yeah most likely he has 3 imperfect alaya vijnanas? he could probably handle the data storm or it might just not affect him because different systems and all
@@slickensmcgee2259 What we can gather is from the times it has crossover. A few things like the Zero system of wing not being able to predict units with AV, and AV itseld being called leagues above psycommu in SRW. These kinds of things, plus how funnel tech normally is disrupted by Ahab particles. This does not apply to Aerial since her units act independantly. I would recommend checking Urdr Hunt episode 7 and 8 I think? Hundreds of Funnel like units the size of a MS which attack by lunching themselves against the Units showcase how a non AV Gundam frame can just obliterate such units.
It's like in one of those movies where the mc fight a rlly strong guy and the mc looses then comes back stronger and beat the strong guy.Exept here the new guy gets completely crushed
Here is my take on it: Data Storm would not work due to the direct link between Barbatos and Mikazuki, so Aerial can't cheat victory. Besides that, AV will not play such a major role. It can be argued that it would improve reactions from Barbatos, but ultimately the link between Suletta and Aerial and in particular Eri should be able to offset that, if not outclass it, since Eri clearly has the highest level of awareness, by actually being the mobile suit and not just connecting to it. This is also true for GUND-Bits, there was a line in Gundam Witch about their biological movement patterns, vastly superior to drone technology and regular Mobile Suits. Barbatos is clearly lethal up close, so Aerial needs to maintain some distance to avoid being torn apart. This issue is especially true given Aerial's lack of proper armor. However Aerial is very nimble, so that will help a lot. Barbatos isn't slow, but Aerial has been shown to be very fast with GUND-Bits attached, so it is reasonable to assume that Aerial can survive a defensive fight by just not enaging in CQC. GUND-Bits shielding will also be a solid defense against ranged attacks. However Aerial is slower when GUND-Bits operate independently, so when Aerial tries anything aggressive, Barbatos will likely be able to catch up. Barbatos is also resistant against energy based weapons, aka the entire arsenal of Aerial, but it stands to reason, that not all sections of Barbatos are equally resistant, hitting potential weak points or mechanical parts in the gaps will be crucial for Aerial to win. Given the GUND-Bits Barbatos will not be able to defend and position against that on a 360 degree basis, indeed giving Aerial a way to win this fight, since GUND-Bits were shown to be accurate enough to hit between armor plates. As previously established, this puts Aerial at a greater risk pf being caught, additionally GUND-Bits can be destroyed with ranged weapons, but they aren't easy targets, due to their advanced movement. They are also able to operate as a team, they are consciously controlled after all. I think Aerial will lose some GUND-Bits, before eventually dealing damage to Barbatos, somewhat mitigating its mobility, but not destroying Barbatos, so at some point Aerial will have to go in for the kill. Unless we are talking about Aerial Rebuild, this will require going for CQC with the Beam Saber, basically cutting downwards from the throat, avoiding resistant armor, in order to kill or burn the pilot, this is of course highly risky and requires Aerial to fight Barbatos in its most potent form of combat. Aerial does have the shield, even with incomplete GUND-Bits, this should help a little bit. Assuming 1 arm was previously rendered useless through GUND-Bit wear and tear, the shield could be used to fight off the other arm of Barbatos, giving Aerial a reasonable chance for a melee kill. That being said, it just takes 1 single blunder with Barbatos catching up too early, taking out too many GUND-Bits or getting a proper grip on one of Aerials arms in the final fight for it to just win pretty much instantly. However unlike most people here, I think Aerial has a decent chance to win as well, I would say it is probably a 70% / 30% in favor of Barbatos, but even that depends on how competent you think Suletta is as a pilot. Eri is a huge help, but yeah, one wrong call on Suletta's part and it is over. Honestly, Suletta is a highly capable pilot, analysing situations very quickly. (Her introduction in episode 1 is a good reference for that, most people would have failed to notice Miorine.) Growing up in Aerial and controlling it even as a child, she certianly has the edge on Mikazuki in terms of experience, however Mikazuki does have more actual combat experience and is probably even more observant, especially in fights. While initially charging in like a 1-trick-pony, since that is what he does most of the time, he should quickly be able to grasp the situation and understand the importance of GUND-Bits as Aerial’s only advantage, therefore destroying as many of those as possible as his new priority. This does put pressure on Suletta, looking for opportunities to attack from multiple directions for effective hits. Mikazuki is not afraid of playing dirty, it stands to reason he may even try to lure Suletta in for the kill by pretending to be more heavily damaged than Barbatos actually is. While Suletta is very skilled, whenever people were able to pretty much beat her, it involved some sort of trickery and she is too kind hearted to expect such things, be it anti-Gundam tech or Aerial’s remote shutdown. This is precisely why I think Barbatos has the edge here. There are just too many opportunities for Aerial to lose with just some proper effort on Mikazukis’s part, while Suletta would have to fight perfectly to win. Still, Aerial should not be written off completely, Suletta does heavily rely on Eri and even says so herself, if there was a fight with Aerial Rebuild within the Data Storm in space and Ericht controlling the actual Gundam independantly as well as the full swarm of mini Gundam GUND-Bits, Barbatos will most likely be rendered inoperable at some point.
One note, the frames beneath the armor are covered in NL, the modt pointing look of this is Kimaris and Kimaris Vidar having theirs painted purple, which it temporarily changes to black when it is Vidar.
@@ParagonGoetia As far as real life engineering is concerned, it is not reasonable to assume that every mechanical part, not even every exposed one, could be coated like that, as some do require their own specific kind of coating to function properly. Think of engines/boosters or hydraulics for example. This is especially true for machines designed to operate in space. While the frame doesn't take much damage, taking out boosters will render Barbatos immobile in space, even giving it a sufficiently fast spin will kill the pilot at some point due to G-forces pushing blood into or out of body parts. Surface level combat isn't looking muhc better for Barbatos, Aerial Rebuild was shown to be capable of sustained flight in earth's heavy gravity, regular Aerial can do the same in a low gravity setting, Barbatos can jump at Mars gravity and that's pretty much it. Case and point, Aerial is hard to catch and Barbatos is hard to kill. I am aware that Barbatos can not be destroyed by Aerial, for Aerial to win, the opposing pilot needs to die.
@@Darkwater2013 I get the idea, then again the point of it being applied like a coating is that it can be applied to ships, colonies, MS, cargo ships, etc. It allows cheap construction, fast reconstruction and mass production, same with the thruster the ships use following the same logic as the one of MS. Furthermore not a well known fact but at least in space the reactor itself can generate enough propulsion to be used through Ahab thrusters, which are not the ones you might see in the backpack or skirts. As to GForce they are not nullified but Ahab particles do lower the effect it has, the higher the concentration the better its effectiveness. Edit: that reminds me both the frame and armor are made of the same alloy.
Lol at the joints meme. That's why the biggest millitary force resorted to mass nuking the AREA to damage Barbatod rather than pinpoint and even THEN Barbatos survived and wrecked a bunch of their elite troops. And the implication is that a) Suletta's weaponry are even powerful enough to offset a CALAMITY WAR machine that was tanking MOBILE ARMOR BEAMS and b) he would just stand in place and not speed blitz her c) he would not use the hand cannons or tail
I find it so funny that people are doing all this scaling to find who’s the strongest when these two, along with the RX-78, are the weakest Gundams to exist
@@Blitzwingedits1291 to be fair he was already dead when he lost he died of internal injuries Nigga wa basically ghost piloting WHILE FUCKIN DEAD that has to be the most metal shit i've seen
Lupus wins. Why? Because the gundam aerial does not have a physical melee weapon to tear through Nanolaminate armor that repels beam. Also.. Mikazuki S2 is a more experienced pilot when it comes to close combat battles.
@@Silverbandit66 yeah, we all saw the mobile armor, Amuro Ray, Kira Yamato, or Banagher in the Unicorn, Setsuna in any one of Exia, the Quan(T) or OO Raiser would have probably an easier fight with that mobile armor than Barbatos did.
If it's base barbatos he will get clapped. If it's the lupus rex he will clap. Because lupus rex babatos had taken by itself down a mobile armor which was specifically Ai driven to kill any mobile suit related.
Lupus rex has a tail on its back which is powerful enough to spilt a mobile suit in half. You can see it in the last fight of barbatos. Its tail is powerful and fast enough to take down all the funnels. And it's tail can move indivisualy in any direction. So funnels will not be a problem for barbatos
Dude at the time mikazuki operating barbatos. It's a 300 year old machine and ripped anything that came its way. And let me end the debate by saying that the new episode of wicth of the mercury. Aerial is the girl eri itself. And for your kind information in the first season barbatos had already defeated the guy who was merched with his mobile suit.
All of the beam weapons wont work and will have 0 effect on any ver of barbatos and don’t get me started on how much damage barbatos lupus can do with just it’s hands
While it's clear that Barbatos is more all rounded, Aerial has a clear advantage by having more ranged weapons that have far superior technology to those of the mobile armors which would be the only reason of how Aerial wins.
@@IFartedbro aerial may be more advanced but if we look back to the fight against the hashmal lupus blocked a powerful beam weapon with just it’s forearm and taking no damage, aerials beam rifle shield funnels beam sabers will have 0 effect suletta will eventually adapt and get more physical but mika can still dodge and use little fuel and go great distances
@@IFartedbro This aged like milk after the recent look of the Calamity War. Have we forgotten how Vidar barely tapping on the limiters moved so fast he couldnt be seen and how Gusion Brewers, the maitreated version, destroyed a 500m meteorite in a single blow without having AV, on episode 12?
Aerial Data Storm "ONLY" works on PERMET based Technology. Barbatos Nano-laminated armor did NOT Nullify beam weaponry, but Resist it. Enough damage / heat, and the armor will peel off / melt
@exiagn0012 not really, being a gundam the nano laminate armour was much higher quality so the resistance was higher and the shiden successfully took a beam from the hashmal so aerials beams shouldn't affect barbatos too much
Of course it can as it is made out of pure steel which can destroy nanolimited and Aerial can’t do anything beside dodging the arrows or taking a melee weapon from the enemy as the laser and permet systems are useless
I just remember a standard mass produced suit in ibo tanked a laser that caused an earthquake destroying a town. They have to be the strongest physical gundams.
Then just... use solid shells against it? Whats it gonna do once its reactive armor lost charge? Melee block them? Oh wait, its a shonen, of course it would
Nanolaminate armor is also effective against physical projectiles as its energy-bearing molecules can absorb the impact from live ammunition and explosive charges. As a result, ranged firearms are unable to score decisive hits against them and may only shave off small pieces of it unless at close range.
@@gremorycarandang2544 read in the wiki that the nano armor does wear off if hit to much, so maybe lazer weapons won’t very effective at the start but if the pilot has god like aim and is somehow able to land good hits then barbatos maybe defeated cause of the constant fire rate it takes from the beam spam or the very effective live ammo.
@@linkdancer3890Not really, thatd be high yield and special material ammunition. We actually have never seen it wear off. More as to it being breached by high amount of mass with kinetic energy.
@@gremorycarandang2544 Or you are a dainsleif, a big rod that can punch through NL armor. Basically you need big mass for long range bullets. Also note that in Episode 5, Biscuit himself pointed out that Mikazuki was going to be fine as long as he was trading shots in long range. the anime already explained the effectives of shells against NL armor and people tend to forget that
you say ariel wins because of tech but thats why ariel loses. the beam weaponry would have no effect on barbatos due to the nano laminate armor and i with his allaya vinala he could dodge any attacks made by the bits not even mentoning ariel has no physical wepons so she cant even damage barbatos without punching and i dont think barbatos will let her even do that before he destroys her
@@meow-meow-beansIBO gundam frames is high tech nano laminate armor it's not easy to penetrate the frames considering they've fought the mobile armor hashmal which it's beam is 10x more powerful than a condensed beam particle attack
Not how that works bud, I is only effective against it's own beam weapon. Each universe has different beam weapons, gundam X has microwaves, 00 GN particles, Seed plasma, G Gundam has yes, and UC has MP. Putting a IBO MS against the is like Putting the zaku II against the gundam
yes it does depend on the different universes type of beam tech but since we have no info on that im merely going off that every beam rifle is the same in all universes since we dont know the difference between beam tech@@MPFX-99_Gundam_Astray
@@IFartedbro the Barbato 1-6 forms not but lupus and lupus Rex maybe but Marchosias yeah RIP aerial because the Marchosias solos a mobile armor on it own not only it won but it didn’t sun stain any damage and for the memes the unicorn can put class aerial in unicorn mode as well.
@@IFartedbrospeed alone beats her because she’s mainly ranged so he can just close the gap and dove all her beams and even if she pulls out her sabers he’s still gonna murder her
Barbatos is the best looking Gundam like a v taper build and is built different to other gundams even if it's centuries old it can still handle hundreds of modern robots with ease especially in its red eye form. Most badass Gundam I've ever seen and please continue the series
It's like if you put two characters with similar physical stats next to each other, but one has really good hax. If a character gets slightly nudged out in most stats but destroys the other in hax they'll win even if they take less points in a ranking like this.
@cg5380 i see, but the only Hax i know the aerial has is the permet score take over thing, and like maybe the emp? But doesnt barbatos not have permet score and run an ahab reactor?
I personally think Barbatos would've absolutely crushed Aerial since Mika does have a direct link to Barbatos and the spacial awareness have proven to be super effective in combat
i see a lot of people debating if aerial’s weaponry will be effective against the nanolaminate armor. but forget about the power sources of each MS. the IBO ahab reactors are semi-perpetual sources of energy while the WFM ms are indirectly suggested to run on battery power. barbatos will far outlast aerial even if the thrusters run dry.
Suletta is fucked when barbatoses limiter is off and she hears the fucking howling in the background getting louder as he starts boosting towards aerial
Also fun fact we dont even see barbatos full potential why? Most calamity war IBO gundam lost all their original arnaments for war and to make it even worst the Official IBO also said that if u list all pilot from IBO versus what happen at the calamity war Mikazuki Augus at best is and still a tier 3 pilot compare to the Calamity War Gundam Pilot which all on tier 1
@@nl7458The armours were same only thing were their original parts which were taken away after calamity war including barbatos as he was found in the mars sand by the President of Mars only to be used as a generator. Also Mikazuki has 0 experience of piloting gundam, with the help Of AV system he could control it like a Joystick so I guess he gained some experience in these 2 years and the upgrades given by the Organisation ( I forgot the name ) were far advance then the original
@@MohinUddin-rc9uxaccording to Urdr Hunt, not really, the power the units could use was never showcased in the original show, back then the machine would take on armies of MAs by itself by using its full potential as the limiters didnt exist until the war ended.
while Nanolaminate Armor ignore the beams, Mikazuki can clap her once and don't come back. really? you forgot Nanolaminate that can disable all eri's attack beside physical contact?
MA Hashmal beamshot a cheap mass production MS dead on and the blast engulfed the entire upper torso including the exposed waist and joints but the MS is still intact.
@@maybeharold"wouldn't be hard" that's why the biggest millitary force resorted to mass nuking the AREA to damage Barbatod rather than pinpoint and even THEN Barbatos survived and wrecked a bunch of their elite troops.
Just letting everybody know. Barbatos actually won in this edit if you check the edit Barbatos has 9 points while Aerial has 7 points. I'm pretty sure this is an editing mistake and we should know that the strength of Barbatos and speed is not a small difference it's a very big difference and you have to be aware that Mikazuki although may have the alaya vinjana system, but we have to differenciate the difference between spatial awareness and reaction time. There is no point os so much info if you can't react or can't decide what to do with it. And as pilots if Barbatos had the same amount of technological advancments as Aerial, Aerial is going to die it has absolute zero chance of surviving. Listen no point in arguing my agrument is factual and reasonable
Guys, nanolaminate is not Armor, it's more like a coating, a paintjob. With enough beam spam that thing WILL wear down and with aerial's set of infinite beam and extreme mobility the Barbatos just turns into melted metal.
Ive been documenting official info in GundamIBO_Central. No it wont melt. The beam weapons are considered obsolete by the staff, its applied like a coating but it works like armor. NL is ever only shown to be damaged when you see blue trail of light in the battles, otherwise sparks from kinetic blows are marks for impacts and white trails represent a lack of damage from an attack, aka every time they make a big fall or a beam attacks them.
@@ParagonGoetia that's beam weapons in PD. Beam in other AUs including AS are vastly advanced and different. NLA wears down in response to extreme heat, which is easily done by beam weaponry.
@@randominternetguy88 No it doesnt... it literally is never stated in any documentation, if you mean the napalm missiles then no those are due to its chemical composition not heat since atmospherical entry, which is done a lot in S2, far supasses any of that. Beam weapons are also extremely powerful with a small unit like the hashmal destroying kilometers in a blink. Lets not even mention the bigger units like Harael which are 150 meters in height. The weapons in PD are also more efficient and dangerous, the reason the moon is almost completely gone too. The Dainself itself in the small barrage of 6 broke the crust of Mars, for a mass produced unit thats a lot, reason why they are almost exclusively used in space. Its like having a protable planet cracker through rough kinetic force.
@@randominternetguy88Ok show an example of this happening in the show then? This is a CALAMITY WAR mech and Rides mass produced suit didn't melt from a hit from the MA. Barbatos is surviving beam weaponry. It took them nuking the area with a physical weapon to damage him.
@@HSE331 First of all, the Shiden that Ride used had it's Ahab reactor and Io frame extracted from the remains of the calamity war. Second, nanolaminate does not absorb beam, it only deflects it. That's why it did nothing to Ride's Shiden but completely ravaged the settlement behind it. It is confirmed that high heat can melt off nanolaminate, as it is mentioned somewhere napalm can damage nanolaminate. Also it's not armor, it's paint, reinforced by Ahab particles, so the difference of a calamity war mobile suit with nanolaminate and modern MS with nanolaminate is about the same, except a Gundam has two ahab reactors so it has technically more energy capacity. Beam weapons in Calamity War were obsolete because nanolaminate was cheap compared to the energy necessary for beam weapons. It is more of a primitive-medieval era and technology isn't super advanced unlike U.C or A.S.
Reminder to barbie fans. Nanolaminate armor isn't completely immune to beam weapons. It can still be worn out with enough attacks, and even if it's immune, the pilot will still be cooked inside the cockpit due to the heat.
Not true, at all. When Ride was hit with Hashmal’s beam cannon, he wasn’t even physically harmed in the cockpit and only mentioned it was hot after getting hit. He literally got up and tried to fight/divert the hashmal’s movements again, without even getting minor burns. Also keep in mind, Ride was in a mass produced grunt suit not a Gundam frame like Barbatos. So although there COULD be the possibility that a beam CANNON (not rifle or blade) could melt the pilot inside the cockpit there’s no actual proof to back up that claim that you just made. Actual misinformation.
@@kingkoua1 Its people just quoting stuff they dont even have the proper info for. Which is partvof why the Japanese info archive never mentions it. Even Urdr Hunt on episode 12 I believe, basically confirms this.
if you read the spec sheet of both gundams Aerial's only advantage is the new type tech, beam weapons and funnels, Barbatos on the other hand is highly energy weapon resistant and immune to new type tech, not including the fact that the pilot Mikazuki can handle funnels just fine, i mean the guy fought a mobile suit with a just a anti-personnel vehicle in episode one Aerial's pilot is also lacks combat experience and very emotionally unstable, contrary to Mikazuki who follows orders to the dot, and had combat experience since he was a child before he had surgically acquired the AV system
Iam curious if aerial is actually alive because eri is inside data storm , is barbatos also has his own consciousness? I mean mika talk to batbatos several times.
Whatever is inside Barbatos is staying in there. IBO unlike its cousin timelines, went a more analogue approach, in part due to the amount of interferance. Data storms, and most New type tech would not be able to interact with theirs since its almost like a closed computer.
If Barbatos lupus and Aerial would face off in combat Barbatos lupus would have the upper hand due to his powerful physical attacks, greater reaction time, speed, no hesitation, and nanolaminate armor. Aerial on the other hand would dominate in pure tech being a newer mobile suit, gun bits, powerful beam rifles, and duel beam sabers. However all of her weapons would be useless against Barbatos lupus due to his immunity towards beam weaponry, Aerial has little physical combat options and her data storm would be useless due to Barbatos being a very old mobile suit and thus not having any modern tech to control. Barbatos lupus unpredictable savage nature would also be a huge challenge towards Aerial, not to mention Barbatos has more experience than Aerial.
Incorrect, IBO has the Cocoons defense system, as shown in Urdr Hunt, composed of Hundreds of units that work like kamikaze Funnels the size of a MS, using their speed and mass, given the fact they are made of the same high density alloy, to breach through the suits and eliminate the target by acting like a bee hive, or a congregation of crickets. It was shown that a novice pilot without an AV on a Gundam frame could easily dispatch them due to the base performance of it. Further more if we speak specifically of said weaponry due to the Ahab interferance everythibg was wired when piloted, so Gundam Murmur uses its blades as such while keeping them wired. For an AV user with experience and good judgement, not even in a Gundam, itd be hard for Funnels to keep up. Afterall AV was made to counter supercomputers and thus why the Zero system of the Wing also doesnt work.
@@exiagn0012 AV can counter computer systems like the Zero system. Trans Am is a system overclock for the GN drive, so not a counter, more as to the fact that Trans Am would provide its user the high speed we see while only a few machines in PD go beyond that. Most notably in Mechanical works Mika's 3 plug link, The AV E of Kimaris Vidar and McGillis Rebirth AV are mentioned to be equal to each other. Given how from the perspective of a person in the ground the Vidar with the AV E would in ocassion move fast enough to not be seen by McGillis, thats the kind of perfomance that could be a real mess for trans am users, we will probably see something like that on the build metaverse mini series releasing this October.
I guess barbatos act the winner, well cuz barbatos armor can withstand with beam attack. You can see it from build diver ova if i not mistaken. Beside. Aerial don't have phase shift armor like gundam seed have that can withstand live armor and metal weapons
Haven't watch G-witch yet. I've always thought the Barbatos Lupus Rex was the weakest Final MC suit in all AU but if it claps the new Gundam then that's good to know. Edit: Oh the Aerial won? Okay I take it back lmao
@@exiagn0012wow, there's no way. The twin buster rifle was powerful though right? And the mobility of the wing zero ew is impressive too. There's no way Barbatos Lupus Rex could win over Wing Zero Ew right? Tbh I'm not sure. But that's how I feel anyway. Edit: and sorry for the late reply. I only got the notification lol
@@kaitoyuki The twin buster rifle is strong but can only attack in one direction. You can see the scene of Heero attacking a colony base with a twin buster rifle but still not being able to direct the attack in all directions. One shot from a rifle can slowly damage Wing Zero
You forget that the aerial's beam weaponry and hax are useless against the nanolaminate armor of the Barbatos, not to mention the Alaya-Vijnana neural interface that can let Mika out-maneuver pretty much anyone
In my opinion... Lupus Rex vs Aerial : Rex win (nano laminate coat is the key) Lupus Rex vs Aerial Permet 6 : Aerial win Lupus Rex limiter off vs Aerial Permet 6 : Rex win (close win)
Armed with both anti-beam coated nanolaminate armor and the Ahab wave from his reactor, and not being vulnerable to the Aerial's data storm hack, I'm not sure if there's anything Aerial can really do to even hurt the Barbatos, even if it could land a hit on it. It hasn't shown any amazing physical feats like the Unicorn, and it has no melee abilities to speak of beyond its basic saber. There's just not a lot going for it outside of the unique situation that is the technology base of its own setting.
the Aerial is for sure more durable than the Barbatos, half of the Barbatos' insides are completely unarmoured, and he don't have shield hax, come on man.
aerial rebuild is more powerful becuz of the gund bit cannon and the new chonky rifle and backpack. also sulletta is very good at using the beam saber, she could easily stab barbatos and cut the tail. and also eri is aerial meaning it dosent really need a pilot.
You forgot about the Nano Laminate Armor did you. The Aeriel's current beam rifle is almost as strong if not stronger than the beam used by the Hashmal. The beam rifle of the Hashmal just deflected right off a grunt mobile suit when he tried to block the beam to protect civilians. the only thing that ended up exploding was the ammunition in the gun as the pilot was fine at the end of that. The Aeriel is primarily beam based, it has nothing physical to harm barbatos with. Also while it looks skinny and easy to hit, Gundams are made with Alaya vinjana users in mind and the extra mass would have hindered their movement, thus why most gundams ended up looking rather skinny. Not saying that Aerial would straight up lose. The issue is that Aerial has no actual means of harming the barbatos other than just punching or ramming her gund bits into barbatos while Barbatos is more than comfortable getting up close and personal with the aerial
@@zudahkai94 That is not really proven though. If that was the case, then why would the developers of Build Divers even bother programming in Nano Laminate Armor to work against other century beam tech? Just like how they programmed for SEED's anti Physical armor for the game as well. Until proven otherwise, Nano Laminate armor has to be factored in otherwise it's not a proper contest between the two suits.
@@muchluck7981nanolaminate is only strong against beams Not invincible against it They're not Akatsuki Gundam's Yata no Kagami armor which can literally tank a strong beam canon
@@ihavethehighground8697 Yes but consider this. Nano Laminate armor is so prevalent that it basically rendered beam combat useless in the IBO world. the IBO world can be split to 2 distinct eras, The Calamity War timeline and the Tekkadan timeline. Beam weapons are most likely considered forbidden technology thus why they are not produced in the Tekkadan timeline while in the Calamity war, The Mobile Armor actually stole the blueprints to Make Nano Laminate Armor for themselves. That should tell you how truly valueble The Nano Laminate Armor really is if AI is stealing your secret recipe for no beams ever. Most other beam reduction technologies in other centuries were either too experimental or too expensive to be mass produced. Nano Laminate Armor is not only cheap but effective enough to basically render all beam combat in the IBO world useless The only things to have beams are the mobile armors themselves and they just use it to wipe out populations instead of directly hitting MS. Is nano laminate armor defeatable? Yes but at the same time we don't really know that threshold since you know, It wiped out all beam development in the IBO world. that is something no other beam defeating armor can say they did other than Variable Phase Shift Armor for SEED wiping out physical based weapons like machine guns
A Gundam with a massive advantage against beam weapons against a Gundam that almost exclusively uses beam weapons... Ooh boy I sure wonder who would win. Also Aerial's hacks are useless against Barbatos.
With weaponry I’m gonna have to disagree. The Lupus only had the arm cannons, arm mortars, and the sword mace. Aerial could easily dodge all of those due to the thruster layout and the fact that all her weaponry is ranged Since the GUND-Bits are swarm type weapons Mika would need to multitask between dodging all 11 bits while also trying to take out Aerial which also has the beam vulcans. Also, only the armor is treated with nano-laminate coating, so the frame is completely vulnerable to beam attacks, and the coating wears off over time. This does not mean Aerial would win, as Suletta’s fighting style is to distract with the Bits and then go in, while Mika’s is up close and very quick. But I guess we’ll never know
The frame is also covered in NL, not only do Grazes have it react to projectiles, Kimaris changes the coating of its frame between purple and black multiple times, Funnel systems in PD were shown in Urdr Hunt, swarms of hundreds made of the same high alloy using their speed and mass to overwhelm pilots, each acting as a Pluma and being the size of a MS, a Gundam frame with a novice pilot without AV could easily dispatch them. Not only this, Vidars Type E which is just an equivalent to Mikas 3 plug after Edmoton moves fast enough against non AV users to the point of not being visible, all Gundams can do flight, underwater combat and ground operations. Add to this the fact that in universe the ranged ammunitions are not effective unless you have a few 200mm rounds right at the cabin without armor covering it. Add NL practically nullifying energy based attacks, the only ones to have an effect show sparks and a blue trail, with white just for effect and no actual damage. (as mentioned in the mechanical works) And well, the data storm that could even be a threat to the Unicorn not working due to Ahab interferance and most of their tech working like a closed computer.
Suletta is talented, plus Aerial did most of the job plus handling the data Strom. While Mikazuki is most experienced with Gundam since he fought many strong opponents. Mikazuki will have it easy
I doubt Aerial can beat Barbatos. Aside from the data storm, Aerial can only spam beam attacks which Barbatos can easily repel, dodge or just out right tank, dont forget Barbatos is highly resistant to beams. so even before Aerial can do anything Mikazuki might have already ripped off Aerial's limbs.
But wouldnt the Nano Laminate armor that barbatos has make most if not all of aerials ranged weapons useless against barbatos and even if they didnt barbatos has an insane reactions speed. Although if aerials weapons did affect barbatos aerial would win with the gunbits
Ibo gundam technology probably the most strongest and weakest gundam at the same time, Nanolaminate and Alaya is already top notch but they also have limitation in power output depend mostly on kinetik weapon
Barbatos wins because of one factor: Eri herself. Once the Barbatos identify that the Aerial is not truly being piloted by Sulleta, Mika can just turn the limiters off on his Gundam which will allow him to go full force and wreck her. Conclusion: Barbatos is the GOAT while the Aerial is the SHEEP.
@@exiagn0012 Yeah I agree. This comment is straight up dumb. Eri is literally the Gundam itself with Suletta proven to be no slouch in MS combat. Two minds against one, especially one that is in more danger of crippling itself than the other two.
Its not even about technology, Mika is simply just a better pilot. Like damn, nearly every ace pilot in ibo has took on fucking military's by themselves. Mika, gaelio, mcgillis, ein, amida (when she was a merc), azee and lafter. NOBODY in WFM has ever done that. On top of that suletta has lasers n shit while half the people ive mentioned are only equipped with a hunk of metal or a rifle
Barbatos can rip suletta out of aerial's cockpit before she can land a critical hit on him. Barbatos tanked a dainsleif round and still went on a rampage against multiple elite pilots while being severely crippled with no weapon. Aerial got her ass kicked on a 3v1 against trainee pilots as soon as her gund-bits were disabled.
To be fair on that Dainsleif feat, It was not a direct hit but instead the dainsleif being fired towards the ground and thus acting as an ICBM. Doesn't make what Barbatos survived any cooler
Fun fact barbatos and mikazuki can resist the data storm of aerial
I mean it's Mika and barbatos obviously
yeah most likely he has 3 imperfect alaya vijnanas? he could probably handle the data storm or it might just not affect him because different systems and all
It's Mika and barbatos anyway their goated 🐐
I don't think he would even be able to receive data, It's an entirely different format
@@slickensmcgee2259 What we can gather is from the times it has crossover. A few things like the Zero system of wing not being able to predict units with AV, and AV itseld being called leagues above psycommu in SRW.
These kinds of things, plus how funnel tech normally is disrupted by Ahab particles. This does not apply to Aerial since her units act independantly.
I would recommend checking Urdr Hunt episode 7 and 8 I think? Hundreds of Funnel like units the size of a MS which attack by lunching themselves against the Units showcase how a non AV Gundam frame can just obliterate such units.
Blud literally pit a child soldier against a high schooler 💀
Melee vs ranged
Highschooler was trained to be a child soldier.
It's like in one of those movies where the mc fight a rlly strong guy and the mc looses then comes back stronger and beat the strong guy.Exept here the new guy gets completely crushed
No, they put a child soldier against a high schooler and her AI sister/DNA donor.
@@zacharyradford5552 not trained, programed. Her sisters did all the work LOL
Didn’t the score end up with Barbatos winning? 9-7
Yeah your right thats I was gonna say
Stats don't matter in real life but in this case....
Yeah exactly
You are right he did
Yeah just their prejudice and barbatos walk over aerial
Here is my take on it:
Data Storm would not work due to the direct link between Barbatos and Mikazuki, so Aerial can't cheat victory.
Besides that, AV will not play such a major role. It can be argued that it would improve reactions from Barbatos, but ultimately the link between Suletta and Aerial and in particular Eri should be able to offset that, if not outclass it, since Eri clearly has the highest level of awareness, by actually being the mobile suit and not just connecting to it. This is also true for GUND-Bits, there was a line in Gundam Witch about their biological movement patterns, vastly superior to drone technology and regular Mobile Suits.
Barbatos is clearly lethal up close, so Aerial needs to maintain some distance to avoid being torn apart. This issue is especially true given Aerial's lack of proper armor. However Aerial is very nimble, so that will help a lot. Barbatos isn't slow, but Aerial has been shown to be very fast with GUND-Bits attached, so it is reasonable to assume that Aerial can survive a defensive fight by just not enaging in CQC. GUND-Bits shielding will also be a solid defense against ranged attacks. However Aerial is slower when GUND-Bits operate independently, so when Aerial tries anything aggressive, Barbatos will likely be able to catch up.
Barbatos is also resistant against energy based weapons, aka the entire arsenal of Aerial, but it stands to reason, that not all sections of Barbatos are equally resistant, hitting potential weak points or mechanical parts in the gaps will be crucial for Aerial to win. Given the GUND-Bits Barbatos will not be able to defend and position against that on a 360 degree basis, indeed giving Aerial a way to win this fight, since GUND-Bits were shown to be accurate enough to hit between armor plates. As previously established, this puts Aerial at a greater risk pf being caught, additionally GUND-Bits can be destroyed with ranged weapons, but they aren't easy targets, due to their advanced movement. They are also able to operate as a team, they are consciously controlled after all. I think Aerial will lose some GUND-Bits, before eventually dealing damage to Barbatos, somewhat mitigating its mobility, but not destroying Barbatos, so at some point Aerial will have to go in for the kill. Unless we are talking about Aerial Rebuild, this will require going for CQC with the Beam Saber, basically cutting downwards from the throat, avoiding resistant armor, in order to kill or burn the pilot, this is of course highly risky and requires Aerial to fight Barbatos in its most potent form of combat. Aerial does have the shield, even with incomplete GUND-Bits, this should help a little bit. Assuming 1 arm was previously rendered useless through GUND-Bit wear and tear, the shield could be used to fight off the other arm of Barbatos, giving Aerial a reasonable chance for a melee kill.
That being said, it just takes 1 single blunder with Barbatos catching up too early, taking out too many GUND-Bits or getting a proper grip on one of Aerials arms in the final fight for it to just win pretty much instantly. However unlike most people here, I think Aerial has a decent chance to win as well, I would say it is probably a 70% / 30% in favor of Barbatos, but even that depends on how competent you think Suletta is as a pilot. Eri is a huge help, but yeah, one wrong call on Suletta's part and it is over.
Honestly, Suletta is a highly capable pilot, analysing situations very quickly. (Her introduction in episode 1 is a good reference for that, most people would have failed to notice Miorine.) Growing up in Aerial and controlling it even as a child, she certianly has the edge on Mikazuki in terms of experience, however Mikazuki does have more actual combat experience and is probably even more observant, especially in fights. While initially charging in like a 1-trick-pony, since that is what he does most of the time, he should quickly be able to grasp the situation and understand the importance of GUND-Bits as Aerial’s only advantage, therefore destroying as many of those as possible as his new priority. This does put pressure on Suletta, looking for opportunities to attack from multiple directions for effective hits. Mikazuki is not afraid of playing dirty, it stands to reason he may even try to lure Suletta in for the kill by pretending to be more heavily damaged than Barbatos actually is. While Suletta is very skilled, whenever people were able to pretty much beat her, it involved some sort of trickery and she is too kind hearted to expect such things, be it anti-Gundam tech or Aerial’s remote shutdown. This is precisely why I think Barbatos has the edge here. There are just too many opportunities for Aerial to lose with just some proper effort on Mikazukis’s part, while Suletta would have to fight perfectly to win.
Still, Aerial should not be written off completely, Suletta does heavily rely on Eri and even says so herself, if there was a fight with Aerial Rebuild within the Data Storm in space and Ericht controlling the actual Gundam independantly as well as the full swarm of mini Gundam GUND-Bits, Barbatos will most likely be rendered inoperable at some point.
One note, the frames beneath the armor are covered in NL, the modt pointing look of this is Kimaris and Kimaris Vidar having theirs painted purple, which it temporarily changes to black when it is Vidar.
@@ParagonGoetia As far as real life engineering is concerned, it is not reasonable to assume that every mechanical part, not even every exposed one, could be coated like that, as some do require their own specific kind of coating to function properly. Think of engines/boosters or hydraulics for example. This is especially true for machines designed to operate in space. While the frame doesn't take much damage, taking out boosters will render Barbatos immobile in space, even giving it a sufficiently fast spin will kill the pilot at some point due to G-forces pushing blood into or out of body parts. Surface level combat isn't looking muhc better for Barbatos, Aerial Rebuild was shown to be capable of sustained flight in earth's heavy gravity, regular Aerial can do the same in a low gravity setting, Barbatos can jump at Mars gravity and that's pretty much it. Case and point, Aerial is hard to catch and Barbatos is hard to kill. I am aware that Barbatos can not be destroyed by Aerial, for Aerial to win, the opposing pilot needs to die.
@@Darkwater2013 I get the idea, then again the point of it being applied like a coating is that it can be applied to ships, colonies, MS, cargo ships, etc. It allows cheap construction, fast reconstruction and mass production, same with the thruster the ships use following the same logic as the one of MS. Furthermore not a well known fact but at least in space the reactor itself can generate enough propulsion to be used through Ahab thrusters, which are not the ones you might see in the backpack or skirts.
As to GForce they are not nullified but Ahab particles do lower the effect it has, the higher the concentration the better its effectiveness.
Edit: that reminds me both the frame and armor are made of the same alloy.
Lol at the joints meme. That's why the biggest millitary force resorted to mass nuking the AREA to damage Barbatod rather than pinpoint and even THEN Barbatos survived and wrecked a bunch of their elite troops. And the implication is that a) Suletta's weaponry are even powerful enough to offset a CALAMITY WAR machine that was tanking MOBILE ARMOR BEAMS and b) he would just stand in place and not speed blitz her c) he would not use the hand cannons or tail
I find it so funny that people are doing all this scaling to find who’s the strongest when these two, along with the RX-78, are the weakest Gundams to exist
When new kid meet the demon of gundam be like :
Barbatos will destroy the aerial for real
Wasnt Barbatos Lupus Rex also called The Devil Wolf King.
He has a a devil horn and tail
@@christianvirtudazo3106it’s Bearded Wolf King to be exact but still badass nonetheless
@@bladeoftheruinedking3889barbatos cant even fly. The only thing that can help barbatos stand against other gundam is mikazuki
Why should he need to fly?
Barbatos lupus rex(last battle) has joined the chat
Edit: MAMA IM FAMOUS
The one that lost?
EXXXACTLY
Oh damn, i m not even sure if a beam shield can stop an outer atmosphere dainslef, imagine what 100 of them would do to aerial💀
@@Blitzwingedits1291 to be fair he was already dead when he lost he died of internal injuries Nigga wa basically ghost piloting WHILE FUCKIN DEAD that has to be the most metal shit i've seen
Dainsleif : "Eat this modefakka"
Lupus wins.
Why? Because the gundam aerial does not have a physical melee weapon to tear through Nanolaminate armor that repels beam.
Also..
Mikazuki S2 is a more experienced pilot when it comes to close combat battles.
Gundam aerial has strong flying rocks
@@maxsirbaxlo9562
😆
Barbatos can dodge rockets or destory with tail
😂 good
aerial rebuild slaps its over powered it can fire without a direct hit * aerial rebuild is an enhanced version of aerial.
Barbatos might dodge the flying rocks thing because he gets boosted spatial awareness and reaction time and he is more experienced
The gund bits?
@@shrekusmcheckus9826 did you see what he did against mobile armor
roasted the gund bits 😂 nicceeeee
@@Silverbandit66 yeah, we all saw the mobile armor, Amuro Ray, Kira Yamato, or Banagher in the Unicorn, Setsuna in any one of Exia, the Quan(T) or OO Raiser would have probably an easier fight with that mobile armor than Barbatos did.
Bro literally got nuked but still survived, and yes it's not his true power
Yea
If it's base barbatos he will get clapped. If it's the lupus rex he will clap. Because lupus rex babatos had taken by itself down a mobile armor which was specifically Ai driven to kill any mobile suit related.
Barbatos is more all rounded as u see it got more points but Aerial wins by funnels.
Lupus rex has a tail on its back which is powerful enough to spilt a mobile suit in half. You can see it in the last fight of barbatos. Its tail is powerful and fast enough to take down all the funnels. And it's tail can move indivisualy in any direction. So funnels will not be a problem for barbatos
@@memebeam6632 You do know that Aerial has a clear advantage on technology which is literally the only reason why its winning.
Dude at the time mikazuki operating barbatos. It's a 300 year old machine and ripped anything that came its way. And let me end the debate by saying that the new episode of wicth of the mercury. Aerial is the girl eri itself. And for your kind information in the first season barbatos had already defeated the guy who was merched with his mobile suit.
@@memebeam6632 I'm talking about the technology advantage of Aerial
Its also cool barbatos and mikazuki resisting a high speed landing with no damages.
That was one of my favorite scenes of Barbatos Lupus💪
All of the beam weapons wont work and will have 0 effect on any ver of barbatos and don’t get me started on how much damage barbatos lupus can do with just it’s hands
While it's clear that Barbatos is more all rounded, Aerial has a clear advantage by having more ranged weapons that have far superior technology to those of the mobile armors which would be the only reason of how Aerial wins.
@@IFartedbro aerial may be more advanced but if we look back to the fight against the hashmal lupus blocked a powerful beam weapon with just it’s forearm and taking no damage, aerials beam rifle shield funnels beam sabers will have 0 effect suletta will eventually adapt and get more physical but mika can still dodge and use little fuel and go great distances
@@IFartedbro This aged like milk after the recent look of the Calamity War.
Have we forgotten how Vidar barely tapping on the limiters moved so fast he couldnt be seen and how Gusion Brewers, the maitreated version, destroyed a 500m meteorite in a single blow without having AV, on episode 12?
Acordate que pasa cuando el seguro de barbato lupuz rex esta desactivado un buff
@@ParagonGoetia thank you!
Barbatos rage mode has joined the chat
Aerial Data Storm "ONLY" works on PERMET based Technology.
Barbatos Nano-laminated armor did NOT Nullify beam weaponry, but Resist it. Enough damage / heat, and the armor will peel off / melt
Conclusion, Aerial > Barbatos
@exiagn0012 not really, being a gundam the nano laminate armour was much higher quality so the resistance was higher and the shiden successfully took a beam from the hashmal so aerials beams shouldn't affect barbatos too much
we all know that the dainsleif team will kill the a-eri-al
I get it lmao :v
Of course it can as it is made out of pure steel which can destroy nanolimited and Aerial can’t do anything beside dodging the arrows or taking a melee weapon from the enemy as the laser and permet systems are useless
Nice joke 🤣
@exiagn0012 Thank you. I try.
I just remember a standard mass produced suit in ibo tanked a laser that caused an earthquake destroying a town. They have to be the strongest physical gundams.
If I remember correctly that was Ride's io frame shiden right?
@@TomatoChan123it was a land man Rodi
No
Mike and Barbarossa would destroy Aerial. I mean have you seen the crazy fights they’ve won.
Barbatos is so advanced it literally went full circle and went with blunt weapons cause beam weapons do jack shit to it
Then just... use solid shells against it? Whats it gonna do once its reactive armor lost charge? Melee block them? Oh wait, its a shonen, of course it would
Nanolaminate armor is also effective against physical projectiles as its energy-bearing molecules can absorb the impact from live ammunition and explosive charges.
As a result, ranged firearms are unable to score decisive hits against them and may only shave off small pieces of it unless at close range.
@@gremorycarandang2544 read in the wiki that the nano armor does wear off if hit to much, so maybe lazer weapons won’t very effective at the start but if the pilot has god like aim and is somehow able to land good hits then barbatos maybe defeated cause of the constant fire rate it takes from the beam spam or the very effective live ammo.
@@linkdancer3890Not really, thatd be high yield and special material ammunition. We actually have never seen it wear off. More as to it being breached by high amount of mass with kinetic energy.
@@gremorycarandang2544 Or you are a dainsleif, a big rod that can punch through NL armor. Basically you need big mass for long range bullets.
Also note that in Episode 5, Biscuit himself pointed out that Mikazuki was going to be fine as long as he was trading shots in long range. the anime already explained the effectives of shells against NL armor and people tend to forget that
you say ariel wins because of tech but thats why ariel loses. the beam weaponry would have no effect on barbatos due to the nano laminate armor and i with his allaya vinala he could dodge any attacks made by the bits not even mentoning ariel has no physical wepons so she cant even damage barbatos without punching and i dont think barbatos will let her even do that before he destroys her
Nano laminate wears off, and pretty easily at that
While yes it does wear off i don't doubt that mika can dodge the shots easily.@@meow-meow-beans
@@meow-meow-beansIBO gundam frames is high tech nano laminate armor it's not easy to penetrate the frames considering they've fought the mobile armor hashmal which it's beam is 10x more powerful than a condensed beam particle attack
Not how that works bud, I is only effective against it's own beam weapon. Each universe has different beam weapons, gundam X has microwaves, 00 GN particles, Seed plasma, G Gundam has yes, and UC has MP. Putting a IBO MS against the is like Putting the zaku II against the gundam
yes it does depend on the different universes type of beam tech but since we have no info on that im merely going off that every beam rifle is the same in all universes since we dont know the difference between beam tech@@MPFX-99_Gundam_Astray
mika and barbatos goes beserker aerial is becoming space debris
Barbatos wins mid-hard diff
No he doesnt
No unfortunately
@@IFartedbro the Barbato 1-6 forms not but lupus and lupus Rex maybe but Marchosias yeah RIP aerial because the Marchosias solos a mobile armor on it own not only it won but it didn’t sun stain any damage and for the memes the unicorn can put class aerial in unicorn mode as well.
nano Laminate armor
@@IFartedbrospeed alone beats her because she’s mainly ranged so he can just close the gap and dove all her beams and even if she pulls out her sabers he’s still gonna murder her
Barbatos is the best looking Gundam like a v taper build and is built different to other gundams even if it's centuries old it can still handle hundreds of modern robots with ease especially in its red eye form. Most badass Gundam I've ever seen and please continue the series
I agree!
beam weapons arei ineffective in IBO so the fact that areil's weapons are all beams kinda makes it pointless
Barbatos 9 - aerial 7
Aerial wins... how does that work?
It's like if you put two characters with similar physical stats next to each other, but one has really good hax. If a character gets slightly nudged out in most stats but destroys the other in hax they'll win even if they take less points in a ranking like this.
@cg5380 i see, but the only Hax i know the aerial has is the permet score take over thing, and like maybe the emp? But doesnt barbatos not have permet score and run an ahab reactor?
@@OMGthousandrelic Aerial has better tech which puts it at an advantage although that is the only reason why Aerial wins.
@Thousandrelic I'm just explaining the principle of the conclusion. I don't agree with it, but there is some logic to it.
@@IFartedbro nah, the Demon wins, change my mind.
Mikazuki and Barbatose Lupus Rex would win, they literally fought until they died
On an unrelated note the two mechs look like siblings
Isn't that what all of the mc's Gundam supposed to be? Being really identical to one another especially with the colour palette
@@mr.jokermaker4539always seems each and every one is just a variants of the rx-78-2 fitted for the timeline's tech and vibe
When I'm in a meat riding competition and my opponent is a barbatos fan
RX-78-2 Gundam - the best 🤖
* activates alaya vijnana limit break *
"barbatos show me your power" after that it is over
I personally think Barbatos would've absolutely crushed Aerial since Mika does have a direct link to Barbatos and the spacial awareness have proven to be super effective in combat
But Aerial is literally alive and can think for itself. It's actually the one piloting Suletta not Suletta piloting it.
I respect your opinion but my belief stands firm, Not saying that Barbatos is superior or anything. I just really like the anime
Funfact , Barbatos is the only MC gundam without shield
Mikazuki beats the shit out of tanuki every time
Suletta: oh shi-
Lol
I stand by this live ammo better then lazers
i see a lot of people debating if aerial’s weaponry will be effective against the nanolaminate armor.
but forget about the power sources of each MS.
the IBO ahab reactors are semi-perpetual sources of energy while the WFM ms are indirectly suggested to run on battery power. barbatos will far outlast aerial even if the thrusters run dry.
doesn't dilanza use fuels
Suletta is fucked when barbatoses limiter is off and she hears the fucking howling in the background getting louder as he starts boosting towards aerial
We ain't see much aerial full potential all we can do is wait
Yessir, just a current speculation
Also fun fact we dont even see barbatos full potential why?
Most calamity war IBO gundam lost all their original arnaments for war and to make it even worst the Official IBO also said that if u list all pilot from IBO versus what happen at the calamity war Mikazuki Augus at best is and still a tier 3 pilot compare to the Calamity War Gundam Pilot which all on tier 1
@@nl7458The armours were same only thing were their original parts which were taken away after calamity war including barbatos as he was found in the mars sand by the President of Mars only to be used as a generator. Also Mikazuki has 0 experience of piloting gundam, with the help Of AV system he could control it like a Joystick so I guess he gained some experience in these 2 years and the upgrades given by the Organisation ( I forgot the name ) were far advance then the original
@@MohinUddin-rc9uxaccording to Urdr Hunt, not really, the power the units could use was never showcased in the original show, back then the machine would take on armies of MAs by itself by using its full potential as the limiters didnt exist until the war ended.
@@ParagonGoetia You know that urdr hunt took place between s1 and s2
while Nanolaminate Armor ignore the beams, Mikazuki can clap her once and don't come back.
really? you forgot Nanolaminate that can disable all eri's attack beside physical contact?
The nl armour doesnt cover every inch of the frame, wouldn't be hard to pinpoint the weak points with 11 gund-bits
MA Hashmal beamshot a cheap mass production MS dead on and the blast engulfed the entire upper torso including the exposed waist and joints but the MS is still intact.
@@maybeharold"wouldn't be hard" that's why the biggest millitary force resorted to mass nuking the AREA to damage Barbatod rather than pinpoint and even THEN Barbatos survived and wrecked a bunch of their elite troops.
@@maybeharoldhe would obviously posture himself to block
Hmmmm i wonder can nanolaminate resist the beam Magnum from unicorn gundam?
Issue is Ariel gundam has nothing to take Barbara’s out with. He’s a perfect anti beam mobile suit
Hashmal laughed at this
Don’t forget about the Nano-laminate armor. Mobile suits in IBO can withstand a multitude of different beam attacks because of it
Just letting everybody know. Barbatos actually won in this edit if you check the edit Barbatos has 9 points while Aerial has 7 points. I'm pretty sure this is an editing mistake and we should know that the strength of Barbatos and speed is not a small difference it's a very big difference and you have to be aware that Mikazuki although may have the alaya vinjana system, but we have to differenciate the difference between spatial awareness and reaction time. There is no point os so much info if you can't react or can't decide what to do with it. And as pilots if Barbatos had the same amount of technological advancments as Aerial, Aerial is going to die it has absolute zero chance of surviving. Listen no point in arguing my agrument is factual and reasonable
Guys, nanolaminate is not Armor, it's more like a coating, a paintjob. With enough beam spam that thing WILL wear down and with aerial's set of infinite beam and extreme mobility the Barbatos just turns into melted metal.
Ive been documenting official info in GundamIBO_Central. No it wont melt.
The beam weapons are considered obsolete by the staff, its applied like a coating but it works like armor.
NL is ever only shown to be damaged when you see blue trail of light in the battles, otherwise sparks from kinetic blows are marks for impacts and white trails represent a lack of damage from an attack, aka every time they make a big fall or a beam attacks them.
@@ParagonGoetia that's beam weapons in PD. Beam in other AUs including AS are vastly advanced and different. NLA wears down in response to extreme heat, which is easily done by beam weaponry.
@@randominternetguy88 No it doesnt... it literally is never stated in any documentation, if you mean the napalm missiles then no those are due to its chemical composition not heat since atmospherical entry, which is done a lot in S2, far supasses any of that. Beam weapons are also extremely powerful with a small unit like the hashmal destroying kilometers in a blink.
Lets not even mention the bigger units like Harael which are 150 meters in height. The weapons in PD are also more efficient and dangerous, the reason the moon is almost completely gone too.
The Dainself itself in the small barrage of 6 broke the crust of Mars, for a mass produced unit thats a lot, reason why they are almost exclusively used in space. Its like having a protable planet cracker through rough kinetic force.
@@randominternetguy88Ok show an example of this happening in the show then? This is a CALAMITY WAR mech and Rides mass produced suit didn't melt from a hit from the MA. Barbatos is surviving beam weaponry. It took them nuking the area with a physical weapon to damage him.
@@HSE331 First of all, the Shiden that Ride used had it's Ahab reactor and Io frame extracted from the remains of the calamity war. Second, nanolaminate does not absorb beam, it only deflects it. That's why it did nothing to Ride's Shiden but completely ravaged the settlement behind it. It is confirmed that high heat can melt off nanolaminate, as it is mentioned somewhere napalm can damage nanolaminate. Also it's not armor, it's paint, reinforced by Ahab particles, so the difference of a calamity war mobile suit with nanolaminate and modern MS with nanolaminate is about the same, except a Gundam has two ahab reactors so it has technically more energy capacity. Beam weapons in Calamity War were obsolete because nanolaminate was cheap compared to the energy necessary for beam weapons. It is more of a primitive-medieval era and technology isn't super advanced unlike U.C or A.S.
Mika already become a demon when he is still young, suletta got miles to go to be mika's equal
The barbatos is a older gundam suit and it kicked every other gundam suit butt so she doesn't stand a chance at all
barbatos Badas mode🔥🔥🔥
That's wild barbatos would definitely win.
This is the same equivalent to putting a cat and a lion to a fight to death, mikazuki smacks the shit out of suletta
The Weaponry gave me a quick chuckle right there
Of coarse barbatos will win he’s one of the most powerful gundams ever❤❤
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@@dranoelarios4788he said one of the most not the most.
@@dranoelarios4788He said it was one of the most, Not the most strongest
Im a diehard Barbatos fan but I'm not blind. He's barely in the top 10 strongest gundam lol
Reminder to barbie fans.
Nanolaminate armor isn't completely immune to beam weapons. It can still be worn out with enough attacks, and even if it's immune, the pilot will still be cooked inside the cockpit due to the heat.
Marchosias and episode 12 of Urdr Hunt practically said: nah, NL will eat it and then some, I rcommend checking it out on Traflagar blogs here in YT.
@@ParagonGoetiaot even mentioning the Nanolaminate Coating of Gundam Gremory which is supposed to be stronger than NL
NLA boasts high defense against beam weapons by dispersing the Beam energy minimizing the damage done including Heat.
Not true, at all. When Ride was hit with Hashmal’s beam cannon, he wasn’t even physically harmed in the cockpit and only mentioned it was hot after getting hit. He literally got up and tried to fight/divert the hashmal’s movements again, without even getting minor burns. Also keep in mind, Ride was in a mass produced grunt suit not a Gundam frame like Barbatos. So although there COULD be the possibility that a beam CANNON (not rifle or blade) could melt the pilot inside the cockpit there’s no actual proof to back up that claim that you just made. Actual misinformation.
@@kingkoua1 Its people just quoting stuff they dont even have the proper info for. Which is partvof why the Japanese info archive never mentions it.
Even Urdr Hunt on episode 12 I believe, basically confirms this.
if you read the spec sheet of both gundams Aerial's only advantage is the new type tech, beam weapons and funnels, Barbatos on the other hand is highly energy weapon resistant and immune to new type tech, not including the fact that the pilot Mikazuki can handle funnels just fine, i mean the guy fought a mobile suit with a just a anti-personnel vehicle in episode one
Aerial's pilot is also lacks combat experience and very emotionally unstable, contrary to Mikazuki who follows orders to the dot, and had combat experience since he was a child before he had surgically acquired the AV system
There're many kids here, they think Barbaros is strongest gundam and keep intentionally underestimating the other gundams
Pls more ❤
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Iam curious if aerial is actually alive because eri is inside data storm , is barbatos also has his own consciousness? I mean mika talk to batbatos several times.
Whatever is inside Barbatos is staying in there. IBO unlike its cousin timelines, went a more analogue approach, in part due to the amount of interferance.
Data storms, and most New type tech would not be able to interact with theirs since its almost like a closed computer.
if aerial could not beat the braratos i doubt aeril could even stand a chance against Gundam qan T
If barbados was in a absolutely god form you know mikazuki aboutta go full rage💀
Barbatos is The best
BARBATOS WILL KICK SOME ASS WITH LAUGHTING
If Barbatos lupus and Aerial would face off in combat Barbatos lupus would have the upper hand due to his powerful physical attacks, greater reaction time, speed, no hesitation, and nanolaminate armor. Aerial on the other hand would dominate in pure tech being a newer mobile suit, gun bits, powerful beam rifles, and duel beam sabers. However all of her weapons would be useless against Barbatos lupus due to his immunity towards beam weaponry, Aerial has little physical combat options and her data storm would be useless due to Barbatos being a very old mobile suit and thus not having any modern tech to control. Barbatos lupus unpredictable savage nature would also be a huge challenge towards Aerial, not to mention Barbatos has more experience than Aerial.
Barbatos is simply a brawler using conventional weaponry, all the aerial has to do is send the gund-bits and call it a day.
Incorrect, IBO has the Cocoons defense system, as shown in Urdr Hunt, composed of Hundreds of units that work like kamikaze Funnels the size of a MS, using their speed and mass, given the fact they are made of the same high density alloy, to breach through the suits and eliminate the target by acting like a bee hive, or a congregation of crickets.
It was shown that a novice pilot without an AV on a Gundam frame could easily dispatch them due to the base performance of it.
Further more if we speak specifically of said weaponry due to the Ahab interferance everythibg was wired when piloted, so Gundam Murmur uses its blades as such while keeping them wired.
For an AV user with experience and good judgement, not even in a Gundam, itd be hard for Funnels to keep up.
Afterall AV was made to counter supercomputers and thus why the Zero system of the Wing also doesnt work.
@@ParagonGoetiaHow about Trans Am system? Can AV countered it?
@@exiagn0012 AV can counter computer systems like the Zero system. Trans Am is a system overclock for the GN drive, so not a counter, more as to the fact that Trans Am would provide its user the high speed we see while only a few machines in PD go beyond that.
Most notably in Mechanical works Mika's 3 plug link, The AV E of Kimaris Vidar and McGillis Rebirth AV are mentioned to be equal to each other. Given how from the perspective of a person in the ground the Vidar with the AV E would in ocassion move fast enough to not be seen by McGillis, thats the kind of perfomance that could be a real mess for trans am users, we will probably see something like that on the build metaverse mini series releasing this October.
ビーム効かないしお互いリミッター解除してもアニメ見る感じ機動力で勝ってるからバルバトスが勝つかな？正直わからん。
I agree Barbatos wins. They have only watched Aerial or have lobotomised brain.
I guess barbatos act the winner, well cuz barbatos armor can withstand with beam attack. You can see it from build diver ova if i not mistaken. Beside. Aerial don't have phase shift armor like gundam seed have that can withstand live armor and metal weapons
Mobile Suit that has Alayana Vijnana system that makes Quiet zero useless with nanolaminated armour vs Skynet as a mech
The battle between the witch vs the Angel demon barbatos lupus rex
Haven't watch G-witch yet.
I've always thought the Barbatos Lupus Rex was the weakest Final MC suit in all AU but if it claps the new Gundam then that's good to know.
Edit: Oh the Aerial won? Okay I take it back lmao
My man it took a planet cracker kinetic weapon to take it down, data storms also wouldnt be a benefit.
Wing Zero EW also weakest final MC gundam instead Barbatos Lupus Rex
@@exiagn0012wow, there's no way. The twin buster rifle was powerful though right? And the mobility of the wing zero ew is impressive too. There's no way Barbatos Lupus Rex could win over Wing Zero Ew right?
Tbh I'm not sure. But that's how I feel anyway.
Edit: and sorry for the late reply. I only got the notification lol
@@kaitoyuki The twin buster rifle is strong but can only attack in one direction. You can see the scene of Heero attacking a colony base with a twin buster rifle but still not being able to direct the attack in all directions. One shot from a rifle can slowly damage Wing Zero
Nice biased opinion. But you won’t stop Mika’s grindset with that when it’s 9 to 7 AND favoring Mika lol
What's the name of the music playing?
You forget that the aerial's beam weaponry and hax are useless against the nanolaminate armor of the Barbatos, not to mention the Alaya-Vijnana neural interface that can let Mika out-maneuver pretty much anyone
In my opinion...
Lupus Rex vs Aerial : Rex win (nano laminate coat is the key)
Lupus Rex vs Aerial Permet 6 : Aerial win
Lupus Rex limiter off vs Aerial Permet 6 : Rex win (close win)
Aeriel: WHY WONT YOU DIE
barbatos: NANO LAMINATES THEY DEFLECT BEAMS IN CONTACT TO THE USER, now die
Armed with both anti-beam coated nanolaminate armor and the Ahab wave from his reactor, and not being vulnerable to the Aerial's data storm hack, I'm not sure if there's anything Aerial can really do to even hurt the Barbatos, even if it could land a hit on it. It hasn't shown any amazing physical feats like the Unicorn, and it has no melee abilities to speak of beyond its basic saber. There's just not a lot going for it outside of the unique situation that is the technology base of its own setting.
the Aerial is for sure more durable than the Barbatos, half of the Barbatos' insides are completely unarmoured, and he don't have shield hax, come on man.
Agreed. Too many barbie's hardcore fan who can't accept the fact
aerial rebuild is more powerful becuz of the gund bit cannon and the new chonky rifle and backpack. also sulletta is very good at using the beam saber, she could easily stab barbatos and cut the tail. and also eri is aerial meaning it dosent really need a pilot.
You forgot about the Nano Laminate Armor did you. The Aeriel's current beam rifle is almost as strong if not stronger than the beam used by the Hashmal. The beam rifle of the Hashmal just deflected right off a grunt mobile suit when he tried to block the beam to protect civilians. the only thing that ended up exploding was the ammunition in the gun as the pilot was fine at the end of that.
The Aeriel is primarily beam based, it has nothing physical to harm barbatos with. Also while it looks skinny and easy to hit, Gundams are made with Alaya vinjana users in mind and the extra mass would have hindered their movement, thus why most gundams ended up looking rather skinny.
Not saying that Aerial would straight up lose. The issue is that Aerial has no actual means of harming the barbatos other than just punching or ramming her gund bits into barbatos while Barbatos is more than comfortable getting up close and personal with the aerial
@@muchluck7981 you also forgot that nano laminate armor only works on beam weaponry in IBO
@@zudahkai94 That is not really proven though. If that was the case, then why would the developers of Build Divers even bother programming in Nano Laminate Armor to work against other century beam tech? Just like how they programmed for SEED's anti Physical armor for the game as well.
Until proven otherwise, Nano Laminate armor has to be factored in otherwise it's not a proper contest between the two suits.
@@muchluck7981nanolaminate is only strong against beams
Not invincible against it
They're not Akatsuki Gundam's Yata no Kagami armor which can literally tank a strong beam canon
@@ihavethehighground8697 Yes but consider this. Nano Laminate armor is so prevalent that it basically rendered beam combat useless in the IBO world. the IBO world can be split to 2 distinct eras, The Calamity War timeline and the Tekkadan timeline. Beam weapons are most likely considered forbidden technology thus why they are not produced in the Tekkadan timeline while in the Calamity war, The Mobile Armor actually stole the blueprints to Make Nano Laminate Armor for themselves. That should tell you how truly valueble The Nano Laminate Armor really is if AI is stealing your secret recipe for no beams ever.
Most other beam reduction technologies in other centuries were either too experimental or too expensive to be mass produced. Nano Laminate Armor is not only cheap but effective enough to basically render all beam combat in the IBO world useless
The only things to have beams are the mobile armors themselves and they just use it to wipe out populations instead of directly hitting MS.
Is nano laminate armor defeatable? Yes but at the same time we don't really know that threshold since you know, It wiped out all beam development in the IBO world. that is something no other beam defeating armor can say they did other than Variable Phase Shift Armor for SEED wiping out physical based weapons like machine guns
00 raiser vs exia Dark Matter pls
Alright👍
Yooooo
Dark matter is a toy the raiser is a weapon of war
Barbatos won't be affected by the data storm simply because it does not run on Permet
The witch of mercury meets the devil of mars.
The barbatos would kick the aerial's ass.
A Gundam with a massive advantage against beam weapons against a Gundam that almost exclusively uses beam weapons... Ooh boy I sure wonder who would win.
Also Aerial's hacks are useless against Barbatos.
Aerial would be dead before it even touched barba 😂
With weaponry I’m gonna have to disagree. The Lupus only had the arm cannons, arm mortars, and the sword mace. Aerial could easily dodge all of those due to the thruster layout and the fact that all her weaponry is ranged
Since the GUND-Bits are swarm type weapons Mika would need to multitask between dodging all 11 bits while also trying to take out Aerial which also has the beam vulcans.
Also, only the armor is treated with nano-laminate coating, so the frame is completely vulnerable to beam attacks, and the coating wears off over time.
This does not mean Aerial would win, as Suletta’s fighting style is to distract with the Bits and then go in, while Mika’s is up close and very quick.
But I guess we’ll never know
The frame is also covered in NL, not only do Grazes have it react to projectiles, Kimaris changes the coating of its frame between purple and black multiple times, Funnel systems in PD were shown in Urdr Hunt, swarms of hundreds made of the same high alloy using their speed and mass to overwhelm pilots, each acting as a Pluma and being the size of a MS, a Gundam frame with a novice pilot without AV could easily dispatch them.
Not only this, Vidars Type E which is just an equivalent to Mikas 3 plug after Edmoton moves fast enough against non AV users to the point of not being visible, all Gundams can do flight, underwater combat and ground operations.
Add to this the fact that in universe the ranged ammunitions are not effective unless you have a few 200mm rounds right at the cabin without armor covering it.
Add NL practically nullifying energy based attacks, the only ones to have an effect show sparks and a blue trail, with white just for effect and no actual damage. (as mentioned in the mechanical works)
And well, the data storm that could even be a threat to the Unicorn not working due to Ahab interferance and most of their tech working like a closed computer.
😂 do Aerial vs Gundum 00
Yessir
Suletta is talented, plus Aerial did most of the job plus handling the data Strom. While Mikazuki is most experienced with Gundam since he fought many strong opponents. Mikazuki will have it easy
😂
Don't forget Aerial got 13 people inside
No quiet zero?
I doubt Aerial can beat Barbatos. Aside from the data storm, Aerial can only spam beam attacks which Barbatos can easily repel, dodge or just out right tank, dont forget Barbatos is highly resistant to beams. so even before Aerial can do anything Mikazuki might have already ripped off Aerial's limbs.
Im sorry but the lupus stomps aerial
But wouldnt the Nano Laminate armor that barbatos has make most if not all of aerials ranged weapons useless against barbatos and even if they didnt barbatos has an insane reactions speed. Although if aerials weapons did affect barbatos aerial would win with the gunbits
Ibo gundam technology probably the most strongest and weakest gundam at the same time, Nanolaminate and Alaya is already top notch but they also have limitation in power output depend mostly on kinetik weapon
Disagree with those weaponary 🗿
Barbatos a savage
How can the aerial defeat barbatos, he has the most points, it should be extreme diff for aeriel
What song?
For example aerial can move by her self well baarbatos need a pilet
According to new info through Urdr Hunt that may not be the case.
Barbatos wins because of one factor: Eri herself.
Once the Barbatos identify that the Aerial is not truly being piloted by Sulleta, Mika can just turn the limiters off on his Gundam which will allow him to go full force and wreck her.
Conclusion: Barbatos is the GOAT while the Aerial is the SHEEP.
Completely a biased statement
@@exiagn0012 Yeah I agree. This comment is straight up dumb. Eri is literally the Gundam itself with Suletta proven to be no slouch in MS combat. Two minds against one, especially one that is in more danger of crippling itself than the other two.
Its not even about technology, Mika is simply just a better pilot. Like damn, nearly every ace pilot in ibo has took on fucking military's by themselves. Mika, gaelio, mcgillis, ein, amida (when she was a merc), azee and lafter. NOBODY in WFM has ever done that. On top of that suletta has lasers n shit while half the people ive mentioned are only equipped with a hunk of metal or a rifle
Aerial gonna die if barbatos eyes turn red
Barbatos can rip suletta out of aerial's cockpit before she can land a critical hit on him.
Barbatos tanked a dainsleif round and still went on a rampage against multiple elite pilots while being severely crippled with no weapon.
Aerial got her ass kicked on a 3v1 against trainee pilots as soon as her gund-bits were disabled.
To be fair on that Dainsleif feat, It was not a direct hit but instead the dainsleif being fired towards the ground and thus acting as an ICBM.
Doesn't make what Barbatos survived any cooler
Tanked isn't really a right word but to survive WITH that much damage to the barbatos and still kicking is the most impressive feat
Barbatos wins
Both of these gundams are savage when it comes to battle
If this wasnt barbatos last fight then i'd be happy