It makes me so happy but also so sad that Athena trusted him and respected his way of thinking until Odysseus turned away from her and that’s when she went back to isolating herself 😭💗
I mean, she didn't. That was a thing that very much happened. She accepted him inasmuch as he obeyed her and did what she wanted. "I see you're changing from how I designed you" is not the statement of someone who accepts you. Athena wanted stoic, unflinching, heartless pragmatism and when Odysseus fell short (because he's a human man with human emotions) she left
If it makes you feel better, Athena in the odyssey was still always watching from above, and wanted to help him out, but considering the gods he angered with his actions, she had to stay on the downlow before helping him again
There are 2 types of people listening to Epic 1: wow there are so many hidden stuff this man is a genius. And 2: wow this beat and story are amazing this man is a genius.
Ooh I thought that little detail was showing how Ody was influencing Athena, and how she changes after she met him. That's such a cool detail, though! ❤
I love imagining Athena singing that "my goodbye" using Odysseus's little tune out of habit, then just kind of freezing, and then looking at him with venom in her eyes as she firmly severs all connection they had, and singing her old note
It's so cool how the fans pick up on these tiny little tidbits in your musical. But we couldn't have noticed these things without YOUR attention to detail as well and how much effort you put into this musical and making it detailed and intricate. So thank YOU
Another detail I found, was that before Odysseus opened the wind bag to Poseidon (at the end of Ruthlessness I think?), he says the line “All I gotta do is open this bag!” The way he says it is the same as the line that Aeolus sings in Keep your friends close “All you gotta do is not open this bag” It’s not much, but I appreciate Jay soo much for all the details of the songs which makes each one of them amazing
I think there are a lot of examples... e.g. also from "Ruthlessness", the way Poseidon sings "remember me" follows the way Odysseus said it in "Remember them"! As a rule of thumb (which I realized worked well for Hamilton and other musicals too): if you hear a lyric that was used in a previous song, with or without potential slight variations, chances are it's sung with the same melody 😆
That melody also comes back in a little snippet from (I think) the wisdom saga, when Telemachus is singing to his new "friend" Athena, and says, "I don't think he'll MIIIIIIIIND."
and on the next line, "if not his friend then miiiiiiine" he sings a similar, but still noticeably different melody, showing how he takes after his father, but is also his own person with his own style
I love how confident people have become in how much Mr. Jalapeño thought this through. Insane theories, THAT ARE ALWAYS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING This man is a genius
Ooohh! That detail makes Athena's last line hit so much harder! When she sings, 🎵Don't disappoint me,🎵 she holds the last note. Same as she did on "mind" in the first chorus. Even though she and Odysseus are vibing by the end of the song and she's open to his influence, Her holding that note on 🎵me🎵 is Athena in full goddess mode issuing a VERY clear warning/expectation. It makes her disgust in Odysseus during "My Goodbye" hit even harder.
Another thing I noticed(somebody else might have mentioned it, if they did I am sorry) is the ties between There are Other Ways and Penelope’s song - The Challenge. After Odysseus says “I can’t!” We can hear the starting melody for Penelope’s song. It’s weird - because they’re sort of doing similar things in the songs too. In There are Other Ways, Odysseus is trying to convince Circe to let them leave, to not let them be puppets anymore. Penelope’s song is all about her trying to convince Antinous’s army that the challenge she proposed will make one of them king, to try and free herself from becoming a puppet. It’s also because Odysseus was talking about Penelope when it started playing, and it was also mentioning how Poseidon wants Odysseus dead. Poseidon caused the storm that hit Ithaca. Penelope sings about it in her song. Just something cool I found. :D This might be wrong, but idk. Just something I noticed.
I swear to God I noticed this detail a long time ago and since then I've felt like a crazy person for thinking I'm the only one who noticed it, thank you, you're a genius!
YES YES YES!!! I noticed this too!! WOTM was the first song I heard and this was one of the things that made me fall in love!! One more thing - in My Goodbye, Odysseus asks angrily, "Is this what it means to be a warrior of the mind?" And he holds the note like she did! He's challenging her mindset!
Seeing about all these things happening, which aren't immediately obvious (especially to a casual listener), but which help build the characters and/or story reminds me of Lin Manuel Miranda's "Chess, not Checkers!" line.
This is so beautiful, Jay you are a pure genius. Every time I relisten to this I catch on to something new! There’s no end to the hints and character building and foreshadowing you hide in these songs. This musical is such a gift and a blessing!
Brrrroooooo this musical just keeps on showing more and more little secrets and details. Remember, cyclops saga was like a year ago, so this was hidden for ages!
I AM SO HAPPY SOMEONE BROUGHT ATTENTION TO THIS FINALLY AND JAY ACKNOWLEDGED IT!!! for like the past months of me listening to these songs repeatedly i noticed this and like. i've rambled about this over and over to my friends and the "Odysseus" riff had become my personality for a WHILE, and now hearing you, Jay, recognizing it as a completely intentional thing is like the BEST THING FOR ME!!! AUGHHGHH!!!! Ody and Athena's friendship means the world to me. (BONUS THOUGH!! There's a song in the making like WAY into the musical, a Telemachus song, where he's speaking to a "new friend" and talking about how his "new friend" should help someone else (impkied t be the friends "former friend"), and he says "I don't think he'll miiind~" with ODYSSEUS' RIFF, which with the piano in the background, gives me enough hint on who he's talking to and who they're talking _about_ :D yeah I kinda over-obsessed over this riff can you tell-)
I love this community so much, everyone is so detail-oriented that when they point out things, it makes listening to the songs even more amazing! You have created an AMAZING community around this musical, Mr jalapeño
This makes “We’ll be fine” SO much better. One of the big musical hints we have that Telemachus is talking to Athena is on how he sings “mind”. He sings it just like his father did (with the musical run). Not only does this show how similar Telemachus is to his father- it also shows the friendship and trust he is ready to give Athena. This could also show Athena’s forgiveness/yearning to reconnect with Odysseus-but we’ll have to wait until the full song comes out to see that.
I've already noticed these tidbits in WOTM and My Goodbye by myself and with the helpful words of a kind commenter on TH-cam, but guhhhhh. It really hurt my heart when I realised the implications of Athena following Ody's running note(?) in WOTM and then going back to her original note by the end of My Goodbye. 😭 Nevertheless, thank you so much for the insightful video! With this, more people can know about this tidbit and cry with me. :,,,,)
Oh man, this song is just so fun to harmonize to, as well! I have a tendency to sing Ody's part in a higher key, and then hold the last note of the phrase "warrior of the mind" and harmonize with Athena's held note. It sounds so good in that chorus where Athena holds the note and Ody does the run and it hypes me up so much to sing it-
Okay, so I noticed this after the Cyclops saga came out. I love belting out as Athena, but runs are REALLY hard for me until I've ingrained the order of the notes in my head, and I realized it was the same run at the end of My Goodbye, and then went back to Warrior of the Mind. THAT'S when I noticed, oh hey, she only starts to sing "Mind" as a run AFTER Odysseus does it first, like she's learning and taking social cues from him just as he is from her. I thought it couldn't be that deep, so this confirmation is just giving me SO much VINDICATION right now. Bless you Mr. Jimbo-Pimbo
I didn't catch this one!!! Absolutely genius, Jay! And thank you for posting these awesome vids about other fans digging deep into to your music! I love the EPIC community!
Bro I have so much respect for all the people to pick up on those small but important details and so grateful to them for pointing it out so those of us who didn't notice can appreciate this musical on so many more levels, because the levels of genius Jay is putting into this seem endless. And it's so cute to see how happy it makes Mr. Jalapeño 😊❤
I listened to WOTM for a year, maybe a year and a half and the thing is that I noticed these details before discovering that it's from a musical, and I just thought that it was really cool. When I knew WOTM for like half a year and I found "My Goodbye" and listened to it only for like, two times, because it ripped my heart apart(still does). I started listening to it like a year later when I discovered that these songs were from a musical. During that one and a half year I figured out that Athena has a melody so if I hear it I know she's near, and I also noticed the detail with different ways they sing that note. And when I got into EPIC and actually learned a lot of stuff about it, it was very interesting and even joyful hearing that this was done intentionally
It makes me so happy to see how happy you are about people in your fandom and how you support them. It's so great, that you are so connected with your fandom!
I like that it’s almost like Hamilton where you can track any song to a different song through the medleys that play to the lyrics that are sung by all the awesome singers/actors. All I want to say is well done mr jalapeño well done.
I went back to listen for the "danger is nearby" motif Jay just posted a video about, and I just picked up on this independently while listening to WotM!!
This is awesome. I’m currently writing an analysis of the entirety of Epic (all of the songs and such), including theories, and ties from one song to another and what that could mean in my free time. I’ll definitely show it off I finish it. 🎉🎉🎉
I had thought of this when i first stared listening to the songs, so happy i was right, really love all the midden detail he puts into his songs just immaculate if you ask me
Okay, why do I now want Athena doing that run again in God Games cause she's trying to help him again and if nothing else acknowledging that she does in fact care about his wellbeing?
I noticed this before but I thought I was thinking too deeply into it. It's such a small detail that I thought there was no way you would think of purposely doing that. Well I stand corrected and once again, I am amazed by how awesome you are👏
What this kind of effect reminds me of is Athena standing tall and stoic at the top, as Odysseus runs carefree up and down. And when they get closer, Athena loses some of her regality and joins Odysseus in his mischief. God it's so well done
Just today when I was listening to "Survive" I realized that right in the beginning when Odysseus tells the crew how to defeat and escape Polyphemus, he uses the same melody he hears from Zeus in "The Horse and the Infant" when he tells him to throw Astyanax down the wall, which is genious because just like when he uses a cyclops against Circe later on, he takes up strategies he has been overpowered by and uses them to gain power in a later situation😊 I just LOVE all these references, you use them so brilliantly😍
It's also highlighted with the fact that Odysseus only ever sings the line in Athena's way in Remember Them when he's chastising Athena's mindset. When he sings "Is this what it means to be a warrior of the mind?" He holds that note like Athena did. It's basically a "Is this what you wanted?" moment.
My sister is so observant. Like very observant. Mind u we’re talking spoiling the _huge_ plot twist where berthold and reiner were the colossal and armored titan in Attack on Titan bc she noticed there was steam coming off of reiner when he should’ve died. (My aunt had to confirm it first bur damn im mad abt that). She also accidentally spoiles me in some animes bc of her very very keen observation. But this also has a good side to it. When listening to Warrior of the Mind, she pointed out this observation in the change of athena’s singing style. That made me appreciate the song even more.
Not sure if this has been acknowledged, but in a similar vein, there's a tidbit in "Survive" where Odysseus says the cyclops must be "dealt with right here and now." This echoes the tidbit with Zeus in the Horse and the Infant, where he Zeus says the exact same thing to Ody with the exact same notes. I know there's a connection, but I feel like I'm missing exactly why it's there. Is it to show that Odysseus is remembering what Zeus told him, and realizes that this cyclops represents that same threat to his returning home? Or am I reading too much into it, lol. Any feedback is appreciated 😀
Ok so Wouldn't you like at the start of the song I swear I can hear an electric guitar while Hermes is introducing the plan. We know that everyone has instruments connected to them and we also know that God are actively controlling their own music. So this electric guitar is it from Hermes trying to entice Oydesseus into embracing his ruthless side? Or is it actually coming from Odysseus himself already willing and looking for an excuse to blow off some steam
THISSSS I KEPT THINOING THIS WHEN I REALIZED SHE DIDNT DO THE RUN AT FIRST AND THEN ODYSSEUS DID IT THEN ATHENA DID IT TOO AHHHH IM SO GLAD IM NOT CRAZY
OK now I have to ask was it the plan for make Poseidon voice seem a little scratchy at parts... as if he had some salt in his voice? I don't know, to me it sounds like that, and I love it. Of course Poseidon, god of the sea would have a raspy voice
OMGGGGGGG I'M NOT CRAZY (I also found that on like my 2nd listen but haven't heard ppl really talk abt it, and when i tried explaining it to ppl around me they didn't get it)
One more thing: after Athena matches Ody's riff (or whatever it's called; I ain't a musical genius like some people - cough, cough, Jay) in WOTM, you can hear the music going back to Athena's high note. In my opinion, (maybe I'm wrong, BUT STILL!) I feel like this is foreshadowing to My Goodbye when Athena goes back to holding her high note. Just an observation, I might or might not be correct.
Wait does that mean, if Telemachus and Athena sing a song together they would be singing in perfect sync because they are closer than Odysseus and Athena
Not going to lie, I had never noticed that. But it's true. Just as true as the good news of Eternal life. To get eternal life believe and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your one and only Savior. God Bless!
I stopped listening ro Cyclopes saga after Polites death (this man knows how to tramatize us...) but i still listen to My goodbye and Spotify right after WOTM put on MG that's when i noticed this and that the eneding seems like Athena still cares for Ody but again is really angry and stubborn. Maybe this hints some mire Athena later in another saga?
Probably just because this creator is quickly gaining traction, he’s in the process of producing a musical rendition of the odyssey and as more parts of it is released the bigger splash it makes. The most recent part he released was on valentines and that part alone had 1million listens after just 3 days. It’s called epic the musical, I highly recommend
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It makes me so happy but also so sad that Athena trusted him and respected his way of thinking until Odysseus turned away from her and that’s when she went back to isolating herself 😭💗
That's part of why I'm really looking forward to the Wisdom Saga.
@@rysonsynic8695 Me too! ❤️
I mean, she didn't. That was a thing that very much happened. She accepted him inasmuch as he obeyed her and did what she wanted. "I see you're changing from how I designed you" is not the statement of someone who accepts you. Athena wanted stoic, unflinching, heartless pragmatism and when Odysseus fell short (because he's a human man with human emotions) she left
If it makes you feel better, Athena in the odyssey was still always watching from above, and wanted to help him out, but considering the gods he angered with his actions, she had to stay on the downlow before helping him again
There are 2 types of people listening to Epic
1: wow there are so many hidden stuff this man is a genius.
And 2: wow this beat and story are amazing this man is a genius.
Both
@@Luthi3n3 both is good
I’m number 2
@@Nolonger_ Me two
Ooh I thought that little detail was showing how Ody was influencing Athena, and how she changes after she met him. That's such a cool detail, though! ❤
You are correct!!! It encompasses all those elements 🥹 and i can’t wait till act 2 cause it doesn’t end there MUAHAHAHA >:D
@@JayHerrans And now I'm even more excited to see what the genius that is Mr. Jalapeno has in store for us 😁
Yessss ❤
WAIT I NEVER NOTICED THIS!!!! I CANNOT BELIVE IVE NEVER NOTICED IT!
@@ameliabond5244 tbh I noticed it one of the first times I listened to the song, but I thought everyone caught it as well 😂
I love imagining Athena singing that "my goodbye" using Odysseus's little tune out of habit, then just kind of freezing, and then looking at him with venom in her eyes as she firmly severs all connection they had, and singing her old note
It's so cool how the fans pick up on these tiny little tidbits in your musical. But we couldn't have noticed these things without YOUR attention to detail as well and how much effort you put into this musical and making it detailed and intricate. So thank YOU
YES ❤
Another detail I found, was that before Odysseus opened the wind bag to Poseidon (at the end of Ruthlessness I think?), he says the line
“All I gotta do is open this bag!”
The way he says it is the same as the line that Aeolus sings in Keep your friends close
“All you gotta do is not open this bag”
It’s not much, but I appreciate Jay soo much for all the details of the songs which makes each one of them amazing
That last part of Ruthlessness always gives me goosebumbs! Nice job in noticing that!
@@twannieboy827 Thank you! And yes, goosebumps every time
I think there are a lot of examples... e.g. also from "Ruthlessness", the way Poseidon sings "remember me" follows the way Odysseus said it in "Remember them"! As a rule of thumb (which I realized worked well for Hamilton and other musicals too): if you hear a lyric that was used in a previous song, with or without potential slight variations, chances are it's sung with the same melody 😆
That melody also comes back in a little snippet from (I think) the wisdom saga, when Telemachus is singing to his new "friend" Athena, and says, "I don't think he'll MIIIIIIIIND."
Yesss I was just thinking this!!
and on the next line, "if not his friend then miiiiiiine" he sings a similar, but still noticeably different melody, showing how he takes after his father, but is also his own person with his own style
I love how confident people have become in how much Mr. Jalapeño thought this through. Insane theories, THAT ARE ALWAYS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING
This man is a genius
Ooohh! That detail makes Athena's last line hit so much harder!
When she sings, 🎵Don't disappoint me,🎵 she holds the last note. Same as she did on "mind" in the first chorus.
Even though she and Odysseus are vibing by the end of the song and she's open to his influence,
Her holding that note on 🎵me🎵 is Athena in full goddess mode issuing a VERY clear warning/expectation.
It makes her disgust in Odysseus during "My Goodbye" hit even harder.
the pure happiness in this video is so bright
Y’all make my day!!! 🥹🙏🏼
Omg ! I didn't notice it !
I swear, Jay was blessed by Apollo himself ! ❤
(Too bad Apollo doesn't protect him from Hermes 😅)
The last line 🤣
Another thing I noticed(somebody else might have mentioned it, if they did I am sorry) is the ties between There are Other Ways and Penelope’s song - The Challenge. After Odysseus says “I can’t!” We can hear the starting melody for Penelope’s song. It’s weird - because they’re sort of doing similar things in the songs too. In There are Other Ways, Odysseus is trying to convince Circe to let them leave, to not let them be puppets anymore. Penelope’s song is all about her trying to convince Antinous’s army that the challenge she proposed will make one of them king, to try and free herself from becoming a puppet. It’s also because Odysseus was talking about Penelope when it started playing, and it was also mentioning how Poseidon wants Odysseus dead. Poseidon caused the storm that hit Ithaca. Penelope sings about it in her song.
Just something cool I found. :D
This might be wrong, but idk. Just something I noticed.
I love how you put so much thought into this musical it just makes all the more fun to listen to ❤❤
You’re so kind thank you so much!!! 😭🙏🏼💙
I swear to God I noticed this detail a long time ago and since then I've felt like a crazy person for thinking I'm the only one who noticed it, thank you, you're a genius!
I didn't know that until now...😅
But it was so cool to now! ❤
Same!
YES YES YES!!! I noticed this too!! WOTM was the first song I heard and this was one of the things that made me fall in love!! One more thing - in My Goodbye, Odysseus asks angrily, "Is this what it means to be a warrior of the mind?" And he holds the note like she did! He's challenging her mindset!
Seeing about all these things happening, which aren't immediately obvious (especially to a casual listener), but which help build the characters and/or story reminds me of Lin Manuel Miranda's "Chess, not Checkers!" line.
Yes you’re a genius!!! I live for these details😍
This is so beautiful, Jay you are a pure genius. Every time I relisten to this I catch on to something new! There’s no end to the hints and character building and foreshadowing you hide in these songs. This musical is such a gift and a blessing!
Brrrroooooo this musical just keeps on showing more and more little secrets and details. Remember, cyclops saga was like a year ago, so this was hidden for ages!
I AM SO HAPPY SOMEONE BROUGHT ATTENTION TO THIS FINALLY AND JAY ACKNOWLEDGED IT!!! for like the past months of me listening to these songs repeatedly i noticed this and like. i've rambled about this over and over to my friends and the "Odysseus" riff had become my personality for a WHILE, and now hearing you, Jay, recognizing it as a completely intentional thing is like the BEST THING FOR ME!!! AUGHHGHH!!!! Ody and Athena's friendship means the world to me.
(BONUS THOUGH!! There's a song in the making like WAY into the musical, a Telemachus song, where he's speaking to a "new friend" and talking about how his "new friend" should help someone else (impkied t be the friends "former friend"), and he says "I don't think he'll miiind~" with ODYSSEUS' RIFF, which with the piano in the background, gives me enough hint on who he's talking to and who they're talking _about_ :D yeah I kinda over-obsessed over this riff can you tell-)
One day I hope to be as amazing as a storyteller as Jay is, the other comments are right, this man is a genius.
I love this community so much, everyone is so detail-oriented that when they point out things, it makes listening to the songs even more amazing! You have created an AMAZING community around this musical, Mr jalapeño
I wanna see more of those analysis because they always make the best musical even better!
Wow. The details and thought put into this musical is absolutely insane!! Very thoughtful.
Hi Jay! I love your content so much! ❤
Hello Front_ensemble_Cass!! Thank you so much 🥹🙏🏼
@@JayHerrans No problem Jay! You deserve the recognition :)
This makes “We’ll be fine” SO much better. One of the big musical hints we have that Telemachus is talking to Athena is on how he sings “mind”. He sings it just like his father did (with the musical run). Not only does this show how similar Telemachus is to his father- it also shows the friendship and trust he is ready to give Athena. This could also show Athena’s forgiveness/yearning to reconnect with Odysseus-but we’ll have to wait until the full song comes out to see that.
YES!!!! I had this thought so many times!! It lives rent free in my head every time I think about it
I'm so geeked cause I noticed it and didn't put all the pieces together and it makes these songs just that much more awesome!
I've already noticed these tidbits in WOTM and My Goodbye by myself and with the helpful words of a kind commenter on TH-cam, but guhhhhh. It really hurt my heart when I realised the implications of Athena following Ody's running note(?) in WOTM and then going back to her original note by the end of My Goodbye. 😭
Nevertheless, thank you so much for the insightful video! With this, more people can know about this tidbit and cry with me. :,,,,)
Oh man, this song is just so fun to harmonize to, as well! I have a tendency to sing Ody's part in a higher key, and then hold the last note of the phrase "warrior of the mind" and harmonize with Athena's held note. It sounds so good in that chorus where Athena holds the note and Ody does the run and it hypes me up so much to sing it-
Epic
JAY IS LITERALLY A MUSICAL GENIUSSSS 🫶🫶🫶🫶✨
I’m so glad people notice this because I have no idea what is happening with the music I just love the songs
I love how much thought goes into this musical ❤ I’ve told all of my friends about it. You’re awesome Mr. Jalapeño!❤
Jorge, I love your songs, they all so great and filled with things that I can not notice but can feel being intended!
Okay, so I noticed this after the Cyclops saga came out. I love belting out as Athena, but runs are REALLY hard for me until I've ingrained the order of the notes in my head, and I realized it was the same run at the end of My Goodbye, and then went back to Warrior of the Mind. THAT'S when I noticed, oh hey, she only starts to sing "Mind" as a run AFTER Odysseus does it first, like she's learning and taking social cues from him just as he is from her. I thought it couldn't be that deep, so this confirmation is just giving me SO much VINDICATION right now. Bless you Mr. Jimbo-Pimbo
This was one of my favorite details! There's something so cool about using that riff for thematic purposes!
I didn't catch this one!!! Absolutely genius, Jay! And thank you for posting these awesome vids about other fans digging deep into to your music! I love the EPIC community!
Bro I have so much respect for all the people to pick up on those small but important details and so grateful to them for pointing it out so those of us who didn't notice can appreciate this musical on so many more levels, because the levels of genius Jay is putting into this seem endless.
And it's so cute to see how happy it makes Mr. Jalapeño 😊❤
I listened to WOTM for a year, maybe a year and a half and the thing is that I noticed these details before discovering that it's from a musical, and I just thought that it was really cool. When I knew WOTM for like half a year and I found "My Goodbye" and listened to it only for like, two times, because it ripped my heart apart(still does). I started listening to it like a year later when I discovered that these songs were from a musical. During that one and a half year I figured out that Athena has a melody so if I hear it I know she's near, and I also noticed the detail with different ways they sing that note. And when I got into EPIC and actually learned a lot of stuff about it, it was very interesting and even joyful hearing that this was done intentionally
I don’t notice all of these things but it is always fun seeing how much thought it put into it.
Ahhh I’ve been obsessed with this detail and hadn’t seen anyone mention it! So great 🤩
Why am I crying? This is so freaking beautiful and I didn't notice...
It makes me so happy to see how happy you are about people in your fandom and how you support them. It's so great, that you are so connected with your fandom!
I’ll admit, I never saw the parallels with the end of My Goodbye. I love these little details.
I like that it’s almost like Hamilton where you can track any song to a different song through the medleys that play to the lyrics that are sung by all the awesome singers/actors. All I want to say is well done mr jalapeño well done.
I'd noticed the part with warrior of the mind but didn't connect it to my goodbye ! This is so good !
I went back to listen for the "danger is nearby" motif Jay just posted a video about, and I just picked up on this independently while listening to WotM!!
This is awesome. I’m currently writing an analysis of the entirety of Epic (all of the songs and such), including theories, and ties from one song to another and what that could mean in my free time.
I’ll definitely show it off I finish it. 🎉🎉🎉
I had thought of this when i first stared listening to the songs, so happy i was right, really love all the midden detail he puts into his songs just immaculate if you ask me
Okay, why do I now want Athena doing that run again in God Games cause she's trying to help him again and if nothing else acknowledging that she does in fact care about his wellbeing?
My mind is BLOWN by just how much thought goes into every sound of EPIC. It’s such beautifully detailed storytelling in every note.
I actually noticed this bit when I tried singing Athena's part, I'm so happy someone pointed it out
I noticed this before but I thought I was thinking too deeply into it. It's such a small detail that I thought there was no way you would think of purposely doing that. Well I stand corrected and once again, I am amazed by how awesome you are👏
GENIUS! GENIUS I SAY 👏 the more I learn about this musical the happier I get 😂
I love how Jorge appreciates the fans
Your reactions are everything ahahaha, love how excited you are about this musical
I learn something new everyday! I didn't even notice that!
Woah. The thought put into this. I love learning these
What this kind of effect reminds me of is Athena standing tall and stoic at the top, as Odysseus runs carefree up and down. And when they get closer, Athena loses some of her regality and joins Odysseus in his mischief. God it's so well done
Not Jay vibing the whole time 😂
I remember seeing this video (the original posters) and it's just amazing!!!!
IVE NEVER NOTICED THIS! HOW HAVE I GONE THIS LONG WITHOUT NOTICING?! YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE GENIUS WITH DETAILS!
Woooow....this is... so amazing 👀
I like how people just noticing that kind of things
Just today when I was listening to "Survive" I realized that right in the beginning when Odysseus tells the crew how to defeat and escape Polyphemus, he uses the same melody he hears from Zeus in "The Horse and the Infant" when he tells him to throw Astyanax down the wall, which is genious because just like when he uses a cyclops against Circe later on, he takes up strategies he has been overpowered by and uses them to gain power in a later situation😊 I just LOVE all these references, you use them so brilliantly😍
It's also highlighted with the fact that Odysseus only ever sings the line in Athena's way in Remember Them when he's chastising Athena's mindset.
When he sings "Is this what it means to be a warrior of the mind?" He holds that note like Athena did. It's basically a "Is this what you wanted?" moment.
I can't even begin to describe how happy it makes me that I actually noticed all this without anyone pointing it out😂
My sister is so observant. Like very observant. Mind u we’re talking spoiling the _huge_ plot twist where berthold and reiner were the colossal and armored titan in Attack on Titan bc she noticed there was steam coming off of reiner when he should’ve died. (My aunt had to confirm it first bur damn im mad abt that). She also accidentally spoiles me in some animes bc of her very very keen observation. But this also has a good side to it. When listening to Warrior of the Mind, she pointed out this observation in the change of athena’s singing style. That made me appreciate the song even more.
Not sure if this has been acknowledged, but in a similar vein, there's a tidbit in "Survive" where Odysseus says the cyclops must be "dealt with right here and now."
This echoes the tidbit with Zeus in the Horse and the Infant, where he Zeus says the exact same thing to Ody with the exact same notes.
I know there's a connection, but I feel like I'm missing exactly why it's there. Is it to show that Odysseus is remembering what Zeus told him, and realizes that this cyclops represents that same threat to his returning home? Or am I reading too much into it, lol.
Any feedback is appreciated 😀
God damn that person is smart. Great analysis!
Ok so Wouldn't you like at the start of the song I swear I can hear an electric guitar while Hermes is introducing the plan. We know that everyone has instruments connected to them and we also know that God are actively controlling their own music. So this electric guitar is it from Hermes trying to entice Oydesseus into embracing his ruthless side? Or is it actually coming from Odysseus himself already willing and looking for an excuse to blow off some steam
THISSSS I KEPT THINOING THIS WHEN I REALIZED SHE DIDNT DO THE RUN AT FIRST AND THEN ODYSSEUS DID IT THEN ATHENA DID IT TOO AHHHH IM SO GLAD IM NOT CRAZY
OK now I have to ask was it the plan for make Poseidon voice seem a little scratchy at parts... as if he had some salt in his voice? I don't know, to me it sounds like that, and I love it. Of course Poseidon, god of the sea would have a raspy voice
Wait I wish I caught these!!
OMGGGGGGG
I'M NOT CRAZY
(I also found that on like my 2nd listen but haven't heard ppl really talk abt it, and when i tried explaining it to ppl around me they didn't get it)
One more thing: after Athena matches Ody's riff (or whatever it's called; I ain't a musical genius like some people - cough, cough, Jay) in WOTM, you can hear the music going back to Athena's high note. In my opinion, (maybe I'm wrong, BUT STILL!) I feel like this is foreshadowing to My Goodbye when Athena goes back to holding her high note. Just an observation, I might or might not be correct.
When the work finally gets noticed
Epic has so much LORRRREEEE
MR JALAPEÑO IS A SMARTIE PANTS
in remember them, odysseus cuts short on the word "mind" bc he's starting to doubt whether this lifestyle is the right one...the run goes both ways 🤔
So cool
BASTA LO AMO 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Omg how do people notice these things this is so cool
Wait does that mean, if Telemachus and Athena sing a song together they would be singing in perfect sync because they are closer than Odysseus and Athena
Jay just being a fan fan boy😂😂😂😂😂
Jay: 👁👄👁
So what are the names of the other sagas ? I read wisdom saga. Is that one of the names ?
Not going to lie, I had never noticed that. But it's true. Just as true as the good news of Eternal life. To get eternal life believe and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your one and only Savior. God Bless!
I stopped listening ro Cyclopes saga after Polites death (this man knows how to tramatize us...) but i still listen to My goodbye and Spotify right after WOTM put on MG that's when i noticed this and that the eneding seems like Athena still cares for Ody but again is really angry and stubborn. Maybe this hints some mire Athena later in another saga?
omg
why the hell did youtube put this in my notifications? im not even subscribed to this guy. i dont even know who he is
Probably just because this creator is quickly gaining traction, he’s in the process of producing a musical rendition of the odyssey and as more parts of it is released the bigger splash it makes. The most recent part he released was on valentines and that part alone had 1million listens after just 3 days. It’s called epic the musical, I highly recommend