I have battled for roughly 6 years to understand revelation. Thats how long ive been a Christian. I am currently an convinced Amillenial partial preterist ( for last couple of years) and once i found out that you were teaching this on here, sir, i was, and am, so grateful. I just graduated Bible college and plan to devour this series. Thankyou so much. Praise Christ.
@@GoreBruce This is how I understand the word "soon" or "near" in certain verses from Revelation 1 such as in verses 1 to 3: "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near." ( REVISED STANDARD VERSION ) I understand that the message was delivered to the very original recipients of the book which were the first-century christians. And that it is unlikely that they were told something like "the message will be more relevant for the last generation of Christians before Christ's second coming. We're not the last generation yet". It is likely they didn't imagine nor expect it that there would be so many generations after them. Of course the time wasn't near for them because nearly 2000 years went by but the end of the world hasn't come till this day. That means the only way that word "soon" or "near" should be understood is from God's perspective. That based on a verse from 2 Peter 3 which says one day for Him is like one thousand years to us.
This believer is absolutely loving these videos. Thank you for posting them online as I don't have the money to attend bible college. May the Lord bless you abundantly, may His face shine upon you.
If you watch through his videos.. odds are a Bible college will teach you from the Scofield Reference Bible. Or at least hold to his teachings in the footnotes. Beautifully done Bruce. You have such a loving cander, but I bet it still creates lashing out at you. His word's sharper than any sword, the truth will stand up to any attack.
This is like a breath of fresh air. Finally, Revelation makes sense. Thank you, Bruce, I wish I had discovered preterism 40 years ago, my life would have been far simpler.
Revelations is starting to make sense. It was always gibberish to me ... now with a context to frame it in, it is coming together into something that is coherent and sensible.
@@TheJpep2424to be fair neither are "Protestant" churches who are utterly Lawless. "The Son of Man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Matthew 13:41-42 When Protestants preach Lawlessness they are preaching the Anti-Christ. Catholics are idolaters but Protestants are even more blasphemous.
@@ChristinaFromTH-cam we preach a New Everlasting Covenant with 2 Commandments and 1048 additional commands and instructions. The Mosaic Law never promised salvation with eternal life, only prolonged stay in the land, rain and Devine protection from Israel's enemies. I came with curses, exile by the sword, famine and pestilence. I'm guessing you're in one of the legalistic cults or Jewish. Either cult or Jewish your still condemned in the law.
@@rickhuntling7338 "Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it. 15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. Deuteronomy 30 God himself says its not too difficult for us to obey him. He also says its the difference in Life or Death. Actually listening to Jesus is a cult now? "Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and their faith in Jesus." Revelation 14:12 Rome herself is the cult. The Whore of Babylon.
I have believed early Revelation for a long time--never understood it as presented so clearly here-- God Bless you Bruce-- I may be late to the party but I can still have some cake!
You can enjoy his inferior cakes cooked with the dung that cometh out of Bruce; Ezek. 4:12. Rev. 12:1 fulfilled on September 23rd 2017. Rev. 2:4 was the Holocaust with 1\3rd of the Jews cast to the earth (Gen. 22:17). The constellation dragon in Rev. 12:3 has Ursa Minor in its tail where the swastika symbol originated. The ALS Muslim dragon with seven heads tried and failed to devour the woman aka Israel's newborn nation the day it was born.
If this man isn't filled with the Spirit I don't know my name. Where have you been, Mr Gore? Nine years ago and I am just finding this... speaking of time and space. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Bless the Lord, Oh my soul!
@@joshportie Maybe you are confused because you have been indoctrinated to believe the futuristic belief that is hardly 200 years old? Check out the background of liars like John Darby and C.I. Scofield, then check out the new teachers who use and abuse the book of Revelation in order to sell books and deceive the church.
@@joshportie There is no way that a contemporary who reads John's Revelation for the first time would understand the symbolism. The first century believers in Asia Minor, to whom it was written (it wasn't written to us), would have understood it because they understood their times. Furthermore they understood apocalyptic language as directly calling them back to OT texts.
I learned from Robert Godfrey's Church History series that Jewish people made up around 20% of the empire. That's a huge number, and helps me understand why Jerusalem was so wealthy and important. It also explains why its destruction was so cataclysmic. Though I'm not post-mil, I'm learning a lot, and I can say that I'm not at all opposed to it's position. Thank you for all the vids you have posted here, they are an invaluable resource.
Thank you so much Mr Gore for your lectures... I'm looking forward to this one indeed... I literally had to pause ⏸ the 1st part to comment... Yes sir! The book of Revelation... Definitely Mystifying and of course as every book of the Word of God, I want to handle with care!! But, still have hesitation when studying this amazing Book of Revelation... Here goes...😊🙏
Thank you so much Bruce wow I can't imagine the time you put into this I was so so confused about Revelation I had just ignored it but I am going through everyone of your lessons God bless
Thank you Pastor Gore. Thank you for the insight that I may learn better so that I could see..in Christ the Savior I am trying to translate this wonderful book to Farsi. I find myself in the sea of information that talks about oceans that is Christ. I am humbled, grateful for swimming this oceans of love deeper further. Thank you for sharing this treasure. mother Vida
I am getting obsessed with your lectures Mr. Bruce. You are brilant. I was planning to go bible school to learn the church history. Now I made my mind and I am just gonna engulf your lectures. I wish every Christian have a basic knowledge of the church history. I dont we would have made the mistakes we are making. Thank you sir. May God bless you.
Bruce You spoke of the harlot city and I was hopeful. You spoke of Hal being wrong and my hope doubled but then you went to Rome and while the history lesson was interesting the narrative reminded me again of Lindsey. You said Revelation left you bewildered and I share that experience with you even at the same time in history we are brothers in time…I was baffled by Revelation and as so many fascinated. I wanted, needed to understand this strange book; and then there was The Late Grate Planet Earth. Countdown to Armageddon, and a third book I can’t remember the title of off hand, I could look it up but it’s not that important. Reading them I finally had clarity… then better equipped I went back to scripture and all that I thought I understood vanished like a morning mist in the sun. I could hold onto understanding as long as I held to the books authored by Hal Lindsey, but what I wanted was clarity of scripture. Stepping from his book back into His book I was just as lost as I had been before. I think you will agree that the point of teaching is to open the mind of the student? To help them think rather than to simply dump dialog on them? If Hal was teaching me then why was I still so mystified with this book? It took many years but I have come to be at peace with Revelation and I want to share this with you. I want to do that because I do see you as a brother. Daniel is not the first prophet to speak on end times but he is one that cannot be ignored. He provides some of the largest sections of the puzzle. When I build a puzzle I start with the edge, and Daniel gives us those pieces to this puzzle. Seventy weeks are appointed unto your people and your holy city ….. There it is the stage has been set. I enjoy the theatre. I have seen some opera, a bit of ballet, stage plays, and I bring this up because while they share similarities, I don’t expect Shakespeare during a performance of the nutcracker. The stage like a puzzle has a defined limit and what is outside is not part. The players depend on the drama or vice versa and Daniel is told and shares the fact that this drama is unfolding in Jerusalem and the story is about his people and that city. Now it is true that Rome played a certain historical part in Jerusalem’s past; it’s like picking up a puzzle peace, looking around to see if it fits, and so does it, if so where? The drama begins with the going forth of the order to rebuild the city. If it was a play and I have been to the passion play in Drumheller Alberta there would be a set. It would be that city at the time of Yeshua’s first coming, and everything would lead up to the climax of the first act. If you were looking at Daniels script what would you say is the climax that takes place on that first set? I would say it must be the entering of the King; and the subsequent crucifixion. Then there would be a scene change. Curtain comes down…intermission. A lot of people don’t read the programs and so they get lost when it comes to opera in particular. If it’s a prophecy of seventy weeks and sixty nine until Messiah comes….what happens to the last week? The curtain is down and they change the set but what is going on while that happens. People go to the bathroom they get a drink have a conversation stretch some smoke….no one thinks that’s part of the play. It is part of the evening of the experience but not the show. What happens in our play called Revelation after the curtain comes down on the first act? The city is sacked raised to the ground, scene change, but it is not part of the play. In the Olivet discourse there are two questions asked and answered. One is concerning end of days and the other of the city and its end. Yeshua answered both but one is Shakespeare and the other the Nutcracker. Understanding the players, the motivations, the setting is key to any drama. Mystery Babylon as an example if seen as Rome changes everything if the alternative is Jerusalem…. I would contended based on the program given it must be Jerusalem and if it is Rome as so many insist then what do you do with the description later that said; in her was found the blood of prophets? 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. You pointed out that Yeshua said Jerusalem kills the prophets and He adds it is not possible that one could be killed outside of that city…. I say Bruce the first act took place in that city and so too will the second act. The ten kings I find interesting because while everybody agrees that the beast we are seeing has ten horns they ignore how we got there…. There were these kings call them the ignored kings/horns and three of them are ripped up by the root? What why? When? Where? No one seems to care they are the ignored kings. Then one rises to power it was this rise that caused three to fall, and then there were ten….. I am guessing you’re a history teacher? We are entering into the realm of maths but they are simple maths if you add one and that equals ten what did you start with (9) If you subtract three and that equals nine what do you start with (12) if the play and players are centered on Israel is 12 a significant number? And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits. What are we looking at here? The woman is Jerusalem what is this sitting? I see her as raised up, resting on depending on. Further these kings are not only raising her up there is a definite sense that they are in a line of succession… , even he is the eighth, and is of the seven. Did the Caesars of Rome raise up Jerusalem? Incidentally there were already seven and they are currently all dead. When we consider Revelation we should begin by identifying each player, and we should do that, I’m sure you will agree through scripture, not conjecture, not traditions, not by current events. Had the church fathers done so in the beginning and recognized that without a stage you can’t have a play they might have said we don’t know when the end will come but we are sure we need a city of Jerusalem and a temple in that city before it can come. We need a man to take the place of Messiah that is the one we as a nation have been waiting for to be king….to give us the worldly things we want. To enter that temple, Gods house, and lay claim to it along with His city and people. We don’t know when that will happen but the program says this is what the play is about so we do know it is what will happen…..That these same people, Gods people of whom He says I am a Husband, will commit fornication. They will as Yeshua said when one comes in his own name accept him as their king their anointed of God. They will glorify him to the whole world and the world will become drunk on the wine of her fornication…. The play has already been written. The second act is about to begin. Raise curtain what will the set look like? Daniel seven gives us a look at the second act….but this is getting long.
Patrick Edgington Very well said Patrick. These type of messages can seem very convincing when you first hear them. Just some digging into the Word of God, exposes many flaws in their theories.
I am enjoying your videos. They help me with my daily studies. I've read through the bible countless times over the years, I get something new each time.🕊️🙏🏼 May our Father bless your endeavors.
Excellent historical overview. Thanks Bruce and the rest of the team for putting this series together. Looking forward to following the rest of the lectures and making sense of this great book.
I’m living (more like being stuck) in HK currently. Great to see the city’s name being mentioned. God Bless you Bruce for your gift in teaching. Love every single lesson you give.
@A Baker the city is following China’s zero covid tolerance policy… this makes traveling very difficult because I will go insane in a room by myself for 7 days! (It used to be 21 days…😓).
Not only does Jerusalem sit on 7 hills, which is almost NEVER even brought up, but scripture itself says that mystery babylon is JERUSALEM! that is why it was JERUSALEM who was punished and received the curses in the book of Revelation, which John wrote BEFORE 70AD, as to what was about to happen to the harlot Jerusalem. Yes Rome was a type of harlot, yes the catholic church is a type, but scripture is speaking of Jerusalem. It says it point blank, yet many wont accept it and then return to labeling this upon Rome. Rome was the 4th beast of Daniel. But the iron mixed with clay, was Rome mixing with Israel, in the holy land of Jerusalem.
Here is the issue Bruce does not ever weigh the possibility that he could be wrong about the timing of Revelation and the framing of eschatology. A good attorney and detective weighs all views examine the pros and cons of each view. Let the last two verses of Revelation govern their teaching on Revelations. There is a very heavy punishment on those who ADD to the words of Revelation.
I would like to point out one little piece of historical data which will support your argument for an early date of the book of Revelation, and it has to do with Domitian. Everyone quotes Ireneaus and gives the book a 90’s date, because obviously that is when Domitian reigned. However (and this is a BIG however), watch this: Domitian’s father was Vespasian. Vespasian is the one who originally laid siege to Jerusalem as general under Nero in A.D. 66. In December of 69 Vespasian was elected Emperor. His eldest son Titus took charge of the Jerusalem seige, while his younger son Domitian resided in Rome. But here is the important point: it took him nearly six months to make his way from Jerusalem and Egypt (where he was securing foodstuff for his soldiers) to Rome. During this half year space, Domitian ruled in the stead of his father! During this six months, Domitian was brutal, exiling many people, establishing harsh persecutions, and generally causing chaos. When his father arrived, he reversed many of Domitian’s orders and restored many exiles to freedom. AND SO - Iranaeus tells us John wrote during the reign of Domitian…and he is correct - during the short 6 months reign of Domitian in A.D. 69/70. After Vespasian’s death, his eldest son Titus ruled, and after his death Domitian came to the throne in his own full right - in 96. But he was there, representing his father - in 69! This changes everything, yes? Details can be found in the Annals of Tacitus. A less trustworthy verification can be found in the wikipedia articles on Vespasian and Domitian.
Because the fulfillment of prophecy was a long way off. Which is why Revelation 22:10 is in contrast to it because the fulfillment of prophecy was a close.
I think Daniel is clear that the culmination of the Messiah coming. That prophecy and vision would end and that a NEW holy place would be ordained, which is Christ. The Temple of his body. The old system would stop forever and be replaced. As a kid I was always taught that the apostolic miracles ended under Nero. Pretty sure that’s settled church dogma for millennia. If that’s the case, then John must write the book before the prophecy and visions ended or Daniel 9:24 becomes a stumbling block.
Awesome teaching, but I think I disagree with the final implication of Jesus being violent/wrathful in the traditional sense. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and keep listening, but I think that John intentionally used very violent imagery against the almost comedic backdrop of a gentle lamb to put to shame the violence that is typical of human empire. To steal from Daniel, the other nations of history instigated beastlike terror with the use of violence and oppression. The just, humane Son of Man ("human being," in contrast to the beasts) ushers in a just and worshiping society based on the sword of TRUTH (which divides soul from spirit, according to Hebrews and Luke). He conquers nations without the use of violence. The "lion" of Judah who is worthy to open the scroll of Life is, in fact, the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. I think what John is doing in Revelation 19 - in his description of the conquering king - is offering a satirical image of Jesus riding into Jerusalem on a baby colt/donkey. Whereas the world's rulers subdue their enemies by riding into their lands upon grand stallions, brandishing swords and accompanied by armies, Jesus rode into the land of His "enemies" - the harlot city, on a donkey, with the sword of His mouth - God's truth. Because He has not resorted to the world's "way," He has indeed conquered the nations, and continues to exert authority over the world.
This was a very good observation, well thought out. However, the seven woes oracles in Mt. 23. Very condemning speaking as a lamb or as the Lion from the tribe of Judah. This was their death sentence and the nation as well. See the "wrath of the lamb" Rev.6:16.
Really appreciate your teaching. I’ve been frustrated with learning and understanding scripture (Revelation is hard) but so much seems like we are the problem. I’ve been learning more about Christianity at the time of our founding. The 1700’s seem so positive but the 1800’s appear so corrupt. (I saw a vid by you last night when I couldn’t sleep but it was on the 1800’s so didn’t help!) I’ll have to see if you have made your presentation available so I can do a better job of capturing you teaching.
I have many I would recommend, but if you are looking for a good general introduction, I highly encourage you to take a look at Chilton's Paradise Restored: www.amazon.com/Paradise-Restored-Biblical-Theology-Dominion/dp/0930462521/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535639785&sr=8-1&keywords=paradise+restored+david+chilton Thanks!
@@DonCornelius366 Bruce Gore is a Professor of religion at Whitworth University where he has been teaching for over 30 years. This is a taped lecture. You watched the video, yes?
An outstanding book on the Dispensationalism heresy is: "Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth" by Dr. John Gertsner. It is available on Amazon. Make sure you get the second addition.
Bruce Gore It's amazing that you're responding to comments. I imagine you're a busy guy. A) Have enjoyed your videos and you've rapidly become one of my fav teachers. Can I recommend the works of Chuck Missler? He's another top shelf bible scholar with perspectives that might enrich yours. Im thinking a specifically in the studies of the 7 churches (Rev). You seem to skip the prophetic fulfillment of them, though you fully grasp the other 3 applications (historical, congregational, and personal).
I hope you continue to post the rest of this series. The Apocalypse is one of my favorites. I should be interesting to see where we agree and disagree on points. So far, we mostly agree. I do not, however, agree with the notion that, because the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE is the main subject, that the book was necessarily written prior to the event. It could have be composed ex-eventu. Looking forward to seeing more.
The Temple of Solomon (annual sun) is the human body. Temple is "built" in seven years (seven months) beginning with April/Taurus. It is alway "destroyed" in 70 A.D (7). upon completion (end of summer of seven months) every year. Biblical Herod is not a person but the "hero of the path" = the apparent movement of the sun through the 12 signs of the Mazzaroth.
I'm curious about how he was able to smuggle this book out of prison and what the penalty was if one would be caught doing so. Francis Bacon once said, “Read not to believe and take for granted, nor to contradict and confute, but to weigh and consider.” I have been a Prederist for thirty plus years and I cannot see this book as prophetic (I mean it does not speak of the future). The Revelation of Jesus Christ are the first five words that tell the whole story. To my understanding, it reveals his nature and his work on earth and his permanent reign in the dimension we call Heaven. Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. The same yesterday, today, and forever. The Holy Spirit can only live in an environment of Empathy and Compassion, and Mercy; what we know as Love. We have extra help to stay on his path. Moses fed the tribes the flesh and blood of the villages that they destroyed along the way, including those in Egypt (Exo 12:35; 36). They gave everything they had to spare their lives, that's the real reason they were chased by the Pharaoh. They seemed to lack Empathy and Compassion even for each other. They were the children of blood and war and worshiped might and power. Gen 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. Gen 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall. Gen 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel. Exo 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. "The lessons from the history are, so long as pride, ambition, and revenge are harboured, men will ever scheme afresh to their own hurt." - Faussat The blood thirsty god of Moses was a man of war and Yeshua guided them into the land of Canaan; But our God is a man of Peace, Yeshua, who guides us to his abode. The law of reciprocity was in full effect in choosing his name (Matt 1:21), that's for certain. From the taker of life to the giver of life. Yeshua is the Hebrew name for the Greek Iesus, and its English spelling is "Joshua." The translators seem to love making the simple complicated. When my perspective changed, the meaning became clear. No mystery to me anymore, by his blood we are redeemed. I like his ways and i'm thankful that I can spend eternity in Rapture now that the old man died and as a new man, Resurrected from the dead (Eph 2:1).
Bruce, I am one of those who believe Revelation was written before 70 AD, but the best evidence for those who believe it was written after 70 AD is found in Revelation 2:13. It speaks of a person named Antipas who history says was martyred after 70 AD. Bruce do you, or does anyone reading this have information that counters that? Thanks
JD Williams...I was always under the impression that John wrote Revelation (or died, cant remember) in 95AD. For more info, see Bruce Gore's reply to 'Really Fun' above.
This question has puzzled me for ages. If Nero was the sixth and Galba was the seventh and Last. Where does Ottho and Vitellius fit in, aren’t they the 8th and 9th. The Flavian dynasty doesn’t start until Vespasian comes in. So in Revelation it says 5 have been , one is (Nero) and one is to come!!! But there was 3 to come Galba, Ottho and Vitellius. Can someone actually explain this properly. I know my history pretty well, so please don’t spin junk to me. Appreciate an informed answer.
It is a fair question. You may know that I am doing a verse by verse study of Revelation as part of this series. We are currently finishing up chapter 9. The text you refer to is in chapter 17. I am aware of the problem you reference, and will treat the matter in detail when we reach that chapter. If I gave a brief response here, it would certainly strike you as inadequate, and a comprehensive answer would require more space than is practical in this context. I hope you will be patient.
Nero, as I have read, committed suicide, the army wanted to kill him, but he cut his own throat after his servant refused to kill him...they were going to flog him to death.
I am trying to learn more about history in its relation to the Bible and Christianity. So my question is : If Antipas was martyred in Pergamum in 92, how can the book of Revelation be written in 65? (Rev 2:13) I am flustered, can you please help me reconcile my thoughts. Update: not sure if my response was seen. Where can Ii look to get find the correct information about Antipas?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipas_of_Pergamum, www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2010/04/saint-antipas-martyr-of-apocalypse.html Wikipedia is were lots of info (be it right or wrong) is usually the first site to check. I looked around a lot, saw a few more sites in searching for the answer and didn't see many with a date, none really say an earlier one. I just started (less then week in) looking into the history of the Bible. So I seek out the wisdom of one dedicated to the topic. (meaning you:) My question was only for discerning the truth. Currently, I am of the belief Revalation is part history's past but partly the future, so until further study I am open to keeping an open mind.
As far as I can determine there is no documented record of a death of a Martyr in Pergamum in 95. This is simply an assumption made by those who understand Irenaeus to teach that Revelation was written in the late first century, a theory that has been challenged by a number of competent scholars.
Hello Bruce, what is your opinion about John the Divine's death as the Church say he died 100AD. Do you think he died earlier because Mary is recorded dying 41AD. I realised that if Revelation was correct then he would have been raptured along with the Jewish Christians or died before the start of the War of the Jews. Appreciate your thoughts on this.
There is reasonable support for the theory that John lived in Ephesus well into the late first century and cared for Mary during those years. It is likely they both died of natural causes, but Catholics affirm the 'assumption' of Mary on dogmatic grounds.
I don't know if this has been asked but @ 17:21 Dr Gore says Jesus was born in 4 B.C. - there must be some explanation of how this is possible because @ 1 AD Jesus would be 5 yrs old.
The original calendar was worked out by a 2nd century astronomer named Ptolemy. He appears to have miscalculated the year of Jesus' birth by 2 to 4 years or so, so it is commonly accepted that Jesus was born just a few years before the year zero.
King Herod died 4 BC, so Christ had to be born by at least that year, so 4 BC is what I accept. So if he was born 4 Bc in 27 Ad he was 30 which luke says in 3. 23 at his baptism, died 31 , so 70 weeks of Daniel 9 end in 34 AD
Revelation is all symbolic and is about the time of the end. Wonderful book about destruction of Christendom false religion . Favourite scripture is “ and death will be no more neither crying nor morning anymore”.
A key to understanding Yeshua's Revelation is knowing that It's heavily influenced by Moses' Lamentation of Deuteronomy 31-32. In fact, much of the NT is influenced by Moses' Lamentation, as is the OT. He warned about the end of Israel's national statehood if Israel rebelled against the Mosaic Constitution. The Song of Moses referenced in Revelation is Deuteronomy 31-32, not Exodus 15.
I have been mesmerized by your video series for about the last two or three months. I am especially enamored with your knowledge of ancient history, and as a matter of fact, I play your videos all week almost everyday. I will however contend with you as it pertain to your biblical interpretations. As much as it pains me to say this sir but these projectories are not biblically sound. Who am I, well I'm just a regular ole guy with a couple of years of college, a bunch of certificates and certifications in various genres, with a little experience and talents here and there. You however appear to be a world class historian / anthropologist equal to anyone anywhere. I do however think that you are stepping out of your league when you attempt to interpret the Scriptures. This is not a put down just an observation. I mean hey, we can't be great at all things equally. I know you're going to pull out a cannon and blow my fool head off but I gotta call it as I see it especially when I'm dealing with a genius like you. As heavyweight Larry Holmes said about footballer Ed too tall Jones when he attempted to cross over into boxing quote, he was alright until he took that helmet off.
I've been studying scripture for 40 years. The Lord brought me to see a long time ago that Premillenial views are NOT sound doctrine despite the sincerity of those who hold them. Apostolic teaching that is sound says that Christ's kingdom is NOW. The most solid scriptural evidence for this is found in Acts 2, in Peter's address to the crowd after the Holy Spirit fell on the gathering of believers. THIS IS THE FIRST ANOINTED MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS. The key verse is 2:36- "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST." Premils also tend to promote the idea that the nation of Israel currently occupying Palestine got there as part of God's plan to "bring them to Christ" in fulfillment of OT prophecy. This whole argument proceeds from a false understanding of scripture; it directly contradicts what Paul writes in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and Corinthians. Eph 2:13-22 could not be clearer regarding this doctrine- God has fulfilled his promise to Abraham in the creating of his people, the church, which is comprised of people from EVERY NATION.
Most scholars date Rev around 95 AD under Domitian. From what I have learned only a small number say it was written before the fall of Jerusalem. Just sayin'.... I believe one of the 7 churches didn't exist before 70 AD. Nicolatians aren't mentioned in any of Paul's letters, either, and he died around 67 AD. Finally, Ireneaus, who was a disciple of Polycharp who was discipled by John the Revelator said it was written during the time of Domitian. I am guessing Irenaeus's knowledge was passed down from the author, which matters. All that said, it is nice to hear another perspective, and your views are certainly worth investigating.
If you are interested in my more detailed treatment of this question, you will find it in lectures #11 and #12 of this series. Thanks for your interest.
@@brucegore4373 Thanks! I would also like to see sources for your assertions. For example, Nero's persecution of Christians outside of Rome. I understand that his move against Christians was limited to Rome. Best wishes!
Bruce. I wish to thank you for this series of lectures, and the great care you no doubt put into making them. It really shows that for you, it was a labor of love. I am looking forward to getting your book - "Historical and Chronological Context of the Bible". I am somewhat concerned however. It is obvious that your approach to eschatology is PRETERIST. No crime in that. I find much in at least "Partial-Preterism" which has strong argument; but not so much with FULL-PRETERISM; that is, suggesting the entirety of the prophecies in synoptic Olivet Discourses ( Matt.24; Mk.13; Lk.21) along with the book of Revelation being PAST-TENSE, and accomplished by AD 70. To be clear: I am NOT suggesting your are guilty of the same errors as "Hyper-Preterist" are; i.e.- wherein they say the resurrection of the dead already occurred. No, I don't think you would agree with that. Yet one thing you do seem to avoid is addressing the issue of Irenaeus' not-so "ambiguous" statement that the Apostle John penned Revelation in the latter part of Emperor Domitian's reign. Which, if true would certainly late date it's publication to some time after AD 95-96. Which, again, if true makes your preterist interpretation untenable. You promised to address the Irenaeus citation at mark 6:30 in your next session ("Letters to the Seven Churches"); but having watched it as well as the following one thoroughly, I was disappointed to find you did NOT. It does SEEM as though you may have deliberately skipped over him, since you did indeed list a number of other Early Church Fathers. None of them however could offer any clear rebuttal to your position, like Irenaeus does. Please address this when you have time.
Several people have asked that question and Gore has responded. I haven't watched them yet, but his reply says he deals with the dating of Revelation in videos #11, 12, and 13 of this series.
@@oracleoftroy Yes, I HAVE watched them, and NO he doesn't address this issue, which for many, is a silence which speaks louder than words. He has other perplexing issues to deal with however, and none of them are dealt with either. For example there is POLYCARP. He was the FIRST Bishop ("Angel") of the Church in Smyrna. A very few historians debate that. The problem for Peterist who so desperately want (NEED) to date John's writing of the BoR prior to Jerusalem's fall in AD 70 is... Polycarp was only a new-born infant when that calamitous event occurred! And by the way... even more damning to the Preterist early dating schema is the fact that there was NO Church at Smyrna yet either! All of this is solidly established historical FACT! How then could Christ be addressing him as an active Bishop ("Angel") over the Church in Smyrna? I have heard only a few attempts by Preterist to explain this, none of which hold water. The worst was one which seems to epitomize much of the Preterist hermeneutic:i.e.- SPIRITUALIZING of the texts, and events so as to fit their narrative. One Preterist "apologist" who will remain unnamed (as I have no interest in making any ad hominem attacks here)...suggested that Christ had John record his letter to Polycarp and the Smyrna Church in ANTICIPATION of that yet future day in which they would indeed exist!🙄 You know, were it not such a serious matter, I might laugh at that. But it really is no laughing matter, is it? When backed into a corner by questions which appeal to FACT and not just clever rhetoric and wishful thinking: They resort to fantasy using the most reprehensible hermeneutical gimmickry ever seen. 😕 Personally, when I witness this occurring I lose all respect for that individual. I do encourage Bruce Gore to see this and reply. 😇
@@troyfruge3309 In that case, it might be best to post a new top level reply, perhaps in the videos themselves to explain why his case is lacking. He seems active in the comments, but I don't know if he would see it buried here.
About 16:30 or so Mr. Gore explains that the seven heads represent the Herods. (The video kind of jumps here like part of it skipped.) It seems as if He is saying that it was Herod the Great PLUS the six Herods that came after him. However, there were only six Herods in total. How can six represent seven?
Well, I'm just noting the interesting and possibly significant correlation of the number and color. As to the number of Herods, you are probably not noticing that there are two 'Herod Philip' characters. One was a tetrarch. The other lived in Rome. It was the Roman Philip who lost his wife to Herod Antipas.
I am investigating the possibility that Jesus died in 37AD because of the fact that Pontius Pilate, summoned to Rome by Tiberius, left Jerusalem in 37 AD. Tiberius also died in 37 AD. If we calculate Daniels timeline we have 483 - 445 = 38.What I would like to know is, did Pontius Pilate leave immediately after Jesus' death?
Still don’t understand. So that means that the book of Revelations has been mostly fulfill. Was left? 1.Second coming of Jesus Christ 2. Final Judgement 3. Armageddon 4. Being in heaven with God for the eternity
Thank you for your thoughtful questions. For my treatment of these and related matters, please review lectures 11,12,13 of this series, available at the TH-cam Playlist: th-cam.com/video/rTqxCTu2OjM/w-d-xo.html
On one level, I believe that out of historical context, the words stand, and they are not good for the world. This might be similar to the use of 'Jacob I loved, Esau I hated': despite the 'explanation' the words remain and they are terribly divisive. I wonder if you might comment.
B Freetothink - please read Genesis 29: 30 -31 > And he (Jacob) went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years. And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, HE opened her womb: but Rachel was barren. In the eyes of God anything less than complete love is akin to hate - even preference for one over the other. It's God's preference for Jacob over Esau that is being reflected - it's not that God hates Esau ..
Love & hate is a Hebrew idiom just meaning preferring So God Chose Jacob, His Sovereignty! The main theme in The Tanack Hebrew Scriptures is The Line Of The Messiah. From The Promise in Eden to Adam and Eve until The Woman Mary conceives! By The Holy Spirit The Eternal Word Of God in her virgin womb.
Revelation is written by Apostle John in 96 C.E. so the hills and kings are not Rome and Rome's rulers. Nero ruled before Revelation is written also the Temple is destroyed before.
Yes, that is a common view based on an ambiguous text in Irenaeus, writing around the years 180 ad. For a scholarly refutation of the view see Cambridge Scholar John. A.T. Robinson, Redating the New Testament (link below). The text by Dr. Ken Gentry, 'Before Jerusalem Fell' is also very helpful. www.amazon.com/Redating-New-Testament-John-Robinson/dp/1579105270/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1HRSGKKB5JBPU&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.MsA-kvYU0IXKKfq-iltY1S7nieQWJggT2UKfredeT0vHHZzghuK0oPbmx823Pc6dEi2jyYxQuXMhcuDEaIlSR_p2yM2hqBTsWmfvs5_UgXbX2slBolSw4s6xb9NXQzVauvqLDxNG7ytHGtV71Rvhxp9hE5P6eHs-AdRlCtXbE5MPi_2ddpgrjr7ev-hf1kE3XKwY4_BNPcbbH-YT8zPzSUndMqAoIBSqsevFt3nMeQM.smz6LC8sSD-Wb6Cz6VmiyZc4wW9Sd6KrqdNPLk0RlMA&dib_tag=se&keywords=redating+the+new+testament&qid=1723471175&sprefix=redating+the+new+testament%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-1
@@GoreBruce Thank you for a scholarly reply. I am watching this series you produced because of the seventh or eighth part speaking of dispensationalism but decided to watch the whole series because of the relevance to the political systems in Anglo-American society.
Kattackal Tomsan I am also a Full Preterist. Believing Revalation was written under Nero (Early date) does not make you a preterist but it is the only date that allows Preterism. I appreciate this lecture. Even if I disagree with all his views, this was helpful.
AstronomyUpdate, I'm curious why you say that the preterist view must be written under Nero. Even though the author writes as if it is written under Nero, how could he have known that the next Caesar would only serve a short time? It seems to me that for any preterist view the later you can assume it was written the better because the fullness of the events would be better known. On the other hand, perhaps he is extrapolating that the next Caesar won't serve long because these are the signs of the times and the end is near. Perhaps he didn't know that he was actually being prophetic about the reign of the next Caesar. I suppose it if it had been written in 90AD he wouldn't have mentioned only the one short rule, but the several that followed. heh, I think I may have just answered my own question.
@Born at 33 I think I may have misunderstood the definition of Preterism at the time I wrote that comment. Upon further reading, Preterism seems to say that these prophecies are of things that have already been fulfilled, or partially fulfilled (as in the case of partial preterism), but not that they aren't prophecies at all. By that reasoning, your assertion that Revelation had to have happened before 70 AD makes perfect sense. Otherwise, the preterist interpretation that it was fulfilled in 70 AD would disqualify it from being prophecy altogether. TL;DR I missed the point that it still has to remain prophecy regardless of the degree of preterism you prescribe to.
Galba set up an image of Nero in the temple and demanded that the Jews worship it. This was the abomination of desolation prophesied by Daniel and Jesus.
@@evettebrummell1836 , Paul stated that once all was fulfilled that knowledge would decrease. Daniel stated that knowledge would increase as the events began to be fulfilled in the latter days of the old covenant. One would have had to have lived during that epoch of time to state with any surety whom the false prophet was. I am sure that there were many, many, many, false prophets at that time.
@@evettebrummell1836 , Nero was not the antichrist. John defined antichrist within a sentence or two of the first mention of antichrist. He said "They went out from us because they were not of us." This was the generation that walked the earth with Jesus and the apostles. They were the ones that abandoned the true believers because they were not willing to put their lives on the line for Messiah. The heresy of antichrist being an individual began with Irenaeus, who was not born until about fifty years after all of prophecy was fulfilled, when the temple fell in AD 70. Jesus said to call no man on earth "father." Yet, the church attached the moniker "Early Church Fathers" to men that they have very little knowledge of. Irenaeus wrote Against Heresies. I guess he was just against those that he did not fabricate. Daniel stated that knowledge would increase as the latter days of the old covenant waned down. Paul stated that once the event took place that knowledge would decrease. One would have had to have lived during that epoch of time to know for sure who the false prophet was. There were actually many, many, many, false prophets at that time. I published a book last year, A Great Revealing For All Peoples & All Nations. If you want to walk on water get a copy and read it. If you want to walk on water, you gotta get out of the boat!
The church in it's wisdom. Would that be the same wisdom that burned witches, launched murderous crusades and tortured astronomers for practicing the forbidden art of seeking truth?
I agree with this only I use historian Josephus he account the signs jesus sayed would take place as well . such as a comet for one yr straight hanging over jeruselem in that time and a star that looked like a sword as well and that a Hefer when they went to sacrifice it she gave birth to a lamb yes a lamb . ..also jesus said run to mountains matthue 24 mark 13 Luke 22 so I heard you say south , historians put they actually went to Pella and few city's up there .
I am wondering about the date of the book as 65AD when the fall of Jerusalem, which you state is crucial to the historical context of the book, took place in 70AD. Open to your insight here! Thanks
I have an entire series on Revelation as a Playlist on TH-cam. I specifically deal with the issue of the date of the writing of Revelation in lectures #11, 12, and 13 of that series. Thanks for your interest! th-cam.com/video/rTqxCTu2OjM/w-d-xo.html
All Scripture has been fulfilled by the short work of Jesus and gave the Kingdom back to God so we all have access to our Father and can all Worship God and God alone.
Imagine you belong to a church and you can attend such amazing lectures. What a gift that is.
Exactly
I have battled for roughly 6 years to understand revelation. Thats how long ive been a Christian. I am currently an convinced Amillenial partial preterist ( for last couple of years) and once i found out that you were teaching this on here, sir, i was, and am, so grateful. I just graduated Bible college and plan to devour this series. Thankyou so much. Praise Christ.
It is a blessing to me to hear from you, sir. Thanks for your kind feedback, and blessings in your ongoing studies of God's Word.
Check out Arianism. Praise the God, only Lord, not his earthly prophet, flesh and blood.
@@GoreBruce This is how I understand the word "soon" or "near" in certain verses from Revelation 1 such as in verses 1 to 3:
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near." ( REVISED STANDARD VERSION )
I understand that the message was delivered to the very original recipients of the book which were the first-century christians. And that it is unlikely that they were told something like "the message will be more relevant for the last generation of Christians before Christ's second coming. We're not the last generation yet".
It is likely they didn't imagine nor expect it that there would be so many generations after them. Of course the time wasn't near for them because nearly 2000 years went by but the end of the world hasn't come till this day. That means the only way that word "soon" or "near" should be understood is from God's perspective. That based on a verse from 2 Peter 3 which says one day for Him is like one thousand years to us.
Hi Jordan. Are you still an Amilenial partial preterist?
It took me a long time to get out from under the Scofield Bible and Vernon McGee, and I am pretty much where you are at.
This believer is absolutely loving these videos. Thank you for posting them online as I don't have the money to attend bible college. May the Lord bless you abundantly, may His face shine upon you.
My friend, a comment like yours makes it all worth it. Thank you!
Bible colleges are ran by Satan now.
If you watch through his videos.. odds are a Bible college will teach you from the Scofield Reference Bible. Or at least hold to his teachings in the footnotes.
Beautifully done Bruce. You have such a loving cander, but I bet it still creates lashing out at you. His word's sharper than any sword, the truth will stand up to any attack.
@@DFulton36 can you expand on what you mean by that?
This is like a breath of fresh air. Finally, Revelation makes sense. Thank you, Bruce, I wish I had discovered preterism 40 years ago, my life would have been far simpler.
Revelations is starting to make sense. It was always gibberish to me ... now with a context to frame it in, it is coming together into something that is coherent and sensible.
That is my sincere hope! Thank you!
@@GoreBruce Hi Is the book of revelation written in chronological order? Just a thought I had about it.
Revelation tells the same story twice, once with a focus on Christ (chapters 1 - 11), and then with a focus on God's people (12 - 22).
As an Irish catholic I'm most grateful. You are an excellent teacher. May God help you continue.
I am delighted to hear from you. Thank you!
Catholicism is not Bible Christianity.
@@TheJpep2424to be fair neither are "Protestant" churches who are utterly Lawless.
"The Son of Man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matthew 13:41-42
When Protestants preach Lawlessness they are preaching the Anti-Christ.
Catholics are idolaters but Protestants are even more blasphemous.
@@ChristinaFromTH-cam we preach a New Everlasting Covenant with 2 Commandments and 1048 additional commands and instructions. The Mosaic Law never promised salvation with eternal life, only prolonged stay in the land, rain and Devine protection from Israel's enemies. I came with curses, exile by the sword, famine and pestilence.
I'm guessing you're in one of the legalistic cults or Jewish. Either cult or Jewish your still condemned in the law.
@@rickhuntling7338 "Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed.
Deuteronomy 30
God himself says its not too difficult for us to obey him. He also says its the difference in Life or Death.
Actually listening to Jesus is a cult now?
"Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD and their faith in Jesus."
Revelation 14:12
Rome herself is the cult. The Whore of Babylon.
Fantastic teaching, thank-you so much for these free lectures.
I have believed early Revelation for a long time--never understood it as presented so clearly here-- God Bless you Bruce-- I may be late to the party but I can still have some cake!
You can enjoy his inferior cakes cooked with the dung that cometh out of Bruce; Ezek. 4:12.
Rev. 12:1 fulfilled on September 23rd 2017.
Rev. 2:4 was the Holocaust with 1\3rd of the Jews cast to the earth (Gen. 22:17). The constellation dragon in Rev. 12:3 has Ursa Minor in its tail where the swastika symbol originated. The ALS Muslim dragon with seven heads tried and failed to devour the woman aka Israel's newborn nation the day it was born.
If this man isn't filled with the Spirit I don't know my name. Where have you been, Mr Gore? Nine years ago and I am just finding this... speaking of time and space. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Bless the Lord, Oh my soul!
You are the best bible teacher I have ever seen! Thank you for the free access!
Superb teaching. This is what we need, good sound historical biblical teaching. Only this perspective can truly make sense of the book of Revelation.
Revelation interprets itself.
This is a misinterpretation im sorry.
@@joshportie Maybe you are confused because you have been indoctrinated to believe the futuristic belief that is hardly 200 years old? Check out the background of liars like John Darby and C.I. Scofield, then check out the new teachers who use and abuse the book of Revelation in order to sell books and deceive the church.
Steve Zane it is. You know it when you hear it
@@joshportie There is no way that a contemporary who reads John's Revelation for the first time would understand the symbolism. The first century believers in Asia Minor, to whom it was written (it wasn't written to us), would have understood it because they understood their times. Furthermore they understood apocalyptic language as directly calling them back to OT texts.
I learned from Robert Godfrey's Church History series that Jewish people made up around 20% of the empire. That's a huge number, and helps me understand why Jerusalem was so wealthy and important. It also explains why its destruction was so cataclysmic. Though I'm not post-mil, I'm learning a lot, and I can say that I'm not at all opposed to it's position. Thank you for all the vids you have posted here, they are an invaluable resource.
I love Bruce's teaching. I always learn so much from him.
simply fantastic the explanation about the temple of Jerusalem and the old and new Jerusalem -
Khoda ra shokr: thankful for your teachings Pastor B. Hallelujah for you ✝️
Thank you so much Mr Gore for your lectures... I'm looking forward to this one indeed... I literally had to pause ⏸ the 1st part to comment... Yes sir! The book of Revelation... Definitely Mystifying and of course as every book of the Word of God, I want to handle with care!! But, still have hesitation when studying this amazing Book of Revelation... Here goes...😊🙏
I feel the same way about Revelation...so glad to be listening to this. thank you! :-)
Bruce this should be Bible study required for every church!
Thanks, but I know a few folks who would disagree with that!
Thank you so much Bruce wow I can't imagine the time you put into this I was so so confused about Revelation I had just ignored it but I am going through everyone of your lessons God bless
I am delighted to hear that. Thank you!
Thank you Pastor Gore. Thank you for the insight that I may learn better so that I could see..in Christ the Savior I am trying to translate this wonderful book to Farsi. I find myself in the sea of information that talks about oceans that is Christ. I am humbled, grateful for swimming this oceans of love deeper further. Thank you for sharing this treasure. mother Vida
May God richly bless you in your labors! Thank you!
BRUCE what a blessing you're a great scholar & Christian gentleman to boot.
We're going to show your excellent lectures in our homeschool class !
I am delighted! Thank you!
I am appreciating these so much thank you indeed.
Thank you for this teaching. The eye opener for this book which was a little mystery earlier.
What a great Bible disposition well appreciated
You not alone Sir, I felt the same when I had that conviction to study this Book of Revelation
I am getting obsessed with your lectures Mr. Bruce. You are brilant. I was planning to go bible school to learn the church history. Now I made my mind and I am just gonna engulf your lectures. I wish every Christian have a basic knowledge of the church history. I dont we would have made the mistakes we are making. Thank you sir. May God bless you.
I am very grateful for your kind feedback, but my lectures are no substitute for Bible school, my friend, if you ever have that opportunity.
@@GoreBruce where do you live Mr. Gore? In case if you are in my city
I live in Spokane, Washington. Thanks for your interest!
I live in vancouver, WA. I hope to meet you in person one day
Bruce You spoke of the harlot city and I was hopeful. You spoke of Hal being wrong and my hope doubled but then you went to Rome and while the history lesson was interesting the narrative reminded me again of Lindsey.
You said Revelation left you bewildered and I share that experience with you even at the same time in history we are brothers in time…I was baffled by Revelation and as so many fascinated. I wanted, needed to understand this strange book; and then there was The Late Grate Planet Earth. Countdown to Armageddon, and a third book I can’t remember the title of off hand, I could look it up but it’s not that important. Reading them I finally had clarity… then better equipped I went back to scripture and all that I thought I understood vanished like a morning mist in the sun. I could hold onto understanding as long as I held to the books authored by Hal Lindsey, but what I wanted was clarity of scripture. Stepping from his book back into His book I was just as lost as I had been before.
I think you will agree that the point of teaching is to open the mind of the student? To help them think rather than to simply dump dialog on them? If Hal was teaching me then why was I still so mystified with this book?
It took many years but I have come to be at peace with Revelation and I want to share this with you. I want to do that because I do see you as a brother.
Daniel is not the first prophet to speak on end times but he is one that cannot be ignored. He provides some of the largest sections of the puzzle. When I build a puzzle I start with the edge, and Daniel gives us those pieces to this puzzle.
Seventy weeks are appointed unto your people and your holy city ….. There it is the stage has been set. I enjoy the theatre. I have seen some opera, a bit of ballet, stage plays, and I bring this up because while they share similarities, I don’t expect Shakespeare during a performance of the nutcracker. The stage like a puzzle has a defined limit and what is outside is not part.
The players depend on the drama or vice versa and Daniel is told and shares the fact that this drama is unfolding in Jerusalem and the story is about his people and that city.
Now it is true that Rome played a certain historical part in Jerusalem’s past; it’s like picking up a puzzle peace, looking around to see if it fits, and so does it, if so where?
The drama begins with the going forth of the order to rebuild the city. If it was a play and I have been to the passion play in Drumheller Alberta there would be a set. It would be that city at the time of Yeshua’s first coming, and everything would lead up to the climax of the first act. If you were looking at Daniels script what would you say is the climax that takes place on that first set? I would say it must be the entering of the King; and the subsequent crucifixion. Then there would be a scene change. Curtain comes down…intermission.
A lot of people don’t read the programs and so they get lost when it comes to opera in particular.
If it’s a prophecy of seventy weeks and sixty nine until Messiah comes….what happens to the last week? The curtain is down and they change the set but what is going on while that happens. People go to the bathroom they get a drink have a conversation stretch some smoke….no one thinks that’s part of the play. It is part of the evening of the experience but not the show.
What happens in our play called Revelation after the curtain comes down on the first act? The city is sacked raised to the ground, scene change, but it is not part of the play. In the Olivet discourse there are two questions asked and answered. One is concerning end of days and the other of the city and its end. Yeshua answered both but one is Shakespeare and the other the Nutcracker.
Understanding the players, the motivations, the setting is key to any drama. Mystery Babylon as an example if seen as Rome changes everything if the alternative is Jerusalem….
I would contended based on the program given it must be Jerusalem and if it is Rome as so many insist then what do you do with the description later that said; in her was found the blood of prophets?
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
You pointed out that Yeshua said Jerusalem kills the prophets and He adds it is not possible that one could be killed outside of that city….
I say Bruce the first act took place in that city and so too will the second act.
The ten kings I find interesting because while everybody agrees that the beast we are seeing has ten horns they ignore how we got there…. There were these kings call them the ignored kings/horns and three of them are ripped up by the root? What why? When? Where? No one seems to care they are the ignored kings. Then one rises to power it was this rise that caused three to fall, and then there were ten…..
I am guessing you’re a history teacher? We are entering into the realm of maths but they are simple maths if you add one and that equals ten what did you start with (9) If you subtract three and that equals nine what do you start with (12) if the play and players are centered on Israel is 12 a significant number?
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains,
on which the woman sits. What are we looking at here? The woman is Jerusalem what is this sitting? I see her as raised up, resting on depending on. Further these kings are not only raising her up there is a definite sense that they are in a line of succession… , even he is the eighth, and is of the seven. Did the Caesars of Rome raise up Jerusalem? Incidentally there were already seven and they are currently all dead.
When we consider Revelation we should begin by identifying each player, and we should do that, I’m sure you will agree through scripture, not conjecture, not traditions, not by current events. Had the church fathers done so in the beginning and recognized that without a stage you can’t have a play they might have said we don’t know when the end will come but we are sure we need a city of Jerusalem and a temple in that city before it can come. We need a man to take the place of Messiah that is the one we as a nation have been waiting for to be king….to give us the worldly things we want. To enter that temple, Gods house, and lay claim to it along with His city and people. We don’t know when that will happen but the program says this is what the play is about so we do know it is what will happen…..That these same people, Gods people of whom He says I am a Husband, will commit fornication. They will as Yeshua said when one comes in his own name accept him as their king their anointed of God. They will glorify him to the whole world and the world will become drunk on the wine of her fornication….
The play has already been written. The second act is about to begin. Raise curtain what will the set look like?
Daniel seven gives us a look at the second act….but this is getting long.
Patrick Edgington Very well said Patrick. These type of messages can seem very convincing when you first hear them. Just some digging into the Word of God, exposes many flaws in their theories.
@@garyfinch6971 like what
I am enjoying your videos. They help me with my daily studies.
I've read through the bible countless times over the years, I get something new each time.🕊️🙏🏼
May our Father bless your endeavors.
The channel that keeps on giving! Woooot!
Indeed I read Revelation at least twice a year. Thank you for all this historical info.
“Believed it and taught it” - been there. Thanx for the great lectures.
i love it when bruce states "if u been sleeping up to this pt. 'wake-up!' "
That's how I try to silence the snoring in the room.
Thank you so much, I found this most helpful
Thank you!
Excellent historical overview. Thanks Bruce and the rest of the team for putting this series together. Looking forward to following the rest of the lectures and making sense of this great book.
+Bible4truth this guy seems solid.
Thank you so much for this history. Helps clarify so much of the confusion I've been having.
I'm delighted to hear it! Thank you.
I’m living (more like being stuck) in HK currently. Great to see the city’s name being mentioned. God Bless you Bruce for your gift in teaching. Love every single lesson you give.
Thank you!
@A Baker the city is following China’s zero covid tolerance policy… this makes traveling very difficult because I will go insane in a room by myself for 7 days! (It used to be 21 days…😓).
Thx for posting all the lectures 🙏
your favorite loyalist herer saying thank you for this teaching.
come let us reason together
the wrath of the lamb oh my
jesus bless you and yours
Not only does Jerusalem sit on 7 hills, which is almost NEVER even brought up, but scripture itself says that mystery babylon is JERUSALEM! that is why it was JERUSALEM who was punished and received the curses in the book of Revelation, which John wrote BEFORE 70AD, as to what was about to happen to the harlot Jerusalem.
Yes Rome was a type of harlot, yes the catholic church is a type, but scripture is speaking of Jerusalem. It says it point blank, yet many wont accept it and then return to labeling this upon Rome.
Rome was the 4th beast of Daniel. But the iron mixed with clay, was Rome mixing with Israel, in the holy land of Jerusalem.
Here is the issue Bruce does not ever weigh the possibility that he could be wrong about the timing of Revelation and the framing of eschatology. A good attorney and detective weighs all views examine the pros and cons of each view. Let the last two verses of Revelation govern their teaching on Revelations. There is a very heavy punishment on those who ADD to the words of Revelation.
@@graysonbr pretty sure interpretation isn’t adding words.
@@bell5309 true, unless one teaches the position as such
GREAT stuff here!!! Thank you Bruce.
Thank you for the kind feedback!
I totaly agree
I would like to point out one little piece of historical data which will support your argument for an early date of the book of Revelation, and it has to do with Domitian. Everyone quotes Ireneaus and gives the book a 90’s date, because obviously that is when Domitian reigned. However (and this is a BIG however), watch this:
Domitian’s father was Vespasian. Vespasian is the one who originally laid siege to Jerusalem as general under Nero in A.D. 66. In December of 69 Vespasian was elected Emperor. His eldest son Titus took charge of the Jerusalem seige, while his younger son Domitian resided in Rome. But here is the important point: it took him nearly six months to make his way from Jerusalem and Egypt (where he was securing foodstuff for his soldiers) to Rome. During this half year space, Domitian ruled in the stead of his father!
During this six months, Domitian was brutal, exiling many people, establishing harsh persecutions, and generally causing chaos. When his father arrived, he reversed many of Domitian’s orders and restored many exiles to freedom.
AND SO - Iranaeus tells us John wrote during the reign of Domitian…and he is correct - during the short 6 months reign of Domitian in A.D. 69/70. After Vespasian’s death, his eldest son Titus ruled, and after his death Domitian came to the throne in his own full right - in 96. But he was there, representing his father - in 69!
This changes everything, yes?
Details can be found in the Annals of Tacitus. A less trustworthy verification can be found in the wikipedia articles on Vespasian and Domitian.
Thank you!
Christians need a forum to discuss and learn from each other.
Bruce is wrong in his views of scripture
So totally well done!!
thank you....very helpful.
Thank you so much!!! This was very helpful.
Bruce, I have a question for you. In Daniel 9. 24 it says - to seal up the vision and prohecy, what does that mean.
Because the fulfillment of prophecy was a long way off. Which is why Revelation 22:10 is in contrast to it because the fulfillment of prophecy was a close.
I think Daniel is clear that the culmination of the Messiah coming. That prophecy and vision would end and that a NEW holy place would be ordained, which is Christ.
The Temple of his body.
The old system would stop forever and be replaced.
As a kid I was always taught that the apostolic miracles ended under Nero. Pretty sure that’s settled church dogma for millennia.
If that’s the case, then John must write the book before the prophecy and visions ended or Daniel 9:24 becomes a stumbling block.
@@distantgalaxymusic1447 .........you have errors in your understanding of scripture
U are a good teacher
Thank you!
This view makes more sense than the secret rapture and the seven year tribulation.
The historical record about Tiberius' intellgence reports and his proposition to the senate blew my mind.
Awesome teaching, but I think I disagree with the final implication of Jesus being violent/wrathful in the traditional sense.
I'll give the benefit of the doubt and keep listening, but I think that John intentionally used very violent imagery against the almost comedic backdrop of a gentle lamb to put to shame the violence that is typical of human empire.
To steal from Daniel, the other nations of history instigated beastlike terror with the use of violence and oppression. The just, humane Son of Man ("human being," in contrast to the beasts) ushers in a just and worshiping society based on the sword of TRUTH (which divides soul from spirit, according to Hebrews and Luke). He conquers nations without the use of violence.
The "lion" of Judah who is worthy to open the scroll of Life is, in fact, the lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world.
I think what John is doing in Revelation 19 - in his description of the conquering king - is offering a satirical image of Jesus riding into Jerusalem on a baby colt/donkey. Whereas the world's rulers subdue their enemies by riding into their lands upon grand stallions, brandishing swords and accompanied by armies, Jesus rode into the land of His "enemies" - the harlot city, on a donkey, with the sword of His mouth - God's truth.
Because He has not resorted to the world's "way," He has indeed conquered the nations, and continues to exert authority over the world.
Christopher Lee Interesting perspective. Thank you!
This was a very good observation, well thought out. However, the seven woes oracles in Mt. 23. Very condemning speaking as a lamb or as the Lion from the tribe of Judah. This was their death sentence and the nation as well. See the "wrath of the lamb" Rev.6:16.
These are not my words, Bruce Gore's.
Really appreciate your teaching. I’ve been frustrated with learning and understanding scripture (Revelation is hard) but so much seems like we are the problem.
I’ve been learning more about Christianity at the time of our founding. The 1700’s seem so positive but the 1800’s appear so corrupt.
(I saw a vid by you last night when I couldn’t sleep but it was on the 1800’s so didn’t help!)
I’ll have to see if you have made your presentation available so I can do a better job of capturing you teaching.
Bruce Gore You rock! Do you have any commentary’s or books on prophecy/eschatology you would recommend?
I have many I would recommend, but if you are looking for a good general introduction, I highly encourage you to take a look at Chilton's Paradise Restored:
www.amazon.com/Paradise-Restored-Biblical-Theology-Dominion/dp/0930462521/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1535639785&sr=8-1&keywords=paradise+restored+david+chilton
Thanks!
thank you for your presentation. I found this helpful. PraiseJesus.
Thank you! and Amen to that!
you better learn to READ for youself, and stop following unscholarly, unqualified men on social media exercising their freedom of speech
@@DonCornelius366 Bruce Gore is a Professor of religion at Whitworth University where he has been teaching for over 30 years. This is a taped lecture.
You watched the video, yes?
@@DonCornelius366 And you are a scholarly and qualified theologian that can teach us all?
@@histguy101 Schools of religion in Universites are some of the WORST PLACES to "learn" from.
The Book of Revelation will make sense to u once u look at it through the len of 70AD, through the perspective of Preterism
solid
As much as dispensational view holders deny and twist text I'm starting to think they are under a delusion more then error.. #datposttrib
An outstanding book on the Dispensationalism heresy is: "Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth" by Dr. John Gertsner. It is available on Amazon. Make sure you get the second addition.
@@James-nq8eh Not to get technical, the historical grammatical concept is a jewell not only for bible study but for any literary examination
@@davidwoods6015 Thus...the perspicuity of Scripture.
Excellent. Love the music at the end :-)
Thank you!
Bruce Gore It's amazing that you're responding to comments. I imagine you're a busy guy. A) Have enjoyed your videos and you've rapidly become one of my fav teachers.
Can I recommend the works of Chuck Missler? He's another top shelf bible scholar with perspectives that might enrich yours.
Im thinking a specifically in the studies of the 7 churches (Rev). You seem to skip the prophetic fulfillment of them, though you fully grasp the other 3 applications (historical, congregational, and personal).
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm quite familiar with Chuck Missler.
Why was the video cut/edited?...Herod being the sixth decendant of whom?...
Early Christian writers are almost in agreement that the book of Revelation was written during the reign of Domitian which ended in A.D. 96
This is great. Thankyou for sharing your hard work!
Are others getting the 'skipping' over some dialogue? Only a couple spots, but wondering it it's just me???
I hope you continue to post the rest of this series. The Apocalypse is one of my favorites. I should be interesting to see where we agree and disagree on points. So far, we mostly agree. I do not, however, agree with the notion that, because the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE is the main subject, that the book was necessarily written prior to the event. It could have be composed ex-eventu.
Looking forward to seeing more.
sinebass808 Thanks for your interest!
I believe it was written before 70 ad.
The Temple of Solomon (annual sun) is the human body. Temple is "built" in seven years (seven months) beginning with April/Taurus. It is alway "destroyed" in 70 A.D (7). upon completion (end of summer of seven months) every year. Biblical Herod is not a person but the "hero of the path" = the apparent movement of the sun through the 12 signs of the Mazzaroth.
I'm curious about how he was able to smuggle this book out of prison and what the penalty was if one would be caught doing so.
Francis Bacon once said, “Read not to believe and take for granted, nor to contradict and confute, but to weigh and consider.”
I have been a Prederist for thirty plus years and I cannot see this book as prophetic (I mean it does not speak of the future). The Revelation of Jesus Christ are the first five words that tell the whole story. To my understanding, it reveals his nature and his work on earth and his permanent reign in the dimension we call Heaven.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
The same yesterday, today, and forever. The Holy Spirit can only live in an environment of Empathy and Compassion, and Mercy; what we know as Love.
We have extra help to stay on his path.
Moses fed the tribes the flesh and blood of the villages that they destroyed along the way, including those in Egypt (Exo 12:35; 36). They gave everything they had to spare their lives, that's the real reason they were chased by the Pharaoh. They seemed to lack Empathy and Compassion even for each other. They were the children of blood and war and worshiped might and power.
Gen 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations.
Gen 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
Gen 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
Exo 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
"The lessons from the history are, so long as pride, ambition, and revenge are harboured, men will ever scheme afresh to their own hurt." - Faussat
The blood thirsty god of Moses was a man of war and Yeshua guided them into the land of Canaan; But our God is a man of Peace, Yeshua, who guides us to his abode. The law of reciprocity was in full effect in choosing his name (Matt 1:21), that's for certain. From the taker of life to the giver of life. Yeshua is the Hebrew name for the Greek Iesus, and its English spelling is "Joshua." The translators seem to love making the simple complicated.
When my perspective changed, the meaning became clear. No mystery to me anymore, by his blood we are redeemed. I like his ways and i'm thankful that I can spend eternity in Rapture now that the old man died and as a new man, Resurrected from the dead (Eph 2:1).
Bruce, I am one of those who believe Revelation was written before 70 AD, but the best evidence for those who believe it was written after 70 AD is found in Revelation 2:13. It speaks of a person named Antipas who history says was martyred after 70 AD. Bruce do you, or does anyone reading this have information that counters that? Thanks
JD Williams...I was always under the impression that John wrote Revelation (or died, cant remember) in 95AD. For more info, see Bruce Gore's reply to 'Really Fun' above.
This question has puzzled me for ages. If Nero was the sixth and Galba was the seventh and Last. Where does Ottho and Vitellius fit in, aren’t they the 8th and 9th. The Flavian dynasty doesn’t start until Vespasian comes in. So in Revelation it says 5 have been , one is (Nero) and one is to come!!! But there was 3 to come Galba, Ottho and Vitellius. Can someone actually explain this properly. I know my history pretty well, so please don’t spin junk to me. Appreciate an informed answer.
It is a fair question. You may know that I am doing a verse by verse study of Revelation as part of this series. We are currently finishing up chapter 9. The text you refer to is in chapter 17. I am aware of the problem you reference, and will treat the matter in detail when we reach that chapter. If I gave a brief response here, it would certainly strike you as inadequate, and a comprehensive answer would require more space than is practical in this context. I hope you will be patient.
Nero, as I have read, committed suicide, the army wanted to kill him, but he cut his own throat after his servant refused to kill him...they were going to flog him to death.
Tacitus reports that Nero was faced with the choice of killing himself, or being executed by the Roman soldiers who found him hiding in Athens.
I am trying to learn more about history in its relation to the Bible and Christianity. So my question is : If Antipas was martyred in Pergamum in 92, how can the book of Revelation be written in 65? (Rev 2:13) I am flustered, can you please help me reconcile my thoughts.
Update: not sure if my response was seen. Where can Ii look to get find the correct information about Antipas?
What is your source for Antipas dying in Pergamum in 92?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipas_of_Pergamum, www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2010/04/saint-antipas-martyr-of-apocalypse.html
Wikipedia is were lots of info (be it right or wrong) is usually the first site to check. I looked around a lot, saw a few more sites in searching for the answer and didn't see many with a date, none really say an earlier one. I just started (less then week in) looking into the history of the Bible. So I seek out the wisdom of one dedicated to the topic. (meaning you:) My question was only for discerning the truth. Currently, I am of the belief Revalation is part history's past but partly the future, so until further study I am open to keeping an open mind.
As far as I can determine there is no documented record of a death of a Martyr in Pergamum in 95. This is simply an assumption made by those who understand Irenaeus to teach that Revelation was written in the late first century, a theory that has been challenged by a number of competent scholars.
Interesting, I appreciate all this info here. Thank you very much.
Thanks for all the help. There are so many avenues to look into. Your videos are really great and informative. Thank you!
blessings.
Hello Bruce, what is your opinion about John the Divine's death as the Church say he died 100AD. Do you think he died earlier because Mary is recorded dying 41AD. I realised that if Revelation was correct then he would have been raptured along with the Jewish Christians or died before the start of the War of the Jews. Appreciate your thoughts on this.
There is reasonable support for the theory that John lived in Ephesus well into the late first century and cared for Mary during those years. It is likely they both died of natural causes, but Catholics affirm the 'assumption' of Mary on dogmatic grounds.
@@GoreBruce Thanks for your thoughts on this.
I don't know if this has been asked but @ 17:21 Dr Gore says Jesus was born in 4 B.C. - there must be some explanation of how this is possible because @ 1 AD Jesus would be 5 yrs old.
The original calendar was worked out by a 2nd century astronomer named Ptolemy. He appears to have miscalculated the year of Jesus' birth by 2 to 4 years or so, so it is commonly accepted that Jesus was born just a few years before the year zero.
@@GoreBruce .. thank you Dr. Gore
King Herod died 4 BC, so Christ had to be born by at least that year, so 4 BC is what I accept. So if he was born 4 Bc in 27 Ad he was 30 which luke says in 3. 23 at his baptism, died 31 , so 70 weeks of Daniel 9 end in 34 AD
Thanks its detail
Revelation is all symbolic and is about the time of the end. Wonderful book about destruction of Christendom false religion . Favourite scripture is “ and death will be no more neither crying nor morning anymore”.
A key to understanding Yeshua's Revelation is knowing that It's heavily influenced by Moses' Lamentation of Deuteronomy 31-32. In fact, much of the NT is influenced by Moses' Lamentation, as is the OT. He warned about the end of Israel's national statehood if Israel rebelled against the Mosaic Constitution. The Song of Moses referenced in Revelation is Deuteronomy 31-32, not Exodus 15.
thanks
I have been mesmerized by your video series for about the last two or three months. I am especially enamored with your knowledge of ancient history, and as a matter of fact, I play your videos all week almost everyday. I will however contend with you as it pertain to your biblical interpretations. As much as it pains me to say this sir but these projectories are not biblically sound. Who am I, well I'm just a regular ole guy with a couple of years of college, a bunch of certificates and certifications in various genres, with a little experience and talents here and there. You however appear to be a world class historian / anthropologist equal to anyone anywhere. I do however think that you are stepping out of your league when you attempt to interpret the Scriptures. This is not a put down just an observation. I mean hey, we can't be great at all things equally. I know you're going to pull out a cannon and blow my fool head off but I gotta call it as I see it especially when I'm dealing with a genius like you. As heavyweight Larry Holmes said about footballer Ed too tall Jones when he attempted to cross over into boxing quote, he was alright until he took that helmet off.
+Reuel “reuel ray” Ray Thanks for your kind feedback!
I've been studying scripture for 40 years. The Lord brought me to see a long time ago that Premillenial views are NOT sound doctrine despite the sincerity of those who hold them. Apostolic teaching that is sound says that Christ's kingdom is NOW. The most solid scriptural evidence for this is found in Acts 2, in Peter's address to the crowd after the Holy Spirit fell on the gathering of believers. THIS IS THE FIRST ANOINTED MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS. The key verse is 2:36- "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST." Premils also tend to promote the idea that the nation of Israel currently occupying Palestine got there as part of God's plan to "bring them to Christ" in fulfillment of OT prophecy. This whole argument proceeds from a false understanding of scripture; it directly contradicts what Paul writes in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and Corinthians. Eph 2:13-22 could not be clearer regarding this doctrine- God has fulfilled his promise to Abraham in the creating of his people, the church, which is comprised of people from EVERY NATION.
Most scholars date Rev around 95 AD under Domitian. From what I have learned only a small number say it was written before the fall of Jerusalem. Just sayin'....
I believe one of the 7 churches didn't exist before 70 AD. Nicolatians aren't mentioned in any of Paul's letters, either, and he died around 67 AD. Finally, Ireneaus, who was a disciple of Polycharp who was discipled by John the Revelator said it was written during the time of Domitian. I am guessing Irenaeus's knowledge was passed down from the author, which matters.
All that said, it is nice to hear another perspective, and your views are certainly worth investigating.
If you are interested in my more detailed treatment of this question, you will find it in lectures #11 and #12 of this series. Thanks for your interest.
@@brucegore4373 Thanks! I would also like to see sources for your assertions. For example, Nero's persecution of Christians outside of Rome. I understand that his move against Christians was limited to Rome. Best wishes!
Bruce. I wish to thank you for this series of lectures, and the great care you no doubt put into making them. It really shows that for you, it was a labor of love. I am looking forward to getting your book - "Historical and Chronological Context of the Bible".
I am somewhat concerned however. It is obvious that your approach to eschatology is PRETERIST. No crime in that. I find much in at least "Partial-Preterism" which has strong argument; but not so much with FULL-PRETERISM; that is, suggesting the entirety of the prophecies in synoptic Olivet Discourses ( Matt.24; Mk.13; Lk.21) along with the book of Revelation being PAST-TENSE, and accomplished by AD 70. To be clear: I am NOT suggesting your are guilty of the same errors as "Hyper-Preterist" are; i.e.- wherein they say the resurrection of the dead already occurred. No, I don't think you would agree with that.
Yet one thing you do seem to avoid is addressing the issue of Irenaeus' not-so "ambiguous" statement that the Apostle John penned Revelation in the latter part of Emperor Domitian's reign. Which, if true would certainly late date it's publication to some time after AD 95-96.
Which, again, if true makes your preterist interpretation untenable.
You promised to address the Irenaeus citation at mark 6:30 in your next session ("Letters to the Seven Churches"); but having watched it as well as the following one thoroughly, I was disappointed to find you did NOT. It does SEEM as though you may have deliberately skipped over him, since you did indeed list a number of other Early Church Fathers. None of them however could offer any clear rebuttal to your position, like Irenaeus does.
Please address this when you have time.
No reply. The only sound to be heard are the crickets!
Several people have asked that question and Gore has responded. I haven't watched them yet, but his reply says he deals with the dating of Revelation in videos #11, 12, and 13 of this series.
@@oracleoftroy Yes, I HAVE watched them, and NO he doesn't address this issue, which for many, is a silence which speaks louder than words. He has other perplexing issues to deal with however, and none of them are dealt with either.
For example there is POLYCARP. He was the FIRST Bishop ("Angel") of the Church in Smyrna. A very few historians debate that.
The problem for Peterist who so desperately want (NEED) to date John's writing of the BoR prior to Jerusalem's fall in AD 70 is... Polycarp was only a new-born infant when that calamitous event occurred! And by the way... even more damning to the Preterist early dating schema is the fact that there was NO Church at Smyrna yet either! All of this is solidly established historical FACT!
How then could Christ be addressing him as an active Bishop ("Angel") over the Church in Smyrna? I have heard only a few attempts by Preterist to explain this, none of which hold water. The worst was one which seems to epitomize much of the Preterist hermeneutic:i.e.- SPIRITUALIZING of the texts, and events so as to fit their narrative. One Preterist "apologist" who will remain unnamed (as I have no interest in making any ad hominem attacks here)...suggested that Christ had John record his letter to Polycarp and the Smyrna Church in ANTICIPATION of that yet future day in which they would indeed exist!🙄 You know, were it not such a serious matter, I might laugh at that. But it really is no laughing matter, is it? When backed into a corner by questions which appeal to FACT and not just clever rhetoric and wishful thinking: They resort to fantasy using the most reprehensible hermeneutical gimmickry ever seen. 😕 Personally, when I witness this occurring I lose all respect for that individual.
I do encourage Bruce Gore to see this and reply. 😇
@@troyfruge3309 In that case, it might be best to post a new top level reply, perhaps in the videos themselves to explain why his case is lacking. He seems active in the comments, but I don't know if he would see it buried here.
Great video. Only one small detail that wasn't correct-Nero wasn't executed in AD68, he committed suicide
Yes thank you. His suicide was forced upon him to avoid execution.
The matter of suicides is small. It is becase of Neros accusations that the slaughter of christians began... That is more if a toppic to consider...
Well done!
About 16:30 or so Mr. Gore explains that the seven heads represent the Herods. (The video kind of jumps here like part of it skipped.) It seems as if He is saying that it was Herod the Great PLUS the six Herods that came after him. However, there were only six Herods in total. How can six represent seven?
Well, I'm just noting the interesting and possibly significant correlation of the number and color. As to the number of Herods, you are probably not noticing that there are two 'Herod Philip' characters. One was a tetrarch. The other lived in Rome. It was the Roman Philip who lost his wife to Herod Antipas.
amazing
Mr. Gore - what about the historian, Josephus ? He was present in Jerusalem at the beginning of the destruction.
Josephus provides considerable information about the last years of Jerusalem, and its destruction in the year, 70 A.D..
He doesn't sound like a lunatic so this video series on Revolution seems promising.
Hello Bruce thank you for your presentation. Who is the false prophet of Revelation. Be grateful for your answer on this.
I provide my view of the matter in the following presentation:
th-cam.com/video/bE886a368Qk/w-d-xo.html
@@GoreBruce Thank you so much God bless you.
I am investigating the possibility that Jesus died in 37AD because of the fact that Pontius Pilate, summoned to Rome by Tiberius, left Jerusalem in 37 AD. Tiberius also died in 37 AD. If we calculate Daniels timeline we have 483 - 445 = 38.What I would like to know is, did Pontius Pilate leave immediately after Jesus' death?
The painting that Bruce ends with was done by Peter S. Ruckman, a Dispensationalism, God always wins in the end.
Dispensation schmispensation. We are all Christians and Christ has won already.
Still don’t understand. So that means that the book of Revelations has been mostly fulfill. Was left? 1.Second coming of Jesus Christ 2. Final Judgement 3. Armageddon 4. Being in heaven with God for the eternity
Thank you for your thoughtful questions. For my treatment of these and related matters, please review lectures 11,12,13 of this series, available at the TH-cam Playlist: th-cam.com/video/rTqxCTu2OjM/w-d-xo.html
Thank you!
Could revelations be johns olivet discourse
Many have suggested that Revelation is John's more extended Olivet Discourse, covering much of the same ground but in much greater detail!
What was and is and is to come
To come SHORTLY = EGGUS = At hand = very near..... Jésus said: This is the moment = hour for accomplisment of ALL scriptures ALL.....
On one level, I believe that out of historical context, the words stand, and they are not good for the world. This might be similar to the use of 'Jacob I loved, Esau I hated': despite the 'explanation' the words remain and they are terribly divisive. I wonder if you might comment.
B Freetothink character
B Freetothink - please read Genesis 29: 30 -31 > And he (Jacob) went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years. And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, HE opened her womb: but Rachel was barren.
In the eyes of God anything less than complete love is akin to hate - even preference for one over the other.
It's God's preference for Jacob over Esau that is being reflected - it's not that God hates Esau ..
Love & hate is a Hebrew idiom just meaning preferring
So God Chose Jacob, His Sovereignty!
The main theme in The Tanack Hebrew Scriptures is The Line Of The Messiah.
From The Promise in Eden to Adam and Eve until The Woman Mary conceives! By The Holy Spirit The Eternal Word Of God in her virgin womb.
Revelation is written by Apostle John in 96 C.E. so the hills and kings are not Rome and Rome's rulers. Nero ruled before Revelation is written also the Temple is destroyed before.
Yes, that is a common view based on an ambiguous text in Irenaeus, writing around the years 180 ad. For a scholarly refutation of the view see Cambridge Scholar John. A.T. Robinson, Redating the New Testament (link below). The text by Dr. Ken Gentry, 'Before Jerusalem Fell' is also very helpful.
www.amazon.com/Redating-New-Testament-John-Robinson/dp/1579105270/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1HRSGKKB5JBPU&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.MsA-kvYU0IXKKfq-iltY1S7nieQWJggT2UKfredeT0vHHZzghuK0oPbmx823Pc6dEi2jyYxQuXMhcuDEaIlSR_p2yM2hqBTsWmfvs5_UgXbX2slBolSw4s6xb9NXQzVauvqLDxNG7ytHGtV71Rvhxp9hE5P6eHs-AdRlCtXbE5MPi_2ddpgrjr7ev-hf1kE3XKwY4_BNPcbbH-YT8zPzSUndMqAoIBSqsevFt3nMeQM.smz6LC8sSD-Wb6Cz6VmiyZc4wW9Sd6KrqdNPLk0RlMA&dib_tag=se&keywords=redating+the+new+testament&qid=1723471175&sprefix=redating+the+new+testament%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-1
@@GoreBruce Thank you for a scholarly reply. I am watching this series you produced because of the seventh or eighth part speaking of dispensationalism but decided to watch the whole series because of the relevance to the political systems in Anglo-American society.
Sir, I am a bit curious to know whether you are a Preterist? (I am a Full Preterist).
Thank you for this lesson.
I take a preterist approach to Revelation, but I do not embrace full preterism. Thanks for your interest!
Kattackal Tomsan I am also a Full Preterist. Believing Revalation was written under Nero (Early date) does not make you a preterist but it is the only date that allows Preterism. I appreciate this lecture. Even if I disagree with all his views, this was helpful.
Thanks. I appreciate the feedback.
AstronomyUpdate, I'm curious why you say that the preterist view must be written under Nero. Even though the author writes as if it is written under Nero, how could he have known that the next Caesar would only serve a short time?
It seems to me that for any preterist view the later you can assume it was written the better because the fullness of the events would be better known.
On the other hand, perhaps he is extrapolating that the next Caesar won't serve long because these are the signs of the times and the end is near. Perhaps he didn't know that he was actually being prophetic about the reign of the next Caesar. I suppose it if it had been written in 90AD he wouldn't have mentioned only the one short rule, but the several that followed.
heh, I think I may have just answered my own question.
@Born at 33 I think I may have misunderstood the definition of Preterism at the time I wrote that comment. Upon further reading, Preterism seems to say that these prophecies are of things that have already been fulfilled, or partially fulfilled (as in the case of partial preterism), but not that they aren't prophecies at all.
By that reasoning, your assertion that Revelation had to have happened before 70 AD makes perfect sense. Otherwise, the preterist interpretation that it was fulfilled in 70 AD would disqualify it from being prophecy altogether.
TL;DR I missed the point that it still has to remain prophecy regardless of the degree of preterism you prescribe to.
Galba set up an image of Nero in the temple and demanded that the Jews worship it. This was the abomination of desolation prophesied by Daniel and Jesus.
The greatest abomination was the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. That was when the sun didn't shine.
So nero was the antichrist who was the false prophet
@@evettebrummell1836 , Paul stated that once all was fulfilled that knowledge would decrease. Daniel stated that knowledge would increase as the events began to be fulfilled in the latter days of the old covenant. One would have had to have lived during that epoch of time to state with any surety whom the false prophet was. I am sure that there were many, many, many, false prophets at that time.
@@evettebrummell1836 , Nero was not the antichrist. John defined antichrist within a sentence or two of the first mention of antichrist. He said "They went out from us because they were not of us." This was the generation that walked the earth with Jesus and the apostles. They were the ones that abandoned the true believers because they were not willing to put their lives on the line for Messiah. The heresy of antichrist being an individual began with Irenaeus, who was not born until about fifty years after all of prophecy was fulfilled, when the temple fell in AD 70. Jesus said to call no man on earth "father." Yet, the church attached the moniker "Early Church Fathers" to men that they have very little knowledge of. Irenaeus wrote Against Heresies. I guess he was just against those that he did not fabricate. Daniel stated that knowledge would increase as the latter days of the old covenant waned down. Paul stated that once the event took place that knowledge would decrease. One would have had to have lived during that epoch of time to know for sure who the false prophet was. There were actually many, many, many, false prophets at that time. I published a book last year, A Great Revealing For All Peoples & All Nations. If you want to walk on water get a copy and read it. If you want to walk on water, you gotta get out of the boat!
The church in it's wisdom. Would that be the same wisdom that burned witches, launched murderous crusades and tortured astronomers for practicing the forbidden art of seeking truth?
I agree with this only I use historian Josephus he account the signs jesus sayed would take place as well . such as a comet for one yr straight hanging over jeruselem in that time and a star that looked like a sword as well and that a Hefer when they went to sacrifice it she gave birth to a lamb yes a lamb . ..also jesus said run to mountains matthue 24 mark 13 Luke 22 so I heard you say south , historians put they actually went to Pella and few city's up there .
I am wondering about the date of the book as 65AD when the fall of Jerusalem, which you state is crucial to the historical context of the book, took place in 70AD. Open to your insight here! Thanks
I have an entire series on Revelation as a Playlist on TH-cam. I specifically deal with the issue of the date of the writing of Revelation in lectures #11, 12, and 13 of that series. Thanks for your interest!
th-cam.com/video/rTqxCTu2OjM/w-d-xo.html
But there were already millions of Jews scattered around-to Alexandria and Rome, for example, meeting in synagogues-long before 70 AD.
All Scripture has been fulfilled by the short work of Jesus and gave the Kingdom back to God so we all have access to our Father and can all Worship God and God alone.