480? HP & Too Soft Suspension BMW M240 on the Nürburgring
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00:00 Specs/Intro
03:32 Lap
12:28 Verdict and Other Car - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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I am more interested in that e46 to be honest, pretty impressive
Yes what a power
To me it looked like you really had 100hp more than e46 but it pulls away in corner exists.
I think this was a perfect example how power needs to be matched with components to eliminate bottlenecks..
He was on the throttle alot sooner as well sometimes less power lets you do that more confidently
True, engine is the last part you tune on a sports car; clut, bushing, suspension, aero...
M240 with 2/3fuel and 200kg. M3 with driver like me e.g., 60kg. M3 may be with semi slicks a lot wider than 245 on 240. And so on.....
@@RDEnduro It think the reason he was on the power sooner was like Misha said in the video, with soft suspension you need to wait for the car to settle after the corner. So with hard suspension, the lateral force is absorbed by the tire more than suspension, producing more grip, more consistent grip and car is not tilted, so you have lower center of gravity
Also his goes to show that Jeremy Clarkson is right... MORE POWWWWEEERRR!!!! Always wins against other mods.
When you think your car is sorted and then Misha comes along and tells you the truth 😂
I appreciate his honesty but it’s a hard position for him to be in to say anything. Hopefully most owners can accept the advice and “not let it affect their pride”. I love his commentary about parts and car and the track etc…
@@GrabberSmurf Yea, owner was humble and open minded. If i was him i would keep the comfy suspension and sacrifice those 10 sec that i would gain few times on TF 😂
Well, Mulgari likes to position themselves as both fast road and motorsport experts and the Icon 3 is better than a real M factory car.
Great Sunday video :) Thats Mischa !
Applause for the E46!! Showing what TRUE “M” pedigree is all about 🤣👌🏻👌🏻
Yea it's cuz the E46 is a actual M car , this is not ... In any way lol
i was not expecting such a dope chase. great vid
I love this.
Once I saw that e46 fly-by I said to myself - oh, boi, here goes that e92 sitiuation again and Misha will be on it. And I was not wrong, neither disappointed :)
Absolutely adore these "duels" makes the content pop-up alottt. Great driving overall !
More examples of nice set up m240is would be apreciated 🙂👍🏽
Awesome video Misha! Thank you
Love how when that e46 passed Misha turned up the skills👌 Best TH-cam channel.
You are very much the technical expert, and the expert gentleman. Bravo.
Nice set of wheels on the 240 those look very nice and suit the car very well. Wheels are what set the car off and have to be period correct👍
Love the new camera setup, videos keep getting better mate.
The chase was really nice to watch!
Good video as always!
Considering the car being from the UK, I'm not surprised with the soft setup on the suspension of the car . The roads are not letting you drive with a hard setup.
This does really not look like 480hp...
I mean, take it with a grain of salt because it's pretty inaccurate (and it's not on a straigt road really), but going by tachometer and timestamp at the start of the lap, it took around 11 sec 100 - 200 km/h. I think stock is ~12-ish sec with 340hp. Also would check out with the E46 M3 being slightly faster or par. Both cars also pretty much weigh the same actually (M3 ~1570kg, M240i ~1565kg). So I think Misha is pretty much spot on with the suspicion of around 380hp instead of 480hp.
480 ps stage MHD stage 2 7.7sec 100-200...
@@performance_club so yeah pretty much no way that's 480hp..
yap
Stock 100-200 is 11.6 sec in my 240 Rwd.
Now my car tuned BM3 stage 2 now it does it in 8.9 sec.around 426 hp
i am using m240i xdrive.i am also using mhd stage 2. but it depends on the amount of ethanol you put in, it can be 420 horsepower. apparently it wasn't like 480 hp
What a great job you have!
man that black bmw was pulling away like mad in every corner, much better suspension/camber setup
E82 is the perfect chassis to blend the E46 and F44/87 experience. A 1M or 135i properly set up like that E46 would be just so good to drive.
Well, the steering wheel feeling of the 1M really is trash against those e46 or older gens, imho!
Assistance is great ratio but idk why you just loose so much feel when comparing to e46 M3 or even E92 from which it has the front end.
Mischa, this car is the perfect combination for track? I was expecting a better lap but at the end I made my mind that this car doesn't have the 480hp stated by the owner. Thumbs up to the M3 driver he was going very hard man 👍
The suspension was also all over the place 😁
Owner said 480 ish. Lol.
I don't think it was 480. Suspension was also wet noodle. 240 is definitely a great platform with the right mods
if stage 2+ on 102 ron it is around 460-480. But those numbers are never related to track performance, when stuff gets hot power is lost. Source: passed a regular m2 on my 140i stage 2+, slowly lost power to the point he passed me on a straight again and my car went limp :)
Misha, unless you let off during the first pull along the straight, the 100-200KPH (even just using the speedo measurement and not GPS speed) looks to be around 10.5-11.5 seconds. Definitely not 480BHP if that's the case! I have an M240i with a stage 2+ BM3 tune and it will do 100-200 GPS in 7.5-8 seconds depending on the weather. It'd probably look like less than that if you were just looking at the speedo too. BM3 stage 2+ will be something like 450-480BHP.
Love the bimmer content 😢 thinking about getting a manual g82
So new springs for the kw3 and new brake pads, bit of weight saving will make it miles better
Remember uk HP numbers are always like 15% higher than anywhere else...
That widebody looks nice
Love the sound of the B58.
This is the biggest issue with people getting coilovers and I've seen it twice first hand, people buying them and assuming they are ready to go from the box without paying any attention or learning how the car adapts to different ride heights, spring stiffness and damper adjustments.
The KW V3 is fine out of the box:
- on a road car
- but NOT suited for a track use! …and also not matching with semi slicks. The tyre offset much less than the stock car which makes the springs even softer
E46 M3 driver was driving to the cars full potential but this M240i was a disappointment in the performance department. He needs to get the engine mapping done by someone who knows the B58 well and the suspension/geo setup properly.
That car would benefit massively from the XHP gearbox flash
Its only slightly to soft a bit more on the spring rate should work nice
That thing pulls!
Good video
When going over the bumps it sounds like the fans are letting of the air horns lol
5:15 this turn was minty. I struggle to connect corners like that.
Professional jr amateur here. 10/10 would hit a wall again.
That bmw has crazy potential
13:31 nice SLR
Another tuned M240i with the handling of a Vietnam riverboat. Seems to be a uk thing when M140/240i owners go straight for 450+ when they should address the poor chassis first. LSD, M4 LCA’s, bracing, bushes, decent coil overs before POWAAA. Always many tuned examples of these on autotrader with standard chassis, maybe lowering springs and spacers if you are lucky 🙈I guess it’s all about ‘gapping’ on dual carriage ways though right?
That bounces is it a matter of shock absorbers or spings?
Guess I’ll hold on to my e46 comp pack car a while longer 😮
Hey Misha 🖐
I am curious what's the reason You do laps in so many different cars?
And Second thing: Maybe could You do a video about Your favourite FWD, AWD and RWD cars with small explanation why and what do You like in that cars the most?
See You 👊
Not ist’s not ‘Clubsport spec’ !
If you choose KW V3 it’s more a road (only) spec !
1:47
Two things come to mind: 1) is that "really" 480hp? or is that other BMW nicely modded as well. 2) eye opening to see how much gas is needed for one lap.
This is the car that almost made me sick 😑
No wonder with that suspension
That E46 though!!
We need specs on that thing
Kw v3 is adjustable damping they are probably set like halfway he should have set them on max?
It was a Bumpy ride :)
Im a driver of a stage 2 m240i i will say when dsc is off the car doesn’t put out the same power as sport +
Recently bought One Is the turbo lago normal before 2k rpm ? Also does It out out less Power with DSC off?
KW V3 is great For ROAD use.
But for TRACK its too soft.
An the wider wheels (smaller offset) of this wide body conversion make the soft V3 spring rates even softer in reality
I always thought v3’s were top of the range just like b16’s from bilstein , what suspension should he have gone for ?
@@miguelsousa6216 yes V3 is top of the line for road use (besides XTAplus3).
But suspension developed for road use is not the correct one for track application.
For track you wanna go for e.g. KW Clubsport coilovers
Guys do you realise that v3 have adjustable damping they prob set on halfway
@@Jonathan-qz9kd maybe yes
But also the wider track of the wide body M240 makes the spring rate even softer than it already is from stock
Intrigued how the B12 is in comparison being developed on the ring and non adjustable.
Hey Misha , great video as always , quick question , for my stock M240i manual (M sport suspension) , I want to only do 5 laps of the ring , do I need to get new tyres , pads and discs or can I do it on the existing ones , but keeping in mind that all of those will wear a bit more ?
im not misha, but you should be fine going in stock as long as you dont go full ham. if you want to go ham, id recommend upgrading brakes due to possible fading issues
Epytec adapter für 380 m4 bremse vorne, stahlflex Bremsleitungen, motul rbf 660 Bremsflüssigkeit, Endless m4 Bremsbacken. Das ist Mehr als genug fur für Daily und track use.
@@paradox5556 Awesome , thank you for your reply :D , I suspect that any decent vended discs for the fronts and rears and maybe EBC yellow stuff should be enough to help with the fade?
For just 5 laps you will be fine as long as the current components are in good condition. Monitor the brake pressure while driving and back off once the pedal starts becoming soft.
@@performance_club of course, investing 2k € (?!) for driving five TF laps. Makes sense.
Nice M240! That e46 was rapid - wonder if it’s charged!
Nope
M240 with 2/3fuel and 200kg. M3 with driver like me e.g., 60kg. M3 Stoff with semi slicks a lot wider than 245 on 240. And so on.....
Does the bouncy soft suspension increase traction and reduce risk of short notice fish tail BMW action?
No , the body moving around is uncontrolled weight
The widebody gives me Assetto Corsa vibes
from the acceleration from the start this doesn´t look like 480hp. more like something between m2 and m2 competition
To be fair It's not common to have 480hp on these. You can do stage 2 around 450, but any upgrades after that will make it over 500.
My BM3 stage 2+ with Supra high pressure fuel pump is marginally quicker than the stage 1 power (7.5-8 seconds 100-200KPH versus 8.2-8.4 stage 1) but I have seen dyno runs from other cars supposedly around 480BHP with similar 100-200 times. I haven't had mine on a dyno though and it's hard to know which ones to trust, but a lot of 500-600HP saloon cars produce similar 100-200 times with a bit more weight. The M240s really fly because they're so light compared to loads of other stuff on sale today!
@@michaelkelly3158 The car from the video definitely did not look close to 7s on the straights.
@@mnoovurvi No, not at all - more like 10.5-11.5!
Dat is altijd de keuze die gemaakt moet worden, wordt het een GT of tracktool.
Suspensions soft cause it has adjustable suspension and adaptive dampers. You were in comfort mode, should’ve put it in sport +, which would’ve stiffened the suspension, added more weight to the steering, and given you access to all 480 bhp since it’s a valved exhaust. Also the m235i and m235ir had the n55 engine, with the m240i switching to the b58 engine. Edit- after further along in the video, I realized misha turned on sport + halfway through the video.
KW V3 is not adaptive
Henry Catchpole reviewed this car for Carfection a few years ago. Pretty unique road car but also feels pretty pointless as the M2 exists. Could explain why only one exists…
were i can buy the body kit ????? HELP
12:47
In Croatia we say:
Greetings. Excuse me. May I ask you a question?
That will take away more of his (track)time. Be quick and concise.
Which brake pads does he use and which KW suspension? I didn't understand it acoustically. By the way: Misha also speaks good German, as I hear at the end 😃
It's not the ride. It's the rider :-)
even if it has 100 hp more than the black bmw that was ahead, without a doubt they are not noticeable in the face of a less powerful but much lighter car.. I didn't like the constant rubbing of tires on the trenches, it distracts the driver and could cause problems on a track
Out of curiosity what brakes would you reccomend? I’ve got an m240i that i am going to be doing a few trackdays with.
Endless
Endless or Pagid RSL29
Endless ME22 is fine.
For GP track you might wanna add some break cooling on front brakes as well
KW V3 shocks absorbers are excellent !.
For road yes.
But for track too soft.
An the wider wheels (smaller offset) make the soft V3 spring rates even softer
@@vollcare4076 Ok. Then what shocks absorbers do you recommend for Nurburgring ?. Thank you.
@@mdev8846 with stock tyres size & offset the V3 might also work on track for some rounds, I’d recommend to firm up compression & rebound damping by some clicks
KW Clubsport. But it depends also on what tyres you are running.
Bilstein Clubsports are also amazing. Downside is the spherical bearing noise
The beep is from someone walking to close to your bumper
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I have 1 460 hp and tbh it feels exactly like a e46 m3
Thank you for following😂 Btw The weight is 1230kg
I like soft suspension, it's not useless if you're style works with it. People get used to following the same code without question, eventually it becomes group think. Having a loose ass end creates more grip than having the dime a dozen setup, but yeah the front end should be lightly stiffer than the rear not arguing that.
Does anybody know the damper settings (clicks) of the V3 coilover - as applied on this Mulgari
They have 15 clicks I bet it’s set on soft
@@Jonathan-qz9kd 16 clicks rebound
12 click compression
@@vollcare4076 yeah think your right
Pretty sure it's 480 crank/at the motor. Most b58 stage 2 tunes are 480 crank.
6:37 found a better driver than Misha !
F22 m240i bestes Auto 😍
What brake pads u will choose instead ds2500?
Endless ME22 e.g.
I love it when misha humbles these guys who claim big power numbers and think they have the sickest car. If I’m honest the car looks awful onboard and that e46 is so much better😍
Do you have a favorite suspension set up for the M240i? I’m looking to upgrade from bone stock
Daily ST -x best for that price. Track? St XTA +3
I loved the Bilsten Evo T1 on the Supra. Similar platform imo.
@@mgcharoudinI’ve heard great things about Bilsten I’ll look into them more thank you!
@@performance_club St suspensions, is a sub-brand of Kw ... with fewer advantages
@@performance_club XTA plus 3 is superb coilover for road, but for track a bit too soft stock spring rates
He paid for 480 but they only gave him 380, take it back and tell them you lost a 100 somewhere!
Failed the MSoP Test...Misha Seat of Pants, what better way to test a car HP figures mean nothing if you cant put it down to the ground. Well Done Misha Buddy.....careful though Buddy the speeds you are driving I would wear at least a crash helmet and some eye protection. Gotta love your passenger for his running commentary as well
Assuming driver skill being equal, a M240 with 480hp would still have a hard time with the e46 M3
M240 with 2/3fuel and 200kg. M3 with driver like me e.g., 60kg. M3 Stoff with semi slicks a lot wider than 245 on 240. And so on.....
@@tommerlin6579 I think its mainly the suspension that is the reason for the cornering performance we've seen from M3 here and not speculating how heavy the driver of M3 is 😆
@@frog382 😆ok. Suspension and much stiffer front end. Also the old Power Steering is much better than F Series.
wow it's rubbing all over the place
on the video the KW V3 looked more like a stock suspension wibbling all around hahaaha.
That's the problem with this type of hardware...the assembly isn't too complicated, but without knowing, the adjustment could be a mountain to climb.
The wide track / small offset make the soft V3 spring rates even softer
@@vollcare4076You are right. What model-brand of springs do you recommend for Nurburgring ?. Thank you.
@@mdev8846 KW V3 Clubsport or V4 Clubsport.
Oehlins road & track.
Maybe Eibach pro street multi
Sth like this
@@mdev8846 It is especially the calibration of the springs, which must be checked ... but the hydraulics of the struts are not to be overlooked ... it is a set.
Putting one without the other makes no sense (personal opinion)
Yep, spring rates are all wrong for the track hence the bottoming out and riding the bump stops but this is a better example of just how shitty the damping setup is on the sub-M cars.
It has a aftermarket suspension / springs
Seems more like a 420-430ps B58 to me
it really doesnt seem to accelerate faster than my stock infinity 2014 q50 at 330hp. but obviously through a video, perspective can be a bitch.
Always had that lawnmower feel with this brand which I never had in the Audi's I drove. Maybe I renew my experience driving something like this (once I've redone all electronics aircraft style so I can put some trust into the system 😁)
i looked at the playback speed for a moment :)
Please forgive me saying this , no gum should be allowed in these videos , great video Misha thanks
Yep while seeing i Say too soft and too much rebound. And It seems not with 480 hp...
Why ppl always have to flex with fake HP numbers? If ppl ask me i am always going with "uhm, dont know.. 140 somethin" and just surprise them :) 200 isnt that much either but for me totally fine :)
Which Suspension was that?
Apparently KW
@@mgcharoudin Not wondering about that, i had ST Suspensions on my Fiesta ST and had same Problem in Füchsröhre and Karussell... They are very good for Street and Comfort, but not for Track
@@mgcharoudin KW V3 he said.
Most likely with stock spring rates of 39N/mm front and 110N/mm rear
He has all the right mods but they are not working correctly. It also doesn’t seem like 480hp.
a car that's good on track is not good on road and vice versa. U can't compare set up for a road to one set up for track
Great car just better suspension and it will be 10x better.
KW V3 are really a good suspension, his just needs to be stiffened a bit , I’ve got bilstein b16’s which are pretty much the equivalent and handles great
Drive tribe vid ?
First here Misha..awesome as usual
luv me setup beemer m8 will destory anyfin - man
🤔 may be SAE gross horses power but not DIN Standard.
No way this thing has 480hp, not even close.
6:40 "slightly" humiliating to get overtaken by a 15 year old 335d 😮😮
Huh?
It's an E46 M3
Rip fuel
Wow the suspension looked like noodles. Might be good in the wet tho 💦