For what it's worth, I love Tyrande's voicelines in Shadowlands. The raw ferocity is so thrilling to listen to. When I did the 'summon Elune' quest ingame, the music and her lines sent chills down my spine. I'm glad we got to see her use more Elune magic akin to her WC3 ult Starfall, it was the coolest spell in the game. However, her character arc was never written from her perspective, all her stories were from PoV of Sylvanas, Anduin, Varian, Malfurion, Illidan.
Will love Night Elves forever. The savage, alternative take on the overdone Elf cliche by Blizzard is the main reason we adore Night Elves so much. The savage huntress, the shapeshifting dreamer Druids, Faerie dragons, Treebeards (love it), is just beautiful creativity. If only more focus would be shed upon them, more cinematics, (Have yet to see true Night Elf cgi in years), would put them right on track on their rightful place as one of the franchise's greatest creations. Yes, even more so than Humans vs. Orcs.
When you realize Sylvanas pissed off so many fan favorite characters, started a Fourth War, abandoned the Horde and shattered the bind between life and death. All for nothing.
The tragedy was that burning Tel-drassil was something that Sylvanas should never have done from a story arc perspective, then they failed to elaborate on exactly what circumstances lent to this.
@@mrtianflo7728 They don't have to do that. They wanted to do that. There's a difference. Nothing forced them. They just want money from the book sales.
It was done from opne person even tho the whole writers room objectyed and he is no longer with the company. for that reason im ok with them slowly redeeming her
@@GraniteInTheFace Cute, so you're willing to make elune a bumbling sylvanas simp too to justify the BS? ELUNE a God, accidentally killed her own people for an artificial crisis that won't even affect the lore on azeroth considering shadowlands was some woke wet dream that's now about to get scrapped because of fan backlash. All those night elves dead because elune wanted to help but accidentally cause all those deaths did literally jack shit.
bfa started really interesting. But writers seemed to completely forget Teldrasill. It is a pity that all of the Shadowlands were built just to redeem Sylvanas. Really what Jaina, Thrall, or Bolvar did in this expansion? Even Tyrande didn't help fight the jailer
they didnt redeem sylvanas they absolutely destroyed her character, from these 2 shitty expansions crap story writing, she was a hero in Legion saved every one of those damn factons only for some shit fanbase writer to deface her and bliz allowed it f that
@@lordeli8866 Every single cutscene she appear brought her closer to Jailer's betrayal and redemption. Each of them was created only to show Sylvanas growing distrust of Jailer. Talk with Anduin, true about Nathanos death, her internal monologue. Anduin, Uther, Tyrande all of the Shadowlands were made just to redeem Sylvanas.
This video took a lot of work, in game scenes alone wow thank you for giving me the a ability to keep up with storylines that are precious to my hear when I don't have the time to commit to play the game and follow them
Sylvanas accomplished her goal, she opened the way to SL, got everyone to go in and make things right in the afterlife, used Anduin as both tool and bait because every powerful character had personal reason to want to save Anduin so rallied everybody again, ultimately manipulated her way into getting an afterlife she wanted ie not just saving nelf souls but literally all the souls unfairly condemned to the maw including the forsaken who died back in wrath, will reunite with Nathanos again. They actually wrote her to be the cunning mastermind antihero that ppl been crying for years that they ruined but like literally damn that is how they wrote her exactly as her original concept but on steroids.
@@Eloryan Even at the very end with Tyrande, Sylvanas says that true death would be mercy, even in her final scene of SL Sylvanas is trying to manipulate Tyrande into letting her go to the maw to make things right for all the souls there, and of course Tyrande goes for this because her nelf souls are down there, even Nathanos knew the end game because he knew that he was going to meet with Sylvanas again in the end as he rubbed it in Tyrande's face before she executed him, the whole salvation of the SL was ultimately led by Sylvanas who had to play both sides at the right times, I am still totally baffled why so many Sylvanas fans think they ruined her, they made her the most cunning 4D chess antihero in the entire history of the lore lol
Lady Sylvanas is smarter than most, her plans go over many heads and people think and theorize a lot, but in the end, she wins. She always wins. For the Forsaken. For the Queen.
That is so true! Most people still think that it was all for nothing but in the end Sylvanas got what she wanted. No more robot-arbiter, fair judgements for everyone in death and no more eternal damnation in the Maw. Sure, the burning of Teldrassil was rough but in the end the Jailer was stopped and everyone gets a fair deal in death and all the souls in the Maw will be saved. She might have been selfish because she didn't want the unfair fate of the lava ell and was terrified of such a fate but she also knew she was doing everyone an eternal favor in the end (I strongly doubt she would have gone through if it only benefited her). Kinda reminds me of Illidan, an "end justifies the means" person. Though Blizzard could have made this a bit more evident at the end, maybe then it wouldn't have been so much confusion. The true savior of SL. Still one of the best characters in WoW, hope we never lose her.
Hell, I have no idea what the original objective for Sylvanas even was. Seems to me she was butchered for no reason whatsoever. Also Greymane back home: *reads letter summarizing the events from Shadowlands* "What, Sylvanas was to be judged by her most fervent adversary....and she named Tyrande? That woman dares mocking me even during her trials?" *crumbles letter in anger and screams into the sky* "SYLVANAS!"
"And then, Genn Greymane, with a huff and puff, did exhale one last war cry, the name of the undead ranger whom he did so loathe, as he passed away into the night of strained vocal chords." And curtain!
They shelved the conflict between Genn and Sylvanas in favor of this....nonsense. It was all to chase greater "in the moment" drama. Perpetual yet unneeded escalation which seems to plague so much creative content lately. My investment in this story has slowly dried up over the last few years.
I'm not good on the lore as far as WoW is concerned, but in Reign of Chaos, Arthas turned her into a banshee just for the hell of it. There was no clear motive. I've replayed RoC and TFT campaigns lately and I understand a few more things clearly. Some annoying elf girl gave him trouble and he chose to never give her the peace of death as punishment. Simple as. During the undead campaign, Arthas was just straight up evil, pure and simple. It's just one of the wicked things he did during that campaign, and there were so many.Then they decided to build on her character in TFT, making her a full-fledged hero character, a vengeful hateful personality, and it worked. Was that their plan with her in the beginning? Who knows... Looking back at the campaigns, her original objective was most likely to be a tool to be used by the Lich king, as Ner'Zhul is speaking to Arthas through Frostmourne, he might have told him to turn her into a potential agent of the scourge. After all that's what he did with Arthas. He saw someone with potential and turned him to his side. And so, in practice, she did serve the scourge by overthrowing the dreadlords that ruled over the ruins of Lordaeron.
Tbh, without that community service, Nathanos' soul is doomed to the maw... And anyways, it's not like it's a much different fate than death. If she died, Sylvannas would just be one amongst so many other souls tormented in mega-hell. But here, she's still tormented in mega-hell whilst actually being able to help and free peoples from said mega-hell.
I find it incredibly cruel that it seems part of the cosmic plan to have had the tree burn in the first place. Elune had willed it. When you also consider she wasn’t whole when she committed these actions, her soul split and the essence of her humanity locked away…it just seems like bad writing to fridge her in the maw like this. I don’t think it was explored enough how nuanced this storyline should have been, they played with it by admitting the gods had a hand it alongside other things, however, they then flipped back to black and white punishment for a character that is more nuanced. It makes Tyrande also look like a fool, clinging to her hatred.
The thing is you need to see it from the perspective of a god, us as mortals can find it cruel all we wish. But when it comes to god or godlike entities we are nothing more than pawns in their grand game.
u know... I actually really love this arc. It came out better than expected in the end, and it shows that Tyrande is actually powerful and wise enough to choose forgiveness instead of revenge. The way she got through the anger she felt because she cares about her people so much... it's a good development for Tyrande. about Elune... She couldn't really save the night elves from the tragedy that struck them. The best thing she could do at the moment was lay them to sleep so they didn't suffer the burns, and send them to ardenweald so they could reincarnate, and also help the Winter Queen. She didn't know they would be sent to the Maw... She even cried knowing she actually condemned them. All of this, though, could have been presented and explained in a better way, I gotta admit. It does feel a little all over the place when everything feels so... vague. But, using my imagination, I feel like I could enjoy this story in my own way, and in my own headcanon xD. I also wish they explained wth it was that the Jailer told Sylvanas. Wtf did he mean by true freedom?
I'm not a WoW player, but I get the impression that most of the broad strokes of BFA-to-Shadowlands (incl. some Legion, and whatever is coming in Dragonwhatever) is stuff that might make enough sense in the planning stage, but doesn't get the in-game portrayal and reasoning that players can buy into it. Its just sensation after sensation that appears nonsensical. The characters' in writers' minds not matching what players either internally imagined (right or wrong) or actually experience exclusively in-game (and not uh, a novel, or audio play, or developer video interview). There is the sense that WoW only plans for the next year or two of swiftly changing patches/expansion, not really for the longer arcs (3-4 or more years) that they attempt to write for. Maybe they're wrong, but more and more fans find the novel releases to be a crutch to attempt to make up for weaknesses of the actual game's storytelling. That's a shame, especially as the novels can and will be up for being retconned anyway.
Love your shows :) I still love slyvannas :) even i played horde & alliance for 10 yrs. I met some great people around the world, some of them still my friends.
Its not getting in my head, how someone can love a char like sylvanas, who is on par with hitler, probably even exceeds him on multiple magnitudes. U crazy.
Always love to hear that! Met some of our closest friends over the many years of delving into the Warcraft franchise. Even in the old days of getting into vent and teamspeak. Time flies, but it was a great way to connect with people all over the world. Precious memories.
@@multivitamin9832 because it’s a video game not real life. I actually liked Sylvanas pre BFA but not anymore ever since they ruined the character so hard for me.
Greating, I am Calia Menethil, I will be your new CEO and I'll make sure to be up to my predecessor legacy, please don't mind all the minor restructurations, we'll make sure to make this place feel like a second home
At the end of the new book after she goes into the Maw to rescue the souls, she plans to search for his soul in there as well. In the last page there is a bit about her hearing the sound of familiar metal armor that brought her hope that she's never felt in a long time. It never explains what that sound is, but I'm assuming Nathanos?
Ok i get that sylvanas is accepting her fate because of what her fractured self did but how could tyrande not realize that shes no longer the banshee queen? She turned into the ranger general the moment her soul became whole again, did tyrande even notice that her eyes were now blue instead of red now? I know you're pissed but jesus i expected her to at least understand that shes talking to an entirely different person now
You didn't understand that. She's not the ranger general. She can see her deeds from the perspective of the old herself but the choices was always hers. Think about this ranger general in cinematic as a "snapshot" of her soul.
Its really a shame they utterly wasted Tyrande in this expansion and made Elune look like a callous dirt bag. I mean seriously, she kills 1 named Val'kyr, some random goons, and that's it.
@@nugget7865 Why turning reality into wow universe? Life in shadowland is enteral and how it ends there matters more in wow universe. Anyway in our universe, aboriginals in America and Canada got genocide but did the US and Canada got put out by the world as you suggest? See if the world can do the same to Russia.
@@jaczhen The aboriginals had no allies. There were, after the fact. powerless to enforce their will. For Russia, we would not put them on trial because first, Ukraine is not an ally. Second, they are powerful. If they invaded Poland, and committed GENOCIDE, or even true genocide in Ukraine, we would've initiated world war three to burn turn Russia into rubble. As of now, we still hold Russia accountable. Not make pretend nothing happened and all is forgiven, as was the story for the night elves. It actually makes me sick, not figuratively, but makes my stomach churn to think that an entire civilian population was massacred and nothing came of it. We as Alliance players are supposed to "forgive", and horde players are supposed to be okay with being complicit in such a heinous act without being given a choice to say no. Horde leaders also just "followed orders". Even the post SL cutscene between Genn and Theron mentioned that. What do you think happened to war leaders in the Nuremburg trials for leaders of the Nazi regime? We hanged them all.
Soooooo... Elune did not help the nigth elves and Teldrassil, because she thougth that they spirit will go to the Shadowlands and help her sister aka the Winter Queen and the drying out Ardenweald, but the Jailer stepped in? Damn.. imagine if that two could talk with eachother on phone or something
@@Alolan.Vulpix.Getting.Railed basically he wants to sleep with an elf who most likely smells horrible. These guys don't actually think about these characters. They see pretty faces and assume good hygiene. "She can get it" is a thuggish (born from simp aka weak men logic) way of saying she's attractive and they want to sleep with it.
I don't understand how peoples can expect answers from the peoples they actually strangling. Like, they don't get that it prevent them from speaking? question, now that the Forsaken know that there is a after life and that there is a Arbiter that will judge them compassionately, why not go there and get a chance at renewal? surely, that's bound to be better than stuck in a unatural state in a rotting body.
@@cameronmcewen9666 I kind of joked about that awhile back, like what's his excuse? Also I am sure he'll be a good guy. He was already hesitant about her actions, and now he's spending some time seeing the consequences of them.
Just love Night Elves in general. The savage, alternative take on the overdone Elf cliche is just so well done with Night Elf lore, that wish Blizzard would focus more on them. They really have a great potential to be figureheads of the franchise as one of their more iconic creations.
@@Athelarius I just wish Blizzard would do better with the night elves. They're a > 10,000-year-old race with some of the most powerful and long-lasting leadership, after the Draenei, but they're always treated like hot garbage in the story so humans or orcs can shine. The night elves SHOULD be great. I love their aesthetic and their history, but Blizzard always does them dirty.
I think misses Teapots (aka Tyrande) needs to take some deep breaths when she encounters Sylvanas in ardenweald. Plus, I think Sylvanas would like to keep her head, so I feel like it would be beneficial to all of them if Tyrande calmed down and DIDN'T take Sylvanas's head. I mean, I wouldn't want MY head taken, so why would someone take Sylvanas's? I'm just saying it's not very nice to remove someones head, is all. Anyways, have a nice day everyone, I gotta go. Bye! -Penelope P.S: Anyone else here a huge fan of Jaina and Sylvanas? I just want you to know I made up a whole song about how awesome Jaina is, and I'm working on one for Sylvanas. I called the song about Jaina the 'I Love Jaina song'. I'm not sure what I'll call the Sylvanas one when it's finished, though. Or maybe I am... Perhaps I could call it the 'I Love Sylvanas song'... Anyways, bye and have a nice day (or night), I'm off to write some more stories about a character I created that was themed off of Sylvanas. Her name is Sylva, and I'm helping run a dnd campaign that takes place in the world of Azeroth. Bye! -PAN
A character written so badly. I will never server because I was enslaved by Authus. Now that I'm free I'll make sure none of my poeple are enslaved again. Wait, jailer? Yeah I'll serve him. I will never serve! Yeah, great storytelling there.
I still remember Teldrassil burning and Tyrande saving her useless Malf and escapes, leaving her people behind. XD And Velen, who is nearby and does nothing.
There are draenei evacuating people through portals, but they are few, and Velen was in Stormwind, not in the Exodar. In addition it is not officially he who directs, but the council of the exarchs
Even for a game, that whole attack was dumb on so many lvls. But WOW storyline went to shit from TBC, so nothing new there. Bunch of useless "champions" on both sides.
1. Nope. Calia had a Husband and a child, both of whom she lost sight of and wants to find again. I don´t see her hooking up with Derek before knowing if her family lives, eventhough he seems willing. 2. I think they are setting her up to lead some kind of "Alliance Forsaken". Lillian talks about helping those who died, but never mentioned that she wishes Calia to lead them. The first ones that "need help" seen are, suspiciously enough, dead elves (night and blood/high). So I think they are giving us the "next" race by making it possible to have different types of forsaken (alliance or horde and possibly all races undead or just elves for now). Pretty sure its just elves and eventhough it seems stupid to me, I guess they will finally give us the Ranger Class (Standard and Dark).
I'm so curious is there no being that could make sylvannas completely ressurected as living ? Instead of undead ? Could Elune or Azeroth hold so much power ?
I think the title of the video is misleading. It is really a Tyrande story or boring alliance stuff. The Alliance always gets to be evil when it is convenient in the story, but never suffers the consequences of their actions or inactions.
@@silveri7712 but it should have been. It's what could have happened instead of them just saying that it was the only thing left of him. They as the writes could have done great things but they didn't..
You mean its a tragedy what they did and alienated part of their fans with such a crappy ending? Yes, quite so, a shining example on how not to write characters, should be taught on universities imo.
@@MOo8996cz I don't think so. No soul goes directly to the maw iirc, so she would go to revendreth. If she could find redemption there for her crimes, she wouldn't go to the maw. I might be misremembering, but I think from Revendreth you could ascend to the other covenants as well, no? Meaning that she could technically join any of them. This is why Uther throwing Arthas into the Maw was seen as something so bad, because there was a chance of redemption, and Uther couldn't handle it.
@@Smithington_ So, by that logic, Sylvanas going into the Maw despite Tyrande's orders means Sylvanas won't be redeemed and Tyrande essentially just sent Sylvanas on a suicide mission masked as "redemption" Say what you will, but the Alliance really is just as cruel as the Horde is.
We understood that Danuser was not going to kill his favorite character He bluntly turned the game's story around so it could have redemption. And in the lot, he was even able to burn Teldrassil for no good reason since it just didn't bring anything concrete to the story and we're not going to hear about it anymore. :)
Whenever I see comments of people saying the characters/plot were not well written and give no explanation why they have that opinion, I cant help but think "yeah, I want to see you do better, write a book and let us judge."
They also don't factor in the inner turmoil at blizzard during this expansion and its still going on. Crunched and stressed employees don't produce the work audiences want. Even with my issues with decisions made, this expansion helped me through a lot of mental health stuff.
Because all undead went to the maw by default. They never got a chance at being selected by the arbiter for an afterlife. Not even for maldraxxus or revendreth where redemption was possible, or if they were turned undead against their will. They literally got screwed to purgatory over something that wasn't their fault
@@PandaMonium92827 That's a false assumption. Arthas' soul wasn't going straight for the Maw. Uther threw him there. Kel'Thuzad's soul wasn't going to the Maw either. He was assigned to Maldraxxus. Same with Alexandros Mograine.
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"It was all for nothing."
- Pretty much every major character in WoW.
Gotta keep milking the franchise! All onboard the eternal grind until the eventual remake cycle starts it all again.
For what it's worth, I love Tyrande's voicelines in Shadowlands. The raw ferocity is so thrilling to listen to. When I did the 'summon Elune' quest ingame, the music and her lines sent chills down my spine. I'm glad we got to see her use more Elune magic akin to her WC3 ult Starfall, it was the coolest spell in the game. However, her character arc was never written from her perspective, all her stories were from PoV of Sylvanas, Anduin, Varian, Malfurion, Illidan.
Will love Night Elves forever. The savage, alternative take on the overdone Elf cliche by Blizzard is the main reason we adore Night Elves so much. The savage huntress, the shapeshifting dreamer Druids, Faerie dragons, Treebeards (love it), is just beautiful creativity. If only more focus would be shed upon them, more cinematics, (Have yet to see true Night Elf cgi in years), would put them right on track on their rightful place as one of the franchise's greatest creations. Yes, even more so than Humans vs. Orcs.
@@Athelarius AGREED! I was so captivated my that one night elf in the Vanilla cinematic. We need more!
Her voice actress is so talented!
@@Athelarius i know this is way late but i thought sylvanas was a high elf before she got turned into a banshee
@@giroe yes she was, tyrande is a night elf though lmfao
When you realize Sylvanas pissed off so many fan favorite characters, started a Fourth War, abandoned the Horde and shattered the bind between life and death. All for nothing.
And now she’s being punished for it.
@@cameronmcewen9666 you cant punish a queen
@@bulkathos5207 It’s what’s happening in WoW.
@@bulkathos5207 She is no queen anymore since BFA's end !
@@Eloryan once a queen always a queen!
The tragedy was that burning Tel-drassil was something that Sylvanas should never have done from a story arc perspective, then they failed to elaborate on exactly what circumstances lent to this.
Unfortunately they have to answer it all in the book and not the game
@@mrtianflo7728 They don't have to do that. They wanted to do that. There's a difference. Nothing forced them. They just want money from the book sales.
She needed more souls
It was done from opne person even tho the whole writers room objectyed and he is no longer with the company. for that reason im ok with them slowly redeeming her
@@GraniteInTheFace Cute, so you're willing to make elune a bumbling sylvanas simp too to justify the BS?
ELUNE a God, accidentally killed her own people for an artificial crisis that won't even affect the lore on azeroth considering shadowlands was some woke wet dream that's now about to get scrapped because of fan backlash. All those night elves dead because elune wanted to help but accidentally cause all those deaths did literally jack shit.
bfa started really interesting. But writers seemed to completely forget Teldrasill.
It is a pity that all of the Shadowlands were built just to redeem Sylvanas. Really what Jaina, Thrall, or Bolvar did in this expansion? Even Tyrande didn't help fight the jailer
And what about Arthas?
His whole screentime was 0 seconds if you discount the wisp that turned into 35 anima.
Teldrassil was not interesting, it was disgusting.
Hmhm
they didnt redeem sylvanas they absolutely destroyed her character, from these 2 shitty expansions crap story writing, she was a hero in Legion saved every one of those damn factons only for some shit fanbase writer to deface her and bliz allowed it f that
@@lordeli8866 Every single cutscene she appear brought her closer to Jailer's betrayal and redemption. Each of them was created only to show Sylvanas growing distrust of Jailer. Talk with Anduin, true about Nathanos death, her internal monologue. Anduin, Uther, Tyrande all of the Shadowlands were made just to redeem Sylvanas.
This video took a lot of work, in game scenes alone wow thank you for giving me the a ability to keep up with storylines that are precious to my hear when I don't have the time to commit to play the game and follow them
Sylvanas accomplished her goal, she opened the way to SL, got everyone to go in and make things right in the afterlife, used Anduin as both tool and bait because every powerful character had personal reason to want to save Anduin so rallied everybody again, ultimately manipulated her way into getting an afterlife she wanted ie not just saving nelf souls but literally all the souls unfairly condemned to the maw including the forsaken who died back in wrath, will reunite with Nathanos again. They actually wrote her to be the cunning mastermind antihero that ppl been crying for years that they ruined but like literally damn that is how they wrote her exactly as her original concept but on steroids.
I like this point of view. In a way it's true ! That did what she wanted after all.
@@Eloryan Even at the very end with Tyrande, Sylvanas says that true death would be mercy, even in her final scene of SL Sylvanas is trying to manipulate Tyrande into letting her go to the maw to make things right for all the souls there, and of course Tyrande goes for this because her nelf souls are down there, even Nathanos knew the end game because he knew that he was going to meet with Sylvanas again in the end as he rubbed it in Tyrande's face before she executed him, the whole salvation of the SL was ultimately led by Sylvanas who had to play both sides at the right times, I am still totally baffled why so many Sylvanas fans think they ruined her, they made her the most cunning 4D chess antihero in the entire history of the lore lol
Lady Sylvanas is smarter than most, her plans go over many heads and people think and theorize a lot, but in the end, she wins.
She always wins.
For the Forsaken. For the Queen.
That is so true! Most people still think that it was all for nothing but in the end Sylvanas got what she wanted. No more robot-arbiter, fair judgements for everyone in death and no more eternal damnation in the Maw. Sure, the burning of Teldrassil was rough but in the end the Jailer was stopped and everyone gets a fair deal in death and all the souls in the Maw will be saved. She might have been selfish because she didn't want the unfair fate of the lava ell and was terrified of such a fate but she also knew she was doing everyone an eternal favor in the end (I strongly doubt she would have gone through if it only benefited her). Kinda reminds me of Illidan, an "end justifies the means" person. Though Blizzard could have made this a bit more evident at the end, maybe then it wouldn't have been so much confusion. The true savior of SL. Still one of the best characters in WoW, hope we never lose her.
Hell, I have no idea what the original objective for Sylvanas even was. Seems to me she was butchered for no reason whatsoever.
Also Greymane back home: *reads letter summarizing the events from Shadowlands* "What, Sylvanas was to be judged by her most fervent adversary....and she named Tyrande? That woman dares mocking me even during her trials?"
*crumbles letter in anger and screams into the sky*
"SYLVANAS!"
Spoilers from the novel without any context.
Lava eel vore is all I can say.
@@alephniguroth7105 did you read the last book?
"And then, Genn Greymane, with a huff and puff, did exhale one last war cry, the name of the undead ranger whom he did so loathe, as he passed away into the night of strained vocal chords." And curtain!
They shelved the conflict between Genn and Sylvanas in favor of this....nonsense. It was all to chase greater "in the moment" drama. Perpetual yet unneeded escalation which seems to plague so much creative content lately. My investment in this story has slowly dried up over the last few years.
I'm not good on the lore as far as WoW is concerned, but in Reign of Chaos, Arthas turned her into a banshee just for the hell of it. There was no clear motive. I've replayed RoC and TFT campaigns lately and I understand a few more things clearly. Some annoying elf girl gave him trouble and he chose to never give her the peace of death as punishment. Simple as. During the undead campaign, Arthas was just straight up evil, pure and simple. It's just one of the wicked things he did during that campaign, and there were so many.Then they decided to build on her character in TFT, making her a full-fledged hero character, a vengeful hateful personality, and it worked. Was that their plan with her in the beginning? Who knows...
Looking back at the campaigns, her original objective was most likely to be a tool to be used by the Lich king, as Ner'Zhul is speaking to Arthas through Frostmourne, he might have told him to turn her into a potential agent of the scourge. After all that's what he did with Arthas. He saw someone with potential and turned him to his side. And so, in practice, she did serve the scourge by overthrowing the dreadlords that ruled over the ruins of Lordaeron.
Tyrande gave Nathanos death penalty and Sylvanas a life sentence of community service.
I mean death is more merciful than being a slave. And I hope Sylvanas never comes back
Nathanos got lucky
Tbh, without that community service, Nathanos' soul is doomed to the maw... And anyways, it's not like it's a much different fate than death. If she died, Sylvannas would just be one amongst so many other souls tormented in mega-hell. But here, she's still tormented in mega-hell whilst actually being able to help and free peoples from said mega-hell.
Sylvanas is probably the most tragic Character in all of WoW history. And Arthas the most important.
Well, with the terrible writing that is SL, th Jailer is the most important since he manipulated Ner-zul that manipulated Arthas.
Yeah her story is tragically shit. You're right about Arthas, tho.
I find it incredibly cruel that it seems part of the cosmic plan to have had the tree burn in the first place. Elune had willed it. When you also consider she wasn’t whole when she committed these actions, her soul split and the essence of her humanity locked away…it just seems like bad writing to fridge her in the maw like this. I don’t think it was explored enough how nuanced this storyline should have been, they played with it by admitting the gods had a hand it alongside other things, however, they then flipped back to black and white punishment for a character that is more nuanced. It makes Tyrande also look like a fool, clinging to her hatred.
This is the type of comment I like, you present the problems instead of just saying "yatayata this is horrible"
The thing is you need to see it from the perspective of a god, us as mortals can find it cruel all we wish. But when it comes to god or godlike entities we are nothing more than pawns in their grand game.
really cool to play this game for so long as the horde and realize Blizz finally just gave up and made you the bad guys
Strong quote: " we cannot change the past, and we may never find forgiveness in the future... Inaction damn us all"
blah blah blah PAST, blah blah blah FUTURE, something something US ALL.
@@TeacherDoug7Fr lol
u know... I actually really love this arc. It came out better than expected in the end, and it shows that Tyrande is actually powerful and wise enough to choose forgiveness instead of revenge. The way she got through the anger she felt because she cares about her people so much... it's a good development for Tyrande.
about Elune... She couldn't really save the night elves from the tragedy that struck them. The best thing she could do at the moment was lay them to sleep so they didn't suffer the burns, and send them to ardenweald so they could reincarnate, and also help the Winter Queen. She didn't know they would be sent to the Maw... She even cried knowing she actually condemned them.
All of this, though, could have been presented and explained in a better way, I gotta admit. It does feel a little all over the place when everything feels so... vague. But, using my imagination, I feel like I could enjoy this story in my own way, and in my own headcanon xD. I also wish they explained wth it was that the Jailer told Sylvanas. Wtf did he mean by true freedom?
I'm not a WoW player, but I get the impression that most of the broad strokes of BFA-to-Shadowlands (incl. some Legion, and whatever is coming in Dragonwhatever) is stuff that might make enough sense in the planning stage, but doesn't get the in-game portrayal and reasoning that players can buy into it. Its just sensation after sensation that appears nonsensical. The characters' in writers' minds not matching what players either internally imagined (right or wrong) or actually experience exclusively in-game (and not uh, a novel, or audio play, or developer video interview). There is the sense that WoW only plans for the next year or two of swiftly changing patches/expansion, not really for the longer arcs (3-4 or more years) that they attempt to write for.
Maybe they're wrong, but more and more fans find the novel releases to be a crutch to attempt to make up for weaknesses of the actual game's storytelling. That's a shame, especially as the novels can and will be up for being retconned anyway.
@@SwobyJ you're totally right, the portrayal of the stoy in the game and what the writers probably imagined, i think are 2 whole different things :(
Sylvanas is the best character in Warcraft ever
She's had the most badass cinematics I've ever seen for sure, though the entire Jailer arc is a BS and a flop.
I hope Sylvanas at least finds her little pogchamp Nathanos in the maw, so they can go on their wacky, completely filled with darkness adventures.
"It was all for nothing."- Pretty much every major character in WoW.. i cant believe that Tyrande still has faith toward Elune.
Gracias, estaba buscando esta historia desde hace semanas. ♥️
You have no idea how long I wanted to see Tyrande and Sylvanas fight.
Sylvanas would eat her alive
Love your shows :) I still love slyvannas :) even i played horde & alliance for 10 yrs. I met some great people around the world, some of them still my friends.
Its not getting in my head, how someone can love a char like sylvanas, who is on par with hitler, probably even exceeds him on multiple magnitudes. U crazy.
You love sylvanas because you like most american women hate accountability
@@multivitamin9832 Now go after Palpatine fans
Always love to hear that! Met some of our closest friends over the many years of delving into the Warcraft franchise. Even in the old days of getting into vent and teamspeak. Time flies, but it was a great way to connect with people all over the world. Precious memories.
@@multivitamin9832 because it’s a video game not real life. I actually liked Sylvanas pre BFA but not anymore ever since they ruined the character so hard for me.
i cant believe that Tyrande still has faith toward Elune
Turns out elune was also a simp for sylvanas.
Turns out Elune was right about not killing Sylvanas, now she will help save all the Kaldorei in the maw.
@@jpch8814 Turns out theres still simps for shadowlands too
Hey, I heard Teldrassil is a pretty good spot to go during the winter since its quite warm there.
You should go in September that's the best time of year and there's not too many tourists.
@@KnicksNYanks84 Would you say its to "unalive" for? (I cant say the three letter word or else babytube deletes the comment)
Greating, I am Calia Menethil, I will be your new CEO and I'll make sure to be up to my predecessor legacy, please don't mind all the minor restructurations, we'll make sure to make this place feel like a second home
No word where Nathanos soul went after he was killed.
Hopefully the trashcan with Steve Danuser's career.
At the end of the new book after she goes into the Maw to rescue the souls, she plans to search for his soul in there as well. In the last page there is a bit about her hearing the sound of familiar metal armor that brought her hope that she's never felt in a long time. It never explains what that sound is, but I'm assuming Nathanos?
“Night warrior. I expected more.”
Why the hell does the way Sylvanas looks when saying this turn me on?
Shes.... undead..... she's DEAD AND DOES...NOT..BATHE...
Man you people ruin everything.
Because she's an idealized female with a competent voice actor
Ok i get that sylvanas is accepting her fate because of what her fractured self did but how could tyrande not realize that shes no longer the banshee queen? She turned into the ranger general the moment her soul became whole again, did tyrande even notice that her eyes were now blue instead of red now? I know you're pissed but jesus i expected her to at least understand that shes talking to an entirely different person now
You didn't understand that. She's not the ranger general. She can see her deeds from the perspective of the old herself but the choices was always hers. Think about this ranger general in cinematic as a "snapshot" of her soul.
Its really a shame they utterly wasted Tyrande in this expansion and made Elune look like a callous dirt bag. I mean seriously, she kills 1 named Val'kyr, some random goons, and that's it.
The storyline of kardorei’s tragedy started high but end low. However it is still one of my favourite stories
How? There were just forgotten. Genocide for nothing. In reality we would have put the entire horde council that led such an event to the sword.
@@nugget7865 Why turning reality into wow universe? Life in shadowland is enteral and how it ends there matters more in wow universe. Anyway in our universe, aboriginals in America and Canada got genocide but did the US and Canada got put out by the world as you suggest? See if the world can do the same to Russia.
@@jaczhen The aboriginals had no allies. There were, after the fact. powerless to enforce their will. For Russia, we would not put them on trial because first, Ukraine is not an ally. Second, they are powerful. If they invaded Poland, and committed GENOCIDE, or even true genocide in Ukraine, we would've initiated world war three to burn turn Russia into rubble. As of now, we still hold Russia accountable. Not make pretend nothing happened and all is forgiven, as was the story for the night elves. It actually makes me sick, not figuratively, but makes my stomach churn to think that an entire civilian population was massacred and nothing came of it. We as Alliance players are supposed to "forgive", and horde players are supposed to be okay with being complicit in such a heinous act without being given a choice to say no. Horde leaders also just "followed orders". Even the post SL cutscene between Genn and Theron mentioned that. What do you think happened to war leaders in the Nuremburg trials for leaders of the Nazi regime? We hanged them all.
The way Sylvanas looked at her sisters before jumping in the Maw... 😭
That was really something that will stick with me
THE ENDING SOUNDTRACK !! I NEED IT
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Ysera's Rebirth!
i really enjoy this thank you.
Always love to hear. May we see more Night Elf lore and action in the future. Personal Warcraft favorite!
i beg to see her again soon in this game lol
Soooooo... Elune did not help the nigth elves and Teldrassil, because she thougth that they spirit will go to the Shadowlands and help her sister aka the Winter Queen and the drying out Ardenweald, but the Jailer stepped in? Damn.. imagine if that two could talk with eachother on phone or something
Tyrande: When you're a Cleric and you Multiclass into GloomStalker
I don't care much about the lore anymore but Tyrande can get it.
what do you mean she can get it?
@@Alolan.Vulpix.Getting.Railed basically he wants to sleep with an elf who most likely smells horrible. These guys don't actually think about these characters. They see pretty faces and assume good hygiene.
"She can get it" is a thuggish (born from simp aka weak men logic) way of saying she's attractive and they want to sleep with it.
14:58 maw walker, aid me
meanwhile : im dead ;3
"Stop, stop, he's already dead!"
I don't understand how peoples can expect answers from the peoples they actually strangling. Like, they don't get that it prevent them from speaking?
question, now that the Forsaken know that there is a after life and that there is a Arbiter that will judge them compassionately, why not go there and get a chance at renewal? surely, that's bound to be better than stuck in a unatural state in a rotting body.
The way Sylvanas said, "Nathanos?" meant that Sylvanas actually loved him.
you need help
@@dogbogxrekt he's just passionate about this game and its lore (which is very rare considering even the devs aren't, at this point of the story...)
you should check out the sylvanas book, it's so sad how most fans miss out on so much context that would be better suited for everyone in game.
How will it go down when they reunite? She’d hit him for being proud of his own actions.
@@cameronmcewen9666 I kind of joked about that awhile back, like what's his excuse?
Also I am sure he'll be a good guy. He was already hesitant about her actions, and now he's spending some time seeing the consequences of them.
Tegridy of Sylvanas and Tyrande
Interesting horde side quest at the end.
These cinematics are intriguing.
Long live the Dark Lady
Sylvanas Windrunner is a friend of mine. We shop at antique stores now and then. She likes the vintage lace tablecloths.
So who is gonna pay Sylvannas back for being killed and enslaved by the Lich King?...
Love Tyrande. The best character of all the fucking game!
probably because its a female elf
@@WitheringZealot eing? What is the relation of that?
Just love Night Elves in general. The savage, alternative take on the overdone Elf cliche is just so well done with Night Elf lore, that wish Blizzard would focus more on them. They really have a great potential to be figureheads of the franchise as one of their more iconic creations.
@@Athelarius Too bad they always get fucked over by the writers.
@@Athelarius I just wish Blizzard would do better with the night elves. They're a > 10,000-year-old race with some of the most powerful and long-lasting leadership, after the Draenei, but they're always treated like hot garbage in the story so humans or orcs can shine.
The night elves SHOULD be great. I love their aesthetic and their history, but Blizzard always does them dirty.
I think misses Teapots (aka Tyrande) needs to take some deep breaths when she encounters Sylvanas in ardenweald. Plus, I think Sylvanas would like to keep her head, so I feel like it would be beneficial to all of them if Tyrande calmed down and DIDN'T take Sylvanas's head. I mean, I wouldn't want MY head taken, so why would someone take Sylvanas's? I'm just saying it's not very nice to remove someones head, is all. Anyways, have a nice day everyone, I gotta go. Bye! -Penelope
P.S: Anyone else here a huge fan of Jaina and Sylvanas? I just want you to know I made up a whole song about how awesome Jaina is, and I'm working on one for Sylvanas. I called the song about Jaina the 'I Love Jaina song'. I'm not sure what I'll call the Sylvanas one when it's finished, though. Or maybe I am... Perhaps I could call it the 'I Love Sylvanas song'... Anyways, bye and have a nice day (or night), I'm off to write some more stories about a character I created that was themed off of Sylvanas. Her name is Sylva, and I'm helping run a dnd campaign that takes place in the world of Azeroth. Bye! -PAN
Ah, a fellow Sylvaina shipper i see ✌️
throw arthas' soul into maw is a very bad idea.
14:59 "Maw walker, aid me!"
*Dead*
Rofl
I like the fight between 2 different Elves.
Good video TY
Where is the scene of Sylvanas' soul fragment reuniting with her body?
Imagine if Sylvanas defeated Arthas when they first met.
When Tyrande asks you, "Where is she?" You better answer her and fast!
A character written so badly. I will never server because I was enslaved by Authus. Now that I'm free I'll make sure none of my poeple are enslaved again. Wait, jailer? Yeah I'll serve him. I will never serve!
Yeah, great storytelling there.
Talkyntha is a great name. I like.
For Teldrassil!
Главный Герой всего Варкрафта Это Сильвана Ветрокрылая !
Lillian voss starter quest bud and now leader of forsaken refugees i am very proud even for a npc.
Nathanos had by far the best voiceactor :)
I still remember Teldrassil burning and Tyrande saving her useless Malf and escapes, leaving her people behind. XD And Velen, who is nearby and does nothing.
She didn't Scape... She search a big power to save her people. I think you need to do all the quests again.
@@zedaluna6 she literally used a hearthstone to flee from there...
Better to live and save your remaining people than die and let your remaining people be homeless and die too
There are draenei evacuating people through portals, but they are few, and Velen was in Stormwind, not in the Exodar.
In addition it is not officially he who directs, but the council of the exarchs
Even for a game, that whole attack was dumb on so many lvls. But WOW storyline went to shit from TBC, so nothing new there. Bunch of useless "champions" on both sides.
By far the Night Warrior questline finally gives makes the Nelfs the badasses they were
Don’t call them nelves!
@@cameronmcewen9666 i didnt i called them nelFs
Where is Nathanos?
Sylvanas will find his soul in the maw for sure
@@Eloryan And then beat the living daylights out of him for showing no remorse.
@@cameronmcewen9666 wtf no 🤨
@@Eloryan It’s happening. No point in throwing temper tantrums.
@@cameronmcewen9666 🤷🏻♂️
So an heir of Menethil, and a Proudmoore Consort return to rule Lordaeron?
Nope.
1. Nope.
Calia had a Husband and a child, both of whom she lost sight of and wants to find again. I don´t see her hooking up with Derek before knowing if her family lives, eventhough he seems willing.
2. I think they are setting her up to lead some kind of "Alliance Forsaken".
Lillian talks about helping those who died, but never mentioned that she wishes Calia to lead them. The first ones that "need help" seen are, suspiciously enough, dead elves (night and blood/high). So I think they are giving us the "next" race by making it possible to have different types of forsaken (alliance or horde and possibly all races undead or just elves for now).
Pretty sure its just elves and eventhough it seems stupid to me, I guess they will finally give us the Ranger Class (Standard and Dark).
The ranger woman is starting to vex me greatly...
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I'm so curious is there no being that could make sylvannas completely ressurected as living ? Instead of undead ? Could Elune or Azeroth hold so much power ?
Her plot armor is thicker than the world tree.
Can someone enlighten me since when does Tyrande look like as a Vampire? What are those k9s?
Elves have fangs. All elves. At the beginning elves were trolls, the tusks turned into fangs as they evolved toward elvenhood.
Choose your side Alliance or Horde
should her story have finally come to an end.
off topic but whats the name of the song that plays at the end of the video?
I love Sylvannas VS Tyrande Part
Two Woman Fighting, just love it ❤️
Yes but no.
did arthas also killed his father people and mentor and destroyed his kingdom.
when he was corrupted by frostmourne.
I think the title of the video is misleading. It is really a Tyrande story or boring alliance stuff. The Alliance always gets to be evil when it is convenient in the story, but never suffers the consequences of their actions or inactions.
i like the scene when she becames a patriot Missile
"I lose? That can't be right. [reads script] I get another shot. I get another shot!" [everyone reads script] "He does."
Bring back Garrosh, Arthas, and Illidan. Let one of them get the job done with a clean slash to end Sylvanas.
The only tragedy with Tyrande is the lore writters.
It sure would be nice if your title and the content matched. You started at BFA? That's skipping 7 expansions and a couple games.
Tyrande had great character development. She went from trying to murder Sylvanas to finding redemption within her and sentencing Sylvanas.
She will forgive sylvanas soon
@@dokidoki9851 You’d have to be a mental defective who praises Hitler and Putin to think that.
No I don't think so
I hope Sylvanas has a better lore on next WOW, they Make Sylvanas as Bad Character since BFA...
God Warcraft has gone off the rails.
Blizzard did my Queen dirty. She deserves to escape the Maw and return to the Undead.
and arthas he deserves redemption.
They did both her and Arthas dirty, if you ask me.
Thought it was sylvanas vs. tyranids
Shadowland writers need to be fired, the ending was ass
Winter Queen is such a babe, even Elune also, I imagine.
Nice video, but I still think Danuser killed my favorite characters by his bad writing.
The team that was handling the story of WoW in this expansion did a very poor job.
Poor sentinels, they dont deserved it
Sylvanas' punishment should've been Arthas' as well.
There's nothing left or Arthas. His soul was destroyed at the end of the raid.
@@silveri7712 but it should have been. It's what could have happened instead of them just saying that it was the only thing left of him. They as the writes could have done great things but they didn't..
No
yes.
So, five bucks says Elune is actually a careless god and Tyrande becomes the big bad of the next expansion
Forsaken's justice
THERE IS NO HONOR IN THIS!
You mean its a tragedy what they did and alienated part of their fans with such a crappy ending? Yes, quite so, a shining example on how not to write characters, should be taught on universities imo.
the term "ALL" is used pretty loosely here.
In the end, Sylvanas got to technically live. Lol
That’s worse than death.
Considering she would undoubtedly go to the maw in death anyway, not really
@@MOo8996cz I don't think so. No soul goes directly to the maw iirc, so she would go to revendreth. If she could find redemption there for her crimes, she wouldn't go to the maw. I might be misremembering, but I think from Revendreth you could ascend to the other covenants as well, no? Meaning that she could technically join any of them. This is why Uther throwing Arthas into the Maw was seen as something so bad, because there was a chance of redemption, and Uther couldn't handle it.
@@Smithington_ So, by that logic, Sylvanas going into the Maw despite Tyrande's orders means Sylvanas won't be redeemed and Tyrande essentially just sent Sylvanas on a suicide mission masked as "redemption"
Say what you will, but the Alliance really is just as cruel as the Horde is.
We understood that Danuser was not going to kill his favorite character
He bluntly turned the game's story around so it could have redemption.
And in the lot, he was even able to burn Teldrassil for no good reason since it just didn't bring anything concrete to the story and we're not going to hear about it anymore. :)
Why did she try to choke out an Undead ?!?!?!
Call me a perv but sylvanas got that certain allure.
#comebacksylvanas
Sylvanas was hotter when she was alive.
I liked her better with her midriff exposed.
You guys are basically saying if hitler was a female elf you'd bone him. Very disturbing individuals
@@WitheringZealot Is Hitler female?
Whenever I see comments of people saying the characters/plot were not well written and give no explanation why they have that opinion, I cant help but think "yeah, I want to see you do better, write a book and let us judge."
They also don't factor in the inner turmoil at blizzard during this expansion and its still going on. Crunched and stressed employees don't produce the work audiences want.
Even with my issues with decisions made, this expansion helped me through a lot of mental health stuff.
If being undead is so bad and they cannot "undo" it, why not just walk into a fire and end it?
Because all undead went to the maw by default. They never got a chance at being selected by the arbiter for an afterlife. Not even for maldraxxus or revendreth where redemption was possible, or if they were turned undead against their will. They literally got screwed to purgatory over something that wasn't their fault
@@PandaMonium92827 That's a false assumption. Arthas' soul wasn't going straight for the Maw. Uther threw him there. Kel'Thuzad's soul wasn't going to the Maw either. He was assigned to Maldraxxus. Same with Alexandros Mograine.