@@ponygt6629 "However we fans still are on lookout for Lightning Laps more than anything else!!" Got to disagree! To me that's the least useful thing they do. C/D is valuable to me because they have the best combination of writing, journalism, and real-enthusiast (not just go-fast) perspective available. I mean, who else goes to the trouble to test cars on the types of bumpy, twisty roads real people drive every day? Anybody with some cash can rent a racetrack.
The charging test should really go from 10 - 80%. A lot of cars drop off charge rate fast after 80% to protect the battery, but not all. So you're putting cars like the MME at a disadvantage, and killing its average charge rate. As an EV owner (Bolt EV and Mach-E 4X) who has gone on several road trips (including Cleveland to Orlando), I don't really charge past 80% often. Even on the cars that it doesn't drop off AS hard as my Mach-E, it's still slower as you near a full charge, so it's often not worth sitting there to wait, and is faster to just stop a LITTLE sooner. Also, if your Mach-E didn't have the charging update, it's EXTRA slow past 80%. After the charging update, that improved significantly. This isn't meant as a complaint, just some feedback to consider in your ratings/considerations.
Happy that all these options exist. I still think the Maverick hybrid is the biggest game changer due to the value proposition for most. Tough to make up 20k- 50kin purchase price in gas savings when you include the time value of money.
But it’ll only last 4 years before its completely worn out. I highly doubt the build quality is as good as people think it is. Like the old ford ranger. Buy a new one every few years.
@@fuze3522 electric motors have nearly zero friction and very few moving parts. The only variable in the battery. EV warranties are usually double that of ICE. 👍
@@mt2nv1 im talking about the maverick hybrid lol. The Ioniq 5 will probably last 10 years or more. (I hope or ill be surely disappointed) plus the mavericks are cheap fleet work trucks that get driven hard daily. Im sure they’ll be replacing them for newer ones in 5 years.
I appreciate all of the work put into this video. Clearly this segment is in its infancy as there is a lot of work to be done. The idea of towing with an electric vehicle is not lose to being a reality. On the other hand the instant acceleration of electric vehicles is really fun why they last. Finally I need to become the ceo of an electric car manufacturer because some made more than the ceo of GM while only selling a few vehicles.
My only issue was DC fast charging to 90%, as it's not comparable to the charging habits of EV drivers. It's widely promoted in the EV community to only charge up to 80% on road trips. Most EV makers have already started prioritizing charging speeds up to 80 percent. For example the DC fast charging speed of the Mach e use to wind downto below 20kWh after 80% state of charge.
Yes, time to recharge the battery to 80% or 90% is particularly irrelevant. If you buy a car with a smaller battery, it will "fill up" faster! But another EV that adds the same or more miles of range in less time *is better*, regardless of how long it takes to fill up all the way.
I will use my Cadillac Lyriq AWD as a daily driver. I drive LESS than 40 miles a day and I can charge at home - overnight between 6pm and 6am. I NEVER DO ROAD TRIPS- but I have gas cars if I ever needed to.
We need more mass produced EV’s. I’m tired of Luxury automakers building EV’s and slapping them with 100k + price tags. Affordable EV’s need to become the new norm, not something for the 1% to glorify and act as though they’re ‘eco-friendly.’
That would be nice, but why would manufacturers make cheaper EVs when there's a waiting list for every decent EV? Obviously they'd rather put scarce batteries in $45,000+ crossovers and $70,000 sedans instead of $35,000 EVs. So Cadillacs and Hummers, the Ariya over the aging Leaf, fancier Hyundai and Kias over the Kona Electric, ID.4 and bigger over the ID.3, etc. GM offers reasonably priced EVs, we'll see how many standard-trim Bolts, Bolt EUVs, and Equinoxes it makes. An EV recharged on today's grid is better for the environment than burning through many more tons of fossil fuel in a gasser. Since the majority of new generation is wind and solar, it will only get cleaner.
I'm here just to read the Tesla fan's comments about how Car and Driver must be biased for not saying Tesla is the greatest car company to have ever existed.
@@harsh07g Pretty sure I’m not responsible for other people acting like idiots. Tesla’s are fine. But the full self driving is a scam and the build quality is still subpar. If you like them, great. Good for you. But anytime a journalist criticizes the car in anyway, or says something positive about a rival, the cult loses their minds. I’m not sure if it’s entertaining or disturbing
@@craiganderson8569 dude the tone u talk with makes neutral ppl fire back cus u make every fan sound like a bad guy. All I'm asking u to do is not talk like u're looking down at ppl and make suggestions instead of outright allegations. U're just goin around trying to provoke normal ppl and then starting a fight and trynna make it all look like their fault.
@@harsh07g Go look at any EV review and see how the Tesla cult reacts to any legit criticism or any positive reviews of other EV's. It is common knowledge in the automotive world that the online Tesla community is toxic. All I was saying is I was looking forward to reading the nonsense. I am not provoking anybody.
While other manufacturers introduce EV models they'll make ~30,000 of, Tesla in 2022 is focused on making MILLIONS of Model 3s and Model Ys to meet demand.
Lmao. My thoughts exactly. Testing the newest he says. The Model S is 10 years old. I get the Plaid is a new version, but it ain't new. Unlike the Model Y. But I get why they didn't want the Model Y included in the test. I would also be really interested, for full disclosure of course, to know what amount of sponsorship Car and Driver receives from any or all of the automakers represented in this test. Hopefully the answer is none, otherwise the referee is not as independent as they make out to be.
Called pay to play journalism. Tesla no pay get no play. 😁 But after watching this many millions of people will Google tesla as has been proven after the super bowl ad's mentioning evs but not teslas. The week after interest in teslas sky rocketed and not the brands actually paying for the ad's. 👍🏻
6:52 Thank you for the 'reinvention' section, this stuff needs to be shouted from the rooftops. So many manufacturers are making EV control interfaces needlessly complex or fiddly, for no good reason. People prefer familiar and intuitive controls. Absurd door handles are a bugbear of mine, but stampeding down the Tesla rat hole of 'everything must be in the screen' is a ridiculous path to take. Reverting to analog controls, i.e. big chunky knobs for heating and ventilation, conventional gear selectors, and analog gauges, will improve EV usability and take-up rates enormously.
Completely agree. My wife just switched to a car that has touchscreen / capacitive-button controls for the temp and fan speed, and it’s a big step backward from physical buttons and dials. A touchscreen is fine for some things (e.g., some setting you’ll hardly ever change) but, for others, a low-tech solution is best! 👍🏼
My recommendation to people who ask is that if you don't have the wherewithal to level 2 charge at home you might want to wait for the public charging networks to improve. I personally would not own an EV if I had to rely on public charging. Still too hit or miss in many places, and so costly as to greatly diminish the operating cost advantages of owning an EV.
Yep, Tesla is the only reliable network currently (and far easier than others to use - plug in and charge). Hopefully other netwoks will improve, but they are not at all dependable today for trips.
@@tesla_tap From what I've heard, Tesla is reliable, but the other networks have improved greatly in my area just in the year+ I've owned an EV. Here in the northeast there are several very good networks, and generally speaking charging isn't really an issue. Ford's plug and charge capability works reliably with EA, and other networks are coming onboard, and a great number of networks can be activated through Ford Sync. But again, public charging costs ~2x home charging if not more, which greatly reduces one of the advantages of EV operation in comparison to ICE.
GM, Ford, Rivian and Volvo will be able to natively use the Tesla superchargers in the next couple of years after providing the adapters for current EV models. I wonder if that’ll help sales and if Ford / GM would also invest in Tesla superchargers aside from paying a licensing fee for supercharging. Rivian definitely benefits since they won’t have to spend a lot of money on providing charging infrastructure aside from few areas where Tesla is not available.
I think it's going to be awhile before we we see many people buying ev's and towing something heavy or going cross country on vacation in them. But, for most people, in everyday driving needs, we're there already. If you can drive everyday to work and home for a week before charging, that's cool. My two concern's now are, how long batteries last, and how long all the electric options last. We're getting there.
There has to be a change to the mindset when it comes to the use of personal transportation. There are some points where a BEV will never catch up to an ICE vehicle, like range. But I don't think that the ability to drive for 12 hours without stopping is something that really adds much to a trip. Rather than peeing into a bottle, stopping every 3 or 4 hours to recharge the car and have a coffee doesn't seem like such a deal breaker, at least considering the needs of 90% of the population (Actual needs, not perceived)
You are right that charging can vary. After the new software update to the Taycan and with a proper working EA charging station, I went from 20% to 70% charge in 12 minutes, adding about 200 miles of range. I also, in warm weather, tend to get closer to 280 miles of range in the Taycan 4S.
11:00 Loss in range while towing is 170, 150, and 130 miles for the Rivian R1T, Hummer EV, and Ford F-150 Lightning in respective order. When it comes to towing at highway speeds, the Ford is the most efficient
I am very happy with the Tesla Model 3 Long Range I got earlier this year. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned for road trips and daily use. If you are a motoring purist, make sure you keep your favorite drivers car. (I still have my Mustang GT for when I want shift gears and hear an engine roar)
@@briannedry5346 I think I would like to have and aptera and a 1st gen 4 door tacoma. That covers all my bases. passengers, heavy loads, off road, etc? tacoma. everything else? aptera. the taco will hold it's value like a champ and last forever and is reasonably safe being a little taller and having reasonably high mass.
@@bob15479 yeah the aptera looks interesting, I just don't know how well it can navigate the highways or snow/ severe weather but it's your choice, do what make sense for you. 😊
What you didn't mention here and is never mentioned in the automotive press is drivability. With a greying population, this is a concern. As a disabled veteran with a spinal injury, I am unable to drive cars with heavy steering. I settled on a Bolt EUV because of its light steering and Super Cruise. Cars like the Volvos and Polestar were good on city streets but I'm the highway the steering weighted up too much. Tesla's were a non-starter in the parking lot as were VW and Hyundai Ionic 5 because even there the steering was too heavy. And in reality, all this heavy steering is out there because you all in the automotive press reward sporty driving over pragmatic driving, despite the fact that the vast majority of car use is pragmatic. You all really need to re-think your evaluation criteria for cars that are not toys!
I was a bit let down by the Kia EV6 GT. Despite the power gains, it actually doesn't receive a bigger battery or anything to otherwise lengthen the duration you can spend between charging. Infact it takes a massive range hit, going from EPA est. 274 miles for the e-AWD GT-line and Wind trims, down to 206 miles. The largest culprits I imagine, being the larger wheels and tires geared toward performance over convenience. It also does this while losing you features. Such as power adjusting front seats (thus also losing memory seat function)
Good test. We are still in the infant stage of EVs and will only get much better as the technology continues to advance to really make the majority of gas cars extinct.
@@Breal1969 go back to 1950. "We don't have the infrastructure for every home to have air conditioning." Most EV owners will mostly recharge when electricity is cheap, because there's lots available. If electric utilities can't make money selling more of their product to meet a variable demand, one that's a perfect fit for intermittent wind and solar that is the majority of new generation because it's quick and cheap, then that is a complete failure of their management and regulators. We have to electrify as much as possible to reduce the multiple worsening harms resulting from global warming caused primarily by burning fossil fuels, so there will be a lot more electricity in the future. Big investments come with big rewards. Land transportation is one of the easier areas to decarbonize, there's also home heating, agriculture, industrial processes, shipping, air travel, ...
@@skierpage That’s a nice theory only one fatal flaw. We still do not have the infrastructure for a home to have AC. Most homes have subpar or inadequate electrical management due to how sparse electricity actually is. And given how stretched the grid is, we are operating on an extremely low output level from would actually be needed. No amount of management nor restructuring will alleviate this. For if it could, there would be at least one area of self perpetuating energy that is able to account for a extreme of living space. Also to garner such electrical output would still require gas, wind is and always will be to inefficient because of its unpredictable nature.
In Sweden there are those who tow a caravan with a Tesla model Y. NOTE: In Sweden, it is common to tow a caravan, a regular station wagon or sedan that is petrol or diesel powered. An average caravan in Sweden weighs 1600 kg. Pickups are not a common sight on Swedish roads. Then you might wonder what they do when they have to move, yes they might rent a trailer if they haven't bought their own. At Swedish petrol stations you can also rent a smaller van
It's pretty incredible that Hyundai and it's sub brands are the first to put out real mass market EV's that people can afford and actually want, when 20 years ago they were a bit of a joke and terrible built vehicles. Even 10 years ago they still lagged behind most automakers. And now they have the most compelling EV options on the market and beat all the Japanese and US automakers in making sensible EV's.
The Bolt EUV is another good EV for a lot less money than the new Hyundai/Kia/Genesis trio. The Kona Electric in this test but barely mentioned has a nicer interior than the bolt EUV, but won't get the new IRA tax credit. I hope cheaper EVs get the rapid charging of the newer more expensive ones, see the chart at 5:27.
The costs to fast charge and the discrepancy between advertised range and real world range are concerning, and definite barriers to entry for many. If your use case is simply to go to and from work and add in some local trips, you should be fine as long as you have a home charger. For those living without access to a home charger (apartment complexes, those that park on streets, etc.) or those who regularly take long road trips or use their vehicle for towing and hauling, it's going to be a while before they're ready to take the plunge--no matter how quickly the government tries to push the issue.
Your right... but new tech tends to go in the more expensive vehicles first to push up the profitability...in some extreme cases its beta testing in the really expensive vehicles and then the tech gets improved or imitated at a cheaper price and implemented into the less expensive cars. Its like what Mercedes would do with their the S sedans and then slowly move the tech it into the less expensive lines over time.
My boyfriend has a model 3 in south Florida. It never ever gets it’s estimated range. I never have to worry about it in my Mazdas 3. I have a estimated idea of my range with each new tank.
Where was Car and Driver when I was in the market for my horseless carriage. EV vehicle are so new that we must be excited for the evolution of them. It's the future of transportation just as the automobile was at the begining of the twentieth century. Motorsports fans don't fret, the automobile only made equine sports even bigger and more popular.
As someone who has lived with only EVs for a number of years now and lives in the midwest, I can tell you that range and charging infrastructure are still the top considerations here when buying an EV. There are non-Tesla networks along highways in the midwest finally, but the Tesla supercharger network is still much better overall. At the same time, it looks like the long range Model S (not in the this specific test but mentioned from prior test) is still pretty much king in range; the Lucid Air range is in a league of it's own but then so is the Lucid Air price. What I would really love to see is an EV that focuses almost entirely on range and charging but in an modest non-weird normal-looking package. For a 2nd vehicle, I wouldn't need the range, and the F-150 Lightning would be very tempting for the utility, but I really wish it had a longer 6.5' bed option. Too many manly beer chugging men out there who seem happy with unmanly weenie useless short beds.
I appreciate the hummer range test. I think the 75 mph test is the better thank you. What was the speed while Towing? I think I missed that information and if anybody know let me know.
Like usual you missed the biggest difference between Tesla and everyone else. The supercharger network. Didn't even mention it. Kinda deceptive I think.
How is that funny? It would be no different if they went out in the middle of nowhere in gas vehicles doing a ton of testing and bringing with them containers of gas. Which I'm sure they did on a regular basis over the decades so they didn't have to keep running into town to fill up.
Although testing at highway speeds is important information, I think most people buy an EV because the travel 30 - 50 miles to get to work and are pissed at gas prices. Most of those miles are probably mixed of highway and city traffic.
When people ask me why I bought a EV (mind you I still have another car that is gas) I tell them it's because of those greedy oil companies that have made ridiculous profits off raising prices at their whim since I was a teenager and learned to drive. I only use the gas car in situations that best suits it utility other than that 90% of my driving is in a EV. Oil companies can kiss my ass.
Good content, but without the Tesla Model Y, 3 and the Tesla supercharger network this is moot IMO. Comparing all these cars against the expensive and freaky Model S Plaid is just plain deceptive. The other networks namely Electrify America are complete garbage. Who paid for this review?
Having started with Porsches and Audis, I now love to buy American. I love my 400HP Lincoln Continental, but now have a Lyriq on order. While you gave the Hummer lots of attention, you seem to have left out the Lyriq. In my opinion, it has the best mix of features, performance, and price. Hopefully, when my order comes in … maybe in April or May, I can decide whether or not to replace my current car for “EF Fun” driving! 🎉. I’d had hoped you’d give the Lyriq more attention in these tests.
Any electric vehicle with a glass roof is no deal for me. I agree with you guys about the heat and increased ac use. Goes to show some of these car makers aren’t interested in being “green”. I would use the i4 BMW of all of them. Most normal looking to me.
To me having glass that goes up to right above the driver's head (lucid, model X, cybertruck) is great and I would like that. but no further back than the top of my head. I'd apply a heat-ejecting wrap to the roof if I had a model 3/y. I've driven a 3 and that glass roof is absolutely pointless to me.
Test drive it vs a Tesla Model 3 or Model S. The BMW handling is absolutely horrible. I think it has something to do with its weight and weight distribution. Its not an EV designed car, its built on gas power chaises.
From the title I expected there were to be at least a few words about comfort and practicality, especially when commuting or driving in-town. Not one. I also found the time given to the Hummer ridiculous, as the number of EV buyers considering that vehicle must be infinitesimal.
I tow my camper around 65 because that's what the tires are rated for. But I get passed all the time by others with campers and especially 18 wheelers.
I was hoping for at least a quick review of the diesel generator they have in the back of the shot. Looks sweet. Lower it. Some fairings. Custom exhaust and a chip. #sweet
Only car and driver would bring generators to an EV test event! How Lame! Couldn’t you at least set up a nice battery bank and solar panels on trailers?
I'm shocked at the end result of the winner considering it was at the bottom of the range ratings. I think that's a factor that should account significantly. The argument could be that it does rate highly in the charging rate, but so do other cars that finished much higher in range.
Another car comparison from another "journalist". The Tesla S last in the list, Tesla 3 omission, shows who pays the bill/review. People vote with their wallets very differently.
Why is it that the music has to be dialed up to 11 and the dialogue cranked down to 3 on videos? Can we PLEASE not have to nearly mute videos during music? How about we up the volume on the dialogue instead of the music?
So you left out the two best selling BEVs in the world because…? Ah, should have known; Tesla did not pay you to prop up their products. Funny thing is the only OEMs on your list to be in business in a year will be Tesla, Rivian and maybe just maybe ford. Just curious, did any of your “testing” include information or reports from Sandy Munro? Dollars to donuts it didn’t. Face it Car and Driver, you’re as legacy as legacy auto: ICE ICE baby!
Tesla Plaid is a beast and there are tons of things that these lame reviews don't talk about like Sentry Mode, Netflix - TH-cam - Games - while charing - SC Network - True OTA Updates - and the list goes on.....
it's interesting they pointed out cars that were slow after 60 but didn't point out that the plaid charges like a beast all the way to top speed... no mention of charging network.... they're allergic to saying good things about tesla
I don't think average charge rate should be the gold standard. I think an early peak, while reducing predictability, is more important. Because when do you charge up usually? When SOC is *low*.
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You can find all of the results from our EV of the Year test here: www.caranddriver.com/news/a40778790/2022-car-and-driver-ev-of-the-year-contenders/
Thats a lot of work C&D. Appreciate your hard work. However we fans still are on lookout for Lightning Laps more than anything else!!
@@ponygt6629 Be on the lookout a year from the previous Lightning Lap video!
No Audi e-tron SUV and Sportback...? and why?
Please quit powering your EVs with diesel gensets, its killing me! Reach out to Moxion Power.
@@ponygt6629 "However we fans still are on lookout for Lightning Laps more than anything else!!"
Got to disagree! To me that's the least useful thing they do. C/D is valuable to me because they have the best combination of writing, journalism, and real-enthusiast (not just go-fast) perspective available. I mean, who else goes to the trouble to test cars on the types of bumpy, twisty roads real people drive every day? Anybody with some cash can rent a racetrack.
The charging test should really go from 10 - 80%. A lot of cars drop off charge rate fast after 80% to protect the battery, but not all. So you're putting cars like the MME at a disadvantage, and killing its average charge rate. As an EV owner (Bolt EV and Mach-E 4X) who has gone on several road trips (including Cleveland to Orlando), I don't really charge past 80% often. Even on the cars that it doesn't drop off AS hard as my Mach-E, it's still slower as you near a full charge, so it's often not worth sitting there to wait, and is faster to just stop a LITTLE sooner.
Also, if your Mach-E didn't have the charging update, it's EXTRA slow past 80%. After the charging update, that improved significantly.
This isn't meant as a complaint, just some feedback to consider in your ratings/considerations.
Biggest takeaway: Some EV's can output continuous full power while others can only provide max power briefly. Definitely good to know.
Lucid Air is one hell of car
On paper it might be good, but in reality it has soo many issues. Look at the reviews.
@@porscheisbad7234 they didn’t even release hater
for 160k it sure as hell should be
@@harshalkhande2381 iv seen multiple on the road. They’ve released them
Happy that all these options exist. I still think the Maverick hybrid is the biggest game changer due to the value proposition for most. Tough to make up 20k- 50kin purchase price in gas savings when you include the time value of money.
But it’ll only last 4 years before its completely worn out. I highly doubt the build quality is as good as people think it is. Like the old ford ranger. Buy a new one every few years.
If you are including TV of money you also need to consider resale value. EVs are much better in this arena. 👍
@@fuze3522 electric motors have nearly zero friction and very few moving parts. The only variable in the battery. EV warranties are usually double that of ICE. 👍
@@mt2nv1 im talking about the maverick hybrid lol. The Ioniq 5 will probably last 10 years or more. (I hope or ill be surely disappointed) plus the mavericks are cheap fleet work trucks that get driven hard daily. Im sure they’ll be replacing them for newer ones in 5 years.
@@fuze3522 agreed. Sorry I misread your comment. Hoping they make an EV version. Hybrids are just overly complex, unreliable compromises
I appreciate all of the work put into this video. Clearly this segment is in its infancy as there is a lot of work to be done. The idea of towing with an electric vehicle is not lose to being a reality. On the other hand the instant acceleration of electric vehicles is really fun why they last. Finally I need to become the ceo of an electric car manufacturer because some made more than the ceo of GM while only selling a few vehicles.
Trevor milton is the hero😅
Charging speed segment was the most interesting and informative for buying and driving one of the vehicles.
My only issue was DC fast charging to 90%, as it's not comparable to the charging habits of EV drivers. It's widely promoted in the EV community to only charge up to 80% on road trips. Most EV makers have already started prioritizing charging speeds up to 80 percent. For example the DC fast charging speed of the Mach e use to wind downto below 20kWh after 80% state of charge.
Yes, time to recharge the battery to 80% or 90% is particularly irrelevant. If you buy a car with a smaller battery, it will "fill up" faster! But another EV that adds the same or more miles of range in less time *is better*, regardless of how long it takes to fill up all the way.
Too bad they didn’t test the Model 3 or Model Y, both are far better selling vehicles but also charge more quickly than the Model S Plaid they tested.
it surprises me that C&D didn't include the best selling EVs Model Y and Model 3 in this comparison!
Maybe Tesla didn't give them one🤷🏽♂️
Guessing is because they are still in the shop trying fix something they can’t.
@@kukupupu4084 nope, probably because the Y and the 3 are not new, and keep on believing everything you read…😂
Good to see Jason Camissa again.
I see what you did there
This is great content! Exactly what people want to know about the current EV market.
I will use my Cadillac Lyriq AWD as a daily driver.
I drive LESS than 40 miles a day and I can charge at home - overnight between 6pm
and 6am.
I NEVER DO ROAD TRIPS- but I have gas cars if I ever needed to.
We need more mass produced EV’s. I’m tired of Luxury automakers building EV’s and slapping them with 100k + price tags.
Affordable EV’s need to become the new norm, not something for the 1% to glorify and act as though they’re ‘eco-friendly.’
You just said the truth about electric cars . They don't care about the environment , it's all about the money
That would be nice, but why would manufacturers make cheaper EVs when there's a waiting list for every decent EV? Obviously they'd rather put scarce batteries in $45,000+ crossovers and $70,000 sedans instead of $35,000 EVs. So Cadillacs and Hummers, the Ariya over the aging Leaf, fancier Hyundai and Kias over the Kona Electric, ID.4 and bigger over the ID.3, etc. GM offers reasonably priced EVs, we'll see how many standard-trim Bolts, Bolt EUVs, and Equinoxes it makes.
An EV recharged on today's grid is better for the environment than burning through many more tons of fossil fuel in a gasser. Since the majority of new generation is wind and solar, it will only get cleaner.
The future is electric. No noise, no emissions, less fuel costs and less maintenance costs.
Exactly 👍🏾
I'm here just to read the Tesla fan's comments about how Car and Driver must be biased for not saying Tesla is the greatest car company to have ever existed.
U know a lot of those kinda ppl exist cus of ppl like u right?
@@harsh07g Pretty sure I’m not responsible for other people acting like idiots. Tesla’s are fine. But the full self driving is a scam and the build quality is still subpar. If you like them, great. Good for you. But anytime a journalist criticizes the car in anyway, or says something positive about a rival, the cult loses their minds. I’m not sure if it’s entertaining or disturbing
@@craiganderson8569 dude the tone u talk with makes neutral ppl fire back cus u make every fan sound like a bad guy. All I'm asking u to do is not talk like u're looking down at ppl and make suggestions instead of outright allegations. U're just goin around trying to provoke normal ppl and then starting a fight and trynna make it all look like their fault.
@@harsh07g Go look at any EV review and see how the Tesla cult reacts to any legit criticism or any positive reviews of other EV's. It is common knowledge in the automotive world that the online Tesla community is toxic. All I was saying is I was looking forward to reading the nonsense. I am not provoking anybody.
@@harsh07g What did I say that was untrue?
the irony of the diesel generator charging the lucid in the opening shot
Maybe the diesel generator is cheaper to fill than using a public charging station for the lucid. 💵
Happy to see the 3rd to 22nd best selling EV on the market being compared.
While other manufacturers introduce EV models they'll make ~30,000 of, Tesla in 2022 is focused on making MILLIONS of Model 3s and Model Ys to meet demand.
Lmao. My thoughts exactly. Testing the newest he says. The Model S is 10 years old. I get the Plaid is a new version, but it ain't new. Unlike the Model Y. But I get why they didn't want the Model Y included in the test.
I would also be really interested, for full disclosure of course, to know what amount of sponsorship Car and Driver receives from any or all of the automakers represented in this test. Hopefully the answer is none, otherwise the referee is not as independent as they make out to be.
Where is the Model Y of any trim level? A huge and intentional omission from the line up
Called pay to play journalism. Tesla no pay get no play. 😁
But after watching this many millions of people will Google tesla as has been proven after the super bowl ad's mentioning evs but not teslas.
The week after interest in teslas sky rocketed and not the brands actually paying for the ad's. 👍🏻
Mach-E GT still my favorite, looks the best inside and out, still fast as hell, and its affordable
Beautiful car
Great Comparo. EVs have made cars interesting again. Range vs Cost plot would be interesting.
6:52 Thank you for the 'reinvention' section, this stuff needs to be shouted from the rooftops. So many manufacturers are making EV control interfaces needlessly complex or fiddly, for no good reason. People prefer familiar and intuitive controls. Absurd door handles are a bugbear of mine, but stampeding down the Tesla rat hole of 'everything must be in the screen' is a ridiculous path to take. Reverting to analog controls, i.e. big chunky knobs for heating and ventilation, conventional gear selectors, and analog gauges, will improve EV usability and take-up rates enormously.
I would prefer dials for heating and ventilation,, but you're overreacting. Rent a Tesla Model 3 for a long trip. It's a delight to drive.
@@skierpage Interesting you said the 3. Because the S is NOT with that yoke.
@@derbagger22 Model 3 is a much better car than the S in general.
Completely agree. My wife just switched to a car that has touchscreen / capacitive-button controls for the temp and fan speed, and it’s a big step backward from physical buttons and dials.
A touchscreen is fine for some things (e.g., some setting you’ll hardly ever change) but, for others, a low-tech solution is best! 👍🏼
The big diesel generator that the cars are plugged into is such a great picture of the reality of EVs.
C&D did not analyse the charge network and the ease of charging, what good is a EV without cheap and reliable fast charging..?
My recommendation to people who ask is that if you don't have the wherewithal to level 2 charge at home you might want to wait for the public charging networks to improve. I personally would not own an EV if I had to rely on public charging. Still too hit or miss in many places, and so costly as to greatly diminish the operating cost advantages of owning an EV.
Yep, Tesla is the only reliable network currently (and far easier than others to use - plug in and charge). Hopefully other netwoks will improve, but they are not at all dependable today for trips.
C&D is allergic to pointing out areas where Tesla is a clear-cut winner.
@@tesla_tap From what I've heard, Tesla is reliable, but the other networks have improved greatly in my area just in the year+ I've owned an EV. Here in the northeast there are several very good networks, and generally speaking charging isn't really an issue. Ford's plug and charge capability works reliably with EA, and other networks are coming onboard, and a great number of networks can be activated through Ford Sync.
But again, public charging costs ~2x home charging if not more, which greatly reduces one of the advantages of EV operation in comparison to ICE.
GM, Ford, Rivian and Volvo will be able to natively use the Tesla superchargers in the next couple of years after providing the adapters for current EV models.
I wonder if that’ll help sales and if Ford / GM would also invest in Tesla superchargers aside from paying a licensing fee for supercharging. Rivian definitely benefits since they won’t have to spend a lot of money on providing charging infrastructure aside from few areas where Tesla is not available.
I preordered my Cadillac Lyriq AWD.
Should get it by January.
Really enjoyed this, thanks Carlos! Great infographics, too
Wish C&D would upload more videos to YT. I’ve been subscribed to the magazine/website for years.
Car and Driver is the best magazine for testing and is honest unlike some. Great to see another amazing video.
I think it's going to be awhile before we we see many people buying ev's and towing something heavy or going cross country on vacation in them.
But, for most people, in everyday driving needs, we're there already. If you can drive everyday to work and home for a week before charging, that's cool.
My two concern's now are, how long batteries last, and how long all the electric options last. We're getting there.
There has to be a change to the mindset when it comes to the use of personal transportation. There are some points where a BEV will never catch up to an ICE vehicle, like range. But I don't think that the ability to drive for 12 hours without stopping is something that really adds much to a trip. Rather than peeing into a bottle, stopping every 3 or 4 hours to recharge the car and have a coffee doesn't seem like such a deal breaker, at least considering the needs of 90% of the population (Actual needs, not perceived)
You are right that charging can vary. After the new software update to the Taycan and with a proper working EA charging station, I went from 20% to 70% charge in 12 minutes, adding about 200 miles of range. I also, in warm weather, tend to get closer to 280 miles of range in the Taycan 4S.
11:00 Loss in range while towing is 170, 150, and 130 miles for the Rivian R1T, Hummer EV, and Ford F-150 Lightning in respective order. When it comes to towing at highway speeds, the Ford is the most efficient
Wow, the Lucid is going to be a thing...didn't realize it excelled in so many categories.
I am very happy with the Tesla Model 3 Long Range I got earlier this year. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned for road trips and daily use. If you are a motoring purist, make sure you keep your favorite drivers car. (I still have my Mustang GT for when I want shift gears and hear an engine roar)
👏 exactly, it's a no brainer, 1 Ev 1 Gas car, that's the new paradigm shift for those who can afford it.
@@briannedry5346 I think I would like to have and aptera and a 1st gen 4 door tacoma. That covers all my bases. passengers, heavy loads, off road, etc? tacoma. everything else? aptera. the taco will hold it's value like a champ and last forever and is reasonably safe being a little taller and having reasonably high mass.
@@bob15479 yeah the aptera looks interesting, I just don't know how well it can navigate the highways or snow/ severe weather but it's your choice, do what make sense for you. 😊
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What you didn't mention here and is never mentioned in the automotive press is drivability. With a greying population, this is a concern. As a disabled veteran with a spinal injury, I am unable to drive cars with heavy steering. I settled on a Bolt EUV because of its light steering and Super Cruise. Cars like the Volvos and Polestar were good on city streets but I'm the highway the steering weighted up too much. Tesla's were a non-starter in the parking lot as were VW and Hyundai Ionic 5 because even there the steering was too heavy. And in reality, all this heavy steering is out there because you all in the automotive press reward sporty driving over pragmatic driving, despite the fact that the vast majority of car use is pragmatic. You all really need to re-think your evaluation criteria for cars that are not toys!
Tesla steering weight is adjustable. The light setting is very light in my opinion.
@@lemongavine I drove it. With my disabilities, it was still too heavy in the lightest setting
How much diesel did you use?
Awesome breakdown
To not have the other Tesla models is ridiculous.
Musks Teslas are trash
Great review.
Good, useful, practical piece. Thanks C&D.
Nice review, good job guys 😀
Awesome insights on the new evs. Thank you
I love how they have a diesel generator in the background charging the electric cars
This was great. I am not an early adopter so in three to four years I will be ready for an improved ev.
Great work guy love it
Very interesting, thx
I was a bit let down by the Kia EV6 GT. Despite the power gains, it actually doesn't receive a bigger battery or anything to otherwise lengthen the duration you can spend between charging. Infact it takes a massive range hit, going from EPA est. 274 miles for the e-AWD GT-line and Wind trims, down to 206 miles. The largest culprits I imagine, being the larger wheels and tires geared toward performance over convenience.
It also does this while losing you features. Such as power adjusting front seats (thus also losing memory seat function)
The Model S Plaid needs to be in track mode to reach its current 175mph top speed.
Ioniq 5 looks 🔥. N version plz
Congrats on your position at C&D Carlos!
Good test. We are still in the infant stage of EVs and will only get much better as the technology continues to advance to really make the majority of gas cars extinct.
we dont have the infrastructure to charge all the EV's
@@Breal1969 go back to 1950. "We don't have the infrastructure for every home to have air conditioning." Most EV owners will mostly recharge when electricity is cheap, because there's lots available. If electric utilities can't make money selling more of their product to meet a variable demand, one that's a perfect fit for intermittent wind and solar that is the majority of new generation because it's quick and cheap, then that is a complete failure of their management and regulators.
We have to electrify as much as possible to reduce the multiple worsening harms resulting from global warming caused primarily by burning fossil fuels, so there will be a lot more electricity in the future. Big investments come with big rewards. Land transportation is one of the easier areas to decarbonize, there's also home heating, agriculture, industrial processes, shipping, air travel, ...
@@skierpage climate change is for RUBES.
@@skierpage That’s a nice theory only one fatal flaw. We still do not have the infrastructure for a home to have AC. Most homes have subpar or inadequate electrical management due to how sparse electricity actually is. And given how stretched the grid is, we are operating on an extremely low output level from would actually be needed. No amount of management nor restructuring will alleviate this. For if it could, there would be at least one area of self perpetuating energy that is able to account for a extreme of living space. Also to garner such electrical output would still require gas, wind is and always will be to inefficient because of its unpredictable nature.
nothing beats a diesel generator when charging EV’s 😝
Why was the Cadillac lyriq not talked about??
Top notch journalism !
In Sweden there are those who tow a caravan with a Tesla model Y. NOTE: In Sweden, it is common to tow a caravan, a regular station wagon or sedan that is petrol or diesel powered. An average caravan in Sweden weighs 1600 kg. Pickups are not a common sight on Swedish roads. Then you might wonder what they do when they have to move, yes they might rent a trailer if they haven't bought their own. At Swedish petrol stations you can also rent a smaller van
It's pretty incredible that Hyundai and it's sub brands are the first to put out real mass market EV's that people can afford and actually want, when 20 years ago they were a bit of a joke and terrible built vehicles. Even 10 years ago they still lagged behind most automakers. And now they have the most compelling EV options on the market and beat all the Japanese and US automakers in making sensible EV's.
This is true. All of the US, Japanese and Germans, I might add, in making sensible, mass-market vehicles.. Agree completely
And u can get a Hyundai or KIA for free if you have a USB cable!
The Bolt EUV is another good EV for a lot less money than the new Hyundai/Kia/Genesis trio.
The Kona Electric in this test but barely mentioned has a nicer interior than the bolt EUV, but won't get the new IRA tax credit. I hope cheaper EVs get the rapid charging of the newer more expensive ones, see the chart at 5:27.
Excellent, thorough testing as always!!
The costs to fast charge and the discrepancy between advertised range and real world range are concerning, and definite barriers to entry for many. If your use case is simply to go to and from work and add in some local trips, you should be fine as long as you have a home charger. For those living without access to a home charger (apartment complexes, those that park on streets, etc.) or those who regularly take long road trips or use their vehicle for towing and hauling, it's going to be a while before they're ready to take the plunge--no matter how quickly the government tries to push the issue.
Your right... but new tech tends to go in the more expensive vehicles first to push up the profitability...in some extreme cases its beta testing in the really expensive vehicles and then the tech gets improved or imitated at a cheaper price and implemented into the less expensive cars. Its like what Mercedes would do with their the S sedans and then slowly move the tech it into the less expensive lines over time.
My boyfriend has a model 3 in south Florida. It never ever gets it’s estimated range. I never have to worry about it in my Mazdas 3. I have a estimated idea of my range with each new tank.
Hi there watching from Panama 🇵🇦
Where was Car and Driver when I was in the market for my horseless carriage. EV vehicle are so new that we must be excited for the evolution of them. It's the future of transportation just as the automobile was at the begining of the twentieth century. Motorsports fans don't fret, the automobile only made equine sports even bigger and more popular.
As someone who has lived with only EVs for a number of years now and lives in the midwest, I can tell you that range and charging infrastructure are still the top considerations here when buying an EV. There are non-Tesla networks along highways in the midwest finally, but the Tesla supercharger network is still much better overall. At the same time, it looks like the long range Model S (not in the this specific test but mentioned from prior test) is still pretty much king in range; the Lucid Air range is in a league of it's own but then so is the Lucid Air price. What I would really love to see is an EV that focuses almost entirely on range and charging but in an modest non-weird normal-looking package. For a 2nd vehicle, I wouldn't need the range, and the F-150 Lightning would be very tempting for the utility, but I really wish it had a longer 6.5' bed option. Too many manly beer chugging men out there who seem happy with unmanly weenie useless short beds.
I appreciate the hummer range test. I think the 75 mph test is the better thank you. What was the speed while Towing? I think I missed that information and if anybody know let me know.
They mentioned going 70mph while towing.
Like usual you missed the biggest difference between Tesla and everyone else. The supercharger network. Didn't even mention it. Kinda deceptive I think.
Too bad the Lucid Air Sapphire wasn’t out yet, it will embrace the Tesla S Plaid.
You know all these EV's protect themselves than going down .
13:10. Those firetrucks are called Tillers.
Car and driver - bought and sold! No more credibility and haven’t had for years! RIPCND 👎🏼
They are…..charging the cars with not ONE BUT TWO DIESEL GENERATORS…… FOR REAL!!!!?
Still not convinced on electric cars I’ll stick with my ICE and manual transmissions
The Best selling BYD is out.
The irony of charging his EV off a genny in the back haha
Thanks for putting this report together. It seems Hyundai is really stepping to the front of the line. GV80 looks real good.
Did you really have them hooked up to a generator in the beginning of the video? 😂
How is that funny? It would be no different if they went out in the middle of nowhere in gas vehicles doing a ton of testing and bringing with them containers of gas. Which I'm sure they did on a regular basis over the decades so they didn't have to keep running into town to fill up.
So disappointing...
Yeah, it's a necessity given the logistics of how we evaluate them, which involves our staff driving each of them over the same roads back-to-back.
Your voice is IDENTICAL to Daniel Tosh. It's unreal.
Porsche is currently updating their cars at the dealers for more mileage...right after taking the ring lap time back with a tire/suspension upgrade...
When did Carlos leave Edmunds and start at C&D?
Thinking the same thing. Maybe onto greener pastures. Edmunds got bought by Carmax in 2021 so maybe better job security. I do miss him on Edmunds.
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Although testing at highway speeds is important information, I think most people buy an EV because the travel 30 - 50 miles to get to work and are pissed at gas prices. Most of those miles are probably mixed of highway and city traffic.
When people ask me why I bought a EV (mind you I still have another car that is gas) I tell them it's because of those greedy oil companies that have made ridiculous profits off raising prices at their whim since I was a teenager and learned to drive. I only use the gas car in situations that best suits it utility other than that 90% of my driving is in a EV.
Oil companies can kiss my ass.
To get the best out of something, you test it at its worst.
@@derbagger22 agree
I'm 6.2 miles round trip for my job. I'll never ever consider an ev. They are illogical.
Good content, but without the Tesla Model Y, 3 and the Tesla supercharger network this is moot IMO. Comparing all these cars against the expensive and freaky Model S Plaid is just plain deceptive. The other networks namely Electrify America are complete garbage. Who paid for this review?
Good point lol. And what percentage of EVs these EVs count?
The main reason the Hummer wins the towing range test is due to its massive 212 kwh battery.
The largest battery will always win the towing test.
Lucid has no competition, class on its own..
Having started with Porsches and Audis, I now love to buy American. I love my 400HP Lincoln Continental, but now have a Lyriq on order. While you gave the Hummer lots of attention, you seem to have left out the Lyriq. In my opinion, it has the best mix of features, performance, and price. Hopefully, when my order comes in … maybe in April or May, I can decide whether or not to replace my current car for “EF Fun” driving! 🎉. I’d had hoped you’d give the Lyriq more attention in these tests.
I’m surprised C&D aren’t able to get a Tesla Cybertruck tested considering production starts this year
Any electric vehicle with a glass roof is no deal for me. I agree with you guys about the heat and increased ac use. Goes to show some of these car makers aren’t interested in being “green”. I would use the i4 BMW of all of them. Most normal looking to me.
To me having glass that goes up to right above the driver's head (lucid, model X, cybertruck) is great and I would like that. but no further back than the top of my head. I'd apply a heat-ejecting wrap to the roof if I had a model 3/y. I've driven a 3 and that glass roof is absolutely pointless to me.
Test drive it vs a Tesla Model 3 or Model S. The BMW handling is absolutely horrible. I think it has something to do with its weight and weight distribution. Its not an EV designed car, its built on gas power chaises.
GM could crush it on charge time if the Bolt could fast-charge at the same rate as the Hummer.
nice video but who tows a 7000 lb trailer at 70 mph???
From the title I expected there were to be at least a few words about comfort and practicality, especially when commuting or driving in-town. Not one. I also found the time given to the Hummer ridiculous, as the number of EV buyers considering that vehicle must be infinitesimal.
You can find more details on each of the contenders here: www.caranddriver.com/news/a40778790/2022-car-and-driver-ev-of-the-year-contenders/
No Polestar 2, Lyric, ID.4, Leaf or Model 3... Hard to take this test seriously.
Great roundup but for the love of trailer sway please don't tow at 70 MPH what the heck!! 😨
Totally agree. I tow a TT with a V8 F-150 with heavy tow package. You really should not be averaging those speeds towing.
I tow my camper around 65 because that's what the tires are rated for. But I get passed all the time by others with campers and especially 18 wheelers.
I was hoping for at least a quick review of the diesel generator they have in the back of the shot. Looks sweet. Lower it. Some fairings. Custom exhaust and a chip. #sweet
Lucid air the champ in distance 🚀🚀🚀🚀
Lucid air is an FormulaE car with a luxury shell
Only car and driver would bring generators to an EV test event! How Lame! Couldn’t you at least set up a nice battery bank and solar panels on trailers?
I'm shocked at the end result of the winner considering it was at the bottom of the range ratings. I think that's a factor that should account significantly. The argument could be that it does rate highly in the charging rate, but so do other cars that finished much higher in range.
Another car comparison from another "journalist". The Tesla S last in the list, Tesla 3 omission, shows who pays the bill/review. People vote with their wallets very differently.
Why is it that the music has to be dialed up to 11 and the dialogue cranked down to 3 on videos? Can we PLEASE not have to nearly mute videos during music? How about we up the volume on the dialogue instead of the music?
Here's what you need to know about any EV: Do like C and D. Bring two high output diesel generators with you.
So you left out the two best selling BEVs in the world because…? Ah, should have known; Tesla did not pay you to prop up their products. Funny thing is the only OEMs on your list to be in business in a year will be Tesla, Rivian and maybe just maybe ford. Just curious, did any of your “testing” include information or reports from Sandy Munro? Dollars to donuts it didn’t. Face it Car and Driver, you’re as legacy as legacy auto: ICE ICE baby!
Polestar, Model 3, Y, where are these vehicles located?
One important detail such reviews forget to test is how much electricity the car consumes while parked.
From what I can tell, Rivian says that the 20” tires and 22” tires reduce the range.
Tesla Plaid is a beast and there are tons of things that these lame reviews don't talk about like Sentry Mode, Netflix - TH-cam - Games - while charing - SC Network - True OTA Updates - and the list goes on.....
it's interesting they pointed out cars that were slow after 60 but didn't point out that the plaid charges like a beast all the way to top speed... no mention of charging network.... they're allergic to saying good things about tesla
I don't think average charge rate should be the gold standard. I think an early peak, while reducing predictability, is more important. Because when do you charge up usually? When SOC is *low*.