Asmon is actually very good at explaining mechanics of boss fights and what to do. Memes and ballbusting aside, when he talks about the game you can tell he loves it and loves talking about it. It’s a massive indictment on blizzard that Asmon doesn’t even care about the game anymore beyond clipping his streams into hardcore death compilation reactions. Hats off on that end though, I couldn’t watch this much WoW content without having the compulsion to play…
@@Simplemalkno he means when asmon uploads new videos of hardcore deaths which are i believe current lmao. When you grind a game like he did for like 20 years, you kinda remember that shit forever😂😂
I tried Warmane and the players there seem to treat ICC like it’s just another RDF. So seeing this reaction took me by surprise as the community there see this as a walk in the park. Toxic community though sadly.
is this doable without addons? yes.. but not in the gear they currently have, did you see how fast the stuns went out on valkyrs? 3 different valkyrs and not a wasted stun, addon instantly marked the valkyrs and raiders targeted the one they were assigned to
@@SuperJake9000 Indeed, because they have literally been doing ICC since 2011 when it was fully implemented, I was doing it back then before the server merged with arena-wow and turned into warmane, we cleared 25hc every week no fail, they've been grinding since then, I can guarantee any of the active raiding guilds can just clear this raid on 25hc while watching a movie
@@winsku id love to see those guys do what progress did on live, warmanes fastest speedrun is the same time as progress but guess what? Theyre in full icc bis..
Killing the Lich King the first time with my guild was one of the best experiences in wow, and it was the last time I enjoyed PvE. The conclusion to Arthas' story was awesome to witness having played Warcraft 3, and built up to it in WoW. I love melee SV hunter now, but explosive shot, black arrow.. the way ranged SV worked was so fun, and I'm sad it isn't at least more like that for MM now.
I was in a 25 man guild, we were going to kill the Lich King that raid night. My ex made me go to some awful show, they killed it, and never went back.
Important to note that back them esports was not really that big of a thing yet. Most guilds had a non meta group full of underperforming classes with the wrong professions. And yeah like he said computers and internet connexions are much better now. I'd say in 2010 computers were starting to be good but i remember when we were doing Molten Core one of our healer had to heal while facing the wall cause when he was putting his camera toward the raid he was lagging so much it was a slideshow.
Also there just weren't nearly as many people that raided back then compared to now. 90%+ of classic players are raiding and are geared, where back then not even 50% of the server would have raid gear and tons of guilds would still be a full raid tier behind everyone.
@@Tooamazin oh for sure. But it's still kind of how it is on retail. Difference is now you need only 20 people instead of 40 but even 20 is starting to be problematic if you are a casual guild you'll always carry 5-7 players easily. But in a 40 players back then easily half the raid was geared in blues and did not know how to play but you had no choice to carry them cause on many servers it was the only way to fill the group. I don't remember in classic back in 2004-2005 being in a raid group where there was not at least a couple of players who had a few blues items equipped and were running around like a chicken without a head.
Players were worse / for fun , People had worse computers and addons weren´t what they are now with weakauras playing your character for you. You get big Letter pop ups every timer in existance without having to look around the room and having situational awerness making the game considerably easier and more brain dead
reminds me of the horrors of Pugging back in classic...today's PUGs are nowhere near as bad and still people will leave after 1 or 2 bosses just because or after 1 wipe LOL@@francischabot9342
Why this kill looked so much easier than the Paragon kill, even though these guys had a lot less gear, and didn't have the 5% buff: - Addons - 13 more years of experience understanding the fight intimately. Strats like valkyrs stun assignments and Soul Reaper cooldown rotations were perfected to a science. If you look at private server raid encounters between 2015-2022, you'll see raid strategies very similar to what we saw here (movement strategy for shadow traps, frost beacons on Sindy, etc) - Class Optimization was a lot better. Paragon brought classes like assassination rogues and feral DPS, which don't have as much cleave DPS potential (LK 25hc is *extremely* cleave heavy). - There were minor buffs in the form of things like Trap Launcher for marksmanship hunters, allowing them to push out a lot more Explosive Trap damage than would have been possible during original Wrath. - If I'm not mistaken, Progress only used 4 healers too, compared to Paragon's 5. Which means they had 1 extra DPS.
Before, you didn't have a test server to do raids on the PTR. They did the bosses there with their current gear, which greatly helped with optimizations.
@@rbkskillz they clearly said in this same video when they beat the lich king that if no one is controlling the dammed, then they would run hamok and bring destruction everywhere, it makes sense why they would want to take the crown
@@rbkskillz Because 1) SL lore is a pile of BS 2) The scourge did go nuts when sylvanas broke the helm, which is the whole reason why they never attempted to destroy it back then 3) Sylvanas only managed to break the helmet with the jailer's strength
34:24 Paragon's Lich King 25-man kill was impressive, but for me, their most impressive kill was in MoP... They killed 10man Heroic Garrosh using only 1 healer. The healing was God Tier.
@@xxargonautxx9790 This logic doesn’t make sense, Mozart has been around for hundreds of years, there are many people who teach Mozart, but if I start to learn a piece tomorrow I start from 0. Everest kills people every year, it’s not easy just because someone did it last century, nor does their experience get downloaded the next generation. 13 years only helps if you’ve been doing it for 13 years. Many people have it figured out, most do not, and learn from 0.
@@EOHRyan that logic makes perfect sense when you realize that people on private servers have been doing ICC25HC and RS25HC, at least a couple times a week, since 2010 aka. for almost 15 years now lol... people on private servers over the years developed tactics that are 10x better than the world record tactics from the best guilds on retail. like, on the server i played on, a random group, not even a guild run, doing a 58min icc25hc run was considered nothing special, meanwhile on retail 1h20min was a world record clear time.. thats what he is talking about. its been almost 15 years now and things that seemed impossible back then, have been made possible AND MORE by people playing wotlk on private server YEARS and YEARS ago.
In regards to the Sindragoa Fight: Welcome to a world where private servers exist. Due to servers like Warmane having it locked at 3.3.5, new strategies were pioneered with addons updated to include this. When I first started playing Warmane, I was confused as why we werent using the stairs either. But after having geared numerous characters in ICC BiS gear, I cant imagine doing it any other way. So many fights have been streamlined and learned. Some still using the same strategies from Retail when it first came out. Some with tweaks and some completely new. I cannot remember if on retail when clearing to Plagueworks if people were pulling groups of trash mobs to the group to clear faster. So basically, one guy goes and pulls a blood council trash mob to the group at a specific time so we are finishing clearing a Plagueworks trash group and then turn to blood council. Then you get the PvP aspect where people constantly PvP in BiS gear non stop and do arenas non stop. Granted, you can only get as good in PvP as the skill cap as a whole of the server. But it has allowed players to hone there skills without the need to grind to 80 and grind gear to actually be somewhat competitive in a PvP scene.
@@methalor8915 Guild I was in on Pserver was pulling Blood Council trash in packs while clearing up stairs to Precious and whatever the other dogs name was. All BC trash was cleared before Fester or Rot
Exactly. I don't really get where the achievement here is lol. This fight have been played to death for the past 15 years and in a more difficult fashion too. I'd be very surprised these people didn't raid on warmane during the downtime between patches to fully prepare this fight lol.
@@jonathansoko1085 tell us you know nothing of top raiding guilds without telling us for 500 bob. Legit NOTHING new, you dont think they didnt stack top classes/profs/etc 12years ago? lololol imagine.
As i played that as a Kid, i was easy one of the best Healer on my Realm. I played later on in the best Clan on the Server, where i also meet first time someone as good as myself. Then after 2 Years i moved to a more competative realm...I was one of 8 healers in the best Clan nothing special anymore, just one of 8. I am sure now, i will be 1 of Thousends. With all those Addons, good PC for lower prices Players became just way better then in my Time. I remember I had to study Bosses for hours, use Makros to stop and cast spells inside the Latency, to be just one spell of 10 spells faster. Movement was 3/4 of the Fights and that took Bossknowledge. Now Addons helping out in every aspect.
world first in last tier's gear brother. this is extremely impressive. killing all three valk's in time at 258 ilvl is close to impossible, especially a one shot attempt
I remember when I killed LK on my hunter main back in retail ICC. M8s didn't manage to kill the valkyr that had me hooked and I was about to be dropped off the edge, when I had that idea of disengaging back to the platform. Without engeneering and everyone was like omg wtf 200 IQ! Today you read that in every sheet 😂
It felt great, right? Like really really great. Like one of the top 10 feelings ever....To figure it out on your own... Now imagine how much of these feelings have been stolen from you over the years because its easier to find a guide :))
@@TheZeagondude on some of the gamma dungeon runs I've been on you'd swear that they still don't know they have an interrupt. In toc on the paletress fight the amount of times I've had to copy and paste a focus target interrupt macro to the party is insane. Alot of them still don't understand to set focus on her while fighting the memory of the past she spawns and use the macro to interrupt her. Also the fire mage on Occulus who said he couldn't use a target mirror image macro with ice lance because he's fire specced 😅
I thought I was the coolest SoB for pulling that off back in the day. I would also use disengage offensively in pvp to chase people down back then. It took years before i consistently saw other hunters using it correctly.
To go dead ass to the end of the final raid and kill the last boss of the expansion with nothing but gear from the previous tiers and a plan, is insanely impressive.
Mid/maxing dude. Gaming is completely different compare to 13 years ago when paragon down this boss. Like look how Lol changed since it’s early seasons.
40:40 I have never played during these times or not I am WOW player and I can feel this epicness, this is something. I think WC3 feels kick in - a resolution to epic tale of Arthas and Warcraft world in general.
I always thought that at one point, Blizzard might utilize this great power Azeroth has 'won' in form of a gigantic undead army against the Burning Legion. But nope. They let them rot in Northrend without doing anything until the big bad guy that was so iconic to Warcraft was 'defeated'.
@@shakeyownz He is comparing the mechanics to current retail - they are constant, require addons, the players get overwhelmed, etc. Through this lens, the lich king fight has a certain elegance, it is not a walk on the park, but you can play the game, make decisions, etc...
I no longer have a personal investment in World of Warcraft, but when I reflect on the game, I can't help but feel a surge of frustration. It reminds me of the remarkable character Tirion Fordring, who played such a significant role during the game's peak. It's disheartening to think about how his character was seemingly discarded in the Legion expansion, merely to justify players wielding his legendary weapon, the Ashbringer. What stings even more is the lack of a cinematic to give him a proper farewell. Then there's Bolvar Fordragon, a character I held in high regard. He was a true powerhouse of a champion, and I was thrilled when I saw him return in the Shadowlands cinematic thinking Sylvanas is finally going down. However, it appears that Blizzard had different plans, which left many fans, including myself, disappointed. Im not sure whether Blizzard was influenced by the prevailing trends of "wokeness" at the time, but it felt like they were determined to showcase Sylvanas as an overwhelmingly formidable character, even to the extent of implying that she could take on both the Lich King and Saurfang.
Nah it was dumber than that, instead of gamers modern college grads work at Blizzard now its more than obvious that the story is written by some California frat boy/girl, instead of a nerd that is deeply invested in lore, games are just corporate stuff now instead of passion projects, suits behind those projects aren't even gamers...
Tirion a "remarkable" character? Obnoxious Mary Sue more like it. I played since the open beta of WoW, so for over 20 years now, and boy was I glad when Tirion finally was roasted. Such a useless bag of meat.
@@Lancor84 Entirely possible any yet the game is nothing but Mary and Gary Sue's (or conflicts that go no-where in order to service them) as it stands right now. At least there is a conclusion here.... Ofc this entire thing was completely undermined in Shadowlands but before then it served well enough that the Litch King was poster boy of WoW for many years. Dont think the same could be said for someone like Anduin or hell even Sylvanas as it stands right now lol. Hell I haven't played for a bit and I can't even remember who became Arbiter without googling lmao.
16:40 in EVERY SINGLE PUG + on Saurfang someone would ALWAYS steal the BiS trinket for DK dps... then leave. then grou pwould fall apart or take another 4 hrs to refill
Fun fact, even if these guys made it look easy I doubt almost anyone who said "old fight ofc it is easy" could do it with same setup without putting in the practise.
@@iyaramonkseeing 4 guys play instruments in sync is impressive. Getting 25 nerds to do these precise inputs at the right time for hours while under pressure of the race is impressive as well.
There are people saying this boss is easier than a normal mode on retail, because they are too dumb to realise how much better at the game these guys are than them. These guys would make great world first raiders on retail, some of them probably already are.
To add to the soulreaper comment: It does 50k dmg after 5 sec (you have about 53-54k HP) AND after that he gets a frenzy for 5 sec increasing LK attack speed to 0.9. He hits for 40k+
full buffed on bis gear paladin 85k on stamina build 78k on armor build. Feral druid 120k dk 76-83k deepening on build. However problem is that soul reaper proc 50k and then half sec after that auto attack do 20-25k so yeah you are dead if healers do not instant heal you or you rotate your cds. On paladin (as I did icc 25hc solo tanking LK) i rotate first deprot then pain suppression after that Hand of Salvation with glyph, 4th is difficult one because you rely on pala to give you hand of sacrifice and if you are lucky your defender wont proc. If mistake happened defender will save you and you have again cds for new rotation...
As a former hunter in WOTLK, I remember just how powerful survival was early on. I ended WOTLK as MM, but that wasn't until I had a good amount of armor penetration. Side note, I NEVER got DBW from Saurfang. When we killed Halion for the first time and the Sharpened Twilight Scale dropped, I was the only person who had not gotten DBW, and I actually stated in Ventrillo (discord) that if it went to ANYONE who already had DBW, I would G quit on the spot. They still deliberated for a full 3 minutes before begrudgingly looting it to me. Hell, DBW had MORE armor pen than this thing, and it was possible to get to armor pen cap without this AND DBW. DBW was the most ninja'd piece of loot I've ever seen. Never understood why people would do that, considering if they got reported, the loot was stripped and they got banned.
I remember going in with the 10m core to this raid twice a week and just having the BEST time with my buddies. I was in HS at the time and I think back to those memories often. I still have the video the first time we downed LK.
Ive played in Warmane for about 10 years give or take and top guilds there in bis gear would clear it for about 90 min. As people said it is a walk in the park, however, still quite impressive with the togc gear they have and no RS trinkets/SM on every melee.
@@knifeuu777 should be trivial too when you get bosses with 2/3 of the HP they have on warmane, without counting the dmg and crit ratings suspicously similar to a full BIS ICC+RS gear while only wielding TOC gear, suspicious to say the least. (there is logs btw) you can see the crit% is abnormaly high for the gear they have. Go with that gear on warmane and they wont pull same numbers, that's proven already by players that play both warmane and retail.
as a hunter main, i was able to disengage without the chute. it wasnt about the chute that helped him, it was he knew exactly when to hit disengage, he prolly had it macroed to disen+chute, but he would have made the jump without. also another disengage chees you can do but should only be done in p3 is jump off the edge with defile and and disengage back and drop defile off the edge. Either way, he/she was a good hunter and the UI was amazingly clean. that whole group was a very great bunch of players, hats off to them.
Ulduar 25 gear being buffed massively, especially valanyr, along with the fact you can get valanyr in 2 weeks with good luck, is the reason this boss went down in a speed run. You have a 258 valanyr on everyone, even enhancement shamans ffs. Legendaries are supposed to be legendary for a reason, and this video is why.
Hypotenuse means, the longest side of a right-angled triangle compared to the length of the base and perpendicular. The hypotenuse side is opposite to the right angle, which is the biggest angle of all the three angles in a right triangle. In simple terms, displacement is the shortest distance between the start point and the finish point. As you know, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line that connects the two points.
Id like to see how these fights would go if addons didnt work in classic 😅. Its insane the coordination and skill they have and this is a perfect clear, but these boss fights would be so different if there was t a warning called out every x seconds and "beware" etc. A lot of random deaths would occur is my guess.
For the regular dad gamer, sure. They probably can't do much at all without addons. But for these guys? They could probably turn off their monitor and do the fight just as clean. They have been killing LK probably 100+ times on private servers in preparations for this. If you don't have addons calling stuff out, you have a raidleader or one specific guy designated to do callouts. It's just less chatter on coms with addons, and you remove the factor of human error almost completely, unless ofcourse the players fail to take correct action.
No guilds could kill Garr in MC until CT Raid came out, lol. I'm sure people would have eventually, but it went from zero kills to everyone killing him the day it came out. It was too hard to cross-heal groups without raid frames.
Back in 2009 both PCs & internet were so bad, many people could not even stand in Dalaran without disconnecting People did not do proper specs, glyphs or rotations . These days everything is min maxxed to insane degrees
@@stevejeffrey11 There was a lot of min-maxing back then. I have Landsoul's sheet here right now, the BIS list is the same as the current BIS list. Minmaxing concepts such as Shadowmourne cancelaura, rendweaving and all the basics abotu ArP softcap/hardcap and crossover points, all the hit table stuff about gearing to crit-cap and switching away from crit above the cap etc etc. All that was known in 2010. Of course 13 years of strategy refinement on boss kills, and people being professionally paid/sponsored to play the game has changed the recruitment game. It was harder to recruit good players back then, but most of this stuff was figured out or in the process of being figured out before Cata launched, and then people move on.
Fond memories of defeating Arthas in 2010. I was the guild and raid leader through WOTLK and had a wonderful time clearing all the raids (Ulduar server first a highlight!). Great times, but 14 years later with a family and demanding job, I've no time to revisit, as much as I want to.
Except that's not the definition of hypotenuse. The hypotenuse is the longest side of a right angled triangle. The term for shortest distance between two points is called "line segment".
I stopped playing WoW for many years now, I'm a FF14 andy atm, but seeing this stuff never gets old. Congrats to the legends showcased on this video. 👍
It technically isn't the hypotanus - because there is no triangle. The chatter is technically right about called it the radius - or at least it follows the radius line from the spawn point to the edge of the circle. If the arena wasn't a perfect circle the line would be the "normal", but for a circle the normal and the radius lines are the same
If addons make the game so easy why was there still a comically low amoint of heroic lk kills? Every twitch rtard saying add-ons make the game easy will never kill a 0% heroic LK.
So did they remove the HC restriction in Wrath Classic? Cause I can remember back in the day the leader had to have killed LK on normal difficulty to be able to switch it to HC.
@@Remains123 Even if you switched it before entering it still required the leader to have a normal kill back in the day. Else it would just say you didn't have the permission to enter the raid. And since this clear was done on week 1 of ICC release I was just wondering how they did HC already. But now that I think about it they might have done a 10N clear and used that to unlock HC for 25-man.
@@Remains123 Yeah OG ICC was released in wings. But Classic ICC was release all at the same time and this video is only 2 days after it was released, which means people already did HC runs in the first week of Classic. So either they removed the restriction of a normal kill required for HC to be unlocked. Or doing a 10N run is enough to open up HC for both 10- and 25-man version of the raid.
Well, the mechanics are known nowadays. The majority of player in classic wotlk are original players or now experienced raiders. Back then we didn't know all of the mechanics.
I remember being in my guilds first ICC 25m and then someone mentioned that Heroic Arthas was already down. I remember being shocked. I thought it would take like at least the end of the weekend but nope! Yoou truly were Azeroths greatest Champions :)
@@danielcanty5727 Idol of coordination and teamwork by doing content that is older than a good portion of the current playerbase? It's not the feat you think it is.
I still have a living memory placed in my head rent free, when we first killed LK 25hc. I was maining a hunter back in a day. The day we killed him, we had LK at just below 15-20% when I ran out of arrows. Everyone lived at that point, but you can imagine how that moment turned from intense to jokes all around as everyone laughed at me meleeing LK as a hunter. We hit the enrage timer, tanks and melees taunting him back and forth to have few more seconds to finish him and get him to 10% while everyone was histerically laughing how we're gonna kill him on a pull where I ran out of arrows. We were joking about that for weeks to come, until I actually swapped main from a hunter to my warlock that I raided with in our alt raid. I have mained warlock ever since that for expansions to come with hunter and shadow priests beings alts from that point on all until a point in the end of BFA where I stopped playing. Skipped Shadowlands, came back casually for Dragonflight, but it just wasn't the same for me and I didn't last long as I missed the old sweaty days of competing with other guilds. I've made a place in my heart for WoW when we had a group of people who took it serious as we progressed raid by raid, eventually finding out about rankings on wowprogress, climbing with each expansion from top300 to a top100. But once I got back to play again in 2022 and I wasn't able to have a perfect schedule to be there for raids at set times in a week, I just never enjoyed the game as I did back then, playing it with pugs and focusing on m+ without a proper guild with a schedule. The tryharding, min-maxing and living everyday in the game while being a part of 25+ same-minded people was what made it fun for me from 2005 all the way to early 2020. Lot of people I talk to tell me WoW is dead because it changed. In my opinion, we all have changed more than the game did.
The people who put those raids together deserve all the credit. The rest are just above average players of which there are many. But there aren't that many people able to lead with an iron fist.
Its not that this was hard back in the day it was the technology that we used that made it more difficult computers had alot higher input lag with alot lower fps and the internet was hot garbage id be alot more impressed if they beat this on a mid range computer from 2009 2010 with equivalent internet connection
dont get it twisted, a regular hc ish guild on retail would wipe on this for days (source: my guild and 3 other guilds who do low tier mythic raiding on retail). (but we don't really practice like these guys or the mega tryhards do and we don't use any specia laddons).
We had addons in 2005. In 2010 Blizzard had to literally step in because the addons were so powerful, they reduced addon functionality again in 2016. These days they can't do nearly as much as they could back then, WOTLK Classic runs on a modified Dragonflight client.
@@DeethAlAkir Honestly, without UI addons and damage meters I would have stopped playing in 2007. And unless they did a better job of boss design it would just suck. A lot of mechanics people use addons for are damn near invisible without an addon, the addons kinda make up for bad game design. Retail actually does this part of boss design way better, as do many other games. The addons were almost a response to janky game design, so I'll pass.
NOTHING BEATS HEARING THE CHEERS AND SCREAMS RATTLE THE DISCORD WHEN LK DIES FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH YOUR GUILD NORMAL OR HEROIC DOENT MATTER I LOVE THE WHOLESOME YELLS AND PPL ARE GENUINELY HAPPY GOTTA LOVE IT
while these people do play very consistent and disciplined , i have to say my respect for those doing it in classic is minimized by the fact , that this is not a world first in general , because classic is SO much easier and we allready know everything. Nothing new, and the patch we play with differs massivly from back then. EVERYthing is so much easier. This here is just wannabes patting themselves on the back in 16-17 year old game, acting like they are pros in content my grandfather did back then..... If this was just about playing clean and disciplined , that would be a good video. Other then that, wow is dead, and these kind of videos are a testament to why.
Bro but it is a world first. Its world first classic but its world first. and trying to say stuff like "my grandpa did this" bro i would bet my cock and balls that not a single raid group couldve cleared ICC in ToGC gear back in the day. I mean its obvious they couldnt considering the first kill didnt happen till they had the 25% dam buff. I get that this shit has been solved, but its after people put thousands and thousands of hours into figuring it out. And these player put hundreds of hours in literally just practicing for this one moment, to do it with flawless execution. Thats the whole point of playing classic. I honestly feel like people with this kind of mindset that "this isnt the real world first" or "try it without addons" or any of the other bs are just angry they couldnt kill heroic lich king back in the day.
for this game to have this add ons is just bad. might as well do autoplay. doing this fight with no add ons at all is a different game and everyone knows it.
I remember first raid you showing in this video, was my first raid AT ALL. I was a warlock and I nailed it, my friend gave me a full item warlock as a gift of playing good with low item warlock.. I was so proud of myself of being smart by learning it so fast and clean. these things were something that I start to know about myself... at a certain point, in other versions, I start to found none of these things, because of so many reasons we all know.
Would have thought Hodir would have been reality check the for a new pc. like 50% of our raid team had to for the projected textures because they couldn't see the ice mounds.
Wrath was irritating lore. LK kept taunting the player every other quest and just leaving for no reason. Even Asmon talked about it. Dragonflight has great lore.
@@AkiRa22084 The first time playing through wrath as a kid, beating ICC, watching the cut scenes, was a hell of a experience. The LKs lore might have been “ annoying “ but the build up towards the fight was EPIC. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion- I don’t care what asmons/yours opinion is. Look at your profile picture, you’re an anime fem boy- of course you would like Dragonflight.
I killed this boss back in WOTLK with the 30% buff. It's insane how shit we were back then compare to players now. I was in a top 200 guild then and felt like we were pretty good at the game.
Well don’t forget players since then had like 14 years to optimize everything 😅👍🏼 and they did aswell as playing the boss atleast several 100s of times.
@@jrbizzle1832 there's better and there's people doing 40% more damage when most classes are 3-5 button rotation. it certainly didn't seem at the time like there was so much being unoptimised. this was wotlk not vanilla, we definitely knew the rotation, theorycrafting/sims existed, no one was clicking etc..
So I have played since about 2 months after classic released, I stopped for a little bit mid WoD, came back mid Legion stopped with bfa and then started recently again... I had raided since classic but wotlk was when I got into a very high end guild and we were first on our server for everything and man seeing that syndragosa fight brings back memories. He explains it really well it may not seem like a lot of hard mechanics but compared to a lot of the previous raid mechanics this one was just difficult for a lot of people. The regular heroic version isnt too bad but the real killer was the achievement for the Frost brood vanquisher. After we had heroic lk on a weekly kill getting that for our mains and alts was a huge pain and I know of 2 guilds that essentially disbanded because one was just having too many issues and people got frustrated and stopped and the other had to sub out several of their melee to have more ranged DPS for the achievement and they promised to do it again for those melee and they still were having issues the next time they tried so like 7 of their main raides quit lol. good times
I was using all the same add-ons I use now in OG TBC back in 2007. Nothing has changed in that aspect. There have always been add-ons for serious raiders. If you think method wasn't using weak auras back then you're just clueless.
I was a "clicker" the majority of TBC and our guild cleared Sunwell eventually. Trust me I wasn't the only one clicking either...I only played one other game on the PC before WoW so blame Runescape, haha. However just before WOTLK dropped I switched to keybinds primarily for 2v2 arena and I felt like a god clearing WOTLK back in the day. I used minimal addons and most knowledge was word of mouth and experience...Fuck me an average raider now would put me to shame how I raided back in WOTLK. Times change.
I dont understand? Isnt this an old boss how is this world first? Ive heard of wrath of the lich king did theboss not come out back then? Sorry idk wow
people been giving confusing answers to your question, so technicaly you are right it is an old expansion to the game but blizzard has been re releasing old wow expansion for quite some time and wrath of the lichking is the latest one getting re released and this is the first kill for this
but... it was a world first. It was classic sure. but it was a world first for classic. And not calling it that discredits all the time these guys put into practicing this method, as well as all the time gearing the previous phase.
H LK 25 ,man was the one fight my guild could never get enough people competent enough to down. We had him on farm with two 10 man groups but that was both far easier and we couldn't recruit enough competent people. I think we managed to wipe at something like 14% (max buff and mostly H ICC 25 gear).
These 3 are haters. It's the last raid in the expansion. The 3 that commented will never complete it. The group did it clean and will get best in slot gear. It's dope
@@ignatiusgod5935 yeah man im super impressed with doing countless wipes on ptr, on a decade old raid and u can do this on warmane the only impressive thing is the togc gear thats it
Definitely my favorite moment in WoW back in the day. I was playing a resto Shaman in a guild that got Yogg +0 9th world before the nerf, but we really struggled like most guilds on this one for a while. During enrage, it was me and a ranged DPS left, and he died leaving me solo, and my Flameshock tick finished him, Ventrillo went nuts, lol.
do people know what "world first" means? the world first lich king was done over a decade ago. its not called "world first: within reason: for this generation:
@@Hesklif world first icc without fish feast is still up for grabs then? what about the world first icc with only keyboard turning? how many more world first then huh?
Wow what an execution, the fact that paragon finished only slightly ahead of this group with everyone alive(as opposed to the 1-2 deaths here) speaks volumes to the level of both teams
as one of the first disc priests to down h25 lk , i can say this fight was the hardest fight ever in wow for its time. learning the fight was so epically difficult and painful i literally went full pvp for the following 4 expansions
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Asmon is actually very good at explaining mechanics of boss fights and what to do. Memes and ballbusting aside, when he talks about the game you can tell he loves it and loves talking about it. It’s a massive indictment on blizzard that Asmon doesn’t even care about the game anymore beyond clipping his streams into hardcore death compilation reactions. Hats off on that end though, I couldn’t watch this much WoW content without having the compulsion to play…
Well this was when he played a lot. Not surprising he knows a fair a bit.
@@Simplemalkno he means when asmon uploads new videos of hardcore deaths which are i believe current lmao. When you grind a game like he did for like 20 years, you kinda remember that shit forever😂😂
Except when he confusses hypotenuse with radius. ;)
Lol its funny how easy it so to explain yet you think he's special
GLAZER
People been doing this fight on Warmane for literally over a decade on repeat, I'm sure they could have done this without addons
I tried Warmane and the players there seem to treat ICC like it’s just another RDF. So seeing this reaction took me by surprise as the community there see this as a walk in the park. Toxic community though sadly.
is this doable without addons? yes.. but not in the gear they currently have, did you see how fast the stuns went out on valkyrs? 3 different valkyrs and not a wasted stun, addon instantly marked the valkyrs and raiders targeted the one they were assigned to
@@SuperJake9000 Indeed, because they have literally been doing ICC since 2011 when it was fully implemented, I was doing it back then before the server merged with arena-wow and turned into warmane, we cleared 25hc every week no fail, they've been grinding since then, I can guarantee any of the active raiding guilds can just clear this raid on 25hc while watching a movie
yeah there are guilds that do like 10-14 LODs a week :D
@@winsku id love to see those guys do what progress did on live, warmanes fastest speedrun is the same time as progress but guess what? Theyre in full icc bis..
"Tell them only that the Lich King is dead, and that World of Warcraft died with him."- Bolvar Fordragon
this entire company must be purged!
sooo sad soo bad what they did to wow now :(
i dont see it as wow this day
i see it like disney game
crying everytime and wow still there xddd
@@Ishizaky1 You enjoying the new mobile br game mode? I wish wow would die maybe we could actually get something new one day.
Wotlk is boring lel
"There must always be.. a lich king". It's been a decade and that line still gives me chills.
Didn't know 2009 was 10 years ago
@@Ryshmosh you were there. You know time stopped in 2019.
@@irrelevanthero7410 damn fair play
@@irrelevanthero7410 yeah before covid 19 fcked us
I always thought it was a shitty plot twist.
Killing the Lich King the first time with my guild was one of the best experiences in wow, and it was the last time I enjoyed PvE. The conclusion to Arthas' story was awesome to witness having played Warcraft 3, and built up to it in WoW. I love melee SV hunter now, but explosive shot, black arrow.. the way ranged SV worked was so fun, and I'm sad it isn't at least more like that for MM now.
I was in a 25 man guild, we were going to kill the Lich King that raid night. My ex made me go to some awful show, they killed it, and never went back.
@@Black6Six That‘s why she became ex...
@@PA-uj1rd maybe its a she
As a Hunter who raided from cata to WOD, I feel the same.
I remember how pumped we were when we killed LK. One of my most memorable gaming experiences ever.
Important to note that back them esports was not really that big of a thing yet. Most guilds had a non meta group full of underperforming classes with the wrong professions. And yeah like he said computers and internet connexions are much better now. I'd say in 2010 computers were starting to be good but i remember when we were doing Molten Core one of our healer had to heal while facing the wall cause when he was putting his camera toward the raid he was lagging so much it was a slideshow.
Also there just weren't nearly as many people that raided back then compared to now. 90%+ of classic players are raiding and are geared, where back then not even 50% of the server would have raid gear and tons of guilds would still be a full raid tier behind everyone.
@@Tooamazin oh for sure. But it's still kind of how it is on retail. Difference is now you need only 20 people instead of 40 but even 20 is starting to be problematic if you are a casual guild you'll always carry 5-7 players easily. But in a 40 players back then easily half the raid was geared in blues and did not know how to play but you had no choice to carry them cause on many servers it was the only way to fill the group. I don't remember in classic back in 2004-2005 being in a raid group where there was not at least a couple of players who had a few blues items equipped and were running around like a chicken without a head.
Players were worse / for fun , People had worse computers and addons weren´t what they are now with weakauras playing your character for you. You get big Letter pop ups every timer in existance without having to look around the room and having situational awerness making the game considerably easier and more brain dead
reminds me of the horrors of Pugging back in classic...today's PUGs are nowhere near as bad and still people will leave after 1 or 2 bosses just because or after 1 wipe LOL@@francischabot9342
I remember having a 2008 built pc with a nvidia 260 but a q6600 cpu and not being able to get above 10 fps in 25 man raids. Had to do 10 man.
Still shed a manly tear when I see Tirion say you will not be forgotten and Bolvar retorts with You must forget.
Why this kill looked so much easier than the Paragon kill, even though these guys had a lot less gear, and didn't have the 5% buff:
- Addons
- 13 more years of experience understanding the fight intimately. Strats like valkyrs stun assignments and Soul Reaper cooldown rotations were perfected to a science. If you look at private server raid encounters between 2015-2022, you'll see raid strategies very similar to what we saw here (movement strategy for shadow traps, frost beacons on Sindy, etc)
- Class Optimization was a lot better. Paragon brought classes like assassination rogues and feral DPS, which don't have as much cleave DPS potential (LK 25hc is *extremely* cleave heavy).
- There were minor buffs in the form of things like Trap Launcher for marksmanship hunters, allowing them to push out a lot more Explosive Trap damage than would have been possible during original Wrath.
- If I'm not mistaken, Progress only used 4 healers too, compared to Paragon's 5. Which means they had 1 extra DPS.
You could sum up this by saying the reason is: 13 years of sweaty hardcore min maxing, experience, optimization and knowledge.
Plus the buffed items from ulduar and every healer having a leg lol
So what you're saying is all it took was 13 years of practice to absolutely nail the shit out of it?
Before, you didn't have a test server to do raids on the PTR. They did the bosses there with their current gear, which greatly helped with optimizations.
They have feral in the video too.
The ending cinematic is something that will never be beaten. I've seen it 100 times and it still gives me chills.
Not only did Bolvar take on the biggest burden, but he did it for ZERO recognition
Back when the writing was good 😢
Why did they need anyone to take it in the first place? If Sylvanas could just ripped in half?
good writing in wow? lmao
@@AB-su7jt from cata and afterwards it has went downhill, it doesn't mean that it was never good, imo
@@rbkskillz they clearly said in this same video when they beat the lich king that if no one is controlling the dammed, then they would run hamok and bring destruction everywhere, it makes sense why they would want to take the crown
@@rbkskillz Because 1) SL lore is a pile of BS
2) The scourge did go nuts when sylvanas broke the helm, which is the whole reason why they never attempted to destroy it back then
3) Sylvanas only managed to break the helmet with the jailer's strength
34:24 Paragon's Lich King 25-man kill was impressive, but for me, their most impressive kill was in MoP...
They killed 10man Heroic Garrosh using only 1 healer. The healing was God Tier.
That was MoP.
@@Samadork It's been so long I forgot. Thanks, I'll edit the post.
With a my little pony ui
I miss that
I remember there was a mistweaver that solo healed Mythic Archimonde in WoD. Pretty crazy
Asmon's commentary/guide to HC LK legit better than a lot of the dedicated guides, impressed.
Well it’s been 13 years since the raids released. You would think people would understand this fight to the T.
@@xxargonautxx9790 This logic doesn’t make sense, Mozart has been around for hundreds of years, there are many people who teach Mozart, but if I start to learn a piece tomorrow I start from 0.
Everest kills people every year, it’s not easy just because someone did it last century, nor does their experience get downloaded the next generation. 13 years only helps if you’ve been doing it for 13 years. Many people have it figured out, most do not, and learn from 0.
@@EOHRyan that logic makes perfect sense when you realize that people on private servers have been doing ICC25HC and RS25HC, at least a couple times a week, since 2010 aka. for almost 15 years now lol... people on private servers over the years developed tactics that are 10x better than the world record tactics from the best guilds on retail. like, on the server i played on, a random group, not even a guild run, doing a 58min icc25hc run was considered nothing special, meanwhile on retail 1h20min was a world record clear time.. thats what he is talking about. its been almost 15 years now and things that seemed impossible back then, have been made possible AND MORE by people playing wotlk on private server YEARS and YEARS ago.
In regards to the Sindragoa Fight:
Welcome to a world where private servers exist. Due to servers like Warmane having it locked at 3.3.5, new strategies were pioneered with addons updated to include this. When I first started playing Warmane, I was confused as why we werent using the stairs either. But after having geared numerous characters in ICC BiS gear, I cant imagine doing it any other way. So many fights have been streamlined and learned. Some still using the same strategies from Retail when it first came out. Some with tweaks and some completely new.
I cannot remember if on retail when clearing to Plagueworks if people were pulling groups of trash mobs to the group to clear faster. So basically, one guy goes and pulls a blood council trash mob to the group at a specific time so we are finishing clearing a Plagueworks trash group and then turn to blood council.
Then you get the PvP aspect where people constantly PvP in BiS gear non stop and do arenas non stop. Granted, you can only get as good in PvP as the skill cap as a whole of the server. But it has allowed players to hone there skills without the need to grind to 80 and grind gear to actually be somewhat competitive in a PvP scene.
Yes people were pulling groups to the raid to clear faster
The Blood council trash was pulled only when 2 people were sent to do the little bug swarm trap room before Putricide, for anyone who wanted more info
@@methalor8915 Guild I was in on Pserver was pulling Blood Council trash in packs while clearing up stairs to Precious and whatever the other dogs name was. All BC trash was cleared before Fester or Rot
I remember spending reset after reset until we got our first LK kill back in WOTLK. That fight was tough
people have played Lich king on private servers with + 40 % HP buff to the bosses. This does not come as a surprise.
Not just HP but the damage is also buffed on warmane
also the enrage time is reduced by 20% if i remember well, it's insane tbh
50% and the double of damage in warname
soulreaper hits 100k and only dk tanks and druids can survive from it. but in woltk classic it just hit 50k@@xmoxipavonispetinus8539
Exactly. I don't really get where the achievement here is lol. This fight have been played to death for the past 15 years and in a more difficult fashion too. I'd be very surprised these people didn't raid on warmane during the downtime between patches to fully prepare this fight lol.
Imagine being a hardcore raider of ICC again
@@jonathansoko1085 tell us you know nothing of top raiding guilds without telling us for 500 bob. Legit NOTHING new, you dont think they didnt stack top classes/profs/etc 12years ago? lololol imagine.
@@MMJCulinarylooks like we’ve found another socially-stunted redditor that regurgitates cringy one-liners like “tell us without telling us”. Cringe.
@@MMJCulinaryu sound like such a virgin
As i played that as a Kid, i was easy one of the best Healer on my Realm. I played later on in the best Clan on the Server, where i also meet first time someone as good as myself. Then after 2 Years i moved to a more competative realm...I was one of 8 healers in the best Clan nothing special anymore, just one of 8. I am sure now, i will be 1 of Thousends. With all those Addons, good PC for lower prices Players became just way better then in my Time. I remember I had to study Bosses for hours, use Makros to stop and cast spells inside the Latency, to be just one spell of 10 spells faster. Movement was 3/4 of the Fights and that took Bossknowledge. Now Addons helping out in every aspect.
the world first kill of a boss the second time 15 years later
world first in last tier's gear brother. this is extremely impressive. killing all three valk's in time at 258 ilvl is close to impossible, especially a one shot attempt
I remember when I killed LK on my hunter main back in retail ICC. M8s didn't manage to kill the valkyr that had me hooked and I was about to be dropped off the edge, when I had that idea of disengaging back to the platform. Without engeneering and everyone was like omg wtf 200 IQ! Today you read that in every sheet 😂
i swear no one knew most classes had a interrupt and movement ability even in wrath lmaooo
It felt great, right? Like really really great. Like one of the top 10 feelings ever....To figure it out on your own... Now imagine how much of these feelings have been stolen from you over the years because its easier to find a guide :))
@@TheZeagondude on some of the gamma dungeon runs I've been on you'd swear that they still don't know they have an interrupt. In toc on the paletress fight the amount of times I've had to copy and paste a focus target interrupt macro to the party is insane. Alot of them still don't understand to set focus on her while fighting the memory of the past she spawns and use the macro to interrupt her. Also the fire mage on Occulus who said he couldn't use a target mirror image macro with ice lance because he's fire specced 😅
My guild strat back then was to ignore hunters and warlocks when they got pick. It was standard for us in 2009
I thought I was the coolest SoB for pulling that off back in the day. I would also use disengage offensively in pvp to chase people down back then. It took years before i consistently saw other hunters using it correctly.
To go dead ass to the end of the final raid and kill the last boss of the expansion with nothing but gear from the previous tiers and a plan, is insanely impressive.
Mid/maxing dude. Gaming is completely different compare to 13 years ago when paragon down this boss. Like look how Lol changed since it’s early seasons.
cLaSsIc WuZ hArDeR
@@xxargonautxx9790 That dosent mean doing the min maxing didnt take a bunch of time and effort.
40:40 I have never played during these times or not I am WOW player and I can feel this epicness, this is something. I think WC3 feels kick in - a resolution to epic tale of Arthas and Warcraft world in general.
"This final act of service ...is mine"
Chills
I always thought that at one point, Blizzard might utilize this great power Azeroth has 'won' in form of a gigantic undead army against the Burning Legion. But nope. They let them rot in Northrend without doing anything until the big bad guy that was so iconic to Warcraft was 'defeated'.
I am experiencing huge nostalgia watching this. Great memories...
So we mathmatically know that Paragon was 5% better then everyone else.
They can stand where they are for more than 2 sec. Amazing design.
Are you saying standing still for too long is bad design or that it’s good design?
I mean, if you only play melee you probably think it’s bad design. If you only play casters you probably think it’s good design.
@@shakeyownz He is comparing the mechanics to current retail - they are constant, require addons, the players get overwhelmed, etc. Through this lens, the lich king fight has a certain elegance, it is not a walk on the park, but you can play the game, make decisions, etc...
@@prgnify cope
@@prgnify git gud
They didnt just clear 25man with TOC gear but 25man HEROIC!! the sweatiest and skilled group damn
Heroic was available 2 months after the initial release of ICC in original WOTLK.
Crazy how close this was to the world first hc naxx clear.
Not really that crazy considering the raids have about the same amount of bosses but naxx got more trash.
I no longer have a personal investment in World of Warcraft, but when I reflect on the game, I can't help but feel a surge of frustration. It reminds me of the remarkable character Tirion Fordring, who played such a significant role during the game's peak. It's disheartening to think about how his character was seemingly discarded in the Legion expansion, merely to justify players wielding his legendary weapon, the Ashbringer. What stings even more is the lack of a cinematic to give him a proper farewell.
Then there's Bolvar Fordragon, a character I held in high regard. He was a true powerhouse of a champion, and I was thrilled when I saw him return in the Shadowlands cinematic thinking Sylvanas is finally going down. However, it appears that Blizzard had different plans, which left many fans, including myself, disappointed. Im not sure whether Blizzard was influenced by the prevailing trends of "wokeness" at the time, but it felt like they were determined to showcase Sylvanas as an overwhelmingly formidable character, even to the extent of implying that she could take on both the Lich King and Saurfang.
Nah it was dumber than that, instead of gamers modern college grads work at Blizzard now its more than obvious that the story is written by some California frat boy/girl, instead of a nerd that is deeply invested in lore, games are just corporate stuff now instead of passion projects, suits behind those projects aren't even gamers...
Tirion a "remarkable" character? Obnoxious Mary Sue more like it.
I played since the open beta of WoW, so for over 20 years now, and boy was I glad when Tirion finally was roasted. Such a useless bag of meat.
@@Lancor84 Entirely possible any yet the game is nothing but Mary and Gary Sue's (or conflicts that go no-where in order to service them) as it stands right now.
At least there is a conclusion here.... Ofc this entire thing was completely undermined in Shadowlands but before then it served well enough that the Litch King was poster boy of WoW for many years.
Dont think the same could be said for someone like Anduin or hell even Sylvanas as it stands right now lol. Hell I haven't played for a bit and I can't even remember who became Arbiter without googling lmao.
@@Lancor84Tirion was the last old school W3 paladin alive, which makes him pretty remarkable
16:40 in EVERY SINGLE PUG + on Saurfang someone would ALWAYS steal the BiS trinket for DK dps... then leave.
then grou pwould fall apart or take another 4 hrs to refill
Truee dood, every ... single ... time ...
That trinket from AQ he was talking about also was how a lot of hpallys got glad back in normal tbc/wrath it was very insane.
@@jonathansoko1085 Yes i would like to go back as a PvPer to farm 2 expansion old raid content to cheese a gladiator title, sounds amazing
Fun fact, even if these guys made it look easy I doubt almost anyone who said "old fight ofc it is easy" could do it with same setup without putting in the practise.
Obviously. That's what makes this not impressive, other than the speed
@@iyaramonkit's always impressive seeing a good dance, and they practice a lot, don't know why so salty.
@@iyaramonkseeing 4 guys play instruments in sync is impressive. Getting 25 nerds to do these precise inputs at the right time for hours while under pressure of the race is impressive as well.
@@nickh4354 With the addons is sounds like baby's first mmo
There are people saying this boss is easier than a normal mode on retail, because they are too dumb to realise how much better at the game these guys are than them. These guys would make great world first raiders on retail, some of them probably already are.
Some people just can't move on :D
The Lich King can
To add to the soulreaper comment: It does 50k dmg after 5 sec (you have about 53-54k HP) AND after that he gets a frenzy for 5 sec increasing LK attack speed to 0.9. He hits for 40k+
full buffed on bis gear paladin 85k on stamina build 78k on armor build. Feral druid 120k dk 76-83k deepening on build. However problem is that soul reaper proc 50k and then half sec after that auto attack do 20-25k so yeah you are dead if healers do not instant heal you or you rotate your cds. On paladin (as I did icc 25hc solo tanking LK) i rotate first deprot then pain suppression after that Hand of Salvation with glyph, 4th is difficult one because you rely on pala to give you hand of sacrifice and if you are lucky your defender wont proc. If mistake happened defender will save you and you have again cds for new rotation...
Even on retail, when doing the Time Rift event for the Lich King - there are people staying in defile :D
As a former hunter in WOTLK, I remember just how powerful survival was early on. I ended WOTLK as MM, but that wasn't until I had a good amount of armor penetration. Side note, I NEVER got DBW from Saurfang. When we killed Halion for the first time and the Sharpened Twilight Scale dropped, I was the only person who had not gotten DBW, and I actually stated in Ventrillo (discord) that if it went to ANYONE who already had DBW, I would G quit on the spot. They still deliberated for a full 3 minutes before begrudgingly looting it to me. Hell, DBW had MORE armor pen than this thing, and it was possible to get to armor pen cap without this AND DBW. DBW was the most ninja'd piece of loot I've ever seen. Never understood why people would do that, considering if they got reported, the loot was stripped and they got banned.
I remember going in with the 10m core to this raid twice a week and just having the BEST time with my buddies. I was in HS at the time and I think back to those memories often. I still have the video the first time we downed LK.
Ive played in Warmane for about 10 years give or take and top guilds there in bis gear would clear it for about 90 min. As people said it is a walk in the park, however, still quite impressive with the togc gear they have and no RS trinkets/SM on every melee.
Yeah, when you have BiS gear and 30% buff, of course its a trivial encounter then.
@@knifeuu777 should be trivial too when you get bosses with 2/3 of the HP they have on warmane, without counting the dmg and crit ratings suspicously similar to a full BIS ICC+RS gear while only wielding TOC gear, suspicious to say the least. (there is logs btw) you can see the crit% is abnormaly high for the gear they have. Go with that gear on warmane and they wont pull same numbers, that's proven already by players that play both warmane and retail.
as a hunter main, i was able to disengage without the chute. it wasnt about the chute that helped him, it was he knew exactly when to hit disengage, he prolly had it macroed to disen+chute, but he would have made the jump without. also another disengage chees you can do but should only be done in p3 is jump off the edge with defile and and disengage back and drop defile off the edge. Either way, he/she was a good hunter and the UI was amazingly clean. that whole group was a very great bunch of players, hats off to them.
Ulduar 25 gear being buffed massively, especially valanyr, along with the fact you can get valanyr in 2 weeks with good luck, is the reason this boss went down in a speed run.
You have a 258 valanyr on everyone, even enhancement shamans ffs. Legendaries are supposed to be legendary for a reason, and this video is why.
Hypotenuse means, the longest side of a right-angled triangle compared to the length of the base and perpendicular. The hypotenuse side is opposite to the right angle, which is the biggest angle of all the three angles in a right triangle. In simple terms, displacement is the shortest distance between the start point and the finish point. As you know, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line that connects the two points.
Id like to see how these fights would go if addons didnt work in classic 😅. Its insane the coordination and skill they have and this is a perfect clear, but these boss fights would be so different if there was t a warning called out every x seconds and "beware" etc. A lot of random deaths would occur is my guess.
For the regular dad gamer, sure. They probably can't do much at all without addons. But for these guys? They could probably turn off their monitor and do the fight just as clean. They have been killing LK probably 100+ times on private servers in preparations for this. If you don't have addons calling stuff out, you have a raidleader or one specific guy designated to do callouts. It's just less chatter on coms with addons, and you remove the factor of human error almost completely, unless ofcourse the players fail to take correct action.
No guilds could kill Garr in MC until CT Raid came out, lol. I'm sure people would have eventually, but it went from zero kills to everyone killing him the day it came out. It was too hard to cross-heal groups without raid frames.
29:46 That clutch shacle clutching the warlock in such a wrong way man xD
Fun Fact: This run was sooo fast. They were even faster than private server guilds with the 30% buff! Its impressive as hell!
Back in 2009 both PCs & internet were so bad, many people could not even stand in Dalaran without disconnecting
People did not do proper specs, glyphs or rotations . These days everything is min maxxed to insane degrees
@@stevejeffrey11 true players there already know what to do what is the best gear there is even if your lvl80 you can be one shotted anyway
What are you talking about? The speedkill on warmane is literally 4mins lol
@@stevejeffrey11 There was a lot of min-maxing back then. I have Landsoul's sheet here right now, the BIS list is the same as the current BIS list. Minmaxing concepts such as Shadowmourne cancelaura, rendweaving and all the basics abotu ArP softcap/hardcap and crossover points, all the hit table stuff about gearing to crit-cap and switching away from crit above the cap etc etc.
All that was known in 2010. Of course 13 years of strategy refinement on boss kills, and people being professionally paid/sponsored to play the game has changed the recruitment game. It was harder to recruit good players back then, but most of this stuff was figured out or in the process of being figured out before Cata launched, and then people move on.
@@Lion-fp7sw He said the run. Not the LK kill.
Wonder when Hardcore TBC and WotLK, maybe theyll allow transfers from classics vanilla hardcore into the next expansions.
With 15 years of prep time they’d better kill him.
@@jonathansoko1085 are you ok
@@jonathansoko1085This is the most boomer comment of all time
@@Longboardguyy the term "boomer", so 2018. What a Chad.
@@jonathansoko1085 avarage wow player will take time to kill HC LK 25. these are litterly the best players out there. ofc they are gonna kill it fast.
@@Doomthulsathis is factual. The term boomer was obviously invented in 2018.
Fond memories of defeating Arthas in 2010. I was the guild and raid leader through WOTLK and had a wonderful time clearing all the raids (Ulduar server first a highlight!). Great times, but 14 years later with a family and demanding job, I've no time to revisit, as much as I want to.
Hypotenuse: "the closest distance between two different points" smartest streamer Asmon
Except that's not the definition of hypotenuse. The hypotenuse is the longest side of a right angled triangle.
The term for shortest distance between two points is called "line segment".
wow u really dont know sarcasm huh@@MrVvulf
@@LeCloudey It's difficult to hear tone of voice via text. Hence the common usage of "/s" to visually indicate sarcasm.
@@MrVvulf autism
paragon is still today remembered by killing this insanely hard boss world first ever
Imagine doing ICC at hardcore
the hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle with a 90 deg angle XD
I stopped playing WoW for many years now, I'm a FF14 andy atm, but seeing this stuff never gets old.
Congrats to the legends showcased on this video. 👍
It technically isn't the hypotanus - because there is no triangle.
The chatter is technically right about called it the radius - or at least it follows the radius line from the spawn point to the edge of the circle. If the arena wasn't a perfect circle the line would be the "normal", but for a circle the normal and the radius lines are the same
Lol 25 people, pathetic I beat it solo as a death knight
in pandaria, WOD or when? haha
Anyone can beat it solo on retail too.😂😂
If addons make the game so easy why was there still a comically low amoint of heroic lk kills? Every twitch rtard saying add-ons make the game easy will never kill a 0% heroic LK.
What would hardcore wrath look like? And what about this fight would everyone die perm just for the glory?
I don't know, I think if you get ressurected by Tirion fucking Fordring your character should come back alive lmao
So did they remove the HC restriction in Wrath Classic? Cause I can remember back in the day the leader had to have killed LK on normal difficulty to be able to switch it to HC.
If you set it in hc from the beggining there is no need
@@Remains123 Even if you switched it before entering it still required the leader to have a normal kill back in the day. Else it would just say you didn't have the permission to enter the raid.
And since this clear was done on week 1 of ICC release I was just wondering how they did HC already. But now that I think about it they might have done a 10N clear and used that to unlock HC for 25-man.
Hmm idk about that. Though since OG ICC was released in wings that would mean no one did hc within the first month. I didnt know that
@@Remains123 Yeah OG ICC was released in wings. But Classic ICC was release all at the same time and this video is only 2 days after it was released, which means people already did HC runs in the first week of Classic.
So either they removed the restriction of a normal kill required for HC to be unlocked. Or doing a 10N run is enough to open up HC for both 10- and 25-man version of the raid.
Well, the mechanics are known nowadays. The majority of player in classic wotlk are original players or now experienced raiders. Back then we didn't know all of the mechanics.
I remember being in my guilds first ICC 25m and then someone mentioned that Heroic Arthas was already down. I remember being shocked. I thought it would take like at least the end of the weekend but nope! Yoou truly were Azeroths greatest Champions :)
For what? Doing content that is 14 years old?
They were the idol of coordination and teamwork
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@@danielcanty5727 Idol of coordination and teamwork by doing content that is older than a good portion of the current playerbase?
It's not the feat you think it is.
I still have a living memory placed in my head rent free, when we first killed LK 25hc. I was maining a hunter back in a day. The day we killed him, we had LK at just below 15-20% when I ran out of arrows. Everyone lived at that point, but you can imagine how that moment turned from intense to jokes all around as everyone laughed at me meleeing LK as a hunter. We hit the enrage timer, tanks and melees taunting him back and forth to have few more seconds to finish him and get him to 10% while everyone was histerically laughing how we're gonna kill him on a pull where I ran out of arrows. We were joking about that for weeks to come, until I actually swapped main from a hunter to my warlock that I raided with in our alt raid. I have mained warlock ever since that for expansions to come with hunter and shadow priests beings alts from that point on all until a point in the end of BFA where I stopped playing. Skipped Shadowlands, came back casually for Dragonflight, but it just wasn't the same for me and I didn't last long as I missed the old sweaty days of competing with other guilds. I've made a place in my heart for WoW when we had a group of people who took it serious as we progressed raid by raid, eventually finding out about rankings on wowprogress, climbing with each expansion from top300 to a top100. But once I got back to play again in 2022 and I wasn't able to have a perfect schedule to be there for raids at set times in a week, I just never enjoyed the game as I did back then, playing it with pugs and focusing on m+ without a proper guild with a schedule. The tryharding, min-maxing and living everyday in the game while being a part of 25+ same-minded people was what made it fun for me from 2005 all the way to early 2020. Lot of people I talk to tell me WoW is dead because it changed. In my opinion, we all have changed more than the game did.
The people who put those raids together deserve all the credit. The rest are just above average players of which there are many. But there aren't that many people able to lead with an iron fist.
Loot from Ulduar and TOC was upgraded on WOTKL Classic, better stats, that's why too.
Its not that this was hard back in the day it was the technology that we used that made it more difficult computers had alot higher input lag with alot lower fps and the internet was hot garbage id be alot more impressed if they beat this on a mid range computer from 2009 2010 with equivalent internet connection
And people didn't have the benefit of past experience with years of private server and ptr time. That is what is key thing.
dont get it twisted, a regular hc ish guild on retail would wipe on this for days (source: my guild and 3 other guilds who do low tier mythic raiding on retail).
(but we don't really practice like these guys or the mega tryhards do and we don't use any specia laddons).
I wish they had released classic without addon support. Would be interesting to see how much of an impact it really had.
We had addons in 2005. In 2010 Blizzard had to literally step in because the addons were so powerful, they reduced addon functionality again in 2016. These days they can't do nearly as much as they could back then, WOTLK Classic runs on a modified Dragonflight client.
@@EOHRyan I know, but still what if.
@@DeethAlAkir Honestly, without UI addons and damage meters I would have stopped playing in 2007.
And unless they did a better job of boss design it would just suck. A lot of mechanics people use addons for are damn near invisible without an addon, the addons kinda make up for bad game design.
Retail actually does this part of boss design way better, as do many other games. The addons were almost a response to janky game design, so I'll pass.
NOTHING BEATS HEARING THE CHEERS AND SCREAMS RATTLE THE DISCORD WHEN LK DIES FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH YOUR GUILD NORMAL OR HEROIC DOENT MATTER I LOVE THE WHOLESOME YELLS AND PPL ARE GENUINELY HAPPY GOTTA LOVE IT
while these people do play very consistent and disciplined , i have to say my respect for those doing it in classic is minimized by the fact , that this is not a world first in general , because classic is SO much easier and we allready know everything. Nothing new, and the patch we play with differs massivly from back then. EVERYthing is so much easier. This here is just wannabes patting themselves on the back in 16-17 year old game, acting like they are pros in content my grandfather did back then.....
If this was just about playing clean and disciplined , that would be a good video. Other then that, wow is dead, and these kind of videos are a testament to why.
Bro but it is a world first. Its world first classic but its world first. and trying to say stuff like "my grandpa did this" bro i would bet my cock and balls that not a single raid group couldve cleared ICC in ToGC gear back in the day. I mean its obvious they couldnt considering the first kill didnt happen till they had the 25% dam buff. I get that this shit has been solved, but its after people put thousands and thousands of hours into figuring it out. And these player put hundreds of hours in literally just practicing for this one moment, to do it with flawless execution. Thats the whole point of playing classic. I honestly feel like people with this kind of mindset that "this isnt the real world first" or "try it without addons" or any of the other bs are just angry they couldnt kill heroic lich king back in the day.
I love how bolvar's voice changed into the LK's voice... it was amazing
Wow, we fast bois.
I haven't played wow in over a decade, lost interest after lich king. This brings back fond memories.
for this game to have this add ons is just bad.
might as well do autoplay.
doing this fight with no add ons at all is a different game and everyone knows it.
I remember first raid you showing in this video, was my first raid AT ALL. I was a warlock and I nailed it, my friend gave me a full item warlock as a gift of playing good with low item warlock.. I was so proud of myself of being smart by learning it so fast and clean. these things were something that I start to know about myself... at a certain point, in other versions, I start to found none of these things, because of so many reasons we all know.
After 15 years and millions of wotlk funservers it's normal that people are prepared! Indeed, it was strange if they didn't succeed on the first run!
except everyone had icc gear and buff on fun/free servers :) these guys have ToC gear
Fights are actually way harder in Warmane private server.
I watched this whole run and they don't even take dmg compare to warmane.
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Would have thought Hodir would have been reality check the for a new pc. like 50% of our raid team had to for the projected textures because they couldn't see the ice mounds.
Man how did Warcraft lore go from SO GOOD to where it is now..
Wrath was irritating lore. LK kept taunting the player every other quest and just leaving for no reason. Even Asmon talked about it.
Dragonflight has great lore.
not at all both are terrible. @@AkiRa22084
@@AkiRa22084 The first time playing through wrath as a kid, beating ICC, watching the cut scenes, was a hell of a experience. The LKs lore might have been “ annoying “ but the build up towards the fight was EPIC. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion- I don’t care what asmons/yours opinion is. Look at your profile picture, you’re an anime fem boy- of course you would like Dragonflight.
So great i quit when i hit max level.
@@destroyFTP My profile picture is part of RGE's anti-sjw campaign.
I'm the opposite of what you think.
I had to stun the final Valk, back it the day, and that was somewhat harder to do since, Defile would spawn 1-2 seconds once it spawn.
I killed this boss back in WOTLK with the 30% buff. It's insane how shit we were back then compare to players now. I was in a top 200 guild then and felt like we were pretty good at the game.
Well don’t forget players since then had like 14 years to optimize everything 😅👍🏼 and they did aswell as playing the boss atleast several 100s of times.
Because you were, we are talking about years of a game being out of course players now are gonna be better at it
think of it this way. it was amazing back then cause everyone was 13 years old 🤣
@@MeeSeeksAndDestroy nah i was 23 and everyone in my guild was at least 18.
@@jrbizzle1832 there's better and there's people doing 40% more damage when most classes are 3-5 button rotation. it certainly didn't seem at the time like there was so much being unoptimised. this was wotlk not vanilla, we definitely knew the rotation, theorycrafting/sims existed, no one was clicking etc..
So I have played since about 2 months after classic released, I stopped for a little bit mid WoD, came back mid Legion stopped with bfa and then started recently again... I had raided since classic but wotlk was when I got into a very high end guild and we were first on our server for everything and man seeing that syndragosa fight brings back memories. He explains it really well it may not seem like a lot of hard mechanics but compared to a lot of the previous raid mechanics this one was just difficult for a lot of people. The regular heroic version isnt too bad but the real killer was the achievement for the Frost brood vanquisher. After we had heroic lk on a weekly kill getting that for our mains and alts was a huge pain and I know of 2 guilds that essentially disbanded because one was just having too many issues and people got frustrated and stopped and the other had to sub out several of their melee to have more ranged DPS for the achievement and they promised to do it again for those melee and they still were having issues the next time they tried so like 7 of their main raides quit lol. good times
These guys are well coordinated, but the use of addons diminishes the achievement to me. Might as well have bots do the fight at this point.
I can't watch the ending cinematic anymore without thinking that my entire biceps must be purged.
Addons really ruiins the wow experience honestly
Depends.. We had dbm, xpearl, recount, bartender and stuff like that back then aswell. Not an addon issue, a game issue
I was using all the same add-ons I use now in OG TBC back in 2007. Nothing has changed in that aspect. There have always been add-ons for serious raiders. If you think method wasn't using weak auras back then you're just clueless.
I was a "clicker" the majority of TBC and our guild cleared Sunwell eventually. Trust me I wasn't the only one clicking either...I only played one other game on the PC before WoW so blame Runescape, haha. However just before WOTLK dropped I switched to keybinds primarily for 2v2 arena and I felt like a god clearing WOTLK back in the day. I used minimal addons and most knowledge was word of mouth and experience...Fuck me an average raider now would put me to shame how I raided back in WOTLK. Times change.
I dont understand? Isnt this an old boss how is this world first? Ive heard of wrath of the lich king did theboss not come out back then? Sorry idk wow
world first in the classic version of the game
its not@@mitchellsayshi
It's world first in the new version of the game, called WoW Classic
@@afscrew123that's what I get for commenting before watching
people been giving confusing answers to your question, so technicaly you are right it is an old expansion to the game but blizzard has been re releasing old wow expansion for quite some time and wrath of the lichking is the latest one getting re released and this is the first kill for this
The music in the background brings back so many memories, when LK was new.
Can’t stand people calling this stuff world first. We have been clearing it every week for like 12 years
but... it was a world first. It was classic sure. but it was a world first for classic. And not calling it that discredits all the time these guys put into practicing this method, as well as all the time gearing the previous phase.
H LK 25 ,man was the one fight my guild could never get enough people competent enough to down. We had him on farm with two 10 man groups but that was both far easier and we couldn't recruit enough competent people. I think we managed to wipe at something like 14% (max buff and mostly H ICC 25 gear).
Never played wow can someone explain how cool this is?
Its a 6 out 10 cool
it really isnt
these people are getting a "world first" on a raid people did easily a decade ago, its not cool at all its pretty lame.
These 3 are haters. It's the last raid in the expansion. The 3 that commented will never complete it. The group did it clean and will get best in slot gear. It's dope
Haters going to hate lol
33:36 famous last words, everyone died a second later lol.
I can see why Asmond is impressed since he has never been in a guild that know wtf they are doing.
If you're not impressed by this you're clueless, 0 wipe 1h30 min speedrun in togc gear. Id love to see you try
@@ignatiusgod5935 yeah man im super impressed with doing countless wipes on ptr, on a decade old raid and u can do this on warmane the only impressive thing is the togc gear thats it
@@ignatiusgod5935 they use addons that tell them what to do xd skill issue retail raiders noobs xd classic is for gigachads COPIUM
ok so what you're telling me is anything that someone practices over and over to deliver a performance is not impressive?@@momentous4321
@@ignatiusgod5935 welll i have been raiding for 20 years in Everquest. That should be explanation enough and if it isnt you are the clueless one....
Definitely my favorite moment in WoW back in the day. I was playing a resto Shaman in a guild that got Yogg +0 9th world before the nerf, but we really struggled like most guilds on this one for a while. During enrage, it was me and a ranged DPS left, and he died leaving me solo, and my Flameshock tick finished him, Ventrillo went nuts, lol.
Remember falling asleep doing this with hand on kb...ran across and wiped whole raid while setting up, lol
do people know what "world first" means? the world first lich king was done over a decade ago. its not called "world first: within reason: for this generation:
world first 25HC 0% :)
@@Hesklif world first icc without fish feast is still up for grabs then? what about the world first icc with only keyboard turning? how many more world first then huh?
Lmao. World first: no shaman totems
@@HelloYersoGae World first: No flasks
So mad. Jesus Christ
Wow what an execution, the fact that paragon finished only slightly ahead of this group with everyone alive(as opposed to the 1-2 deaths here) speaks volumes to the level of both teams
Massive difference tho, Paragon did it when it was fresh new and difficult.
This is neither fresh or new, and with DBM definitely much easier.
How is doing 13 year old content considered world first... and fun... idk.
as one of the first disc priests to down h25 lk , i can say this fight was the hardest fight ever in wow for its time. learning the fight was so epically difficult and painful i literally went full pvp for the following 4 expansions
Taunts no longer work when boss is enraged. That LK kiting was done by hunters applying MD on different tanks
in terms of story telling - this was the END of the Peak of all the Warcraft Storys... Green Jesus was the beginning of the END
Yes Tirion, YOU have to unceremoniously die at the beginning of Legion only for your death to be overshadowed by Varian's an Vol'jin's.
the center to the edge of a circle is called the radius, which is half of the diameter(the total width of the circle)
hypotenuse is the longest side of a triangle.