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@@Law-of-EnTropy Hmmm... I'm kinda torn on watching those kinds of lore videos because it kinda spoils my enjoyment of discovering new stuff in the game. Plus, commenters like that are not contributing to the discussion. So far, I haven't seen a strong argument about the mismatched technology in ZZZ. Everyone who proposed the idea of "Ether shielding" just ate up the explanation without a second thought. And I don't think there's a good argument for having a VCR tape for watching movies when Belle literally has a laptop running a hard drive, and a phone that runs flash storage. As I said in the video, it's all styling approach.
I heard a theory that the wide usage of analog tech is because they are less likely to be taken over by the ether, so it is more of a safety factor that makes the world use "high tech" devices very sparingly
It is an interesting theory. If the Ether acts like an ionizing radiation, then yes, analog magnetic tape is less likely to be damaged than SSDs. This is called Single-Event Upset where the bits in the storage can flip, causing data corruption. The only thing that bothers me is that various devices outside of the Hollow also uses analog. And then, they have modern phones which definitely don't use tapes. Otherwise, it will be bulky as heck. Then, most of the military stuff uses modern LCDs too, including those in HIA and on Camp Scott. If your theory is correct, then these devices should be more likely to be retro CRTs and Tapes. But they're not.
@@FeyHunt it might be simply be massively expensive to build ether resistant tech (like bangboos, the creation of which was such an achievement their inventor is ranked among the void hunters) which explains why advanced technology still exists within the HIA and Camp Scott given that these are institute operated zones what have plenty of resources on hand. But then again given that this is just 1.0 I trust that it's not because the world building is completely nonsensical, it's just that we haven't been given enough details yet and these will be further explained as more of the story and world is revealed to us. I feel that the technology in this game is a major plot point waiting to be covered and not just an aesthetic choice. I could be wrong but I think it's abit too early in the life of the franchise to judge.
@@cuscoothriyas5163 No, what I'm saying is if analog tech is more resistant to Ether corruption, why do all technologies used in Camp Scott are all digital like LCDs? Shouldn't they be analog CRTs too to avoid Ether corruption from being close to the source at all times?
@@FeyHunt Like I said. It appears possible to build digital tech with ether resistance but it likely is prohibitively expensive, so it's only used when either absolutely necessary (smartphones, bangboos) or when the organisation has the resources to commit to a full digital setup (Camp Scott, HIA). I'm just speculating atm
@@cuscoothriyas5163 But why bother with building digital tech then? Minimize the risk on military tech, because any mistake could be fatal. Civilians don't have explosives or missiles. If it's possible to create some kind of Ether shielding, why don't they just put it on the analog tech? Therefore, you made it even more resistant to Ether corruption, making them last longer.
The Honkai has also done weirder things than changing someone's eye color like summoning anime girl monsters and rejecting most people with a Y chromosome
@@OriginsOrange Then again, HSR was never sci-fi. It is a fantasy Star Trek. So you can just wave them off as magic. Nobody asked how Acheron's hair turns white. They know it's there, but they just shrugs and say it's cool. Same with Nous. Nobody asked the physics on becoming an Aeon. Mihoyo writers tried to explain the physics of Imaginary Tree in the last chapters of Honkai Impact Part 1, and the story suffers a lot in the process. It's a bit different for ZZZ because it was supposed to be more grounded, street-level storyline. Though, I imagined that will change soon into anime swordfight with that last trailer.
@@OriginsOrange Exactly my point. Nobody asked why does Y chromosome has weak Honkai resistance. And it's better if the game doesn't explain the biology at all. Just accept it and move on. The only exception is if they have good ideas to write the plot around that information. Maybe if the First Herrscher was a result of genetic splicing, and how Welt is a tube-baby or something.
The computer in question, nous,had gained sentience and therefore could follow a path or become an aeon(which is what happened). Sentience,even only a sliver(such as in the case of tazzy) is all It's needed to contribute to a path via imaginary energy,stride on a path,become an emanator or become an aeon altogether.[Boy this got long]
@@heppelhopv2 I would love if HSR someday explored the idea of "what is sentience?" to explain that. If some logic circuits can become a god or contribute to a path... what is the lowest common requirement? Can I just write a book about all knowledge of the world in a book and suddenly it gains sentience? Can I just preach about nihility to a squirrel and it will be an Emanator when it lost its nuts?
New eridu as far as we know is the last remnant of human civilization if i remember correctly, so my guess is the city developed a waste not want not mindset By focusing on streamlining the more analog tech for everyday public use and digital being very scarce and expensive to produce in new eridu is for when your gonna USE to its full potential and I remember hearing about digital tech being susceptible to ether corruption i forgot where to so take this part with a grain of salt.
Hmmm... I haven't fully finished the main story yet, but if New Eridu is literally the last human civilization... Yeah, I'd say you're on point. Military and defense spending will be their top priority, along with infrastructure. Factories that produces entertainment would be rather limited, since all major businesses will aim to work with the military. But if it's true, then New Eridu is too chill for its own good. A new Hollow could appear anytime in the city like in 14th street, so why aren't they doing military conscription for anyone with high Ether resistance?
@@zarkgo4554 But that is voluntary. You would think if the whole city is in dire strait, they would be more desperate for new hires. Especially knowing these talents are not made in a day. I'd say having a two year conscription should be mandatory for the city, since that means they'll have a reserve forces ready to be used if it goes bad. Real life nations like South Korea had this in mind if they ever need to go to war.
@@FeyHunt based on story so far it feels like fire force world building as hallows not only act as curse but boom to many cause that's why it's kind of lucrative being a hallow raider. Based of themes they going on they also have mythical beings living among them so i can't say that theirs any sort of rationality to make similarities to common relative facts. I also forgot to mention they also seem to have heavy usage of technological utility with cyborgs and sentinel beings to help both combat and civilian line of work. Theres also outer sector that's said to be barren land which sons of calydon faction mentions they do venture out and come back to city for resupplying. At best what I could say it's really has better world building as they keep mentioning old civilisation alot hinting technology advancement might have been peaked or dropped later timeline. So far personally world building is kind of consistent becz i feel they would slowly cover them up or leave as it for veiwers to interpret it.
@@zarkgo4554 No, I get that it's a thriving business to go in and out of Hollows. This would mean that they have a stable economy and not in an active crisis. If they stick to this, I would be happy. But if they would later reveal that they are in active crisis and that the Hollows are becoming more common, I will flip out and swear obscenely. Imo, the worldbuilding in this world is... okay. It's the type of worldbuilding that's workable, but don't stare it too much or it will start to break down. That's the point of this video
@@Lin-ij9vk Pretty much! Unless you created a plot line around that specific concept, in which case, you better explain it well. For example: if there will ever be a plotline that explains how someone wants to get those elemental powers, you better explain how they can get it. Otherwise, you'll have a scene where that character just got it suddenly.
The way I interpreted it was that things with a Purpose (phones, computers, vehicles etc) they continued evolving But for entertainment like movies, tv and games the world of ZZZ prefers to stay in the past because it’s a reminder of a time before when the world was better.
@@SomberP Now, I do appreciate optimistic outlook. The 80s is in fact, economically better for everyone in real life. But that's just not true in terms of ZZZ worldbuilding. VR devices is a recent addition and everyone seems to like it. Plus, there are new VCR tapes coming in later to the shop. Digital files are always better than VCR. The lines between things "with purpose" is just an arbitrary line. TVs can be entertainment, but it's also important for work to the siblings. That's why they have both LCD and CRT TVs in their HDD backroom. And then there's the HIA. They exclusively uses LCDs. You won't find any CRT TVs there.
@@heppelhopv2 yeah! And I would guess that space age technology may have been what brought on the Hollows and created the apocalypse scenario. So the people of new Ediru may prefer to use non advanced technology for entertainment because it helps them not think about the technologically advanced apocalypse that they’re in. It’s just my headcannon
@@FeyHunt you brought on two other good examples actually Wise and Belle use HD flatscreen TV’s for work, but watch movies on a crtv. And VR headsets exist, but the only way people seem to use it in new Ediru is to train for fighting Hollows, there’s no sight of a vr headset in the arcade. When people want to relax they seem to want to use retro tech
Hey, very good video. While watching it, I was trying to find a real - yet imaginary - reason of why this differences of technologies. There is a moment, chapt 3, when the Cunning Rabbits are watching TV. It's a CRT TV. In our staff room or chambers, it's also a CRT TV. The only flat screens are from staff room's PC or more "company" type of building (like the metro or some shops in Lumina). So maybe, as a pure fantasy, It could be that flat-screen are expensive ? In the same chapter 3, when Nicole receive a specific text - without spoilers - she does not even have a smartphone, it's an old flip phone, and we know how much she cares about money, so maybe she would not even buy a smartphone/flat-screen phone because of the price ? I know this idea is a bit far-fetched, but we don't see a lot of flat-screen, and we don't see a lot of phones neither. We also know that our store is not that successful only because Belle and Wise were not really into it, yet, they had no problem to buy all their tech equipments & HDD build, so the work as proxy seems to be quite good, and from Nicole's POV, quite extensive, as in prologue, Billy even thought that she would let Andy and him die because Phaethon was expensive. They could have began with low-tech CRT screens/low-end PC, and upgrade with time as Phaethon was the biggest proxy in the city, which could explain why they have these kind of screens ? Well in the end, nice video, it was just a YT recommendation, but it was fun to think about this world-buiding, well-played !
@@Haykeau Hey, thanks for the food for thought! There two interpretations about this weird LCD phenomenon in ZZZ. One, this game is located somewhere in the 80s-2000s from the Cassette Futurism trope. If so, it does make sense that LCD is a new display on the market and makes it so damn expensive. But the only problem is... the level of quality of all LCD technologies in New Eridu is 2010s at the very least. It's not just the screen tech, the amount of technology they can compact into their smartphones just doesn't exist in the 80s-2000s. And we're not even talking about the VR displays, which either must be so crappy or way even better than in real life. My second interpretation is just that ZZZ is set in the futuristic 2040 with a weird timeline where VCR and CRT becomes so good, competitive with LCDs and USB drives, and widely supported by hardcore audience. The biggest proof is that the siblings just prefer CRT for their movies, but they uses LCDs for their PCs and HDD, if you look at Belle's laptop in her room or Wise's sick gaming setup. As for the AI, I think it's just common trope in retro-futurism where the people in the past just invented AI before anything else. Even though the implication would be insane if you think about it. It's not just Billy, all the Bangboos are also there. They must be running the most insane NVIDIA 8090s in those tiny bodies 😂😂
@@FeyHunt Yeah, in the end, it does not have any consistency between all these world elements. It reminds me a bit the Fallout serie, where they have AI, inifnite power but still have weird CRT TV 30 or 40 years after our own time. When I look back to our technological development, when you had the first smartphone, first flat screens, first LCD screens, every constructors went mad about it and went full R&D. But in the end, the style of the game is really refreshing, to have this kind of CRT revolution, it's a really cool artistic direction. Anyway, you've won a new sub, so just continue on this, it was really cool to watch :)
@@Haykeau Hell yeah! Thank you! It was nice talking with you! Yeah, I was comparing a lot to Fallout series as well. The timeline is kinda messed because of the nukes and vaults, but it's a great dieselpunk series. Though, again... I have to wonder how did they make AIs like ED-E in New Vegas and then jumped to energy weapons but skipped making "smart pip-boys" for everyone else. Again, it's one of those worldbuilding where you just have to accept it and move on. Don't stare at it too much, or it will fall apart. That's the point of this video!
I'm glad ZZZ is like this. All gacha games are silly to some degree, so having one that embraces that to such an enjoyable degree is something I really love.
This actually applies to most fictional concepts. Take any cool ability or superpower from a work of fiction and try to dissect it and think about how it works on a deeper, more detailed level, and your head will start spinning. Fiction works because we suspend our disbelief and accept that the fantastical elements are held together by the assumption that we won't question it. Sometimes these disparities are more obvious, like the cassette tapes, CRTs, flat screens, and smartphones, but they apply to almost everything, even stuff you've never thought of before. That's why so many abilities in fiction are called "magic": by definition, they cannot be explained by rational, logical, or scientific thought. Some brain-bending examples for thought: How does telekinesis work? How does your brain know the parameters of the object you're trying to pick up? What if you can't see the full object? Do you even have to be able to see the object? What about teleportation? Your body is taking up space. If you teleport somewhere without replacing the space that you leave, you would create a vacuum that air would rush to fill. And air takes up space, too. Teleportation is more likely to actually be switching your body with whatever matter is where you are teleporting to. So if you teleport underwater, shouldn't the space you were at get the water you just replaced? And how does your brain know exactly what place in space you want to teleport to? What if you mess it up? The world is spinning too. If you teleport into space, do you keep the velocity you were spinning around the earth at? How does flight even work? What exactly is superman doing to make himself fly around? Is it more like exclusively self-targeting telekinesis? You get the idea lol
@@dangangalaxy9759 Hey there! You are raising two very interesting discussion topic about "suspension of disbelief" and "versimilitude". Suspension of disbelief varies wildly from genre to genre, and it depends on the settings. In fantasy, we have learned to accept magic very easily when we see people flinging fireballs at each other. We no longer question it. Part of it is subjective, of course. But when it comes to ZZZ, since its setting is so close to our reality, I find it harder to suspend my disbelief that the technology on this world is so messed up. This kind of breaks immersion. Imagine if in real life right now, everyone has phones and laptops... But every movie is always stored in VCR tapes. Like WHY? That's ZZZ for you. At the very least, I have to question the logic behind it. Maybe there's some worldbuilding quirks that is interesting to think about. Similar to how in Dune spitting is a sign of utmost respect because their world is entirely desert. Of course, not everyone is like me. In this video I was looking at it from the angle of "well, that's interesting". And I come out with the explanation that they just want to have retro tech aesthetic without actually being in the 80s.
Something I wonder about the EXP Cassette, is... It is an EXP Recording. You hear it, you learn it. You get some EXPerience from the one who recorded it.
Yeah, I figured Phaethon probably asked them to watch action movies so they could copy it. The interesting part is that they want to show it on tape. They do have cloud servers so... why not watch it in their laptops or phones? That's the weird part.
Very good well balanced observations. I haven’t played a Hoyo game before this but I fell deep into ZZZ SPECIFICALLY for the retro futuristic urban style
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah this game is weirdly addictive, even though the combat is pretty simplistic. Hoyo is just great at making polished vibes, I'll give them that much.
My theory is that it is a cultural thing. Maybe a lot of analog techs are old civilization tech salvaged from within the Hollows. Since Ethers corrupt digital tech, the smarter it is, the easier it corrupts, then perhaps these analog techs are just some of the easiest and earliest resources to be retrieved and sold without the worry about software issues. Analog tech becomes this symbol of incorruptible so society refuse to leave them behind.
That's what I'm leaning to believe too. There's no other way around it. They just decided to use VCR tapes to watch movies and only movies. This digital tech gets corrupted more easily theory has been having me scratching my head. Where did you find it in the game?
I just arrived to your video today, and i saw someone explained the reason why we still have old and new gen gadgets. Most gadgets can be easily corrupted due to them functioning on ETHER . Yes they mine the Ether for their gadgets it is stated in the lore aswell when you see people doing contraband, and ether source is a very EXPENSIVE thing since it can boost gadgets to limitless capabilities but at the cost of being corrupted by corruption. If you played the story through chapter 2 at least when we have the Belobog industry Ark you will see how literally all the machineries got corroded instantly at the last fight due to high lvls of ether. The old gadgets functioning on the old ways aka batteries,plug-ins are the safest since they dont rely on Ether to function. Thats basically the reason behind the old gadgets mostly seen in the civilization. Hope this clariffied some missunderstandings ^_^. PS: i am a lore lover and i read all dialogues and every item in a game which to me shows a way to pay respect to the developers of a game. Enjoying the heck out of the game: IK 52. All content done ^_^
@@cris9485 Yeah, that is what the game tells you, as a lot of people have said here. But I don't believe it, since the game somehow contradicts it in different ways. Let's think about it together, beyond what the game tells us. These people somehow ONLY use VCR tapes when watching their movies, when they can easily copy their movies with USB sticks or watch it on their phone and laptop. Sources: In the interlude chapter where we meet Zhu Yuan and Qingyi, Wise said that PubSec gave away free movies, but it's all tapes. Also in the recent rhythm game event, everyone wants their VCR player fixed. There's never been a single case where people copy movies through anything other than VCR tapes. Some people also pointed out that retro tech are less likely to be corrupted, which is also contradicted by the game itself where they exclusively using modern tech in Scott Outpost, the place closest to Hollow Zero, a source of Ether radiation. For reliability sake, shouldn't the military be exclusively using retro tech? If any of their weapons get corrupted, that could cause catastrophic failures, like if a rocket launcher misfire and hit a civilian instead.
@@FeyHunt I wanted to point out the Scott Outpost thing but i said ill let you mention it 1st. The ScoTT Outpost uses this because they have the anti corruption system in place, which is HELLA expensive. The outdated technology wouldnt be able to measure the Hollows in the OutPost. As you saw they have alot of high end tech there,compared to the city.
@@cris9485 Sure, I get that they have Ether corruption shielding. The military usually has an infinite budget. But there's a reliability concern when you're running any military tech. There is a good reason why the US military today still uses Windows XP. They want to ensure reliability. They don't want even a 1:1000 chance that their weapons won't fire because of an error in a recent Windows version. This is an IRL example of the military preferring old tech over new tech for reliability reasons. My point is, that I doubt that the military in New Eridu will prefer modern tech just because of the off-chance that the shielding fails in the middle of combat. Instead, I think they will be more likely to use the shielding and exclusively use retro tech just because they are less likely to get corrupted. On another note, I haven't been able to find the direct sources in the game explaining this "retro vs modern" tech. Where can I find it in the game?
@@FeyHunt this info can be found in the subquests, it mentions in them about how Ether material is being farmed, even Nicole at some point sells that stuff from the Hollows and you can find in her trust event dialogue when she hides from some loansharks. And the part about the part of old tech not being corruptable can be found in dialogues of grace events and even in the belobog industry chapter we can see Geroy, the 1st prototype of the heavy industry machines from Belobog being there for so many years, yet that thing never got corrupted, meanwhile the other machines got corrupted in an instant when that unknown ether thing used his corrosion wave.
@@cris9485 Huh, is the entire theory that retro tech can't be corrupted just hinges on that one example? Is there any other proof? This is from that content creator video about the lore, right?
I feel like the usage of cassette tapes and other old tech is slightly understandable because we still have people to this day that collect and use vinyls.
That's not the point here. Of course, there are still people uses vinyls. In ZZZ it's way more common to find CRT TVs than flatscreen in civilian settings, same with VCRs. So the real life paralel would be if most people don't like to put music on their phones. They just like to use walkman while jogging and only listen to vinyls at home. Their phones are left only for calls.
except ZZZ does explain the niche that old tech offer over new one Hollow will corrupt and take control living being or device with any swntient capacity even just a little bit is enough to get corrupted Analog technology are entirely immune to this while human try to develop smart device that can resist corruption in the mean time analog tech is a good investment
It is an interesting theory. If the Ether acts like an ionizing radiation, then yes, analog magnetic tape is less likely to be damaged than SSDs. This is called Single-Event Upset where the bits in the storage can flip, causing data corruption. The only thing that bothers me is that various devices outside of the Hollow also uses analog. And then, they have modern phones which definitely don't use tapes. Otherwise, it will be bulky as heck. Then, most of the military stuff uses modern LCDs too, including those in HIA and on Camp Scott. If your theory is correct, then these devices should be more likely to be retro CRTs and Tapes. But they're not. So either they're not consistent, or that's not it.
@@FeyHunt well there also the accessibilty part since analog device don't get corrupt some of this was retrieve from inside the hollow and re-use military use robot because they are more useful and they got some hollow resistant o it can work for quite some time before has to be taken out
@@Rat_Fบcker No, what I'm saying is if analog tech is more resistant to Ether corruption, why do all technologies used in Camp Scott are all digital like LCDs? Shouldn't they be analog CRTs too to avoid Ether corruption from being close to the source at all times?
@@FeyHunt because scott outpost is outside of hollow? also it's military camp they got tax money and like i said analog technology is niche it's good to use it to do something that don't need modern tech but if modern tech is really needed then they have no choice
@@Rat_Fบcker Currently, I'm arguing the point you and the game made about analog technologies are more resistant to Ether. Not about the price. If the outpost that was closer to the source of the Ether uses digital (which can be disrupted by Ether), then why does civilian uses analog? Shouldn't it be the other way around? To avoid Ether corruption, the military should be using analog, to minimize risk.
dude do you know that there is a CD that is now getting develop by Sony and Philips can hold 1.4 Petabit? 🤣 I just saw that 11 days ago uploaded by ColdFusion. but anyway ZzZ is Dangerous. coz if they got on the top of the charts, they may forever change the industry. Coz right now it looks like ZzZ deliberately Develop and build their world building in such a way they can put a physical store inside their game with any company collaboration they would have in the future. Imagine KFC in Lumina Square. 🤣🤣 (we all knew Genshin loves collaborating with KFC)
@@ChibiKeruchan Yes, I've heard of that CD. Some modern mass storage server can still be found using tapes. They trade speed for cheaper price and everlasting endurance. But again, those two examples are not consumer grade. Those 1.4 petabit is hella expensive. What I want in ZZZ is a quest to find the secret KFC recipe from the past civilization. Then you open a shop to restore its former glory 😄😄
ZZZ is not set on an age of retro but advanced tech until the Hollows manifested World entered a technological regression as seen on New Eridu because analog are cheaper more accessible and more resistant to ether corruption ( they now use Ether as resource )
Hmmm... I don't believe that entirely, just because the mint quality these modern device have. Those phones and laptops are more likely to be made recently. I haven't seen any mention of salvaging operation where they go into the ruins of the old world to find phones and laptops. This analog is more resistance to Ether corruption is kinda flawed just because the military stuff uses modern LCDs too, including those in HIA and on Camp Scott. If your theory is correct, then these devices should be more likely to be retro CRTs and Tapes to avoid data corruption. But they're not.
@@FeyHunt Thanks for the reply you have points in the HIA using some of the modern but theres the existence of the towers which said to holdback the hollow zero the one speaking in the lore video said that its an over exaggeration that they have full control but that seems like they hold them back to an extent anyway VERY GOOD Points, we need more infos and the full story is still up in the air
@@HotaruExtori Nice discussion with you too! I am developing a theory that the government DOESN'T want Hollows to be gone. They've already built an economy around this anomaly, with Ether powering the cities. They just wanted to maintain the status quo.
Then here is some explaining: all CPUs can be corrupted by ether, ether protection is expensive. For military tech - its fine, but for entertainment ? nah, better use analog TVs which have no CPUs to be corrupted, and what they can display? only analog tapes and discs. Also, its a lot safer, which is shown in the story - one flash drive and they lost years of work for account, while analog stuff is fully safe. And finally - they complain about electricity bills, because PCs require extra for ether protection, making analog TVs more cost efficient.
@@Siolioli I find so many problems with your theory. - What about phones then? Phones do have CPUs in them, even flip phones like Nicole's. - Nothing is safe. Everything can be corrupted, even non-electronics. That's why Billy stores his movie poster in an Ether-resistant strongbox. Similar to Corin's mirror and Anton's lintroller. These strongboxes are those you find in the C41 Hollow. - Ether protection comes in many forms, like plating in W-Engines or coating like paints. The electricity bill has nothing to do with it.
I think the VCR and stuff are there cuz hacking is prevalent in this universe I think?? so these older devices has better security than smart devices. But they are still widely used.
That's not how it works. VCR is just a data storage type. It's basically a worse hard disk. The proper analogue in our current time is like saying that hard drive is better than SSD because it's less hackable. What's hackable is the operating system and data inside of the computer. And despite showing all the retro tech, their computer processor are beyond modern hardware. So if they choose to run on tapes, it will only slow their file transfer down. Saying that old devices have better security is just... not true. That also doesn't work with LCDs vs CRT TVs. It's just a display monitor. You can easily use CRT in our modern time if you have the adapter for it, but most people choose not to due to its image quality.
According to your sibling when you're hacked, they can move the video of the Cunning Hares into those tapes to play it somewhere else. So it's like their USB memory stick. Plus it's heavily implied that all of your level up materials are used to make movie clips. The whole story is turned into movies like in the video archive. As for the encryption... it could mean anything really. Encryption can be done at different levels, even ones that can be easily hackable.
If you play around a bit more, there will be some information about how high and advanced technology is easily corroded by the ether, which I believe is also the reason we really don't see too many new TVs/monitors. in the game because to prevent them from being easily corroded, they will be very expensive In addition, our era in real life is considered the old era of games, and at the same time it is the era of the 6 void hunters. I think games like Fallout, although set in the near future, still use a lot of old-fashioned items I feel like this is just a video to create controversy and it doesn't really prove anything, I mean I skip 80 90% of the dialogue almost every time and can still know this kinda false
@@Some1over I get that there are other content creators out there that thrive on sparking random controversies. I hate them too. But how is this a video to spark controversy? I defended ZZZ's worldbuilding while using it as a platform to teach common writing techniques. You would see that my content upload is all about this educational angle if you look at my last 10 uploads. By the way, if I am to spark controversy, then I failed miserably by just gaining 2k views. I am not interested in that kind of video either. With that out of the way, I don't buy that digital easily corroded by Ether explanation because Outpost Scott exclusively only uses digital tech. Notice the amount of flatscreen LCDs and ipad in there. You would think that the site that is closest to the Ether source would use mostly analog tech to avoid corruption risk, especially with military weapons. But they don't. There's more to it that the game is not telling us.
@@FeyHunt Then I apologize for misunderstanding your intention and thank you for contributing to us in a non-toxic way! And I think I have a bit of evidence for my argument, besides the dialogue in the game, we have a series of 3 items called Plating Agents - they are the things we use to plate Drive Discs in the game. And in the description it is mentioned that Plating Agents are often used to protect technology items from corrosion (or I believe). From then on, I believe my thesis is quite correct, because to plate high-tech items, a lot of quality plating materials will be needed, so the price will also be higher. We don't know too much about the Wise brothers' past. so I also think that using antiques is their hobby. Old TVs will be quite easy to plate for protection, but a new TV will have more complex components, thereby increasing the quality and price. I am really surprised and grateful that you took the time to read and express your thoughts to me in such a long paragraph. have a good day! p/s English may not be my native language so it may not be very fluent, sorry for that
@@FeyHunt Actually fun fact during my playthrough I also noticed that Belle's phone looked like half a brick (not because it was orange haha) it was quite thick and seemed to be 'protected' quite well
@@FeyHunt In addition, there is a conversation between Qingyi and Zhu Yuan that mentions that Qingyi (she herself is a robot) has been processed to resist/prevent corrosion. So I think most of the new generation machines or robots have been treated for corrosion, except for technologies that are not yet advanced/have not been invested in too much like construction site machines.
@@Some1over Hey, I also apologize for pushing back too hard. It's just very exhausting to be called out as controversy bait when all I wanted is to open the discussion about things I love. I'm still rather torn on this theory as well. If this plating protection is so commonplace now, then whether analog or digital tech shouldn't be an issue they should consider if they need to choose. You HAVE to take the digital ones. No brainer. Mainly because the convenience, like having lighter LCD than CRT monitors. I'm leaning towards the retro tech is just the siblings hobby, but the people around them (various shops) also seem to follow their retro preference. I think I still need to see more before I reached my conclusion, since I am in the middle of Chapter 2 now.
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you realize that this gets explained in the game?
@@AnimeeNoa Where? I haven't got that far yet in the game, only around 20 hours in. I would appreciate if you point that out.
Ashikai's video, "Beginner's Lore Guide to Zenless Zone Zero", might help answer many of the questions you asked in the beginning
@@Law-of-EnTropy Hmmm... I'm kinda torn on watching those kinds of lore videos because it kinda spoils my enjoyment of discovering new stuff in the game.
Plus, commenters like that are not contributing to the discussion. So far, I haven't seen a strong argument about the mismatched technology in ZZZ.
Everyone who proposed the idea of "Ether shielding" just ate up the explanation without a second thought.
And I don't think there's a good argument for having a VCR tape for watching movies when Belle literally has a laptop running a hard drive, and a phone that runs flash storage. As I said in the video, it's all styling approach.
I heard a theory that the wide usage of analog tech is because they are less likely to be taken over by the ether, so it is more of a safety factor that makes the world use "high tech" devices very sparingly
It is an interesting theory. If the Ether acts like an ionizing radiation, then yes, analog magnetic tape is less likely to be damaged than SSDs. This is called Single-Event Upset where the bits in the storage can flip, causing data corruption.
The only thing that bothers me is that various devices outside of the Hollow also uses analog. And then, they have modern phones which definitely don't use tapes. Otherwise, it will be bulky as heck.
Then, most of the military stuff uses modern LCDs too, including those in HIA and on Camp Scott. If your theory is correct, then these devices should be more likely to be retro CRTs and Tapes. But they're not.
@@FeyHunt it might be simply be massively expensive to build ether resistant tech (like bangboos, the creation of which was such an achievement their inventor is ranked among the void hunters) which explains why advanced technology still exists within the HIA and Camp Scott given that these are institute operated zones what have plenty of resources on hand.
But then again given that this is just 1.0 I trust that it's not because the world building is completely nonsensical, it's just that we haven't been given enough details yet and these will be further explained as more of the story and world is revealed to us.
I feel that the technology in this game is a major plot point waiting to be covered and not just an aesthetic choice. I could be wrong but I think it's abit too early in the life of the franchise to judge.
@@cuscoothriyas5163 No, what I'm saying is if analog tech is more resistant to Ether corruption, why do all technologies used in Camp Scott are all digital like LCDs?
Shouldn't they be analog CRTs too to avoid Ether corruption from being close to the source at all times?
@@FeyHunt Like I said. It appears possible to build digital tech with ether resistance but it likely is prohibitively expensive, so it's only used when either absolutely necessary (smartphones, bangboos) or when the organisation has the resources to commit to a full digital setup (Camp Scott, HIA). I'm just speculating atm
@@cuscoothriyas5163 But why bother with building digital tech then? Minimize the risk on military tech, because any mistake could be fatal. Civilians don't have explosives or missiles.
If it's possible to create some kind of Ether shielding, why don't they just put it on the analog tech? Therefore, you made it even more resistant to Ether corruption, making them last longer.
If we're being honest the paths in HSR have done much weirder things than change someone's hair color like turning a computer into a literal god
The Honkai has also done weirder things than changing someone's eye color like summoning anime girl monsters and rejecting most people with a Y chromosome
@@OriginsOrange Then again, HSR was never sci-fi. It is a fantasy Star Trek. So you can just wave them off as magic. Nobody asked how Acheron's hair turns white. They know it's there, but they just shrugs and say it's cool.
Same with Nous. Nobody asked the physics on becoming an Aeon.
Mihoyo writers tried to explain the physics of Imaginary Tree in the last chapters of Honkai Impact Part 1, and the story suffers a lot in the process.
It's a bit different for ZZZ because it was supposed to be more grounded, street-level storyline. Though, I imagined that will change soon into anime swordfight with that last trailer.
@@OriginsOrange Exactly my point. Nobody asked why does Y chromosome has weak Honkai resistance. And it's better if the game doesn't explain the biology at all. Just accept it and move on.
The only exception is if they have good ideas to write the plot around that information. Maybe if the First Herrscher was a result of genetic splicing, and how Welt is a tube-baby or something.
The computer in question, nous,had gained sentience and therefore could follow a path or become an aeon(which is what happened). Sentience,even only a sliver(such as in the case of tazzy) is all It's needed to contribute to a path via imaginary energy,stride on a path,become an emanator or become an aeon altogether.[Boy this got long]
@@heppelhopv2 I would love if HSR someday explored the idea of "what is sentience?" to explain that. If some logic circuits can become a god or contribute to a path... what is the lowest common requirement?
Can I just write a book about all knowledge of the world in a book and suddenly it gains sentience? Can I just preach about nihility to a squirrel and it will be an Emanator when it lost its nuts?
New eridu as far as we know is the last remnant of human civilization if i remember correctly, so my guess is the city developed a waste not want not mindset
By focusing on streamlining the more analog tech for everyday public use and digital being very scarce and expensive to produce in new eridu is for when your gonna USE to its full potential
and I remember hearing about digital tech being susceptible to ether corruption i forgot where to so take this part with a grain of salt.
Hmmm... I haven't fully finished the main story yet, but if New Eridu is literally the last human civilization... Yeah, I'd say you're on point.
Military and defense spending will be their top priority, along with infrastructure. Factories that produces entertainment would be rather limited, since all major businesses will aim to work with the military.
But if it's true, then New Eridu is too chill for its own good. A new Hollow could appear anytime in the city like in 14th street, so why aren't they doing military conscription for anyone with high Ether resistance?
@@FeyHuntiirc they do have recruitment schemes and schools that enroll high ether resistance individuals for frontline/investigation
@@zarkgo4554 But that is voluntary. You would think if the whole city is in dire strait, they would be more desperate for new hires. Especially knowing these talents are not made in a day.
I'd say having a two year conscription should be mandatory for the city, since that means they'll have a reserve forces ready to be used if it goes bad.
Real life nations like South Korea had this in mind if they ever need to go to war.
@@FeyHunt based on story so far it feels like fire force world building as hallows not only act as curse but boom to many cause that's why it's kind of lucrative being a hallow raider. Based of themes they going on they also have mythical beings living among them so i can't say that theirs any sort of rationality to make similarities to common relative facts. I also forgot to mention they also seem to have heavy usage of technological utility with cyborgs and sentinel beings to help both combat and civilian line of work.
Theres also outer sector that's said to be barren land which sons of calydon faction mentions they do venture out and come back to city for resupplying. At best what I could say it's really has better world building as they keep mentioning old civilisation alot hinting technology advancement might have been peaked or dropped later timeline.
So far personally world building is kind of consistent becz i feel they would slowly cover them up or leave as it for veiwers to interpret it.
@@zarkgo4554 No, I get that it's a thriving business to go in and out of Hollows. This would mean that they have a stable economy and not in an active crisis. If they stick to this, I would be happy.
But if they would later reveal that they are in active crisis and that the Hollows are becoming more common, I will flip out and swear obscenely.
Imo, the worldbuilding in this world is... okay. It's the type of worldbuilding that's workable, but don't stare it too much or it will start to break down. That's the point of this video
so in short "It's Magic. I Ain't Gotta Explain Shit."
or perhaps "It's Hacking. I Ain't Gotta Explain Shit."?
@@Lin-ij9vk Pretty much! Unless you created a plot line around that specific concept, in which case, you better explain it well.
For example: if there will ever be a plotline that explains how someone wants to get those elemental powers, you better explain how they can get it. Otherwise, you'll have a scene where that character just got it suddenly.
The way I interpreted it was that things with a Purpose (phones, computers, vehicles etc) they continued evolving
But for entertainment like movies, tv and games the world of ZZZ prefers to stay in the past because it’s a reminder of a time before when the world was better.
@@SomberP Now, I do appreciate optimistic outlook. The 80s is in fact, economically better for everyone in real life.
But that's just not true in terms of ZZZ worldbuilding. VR devices is a recent addition and everyone seems to like it. Plus, there are new VCR tapes coming in later to the shop. Digital files are always better than VCR.
The lines between things "with purpose" is just an arbitrary line. TVs can be entertainment, but it's also important for work to the siblings. That's why they have both LCD and CRT TVs in their HDD backroom.
And then there's the HIA. They exclusively uses LCDs. You won't find any CRT TVs there.
In zzz,there is an old civilization that got wiped out by the hollows.They had space age technology!
@@heppelhopv2 yeah! And I would guess that space age technology may have been what brought on the Hollows and created the apocalypse scenario.
So the people of new Ediru may prefer to use non advanced technology for entertainment because it helps them not think about the technologically advanced apocalypse that they’re in.
It’s just my headcannon
@@FeyHunt you brought on two other good examples actually
Wise and Belle use HD flatscreen TV’s for work, but watch movies on a crtv.
And VR headsets exist, but the only way people seem to use it in new Ediru is to train for fighting Hollows, there’s no sight of a vr headset in the arcade.
When people want to relax they seem to want to use retro tech
Hey, very good video. While watching it, I was trying to find a real - yet imaginary - reason of why this differences of technologies. There is a moment, chapt 3, when the Cunning Rabbits are watching TV. It's a CRT TV. In our staff room or chambers, it's also a CRT TV. The only flat screens are from staff room's PC or more "company" type of building (like the metro or some shops in Lumina). So maybe, as a pure fantasy, It could be that flat-screen are expensive ? In the same chapter 3, when Nicole receive a specific text - without spoilers - she does not even have a smartphone, it's an old flip phone, and we know how much she cares about money, so maybe she would not even buy a smartphone/flat-screen phone because of the price ?
I know this idea is a bit far-fetched, but we don't see a lot of flat-screen, and we don't see a lot of phones neither. We also know that our store is not that successful only because Belle and Wise were not really into it, yet, they had no problem to buy all their tech equipments & HDD build, so the work as proxy seems to be quite good, and from Nicole's POV, quite extensive, as in prologue, Billy even thought that she would let Andy and him die because Phaethon was expensive. They could have began with low-tech CRT screens/low-end PC, and upgrade with time as Phaethon was the biggest proxy in the city, which could explain why they have these kind of screens ?
Well in the end, nice video, it was just a YT recommendation, but it was fun to think about this world-buiding, well-played !
@@Haykeau Hey, thanks for the food for thought!
There two interpretations about this weird LCD phenomenon in ZZZ.
One, this game is located somewhere in the 80s-2000s from the Cassette Futurism trope. If so, it does make sense that LCD is a new display on the market and makes it so damn expensive.
But the only problem is... the level of quality of all LCD technologies in New Eridu is 2010s at the very least. It's not just the screen tech, the amount of technology they can compact into their smartphones just doesn't exist in the 80s-2000s. And we're not even talking about the VR displays, which either must be so crappy or way even better than in real life.
My second interpretation is just that ZZZ is set in the futuristic 2040 with a weird timeline where VCR and CRT becomes so good, competitive with LCDs and USB drives, and widely supported by hardcore audience.
The biggest proof is that the siblings just prefer CRT for their movies, but they uses LCDs for their PCs and HDD, if you look at Belle's laptop in her room or Wise's sick gaming setup.
As for the AI, I think it's just common trope in retro-futurism where the people in the past just invented AI before anything else. Even though the implication would be insane if you think about it. It's not just Billy, all the Bangboos are also there. They must be running the most insane NVIDIA 8090s in those tiny bodies 😂😂
@@FeyHunt Yeah, in the end, it does not have any consistency between all these world elements. It reminds me a bit the Fallout serie, where they have AI, inifnite power but still have weird CRT TV 30 or 40 years after our own time. When I look back to our technological development, when you had the first smartphone, first flat screens, first LCD screens, every constructors went mad about it and went full R&D. But in the end, the style of the game is really refreshing, to have this kind of CRT revolution, it's a really cool artistic direction. Anyway, you've won a new sub, so just continue on this, it was really cool to watch :)
@@Haykeau Hell yeah! Thank you! It was nice talking with you!
Yeah, I was comparing a lot to Fallout series as well. The timeline is kinda messed because of the nukes and vaults, but it's a great dieselpunk series. Though, again... I have to wonder how did they make AIs like ED-E in New Vegas and then jumped to energy weapons but skipped making "smart pip-boys" for everyone else.
Again, it's one of those worldbuilding where you just have to accept it and move on. Don't stare at it too much, or it will fall apart. That's the point of this video!
It's a city full of retro buffs.
You know what, this is the most respectable theory so far. They just loved their retro tech.
I'm glad ZZZ is like this. All gacha games are silly to some degree, so having one that embraces that to such an enjoyable degree is something I really love.
Haha, yeah! There's no need to be so serious all the time. They're not even trying, really! Just enjoy the vibe!
This actually applies to most fictional concepts. Take any cool ability or superpower from a work of fiction and try to dissect it and think about how it works on a deeper, more detailed level, and your head will start spinning. Fiction works because we suspend our disbelief and accept that the fantastical elements are held together by the assumption that we won't question it. Sometimes these disparities are more obvious, like the cassette tapes, CRTs, flat screens, and smartphones, but they apply to almost everything, even stuff you've never thought of before. That's why so many abilities in fiction are called "magic": by definition, they cannot be explained by rational, logical, or scientific thought.
Some brain-bending examples for thought:
How does telekinesis work? How does your brain know the parameters of the object you're trying to pick up? What if you can't see the full object? Do you even have to be able to see the object?
What about teleportation? Your body is taking up space. If you teleport somewhere without replacing the space that you leave, you would create a vacuum that air would rush to fill. And air takes up space, too. Teleportation is more likely to actually be switching your body with whatever matter is where you are teleporting to. So if you teleport underwater, shouldn't the space you were at get the water you just replaced? And how does your brain know exactly what place in space you want to teleport to? What if you mess it up? The world is spinning too. If you teleport into space, do you keep the velocity you were spinning around the earth at?
How does flight even work? What exactly is superman doing to make himself fly around? Is it more like exclusively self-targeting telekinesis?
You get the idea lol
@@dangangalaxy9759 Hey there! You are raising two very interesting discussion topic about "suspension of disbelief" and "versimilitude".
Suspension of disbelief varies wildly from genre to genre, and it depends on the settings. In fantasy, we have learned to accept magic very easily when we see people flinging fireballs at each other. We no longer question it.
Part of it is subjective, of course. But when it comes to ZZZ, since its setting is so close to our reality, I find it harder to suspend my disbelief that the technology on this world is so messed up. This kind of breaks immersion.
Imagine if in real life right now, everyone has phones and laptops... But every movie is always stored in VCR tapes. Like WHY? That's ZZZ for you.
At the very least, I have to question the logic behind it. Maybe there's some worldbuilding quirks that is interesting to think about. Similar to how in Dune spitting is a sign of utmost respect because their world is entirely desert.
Of course, not everyone is like me. In this video I was looking at it from the angle of "well, that's interesting". And I come out with the explanation that they just want to have retro tech aesthetic without actually being in the 80s.
Zzz has its own laws
Haha, that takes me back! Way back to Teyvat! 😄😄
Something I wonder about the EXP Cassette, is...
It is an EXP Recording. You hear it, you learn it. You get some EXPerience from the one who recorded it.
Yeah, I figured Phaethon probably asked them to watch action movies so they could copy it. The interesting part is that they want to show it on tape. They do have cloud servers so... why not watch it in their laptops or phones? That's the weird part.
theyre just based
crts are just so much nicer than lcd, ive got two in my room :3
i reallyy wish i had a vga crt thooooughh
@@_keygen Haha, I wouldn't mind CRT if I got those high end ones. My last CRT TV is only like 10 inch wide 😄😄
Very good well balanced observations. I haven’t played a Hoyo game before this but I fell deep into ZZZ SPECIFICALLY for the retro futuristic urban style
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah this game is weirdly addictive, even though the combat is pretty simplistic.
Hoyo is just great at making polished vibes, I'll give them that much.
My theory is that it is a cultural thing. Maybe a lot of analog techs are old civilization tech salvaged from within the Hollows. Since Ethers corrupt digital tech, the smarter it is, the easier it corrupts, then perhaps these analog techs are just some of the easiest and earliest resources to be retrieved and sold without the worry about software issues. Analog tech becomes this symbol of incorruptible so society refuse to leave them behind.
That's what I'm leaning to believe too. There's no other way around it. They just decided to use VCR tapes to watch movies and only movies.
This digital tech gets corrupted more easily theory has been having me scratching my head. Where did you find it in the game?
I just arrived to your video today, and i saw someone explained the reason why we still have old and new gen gadgets.
Most gadgets can be easily corrupted due to them functioning on ETHER . Yes they mine the Ether for their gadgets it is stated in the lore aswell when you see people doing contraband, and ether source is a very EXPENSIVE thing since it can boost gadgets to limitless capabilities but at the cost of being corrupted by corruption.
If you played the story through chapter 2 at least when we have the Belobog industry Ark you will see how literally all the machineries got corroded instantly at the last fight due to high lvls of ether.
The old gadgets functioning on the old ways aka batteries,plug-ins are the safest since they dont rely on Ether to function.
Thats basically the reason behind the old gadgets mostly seen in the civilization.
Hope this clariffied some missunderstandings ^_^.
PS: i am a lore lover and i read all dialogues and every item in a game which to me shows a way to pay respect to the developers of a game.
Enjoying the heck out of the game: IK 52. All content done ^_^
@@cris9485 Yeah, that is what the game tells you, as a lot of people have said here. But I don't believe it, since the game somehow contradicts it in different ways.
Let's think about it together, beyond what the game tells us.
These people somehow ONLY use VCR tapes when watching their movies, when they can easily copy their movies with USB sticks or watch it on their phone and laptop.
Sources: In the interlude chapter where we meet Zhu Yuan and Qingyi, Wise said that PubSec gave away free movies, but it's all tapes. Also in the recent rhythm game event, everyone wants their VCR player fixed. There's never been a single case where people copy movies through anything other than VCR tapes.
Some people also pointed out that retro tech are less likely to be corrupted, which is also contradicted by the game itself where they exclusively using modern tech in Scott Outpost, the place closest to Hollow Zero, a source of Ether radiation.
For reliability sake, shouldn't the military be exclusively using retro tech? If any of their weapons get corrupted, that could cause catastrophic failures, like if a rocket launcher misfire and hit a civilian instead.
@@FeyHunt I wanted to point out the Scott Outpost thing but i said ill let you mention it 1st.
The ScoTT Outpost uses this because they have the anti corruption system in place, which is HELLA expensive. The outdated technology wouldnt be able to measure the Hollows in the OutPost. As you saw they have alot of high end tech there,compared to the city.
@@cris9485 Sure, I get that they have Ether corruption shielding. The military usually has an infinite budget. But there's a reliability concern when you're running any military tech.
There is a good reason why the US military today still uses Windows XP. They want to ensure reliability. They don't want even a 1:1000 chance that their weapons won't fire because of an error in a recent Windows version. This is an IRL example of the military preferring old tech over new tech for reliability reasons.
My point is, that I doubt that the military in New Eridu will prefer modern tech just because of the off-chance that the shielding fails in the middle of combat. Instead, I think they will be more likely to use the shielding and exclusively use retro tech just because they are less likely to get corrupted.
On another note, I haven't been able to find the direct sources in the game explaining this "retro vs modern" tech. Where can I find it in the game?
@@FeyHunt this info can be found in the subquests, it mentions in them about how Ether material is being farmed, even Nicole at some point sells that stuff from the Hollows and you can find in her trust event dialogue when she hides from some loansharks.
And the part about the part of old tech not being corruptable can be found in dialogues of grace events and even in the belobog industry chapter we can see Geroy, the 1st prototype of the heavy industry machines from Belobog being there for so many years, yet that thing never got corrupted, meanwhile the other machines got corrupted in an instant when that unknown ether thing used his corrosion wave.
@@cris9485 Huh, is the entire theory that retro tech can't be corrupted just hinges on that one example? Is there any other proof?
This is from that content creator video about the lore, right?
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@@Necrxlith Haha, thank you! I hope you enjoyed your stay here 😄😄
I feel like the usage of cassette tapes and other old tech is slightly understandable because we still have people to this day that collect and use vinyls.
That's not the point here. Of course, there are still people uses vinyls. In ZZZ it's way more common to find CRT TVs than flatscreen in civilian settings, same with VCRs.
So the real life paralel would be if most people don't like to put music on their phones. They just like to use walkman while jogging and only listen to vinyls at home. Their phones are left only for calls.
except ZZZ does explain the niche that old tech offer over new one
Hollow will corrupt and take control living being or device with any swntient capacity even just a little bit is enough to get corrupted Analog technology are entirely immune to this while human try to develop smart device that can resist corruption in the mean time analog tech is a good investment
It is an interesting theory. If the Ether acts like an ionizing radiation, then yes, analog magnetic tape is less likely to be damaged than SSDs. This is called Single-Event Upset where the bits in the storage can flip, causing data corruption.
The only thing that bothers me is that various devices outside of the Hollow also uses analog. And then, they have modern phones which definitely don't use tapes. Otherwise, it will be bulky as heck.
Then, most of the military stuff uses modern LCDs too, including those in HIA and on Camp Scott. If your theory is correct, then these devices should be more likely to be retro CRTs and Tapes. But they're not.
So either they're not consistent, or that's not it.
@@FeyHunt well there also the accessibilty part since analog device don't get corrupt some of this was retrieve from inside the hollow and re-use
military use robot because they are more useful and they got some hollow resistant o it can work for quite some time before has to be taken out
@@Rat_Fบcker No, what I'm saying is if analog tech is more resistant to Ether corruption, why do all technologies used in Camp Scott are all digital like LCDs?
Shouldn't they be analog CRTs too to avoid Ether corruption from being close to the source at all times?
@@FeyHunt because scott outpost is outside of hollow? also it's military camp they got tax money and like i said analog technology is niche it's good to use it to do something that don't need modern tech but if modern tech is really needed then they have no choice
@@Rat_Fบcker Currently, I'm arguing the point you and the game made about analog technologies are more resistant to Ether. Not about the price.
If the outpost that was closer to the source of the Ether uses digital (which can be disrupted by Ether), then why does civilian uses analog? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
To avoid Ether corruption, the military should be using analog, to minimize risk.
dude do you know that there is a CD that is now getting develop by Sony and Philips can hold 1.4 Petabit? 🤣 I just saw that 11 days ago uploaded by ColdFusion.
but anyway ZzZ is Dangerous. coz if they got on the top of the charts, they may forever change the industry.
Coz right now it looks like ZzZ deliberately Develop and build their world building in such a way they can put a physical store inside their game with any company collaboration they would have in the future.
Imagine KFC in Lumina Square. 🤣🤣 (we all knew Genshin loves collaborating with KFC)
@@ChibiKeruchan Yes, I've heard of that CD. Some modern mass storage server can still be found using tapes. They trade speed for cheaper price and everlasting endurance. But again, those two examples are not consumer grade. Those 1.4 petabit is hella expensive.
What I want in ZZZ is a quest to find the secret KFC recipe from the past civilization. Then you open a shop to restore its former glory 😄😄
0:31 "Its more about the style."
NO WAY! Zenless zone zero is STYLISED !??
You think?
🤣🤣
ZZZ is not set on an age of retro but advanced tech until the Hollows manifested
World entered a technological regression as seen on New Eridu because analog are cheaper more accessible and more resistant to ether corruption ( they now use Ether as resource )
might I add from Billy's teaser " I was made from Lost Technology. Lost technology? that a good one , more like high maintenance costs "
Hmmm... I don't believe that entirely, just because the mint quality these modern device have. Those phones and laptops are more likely to be made recently. I haven't seen any mention of salvaging operation where they go into the ruins of the old world to find phones and laptops.
This analog is more resistance to Ether corruption is kinda flawed just because the military stuff uses modern LCDs too, including those in HIA and on Camp Scott. If your theory is correct, then these devices should be more likely to be retro CRTs and Tapes to avoid data corruption. But they're not.
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I thinkhollow zero is give or take 10 year since MCs said they are from the old capital
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Thanks for the reply
you have points in the HIA using some of the modern but theres the existence of the towers which said to holdback the hollow zero
the one speaking in the lore video said that its an over exaggeration that they have full control but that seems like they hold them back to an extent
anyway VERY GOOD Points, we need more infos and the full story is still up in the air
@@HotaruExtori Nice discussion with you too! I am developing a theory that the government DOESN'T want Hollows to be gone.
They've already built an economy around this anomaly, with Ether powering the cities. They just wanted to maintain the status quo.
"as long it doesn't ruin the fantasy", sadly, for me it is
Oh? Please do explain. Do you find it annoying that the game doesn't stick to its 80s retro aesthetic?
Then here is some explaining:
all CPUs can be corrupted by ether, ether protection is expensive.
For military tech - its fine, but for entertainment ? nah, better use analog TVs which have no CPUs to be corrupted, and what they can display? only analog tapes and discs.
Also, its a lot safer, which is shown in the story - one flash drive and they lost years of work for account, while analog stuff is fully safe.
And finally - they complain about electricity bills, because PCs require extra for ether protection, making analog TVs more cost efficient.
@@Siolioli I find so many problems with your theory.
- What about phones then? Phones do have CPUs in them, even flip phones like Nicole's.
- Nothing is safe. Everything can be corrupted, even non-electronics. That's why Billy stores his movie poster in an Ether-resistant strongbox. Similar to Corin's mirror and Anton's lintroller. These strongboxes are those you find in the C41 Hollow.
- Ether protection comes in many forms, like plating in W-Engines or coating like paints. The electricity bill has nothing to do with it.
I think the VCR and stuff are there cuz hacking is prevalent in this universe I think?? so these older devices has better security than smart devices. But they are still widely used.
That's not how it works. VCR is just a data storage type. It's basically a worse hard disk. The proper analogue in our current time is like saying that hard drive is better than SSD because it's less hackable.
What's hackable is the operating system and data inside of the computer. And despite showing all the retro tech, their computer processor are beyond modern hardware. So if they choose to run on tapes, it will only slow their file transfer down.
Saying that old devices have better security is just... not true.
That also doesn't work with LCDs vs CRT TVs. It's just a display monitor. You can easily use CRT in our modern time if you have the adapter for it, but most people choose not to due to its image quality.
What do the tapes even do in this world and encrypted
According to your sibling when you're hacked, they can move the video of the Cunning Hares into those tapes to play it somewhere else. So it's like their USB memory stick.
Plus it's heavily implied that all of your level up materials are used to make movie clips. The whole story is turned into movies like in the video archive.
As for the encryption... it could mean anything really. Encryption can be done at different levels, even ones that can be easily hackable.
If you play around a bit more, there will be some information about how high and advanced technology is easily corroded by the ether, which I believe is also the reason we really don't see too many new TVs/monitors. in the game because to prevent them from being easily corroded, they will be very expensive
In addition, our era in real life is considered the old era of games, and at the same time it is the era of the 6 void hunters.
I think games like Fallout, although set in the near future, still use a lot of old-fashioned items
I feel like this is just a video to create controversy and it doesn't really prove anything, I mean I skip 80 90% of the dialogue almost every time and can still know this kinda false
@@Some1over I get that there are other content creators out there that thrive on sparking random controversies. I hate them too.
But how is this a video to spark controversy? I defended ZZZ's worldbuilding while using it as a platform to teach common writing techniques. You would see that my content upload is all about this educational angle if you look at my last 10 uploads.
By the way, if I am to spark controversy, then I failed miserably by just gaining 2k views. I am not interested in that kind of video either.
With that out of the way, I don't buy that digital easily corroded by Ether explanation because Outpost Scott exclusively only uses digital tech. Notice the amount of flatscreen LCDs and ipad in there. You would think that the site that is closest to the Ether source would use mostly analog tech to avoid corruption risk, especially with military weapons. But they don't. There's more to it that the game is not telling us.
@@FeyHunt Then I apologize for misunderstanding your intention and thank you for contributing to us in a non-toxic way! And I think I have a bit of evidence for my argument, besides the dialogue in the game, we have a series of 3 items called Plating Agents - they are the things we use to plate Drive Discs in the game. And in the description it is mentioned that Plating Agents are often used to protect technology items from corrosion (or I believe).
From then on, I believe my thesis is quite correct, because to plate high-tech items, a lot of quality plating materials will be needed, so the price will also be higher. We don't know too much about the Wise brothers' past. so I also think that using antiques is their hobby. Old TVs will be quite easy to plate for protection, but a new TV will have more complex components, thereby increasing the quality and price.
I am really surprised and grateful that you took the time to read and express your thoughts to me in such a long paragraph.
have a good day!
p/s English may not be my native language so it may not be very fluent, sorry for that
@@FeyHunt Actually fun fact during my playthrough I also noticed that Belle's phone looked like half a brick (not because it was orange haha) it was quite thick and seemed to be 'protected' quite well
@@FeyHunt In addition, there is a conversation between Qingyi and Zhu Yuan that mentions that Qingyi (she herself is a robot) has been processed to resist/prevent corrosion.
So I think most of the new generation machines or robots have been treated for corrosion, except for technologies that are not yet advanced/have not been invested in too much like construction site machines.
@@Some1over Hey, I also apologize for pushing back too hard. It's just very exhausting to be called out as controversy bait when all I wanted is to open the discussion about things I love.
I'm still rather torn on this theory as well. If this plating protection is so commonplace now, then whether analog or digital tech shouldn't be an issue they should consider if they need to choose.
You HAVE to take the digital ones. No brainer. Mainly because the convenience, like having lighter LCD than CRT monitors.
I'm leaning towards the retro tech is just the siblings hobby, but the people around them (various shops) also seem to follow their retro preference.
I think I still need to see more before I reached my conclusion, since I am in the middle of Chapter 2 now.