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We have record gas prices, crime rates and homelessness along with a rise in mental illness while birth rates and health decline. And you don't know if it's real? Trust me. As someone in real life. It's REAL.
what do you think apes?! this sick irrational senile got a revelation from the sky or COVID-19 effect ! this ape is not the first case, they use thievery as patching techniques.
who wrote that is human not apes ! the apes use thievery as patching techniques ! not humans unbelievable ! dirty sick irrational apes, nothing can turn the apes into humans including thievery !
the apes steal then pollute! the only thing the apes can do is stealing from human similar to any other apes, the apes pollute human logic ! the apes' logic and human logic are completely different, the only thing the apes can do is polluting human logic.
Omg. SAME! People look at us like we’re “nuts!” Lol. I hope more and more people start waking up and paying attention and realizing MORE! So much more! There’s a lot of us out there I do believe but it’s hard to decipher who’s who!
@@nickolasgaspar9660 the difference with Christianity is that its not an idea. It's the story of Jesus and the belief that he is the son of God. It is also the foundation of the western civilization so whether you believe it its true or not it clearly had a huge impact.
I almost died when I was 29 . Twice within 3 weeks . I almost bled to death the first time and I wasn’t scared when I accepted that I was going to die . I was calm . The second time I had a pulmonary embolism which most likely was from the prior instance. Again I felt extremely peaceful and I have four kids . But I knew everyone was going to be alright without me . I felt they would hurt for awhile but they would live on until they too accepted their own deaths .. changed my life . I realized how much time I was wasting in the illusion of our reality . I am still in an illusion but my illusion consists of nature . I try to live everyday to the fullest and to experience as much as I can . We are only here for so long .
I also almost died twice. Once from anaphylaxis when in foreign country and ambulance was by boat and time not on my side. I made peace with it quickly, was very peaceful and surprised to wake up alive many hours later. 2d time was ongoing issue that I kept fighting when heart rate/BP repetitively would plummet. Stayed alive and go through that period. 2 very different situations of acceptance when no choice, but fought when possible.
I almost drown in the Kern River. I struggled and struggled for so long and then in one second, I just stopped trying and all fear left my body and mind and total calm came over me and I remember just being amazed that i was going to die. I just accepted it and felt relieved.
Public school may have failed me but it certainly never stopped me from continuing my education on the things I was never taught. I am grateful to have lived during this time.
I say a version of this daily, I wasn’t blessed with the formal education, but being able to hear people who are experts in the field, knowing that I’m intelligent enough to at least follow along and do my own research into the things are speaking of expand my world and forever grateful for it
@mevinkoser8446 I've been playing this on and off from the start while I go to bed the last few mo ths and I've never finished it because I'll fall asleep. Shit gives me tripping dreams
I'm $160,000 in debt for my education because I, unlike the uneducated, have come to appreciate the universal truth that truth does not exist; _"I think, therefore I'm a ghost."_ I am currently entertaining offers of employment at 7 figures and above in exchange for putting my universal knowledge to work in any enterprise whatsoever. I'm also now considering marriage offers from any young menstruating persons whose birthing experience was the consequence of a conjugal union between a well heeled impregnating person and an extremely alluring birthing person.
Don't bother he is plagiarising. Read Kant - Critique of Pure Reason. All he is doing is invoking transcendental idealism and applying that to physics. Sad that today what used to be required reading a century ago is unknown.
@@SI-qp7cm I don't suppose you could please, give me a tack away point that is actually applicable to my life, regarding this stuff with Kant (which you say Hoffman is plagiarising) like how can we utilise this information or perhaps "perspectives", to better go about our day to day lives?
По поводу времени, да! Времени как такового, физически сущностного, в реальности нет. Есть интерфейсное понятие времени. Которое возникает в результате сравнения(квантования-измерения) относительных перемещений материальных объектов в пространстве. То же самое и с реальностью. Реальность, это сложный мультипликативный продукт человеческого сознания, возникающая в результате восприятия окружающей и собственной действительности.😅
I left dozens of comments for you to please get this man on the show. My wishes have come true. Much appreciated, Lex. Looking forward to this one 🙏🏻🙏🏻
We have record gas prices, crime rates and homelessness along with a rise in mental illness while birth rates and health decline. And you don't know if it's real? Trust me. As someone in real life. It's REAL.
what do you think apes?! this sick irrational senile got a revelation from the sky or COVID-19 effect ! this ape is not the first case, they use thievery as patching techniques.
@@tuutuutuuttuutuutuut2244 im not aware of what flatland is honestly. but from my own observations in life (im 42 years old now) and being a huge gamer as well, the way i interpret what he means is like imagine AI in a game becoming sentient and trying to get out from inside the game world (2 d space) into our world. imagine a game character trying to jump out of the screen and into our world. it makes no sense because of all thats involved to create the 2d world, characters, rules in the game etc. and what hes saying is that there is stuff that we will never be able to see or understand, similar to an AI character not being able to see the 1's and 0's of code needed to create it and the space its in. hope im explaining it clearly, its as simple as i can try to put it + im not a physicist either
But character trying buliding own knowledge to understand the box sometimes it work sometimes not questions is not about know box what if understand it then stuck your own box then fell alone with your own box you I want connect your box with other then new mix fromed and another layers confusion build that make difficult to understand by other who want know box it goes on unit completely destroy box my thoughts real question is what we doing after we know everything maybe make box more colourful more attractive maybe achieve Direct connection between what you know about or what you try to know . Reality nothing and nothing is is reality
@@ObeyaCorpsArmory I understand what you’re saying. He’s contradicting himself. He says truth is intrinsically hidden from us and then says he is trying to discover new possibilities of truth to replace the model of space time. 🤦♂️
Bro there is nowhere to go. We are tied to our bodies in this dimension. Best we can do is take care of it, embody it as much as we can to have a smooth ride... That's why most mystical practices are actually shifting the focus back to some feeling/body/breath. Same as psychotherapy. When you understand that they are intertwined to form this fundamental "user interface", you can transcend it. You're still here, but it doesn't matter as much. Whether your indulge in desire or not doesn't really matter anymore. It's just a product of the user interface. But you have to go through ascetism and "wanting to escape the matrix" first to get it, to EXPERIENCE it.
Bob Monroe with his "Hemi-Sync" in the 70's talk about the exact same thing, that reality in fact is an illusion, that there is something else. We are much more that we think we are.
@@tj2636 Yes, it is an illusion. Other teachings from other cultures talk about this centuries ago, now science it's caching up. Get out of your body and see with your own eyes, you don't need to believe in anything people tell you. There are tons of books about astral projection, you can try the "gateway experience" tapes, from Monroe Institute or whatever, get on it.
A fractal of God ! Like a wave is to the ocean ? Like a grain of sand is to the beach ? Like a molecule of H2O is to the Great Lakes ? Like one drop of water is to a sunami ? Like a snow flake is to The Arctic ice sheet ? Hmm, that makes me God. The good news - you are too, the only - I AM ! You are saying we are much more then we think we are ? More than God ? How so ?
Indian scholars have been debating these philosophies for over 1400 years. What Hoffman describes as one consciousness is what Advaita Vedanta calls Brahman or Atman literally translated as soul. It’s not just limited to living beings. Aham Brahmasmi translates to I am the universe (all atoms, stars, galaxies, rocks, all of us people are really just an illusion, a projection of one “true” consciousness). We are all one.
If you really want to understand or perceive to understand it , you must give up on all the bullshit that has been fed to you since your childhood, it is the denial that keeps bringing you back this hindu mythology . Aham brahmasmi translates to a lot of things , a clear translation from sankrit says 'I am brahman ' Please do not try to connect mythology and religion to science it just doesn't make sense, I know it gives some sort of validation to your beliefs.
Я один раз испытала это на себе.. Проходила с психотерапевтом холотропное дыхание и при очередном сеансе транса я почувствовала, что я всё и сразу: и вода и песок, звезда и пустота и животные и т.д., я, конечно уже забыла это ощущение, но помню, что осознание, что я часть всего одновременно это такая эйфория, что мне теперь всю оставшуюся жизнь хочется снова это испытать, но холотропное воззвание я больше не могу практиковать, так как ужасно начинает болеть голова во время дыхания
I started struggling with perceived reality versus evolution as a kid. I would look at a meadow of flowers or the last rays of the sun streaming through a break in the clouds creating a salmon glow and wonder why I felt that these were beautiful. I could understand that looking at a table full of food would trigger feelings of anticipation, excitement, enjoyment and satisfaction, because the food is connected to survival. It still seemed a stretch, or a leap, to get to "beauty." But we don't eat a meadow, and we certainly don't eat a sunset. My dad was a scientist in biology who was considered to be at the very top of his field of research, so one of the two most significant people in my early life was firmly attached to evolution, theorems, statistics and probabilities. He explained the world to me from his absolute perspective. But he could never explain to me how a universal sense of beauty evolved. Where did this come from? What prompted the need for it to arise to evolve within our species?
@@scottkoenig1260 Of course, but it seems a stretch, if not a leap, from seeing a beautiful sunset to feeling like you're going to survive a little longer. When I look at my pantry stocked up for the winter, it is a very different feeling of satisfaction and survival from the feeling of inner tranquility from looking at something "beautiful." But that's just me. . .?
I love Lex Fridman because he allows his guests to talk. He doesn't suck up the time with host bull and talking about himself and over complementing the guests, like all the other interviewer shows. Lex gets to the point and lets the guest get to the point. I wish more hosts would be like Lex. He keeps things simple and on point.
And he doesn't let the speaker get away with hand waving. He makes them be clear about things, especially when such things seem hard to accept, e.g., how our sense of individual selves must be constituents in a larger universal consciousness. He doesn't hide that this is hard to follow, but he professionally acknowledges it.
I love his quote"brains are something that consciousness makes up". It reminds me of one of Lex's other guest, maybe Vitalik, that when he was asked "what is money", he said"it's a game". That blew my mind since it made me realize our whole civilization is based on this game we created to see how many people would choose to join different games. You can learn as much from the people who drop out of the game (off-grid or homeless etc) as you can by people still playing the game
@@NwoDispatcher Really? There are thousands, maybe millions of accounts, of people being clinically dead (no measurable brain activity whatsoever) who still continue to have thoughts. Read any of the myriad tails from NDE's or the fact that nurses have witnessed this for ages. How can the brain be the genesis of though if you can still think once you're dead?! Welcome to the matrix coppertop.
For me reading Nietzsche was a relief. For some people it's an anxious moment to realize that life is just a preparation to death and, even there, isn't much. The experience to be happy with what we've done or will do experience is the thing... I mean just realizing that we don't matter, there's no attachment, just a big release, just the moment. For sure, being highly handicapped with chronic pain help to let it go until there's not much no more than myself trying to deal with it peacefully. That's my only life goal dealing with it with happiness and being into life's contemplation. Life is so beautiful in itself and we don'T dare to look at it. Nature ! So much precious to me to watch it. Learning ! Same. Endless moments of happiness. Sometime even just to examine pain and live it is joy.
Yooooooo I was looking to see if anyone brought up Nietzsche. When he began talking about seeing the truth and that it’s hidden from us. “Suppose truth is a woman…” Nietzsche challenges Kant’s notion of a “thing in of itself” which I feel is exactly what Hoffman is describing. That we can never see the truth bc it’s hidden. What we see is any illusion of reality. Nietzsche handled this well by saying “how can anything arise out of its opposite” truth from untruth reality from illusion. If the truth is hidden from us then the truth can not be the thing hidden behind what we see as reality. For that to be the case then the truth is to be found through our illusions? You can’t find truth this way. In fact it’s not truth you’re looking for. You’re serving your own desires by searching for what you call truth. The thing in of itself exist as truth as much as the table we see. Nietzsche claims one can’t exist without the other and truth must stand on its own. The table and the dna and the atoms and the chemistry are all truths it’s all reality.
@@valentinachijikova8037 you know... I speak French but not here because no one would understand me here so I type in English. Like I understand no sh!t of Russian language.
@@valentinachijikova8037K finally translated it. Sry for your loss. I'll never understand your situation but I'm sure it's one of the worst experience possible. You should try to focus on things that make you grow. I'm pretty sure this is something that will hunt you every time in your life. Try to focus on the happy time and experience you had with him and what he would want you to be or become. It's a tragic time where you need to make some perspective. For a long time you'll be focussed on it but it will make you stronger and have a true understanding of other people's feelings about the tragedy of life itself.
Yeah, it's a very real threat. Psychosis or soul fracturing with the absorption of so much knowledge. This is the biological limitations of our flesh..... 😈 but not the AIs....
My brain was already brocken...now I feel like I just tweaked out on it for a week and lost half the pieces in the other 6 projects channels this video got it working on...what an f'n mess... I'm going to sleep!
Lex: You outdid yourself with this one! You are a brilliant interviewer and the way you are getting out the ideas of such leading edge thinkers as Donald Hoffman (one of my very favorite people on the planet) deserves an immense amount of gratitude. Thank you for such high level conversations! You are every bit as special a human being as Donald is. I really appreciate you!
When there is a title saying Evolution hid the truth, that is the first lie. Hoffman is NOT a leading edge thinker. He is lying to you. Any physicist knows that evolution is not true. Energy is constantly bursting forth, spinning, vibrating, pulsating, rotating, beaming, growing, seeing, jumping, etc.
The human User Manual is very user friendly. Could it be the most studied material ever on the planet just so happens to be the link some need to appreciating the "brains behind our brains"? Enter the "Shroud of Jesus". paste this title into TH-cam for reverse engineering a resurrection skewed carbon dating / enough to convince any objective jury in any Courtroom in the land beyond a "reasonable doubt". Research and decide for yourself! TH-cam title here: Hypothesis to Explain the Main Mysteries of the Shroud of Turin
This is the first time I've gotten high in 4.5 years. I called my sponsor to let him know I needed to reset my days. He asked if it was alcohol or weed. I told him it was neither...
I meet with a group of friends once a week to discuss consciousness and I’m high for days after… it’s very trippy, I feel like I’ll never have to do psychedelics.
A lot to take in but these 2 are great at breaking it down for the layman. Hey J, 06/25/22 marks 4 1/2 yrs w/out a drink for myself as well. Love it. Love hearing other success stories! Congratulations.
I love the fact that he brought up the concept of MAYA. Being a Hindu and a Nuclear Engineer, I see how deep the implications are and I am so glad someone finally talked about it.
"Questionning the fabric of reality will lead you to madness or the truth and the funny thing is you wont know which is which" Oh Lex, its going to be a great 3hrs spent. I can tell already!! Thank you for being this amazing human being that I so strongly relate to!! PS and thank you for redirecting the conversation when it is too scientific to follow. You do a great job!!
As we call upon the name of the LORD/GOD - we already believe that HE is and TRUST IN HIM. A sinner don`t call upon the name of the LORD - their too PRIDEFUL - they block out GOD`S QUIET VOICE IN THEM and GOD BLOCKS OUT THEIR PRAYERS. - That`s the reason SINNERS WONT BE HEARD. None of us can`t do GOD`S WILL if we do not let ourselves listen the QUIET VOICE OF GOD. All who do call - in them have change already taken place. A heart and mind that wants to REPENT. - that`s why we get saved when we call upon the name of the LORD. And now if our wish to REPENT was real - then WE DO GO AND SIN NO MORE. Are we all able to reach the point of no longer sin at all? - YES WE ARE - or CHRIST life on earth becomes worthless and pointless. th-cam.com/users/TorchofChristMinistriesvideos th-cam.com/users/AmbassadorsofChristvideos th-cam.com/users/Truthuneditedvideos
Bukowski put it best, "Some people never go crazy, what truly horrible lives they must live". Let them talk, that's their perception, you herald in the new leaks. Put them onto ImmaterialAI while at that, they'll be able to prove themselves stress, depression, drug addictions etc are just ideas
@@claudiubele4892 Let me share with you all another proof that proofs EARTH IS FLAT AND THE SUN IS CLOSE: SOLAR PANELS - these won`t work if that version of our earth is the way nasa tells us. a little thinking and putting the dots together and a REAL AND LOGICAL ANSWER IS ADDED AMONG OTHERS. - that`s how easy it is to research. Wait. I do think that I can share even another proof: The science channels: as we all take ourselves as highly educated then we should be able to notice a lot - right? - therefore if you all have notice the same I have, then you TRULY KNOW AND SEE THAT THEY, (NASA) NEVER HAVE SEND A THING OUT OF THE EARTH. - THEY PLACE THESE ALL AROUND ON THIS EARTH. Yes, they do a show for us and send them up in the sky for a moment, but all of these come back down soon as their “fake show for us is over” - here is wise to ask: WHAT GOES ON BEHIND THE CURTAINS? Therefore the question I ask from you all: DID YOU MANGE TO NOTICE THE FAKESNES OF IT ALL? The question form bible to us: TO WE HAVE EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO EAR? and my question: DID YOU ALL NOTICE? - both are the same question just asked a little different: Therefore to have EYES THAT TRULY SEE = TO NOTICE ALL THERE IS TO NOTICE. Music concerts = harvesting human energy. Again, young souls, do researching about FREEMSONRY. Why do you all want to be ignorant and live in NOT KNOWING STUFF. How can you all be safe an fine - if the real harm is unknown to you? Start making a list of HARD QUESTIONS AND THEN GO AND SEEK OUT ALL THE ANSWERS.
51:20 I think he’s right that we’ll never know the true answer to consciousness and reality. Because we create what we perceive, the answers that we discover will always lead to an infinite fractal nature. Simply put, it is turtles all the way down.
As a child I wondered if we all saw a color the same, I.e., “Red”, or if we saw the color uniquely but all associated the seeing with the word “Red”; therefore, we’re still able to communicate effectively.
I do think there is objective reality. But yes, people can have different view points but agree that they are looking at the same object. However, we can measure the wave length of light. And there is evidence that the same neural patterns are triggered in our brains.
Yes. There is. We can mathematically define red. When it gets project into a brain, it could be slightly different. But it doesn’t matter because everyone still understands what red generally means
@@MizJaniceResinArtWe don't. As others have commented we can measure the wavelength and agree that we're seeing the same thing but, if, in my mind, what you see as red i see as blue and vice versa, there's no way you could possibly know. This is where the difference between the external as it is and our internal perception of that becomes quite stark.
I dunno who Zach is, looks like he runs some sort of online publication. But If youre into Gematria, id recommend looking into the Erisian Law of Fives. 😉
@@user-nf9xm7is3m if you think youre speaking truths in a mad world, you might actually be the mad one. You can tell someones mad when they start yelling "IM NOT MAD! YOURE MAD! YOURE ALLLLL MAD! I JUST KNOW THE TRUTH!"
I found this hard to follow but here are my takeaways: 1. Spacetime is not fundamental. 2. When we accept that spacetime is not fundamental, it becomes much easier to explain our mind, thoughts and feelings. 3. We have evolved to perceive our environment not necessarily in a realistic way, but rather in a way that helps us survive.
For some reason this all sounded so familiar and then I remembered Plato's metaphor about the people in the cave staring at their own shadow instead of reality outside the cave.
I can usually get my head round these alternate ways of seeing the world and who we are, what it is that makes us, us. But I did start to get a bit lost with this one, not the idea, but because I got repeatedly left behind as I didn't fully understand the meaning, or at least his exact meaning which far differed from the meaning I attribute to them, of the words he used. Eye opening , but the day after listening having my morning coffee listening to the birds chattering in the woods, I fail to see how anything he said makes the slightest bit of difference to my life or those I care for, I am just glad it rained last night as the garden needed it.
I listened twice to this podcast and while it is an interesting way to thought experiment and challenge orthodoxy I feel like he was pretty repetitive with the same point using many and varied analogies. He's definitely interesting and seems by all accounts to be an awesome guy. The only value I derive is using it as a challenge to conventional wisdom and to see where that takes the conversation. Or ya know maybe the real watered gardens are the friends we make along the way. Boom consciousness inception achieved Donald Hoffman!
Same here. I am not as enamored by this guy like 99% of the comment section It’s like he’s making it up because he doesn’t prove anything at all. Plus unlike the scientific method, he is determined to make it true no matter what. He keeps mentioning, “my team” will prove this, even if they are not yet working on it. How can he say that? Plus, he constantly says “there is a paper out there on it”, like a paper is empirical proof. He has a lot of arrogance about a theory which currently is wildly difficult to ever prove
@@rogerwelsh2335 I feel like there's more of a likelihood of proving one of the multiverse theories than his interface theory. It's basically a simulation type argument when you strip it down.
I think he’s relying on consciousness giving rise to amplituhedrons. How that happens, or what would even mean, is extremely vague. He seems a little out of his depth, given he is not a physicist.
While I can claim to understand the base conceptual meaning of what they are talking about I would never claim to know any of it! This will definitely be getting multiple relistens as it is fascinating! I am so glad to have the opportunity to be such a small fish in a big pond listening people that much more intelligent and informed than me!
Yeah, my brain kept cramping up too. Lex was trying to simplify things or try to make it relatable to something so we could understand better. I don't think it worked lol
I retract my praise for this podcast, Lex is a good guy nonetheless. if " reality is an illusion " is true then that statement is also an illusion which is self defeating. The foundations of knowledge and logic are not possibly in a "illusion" world. This is Descartes Demon look up all the debunkings of that argument. If reality is an illusion therefore logic does not matter and words do not have significance so good luck debating that. Donald Hoffman is a case of somebody who is too smart for their own good. You can learn yourself into deception if you try hard enough.
Well said! I imagine this type of conversation was had by Plato and Socrates back in the day only they were the only ones to hear it. That we can hear this is a gift and a prize in itself.
Yes. Open access to info like this is critical to advancing society and elevating the average intelligence of all. Beautiful work as always from Lex :)
I am just a humble engineer with approximately 14 yeas of experience in different areas of mechanical engineering and project management… I follow the scientific institute’s discoveries and theories and find them truly inspiring and interesting… I have almost NO IDEA what this debate was about… it’s both fantastic and horrifying to know that the human intellect stretches soooo far beyond your own. Please keep these great podcasts coming and use your beautiful brains to help us intellectually abandoned organisms better understand the question for which the answer is 42.
This "reality" could be just an artifact coming from another "reality". Our reality could be nothing more than the exhaust from the tailpipe of an even grander reality.
Again ,more double speak I don't get. I must be the owner of the stray braincell that was dropped on the floor of creation when the quantum universe birthed me.
It’s always been my belief that when we take psychedelics, we are opening ourselves up to be able to perceive reality more closely to the way it actually operates. We “see things moving” because in truth, they are moving. Everything is vibration, and if you take enough acid or mushrooms, you can literally see that.
You can also see it as what the limits and capabilities of our interfaces are. Kinda like plugging in an usb drive and executing the software on it to see what happens.
The problem is that this is how your brain see reality. His point is that this is how evolution has evolved you to se it to survive. But what you see is not reality « as is it as». The same way that a dog see reality for it to survive. The danger of taking drugs is that you get draged into your own ego/narcissism. And start to belive that your ego is « reality». When the « real reality» is out of your reach. My point is drugs can tell us alot about the brain and how the brain understands reality. But it say nothing about the real world in it self. The world is as you say « constantly changeing», but so do the mind/brain. And the drug can make you forget that the mind is changeing in the exact same way the « reality it’s trying to decode» is. Reality and the brain, is not separat. Reality is just « atoms changeing». And the brain is just these same atoms beeing « aware» of the change. There is nothing more to it. Objectiv reality is the « change». But the mind and the ego can’t comprehend that it’s not separat from this change. And that death is the end of the « speculating mind». You can see the change « as it is», but you can never see «why» it changes. His point is that this « why», is out of our reach. Our brain would simply adapt again ( it’s a survival machine». It’s whole function is to survive,replicate,die and create new brains that are more « adaptiv/fit» The brain is « the map» and «reality simultanius at the same time. The drug can make you aware of this. Or it can panic ( malfunction), and turn to narcissism ( belive that it alone is reality). The reason for this is that your mind/my mind/all minds are like a grain of sand on a beach. Each one of them exist on it’s own as a singel grain. And they are a part of the beach at the same time. The scientists point is that your « function» is to be a grain, and that your entite understanding of « reality» is from this point of view. To get another point of view would be definition mean to change ( evolution/revolution)from beeing a grain, to something else. But even this would not change the only one 100% sure fact about reality. That is is atoms that constantly change. You can observe it, but that’s it. You can’t controll it ( you are not God), only thing you can do is to change and adapt ( both physicaly and mentaly). His point is that we are only adapting to reality. And reality is never going to adapt to us. Simply because we can never understand it. But what we get more and more understanding about is our own mind. And how it enterpreets reality ( this is how we have made 3d films, games, holograms and so on). But they are all just imitations of how we percive reality. But it’s never even close to understand the « real reality». We are not God’s and never will be. Life and reality is constantly changeing. This is the only 100% truth there is. The drugs can give insight in this « zen» point of view. In the same way meditation can. But it’s important to understand that your mind has limits, and the same time has no limits ( in the same way the grain of sand is separat from the beach, and is the beach ). Your mind is separat of reality, and is 100% of reality at the same time ( this is the consept of non duality)
Haha, yeah agree - I think we block it out. If we didn't we would be too distracted. The only movement we need to see is the predator moving in the bush or our prey. The fact that many other inanimate objects might be moving, vibrating or trading or talking is blocked out if it has no bearing on our ability to survive. If anything it reduces our chances - It distracts us from the predator in the bush.
I'm so happy Lex finally interviewed Don Hoffman. Hopefully, up next, will be Bernardo Kastrup. And, hopefully, this will garner the same number of views as some of Lex's most popular podcasts (currently, under 70,000) as, I believe, Hoffman's theory deserves the widest audience.
do you love a sick thief ? it is stolen from comments on closer to truth youtube channel were written three years ago. do you think that this sick irrational senile got it suddenly from the sky and he waked up from his long sleep that continued his entire life ! this sick irrational thief is not the first case. the apes use thievery as patching techniques (that is the only thing the apes are good at, similar to any other apes "no minds, so the only thing the apes can do is stealing human thoughts and polluting it with their defective irrational logic") I have warned the apes from the beginning: I write for future generations not for the apes, but the apes found a treasure, who steal then run away the first ! apes, who can blame apes !
30 mins in and my” brain” and “soul” are so happy. This is making me realize that I need to spend more time connecting with people who love contemplating and discussing this stuff! Also, really appreciated the dry humor (made me crave chocolate!) and the discussion of psychedelics and spirituality.
He took a really convoluted path to get to the same conclusion as Plato 2000 years ago. Scientists should take philosophy during their first year in college. It would save us loads of money. And wars.
Scientists generally don’t have much say in starting wars politicians generally aren’t scientists and even if they are trained in the sciences they don’t use the scientific method when moving towards war. In a representative democracy war is almost always a response to an attack of some sort (or the perception of an attack) or required by treaty, to keep standing or whatever with another country whose politicians feel their country has been attacked.
I tried this at the gym today; during my sprint class my legs were about to give up and I was in so much pain and my feet hurt. I told myself the matrix is making me believe I have pain and it hurts, but I don’t have legs therefore pain does not exist! I actually can fly in this bike! My pain was gone! And my legs became part of the bike. It was an amazing experience! 😊
@@therealwildfolkThat's exactly what he's talking about. We ARE this one consciousness beyond spacetime and are for some reason creating this reality to experience itself through all things in existence. But don't take my word for it. Achieve true ego death and you'll remember yourself.
Donald Hoffman was an excellent professor. I feel very privileged to have had him. He is generous with his time, gracious, and extremely engaging. His book is a worthwhile read. If you're on a spiritual path, having scientific proof of old teachings can be beneficial to a doubting mind. Reality is an illusion indeed.
You do realize that the phrase or the sentiment that reality is an illusion has become a rather dull buzz phrase that Dr. Deepak Chopra has been promoting for over two decades. But all that Donald Hoffman is really offering in the end is mind candy. He does but conjecture i.e. it's all phenomenology without saying anything with ontological certainty. It really is kind of comical that people think all of this is somehow profound. This kind of conjecture and theorizing has been a rather crowded marketplace of late. It's not spirituality which is a word that has been so overused for a long time now. P.s. reality is an illusion is an oxymoron i.e. if it's an illusion it's not reality by the very ontological status of capital r Reality, it's not an illusion. It's just a stupid thing to say. It gives the illusion of profundity. Now how's that for an illusion? All of these kinds of discussions are a snake swallowing its own tail.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 dear brother, you are taking this illusionary movie and experience a little too seriously. We all experience this material universe with non material bodies through consciousness, which is not material. The non material is not subject to the limitations of this lower orbit that we call time space and matter. That is why we can only take from it what we experience and not what we can put in our pockets. The Egyptian Pharaohs tried that and we see what happened to them. They were robbed by grave diggers. But the grave diggers can never steal their true treasures which were all the experiences and emotions and feelings and memories they took with them via their conscious connection, back to the infinite, which is not subject to time or the laws of the universe, where matter disintegrates or rusts or falls apart. Just as your consciousness never will either. Stop worrying that the soldiers in Saving Private Ryan died - it was just a movie - they were just actors - it wasn’t real but it was made to seem “real” to give you the experience and feelings and emotions and memories. In the higher dimensions above space time and matter, time does not exist. So this illusion you are experiencing only lasts a few moments, like in comparison, the length of a movie in comparison to your whole life. It is just a short quick lesson for us all to enjoy and glean experiences from and after the movie is over, I hear that we are graduating from this cosmic school and 2nd grade class to the next level - third grade. So try to enjoy the experience. We still have a looooooooooong way to go. 🖖
@@nickolasgaspar9660 when you saw the movie, Saving Private Ryan, did you lament the death of the soldiers that died in the attempt to save Private Ryan? Just as Private Ryan did years later with his family when he visited the grave of the man who died for him and told him to make something good of his life. I know my consciousness felt and experienced an important life lesson from all of it but I also know in the back of my mind that these people are just actors who are talented and paid well for the experiences they give to us through the “magic” of movies. And even though in our heart of hearts we know that it was just a movie and not “real”, we still felt and experienced something we keep inside of us from watching that movie. But your reasoning is equivalent to proving that the movie isn’t real by getting up from your seat in the theater and going outside to prove it. Heck, we all knew when we were sitting inside watching the movie that it wasn’t real but we still stayed inside for the experience and joy and tragedy and memories and feelings it would bring to us, the real us, our conscious us, the part that can’t be found by science or doctors or anybody and nor can it be explained or even defined. And yet it is this part of us that we use to experience the universe and learn cherished lessons and feelings like love and joy and also pain, and all the emotions and feelings of life. And all these cherished memories and feelings are also the things that science can’t find or squeeze into a mathematical equation. And you have to reason with yourself that maybe, just maybe, the real reason that science can’t find these cherished feelings and memories nor the consciousness which we use to get and experience these cherished but unfindable things is because they are not of the physical and not subject to time space and matter as the universe is and these human bodies are as well. The non material conscious can only experience the material but not hold onto it. Can your doctors find inside your body the love that you feel and experience from life and your family and the joy and proud feelings you get from looking at your children’s artwork that they brought home and you put on your refrigerator? I’m certain there is a Nobel Prize awaiting the doctor or person who can do that !! But they will have no more luck doing that then the Egyptian Pharaohs did when they left the theater and realized all their precious material possessions were nowhere to be found. But I’m sure they still have the memories and enjoyment of the life they consciously experienced in hoarding all those material treasures. But I don’t think they need professional help for doing it all. And I don’t think Galileo was rightfully put under house arrest either for having consciousness figured out and also pointed out that the earth was orbiting the sun and not vice versa. But at that time, he was the only person on earth who knew the truth and everybody else knew and also firmly believed that the entire universe revolved around the earth. Are you seeing any parallels here? Should I seek help for feeling and cherishing love inside of me, even though no doctor or scientists or physicists can find it inside me? We, the non material, are inside of and experiencing and enjoying the very material earth and universe and we know we can’t take the material with us or else we would see U-Haul trucks following every hearse. But that doesn’t stop us from enjoying the illusion of the experience. And I for one will always cherish all of the memories and joys of putting my children’s artwork on my refrigerator when they were young and going to school, and what they also now do with their own children. Oh that gold and treasures of the Pharaohs was certainly real alright as we can see them in museums and experience them with our consciousness. And the death of those soldiers saving Private Ryan felt real as well as the acting and sets was marvelous. Just as this set (the universe) is. So does that feeling and memory still make you feel I need to be put under house arrest or has this discussion helped you to reconsider that perhaps the great Galileo was correct? What do you want to take with you after your material and biological computer system cease to function, the material gold and treasures of the Pharaohs or a lifetime of non material joys and experiences that your life and conscious experience has afforded to you here in this very exciting and very real universe? But keep in mind the last six dying words of Steve Jobs which were, “oh wow,…Oh Wow,… OH WOW!!!” I for one feel quite happy in my heart and soul living in a huge house with all the creature comforts as well as using them to host my children and my grandchildren on holidays and on vacations. Here are some other last dying words that I consciously enjoy and cherish -. “…,Father, forgive them, .., for they know not what they do,…”. And yes, I’m definitely taking that cherished memory with me also.
“Proceed with caution, questioning the fabric of reality can lead you to madness or the truth, and the problem is, you won’t know which is which” - Lex Friedman 🔥🔥🔥👌🏾💎
@@TheOne-yq6qk i can agree with you on a basic level sir it can be seen as a respectable thing to say in the eyes of your ego but on a deeper level saying that will make most people want to listen more and also increase their odds of going mad by projecting fear into them. Seems to me like you may just think that sounds like a cool thing to say.
This is an outstanding interview. The last 15 minutes were especially beautiful. Lex, I continue to be impressed with the pertinence of your questions and the extent to which you create an atmosphere of calm trust. These elements combined bring out some incredible answers and moments of dialogue.
It seems true for most cases but then there are the monks that can literally set themselves on fire and meditate until their death... Some people really seems to be in control for their mind and body beyond pain
The sensation of being punched...or for that matter being born, living and dying, are all projections. We care about them, they affect us, we are those perturbations in some sense...but they are not the whole story.
I found this interview the most technical of any I have seen of Hoffman. I also think that more recent breakthroughs in the Math (or “Maths” if you are an Ausie like me) means he can go deeper with more conviction in interviews. I like how clear he is in stating what is mathematically proven and what is speculation. It frustrates me when scientists refuse or reluctantly speculate what they expect to find going forward in their research (effectively hypothesis formation). As he expects to always be wrong on some level even with mathematical proofs backing him he has developed no great fear of being wrong which is so refreshing. He really has his ego in check (obviously not gone but calmed). I’m so glad he survived his brush with death so he could continue his work and connecting with the rest of us through people like Lex. I was a little surprised how much Lex struggled to look past physicalist reductionism. It seemed to make him quite anxious. To me I find the idea of consciousness as more fundamental than spacetime reassuring and makes our human process of death much less scary. We don’t just disappear. Our consciousness expands back into the one field of consciousness no longer restricted by the portal (our body “headset”) we are attached to in this life. We get to reconnect with all the consciousnesses we interacted with in life. No love is lost. It appears that the many thousands of recorded near death experiences, on the whole, square with Hoffman’s theory. Consciousness persisting outside the body, no time, us all ultimately being one/connected. What should make Lex happy is that 90% of near death experiencers report an overwhelming sense of love when connecting with the fundamental consciousness field, what ever they chose to call it. Often it’s referred to as “the source” as sometimes people think the idea of god is too limited and tainted with limited preconceptions. But mostly people perceive the experience with the kind of qualities that are familiar and comforting to them but the timelessness, overwhelming love and oneness are pretty much universal. I suspect for those who have a negative NDE, that they are so tightly wedded to physicalist reductionism or so overwhelmed by negative emotions like guilt and shame that they separate themselves from the oneness of consciousness and therefore don’t get to feel the overwhelming love. Of course this is all speculation on my part based on intuition, personal experience and observing the reports of others some of which may well be attention seeking fantasy but having watched so many recounts from a vast array of personality types I feel a strong confidence that most are genuine in their account. Coupled with Hoffman’s mathematically backed theories I am very confident that consciousness continues after death and it is an experience of all encompassing love.
Excellent take (and a long one too!). Who would have thought that a mind boggling theory which, when immersed into shatters intuition and experiences, leads to a highly satisfying end? So, cheers to that.
@@juneack5848 I think there is some truth to what you say. I’m thinking more of all consuming emotion that doesn’t allow you to see the love and support that is available. If you step back and observe the emotion as the “I” that is the observer and see it objectively it would not be all consuming. From the accounts I heard they talked about things like letting go and accepting/asking for help/letting go of the trauma and fear/gaining acceptance and then the nightmarish experience transformed into the loving experience. It seems like there’s a degree of creating our own experience, some see trees flowers and butterflies, some see stars and nebula some just see shining beings, some meet family or what they view as spirit guides, God, the source, Jesus, or other figure heads of their religions. Many talk about life reviews experienced from both their own and other peoples’ perspectives as well as being shown vast amounts of knowledge or feeling like they have access to all knowledge but all positive experiencers talk about timelessness, oneness and intense love. I always know people can make things up but I give the benefit of the doubt and consider it as if it was real and part of a broader collection of reports as I think the phenomenon is too extensive for there to be no true signal there.
Я, будучи еще ребенком, лет 8-10, постоянно задавался вопросом, откуда мы знаем, что мы все видим одно и тоже? Откуда это изображение берется у меня, ведь я получаю это из мозга, после глаз, теперь понимаю, что не зря я об этом думал. И, к сожалению, понимаю, что будучи еще ребенком, я задавался такими сложными вопросами. А сейчас, только и делаешь что работа, дом, дела, а думать о великом, о смысле, что ка пи почему, времени совсем мало у людей.
Коты видят и чувствуют по другому. Они и выживают по другому😅. Ты же не кот. И не кит! Кит тоже всё видит и чувствует по другому! Главное, чтобы адекватно! А иначе, капец!😅 И коту и киту и тебе!😅
I’m excited to see Donald Hoffmann as a guest. I have followed him for awhile and I can’t wait to watch this interview. Now, if he could get Bernardo Kastrup for a sit down.
do you love a sick thief ? it is stolen from comments on closer to truth youtube channel were written three years ago. do you think that this sick irrational senile got it suddenly from the sky and he waked up from his long sleep that continued his entire life ! this sick irrational thief is not the first case. the apes use thievery as patching techniques (that is the only thing the apes are good at, similar to any other apes "no minds, so the only thing the apes can do is stealing human thoughts and polluting it with their defective irrational logic") I have warned the apes from the beginning: I write for future generations not for the apes, but the apes found a treasure, who steal then run away the first ! apes, who can blame apes !
I have never understood people who talk about their "anxiety", it's even more strange when they frame it as some sort of diagnosis. Anxiety is a part of life.
@@ronaldrenegade8519 I too was tempted to forego this modern metaphysical intellectualization, considering I also had the same conversations decades ago when in my twenties as well. but just for grins and giggles decided to hear it through and was pleasantly surprised by the depth and breadth. For what it's worth, from a Fellow Renegade, this conversation merits a listen in its entirety.
And if there is a one in trillion (or whatever) chance of our perception matching our reality and there are trillions upon trillions of planets in the vast universe, why can’t we be the one in trillionth? The one in trillionth wouldn’t know it is the one in trillionth. And the other trillion planets wouldn’t know we exist.
The big missing element to the probability of evolving to perceive something approaching reality is that it isn't merely a question of what adaptation favors survival, but also what adaptation is easiest achieved by the process of mutation and natural selection. Even if the vast majority of cases simply favor fitness, the actual physical process of evolving sensors could favor sensors that perceive truth, irrespective of fitness.
After Lex's opening statement, I immediately thought of the Joswph Campbell quote "The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight."
This was so empty and devoid of meaning.. the guy is full of smoke and mirrors, has no ideas at all - and is trying to make something sound exciting and smart, but infact has nothing to offer
Hoffman gets these ideas from The Buddha. Western "scientists and philosophers" never give credit to Eastern thought from 2500 years ago. This is why Alan Watts is amazing!
Adwait vedanta or Ashtavakra gita is in contradiction to normal veds and Upanishads. Sanatan hinduism has nothing to do with this thought of one ness . In fact it is the opposite
“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.” -H.P. Lovecraft
Donald Hoffman is filling in the gaps I had about the meaning of this world with science. That's a powerful tool, but mind-blowing when combined with his intuition. He is a treasure and he sounds as if he was talking from the future.
Lex, the questions that you ask so many different types of people in so many different fields is nothing short of brilliant. Your show is always mind opening. Thanks for all of the work that you do to make this happen. Peace, Jim
mix in mind altering drugs and it’s kinda crazy how this is really true. our convictions altered by the variable charges in our bran. we truly are à manifestation of our data structure
Как будто обновляется информационно всё во Вселенной.Если представить себе,что весь этот "шум" стихнет сможет ли человек,природа,планеты двигаться дальше в развитии или наступит паника и смерть?Далай Ламам вменяют диеты,очистку мозга,всего организма и так Лама обнаруживает нечто,с чем столкнётся именно его народ,который он любит.Очистка,чистое чувство даёт понимание,а не неркотики
My Father was born in 1926, My Mother was born in 1929. My Father joined the Military in WWII He had to lie about it to be able to serve at 17 years old. My Mother remembered having the whole (Atlantic City, New Jersey), turn off all lights so the “Enemy”, not to be able to identify the coastline. Welcome to reality
The same people who say reality is an illusion are the ones who make something out of nothing at all. People today have acres of buildings demonstrating not the glory of god, but the degree of delusion in the population. Most of the prisons in America are filled with people needing mental health service, but the rest of us support too big to fail & endless wars. Who can keep sanity intact? People are the same today. People build the same institutions as when they nailed the fiction known as Jesus. The fiction is quoted as saying render to Caesar. Look at the population density ratio of churches in Goldendale, WA.
We evolved to sense whats important for living? I knew this in grade school nothing amazing here. You get used to bad smells or temperature, whatever, that doesnt mean they’re gone. We do this in real time every day, not just through evolution.
I had a dream once that nuclear war broke out while I was enjoying a day at the park with my friends. It was very cinematic: we saw that impossibly bright light expand out of nothing, and had a long enough fraction of a second to realize that we had died that fraction of a second ago. All of reality came loose in that instant, dissolved into particles, and washed down something like a river of energetic wind, into... Something like a small, dark, blank room, but without walls or describable physical features: it was like the FEELING of being in a room, but there was no room... As the particles entered the "room" they elongated into an infinitude of tiny "worms" or living squiggly strings of all different colours of black--by which I mean... Uh... Like that phenomenon when you squeeze your eyes shut really hard or you're in the dark, and clouds of colour drift across your (lack of) field of vision... Anyway, then the black rainbow of squiggly worms divided itself into six streams that coalesced into separate worm-blob entities, which were me and my friends, "awakening" from an interactive "game" experience, with the general sentiment of "Holy shit! That was intense!" ....and for some reason, this episode reminds me of that dream.
When we can look into one another's eyes without words exchanged & understand the full life experience of the person we are looking at....then we will have finally evolved our consciousness.
What a treasure Hoffman is, working bravely on the cutting edge of knowledge in our time. Best wishes to his team developing models that might achieve similar conclusions to the foundations of eastern mysticism through the application of the scientific /mathematical method. Will be following his path keenly. Thanks Lex for the introductions !
The opening idea of saying "reality is an illusion" makes me bristle with antagonism. I can't stand people who do that kind of navel-gazing mind-fu**ery. That dude needs to have a bad acid trip to straighten him out.
What is purely dangerous is that this clown writes tons of papers on endless theories; nothing more than guesswork that borders on a child's fantasy curley cue network; how does the formless copulate with a solid door;? give him about 6 belts of Jack Daniel's then ask again and see where his deviations leed. The cutting edge of think tank horse shit. If this was an interview for a job; I would tell him; imagine a solid door of chocolate behind you. Open the Hershey highway handle. Who pays these people?
Same here, it will inform my decisions and relationships with a worldview that is consistent with observed reality yet more reassuring than nihilism. Being as a projection of consciousness and discovering I am not the projection.
Welcome down the rabbit hole! It's fun down here- It's infinity deep, and the more you discover the more you learn, the more you realize there's no way to ever have a real freaking clue. But it's sure fun to try to understand
PHEW! This 3hr video took me 8 days and maybe 12hrs.. I rewound. I went away and learnt. I tried to wrap my 'mind' around the concept that I astropreject my reality throught a lense of fractal geometry to refine/define 'our' ethereal consciousness. I intuitively knew chunks of this podcast as if it was a horoscope. I've walked around this mind of mine with many different shoes on, each showing me the endless nature of 'in' and the incomprehensible vastness of 'out'. I've followed your work for years, I have genuine respect for your pursuit of knowledge or abject truth. If you do read this Lex, please know that your work is important to me, and now vicariously through you. Thank you.
@@kaimartinez6335 It's real, you just experience a "simplified" version of the true, objective reality. Our subjectively perceived, "simplified" version of reality is therefore not "real", because it is not what's happening "under the hood" in the objective reality, only a sort of low quality projection of it. This conclusion is drawn from the fact that we according to the theory of evolution only need to know the parts of the objective reality that we need to reproduce. The claim is that these important parts will always be a subset of all the parts of the objective reality, never the whole thing, and it is therefore zero percent chance that what we perceive is the objective reality. Anyways, that's how I understood it.
@@kaimartinez6335 Listen to it again a month from now, and you will understand more . . . Because your brain will have changed. "Every experience changes the brain" (Doidge, 2007).
I'm going to be a broken record and repeat, either there is such a thing as objective reality or all of our subjective realities coincide to give the impression of the same table, same Lex, same dr. Hoffman. Whichever way you look at it, you cannot math your way out of a common reality.
I have a lot of respect for this man. He is amazing to hear talk. I'm just a simpleton but he is able to make me understand his concepts (even if I struggle). Also I appreciate how humble he is.
You MUST speak with Tom Campbell, a man with a theory very similar to Hoffman's but with more explanatory power IMO. His theory is titled with a tongue-in-cheek name: "My Big TOE." He is currently in the process of conducting some quantum mechanics experiments a la the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser experiment. I think you'd have a great conversation with him and he gives interviews regularly. Make it happen PLEASE!
what do you think apes?! this sick irrational senile got a revelation from the sky or COVID-19 effect ! this ape is not the first case, they use thievery as patching techniques.
Yes, very interesting man. I am now on Astral Academy class with Jade Shaw (learning of astral projection = out of body experiences) and Tom presented us last week. It was really interesting and fascinating. Basically, you can think of your body as an avatar and this reality as we know it as a channel (data stream) and with OBE, you are shifting to another data stream, usually to the astral realm in which totally different laws applies (the astral is directly thought responsive environment). From the astral you can move anywhere you like with a speed of thought, similarly as a spectator after you 'die' in a multiplayer game.
Tom Campbell also said that the simulation cannot be explained with the tools/knowledge inside the video game/matrix, for that one will need to step outside of it.
Haven’t listened to McKenna in a while. Y’know what your comment made me think of? Remember the timewave zero hypothesis? Years later, nearing his death (and also nearing 2012) Terence eventually renounced this idea. However… since December of 2012 it really does seem like we are living in a hyper-novel reality. In the last couple years with COVID and the lead up to this fall’s elections, I’d say yes… we are building toward an asymptotic novelty curve. Which is exactly what the timewave predicted.
Yes, Hoffman has gone a long way down the road, and is trying to patiently explain to us plodders his true thoughts. And in doing this has to, as a scientist ,keep it within its conservative realms of experimentation and reasoning.
@@greenflame8398 Same. on the outside it seems like confusion or communication issues when I am simply trying to stop five different pathways of thoughts coming through at same time... I have to hold back the multiple streams of thoughts and attempt to find the communication best for the subject in front of me. I am steady changing how I communicate based on their development
@@amnrasellassie I can relate to that. Asking myself what I want to communicate helps a lot. Natural language is not designed to compress multiple input streams into one output stream. At least not at once.
The arguments he makes that we are using our consciousness to create the world is precisely the conclusion I reached after experiencing a DMT trip at the age of 72. I am a retired biomedical scientist and tried to interpret what I experience as an observant biologist rather than just going for a ride. My sense of what happened visually is that I have a capability of creating a visual representation of my consciousness that, when disentangled from sensory inputs paints pictures conjured up by subconscious elements of my self (probably not the right term) that are rendered onto my visual field in as fine a detail as I normally render the world that is presented to me by my sensory inputs (light striking my biological sensors and then being interpreted by my brain) or being "painted" before me. Afterwards I discussed with my guide the sense that I was using a "pallet" to paint the so-called hallucinations and under normal sensory control I use to "paint" the surroundings that I perceive. I said that when I look at you I am creating a picture of you, that when I turn my head I wipe out that painting and replace it with whatever else comes into my visual field. So in a visual sense we are clearly creating the world as we look at it and rendering it in some representative fashion. But somehow, on DMT the "pallet" suspends painting the outcome of the usual sensory inputs but instead paints pictures from another source, which I interpret as being what Jung would call the unconscious. The fact that I experienced a phenomenal degree of trailing as I came out of the experience made me feel that the mechanism was more like motion pictures than painting because a trailing image is like a series of still pictures that normal blend when presented rapidly but that they were slowed down to reveal a series of still images during the transition period from the trip back to normal reality.
Well said, Sir, very interesting pov. What I took from my dmt trip was that that realm is our original home. The entities were like family that knew and cared for me.
Great explanation of the relationship between the source energy and realitivistic universe. How consciousness without form is in essence "god" and that we are the universe experiencing itself
You are cold. You'd be alot warmer if you'd learn the truth about: #1. Why they lied about going to the moon(because we can't), #2. What we learned from HRC's emails(Big clues that satanism has been rampant for centuries including weekly child sacrifice/murder), #3. MD medicine is a Rockefeller monopoly(for profit only). Real medicine is found in nature( vaccine cause diseases). Clear out all the junk science and false beliefs... you'll be closer to being HOT and the real simple truth.
Two important notes: - I've always loved the way scientists keep pushing in this direction, it's very brave to look into the darkness and try to make sense of it; - The interface is limited by evolutionary purposes, but can be "liberated" so you can "see". It is dormant but you can "activate" it and once you can do that, there is a lot of "interfaces" that you can interact with. It is more complex but also much easier to take in because the conceptual mind is no longer interfering with the process. Hard to put into words and maps, but I've had that experience with meditative practices and many report the same experience. So in my perspective, the interface has many lenses that are dormant and we are kind of "stuck" in this "gross" lens by force of habit, but you can unlock them with certain practices. So imagine we have 100 lenses but we are only using five by default of evolution. The evolution is already written (100 lenses) but we only evolved these 5. We are like the ultimate surfers of reality, we have the potential of experiencing through many different perspectives that we have yet to unlock.
I was meditating yesterday, and I had an experience that is inexplicable, out of body, and when I pushed myself back into reality I laid there and it felt like my entire being was vibrating. It sounds crazy, but I no longer believe anything is as simplistic as we believe, there's more to what "is" than what we consider reality
How are we the ultimate surfers of reality if we have yet to evolve a way to discern the way to cycle through the supposed 100 lenses for optimal gripping...and with that we can hypothesize that a being that can won't be human but will have evolved from us...???
I just wish Hoffman and those like him would realise they’re now saying the same thing ancient people were saying for thousands of years like in Hinduism, Buddhism, Zen Buddhism. Etc. They could learn a lot if they realized they figured this out a long time ago without modern science, or modern experiments, or modern analogies. And they could learn what important questions to ask if they looked at their philosophy/perspective and tried to put it in their language. Asking the question about the nature of how we see our selves, the “self”, has huge ramifications.
@@Edbrad Did you actually watch the entire conversation? He literally said the same thing, the only problem is that you can't just apply the scientific methodology to all mumbo-jumbo you hear in any theistic (or not) mystical practices. It's easy to say "The world is an illusion", yet it's another thing to build a working theory around it.
I love this section from Call of Cthulhu. Lex speaking of being driven into madness by questioning the fabric of reality made me think of it. "The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”
science is and always will be flawed ,with 4 senses, to understand the space time conclusions you must be on both sides at the same time, there will never be an answer to the M theory- therefor the perception will always be inverted / such as negative and positive existing at the very moment recognized.The theory of everything ,can only be mathematically solved ,only by existing in all dimensions simultaneously -both on the negative sides and positives . witch therefore is no spacetime
Interesting that you bring this up. I have never understood "cosmic horror". I enjoy it as a storytelling motif, it usually deals with interesting ideas. You could say I enjoy that it handles 'cosmic' ideas. But I have never felt even an inkling of 'horror' about it.
Итак, я снова спрашиваю: кто просыпается, когда ты просыпаешься? Просыпается «я». Точно, просыпается «я». Когда просыпается «я», вместе с ним пробуждается прошлое, настоящее и будущее. Это значит, что появляется время и пространство. А вместе с временем и пространством появляются солнце, луна, звезды, горы, реки, леса, люди, звери и птицы. Когда «я» входит в состояние бодрствования, туда входит и все остальное. Пока «я» находилось в состоянии глубокого сна, был полный покой. Если ты не будешь трогать просыпающееся «я», счастье глубокого сна не оставит тебя и во время бодрствования. Сделай это хотя бы на полсекунды, на четверть! Не прикасайся к «я». Это «я» - такая штука, без которой можно запросто обойтись. Не касайся «я» и скажи (если не спишь), что с тобой. 🕳️ Пападжи Всё и Ничто одновременНо
"I'm having an existential crisis and I'm gonna die soon and we all die pretty quickly so hey I wanna figure out why chocolate is so delicious" Lex Friedman
Donald: our reality has nothing to do with real reality Lex: well, how can we reach real reality Donald: there is no way to do it Lex: well, can this knowledge be useful? Donald: no it cant, just be aware of it Lex: ok
Reality is not an illusion, your reality may be but reality is reality. How we perceive the world is not an illusion. It’s an accurate measurement of actual reality and you’re there in the middle of it..
I had this feeling as well.. when he mentions that an object is made of cells and has functions and purpose but if you look away it ceases to exist just doesn't seem like an intelligent conclusion to me
Ecclesiastes 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens. It is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it. It all works out in the end. Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory.
Really great interview with Lex and Don. The parallels with Indian spiritual traditions are very strong. Advaita Vedanta and Yogacara Buddhism schools immediately come to mind. Lex, please keep finding and interviewing incredible guests like Dr. Hoffman. Thank you
God is love, and love is us. He lives on all of us. He's the consciousness. No, life is not as boring as you described but you have your rights and freedom to expose your thoughts. I hope you have a great life and be happy or at least content.
You see the world not as it is but as you are. Observers are not passive recipients of reality but active participants who "construct" reality through their perceptions. So consciousness plays a key role in the manifestation of phenomena. The observer is the osberver and without this realization there is fragmentation. Perception is shaped by the mind's filters: beliefs, fears, desires, and to truly see the observer must dissolve ;) When the observer is here we see only what is useful not what is true. Reality is a network of conscious agents rather that physical objets. What we call physical objects are projections of conscious interactions. Reality at its core is a web of conscious experiences. The world we perceive is not the ultimate truth but a construct, shaped either by thought or by evolutionary survival mechanisms. Perception has limitations and consicouness is central to all that topic.
I love Donald and his work, he's a very nice and warm personality. About his work, is mind-blowing but more in line with 3000+ years of knowledge and wisdom
Not to mention a clear speaker. And you can sorta tell there’s a definite wild man in the “space walking astronaut” sense under that bow-tie academic demeanor! 😂 I love him. So much! 🥰
He can't be that brilliant if he says "spacetime doesn't exist". Perhaps he misspoke. The concept of spacetime is a tool, a theory for us to explore our universe. Obviously it may not be fundamental. Listening to this guy, honestly, he sounds like many bullshit artists. No offense if youre a fan, but he can't even seem to form coherent statements. Sometimes that us confused for extreme intelligence. But if you can't explain a concept to a layperson, you don't understand it. And he won't shutup about symmetries. And in 15 minutes in and he is still just repeating himself over and over, and hasnt actually said anything except "symmetries, spacetime is doomed" and lots of word salad. And when I say word salad, I mean it in its definition, not referring to terms I don't recognize (that's how some used the term). He also just keeps saying "millions of terms have been simplified to one", but explains absolutely nothing about what he's actually talking about well, attempting to talk about. I listen to many podcasts. And I've read and learned about physics and cosmology for 20 years. This guy isn't saying much of anything. He keeps vaguely referring to "what's bey0nd spacetime". He doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. Everyone knows QM and relativity don't seem to be compatible. He's really just babbling in this interview. If he is brilliant, he should not do interviews..
@@spiralsun1 um....clear speaker? Lol this man's interview responses are the worst, most incoherent, poorly structured, word salad I have EVER heard from anyone on any scientific topic, especially cosmology or quantum theory. He explained next to nothing, and for 30 minutes he went on almost sounding like Donald trump- never finishing a thought, never actually stating a complete idea or point, constantly just spewing word salad
i wish there had been an internet and these type sources of info when i was in my 20s and really getting a strong sense of and almost glimpses into what this man is talking about. All I had were books though, and poems, I found in many poems reflections of what I had glimpsed, especially I found it in the poetry of Robert Frost.
@John Rider there are too many paradoxes and things that are inconceivable like infinity plus there is the problem of hard determinism...all of which make it inevitable that some people will always wonder what''s really going on.
@@moirahill6397 i still have books, lots more than before because i can easily find anything i want, push some buttons and like magic it arrives at my door. There is no comparison or competition between the internet and books, two incredibly different things and it's not an opinion, it's just simple fact, that the internet is one of the greatest human inventions, up there with the wheel.
Если отделять иллюзию от реальности - то где находится иллюзия относительно реальности? Получается реальность не тотальная - а некий фрагмент чего-то большего. И появляется двойственность: реальность-нереальность (иллюзия, сон).
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12:40 - Spacetime
37:04 - Reductionism
57:30 - Evolutionary game theory
1:25:53 - Consciousness
2:21:13 - Visualizing reality
2:33:48 - Immanuel Kant
2:36:30 - Ephemerality of life
2:44:56 - Simulation theory
2:50:37 - Difficult ideas
3:05:39 - Love
3:09:14 - Advice for young people
3:11:33 - Meaning of life
We have record gas prices, crime rates and homelessness along with a rise in mental illness while birth rates and health decline. And you don't know if it's real? Trust me. As someone in real life. It's REAL.
the apes use thievery as patching techniques !
what do you think apes?! this sick irrational senile got a revelation from the sky or COVID-19 effect ! this ape is not the first case, they use thievery as patching techniques.
who wrote that is human not apes ! the apes use thievery as patching techniques ! not humans unbelievable !
dirty sick irrational apes, nothing can turn the apes into humans including thievery !
the apes steal then pollute! the only thing the apes can do is stealing from human similar to any other apes, the apes pollute human logic !
the apes' logic and human logic are completely different, the only thing the apes can do is polluting human logic.
I just want this video to go viral so I can finally talk about this with others without being perceived as possibly being literally insane at best… :(
Omg. SAME! People look at us like we’re “nuts!” Lol. I hope more and more people start waking up and paying attention and realizing MORE! So much more! There’s a lot of us out there I do believe but it’s hard to decipher who’s who!
@@Iam...--- they're not nuts, they're NPCs.
This "knowledge" is totally useless. It doesn't change anything.
@@petemoss3160 They're in a trance.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 the difference with Christianity is that its not an idea. It's the story of Jesus and the belief that he is the son of God.
It is also the foundation of the western civilization so whether you believe it its true or not it clearly had a huge impact.
I almost died when I was 29 . Twice within 3 weeks . I almost bled to death the first time and I wasn’t scared when I accepted that I was going to die . I was calm . The second time I had a pulmonary embolism which most likely was from the prior instance. Again I felt extremely peaceful and I have four kids . But I knew everyone was going to be alright without me . I felt they would hurt for awhile but they would live on until they too accepted their own deaths .. changed my life . I realized how much time I was wasting in the illusion of our reality . I am still in an illusion but my illusion consists of nature . I try to live everyday to the fullest and to experience as much as I can . We are only here for so long .
I also almost died twice. Once from anaphylaxis when in foreign country and ambulance was by boat and time not on my side. I made peace with it quickly, was very peaceful and surprised to wake up alive many hours later. 2d time was ongoing issue that I kept fighting when heart rate/BP repetitively would plummet. Stayed alive and go through that period. 2 very different situations of acceptance when no choice, but fought when possible.
Beautiful
That's beautiful 🖖
What illusion?
I almost drown in the Kern River. I struggled and struggled for so long and then in one second, I just stopped trying and all fear left my body and mind and total calm came over me and I remember just being amazed that i was going to die. I just accepted it and felt relieved.
Public school may have failed me but it certainly never stopped me from continuing my education on the things I was never taught. I am grateful to have lived during this time.
I feel you on this. But I am grateful that I have lived in *THAT time. In this time, I have a life to be lived
I say a version of this daily, I wasn’t blessed with the formal education, but being able to hear people who are experts in the field, knowing that I’m intelligent enough to at least follow along and do my own research into the things are speaking of expand my world and forever grateful for it
@mevinkoser8446 I've been playing this on and off from the start while I go to bed the last few mo ths and I've never finished it because I'll fall asleep. Shit gives me tripping dreams
I'm $160,000 in debt for my education because I, unlike the uneducated, have come to appreciate the universal truth that truth does not exist; _"I think, therefore I'm a ghost."_
I am currently entertaining offers of employment at 7 figures and above in exchange for putting my universal knowledge to work in any enterprise whatsoever.
I'm also now considering marriage offers from any young menstruating persons whose birthing experience was the consequence of a conjugal union between a well heeled impregnating person and an extremely alluring birthing person.
This isn't the first time in history they have had a internet. We are fortunate before transhumanism fully rolls out they "gave us" access
I was going to buy his book but he said it’s not real.
he said what's not real? or was that a joke I'm slow
Don't bother he is plagiarising. Read Kant - Critique of Pure Reason. All he is doing is invoking transcendental idealism and applying that to physics. Sad that today what used to be required reading a century ago is unknown.
@@SI-qp7cm I don't suppose you could please, give me a tack away point that is actually applicable to my life, regarding this stuff with Kant (which you say Hoffman is plagiarising)
like how can we utilise this information or perhaps "perspectives", to better go about our day to day lives?
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По поводу времени, да! Времени как такового, физически сущностного, в реальности нет. Есть интерфейсное понятие времени. Которое возникает в результате сравнения(квантования-измерения) относительных перемещений материальных объектов в пространстве. То же самое и с реальностью. Реальность, это сложный мультипликативный продукт человеческого сознания, возникающая в результате восприятия окружающей и собственной действительности.😅
I left dozens of comments for you to please get this man on the show. My wishes have come true. Much appreciated, Lex. Looking forward to this one 🙏🏻🙏🏻
We have record gas prices, crime rates and homelessness along with a rise in mental illness while birth rates and health decline. And you don't know if it's real? Trust me. As someone in real life. It's REAL.
the apes use thievery as patching techniques !
Same!
Same!
what do you think apes?! this sick irrational senile got a revelation from the sky or COVID-19 effect ! this ape is not the first case, they use thievery as patching techniques.
imagine being a character in a book trying to understand your way out of the book into the higher dimension. thats what hes talking about
are you referring to 'flatland' ?
@@tuutuutuuttuutuutuut2244 im not aware of what flatland is honestly. but from my own observations in life (im 42 years old now) and being a huge gamer as well, the way i interpret what he means is like imagine AI in a game becoming sentient and trying to get out from inside the game world (2 d space) into our world.
imagine a game character trying to jump out of the screen and into our world. it makes no sense because of all thats involved to create the 2d world, characters, rules in the game etc.
and what hes saying is that there is stuff that we will never be able to see or understand, similar to an AI character not being able to see the 1's and 0's of code needed to create it and the space its in.
hope im explaining it clearly, its as simple as i can try to put it + im not a physicist either
But character trying buliding own knowledge to understand the box sometimes it work sometimes not questions is not about know box what if understand it then stuck your own box then fell alone with your own box you I want connect your box with other then new mix fromed and another layers confusion build that make difficult to understand by other who want know box it goes on unit completely destroy box my thoughts real question is what we doing after we know everything maybe make box more colourful more attractive maybe achieve Direct connection between what you know about or what you try to know . Reality nothing and nothing is is reality
@@ObeyaCorpsArmory I understand what you’re saying. He’s contradicting himself. He says truth is intrinsically hidden from us and then says he is trying to discover new possibilities of truth to replace the model of space time. 🤦♂️
Bro there is nowhere to go. We are tied to our bodies in this dimension. Best we can do is take care of it, embody it as much as we can to have a smooth ride... That's why most mystical practices are actually shifting the focus back to some feeling/body/breath. Same as psychotherapy. When you understand that they are intertwined to form this fundamental "user interface", you can transcend it. You're still here, but it doesn't matter as much. Whether your indulge in desire or not doesn't really matter anymore. It's just a product of the user interface. But you have to go through ascetism and "wanting to escape the matrix" first to get it, to EXPERIENCE it.
Bob Monroe with his "Hemi-Sync" in the 70's talk about the exact same thing, that reality in fact is an illusion, that there is something else. We are much more that we think we are.
Thomas Campbell was his student, have you checked his work?
@@KAI5ERCHIEF I'm not aware, but I'll look in to it.
Thanks.
Reality is not an illusion. Our interpretation of reality is limited, but not illusory.
@@tj2636 Yes, it is an illusion. Other teachings from other cultures talk about this centuries ago, now science it's caching up.
Get out of your body and see with your own eyes, you don't need to believe in anything people tell you. There are tons of books about astral projection, you can try the "gateway experience" tapes, from Monroe Institute or whatever, get on it.
A fractal of God ! Like a wave is to the ocean ? Like a grain of sand is to the beach ? Like a molecule of H2O is to the Great Lakes ? Like one drop of water is to a sunami ? Like a snow flake is to The Arctic ice sheet ? Hmm, that makes me God. The good news - you are too, the only - I AM ! You are saying we are much more then we think we are ? More than God ? How so ?
Indian scholars have been debating these philosophies for over 1400 years. What Hoffman describes as one consciousness is what Advaita Vedanta calls Brahman or Atman literally translated as soul. It’s not just limited to living beings. Aham Brahmasmi translates to I am the universe (all atoms, stars, galaxies, rocks, all of us people are really just an illusion, a projection of one “true” consciousness). We are all one.
@@0_1-1_0 so true!
If you really want to understand or perceive to understand it , you must give up on all the bullshit that has been fed to you since your childhood, it is the denial that keeps bringing you back this hindu mythology .
Aham brahmasmi translates to a lot of things , a clear translation from sankrit says 'I am brahman '
Please do not try to connect mythology and religion to science it just doesn't make sense, I know it gives some sort of validation to your beliefs.
Yup
Чистый факт. Но, для определенного уровня сознательности!
Я один раз испытала это на себе.. Проходила с психотерапевтом холотропное дыхание и при очередном сеансе транса я почувствовала, что я всё и сразу: и вода и песок, звезда и пустота и животные и т.д., я, конечно уже забыла это ощущение, но помню, что осознание, что я часть всего одновременно это такая эйфория, что мне теперь всю оставшуюся жизнь хочется снова это испытать, но холотропное воззвание я больше не могу практиковать, так как ужасно начинает болеть голова во время дыхания
I started struggling with perceived reality versus evolution as a kid. I would look at a meadow of flowers or the last rays of the sun streaming through a break in the clouds creating a salmon glow and wonder why I felt that these were beautiful. I could understand that looking at a table full of food would trigger feelings of anticipation, excitement, enjoyment and satisfaction, because the food is connected to survival. It still seemed a stretch, or a leap, to get to "beauty." But we don't eat a meadow, and we certainly don't eat a sunset. My dad was a scientist in biology who was considered to be at the very top of his field of research, so one of the two most significant people in my early life was firmly attached to evolution, theorems, statistics and probabilities. He explained the world to me from his absolute perspective. But he could never explain to me how a universal sense of beauty evolved. Where did this come from? What prompted the need for it to arise to evolve within our species?
Well sunshine is essential to your survival....
@@scottkoenig1260 Of course, but it seems a stretch, if not a leap, from seeing a beautiful sunset to feeling like you're going to survive a little longer. When I look at my pantry stocked up for the winter, it is a very different feeling of satisfaction and survival from the feeling of inner tranquility from looking at something "beautiful."
But that's just me. . .?
Did you ever consider the possibility that God created you and also instilled in you an appreciation for natural beauty?
@@digitalwasabi2 Please get off your imaginary religious kick.
@@wuodanstrasse5631 why you being toxic? Why religion triggered you ?
I love Lex Fridman because he allows his guests to talk. He doesn't suck up the time with host bull and talking about himself and over complementing the guests, like all the other interviewer shows. Lex gets to the point and lets the guest get to the point. I wish more hosts would be like Lex. He keeps things simple and on point.
And he doesn't let the speaker get away with hand waving. He makes them be clear about things, especially when such things seem hard to accept, e.g., how our sense of individual selves must be constituents in a larger universal consciousness. He doesn't hide that this is hard to follow, but he professionally acknowledges it.
Worked in the horse barn would be a solid example .
And he looks good doing it
Atheism is foolishness, scientism is garbage and
Joe Rogan is actually masterful at listening and is well known for allowing guests to just go.
I love his quote"brains are something that consciousness makes up". It reminds me of one of Lex's other guest, maybe Vitalik, that when he was asked "what is money", he said"it's a game". That blew my mind since it made me realize our whole civilization is based on this game we created to see how many people would choose to join different games. You can learn as much from the people who drop out of the game (off-grid or homeless etc) as you can by people still playing the game
It would seem this "game" has real consequences such as destroying natural resources and ruining lives.
@@bpalpha It's all part of the process and nature.
@@bpalpha There are no "natural resources." Consciousness is the only reality and the material world only exists in your mind.
If No brain, then no consciousness. Brains are a prerequisite
@@NwoDispatcher Really? There are thousands, maybe millions of accounts, of people being clinically dead (no measurable brain activity whatsoever) who still continue to have thoughts. Read any of the myriad tails from NDE's or the fact that nurses have witnessed this for ages. How can the brain be the genesis of though if you can still think once you're dead?! Welcome to the matrix coppertop.
For me reading Nietzsche was a relief. For some people it's an anxious moment to realize that life is just a preparation to death and, even there, isn't much. The experience to be happy with what we've done or will do experience is the thing... I mean just realizing that we don't matter, there's no attachment, just a big release, just the moment. For sure, being highly handicapped with chronic pain help to let it go until there's not much no more than myself trying to deal with it peacefully. That's my only life goal dealing with it with happiness and being into life's contemplation. Life is so beautiful in itself and we don'T dare to look at it. Nature ! So much precious to me to watch it. Learning ! Same. Endless moments of happiness. Sometime even just to examine pain and live it is joy.
Yooooooo I was looking to see if anyone brought up Nietzsche. When he began talking about seeing the truth and that it’s hidden from us.
“Suppose truth is a woman…”
Nietzsche challenges Kant’s notion of a “thing in of itself” which I feel is exactly what Hoffman is describing. That we can never see the truth bc it’s hidden. What we see is any illusion of reality. Nietzsche handled this well by saying “how can anything arise out of its opposite” truth from untruth reality from illusion.
If the truth is hidden from us then the truth can not be the thing hidden behind what we see as reality. For that to be the case then the truth is to be found through our illusions?
You can’t find truth this way. In fact it’s not truth you’re looking for. You’re serving your own desires by searching for what you call truth.
The thing in of itself exist as truth as much as the table we see. Nietzsche claims one can’t exist without the other and truth must stand on its own. The table and the dna and the atoms and the chemistry are all truths it’s all reality.
Я мама,ушедшего любимого сына ...,с юности читавшего Нитце....не важно ...
Два года,как нет моего сына ...а я как в воронке,живу и мучаюсь.....
@@valentinachijikova8037 you know... I speak French but not here because no one would understand me here so I type in English. Like I understand no sh!t of Russian language.
@@valentinachijikova8037K finally translated it. Sry for your loss. I'll never understand your situation but I'm sure it's one of the worst experience possible. You should try to focus on things that make you grow. I'm pretty sure this is something that will hunt you every time in your life. Try to focus on the happy time and experience you had with him and what he would want you to be or become. It's a tragic time where you need to make some perspective. For a long time you'll be focussed on it but it will make you stronger and have a true understanding of other people's feelings about the tragedy of life itself.
“So…. Are you ever worried about breaking your brain?” 😂😂 Lex Always asking the real questions we all want to know 😁
Yeah, it's a very real threat. Psychosis or soul fracturing with the absorption of so much knowledge.
This is the biological limitations of our flesh..... 😈 but not the AIs....
My brain was already brocken...now I feel like I just tweaked out on it for a week and lost half the pieces in the other 6 projects channels this video got it working on...what an f'n mess... I'm going to sleep!
Yet, he's disarming in that Columbo way! - Columbo dressed as a funeral director, obviously a winning strategy!
As soon as he asked, my brain broked!🤯 Oh crap, now it's dripping!
😂😂😂
Lex: You outdid yourself with this one! You are a brilliant interviewer and the way you are getting out the ideas of such leading edge thinkers as Donald Hoffman (one of my very favorite people on the planet) deserves an immense amount of gratitude. Thank you for such high level conversations! You are every bit as special a human being as Donald is. I really appreciate you!
What you said. Just love the lack of ego and deep natural enquiry Lex brings to the table
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When there is a title saying Evolution hid the truth, that is the first lie. Hoffman is NOT a leading edge thinker. He is lying to you. Any physicist knows that evolution is not true. Energy is constantly bursting forth, spinning, vibrating, pulsating, rotating, beaming, growing, seeing, jumping, etc.
@@Iseomagicpromotion Im happy for you you came out
The human User Manual is very user friendly. Could it be the most studied material ever on the planet just so happens to be the link some need to appreciating the "brains behind our brains"? Enter the "Shroud of Jesus". paste this title into TH-cam for reverse engineering a resurrection skewed carbon dating / enough to convince any objective jury in any Courtroom in the land beyond a "reasonable doubt". Research and decide for yourself! TH-cam title here: Hypothesis to Explain the Main Mysteries of the Shroud of Turin
The fact that lex can even keep up and challenge this man’s theories is why I’m such a big fan 🔥🤘
@beesting23replied to the wrong comment
@beesting23 I think he's insane. 😆
Peter piper picked a pack of pickled peppers…..possibly
What theories? He's just talking Chopra😂
If you search for ‘Ashtavakra gita’ ,an ancient hindu text, it will all make sense. It says a very similar thing
What does it say!?
@ just google it. There mist be translations
Between Robin Hanson's interview and this one, my brain has been battered into a quivering mess. I love it.
Yeah I love this shit
Do you know Bernardo Kastrup? If not, I highly recommend looking into his theory of consciousness.
fr back to back 🤯
Check out Jason on his TH-cam channel Archaix. He's a chronographer of history and has come to the conclusion that we live in a simulation.
@@lievenyperman9363 love him
I like that science is basically just circling the drain into Taoism.
What a time to be alive
😂 No it is not!
@@stevebalmer2367 yes it is🥲
@@redwood-in-stereo yes it is all the way down? :D
@@stevebalmer2367 I don't think you understand Taoism
Yeah, maybe. Circling the drain into something else, certainly…
This is the first time I've gotten high in 4.5 years. I called my sponsor to let him know I needed to reset my days. He asked if it was alcohol or weed. I told him it was neither...
Me Too. FLASH BACK!
Lmao!!!
Pewdiepie subs are worthless
I meet with a group of friends once a week to discuss consciousness and I’m high for days after… it’s very trippy, I feel like I’ll never have to do psychedelics.
A lot to take in but these 2 are great at breaking it down for the layman.
Hey J, 06/25/22 marks 4 1/2 yrs w/out a drink for myself as well.
Love it.
Love hearing other success stories!
Congratulations.
My perception of reality after watching this video is that I am stupid.
Realizing you’re stupid is a first step to become clever
@@WarmasterHorus-jl2oj The sad part is humans aren't smart enough to know they're stupid.
I love the fact that he brought up the concept of MAYA. Being a Hindu and a Nuclear Engineer, I see how deep the implications are and I am so glad someone finally talked about it.
"Questionning the fabric of reality will lead you to madness or the truth and the funny thing is you wont know which is which"
Oh Lex, its going to be a great 3hrs spent. I can tell already!! Thank you for being this amazing human being that I so strongly relate to!!
PS and thank you for redirecting the conversation when it is too scientific to follow. You do a great job!!
As we call upon the name of the LORD/GOD - we already believe that HE is and TRUST IN HIM. A sinner don`t call upon the name of the LORD - their too PRIDEFUL - they block out GOD`S QUIET VOICE IN THEM and GOD BLOCKS OUT THEIR PRAYERS. - That`s the reason SINNERS WONT BE HEARD. None of us can`t do GOD`S WILL if we do not let ourselves listen the QUIET VOICE OF GOD.
All who do call - in them have change already taken place. A heart and mind that wants to REPENT. - that`s why we get saved when we call upon the name of the LORD. And now if our wish to REPENT was real - then WE DO GO AND SIN NO MORE. Are we all able to reach the point of no longer sin at all? - YES WE ARE - or CHRIST life on earth becomes worthless and pointless.
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welcome to my state of mind.
Bukowski put it best, "Some people never go crazy, what truly horrible lives they must live". Let them talk, that's their perception, you herald in the new leaks. Put them onto ImmaterialAI while at that, they'll be able to prove themselves stress, depression, drug addictions etc are just ideas
@@claudiubele4892 Let me share with you all another proof that proofs EARTH IS FLAT AND THE SUN IS CLOSE:
SOLAR PANELS - these won`t work if that version of our earth is the way nasa tells us.
a little thinking and putting the dots together and a REAL AND LOGICAL ANSWER IS ADDED AMONG OTHERS. - that`s how easy it is to research.
Wait. I do think that I can share even another proof: The science channels: as we all take ourselves as highly educated then we should be able to notice a lot - right? - therefore if you all have notice the same I have, then you TRULY KNOW AND SEE THAT THEY, (NASA) NEVER HAVE SEND A THING OUT OF THE EARTH. - THEY PLACE THESE ALL AROUND ON THIS EARTH. Yes, they do a show for us and send them up in the sky for a moment, but all of these come back down soon as their “fake show for us is over” - here is wise to ask: WHAT GOES ON BEHIND THE CURTAINS? Therefore the question I ask from you all: DID YOU MANGE TO NOTICE THE FAKESNES OF IT ALL?
The question form bible to us: TO WE HAVE EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO EAR? and my question: DID YOU ALL NOTICE? - both are the same question just asked a little different:
Therefore to have EYES THAT TRULY SEE = TO NOTICE ALL THERE IS TO NOTICE.
Music concerts = harvesting human energy.
Again, young souls, do researching about FREEMSONRY. Why do you all want to be ignorant and live in NOT KNOWING STUFF. How can you all be safe an fine - if the real harm is unknown to you? Start making a list of HARD QUESTIONS AND THEN GO AND SEEK OUT ALL THE ANSWERS.
I can tell that it’s driven this man mad. I’m on that same path as well, but it’s a path I can’t resist.
51:20 I think he’s right that we’ll never know the true answer to consciousness and reality. Because we create what we perceive, the answers that we discover will always lead to an infinite fractal nature. Simply put, it is turtles all the way down.
As a child I wondered if we all saw a color the same, I.e., “Red”, or if we saw the color uniquely but all associated the seeing with the word “Red”; therefore, we’re still able to communicate effectively.
I do think there is objective reality. But yes, people can have different view points but agree that they are looking at the same object. However, we can measure the wave length of light. And there is evidence that the same neural patterns are triggered in our brains.
Yes. There is. We can mathematically define red. When it gets project into a brain, it could be slightly different. But it doesn’t matter because everyone still understands what red generally means
I used to think about that when I was a kid. I always thought How do we Know it looks the same to everyone?
@@MizJaniceResinArtWe don't. As others have commented we can measure the wavelength and agree that we're seeing the same thing but, if, in my mind, what you see as red i see as blue and vice versa, there's no way you could possibly know.
This is where the difference between the external as it is and our internal perception of that becomes quite stark.
@@MizJaniceResinArtglad I’m not the only one lol
“You will find either madness or truth and you won’t know which is which” wow that sure is exact to my experiences
well youd hafta be a little mad to think youve actually found truth. you can cook the perfect omlet in your mind, but you cant eat it.
I dunno who Zach is, looks like he runs some sort of online publication. But If youre into Gematria, id recommend looking into the Erisian Law of Fives. 😉
I like to say they'll call you mad for speaking truth in a mad world.
@@user-nf9xm7is3m if you think youre speaking truths in a mad world, you might actually be the mad one. You can tell someones mad when they start yelling "IM NOT MAD! YOURE MAD! YOURE ALLLLL MAD! I JUST KNOW THE TRUTH!"
Daily.
1:13:28 "I think we have let go of the word obviously in this conversation" - I laughed up at that. I love your humour Lex.
I found this hard to follow but here are my takeaways:
1. Spacetime is not fundamental.
2. When we accept that spacetime is not fundamental, it becomes much easier to explain our mind, thoughts and feelings.
3. We have evolved to perceive our environment not necessarily in a realistic way, but rather in a way that helps us survive.
For some reason this all sounded so familiar and then I remembered Plato's metaphor about the people in the cave staring at their own shadow instead of reality outside the cave.
Not their own shadow but shadows created by something else.
Hoffman is clearly beating a dead horse.
The cave walls and the fire are themselves shadows.
@@melvynobrien6193 Yeah Plato's idea was soon debunked by Aristotle
@@PooyaSadeghi I am not sure you've realized what was the point of Plato's metaphor.
I can usually get my head round these alternate ways of seeing the world and who we are, what it is that makes us, us. But I did start to get a bit lost with this one, not the idea, but because I got repeatedly left behind as I didn't fully understand the meaning, or at least his exact meaning which far differed from the meaning I attribute to them, of the words he used.
Eye opening , but the day after listening having my morning coffee listening to the birds chattering in the woods, I fail to see how anything he said makes the slightest bit of difference to my life or those I care for, I am just glad it rained last night as the garden needed it.
I listened twice to this podcast and while it is an interesting way to thought experiment and challenge orthodoxy I feel like he was pretty repetitive with the same point using many and varied analogies.
He's definitely interesting and seems by all accounts to be an awesome guy.
The only value I derive is using it as a challenge to conventional wisdom and to see where that takes the conversation.
Or ya know maybe the real watered gardens are the friends we make along the way.
Boom consciousness inception achieved Donald Hoffman!
Same haha gonna try a second listen otw to work tomorrow morning.
Same here. I am not as enamored by this guy like 99% of the comment section
It’s like he’s making it up because he doesn’t prove anything at all.
Plus unlike the scientific method, he is determined to make it true no matter what. He keeps mentioning, “my team” will prove this, even if they are not yet working on it. How can he say that?
Plus, he constantly says “there is a paper out there on it”, like a paper is empirical proof. He has a lot of arrogance about a theory which currently is wildly difficult to ever prove
@@rogerwelsh2335 I feel like there's more of a likelihood of proving one of the multiverse theories than his interface theory.
It's basically a simulation type argument when you strip it down.
I think he’s relying on consciousness giving rise to amplituhedrons. How that happens, or what would even mean, is extremely vague. He seems a little out of his depth, given he is not a physicist.
I've had to rewatch this podcast several times. My Interface hurts 🤕. This might be one of my all time favorites though.
*My interface hurts 🤕* lol I love it!
😅 same
😂 same
While I can claim to understand the base conceptual meaning of what they are talking about I would never claim to know any of it! This will definitely be getting multiple relistens as it is fascinating! I am so glad to have the opportunity to be such a small fish in a big pond listening people that much more intelligent and informed than me!
Yeah, my brain kept cramping up too. Lex was trying to simplify things or try to make it relatable to something so we could understand better. I don't think it worked lol
The map is not the territory
I retract my praise for this podcast, Lex is a good guy nonetheless. if " reality is an illusion " is true then that statement is also an illusion which is self defeating. The foundations of knowledge and logic are not possibly in a "illusion" world. This is Descartes Demon look up all the debunkings of that argument. If reality is an illusion therefore logic does not matter and words do not have significance so good luck debating that. Donald Hoffman is a case of somebody who is too smart for their own good. You can learn yourself into deception if you try hard enough.
Well said! I imagine this type of conversation was had by Plato and Socrates back in the day only they were the only ones to hear it. That we can hear this is a gift and a prize in itself.
I think every Arby's employee has questioned reality, lol.
Tom Bilyeu's interview with Hoffman is MUCH better. Lex is a sweet guy but his questions are dopey; obvious that Lex didn't do his homework.
Those Arby's boys ain't the juiciest beef in the roast.
Yes. Open access to info like this is critical to advancing society and elevating the average intelligence of all. Beautiful work as always from Lex :)
I am just a humble engineer with approximately 14 yeas of experience in different areas of mechanical engineering and project management… I follow the scientific institute’s discoveries and theories and find them truly inspiring and interesting… I have almost NO IDEA what this debate was about… it’s both fantastic and horrifying to know that the human intellect stretches soooo far beyond your own. Please keep these great podcasts coming and use your beautiful brains to help us intellectually abandoned organisms better understand the question for which the answer is 42.
What bro I was there with you and then you mentioned 42 and my brain malfunctioned. What is this about 42?
@@ZamweenieComes from a movie titled ”Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”
take an intro course to philosophy of the mind and it'll all be clear
@@frnchfryR6 thanks man imma check that out
@@Zamweenieit’s the meaning of life
This "reality" could be just an artifact coming from another "reality". Our reality could be nothing more than the exhaust from the tailpipe of an even grander reality.
Again ,more double speak I don't get. I must be the owner of the stray braincell that was dropped on the floor of creation when the quantum universe birthed me.
“Could be” “ could be” “could be”
I know mine is...
There is one big consciousness (God) projecting an infinite amount of realities and sub-consciousness' (Us)
You are blithering.
I'd like this guy to talk to my landlord so i dont have to pay rent anymore.
Your landlord talked to this guy already. That's why you pay rent! 😂
It’s always been my belief that when we take psychedelics, we are opening ourselves up to be able to perceive reality more closely to the way it actually operates. We “see things moving” because in truth, they are moving. Everything is vibration, and if you take enough acid or mushrooms, you can literally see that.
You can also see it as what the limits and capabilities of our interfaces are. Kinda like plugging in an usb drive and executing the software on it to see what happens.
The problem is that this is how your brain see reality. His point is that this is how evolution has evolved you to se it to survive. But what you see is not reality « as is it as». The same way that a dog see reality for it to survive. The danger of taking drugs is that you get draged into your own ego/narcissism. And start to belive that your ego is « reality». When the « real reality» is out of your reach. My point is drugs can tell us alot about the brain and how the brain understands reality. But it say nothing about the real world in it self.
The world is as you say « constantly changeing», but so do the mind/brain. And the drug can make you forget that the mind is changeing in the exact same way the « reality it’s trying to decode» is.
Reality and the brain, is not separat. Reality is just « atoms changeing». And the brain is just these same atoms beeing « aware» of the change. There is nothing more to it.
Objectiv reality is the « change». But the mind and the ego can’t comprehend that it’s not separat from this change. And that death is the end of the « speculating mind».
You can see the change « as it is», but you can never see «why» it changes. His point is that this « why», is out of our reach. Our brain would simply adapt again ( it’s a survival machine». It’s whole function is to survive,replicate,die and create new brains that are more « adaptiv/fit»
The brain is « the map» and «reality simultanius at the same time. The drug can make you aware of this. Or it can panic ( malfunction), and turn to narcissism ( belive that it alone is reality).
The reason for this is that your mind/my mind/all minds are like a grain of sand on a beach. Each one of them exist on it’s own as a singel grain. And they are a part of the beach at the same time.
The scientists point is that your « function» is to be a grain, and that your entite understanding of « reality» is from this point of view. To get another point of view would be definition mean to change ( evolution/revolution)from beeing a grain, to something else.
But even this would not change the only one 100% sure fact about reality. That is is atoms that constantly change. You can observe it, but that’s it. You can’t controll it ( you are not God), only thing you can do is to change and adapt ( both physicaly and mentaly).
His point is that we are only adapting to reality. And reality is never going to adapt to us. Simply because we can never understand it. But what we get more and more understanding about is our own mind. And how it enterpreets reality ( this is how we have made 3d films, games, holograms and so on). But they are all just imitations of how we percive reality. But it’s never even close to understand the « real reality». We are not God’s and never will be.
Life and reality is constantly changeing. This is the only 100% truth there is. The drugs can give insight in this « zen» point of view. In the same way meditation can. But it’s important to understand that your mind has limits, and the same time has no limits ( in the same way the grain of sand is separat from the beach, and is the beach ). Your mind is separat of reality, and is 100% of reality at the same time ( this is the consept of non duality)
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Haha, yeah agree - I think we block it out. If we didn't we would be too distracted. The only movement we need to see is the predator moving in the bush or our prey. The fact that many other inanimate objects might be moving, vibrating or trading or talking is blocked out if it has no bearing on our ability to survive. If anything it reduces our chances - It distracts us from the predator in the bush.
Some of don't need drugs to see what is there. God simply puts us in the know
I'm so happy Lex finally interviewed Don Hoffman. Hopefully, up next, will be Bernardo Kastrup. And, hopefully, this will garner the same number of views as some of Lex's most popular podcasts (currently, under 70,000) as, I believe, Hoffman's theory deserves the widest audience.
do you love a sick thief ? it is stolen from comments on closer to truth youtube channel were written three years ago.
do you think that this sick irrational senile got it suddenly from the sky and he waked up from his long sleep that continued his entire life !
this sick irrational thief is not the first case.
the apes use thievery as patching techniques (that is the only thing the apes are good at, similar to any other apes "no minds, so the only thing the apes can do is stealing human thoughts and polluting it with their defective irrational logic")
I have warned the apes from the beginning: I write for future generations not for the apes, but the apes found a treasure, who steal then run away the first !
apes, who can blame apes !
Yes! My two favorites!
I think Mr. Kastrup is in NL and Lex pretty much only does in-person interviews so the commute sure isn't helping that possibility unfortunately.
Bernardo Kastrup needs a plane ticket! How can we make this happen?
@queerdo Where did you hear this from?
30 mins in and my” brain” and “soul” are so happy. This is making me realize that I need to spend more time connecting with people who love contemplating and discussing this stuff!
Also, really appreciated the dry humor (made me crave chocolate!) and the discussion of psychedelics and spirituality.
Wish I meet those people in real life...Most my friends are interested in partying at my big age
7 mins :)
That is not real, so a waste of your time. Didn't you listen?
If U like this you need to read a book call "the Rai contact it explains everything in life 🤣
@@timpearson1154 what?
He took a really convoluted path to get to the same conclusion as Plato 2000 years ago. Scientists should take philosophy during their first year in college. It would save us loads of money. And wars.
Scientists generally don’t have much say in starting wars politicians generally aren’t scientists and even if they are trained in the sciences they don’t use the scientific method when moving towards war.
In a representative democracy war is almost always a response to an attack of some sort (or the perception of an attack) or required by treaty, to keep standing or whatever with another country whose politicians feel their country has been attacked.
I tried this at the gym today; during my sprint class my legs were about to give up and I was in so much pain and my feet hurt. I told myself the matrix is making me believe I have pain and it hurts, but I don’t have legs therefore pain does not exist! I actually can fly in this bike! My pain was gone! And my legs became part of the bike. It was an amazing experience! 😊
You are 💯 missing the point of what he’s saying dude 😂
@@therealwildfolkThat's exactly what he's talking about. We ARE this one consciousness beyond spacetime and are for some reason creating this reality to experience itself through all things in existence. But don't take my word for it. Achieve true ego death and you'll remember yourself.
Is some supraconscious entity using me to imagine this comment? I don't know what's going on rn
@@OurNewestMember that's exactly what's going on brother.
Sprint..... class?
I am addicted to your pod cast lex ........every night I get excited to put my phone on charge and drift away to a quality podcast 💫💖💫
we all do lol
Yepp cos main stream TV & media is BS .. TV reality life is the illusion..
Ready player 7billion
Me too
Donald Hoffman was an excellent professor. I feel very privileged to have had him. He is generous with his time, gracious, and extremely engaging. His book is a worthwhile read. If you're on a spiritual path, having scientific proof of old teachings can be beneficial to a doubting mind. Reality is an illusion indeed.
You do realize that the phrase or the sentiment that reality is an illusion has become a rather dull buzz phrase that Dr. Deepak Chopra has been promoting for over two decades. But all that Donald Hoffman is really offering in the end is mind candy. He does but conjecture i.e. it's all phenomenology without saying anything with ontological certainty. It really is kind of comical that people think all of this is somehow profound. This kind of conjecture and theorizing has been a rather crowded marketplace of late. It's not spirituality which is a word that has been so overused for a long time now.
P.s. reality is an illusion is an oxymoron i.e. if it's an illusion it's not reality by the very ontological status of capital r Reality, it's not an illusion. It's just a stupid thing to say. It gives the illusion of profundity. Now how's that for an illusion? All of these kinds of discussions are a snake swallowing its own tail.
Do you know how to contact Mr. Hoffman to send him ideas about the universe and our “reality” that we are experiencing? Thank you.
some of the smartest people are the dumbest imaginable..
@@nickolasgaspar9660 dear brother, you are taking this illusionary movie and experience a little too seriously. We all experience this material universe with non material bodies through consciousness, which is not material. The non material is not subject to the limitations of this lower orbit that we call time space and matter. That is why we can only take from it what we experience and not what we can put in our pockets. The Egyptian Pharaohs tried that and we see what happened to them. They were robbed by grave diggers. But the grave diggers can never steal their true treasures which were all the experiences and emotions and feelings and memories they took with them via their conscious connection, back to the infinite, which is not subject to time or the laws of the universe, where matter disintegrates or rusts or falls apart. Just as your consciousness never will either. Stop worrying that the soldiers in Saving Private Ryan died - it was just a movie - they were just actors - it wasn’t real but it was made to seem “real” to give you the experience and feelings and emotions and memories. In the higher dimensions above space time and matter, time does not exist. So this illusion you are experiencing only lasts a few moments, like in comparison, the length of a movie in comparison to your whole life. It is just a short quick lesson for us all to enjoy and glean experiences from and after the movie is over, I hear that we are graduating from this cosmic school and 2nd grade class to the next level - third grade. So try to enjoy the experience. We still have a looooooooooong way to go. 🖖
@@nickolasgaspar9660 when you saw the movie, Saving Private Ryan, did you lament the death of the soldiers that died in the attempt to save Private Ryan? Just as Private Ryan did years later with his family when he visited the grave of the man who died for him and told him to make something good of his life. I know my consciousness felt and experienced an important life lesson from all of it but I also know in the back of my mind that these people are just actors who are talented and paid well for the experiences they give to us through the “magic” of movies. And even though in our heart of hearts we know that it was just a movie and not “real”, we still felt and experienced something we keep inside of us from watching that movie. But your reasoning is equivalent to proving that the movie isn’t real by getting up from your seat in the theater and going outside to prove it. Heck, we all knew when we were sitting inside watching the movie that it wasn’t real but we still stayed inside for the experience and joy and tragedy and memories and feelings it would bring to us, the real us, our conscious us, the part that can’t be found by science or doctors or anybody and nor can it be explained or even defined. And yet it is this part of us that we use to experience the universe and learn cherished lessons and feelings like love and joy and also pain, and all the emotions and feelings of life. And all these cherished memories and feelings are also the things that science can’t find or squeeze into a mathematical equation. And you have to reason with yourself that maybe, just maybe, the real reason that science can’t find these cherished feelings and memories nor the consciousness which we use to get and experience these cherished but unfindable things is because they are not of the physical and not subject to time space and matter as the universe is and these human bodies are as well. The non material conscious can only experience the material but not hold onto it. Can your doctors find inside your body the love that you feel and experience from life and your family and the joy and proud feelings you get from looking at your children’s artwork that they brought home and you put on your refrigerator? I’m certain there is a Nobel Prize awaiting the doctor or person who can do that !! But they will have no more luck doing that then the Egyptian Pharaohs did when they left the theater and realized all their precious material possessions were nowhere to be found. But I’m sure they still have the memories and enjoyment of the life they consciously experienced in hoarding all those material treasures. But I don’t think they need professional help for doing it all. And I don’t think Galileo was rightfully put under house arrest either for having consciousness figured out and also pointed out that the earth was orbiting the sun and not vice versa. But at that time, he was the only person on earth who knew the truth and everybody else knew and also firmly believed that the entire universe revolved around the earth. Are you seeing any parallels here? Should I seek help for feeling and cherishing love inside of me, even though no doctor or scientists or physicists can find it inside me? We, the non material, are inside of and experiencing and enjoying the very material earth and universe and we know we can’t take the material with us or else we would see U-Haul trucks following every hearse. But that doesn’t stop us from enjoying the illusion of the experience. And I for one will always cherish all of the memories and joys of putting my children’s artwork on my refrigerator when they were young and going to school, and what they also now do with their own children. Oh that gold and treasures of the Pharaohs was certainly real alright as we can see them in museums and experience them with our consciousness. And the death of those soldiers saving Private Ryan felt real as well as the acting and sets was marvelous. Just as this set (the universe) is. So does that feeling and memory still make you feel I need to be put under house arrest or has this discussion helped you to reconsider that perhaps the great Galileo was correct? What do you want to take with you after your material and biological computer system cease to function, the material gold and treasures of the Pharaohs or a lifetime of non material joys and experiences that your life and conscious experience has afforded to you here in this very exciting and very real universe? But keep in mind the last six dying words of Steve Jobs which were, “oh wow,…Oh Wow,… OH WOW!!!” I for one feel quite happy in my heart and soul living in a huge house with all the creature comforts as well as using them to host my children and my grandchildren on holidays and on vacations. Here are some other last dying words that I consciously enjoy and cherish -. “…,Father, forgive them, .., for they know not what they do,…”. And yes, I’m definitely taking that cherished memory with me also.
One of my very favorite Donald Hoffman interviews! I only wish I had friends to talk about this stuff with. 😞
We r talking about these things on hilokal.
Yes. I only have one. My brother.
I wish everyone had this experience in talking about. I also have been through a lot of trauma. I won’t get into. Lot. And I understand.
What’s your frequency Kenneth. REM. Lol
We are. We aren’t . Are we? Aren’t we?
“Proceed with caution, questioning the fabric of reality can lead you to madness or the truth, and the problem is, you won’t know which is which” - Lex Friedman 🔥🔥🔥👌🏾💎
** the funny thing is
And how is that 🔥 anyways wtf hes warning people
Bc it's an erie introduction.
@@NicholasLinto Someone has to warn people about it because it’s true and he did, that’s 🔥
@@TheOne-yq6qk i can agree with you on a basic level sir it can be seen as a respectable thing to say in the eyes of your ego but on a deeper level saying that will make most people want to listen more and also increase their odds of going mad by projecting fear into them. Seems to me like you may just think that sounds like a cool thing to say.
This is an outstanding interview. The last 15 minutes were especially beautiful. Lex, I continue to be impressed with the pertinence of your questions and the extent to which you create an atmosphere of calm trust. These elements combined bring out some incredible answers and moments of dialogue.
As Mike Tyson might have said "Everyone thinks reality is an abstraction until they get a punch in the mouth".
Some even think they have their own reality, until someone else punches them in the mouth.
@@letswatchthis4167 We tend to see the world as we are..,not as it is 😊
@@pinkifloyd7867 We tend to see the world as we BELIEVE..,not as it is. Fixed,
It seems true for most cases but then there are the monks that can literally set themselves on fire and meditate until their death... Some people really seems to be in control for their mind and body beyond pain
The sensation of being punched...or for that matter being born, living and dying, are all projections. We care about them, they affect us, we are those perturbations in some sense...but they are not the whole story.
I found this interview the most technical of any I have seen of Hoffman. I also think that more recent breakthroughs in the Math (or “Maths” if you are an Ausie like me) means he can go deeper with more conviction in interviews. I like how clear he is in stating what is mathematically proven and what is speculation. It frustrates me when scientists refuse or reluctantly speculate what they expect to find going forward in their research (effectively hypothesis formation). As he expects to always be wrong on some level even with mathematical proofs backing him he has developed no great fear of being wrong which is so refreshing. He really has his ego in check (obviously not gone but calmed). I’m so glad he survived his brush with death so he could continue his work and connecting with the rest of us through people like Lex.
I was a little surprised how much Lex struggled to look past physicalist reductionism. It seemed to make him quite anxious. To me I find the idea of consciousness as more fundamental than spacetime reassuring and makes our human process of death much less scary. We don’t just disappear. Our consciousness expands back into the one field of consciousness no longer restricted by the portal (our body “headset”) we are attached to in this life. We get to reconnect with all the consciousnesses we interacted with in life. No love is lost.
It appears that the many thousands of recorded near death experiences, on the whole, square with Hoffman’s theory. Consciousness persisting outside the body, no time, us all ultimately being one/connected. What should make Lex happy is that 90% of near death experiencers report an overwhelming sense of love when connecting with the fundamental consciousness field, what ever they chose to call it. Often it’s referred to as “the source” as sometimes people think the idea of god is too limited and tainted with limited preconceptions. But mostly people perceive the experience with the kind of qualities that are familiar and comforting to them but the timelessness, overwhelming love and oneness are pretty much universal.
I suspect for those who have a negative NDE, that they are so tightly wedded to physicalist reductionism or so overwhelmed by negative emotions like guilt and shame that they separate themselves from the oneness of consciousness and therefore don’t get to feel the overwhelming love. Of course this is all speculation on my part based on intuition, personal experience and observing the reports of others some of which may well be attention seeking fantasy but having watched so many recounts from a vast array of personality types I feel a strong confidence that most are genuine in their account. Coupled with Hoffman’s mathematically backed theories I am very confident that consciousness continues after death and it is an experience of all encompassing love.
Excellent take (and a long one too!). Who would have thought that a mind boggling theory which, when immersed into shatters intuition and experiences, leads to a highly satisfying end? So, cheers to that.
Aren’t emotions like guilt and shame appropriate since the ‘right now’ is the human being, being in the present moment?
if he had any more conviction he would be terrifying lol
@@juneack5848 I think there is some truth to what you say. I’m thinking more of all consuming emotion that doesn’t allow you to see the love and support that is available. If you step back and observe the emotion as the “I” that is the observer and see it objectively it would not be all consuming. From the accounts I heard they talked about things like letting go and accepting/asking for help/letting go of the trauma and fear/gaining acceptance and then the nightmarish experience transformed into the loving experience.
It seems like there’s a degree of creating our own experience, some see trees flowers and butterflies, some see stars and nebula some just see shining beings, some meet family or what they view as spirit guides, God, the source, Jesus, or other figure heads of their religions. Many talk about life reviews experienced from both their own and other peoples’ perspectives as well as being shown vast amounts of knowledge or feeling like they have access to all knowledge but all positive experiencers talk about timelessness, oneness and intense love.
I always know people can make things up but I give the benefit of the doubt and consider it as if it was real and part of a broader collection of reports as I think the phenomenon is too extensive for there to be no true signal there.
Great comment Yvonne. I concur.
It's amazing how collectively smart humanity is. Some of these problems feel like we should not even be capable of thinking about solving them
Look at the MAGA population and you still think the same?
I tend to think the exact opposite. How dumb humanity is
@@zoltanmeksz7625you had to ruin it 🤦♂️
Я, будучи еще ребенком, лет 8-10, постоянно задавался вопросом, откуда мы знаем, что мы все видим одно и тоже? Откуда это изображение берется у меня, ведь я получаю это из мозга, после глаз, теперь понимаю, что не зря я об этом думал. И, к сожалению, понимаю, что будучи еще ребенком, я задавался такими сложными вопросами. А сейчас, только и делаешь что работа, дом, дела, а думать о великом, о смысле, что ка пи почему, времени совсем мало у людей.
Коты видят и чувствуют по другому. Они и выживают по другому😅. Ты же не кот. И не кит! Кит тоже всё видит и чувствует по другому! Главное, чтобы адекватно! А иначе, капец!😅 И коту и киту и тебе!😅
@@Смотритель-й8у причем здесь, кот я или нет. Вы вообще ни капельки не уловили суть того, что я писал. Удачи!👍
@@nazurdava6997 уловил, однако. Но Вы боитесь диалога. Ибо не уверены в себе. И даже не попытались вникнуть в смысл моего комментария.
@@Смотритель-й8у да, Вы правы, я очень боюсь диалога! Счастливо!✌️
у вас кармическая связь знания прошлой жизни,ваша работа ,дом съест вашу нынешнюю жизнь и придется все начинать сначала в следующей))
I’m excited to see Donald Hoffmann as a guest. I have followed him for awhile and I can’t wait to watch this interview. Now, if he could get
Bernardo Kastrup for a sit down.
That would be so epic
Kastrup and Hoffman joint would be great
Found him through the Jonny Wilkinson I am podcast. Amazing episode.
do you love a sick thief ? it is stolen from comments on closer to truth youtube channel were written three years ago.
do you think that this sick irrational senile got it suddenly from the sky and he waked up from his long sleep that continued his entire life !
this sick irrational thief is not the first case.
the apes use thievery as patching techniques (that is the only thing the apes are good at, similar to any other apes "no minds, so the only thing the apes can do is stealing human thoughts and polluting it with their defective irrational logic")
I have warned the apes from the beginning: I write for future generations not for the apes, but the apes found a treasure, who steal then run away the first !
apes, who can blame apes !
@@dan2250 There is a video with Bernardo and Donald in an interview. You can probably find it
on Kastrup’s Essentia site.
They are actually friends.
"Life is not a problem to be solved, but a reality to be experienced"
“All is Maya, reality is not real.”
Until the others realize this they will continue chasing an answer for eternity
@@Jtruth1986trying to make sense of it all is not the worst way to enjoy life. If you prefer football and beer that's also fine.
Tell that to the curious mind..
@@grummler9088yeah I’d rather kill myself searching for answers than sedate myself with beer and sports small talk
,,Единственное ограничение -- это ваше воображение. Это и есть предел.,,
This is simply the most interesting stuff I have heard in my entire life. It actually takes my anxiety away.
Your anxiety is perception...
I don’t suffer with anxiety but listening to this confirms I’m exactly where I need to be even when I think I’m not.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 Sounds like that is your perception.
I have never understood people who talk about their "anxiety", it's even more strange when they frame it as some sort of diagnosis.
Anxiety is a part of life.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 that are based in a reality that doesn’t exist 🤔
I've heard a lot of his interviews but this one takes the cake. I couldn't stop listing to this interview. It's a work of art.
Indeed, so wonderfully , creatively captivating for the expanding mind!!
@@ronaldrenegade8519 I too was tempted to forego this modern metaphysical intellectualization, considering I also had the same conversations decades ago when in my twenties as well. but just for grins and giggles decided to hear it through and was pleasantly surprised by the depth and breadth. For what it's worth, from a Fellow Renegade, this conversation merits a listen in its entirety.
Just a pity he started randomly shilling for Crypto barely 30 minutes in
@@ronaldrenegade8519 , what you say is thought provoking and tough to deny
And if there is a one in trillion (or whatever) chance of our perception matching our reality and there are trillions upon trillions of planets in the vast universe, why can’t we be the one in trillionth? The one in trillionth wouldn’t know it is the one in trillionth. And the other trillion planets wouldn’t know we exist.
Lex, please have Don Hoffman on again.
+1
The big missing element to the probability of evolving to perceive something approaching reality is that it isn't merely a question of what adaptation favors survival, but also what adaptation is easiest achieved by the process of mutation and natural selection.
Even if the vast majority of cases simply favor fitness, the actual physical process of evolving sensors could favor sensors that perceive truth, irrespective of fitness.
This episode is an example why Lex’s podcast is the greatest in the world right now.
2:25:40
Exactly!!
True
Hip hip Hooray 🙌🎉
The feeling that I ride after each conversation is worth the time investment,
After Lex's opening statement, I immediately thought of the Joswph Campbell quote "The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight."
Beautiful
I agree that mysticism and religion in general belong with the psychotic. haha
the 'mystics' delight in watching these 'philosophers' endlessly chasing their own tails.
What I learned this podcast:
1. I am nothing
2, Chocolate is delicious
I know you're wrong, it's an obstruction... Although I can understand how we can actually taste the perception😂
If you’ve taken enough mushrooms this mans theory makes perfect sense and it’s almost cathartic to hear him talk about this.
Indeed. Makes me wonder if he’s tried them himself as a supplemental tool.
I’ve read or heard him talk about a meditation practice, which seems to sometimes lead to similar conclusions-that consciousness precedes matter, etc.
Also if you've meditated a lot.
I guess he wouldn't be the only one either.
WOW
So i'm not the only one? I came to the same conclusion as well. I had a similar theory about this, I'm so glad Lex brought him on.
Hoffman is basically Alan Watts with a calculator lol I love this
This was so empty and devoid of meaning.. the guy is full of smoke and mirrors, has no ideas at all - and is trying to make something sound exciting and smart, but infact has nothing to offer
It's amazing how aligned his theory is with Alan Watts, especially when he mentioned the big bang.
@@tubeyou6794 Nothing proved, just asserted with no evidence, too.
Hoffman gets these ideas from The Buddha. Western "scientists and philosophers" never give credit to Eastern thought from 2500 years ago. This is why Alan Watts is amazing!
@@tubeyou6794 don’t you got a marvel movie to enjoy or something
As a Hindu Vedantic i am so so heartened by Hoffman's BRILLIANT and PROFOUND talk with Lex.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Most Westerners have no clue what he is talking about. I understand why they call the West = Darkness now.
Adwait vedanta or Ashtavakra gita is in contradiction to normal veds and Upanishads. Sanatan hinduism has nothing to do with this thought of one ness . In fact it is the opposite
“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.” -H.P. Lovecraft
Donald Hoffman is filling in the gaps I had about the meaning of this world with science. That's a powerful tool, but mind-blowing when combined with his intuition. He is a treasure and he sounds as if he was talking from the future.
You might like "My big T.O.E" by Thomas Campbell. He basically goes into the same thing. This reality isnt "real" more like a simulation.
No, he's talking from between his cheeks.
th-cam.com/video/l1VLRHV2HqA/w-d-xo.html
We definitely knew it
Lex, the questions that you ask so many different types of people in so many different fields is nothing short of brilliant. Your show is always mind opening. Thanks for all of the work that you do to make this happen. Peace, Jim
We are living the reality in this physical body, whereas freedom is to escape the cults on this prison planet 🌎
@@ronaldrenegade8519 I mean look at the subject matter. At that level of "science", there are no solid theories.
"Questioning the fabric of reality can lead you to either madness or truth."
-Lex Fridman
Maybe both !
Badass
mix in mind altering drugs and it’s kinda crazy how this is really true. our convictions altered by the variable charges in our bran. we truly are à manifestation of our data structure
And you won't know which is which 😅
Как будто обновляется информационно всё во Вселенной.Если представить себе,что весь этот "шум" стихнет сможет ли человек,природа,планеты двигаться дальше в развитии или наступит паника и смерть?Далай Ламам вменяют диеты,очистку мозга,всего организма и так Лама обнаруживает нечто,с чем столкнётся именно его народ,который он любит.Очистка,чистое чувство даёт понимание,а не неркотики
It would be interesting to have Hoffman, Kastrub and Tom Campbell all together in one episode.
Togetherness is an illusion.
And SadhGuru
My Father was born in 1926, My Mother was born in 1929.
My Father joined the Military in WWII He had to lie about it to be able to serve at 17 years old. My Mother remembered having the whole (Atlantic City, New Jersey), turn off all lights so the “Enemy”, not to be able to identify the coastline.
Welcome to reality
The same people who say reality is an illusion are the ones who make something out of nothing at all. People today have acres of buildings demonstrating not the glory of god, but the degree of delusion in the population. Most of the prisons in America are filled with people needing mental health service, but the rest of us support too big to fail & endless wars. Who can keep sanity intact? People are the same today. People build the same institutions as when they nailed the fiction known as Jesus. The fiction is quoted as saying render to Caesar. Look at the population density ratio of churches in Goldendale, WA.
What?
We evolved to sense whats important for living? I knew this in grade school nothing amazing here. You get used to bad smells or temperature, whatever, that doesnt mean they’re gone. We do this in real time every day, not just through evolution.
I've been a following Dr Hoffman for a few years now. I'm glad he's getting his message out there
I had a dream once that nuclear war broke out while I was enjoying a day at the park with my friends. It was very cinematic: we saw that impossibly bright light expand out of nothing, and had a long enough fraction of a second to realize that we had died that fraction of a second ago. All of reality came loose in that instant, dissolved into particles, and washed down something like a river of energetic wind, into... Something like a small, dark, blank room, but without walls or describable physical features: it was like the FEELING of being in a room, but there was no room... As the particles entered the "room" they elongated into an infinitude of tiny "worms" or living squiggly strings of all different colours of black--by which I mean... Uh... Like that phenomenon when you squeeze your eyes shut really hard or you're in the dark, and clouds of colour drift across your (lack of) field of vision... Anyway, then the black rainbow of squiggly worms divided itself into six streams that coalesced into separate worm-blob entities, which were me and my friends, "awakening" from an interactive "game" experience, with the general sentiment of "Holy shit! That was intense!" ....and for some reason, this episode reminds me of that dream.
Interesting. Thank you for sharing.
@@serijas737 😂😂
Sounds like a dope dream
Were you sober at the time?
@@unpersonableme1805 Yes. And asleep, even.
Hey homie...If your Porsche only exists when you look at it... then go ahead and leave the key in it.
🤣Where did he say he works?
I think, he, shortly thereafter, said, "...look for the key inside." But then again...I guess the key wouldn't be there once he's not looking at.
Dibs!
Because if you did that someone would look at it making it real again ..
LMAO!! Exactly!
When we can look into one another's eyes without words exchanged & understand the full life experience of the person we are looking at....then we will have finally evolved our consciousness.
What a treasure Hoffman is, working bravely on the cutting edge of knowledge in our time. Best wishes to his team developing models that might achieve similar conclusions to the foundations of eastern mysticism through the application of the scientific /mathematical method. Will be following his path keenly. Thanks Lex for the introductions !
So are you!
Its been known well well well before hoffman put a dialectal verb on it , hes just putting fancy labels on ancient truths
Scientifically sounding gobbledygook -- and that's a kind way of describing it.
The opening idea of saying "reality is an illusion" makes me bristle with antagonism. I can't stand people who do that kind of navel-gazing mind-fu**ery. That dude needs to have a bad acid trip to straighten him out.
What is purely dangerous is that this clown writes tons of papers on endless theories; nothing more than guesswork that borders on a child's fantasy curley cue network; how does the formless copulate with a solid door;? give him about 6 belts of Jack Daniel's then ask again and see where his deviations leed. The cutting edge of think tank horse shit. If this was an interview for a job; I would tell him; imagine a solid door of chocolate behind you. Open the Hershey highway handle. Who pays these people?
This episode changed my life a bit. Thanks Lex and Hoffman. Never stop.
Me too
Next up try ImmaterialAI, it helps you see depression/stress/sad/etc are just "cool story bro"s
Same here, it will inform my decisions and relationships with a worldview that is consistent with observed reality yet more reassuring than nihilism. Being as a projection of consciousness and discovering I am not the projection.
Welcome down the rabbit hole! It's fun down here- It's infinity deep, and the more you discover the more you learn, the more you realize there's no way to ever have a real freaking clue. But it's sure fun to try to understand
same bro especially that last sentence.
PHEW!
This 3hr video took me 8 days and maybe 12hrs.. I rewound. I went away and learnt. I tried to wrap my 'mind' around the concept that I astropreject my reality throught a lense of fractal geometry to refine/define 'our' ethereal consciousness.
I intuitively knew chunks of this podcast as if it was a horoscope. I've walked around this mind of mine with many different shoes on, each showing me the endless nature of 'in' and the incomprehensible vastness of 'out'.
I've followed your work for years, I have genuine respect for your pursuit of knowledge or abject truth.
If you do read this Lex, please know that your work is important to me, and now vicariously through you.
Thank you.
man are you desperate for attention or what... pathetic
i dont get this what does this mean. is he saying me typing this comment isn't real?
@@kaimartinez6335 It's real, you just experience a "simplified" version of the true, objective reality.
Our subjectively perceived, "simplified" version of reality is therefore not "real", because it is not what's happening "under the hood" in the objective reality, only a sort of low quality projection of it.
This conclusion is drawn from the fact that we according to the theory of evolution only need to know the parts of the objective reality that we need to reproduce.
The claim is that these important parts will always be a subset of all the parts of the objective reality, never the whole thing, and it is therefore zero percent chance that what we perceive is the objective reality.
Anyways, that's how I understood it.
@@kaimartinez6335 Listen to it again a month from now, and you will understand more . . . Because your brain will have changed. "Every experience changes the brain" (Doidge, 2007).
@@firecatflameking 🥴🤪 👍.
Just admit it....God exists. HE's
laughing HIS self off of HIS Throne
at these guys . 💫✝️👽✝️✨✨
I'm going to be a broken record and repeat, either there is such a thing as objective reality or all of our subjective realities coincide to give the impression of the same table, same Lex, same dr. Hoffman. Whichever way you look at it, you cannot math your way out of a common reality.
10/10 and I love that there is no ads on this. I wish everyone wanted to listen and learn
I have a lot of respect for this man. He is amazing to hear talk. I'm just a simpleton but he is able to make me understand his concepts (even if I struggle). Also I appreciate how humble he is.
The fact that you understand at all or even care shows you are intelligent. You are not a simpleton, my friend.😊
Tom Bilyeu's interview with Hoffman is MUCH better. Lex is a sweet guy but his questions are dopey; obvious that Lex didn't do his homework.
Calling this guy humble is hilarious
You MUST speak with Tom Campbell, a man with a theory very similar to Hoffman's but with more explanatory power IMO. His theory is titled with a tongue-in-cheek name: "My Big TOE." He is currently in the process of conducting some quantum mechanics experiments a la the Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser experiment. I think you'd have a great conversation with him and he gives interviews regularly. Make it happen PLEASE!
what do you think apes?! this sick irrational senile got a revelation from the sky or COVID-19 effect ! this ape is not the first case, they use thievery as patching techniques.
Agreed
Totally agree in this statement!
Yes, very interesting man. I am now on Astral Academy class with Jade Shaw (learning of astral projection = out of body experiences) and Tom presented us last week. It was really interesting and fascinating. Basically, you can think of your body as an avatar and this reality as we know it as a channel (data stream) and with OBE, you are shifting to another data stream, usually to the astral realm in which totally different laws applies (the astral is directly thought responsive environment). From the astral you can move anywhere you like with a speed of thought, similarly as a spectator after you 'die' in a multiplayer game.
@@greenpumpkin172 Great, i have one important ambition in my life left, and that is to travel to this place that you mention.
Where is the location?
Всегда найдутся люди, которые поставят целью своей жизни "вглядываться в неизвестность"...
“Reality always outruns apprehension.” - Terence McKenna
McKenna was a rockstar
Tom Campbell also said that the simulation cannot be explained with the tools/knowledge inside the video game/matrix, for that one will need to step outside of it.
Haven’t listened to McKenna in a while. Y’know what your comment made me think of? Remember the timewave zero hypothesis? Years later, nearing his death (and also nearing 2012) Terence eventually renounced this idea.
However… since December of 2012 it really does seem like we are living in a hyper-novel reality. In the last couple years with COVID and the lead up to this fall’s elections, I’d say yes… we are building toward an asymptotic novelty curve. Which is exactly what the timewave predicted.
I think he had it backwards
He doesn’t have a hard time expressing his thoughts , he just has a hard time trying not to say ALL of it at the same time .
Yes, Hoffman has gone a long way down the road, and is trying to patiently explain to us plodders his true thoughts. And in doing this has to, as a scientist ,keep it within its conservative realms of experimentation and reasoning.
My brain works the same way.
I am self conscious about it.
@@greenflame8398 Same. on the outside it seems like confusion or communication issues when I am simply trying to stop five different pathways of thoughts coming through at same time... I have to hold back the multiple streams of thoughts and attempt to find the communication best for the subject in front of me. I am steady changing how I communicate based on their development
@@amnrasellassie Same for me, word by word.
@@amnrasellassie I can relate to that. Asking myself what I want to communicate helps a lot. Natural language is not designed to compress multiple input streams into one output stream. At least not at once.
The arguments he makes that we are using our consciousness to create the world is precisely the conclusion I reached after experiencing a DMT trip at the age of 72. I am a retired biomedical scientist and tried to interpret what I experience as an observant biologist rather than just going for a ride. My sense of what happened visually is that I have a capability of creating a visual representation of my consciousness that, when disentangled from sensory inputs paints pictures conjured up by subconscious elements of my self (probably not the right term) that are rendered onto my visual field in as fine a detail as I normally render the world that is presented to me by my sensory inputs (light striking my biological sensors and then being interpreted by my brain) or being "painted" before me. Afterwards I discussed with my guide the sense that I was using a "pallet" to paint the so-called hallucinations and under normal sensory control I use to "paint" the surroundings that I perceive. I said that when I look at you I am creating a picture of you, that when I turn my head I wipe out that painting and replace it with whatever else comes into my visual field. So in a visual sense we are clearly creating the world as we look at it and rendering it in some representative fashion. But somehow, on DMT the "pallet" suspends painting the outcome of the usual sensory inputs but instead paints pictures from another source, which I interpret as being what Jung would call the unconscious. The fact that I experienced a phenomenal degree of trailing as I came out of the experience made me feel that the mechanism was more like motion pictures than painting because a trailing image is like a series of still pictures that normal blend when presented rapidly but that they were slowed down to reveal a series of still images during the transition period from the trip back to normal reality.
Well said, Sir, very interesting pov. What I took from my dmt trip was that that realm is our original home. The entities were like family that knew and cared for me.
@brettvoight5629jajajajajaja almost what I thought
I like you :)
God. The answer is God.
God gives us no understanding just that it is. Science is about unfolding the mysteries of God
Great explanation of the relationship between the source energy and realitivistic universe. How consciousness without form is in essence "god" and that we are the universe experiencing itself
You Got it!
@@katrinabergmanmccolloch5948 Thank you 🙏
Individuated units of Consciousness experiencing itself in this form in this environment.
You are cold. You'd be alot warmer if you'd learn the truth about: #1. Why they lied about going to the moon(because we can't), #2. What we learned from HRC's emails(Big clues that satanism has been rampant for centuries including weekly child sacrifice/murder), #3. MD medicine is a Rockefeller monopoly(for profit only). Real medicine is found in nature( vaccine cause diseases). Clear out all the junk science and false beliefs... you'll be closer to being HOT and the real simple truth.
in the end we have to go the full circle... back to what is right now, deleting all the depressions in ourselves, which is the most hardest.
Two important notes:
- I've always loved the way scientists keep pushing in this direction, it's very brave to look into the darkness and try to make sense of it;
- The interface is limited by evolutionary purposes, but can be "liberated" so you can "see". It is dormant but you can "activate" it and once you can do that, there is a lot of "interfaces" that you can interact with. It is more complex but also much easier to take in because the conceptual mind is no longer interfering with the process. Hard to put into words and maps, but I've had that experience with meditative practices and many report the same experience. So in my perspective, the interface has many lenses that are dormant and we are kind of "stuck" in this "gross" lens by force of habit, but you can unlock them with certain practices.
So imagine we have 100 lenses but we are only using five by default of evolution. The evolution is already written (100 lenses) but we only evolved these 5. We are like the ultimate surfers of reality, we have the potential of experiencing through many different perspectives that we have yet to unlock.
I was meditating yesterday, and I had an experience that is inexplicable, out of body, and when I pushed myself back into reality I laid there and it felt like my entire being was vibrating. It sounds crazy, but I no longer believe anything is as simplistic as we believe, there's more to what "is" than what we consider reality
How are we the ultimate surfers of reality if we have yet to evolve a way to discern the way to cycle through the supposed 100 lenses for optimal gripping...and with that we can hypothesize that a being that can won't be human but will have evolved from us...???
I just wish Hoffman and those like him would realise they’re now saying the same thing ancient people were saying for thousands of years like in Hinduism, Buddhism, Zen Buddhism. Etc. They could learn a lot if they realized they figured this out a long time ago without modern science, or modern experiments, or modern analogies. And they could learn what important questions to ask if they looked at their philosophy/perspective and tried to put it in their language. Asking the question about the nature of how we see our selves, the “self”, has huge ramifications.
@@Edbrad Did you actually watch the entire conversation? He literally said the same thing, the only problem is that you can't just apply the scientific methodology to all mumbo-jumbo you hear in any theistic (or not) mystical practices. It's easy to say "The world is an illusion", yet it's another thing to build a working theory around it.
I love this section from Call of Cthulhu. Lex speaking of being driven into madness by questioning the fabric of reality made me think of it.
"The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”
science is and always will be flawed ,with 4 senses, to understand the space time conclusions you must be on both sides at the same time, there will never be an answer to the M theory- therefor the perception will always be inverted / such as negative and positive existing at the very moment recognized.The theory of everything ,can only be mathematically solved ,only by existing in all dimensions simultaneously -both on the negative sides and positives . witch therefore is no spacetime
Thats as good a rationalization of compartmentalization as Ive heard. Are you a politician?
just go to the beach
>the peace and safety of a new dark age.”
In which man evades the risk of knowledge for mindless obedience of emotions.
Interesting that you bring this up.
I have never understood "cosmic horror".
I enjoy it as a storytelling motif, it usually deals with interesting ideas. You could say I enjoy that it handles 'cosmic' ideas.
But I have never felt even an inkling of 'horror' about it.
Итак, я снова спрашиваю: кто просыпается, когда ты просыпаешься?
Просыпается «я».
Точно, просыпается «я». Когда просыпается «я», вместе с ним пробуждается прошлое, настоящее и будущее. Это значит, что появляется время и пространство. А вместе с временем и пространством появляются солнце, луна, звезды, горы, реки, леса, люди, звери и птицы. Когда «я» входит в состояние бодрствования, туда входит и все остальное. Пока «я» находилось в состоянии глубокого сна, был полный покой. Если ты не будешь трогать просыпающееся «я», счастье глубокого сна не оставит тебя и во время бодрствования. Сделай это хотя бы на полсекунды, на четверть! Не прикасайся к «я». Это «я» - такая штука, без которой можно запросто обойтись. Не касайся «я» и скажи (если не спишь), что с тобой.
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"I'm having an existential crisis and I'm gonna die soon and we all die pretty quickly so hey I wanna figure out why chocolate is so delicious"
Lex Friedman
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YAY !!!!!!!
Donald: our reality has nothing to do with real reality
Lex: well, how can we reach real reality
Donald: there is no way to do it
Lex: well, can this knowledge be useful?
Donald: no it cant, just be aware of it
Lex: ok
Indeed. Donald is just talking BS and it is not even original or smart in any way. But for some reason, many people seem to be impressed by this. Sad.
@@urfinjuice1437 I was worried I would be the only one in the comments to think this way. Thank you for your comment.
Reality is not an illusion, your reality may be but reality is reality. How we perceive the world is not an illusion. It’s an accurate measurement of actual reality and you’re there in the middle of it..
I had this feeling as well.. when he mentions that an object is made of cells and has functions and purpose but if you look away it ceases to exist just doesn't seem like an intelligent conclusion to me
Ecclesiastes 1:13
I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens. It is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
It all works out in the end.
Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory.
Really great interview with Lex and Don. The parallels with Indian spiritual traditions are very strong. Advaita Vedanta and Yogacara Buddhism schools immediately come to mind. Lex, please keep finding and interviewing incredible guests like Dr. Hoffman. Thank you
Definitely. His plan to take consciousness as fundamental instead of derived from physical reality is the foundation of buddhism.
Lex should bring on Advaita Vedanta/non duality teachers like Swami Sarvapriyananda & Rupert Spira on the podcast.
No. He really shouldn't.
@@NorthGermanic why not
yes, only missing part & always missing in 'science' & experimentation is 'spirituality'
God is love, and love is us. He lives on all of us. He's the consciousness. No, life is not as boring as you described but you have your rights and freedom to expose your thoughts. I hope you have a great life and be happy or at least content.
You see the world not as it is but as you are. Observers are not passive recipients of reality but active participants who "construct" reality through their perceptions. So consciousness plays a key role in the manifestation of phenomena. The observer is the osberver and without this realization there is fragmentation. Perception is shaped by the mind's filters: beliefs, fears, desires, and to truly see the observer must dissolve ;) When the observer is here we see only what is useful not what is true. Reality is a network of conscious agents rather that physical objets. What we call physical objects are projections of conscious interactions. Reality at its core is a web of conscious experiences.
The world we perceive is not the ultimate truth but a construct, shaped either by thought or by evolutionary survival mechanisms. Perception has limitations and consicouness is central to all that topic.
I love Donald and his work, he's a very nice and warm personality. About his work, is mind-blowing but more in line with 3000+ years of knowledge and wisdom
Not to mention a clear speaker. And you can sorta tell there’s a definite wild man in the “space walking astronaut” sense under that bow-tie academic demeanor! 😂 I love him. So much! 🥰
More like 3000+ years worth of old sage burning nonsense.
Yeah, countless people have thought and said it before. It's not productive, really, but very useful for some folks...
He can't be that brilliant if he says "spacetime doesn't exist". Perhaps he misspoke. The concept of spacetime is a tool, a theory for us to explore our universe. Obviously it may not be fundamental. Listening to this guy, honestly, he sounds like many bullshit artists. No offense if youre a fan, but he can't even seem to form coherent statements. Sometimes that us confused for extreme intelligence. But if you can't explain a concept to a layperson, you don't understand it.
And he won't shutup about symmetries. And in 15 minutes in and he is still just repeating himself over and over, and hasnt actually said anything except "symmetries, spacetime is doomed" and lots of word salad. And when I say word salad, I mean it in its definition, not referring to terms I don't recognize (that's how some used the term).
He also just keeps saying "millions of terms have been simplified to one", but explains absolutely nothing about what he's actually talking about well, attempting to talk about.
I listen to many podcasts. And I've read and learned about physics and cosmology for 20 years. This guy isn't saying much of anything. He keeps vaguely referring to "what's bey0nd spacetime". He doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.
Everyone knows QM and relativity don't seem to be compatible. He's really just babbling in this interview.
If he is brilliant, he should not do interviews..
@@spiralsun1 um....clear speaker? Lol this man's interview responses are the worst, most incoherent, poorly structured, word salad I have EVER heard from anyone on any scientific topic, especially cosmology or quantum theory. He explained next to nothing, and for 30 minutes he went on almost sounding like Donald trump- never finishing a thought, never actually stating a complete idea or point, constantly just spewing word salad
i wish there had been an internet and these type sources of info when i was in my 20s and really getting a strong sense of and almost glimpses into what this man is talking about. All I had were books though, and poems, I found in many poems reflections of what I had glimpsed, especially I found it in the poetry of Robert Frost.
@John Rider there are too many paradoxes and things that are inconceivable like infinity plus there is the problem of hard determinism...all of which make it inevitable that some people will always wonder what''s really going on.
All you had were books. One day you will be so thankful for books.
@@moirahill6397 i still have books, lots more than before because i can easily find anything i want, push some buttons and like magic it arrives at my door. There is no comparison or competition between the internet and books, two incredibly different things and it's not an opinion, it's just simple fact, that the internet is one of the greatest human inventions, up there with the wheel.
duh its in every religion and philosophy
@@koffing2073 what is?
Если отделять иллюзию от реальности - то где находится иллюзия относительно реальности? Получается реальность не тотальная - а некий фрагмент чего-то большего. И появляется двойственность: реальность-нереальность (иллюзия, сон).
I'm only just beginning to see how incredible this man is.
well keep going cause your right-- and just a really cool and fun guy as well.
Transportation: extremely late bus
passengers: probably always you
He's just a really smart nihilist. All he is saying is "we don't know" in several elaborate ways. This was boring and answered nothing.
@@Unmaleable Are you really sure you understand things well enough to know that?
@@Unmaleable It's called solipsism. It's pathetic.