iPhone origin story: 'Because Steve hated this guy at Microsoft'
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Former Apple software engineer Scott Forstall sits down with Computer History Museum historian John Markoff to discuss the impetus for the iPad and iPhone.
Watch the full interview from the Computer History Museum here:
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The guy he hated HAS to be Steve Ballmer
@whatever04 Cause he's super annoying and constantly scoffs at things before they become huge successes, proving him wrong, while not being imaginative enough to foresee why his assessment is wrong and being perfectly satisfied with himself until he gets egg on his face.
I think it wasn't Ballmer but probably Steve Sinofsky
Bill (a couch interview): " You know, Tablets n' Touchscreens ... it's a Windows Phenomena. "
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@@alphazar
So Steve hated a Steve. We can agree on that.
@@alphazar and Steve Sinofsky is a big iSheep now whole day tweeting about apple products or his day at Microsoft
Same shirt from WWDC 2012! LOL
If it ain’t broke. Don’t fix it!
It’s really cool that this isn’t the first time I heard someone describe that table
The guy that does the "interview" looks like bill gates 😱
Raymond Eelst so true haha
a walmart version of bill gates
Raymond Eelst from 0:40 to 0:43 he said this guy wasn't bill
ID10T Error. He said the "interviewer" looks like bill gates not that Bill pissed of Steve :/
Continue on iSheep.
lol. i thought so too. :p
Hatred drives innovation. Finally, I can envision myself achieving greatness!
"I need my hate." -- James T. Kirk
“Software engineer” what
He was head of the entire iPhone operating system
This clip belongs to technology hall of fame.Hands down.👍👍👍👍👍
This story totally aligns to Steve’s character
I'm a windows pc user and an iphone owner and this makes me happy
Macs are better for work and androids are for persons who want to do more on their phone
MacBook Air, custom built gaming pc, and iPhone se (coming from android).
Dragon Ball Sound Effects androids are for ram hungry users who want to tweak tf out of their phone and make fun of other people cuz they cant do that. the main reason i dont like android is because all the customization is an overkill in my opinion. i love ios because its just right. nothing too fancy. i jus want a phone to use twitter and take pictures and i love FaceTime and iMessage. i love how easy the iphone is. android phones i sometimes forget how to do a certain thing on them cuz theres too many customizations
+TYRIEKFILMS You said the most truthful and honest thing ever
I wouldn't say that Android fans are RAM hungry. In fact, although Android phones typically have much more RAM than iPhones, iOS' godly optimization means that iPhones can hold as many (if not more) apps in memory than Android phones. Next, although customization is a thing that many Android users are into, it's not the only temptation for customers to buy an Android phone. There's also the price point. You can get a decent Android phone for even as little as $100. Yes, it's not as good as a high end phone, but a lot of people don't need that.
Watch the full interview with Scott Forstall from the Computer History Museum in San Jose, Ca. Link posted in the comments section of this video.
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Forstall is a lot like Steve. He should go back to Apple
ThexBorg The current admin wont work with him. He was constantly butting heads with the team at Apple.
Tim fired him dude, there is no way of Tim gonna hiring him back.
He also had issues with Jonny Ive
@@shivamkrishn Two or three of the executives that hated him are gone in 2023. Maybe he has a shot now.
I miss that guy he was pretty cool. I'm sure they wanted him out so they could the company in the direction they are going
They wanted Scott out so that they can suck everything out of Apple since Steve Jobs is already dead. That is why after Jobs passing, there has not been anything revolutionary new at Apple.
Now he can be his authentic self and hopefully find the man of his dreams.
when i first saw forstall talk about the iphone. He remind me of steve jobs. I was surprised, when got kick out because of the iphone map failure.
Dumb move on their part. You can't learn without risks and failures.
Should go back to Apple... and bring innovation to it
Forstall should have been named CEO. His and Steve’s vision was largely the same..
Scott G. Don't forget he was also responsible for Apple maps.
Ryan Good That's true. But now they have updated it and it's "good" now...but at that time would Steve release something that was as bad as that? They rushed it too soon even to this day I don't use it
I think it's much more than just apple map. It's hard to called it a screwup, apple eventually will need to develop their own map anyway, the sooner they introduce their own map the sooner they can start collecting datas.
I still don't use apple map today, and I don't think there is anything they can do differently back then for me to change my mind.
I think he's fired only because his working style, without SJ to back him, people are. It going to take it.
Forstall was never a leader. Jobs himself passed the torch to Cook and could've named Forstall but didn't. Nevermind the fact that iOS has vastly improved since he has left and I'm not even gonna mention Apple Maps.
Karim Salloum Improved? Have you ever used iOS 5 or 6?
That projector on the ceiling and the table touch was made by pranab mistry I think. He gave his Ted talk of sixth sense in 2004/05
“This guy at Microsoft” is responsible for creating Apple’s $2T in shareholder value 😂
Reminds me of the feud between Ferrari and Lamborghini. Ferrari wouldn't make the car Lamborghini wanted so he said fine I'll go make my own.
Why can’t any of us get our pants all the way down to our ankles honestly like me too I’m not helping. Unless I wear shorts I got Henry VIII legs
The title should be " How Microsoft helped Apple build the iPhone"
Steve Ballmer is the Microsoft guy that pissed off Steve Jobs
calm down, that time has passed :-) things of the tech past are why we have a great tech future
yes but ballmer was an idiot - i think he'd put anyone with faith in humanity in a foul mood for a week
i'll be ballmer DID (do things to make it more 'profitable') ... doesn't surprise me at all ... yes i think jobs is overrated in many ways of course but you know - he was charismatic and good looking which is all some people seem to care about
it wasn't ballmer, it's literally the husband of his wife's friend as mentioned in the video. It's also discussed in his biography. Just some lower level guy at Microsoft
Then the note 7 blew up. Literally
HAHAHAHAH
Lol
Necessity *and spite* are the parents of invention
So, that tablet was the Surface?
Everyone was thinking the same thing. You don't want your greasy fingerprints all over the glass. But it wasn't Apple who solved the problem of fingerprints on glass.
Steve Jobs what a legend lol
We have 10 STYLUS😂
I think Microsoft should start pissing off Apple once again, maybe Apple will start making decent products.
wheres the full video?
We posted a link to the full interview in the comments section of this video.
Christopher Fang ??? Why???
Tim Cook biography brought me here :)
Oh that same shirt?!
i m surprised he was not carrying notes , on apple stage he always had note book ..
when i first saw this, one thing i noticed was that the Microsoft guy's claim to their tablet/stylus thing never ended up happening. They never released a tablet before or as a contemporary with even the iPhone or iPad 2 years later. By the time the Surface came out, the iPad was already a big thing.
Microsoft licensed Windows for Tablet PCs, which were these clunky keyboard-less PCs. Super thick compared to modern tablets and clunky interface.
That’s because you didn’t follow this space. They did release tablets with windows xp. It was just awful. Then there were UMPC. You can find them here on youtube.
Well I was there, and you were wrong.
He’s talking as though Apple invented the capacitive touch screen. They didn’t. They bought it and never gave the real inventor any public recognition
I think the shirt he wear is made in Bangladesh 🇧🇩
Md Shakawat who cares?
Steve Jobs and Bill Gates' rivalrous friendship is the stuff of tech lore. ... In August of 1997, Gates stepped in and saved Apple, which, at the time, was on the brink of bankruptcy. "Bill, thank you. The world's a better place," Jobs told Gates after the Microsoft exec agreed to make a $150 million investment in Apple HOW SOON WE FORGET
That $150 million wasn't an investment to save Apple, it was a settlement of a lawsuit brought against Microsoft for using unlicensed QuickTime source code in their Video for Windows app. Do a Wikipedia search for "San Francisco Canyon Company" for more details.
He mostly wanted to prevent an anti-trust trial no?
Richard Hendricks IRL lol
& THUS the I Phone was born......coz someone pissed Steve off..... what a great story !
That Microsoft guy is Tim Cook. Stylus?? LOL. Welcome, Apple Pencil.
Pencil in an accessory for precision. Touchscreen devices of that time used stylus , not your fingers .
Forstall just repeats the marketing material from the original iPhone.
10 styli, etc.
Funny about that $100 price wish of Steve Jobs. Anyway, even for Apple, what would the new leapfrog product to be ?
Steve Jobs is missed very much..
And that's how the iPhone tablet came to live.
Isn't Forstall the reason why Apple's support department went crumbling down in ratings?
Is it just me or are they completely full of it? *Didn't Jobs watch Jeff Han demo a full multi-touch interface at Ted 2006?* ‡
Or was he somehow the only tech CEO to not hear about one of the most popular demos at Ted?
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‡ Dated '07, filmed in '06. With, btw (no joke - and call me crazy 🕶️) the most enthusiastic guy in the audience sounding exactly like Jobs.
(??)
Seipjere, don't you know that Apple "invented" every great technology they bought or stole. The mouse, graphical ui, multitouch...
meyman9 - Honestly, I'm mostly* just curious.
. . . And / but - Han *definitely deserves a shoutout.*
They are talking well before 2006. iPhone came out in 2007, was in development for several years and this is even before they came up with the idea for the iPhone. The iPad was imagined as a concept before the iPhone. So I imagine this must have been around 2003 - 2004.
@@nowthatsinteresting313 - I hear you 100%. All I was trying to say was that working on something **then** **maybe** having the boss bring in an outside guy who ( **maybe** ) solved ALL YOUR REMAINING PROBLEMS is definitely not the same thing . . .
(Fictional Analogy, re The Invention of the airplane)
. . . Say a super rich 19th-century socialite flight enthusiast (scrappy Wheeler Dealer Steve) had a team of highly skilled engineers that 'almost' invented the airplane at the same time / before The Wright brothers, and he (19th century Steve Jobs) happened to stumble onto these two crazy bicycle shop owners in Ohio BEFORE SAID WRIGHTS HAD SECURED ADEQUATE FUNDING. (??)
All I'm saying is that it wouldn't surprise me to later stumble onto the team chief casually re-writing the story of exactly how successful his team actually was.
(i.e. before the boss maybe delivered them a perfect working prototype -
a la, "Here it is.” “And we're going to market in 6 months.”) ?
Scott screwed Apple Maps, Jony Ive screwed butrefly keyboard.
i wonder who that guy is.
Wozniak and Ballmer, no wonder Jobs got pissed🤣
Your lived experience is not the same as mine
and right after Steve's last breath they start selling a stylus
...then apple made the apple pencil ))
That ain't Bill G. 😂
Steve Jobs: "Stylists are cumbersome"
2016 Apple employees: "Introducing the Apple Pencil"
And if you wanna go in that direction, Steve Jobs didn't want to make a phone at all. He hated the idea. He hated carriers having control over what phones could do, etc. Employees had to plead for a long time, even making clickwheel iPod prototypes with wifi in order to get Jobs to agree to making a phone.
According to Jobs himself as soon as he saw the scrolling demo on the tablet interface he said this would be perfect for a phone, and put the tablet on the side to first develop the iPhone.
The Apple Pencil is a creative tool that is literally leaps and bounds better than any of its competitors for art.
You cant compare the pencil for a tablet to a stylus for a phone.
They have the Apple pencil since 1993(newton)😭😂😅😉
nothing to do with the ipod
And then Apple comes out with a oen for their ipad...
Jobs and Forstall were so similar. Weird how once Jobs died, they kicked Forstall out. Conspiracy: They wanted to do whatever they wanted with Apple, and with Jobs and Forstall gone they could.
That's not a conspiracy, it's well known that Forstall clashed with many of the other senior VPs (even to the point of pushing Bob Mansfield, the head of Mac hardware, into retirement (and Mac hardware has gone to shit ever since)) and didn't fit with the new "friendly" atmosphere Tim Cook wanted to create at Apple.
The people in charge of the different departments at Apple between 2005 and 2011 were truly the dream team. Jobs, Forstall, Mansfield, Bertrand Serlet, Jony Ive having just enough but not too much influence... miss those times.
MLennholm i think that Craig fedherigi does a Great Job and Mansfield is back at Apple but unfortunately working on Project Titan at the Moment as far as i know. But yes, that was some sort of dreamteam.
5 years gone from Apple and he's still wearing those shitty 80's shirts 😂😂
And I love this. I had to check the date of the video to make sure it wasn't from the 90s. Apple should hire Scott back to run the macOS team. Full stop. Period. The end.
who was the guy at Microsoft ?
Executive at Microsoft, dinner with Jobs, talking about tablet PC and pixel sense. Maybe Bill Gates?
Aga from 0:40 to 0:43 he said
he wasn't bill
Ballmer.
Stylus Who needs a stylus Yuk😀😀 Scott is one of my favorite when he was there RIP Steve 🙏😥 Silicon Valley has gone to S*%#^ now
so steve doesn`t want stylus cause u gotta lose it. now apple sells dongles for headphones and wireless earbuds...way to go, apple
Was there anyone Jobs didn't hate?
In 2018 Cook is doing to Apple what Sculley was doing to Apple before Jobs saved it.
He's gotten older lol
And now They sell apple Pencil for $100 a pop.
this is a fair point, but the apple pencil technically isn't a stylus though, as it's mostly for artwork. You can use it as a stylus but it has function for artists on tablets and e-comic artists. As someone who once had a Treo, the stylus was literally just a plastic stick that had no function whatsoever. I could use a stick off a tree on the Treo and it made no difference in how it functioned. Not so with the Apple pencil bc it's actually a "smart" pencil.
Hi. This is a good interview:-) Thanks Scott. Must have been Ballmer, lol.
God bless, Proverbs 31
Just saying, Apple didn’t invent multitouch. It was around since the 80’s but Jeff Han’s team at NYU really made it into how we think of real multitouch today. Maybe Apple bought the rights to it or absorbed the team. That way, since the team is now working for Apple, they can say “we invented it”. Watch the TED video from over 13 years ago where he pinches and zooms a picture. Exactly how we use it today.
The first touch Device wasn't in the 80s, it was from IBM in 1993.
Apple bought this company called Fingerworks in 2005 that was making multi-touch devices, including a touch-sensitive keyboard that could do multi-touch gestures back in the early 2000 before that. A lot of people with RSI really liked them because you didn't have to move your hand off the keyboard to move the cursor or gesture. After the acquisition Apple shutdown production of the Touchstream keyboards as they just wanted the technology and the engineers, people started hording the keyboards and they were selling well over $1000 on eBay and the former founder of the company would repair the old keyboards in his spare time to support the small community while working for Apple.
In sci-fi movies, maybe. In the '80s the mouse and GUI on the Macintosh were the revolution in consumer computing, suddenly not having to type in DOS prompts and floppy discs that fit in your pocket and didn't bend and get ruined, not touch screens.
hahahahaha show them how it is done? lets see how cheep we can make them before they stop buying them!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Steve Jobs would be a Sith
Microsoft ?
pictoline xd
Quality is terrible
so easy to claim any situation when the subject is RIP....well well talk is cheap
The thing he saw, was a microsoft invention. Jesus!!!
Not very articulate. No way he could be a CEO.
Have you seen Elon Musk speak? Besides, Apple should hire him back to run macOS, not to be CEO.
Yeah and now apple have a STYLUS .....wtf Steve will turn on his grave
that's why apple fired you also lol! :D
Discount Bill Gates.
Boi, was steve jobs was wrong 😂 (stylus pen)
But he show how it's done, while Microsoft just make it a fantasy for over a decade. Respect 🙌🏼
So you use your phone with a stylus?
ipod and that's it
this guy always use stripe shirt...
First
Steve kicked him out from Apple because of map issue in iOS 7 and he developed iOS. Strange....right
Ballmer
It's ridiculous to blame a competitive product by refer the guy who never known who he is?and the other guy who pass away. We never know, is it fake or real story.
And then Apple released a stylus...
Yes, and Tim Cook released Apple Pencil. Just shows that after Jobs, Apple has transformed into what Microsoft was in the '90s. All the innovations and dreams died. The adage now is not "Think Different" anymore. Its "How to Milk our Products to the Max" or "Squeeze every dollar out of every product before we release the tiniest innovation. Then repeat the Cycle." Apple users since the late '80s hate the Apple fanboys of today. Actually, we hate what Apple has become.
Why is Apple Pencil bad? Like seriously does anyone really like to draw with their fingers on the iPad? It’s unnatural seriously. The Apple Pencil is not about striking innovation in your face, it’s more of a convenience accessory that works really well
So if Scott Forstall made the iPhone and the iPad and Wozniak did the Mac computers, what exactly did Steve Jobs do and why aren't these people touted the true computer innovators instead of Jobs who didn't even know how to code basic things. Just goes to show how the mouthpiece of the company can take all the limelight for doing practically nothing.
What did Steve Jobs do? He started Apple, the most successful company in world history. Steve Wozniak even said Apple would never have existed without Jobs, so if you think he did "practically nothing," maybe you should try launching your own $2 trillion company. Be prepared, though, for ignorant randos on the sidelines to second-guess your achievements.
You quoted Wozniak. I'll quote Wozniak's father, "my son did all the work, your contribution is zero. You deserve zero."@@unpeople
@@unpeopleWoz was gone by the time the Macintosh came along. Woz is famous for the Apple ][
Apple is a snob company.
Toonses
Hardly
Steve Jobs: Pisces, water sign. Steve Ballmer: Aries, fire sign. Water and Fire do not match. Water: deep, thoughtful, spiritual. Fire: jumpy, impulsive, sparky
He has a horrible way of talking...even with an interesting story he's almost impossible to listen to.
I have been using Apple product over 10 years. Now I think Microsoft are innovators now, not Apple. Planning to get a MS Surface soon. I just can't decide which one. I have already left using an iPhone. It's just to boring. Never been happier.
Michael Padilla okay.
so apple introduced a stylus and a force sensitive display. Jobs wouldn't be happy
Somewhat Legit There is a BIG difference between the force sensing display Apple have now got, versus what Scott is talking about here. Scott is talking about a very old and rubbish type of touchscreen which used pressure to know WHERE you pressed, rather than Apple's current version where it can sense how HARD you pressed.
Irfan Chaudhri I'm aware of what he was talking about, some cheap smartphones from a couple of years back used the same technology. I just thought it was a bit odd for Jobs to hate on things and then Apple applies them to it's products.
Somewhat Legit Jobs was not hating on resistive touch screens because they required force, he hated on them because they were terrible. like what was said in the video the screen looked horrible, the text looked poor as the screen deformed, the sensitivity was on and off. Jobs would have had no problems what so ever with force touch.
Omar M Khalil but force touch is still cumbersome.
Somewhat Legit that's your opinion. I think force touch is a genius way of giving the user more control. Just like a right click on a mouse.
was painful to listen to this guy. I mean, really worst 3 minutes of my life.
This guy is bad at storytelling.