their congratulations!!! This happened at my church because the current pandemic of the last 2.5 years has caused fear, confusion and deception to cause many pastors, church staff and members to accept the vaccines which the Bible calls a (sorcery) in Rev 18:23-24 which means pharmacies, drugs and poison. Who would have guessed this would be the first seal of Rev 6? Brothers and sisters in Christ get out your concordances and review with a open mind what the word (bow) and (crown) mean in the Greek dictionary in Rev 18:23 and stop relying on commentaries from Dispensational theology. Yes, if we are in the first seal already and I think we sure could be then Daniel 9:26-27 the string firm covenant with the many has already been fulfilled back in May of 2021 by the prince of the people that destroyed the temple and the city (in 70 AD) AKA pope Francis by giving His full support to the (United Nations= the many) of the great reset agenda 30 climate change deception. It was the U.N's agreement that Pope Francis made stronger and firm. Research pope Francis book entitled (Laudato Si) on climate change. Also another critical book to read is entitled (The Real Anthony Fauci) by Robert F Kennedy Jr. It will fully expose the evil behind the gain of function research of the virus and development of the vaccines that Bill Gates, Fauci, the WHO and the vaccine companies and the great reset of the World Economic Forum for massive population reduction by vaccines, food shortages, hyperinflation and wars increasing across the globe. In my humble opinion all the peaces fit this current event prophetically well. Study and consider this yourselves??? ✝ ✝ ✝
It doesn't make sense but things are starting to make sense to me. I've sat in church for many years feeling as though something was wrong. I'll pray and I'll read and I'll feel as low the Holy Spirit is telling me something. I'll then go to church I'll hear a sermon, it's much like hearing a politician speak. What they say lines up with what I feel I have read and the Holy Spirit has spoken to me. But what they mean is the exact opposite. Dispensationalists say they go for a literal interpretation of scripture. How can you take jesus's words in Matthew and say you're speaking literal yet say the church is going to be snatched out of here before the Antichrist is revealed?
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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@@robinworkman3621 They are very literal except where the text is being literal.
@@DISP-CEPTED lol
Dispensationalist: Whats a Darby? Whats a Scofield?
Answer: Its where all the teachings you believe came from Einstein!
I can give you the names of several books that refute that claim.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 Dispensationalism is a false teaching. It is not found in Scripture. Even if they got it from someone else it doesn't change the fact that it did NOT come from Scripture! And they certainly did their parts to popularize the false doctrine.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 No books needed. Our savior plainly told us there is no such thing as dispensationalism.
Matthew 5:17-18
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 I can give you 1. The BIBLE!!!
DISPENSATIONALISM IS NOT IN IT. It is INSERTED into the text which is read OUT OF CONTEXT by Dispensational nitwits
There was no " delay ".
God was not shocked that Israel rejected Jesus . It was all in HIS sovereignty and HIS plans
What’s the book called
The Ancient Antiochene Church taught dispensational theology. I document this fact. I have been teaching theology for many years now. Apostle Paul uses the Greek word for "dispensation" in his letter to the Ephesians.
Paul's use of the word has nothing to do with the Darbyist use of the word. That's like people in the US who justify the "welfare" state because the word exists in the constitution. A big killer for dispensationalist ideas for me was reading early church thinkers and then seeing the Jesuit roots of Dispensationalism. Would a key theology dreamed up by the SS or KGB be one you might just want to second guess? The Jesuits are not your friend.
Spend 2 hours physically active for every 1 hour sedentary: walkin, sports, aerobics, swimmin, climbin trees, and so on.
Episode 666?
“Safe and effective”? Sure. Why would I go to a doctor who encouraged and even shamed me to get the jab? Do you think he/she would have the humility, and reflective capacity to take me seriously? And worse yet, even want to treat me? Health care is now an industry driven one common denominator. Profits at all costs. Care and concern is a distant memory. In just a couple of generations we have gone from house-calls to 24hr. waits in hospital ERs. Doesn’t sound like progress to me.
Amazing Reformed folk can dissect dispensationalism while bowing before Augustinian heresies
A doctrine correctly understood from the Bible in 2024 is every bit as true, no matter how recently read and understood, as that doctrine understood twenty centuries ago. Same Bible. Same truth. Same Holy Spirit. In fact the truth must always be new and cutting to the soul of a person. And no truth should ever be considered any more respectable because an ancient council, ir a confession or a creed has featured that truth. A Biblical truth is only ever true because it is Biblical. That is all a truth needs. Ut should be given no more respect because it is in a creed or confession. I remember, recently saved, while reading John, my ears got hot as I realized that "Jesus is God"! I was not aware that anyone else also knew this to be true . But it did not matter whether I was the first and only. I knew this as truth, no matter even if this was heresy to everyone else. And so must all truth be. There is something wrong with you if truth is more true when the whole Church shouts it as truth. The Holy Spirit teaches a soul at a time.
Episode number 666 - 'A History of Dispensationalism' 🤣
Divine timing? 😆
In Hebrews 1:1 the writer shows a bit 9f dispensationalism which I quite agree with.
I would have went right to episode 667
Investigate Edward Irving and his impact
Are pastors not to preach one thing and one thing only The Gospel, the saving grace of Christ. The telling souls of the need to be Born Again in order to redeemed
If people would just simply read the word of God, pray and seek his wisdom. They would see the truth. Put down your commentary and stop just taking what man says as gospel truth.
ONLY GOD IS REVEREND
what the hell kind of a name is Glodo?
As to Zionism, I do not know that Israel is actually back in the land now, as far as God is concerned any more than the mistaken zeal of those carried to Babylon thought of rebellion and had to be quieted by the prophets. Or the premature zeal of Moses in murdering an Egyptian to think to free Israel .
Haven't listened yet. I looked up the definition on two separate occasions and still don't know what it means. Hopin to find it here within a few minutes.
Recomend for academics only. Sadly a confusing wandering discussion about the history of dispensationalism. Did not seem to address the history until 48" into the video. States dispensationalism began with Darby totally ignoring the insights of the early church fathers on dispensational issues. Treats dispensatinalists as if most dispensationalist hold to singular core belief system whereas you really need to ask an individual where he is on a dispensational continium.
It does not matter what your nationality is: You must put ALL your faith in JESUS CHRIST's shed blood and get BAPTIZED in the name of the FATHER and the SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. PLUS be in COMMUNION with JESUS CHRIST then and only then will you go to HEAVEN after you die, otherwise you will go to spend eternity in hell. That is ALL you need to know ! ! ! WHY MAKE THE WHOLE THING SO DIFFICULT ???????????? . . . IT's NUTS ! ! !
Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that the episode number is 666 😂 😂😂😂
Basically this is: Dispensationalist Thelogians are the bad guys, Covenant Thelogians are the good guys
I’m horrified by dispensationalism. I am horrified.
It replaces our Perfect and Holy Savior, Creator of the Universe, and His Church, with an apostate nation. His Kingdom is not of this world and beautiful beyond belief.
Man looks down instead onto the world, and glorifies that instead.
Man gives the keys to apostates who then tell them what to do.
Man endorses murder, theft, ungodlinesses, sin, and destruction.
I have been attending Precept Ministries Bible studies and realized, after studying Hebrews, Daniel, & now Revelation with them, that they adhere to dispensationalism. The studies are otherwise excellent. Can anyone recommend any Inductive-based Bible studies that are theologically reformed in nature?
Nope 🙅♂️, reform theology has failed miserably. In light of current events. &
( with so many different views)
Replacement theology has been forced to deny 1Tessalonians 1:10 , .4: 13 --18. and ..5:9 , compared with 3:3.
Not if want a grammatical, literal, & historical hermeneutical approach because otherwise you come to pre millennial view with a dispensational flavor. Unfortunately covenant theology has too many holes to recommend it
Having grown up around DTS, I had to be dispensational. The last few years has made me much more humble about the rapture. Just can not find it in scripture as early as in the past. Still believe it, but think my belief is more held in tradition now instead exegesis. Quite humbling.
I don't see it in scripture either. I tend to lean more towards pre-wrath resurrection. That said I realize that I am capable of being deceived and wrong. And my search for all these things I constantly come back to one thing. Christ crucified! And it's not just saying a prayer it's living a life of repentance not to earn anything for salvation is by grace through faith not by works lest any man should boast. I have been redeemed in his eyes I am sanctified justified and glorified. But this flesh has not been redeemed yet. I have to battle it daily moment by moment he who walks In the spirit does not gratify the desires of the flesh. Paul tells us to crucify our flesh. As we are here on this earth being sanctified and transformed into the image of Christ we must seek to be obedient to his word through the power of the Holy Spirit. For me to believe in pre-trib, takes way too much mental gymnastics. How do I make what Jesus said into pre-trib?
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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@@robinworkman3621 Amen! Its ALL about Jesus the Savior!
within covenants Dispensations changed, not the covenant, but the people. Jews from nomads to a country, one country to two, faithful to unfaithful and more,
He was smiling right before episode 666 started 😏😏😏😆
Made my way over. Good to see you went before me ahahaha
@@TheBrotherOfPeter lollllll
Warning dispensationlist th-cam.com/video/-d4p2JYWyd0/w-d-xo.html
The Truth is very very simple, if revealed, it is Coventantial between the Old & New Testaments
Where the Old Covenant is to Land Inheritance, given way to the New Covenant which is Inheritance unto God himself, orginally envisioned by God when he first cut the Covenant with Abraham, comes through the revelation of the Ark of the Covenant to the Prophecy of Jeremiah (also called as the Prophet of the New Covenant) in 2 Macabees 2 , 4 -8, (OT) & in the NT again by the words of the Christ "You know not the Father neither the Son but them unto whom the Son pleases to reveal" God changes not,
Truth is not by dispensations for truth is not many, but one,
True Israel gave birth to the Church following the Ark of the Covenant, likewise the true Church follow Israel & the Ark
It was not the intention of God to contain his Holy Ark of the Covenant in a temple cut by hand unto his words " Heaven is my throne & earth my footstool" but for the sake of David allowed Solomon to build it, not surprisingly it never found rest in it, meant to dwell in the hearts of men (Ye are the temple of the living God) so became removed & the temple destroyed, The only reason for the 2nd temple was for the Messiah to enter it, finding it Corrupted used the whip to overturn the TABLES, the tables of the leavens of the Pharisees (Jew) & Herod (Gentiles), the leavens of the LAW/FAITH resp After which the temple was destroyed before which was filled with Zeus
Now, intending to rebuild the 3rd temple only to be filled with man made hinduism (Egypt) & its 33 million gods, veiled in THEOSOPHY mingled with FREEMASONRY, the White house rather the White Horse of the Apoclapse, its political seat, reveals Zechariah 5, incidentally the two lamb like horns off the 2nd Beast of revelations, except that which restrains the rebuilding are the Muslims, rather Islam, till the restrainer be taken out of the way & the temple to be filled with the said Abominations, lead to the serpents Lie at Eden "Ye be as gods" (without God) Man as God to the Abomination of Desolation as spoken by Prophet Daniel, ushering in the Day of the Lord (Joel)
These events are condensed in the prophecy of 2 Thessoionians 2 ,
Have you ever heard of Otis Sellers? Someone very dear to me reads him stuff only to help her interpret scripture and a lot of what he teaches is questioning to me.
The argument from Hebrews 12 appears powerful, but considering the original hearers would soon be shaken by the destruction of the Herodion temple and Roman persecution, there is historical, contextual potentiality that your dogmatism seems to dismiss.
Historicism was before and is of Christ. It's what all Protestant Churches used back then. Today they have been deceived by the Devil through the Papacy on 7 hills Rev 17:9, Vatican City.
Seattle is on 7 hills, too. 🫤
@@richardbaranzini8805 does Seattle has a Church which killed 50 million Christians for 1260 years? Is there a Church who's head claim to be Christ substitute and profess to forgive sins?
Your discussion is pleasant to listen too but I do wish you could listen to some sections and imagine that you are "just" a Bible believing Christian without all the trappings of denominational persons , contact, and jargon. You used so many initials and somewhat specialty words absolutely foreign to this "just" a Christian fellow. I can not believe the New Testament Christians in the first century would have had a clue about much of your discussion.
Word search
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Jesus 625 Jesus 221
Christ 60 Christ 395
Kingdom 127 Kingdom 14
Law 41 Law 135
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Spirit 66 Spirit 130
Believe 140 Believe 61
Faith 29 Faith 139
Grace 5 Grace 91
Church 3 Church 42
Baptism/ baptize 70 Baptism/ baptize 16
Gentiles 17 Gentiles 50
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Trust 4 Trust 19
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1Cor 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;
The word dispensation does not mean the same thing that the doctrine teaches.
Joseph carter I am curious only when I ask how is John MacArthur corrupt?
He isn’t
John Mac Arthur does not believe that the blood of Jesus saves. Look it up.
Who do you believe "all Israel" is in Romans 11:26?
I noticed I have received no answers so I will answer it myself. Paul uses "Israel" to refer to national ethnic Israel 9 times in a row starting in Romans 9:27 and culminating in Romans 11:26. I challenge all postmillennialists and amillennialists to show me one example of Israel meaning something else in that section. If none of you do so, I will assume you agree with me.
What contextual clue do you offer that Paul isn't referring to national ethnic Israel in Romans 11:26? Paul explains that a "partial hardening" happened to Israel in Romans 11:25. Would John Calvin claim this is the church? One verse later Calvin claims "all Israel" is the church. The absurdity of this poor exegesis is seen when we look two verses later (11:28) and see they are "enemies of the gospel for your sake." If Calvin is right that "all Israel" is the church in Romans 11:26, then they are also "enemies of the gospel" (vs. 28). How can the church, comprised of believers in the gospel, be enemies of the gospel?
Sadly, the attack on classical dispensationalism is largely and attack on what no longer exists. I am a premillennialist who agrees with the reformed that salvation has always been by faith alone in Christ alone (John 8:56; Rom. 4:3). I believe that regeneration precedes faith (John 6:44; Titus 3:5). I believe that both Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ are the "one new man" (Eph. 2:15) and that only believers in Christ (whether Jew or Gentile) will inherit Christ's Kingdom.
I don't believe there is a distinction between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God. I don't believe the gospels are for one group, while the epistles are for another group. I do believe, however, in good exegesis. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that believers will initially reign upon the earth in resurrected bodies, as the verses in Rev. 5:10; 20:4 promise, are doing poor exegesis.
Those who don't believe in a future restoration of Israel are attacking the promises of God and are unable to do solid exegesis. For example, partial preterists claim the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70 A.D. The Parousia of Christ is mentioned 4 times in this text (Matt. 24:3, 27, 37, 39). The apostle Paul teaches that the Parousia is the event in which believers are given their resurrected bodies (1 Cor. 15:22-23; 1 Thess. 4:15-18). So, either you're a partial preterist and you have to claim there will be two "Parousias" separated by thousands of years (brilliant!), or you have to be a full preterist and claim the resurrection already happened in 70 A.D. and commit the same heresy as Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Tim. 2:17-18) (even more brilliant!). Can some partial preterist on this site explain how the 16 usages of Parousia for Christ's coming can refer to two comings separated by thousands of years? Can you explain why the Parousia Paul mentions in 1 Cor. 15:23 is different than the Parousia mentioned in the Olivet Discourse? Can some full preterist explain to me why the nations are not going up to Jerusalem to worship Christ as promised in Zechariah 14:16-17?
The poor eschatology of amillennialism and postmillennialism should be "left behind."
It's Jews and Gentiles who believe in Christ. It's spiritual Israel....not literally physical Israel.
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How can "spiritual Israel" be partially hardened in Romans 11:25 and enemies of the gospel for the sake of Gentile believers in Romans 11:28?
40:45 - massive assertion made hehehe
Paraphrase
"NT speaking of being Jewish as not an ethnic distinction, but based on belief in Christ."
This is a discussion of Romans 11. This a massive leap that was just stated in passing. You have to prove that.
Great discussion ! Always charitable and informing
Episode 666 how fitting