The Fear of Death and the City of Man
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- Death comes for everyone. For the Christian, death is the passage into eternal life; but, what about for the Pagan? Alex Denley and Dr. Andrew Jones discuss the problem of death for pagan regimes. Using St. Augustine's "City of God," they discuss Cain's murder of Abel, the founding of the city by violence, the inferior law of violence, and the overturning of death by Christ.
If you want to read ahead, next up is Plato's "Republic."
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Excellent conversation! I would be grateful for a specific discussion of why Andrew uses the word “undermine” to describe the summons for human reason to go beyond. The word, “undermine,” seems primarily negative in origin and connotation. I would like to have a positive understanding of its use here.
Never mind, I just missed it: “Beauty is the undermining of the finite by the infinite, which is what allows the finite, the things that we are building, to go deeper-the space opens up behind it (so) that we can move into that space further. But that space that’s opening up is always exceeding us.”. Very cool - mega-undermining. At minute 17.
High quality conversation guys 🙌🏻 Thanks for publishing this on TH-cam & podcasts-not going to hide it, I listen to New Polity on repeat. Always something new to be gained on the second listen.
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Thank you SO MUCH for addressing the Pagan/City of Man distinction. This theoretical framework is so much more precise, and I appreciate it.
The new book by Angelico Press, "The Truth of Mankind", analysing the Girard corpus, makes a similar argument to the "Reign of Death", and of course Chesterton in Everlasting Man. Dawson refers to this too, and Ursula LeGuin's Omelas... This "founding murder" is such a rich tapestry to pull apart. Romulus and Remus, Set and Osiris, etc. Also, I think that "Seeing like a State," and "Against the Grain" would be interesting to weave in. the Bible Project did a podcast on The City as well. This is getting really good, can't wait for the next one.
My son, Anthony Allen, recommended you gentlemen. He and his wife Hannah, both philosophy majors, are fans of yours. 'Exodus has the same feel to it.' The phenomenolgy of Sacred Writ. My go to e.g., for 'darkness, alienation, and absurdity' would be Sodom & Gomorrah. Suffused with violence. Anyone who can read of such depravity without being horrified has a serious spiritual problem.
Can't wait for the next part
Is there something worth considering in that the current notion of nation (as thought by the french) was stablished by the guillotine? Feels like a similar origin as the pagan nations
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