Banjo-Tooie Is AWFUL! [Review]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- Banjo-Kazooie was a great game. It was charming, simple, and most importantly, fun. With such a strong first game, it's only natural that I expected the sequel, Banjo-Tooie, to follow in its footsteps and be just as, if not, more magical... and boy, was I disappointed. Banjo-Tooie is awful, and in this video, I break down exactly why that is. I hope you enjoy! :]
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Banjo-Tooie is even BETTER than the first one, and Banjo-Kazooie was near-perfection.
Hard disagree, but I’m curious as to why you think Banjo-Tooie is the better one
@@Torran2Glitchy
It took everything great about the first one and expanded upon it, gave new cool abilities, actual bosses, different playable characters, Banjo and Kazooie could play separately or together, gave us new ways to play, gave us more to find and explore, and amplified the original gameplay.
I love Banjo Tooie and think it's superior to the first. I got Tooie before I had played the first and loved it, played it to death, then when my friend told me he had the first one, he loaned it to me and I just hated it. There was a diversity and non-linear feeling to Tooie, the story in Tooie that I felt invested in, going back to Kazooie, I had never heard of Tootie, she felt contrived and I couldn't be made to care if she wasn't important enough to show up in the sequel. I was also an opinionated 10 year old who hated changing the status quo though, so even though I've never played through all of Mumbo's Mountain, I'm willing to say that I'm sure Kazooie had it's merits over Tooie, just didn't seem as broad and spectacular as what I had already come to expect in Tooie.@@Torran2Glitchy
Tooie gang rise up. I too prefer Banjo Tooie and good points were already laid out above me. I don’t disagree that banjo tooie is needlessly huge at times (grunty industries in particular is abysmal (but I’ve also learned to love it at this point haha)) but I’ve always viewed this as world building, it made the world we were exploring much more involved. Comparatively, I think it is much more interesting than staying in a samey looking tower, with a few different landscape changes, for the whole game.
I also think the collection cycle in tooie is much better than in kazooie. In kazooie you have to collect it all in one go without dying, which in the later worlds can get really really tedious. Yes it’s more compact, but in tooie you are encouraged to explore your location and commit its landscape to memory and not just enter a world, complete it, then move on and forget it. Yes there is backtracking but having each world interconnected makes that backtracking fresh and exciting especially because the developers created really neat and creative paths that connect each world together. There are a couple critiques in this review that are pretty unfair that I disagree with. For instance the Mona Lisa comparison is pretty silly, you said that it’s like he made the Mona Lisa again but made it more edgy, and then spent the whole video saying how it is different than kazooie, then ended the video with “I just wish it was more similar to banjo kazooie”. Basically the Mona Lisa point was not supported. I also disagree with moves being coded into the game for only one jiggy. I can’t think of many moves that apply here, and some of them like kazooies glide move, or the banjo bouncing in his backpack move add more interesting movement options and come in more late gameish anyway so of course they will have less uses. The score also bangs so hard and not acknowledging that is a crime.
I think banjo kazooie and tooie are totally different games, and it really is just that tooies openness and emphasis on exploration doesn’t appeal to everyone, but calling it awful at the very least is pretty bold. One of the best parts with this game is that there are actually tons of people that recognize it as a masterpiece, and it’s nice to see some of that support in these comments.
Even as a kid who played both when they came out I enjoyed the complexity and tone of this game over the original. I was like 7 years and even then it was too simple and too short for me. With tooie I appreciated the amount of time and effort I had to put in every level to figure out what was going on, so Simpler is is not always better, at least not for everyone.
Since you hated Canary Mary's minigame in Glitter Gulch Mine, you REALLY REALLY would have hated her rematch is thee second-to-final level Cloud Cuckooland.
I was wondering how someone could have such an L take, then when you said you don't like Super Mario 64 it all began to make sense.
Indeed. But if you listen closely to the video, you’ll actually hear me talk about why my take is right!
@@Torran2Glitchy and not let people have their own opinions and make your opinion matter the most out of every other human on the planet. Dude don’t need to be sour about it. Quit crapping on other people’s opinions by telling them yours matter more than theirs.
@@Torran2Glitchy Except your take isn't right, banjo tooie is a true souls like of collectathons it's only good once you learn to improve what your currently doing and if you don't think about what your doing then it chews you up
My thoughts exactly lol... it's like, "you may like a few titles in it but... I don't think the genre is for you Lil bro lol"
@Torran2Glitchy saying a take is "right" is the pinnacle of cringe in gaming, (and most everything) lol😂 humble yourself or get out more.
based on your video "Mario 64 is overrated", your opinions sure are based upon a lack of clear judgement
I respect mario 64,but it's aged like milk
@@gdassspar6nr204 it hasn't, it aged as well as the rest of the mario games, ofc it will look primitive and have a bunch of issues compared with any game that came after, but of course it will, its mere existence is what led to 3d games as we know of it
Torran2Glitchy has AWFUL opinions
Naaaaaaah.
Banjo-Tooie WAS trash though, and I'm a guy that defends DK64. His only truly terrible opinion is calling Mario 64 overrated. No platformer before or since had controls as fluid or flexible as that game.
@@FuzedBoxTooie was fucking great, one of the best games on the n64
Now THIS is a "correct" take 😆👏 (also, hey buddy lol!)
@@Torran2Glitchyyeaaaaaah
I wanna respond, but it's difficult to know where to start, because most of the observations you are making aren't even wrong. They're pretty spot-on. I suppose that where I think you're messing up here is in identifying ways in which Banjo-Tooie is different from it predecessor, and then declaring these differences in gameplay to be objective flaws. They're not. Tooie DOES have more objective flaws than BK, but most things you're pointing out here are your own gameplay preferences and personal distastes. Or in some cases they ARE flaws, but you're still kinda overreacting to them when the issue is not really that severe. Or Tooie changes a certain gameplay element which results in the loss of one benefit, but in exchange for a different benefit you're not really seeing.
Look man, BK is a VERY tight and condensed game and it does that fantastically well. Small worlds, dense with content. It's why BK is extremely replayable. Charming, simple, elegant. And while Banjo games, to be frank, clearly are WAY stronger when they go this route... it is ultimately just a style some folks prefer and some don't. Some people DISLIKE that BK is so tiny that you can beat a lot of worlds in 20-30 minutes. Some DISLIKE that the vast majority of Jiggies are, frankly, condescendingly easy to obtain, often just floating out in the open. Some DISLIKE that you can just turn your brain on autopilot while playing BK. It is sometimes so colorful and simple that it can feel patronizing. And some people (people who prefer metroidvanias or long RPG type games) feel an itch for a nice big meaty adventure.... and BK fails to scratch that itch. A lot of folks prefer a long, bulky journey they can sink a lot of investment and brainpower in, it's more engaging for them.
Furthermore, even for folks who do prefer the unserious sorta oddball fairytale tone of BK, many can still appreciate the semi-serious, gritty, cynical, and gloomier vibes of BT. It's an alternate take on the universe that's fun to see. It's a little more real. Tooie adds less color and light, replacing it with shadiness. But a bit of shadow in an image provides it with contrast, depth and nuance, y'know? And some players have good spatial awareness/navigation skills---they are not liable to get lost in Tooie's larger worlds, so they don't mind how sprawling they can be.
I also would like to point out out that BK is WAY LESS of a 3D platformer than people always say it is. The core focus of BK is NOT platforming. You use plenty OF platforming to get around the map, but it isn't the focus. Banjo is NOT Mario, he is not an acrobat and his worlds are not obstacle courses. Banjo-Kazooie focuses more on EXPLORATION and minor puzzle solving/task completion. The platforming is sidelined, 3D platforming exists in bite-size chunks to serve as a means to an end, and is very rarely the focus. Which should be obvious in hindsight when you look at the Engine Room and how much of an atypical contrast it is to the rest of the game. Tooie recognized this and went further with it. It dialed up on the exploration, and dialed back on some of the constant collection of too many shiny trinkets. It's not a better or worse thing, it's just a different approach. Even if the result is worlds that are less elegant.
In summary, it IS totally fair to look at Tooie and think "where is my tightly condensed gameplay I was promised?? This isn't like the game I fell in love with! I hate this!!!" And you're not wrong persay. But somewhere around 25-40% of this fandom prefers Banjo-Tooie precisely FOR the changes it made that other people hate about it. Tooie is SO ambitious and huge that I do think a couple objective flaws wormed their way in there that weren't present in the first game, but mostly Tooie is just a different KIND of game. I don't think it's fair to look at Tooie's wolds being less condensed for example and proclaim this is an objective flaw, because Banjo-Tooie isn't trying to BE the same game as Banjo-Kazooie. It's not TRYING to be the same experience, it's not trying to DO the same thing as the first game. BT has a completely different design philosophy that is at odds with what came before.
Edit: Seriously tho the suction cup shoes could just be a ladder, lol
This is 100% on point the backtracking makes it feel like OOT and the worlds feel awesome.
The biggest mistake that anyone can do is to play banjo-tooie and think of it as a banjo kazooie sequel.
This game is a historical case study of great ambitions for a game on hardware unsuited for it.
Also, I would say Banjo Kazooie is built more as a platformer game, while Tooie is built like an adventure game in a similar vain as Zelda (but with platformer move sets).
I guess I have a higher tolerance for games like this and find the joy in them. I agree with some of your points, but I don't view them as serious of a problem as you do.
I feel like what threw people off from BT is that you can’t 100 percent levels without having to come back. People were used to the collecthathon gameplay from BK. Only freezeezy didn’t let you 100 percent without needing a power from the next level.
Honestly this game gets so much better the deeper you get. I wish they didn't require you to grab jiggies to open new levels since that slows game progress to a trickle. The gameplay loop of grabbing notes and learning new moves to then use in past stages is pretty good. It just feels daunting at the start especially when the first level has two different versions of sneaking one of which you don't learn until almost the end of the game. Meanwhile the sneaking you do with the control stick is NEVER used again🤣 yeah, i get where hes coming from with most moves only being used for a single situation. That's one issue i have with majora's mask too, masks arej fun to collect but only get one use really.
I still like it a little more than the first game since banjokazooie's over world feels really colostrophobic in comparison
True
I played and completed Kazooie a decade ago on Xbox 360. I had Banjo Tooie but it was in my backlog I finally got around to it this year on Xbox One trying to complete Rare Replay 100% and I went through it blind and I agree Banjo Tooie was tedious and unfun compared to the first game.
Tooie slept on.
Agreed. I grew up on BK. I tried playing through BT and it's not nearly as fun.
Honestly I think the division between people who like bt over bk comes down to patience. It was meant to be an evolution of the first, not a carbon copy; it's more complex, slower paced and darker-toned. More effort generates more reward, which is a sentiment that is almost nonexistent with a modern audience.
Yeah,but after collecting six jiggies in grunty industries i went into the next world.Its too tedious and confusing
Do you also hate Breath Of The Wild? If you think Tooie is too big and has too much backtracking Im just assuming you've never played any 3d open world games?
No I love BotW, TotK, and all sorts of open world games like Bethesda games and so on. The difference in those games is that the space has purpose. It’s used to house secrets or items or enemies or entrances or dungeons or anything you can think of. It’s used to entertain the player. Also, in those games, you have fast travel, so even when you pass through an area that’s somewhat empty, you don’t need to keep going through it over and over, you can just fast travel. In Banjo-Tooie, that space would be totally empty and would serve no purpose. It would only be used to extend the distance between point A and point B for no good reason. And even though Banjo-Tooie has warp pads to travel, you still need to walk through a bunch of empty level to even get to them.
@Torran2Glitchy What?! Have you even played Breath of the Wild? You could fit at least five Witchy Worlds into a barren space of rock or field you have to traverse (BETWEEN places you could warp from) Even if one considers collecting the same piece of flint or topaz randomly placed around to actually be content (which it is not), BOTW is STILL emptier. It also has long stretches of very repetitive scenery, which Banjo tooie never has, other than maybe some parts of Terrydactyland. But you do have an interesting taste in games (you think Mario 64 is bad) so I doubt this will change your opinion.
What about Sonic Frontiers
@@Torran2Glitchybotw's space has no purpose. It's a big empty wasteland full of korok seeds and shrines. I think totk did things a bit better by including caves but it's yet again a predictable reward within them. Majora's mask is the best Zelda you never knew what you were going to get. A unique mask, a heart piece, a weapon cap upgrade, or a bottle in the overworld. With the great fairies you had so many unique upgrades, too.
I love both these games, and Tooie has way more variety and unique charm than the original, BUT, I'm not gonna say it's as tightly constructed as Kazooie. It's VERY open-world, to the point that it's kinda a drag sometimes just to get places. BUT, it's still good when it focuses in on the gameplay, except for a few of the water levels (but I'm also bad at those anyways).
Tight is a good word for BanjoKazooie. Even it's bigger levels are just small areas
I don't agree, but I respect the fact that you're direct about why you don't like it and not trying to be "neutral" in a sense of hoping to appeal to people who do like the game so they don't get butthurt. So many channels do that and its nice to see someone being honest and unapologetic about it.
"I've never been angrier at something I 100% agree with"
I fkn love B-T! It's kinda terrible tho
Banjo Tooie is way better than Kazzoie. Way better. The Jiggies were practically handed to the player in Kazzoie's. No fun at all. Backtracking in Tooie is awesome, the world is connected, more moves, interesting story, real bosses
I haven't played either of the Banjo games, but after watching this video, something tells me you would despise Yooka-Laylee too.
Also how long did it take you to make that song?
Yooka-Laylee is one I’ve got my eyes on actually. If it’s a more modern take on the first Banjo-Kazooie, I’ll probably like it. If it’s more like Banjo-Tooie, then it will probably be a shitshow.
As for the song, I’d say between writing the lyrics, recording it, and putting together the visuals, I spent around a day on it. Lot of time for little pay-off, but I enjoyed making it :]
@@Torran2Glitchy I would recommend the sequel to it. It is not a 3d plattformer but more of an omage to Donkey Kong and it is amazing. I personaly like Yooka 1 but yeah, it is very flawed
@@Torran2Glitchy like Banjo-Tooie Yooka’s worlds are huge (which is what made me think you might hate it). That isn’t necessarily bad, but there is no collectible tracker, so I doubt I will go back to 100% Yooka. Yooka does has a pretty slow start, but after like an hour it becomes really fun all the way to the final boss. Hopefully Banjo-Tooie is much worse so you can actually like it.
And about the song that is some serious dedication
Good to know. I’ll keep that in mind when/if I get around to it!
Also I’ve always wanted to do a song for a video, but chickened out until I heard Glitter Gulch Mine from this game while playing it. I found it so catchy that I just had to put lyrics to it, even if I can’t sing lol
I played Banjo Tooie before Banjo Kazooie and loved the game. However, after playing Kazooie, I loved how simple and better that game was built. It wasn't complex, tedious, or as overwhelming as Tooie. I have replayed Banjo Kazooie far more than I have replayed Tooie.
I think it has something to do with me getting lost in Kazooie for hours and winding up with 50 Jiggys, whereas after playing Banjo Tooie for hours, I find myself with about 3 jiggys.
And do I hate the later levels of Tooie, which feel empty and tedious with the backtracking. Every jiggy was an excessive exercise in backtracking, which felt ridiculous sometimes. (Terrydactyland and Cloud Cuckooland sucked!)
I did enjoy the game, but I can't deny a lot of the bad aspects you bring up. For me, it was mainly the level designs that were disappointing.
I actually kinda like how more complex it can be, like Grunty Industry felt like a, well, Puzzle to figure how to do everything, I liked the 1st Person aiming for flying & swimming, and it's kinda nice to see how Banjo and Kazooie become kinda useless when they're seperated, it gives weight to their synergy. However, yeah the levels are just too big with little in them, some of the Moves are about useless, and even if I'd say both games are not so great for repeat playthroughs, BK was just more concise and I did loved its fairy tale vibe.
I disliked BT when it first came out, and I attributed the dislike to me tiring of collectathons at the time. A number of years later after the "collectathon" genre had gone dormant, I pulled both games up again, played through them, and decided I liked BT more.
Now idk if I should buy Banjo Tooie for the N64 with just how mixed people are with the game and is it true it lags?
If it looks like a game you’d enjoy, I’d say for it. Having played it, I personally wouldn’t, but my opinion on this game has proven controversial lmao
Best way to play is on the Xbox. If you plan on getting it
don't waste money on the N64 version, the framerate is apparently quite bad.
@@altair-x I've heard this the most sounds like the frame rate is horrendously bad I can't try it since don't own an Xbox and mainly a Nintendo player
I'm still getting banjo tooie lol
So strange. I heard you out and it was an interesting perspective but I for sure disagree with pretty much everything you said. Just directly did not agree really.
Having played both Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie, there are two things I think you’re correct about. The tone of Tooie compared to Kazooie, and Grunty’s Industries. I get that they wanted to make the stakes higher in Tooie, but this is also just a kids game. Grunty’s Industries has too much complexity even compared to the rest of Tooie. Everything else you mentioned I think just boils down to personal taste. Some prefer the simplicity and linearity of Kazooie and others prefer the big levels, backtracking, and more mini games of Banjo Tooie. I think that Tooie’s tone and Grunty’s Industries keep it from being objectively better than Kazooie overall, however, but that’s just me.
BAN THIS GUY NOW!
why?!?!?!
@@Torran2Glitchy BECAUSE I DONT LIKE YOUR OPINION
(its a joke lol, i love banjo tooie more than banjo kazooie but everyone has their opinions)
You're entitled to your wrong opinion and I'm tossing you a like for having the balls to share it so unabashedly, Chad move.
Thank you! My balls have never bern complimented on this channel before so I appreciate it
I wouldn't say better but it was pretty much just as good. I fucking loved them both to death!
This video made me sober. Thanks. 😒
I never cared about BK as a kid. Not when it first came out, not when I first played it. Everything about it felt too dumbed-down and childish to be interesting, the characters all spoke like idiots and had no personality to them (except for Gruntilda and _maybe_ Kazooie), and the levels were too small and short to be memorable. Almost all of them could be completed 100% in a matter of minutes without any backtracking, and then you just move on from it. It's not fun. But I can at least understand why people like it so much today. Its gameplay is just good enough to be fun and provide some decent challenges.
BT, on the other hand, actually changed my life. It's one of my favourite games of all time and one of the biggest reasons why I love video games as much as I do today. To me, it represents growth and maturity (I was 8 when it came out), and it shows with its larger scale and its darker tone. It never once felt dumbed down, and it introduced so many new characters with actual personality AND improved on the returning characters! It actually gave me a reason to care about what was going on, all throughout the journey.
There are some exceptions, of course. It is disappointing that Grunty drops her rhymes, but it also makes sense. And I agree that Canary Mary in Cloud Cuckooland is unnecessarily horses--- difficult. But I don't mind the backtracking at all--it keeps me invested in the larger world that contains all of these tasks, having to remember that there are challenges I can't do yet, and have to come back for them when I have the right moves. It makes the whole game feel like one big adventure rather than a bunch of short ones. For that reason, I don't mind Grunty Industries either. The whole level is basically one big puzzle that's very satisfying to complete. The only complaint I have is that when I'm finished, there isn't more to do. That's the hallmark of a fantastic game.
I'll gladly take a long, grueling, emotionally engaging, memorable journey over a short, bland, forgettable one.
nice video and i respect your opinion! but Banjo-Tooie was my most anticipated game ever. i still can remember buying the Club Nintendo ( german version of Nintendo Power) and reading everything Banjo related. i think this game brings a lot to the table. i love the Soundtrack and the darker atmosphere, it fits so good. its one of the best looking games on the N64 and i love that you can split the two. yes, i do miss rhyming Gruntilda and some transformations are really there for just one or two jiggies. but still. i think this game is really good and still holds up. you cant compare it to Kazooie. i think Tooie tries to be an adventure game. i love, how the worlds are connected, and i dont mind the backtracking. its no that much, as people on the internet say.
I also think it doesn't make sense to compare it to the first game. They are extremely different. However, it is a fact that Banjo Kazooie is a much more solid experience in the collectathon genre. Tooie really tries to be an adventure game, and it should embrace this identity much more instead of remaining tied to the collectathon aspect, which is much weaker this time. I think what frustrates people is that BT try to be both things at the same time.
Banjo Tooie is absolutely horribly paced for a collectathon game. Pace is really important in this type of game, and the size of Banjo Kazooie's maps and level design are infinitely better for this genre. It's a much more cohesive experience.
I love both Banjo games but I have a big problem with both of them: Banjo is just so slow. Even with Kazooie's ability to walk faster, controlling them is way slower and more cluncky than other 3D platformers like Mario 64 or Har in Time.
This affects Tooie more since the levels are wat bigger, so you spend more time slowly walking around
I think it would have felt more like Kazooie if we got to collect the notes individually instead of in nest clusters. The worlds would have felt more filled out.
Talking about the race with Mary in Glitter Gulch Mine not knowing about Cloud Cuckoo Land. I got every jiggy and had to break out a drill for that one.
A DRILL? Bloody hell…
Yeah, there was this neat video showing how to win her races with a power drill and some tape.
@@captaindynamite8936 I think the only people that like Tooie are the one that find the original too simple???
@@orangeslash1667 Nope, I just love both of them to death
@@flammable7961 Someone found a way to minimize the backtracking in Tooie th-cam.com/video/R4X8Cs-DiNs/w-d-xo.html
I've never heard someone talk so much shit about this game lol. I did find humor in this video but I loved this game. It wasn't perfect but it was different and that's what they were going for. Now Nuts & Bolts................
C'mon it's not that bad
Everytime I watch a Torran2Glitchy video, I feel like I lose like 100 braincells.
Bugger, I was shooting for 150
Tooie is good but I can see why someone would hate it. If I ever play it again I think it will be a lot more enjoyable with a walk-through.
Saying the greatest sequel sucks? Whatever.
I'd rather play this than DK64 anyday.
I love Banjo Tooie. It has this European aesthetic I like that DK64 didn’t give. This is a game like Siberia where you have to hop back and forth between levels to complete things. I think this is fine, the sense of reward is greater when it’s like this. I don’t mind spending an hour and a half on Maya Mountain if I’m not in a rush to complete a game but just to enjoy it.
I don't hate Banjo-Tooie. There's a lot I enjoy about it. My favorite levels are Mayahem Temple, Glitter Gulch Mine, Witchyworld, Jolly Roger's Lagoon, and of course, Cloud Cuckooland. But I don't like Terrydactyland, Grunty Industries, or Hailfire Peaks. Why? Because I can easily die. My favorite bosses are Old King Coal, Mr. Patch, Lord Woo Fak Fak, and Terry. But I hate Targitzan, Weldar, the dragon brothers, Mingy Jongo, and Hag 1. Why? Because they're difficult for me. I like all the soundtracks, and whenever I play it, just like in Banjo-Kazooie, I like to read what the characters say and do impressions of them. There are also fun mini games to do on multiplayer. I did all 14 of them on recording with 3 of my coworkers, and it was fun. Remember, it's my opinion.
I think it highly depends which one you grew up with. I've noticed everyone who played Tooie first prefered it. I went to play Kazooie as an adult and I couldn't even finish it because I just couldn't help but feel it was such a downgrade from my childhood classic that was Banjo-Tooie
Banjo tooie was awesome but it was depressing how dark they made it.
I'm in the same camp. I love Banjo-Kazooie as it is just hits all the right notes in a 3D platformer. However, even as a kid, I just never really liked Banjo-Tooie for many of the same reasons you mentioned. Tooie suffers from a lot of issues that are shared with Donkey Kong 64. Rare wanted to make a bigger 3D platformer but in the transition, it sucked out a lot of what made Kazooie so good in the first place! There were just many gratuitous things to artificially lengthen Tooie. It is just a slog to get through and I miss the _actual_ platforming. Instead of a lot fun platforming challenges, they just jammed the game with obnoxious fetch quests and weak mini-games. If there is ever a new Banjo game, I hope they bring back the actual platforming challenges and scale back the levels a bit. A bigger sequel doesn't always mean better sequel!
Love Tooie. But yes, I never did beat it when I was younger so as an adult I am excited to give it another go in the near future. I'm sure I will have gripes but I still remember many parts that I loved even though once I get to the dino world the wheels always fall off.
One of the creators said they wanted it to be more of an adventure game, inspired by Zelda OOT so I think they went a little crazy, complicated, and missed some big quality of life opportunities.
But, I still agree with almost all of what you said. I also love DK64 and have beaten that one...so maybe I'm a glutton for punishment.
DK64 is one people keep mentioning… I might need to give that game a try as well
@@Torran2Glitchy oh, in my opinion it’s a must. I love the game. I think you’ll like it quite a bit more than BT but also may piss you off a little.
@@bbhawks9060 Someone found a way to minimize the backtracking in Tooie th-cam.com/video/R4X8Cs-DiNs/w-d-xo.html
@@Torran2Glitchy That game is even worse. If dare to play that game try to see if Lanky Kong's streaky arms can bypass the B Lockers.
At the time when you play banjo tooie as a kid this game was amazing! TBH the backtracking exploration adds alot to the feeling of piecing things together. Much more light hearted than DK 64. This guy's opinion is irrelevant because it is narrative driven, instead of contrasting fairly and highlighting any positives. For the time this game was amazing. OP is Jaded and his expectations are unrealistic, that being said everyone is entitled to their own opinion. :)
I can understand where you’re coming from with this review, and i do agree on some points. BK is my favourite game of all time and hence im probably biased, but yes, i also felt like tooie lost the simple and straightforward beauty of BK. However it grew on me as i grew older and i somehow came to like it’s more variety full gameplay. Love Lord woo fak fak as a boss. Hes cute and easy when played against as a submarine. Canary Mary still makes my blood boil when i see her.
It's funny we both quit this game on the same level. Weirdly, I greatly enjoy DK 64 even though it has similar issues as this. I think the DK levels provided a better collecting experience, and getting the Gold Banana's were not long drawn out tedium for the most part. Usually a mini game, or a switch, or a fight. It does have large empty areas, and it does have backtracking, but I just don't think it's as bad as Banjo Tooie.
yeah i hear nothing but facts here, i don't get why people are defending the game so aggressively and insulting you for having an opinion, when youve been completely fair in this video, you werent hating on the game mindlessly, you wanted to like it but didn't and pointed out why, and im having the same experience playing through it at the moment
i was so excited to play this, but after the first two worlds i was so exhausted with how much of a slog it is
Even as a 7yo kid who played both games when they came out, I liked the original but also found it to be too simple, too cartoonish and too short for my taste, however tooie is my favorite game of the entire gen due to the amount of time and effort I had to put in every level to figure out what was going on and to get 100%, it grew deeply within me. grunty industries became my favorite level btw due to it's complexity and music. Simpler is not always better, at least not for everyone
I don't love banjo-tooie but it's far from a bad game, you sound like you didn't like the first level and that informed your opinion of the entire game.
Tooie > Kazooie
Gameplay variety, bossfights, cleaner presentation, and largely optional Metroidvania elements (which are _still_ uncommon in 3D platformers) will always beat out a formulaic collectathon that was essentially just ripping off Mario 64 anyway. Love both games, but Tooie has so much more value as a game these days imo.
What’s funny is that like banjo and tooie and Spyro enter the dragonfly. Thought they were great games.
Your opinion doesn't count because you said super mario 64 is overrated
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yeah if you couldn't finish mario 64 (the greatest collectathon of all time) then i have trust issues regarding your thought process
the back tracking is GOOD, it makes each jiggy more satisfying to get and adds a 'puzzle' value to the game
i agree it's not quite as good as the first one. but still in the top 10 greatest 3D platformers ever made
my gods. youre right. it took me so long to finally actually beat that game. and the reason why... just too much tedious nonsense. at the time, i was drawn up into the novelty of it all, i enjoyed it but, looking back it made it all into a boring chore. Also, funny you mention canary mary, she appears later in the game, if you EVER decide to finish it, prepare for button mashing hell
omg the dumb minigames and goldeneye/1st person sections were a pain i agree
Are you NUTS!?!??
This is better than the original! Just something about it was really fun - I hope Nintendo Online includes this one eventually.
Finally a review I can 100% agree with, my experience was exactly as yours... even so I managed to finish the game and oh boooy... you're not missing anything, what a bloated awful game from start to finish.
Its not a perfect game but its not horrible either. I prefer BK a lot, but BT has its charms as well
This is pretty good. But did you know that you can get two single quarter-pound kings for only $6?
woah
That's bait.
I love Tooie, except Atlantis. 3D water levels were ruined for me by the SM64 eel. Clanker doesn't scare me anymore in BK because quite frankly I feel bad for the guy. Still haven't gotten over Lord Woo Fak Fak. He's a friggin angler fish.
I will admit I think the worlds could have either been condensed a bit or more populated. That was my issue with Yooka Laylee as well. I think its a great game but it has its flaws. Great outro song by the way.
Glad you liked the song!
u need a completely different mindset for tooie where u let the game set the pacing and u just tag along with whatever happens. since u didn't enjoy the tonal shift this created a big barrier for u compared to someone who finds the setting interesting.
I dont agree with your opinions, this is one of my most cheerished and favourite games of all time
Wow, I was on the same level when I quit the game
I think that comparing Banjo Kazooie and Tooie is a mistake because they are two very different games under the hood. Kazooie is an actual platformer with small levels and quick snappy gameplay, while Tooie is more of a grand adventure game with a slower pace and a bigger interconnected world to match. I personally liked that it was harder to get jiggies, for whatever reason. I liked the unobtainable jiggies in each cus it felt so good once you went back and got them. While I do agree that there is too much fucking walking in this game (could have made kazooie 2x faster) the backtracking itself isnt really a bad thing, but i get why people hate it.
Where the game really shines for me is boss fights, Kazooie had literally 0 bossfights (no boombox doesnt count its beyond shit) minus good ol grunty of course. Each boss in this game was charming, despite some of them beyond stupidly easy (looking at you Old King Coal), Welder being my personal favorite, despite him being in the notorious Grunty Industries. That level had me locked out for ages as a kid, as I couldnt for the love of my figure out how to get into the fucking factory. I found the switch but my kid brain wasnt very bright so I didnt figure out i can just take the train there from anywhere. It is probably the most hated level in the community for sure, but on the flipside, finally getting all 10 jiggies in this nightmare of a maze was a dopamine spike.
Tooie bad? Tooie not better than Kazooie? what are we on about
Dude, I just met your channel with the Crash 2 being a almost perfect sequel video, and honestly you are so fucking underrated, you have such good quality in your videos and its really a downer that you dont have as much recognition as you truly deserve, please keep it going, I hope you get there one day, I'm sure it'll happen
Wow, cheers! I’m glad you enjoy the stuff I make. I like to think I’ve gotten a lot better since the Crash 2 video, but thanks for checking the channel out. I’ll do my best to keep at it :]
I don't mind Banjo Tooie, I do prefer Kazooie tho.
Tooie is better than DK64, Super (Overrated) Mario 64, and Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts.
I even prefer Tooie over both Sonic Adventure games not gonna lie.
That ending song was amazing!
Thank you!
@@Torran2Glitchy are you going to make a video on banjo kazooie nuts and bolts?
I plan to, yes! It may be a little while though
This is my thoughts on this game
For me I prefer the first game overall and while this game is not bad game it's sort of weird on how a Collectathon turned Metroidvania game. If people don't get what I mean by this well unless you like backtracking a lot well this game is full of that and there is a lot that backtracking to get JIggys and also the story it could have been better.
The start of the game is good and shakes up things with killing Bottles and to me that shows the tone of the game and I don't mind that it was a darker game but after you get up to the Jinjo Village, seeing the King and B.O.B cannon needing to charge up well the story takes a back seat for a long time till you reach the final level of the game and I remembered when I was playing this game the first time I gotten up to either Grunty Industries or Hailfire Peaks I was like.... why am I here? and what dose this have to do with the story.
Also what makes this game more frustrating that when this game came to 360 and then later on with Rare Replay you would think that J Studios, not to sure if they did any work on porting the Banjo games but I know they did use the XBLA version on the Rare Replay, You would think when they, J Studios, could have modern up the controls for example of this in the Rare Replay Jet Force Gemini, which came out before Tooie, got a patch that you could use modern FPS controls to play that game now why did Tooie never get this patch is beyond me but it would have helped if the game did get that patch.
Overall Tooie tried to much for what they were going for and the levels being really big yes that sort of reminds me of SA2 with Rouge and Knuckles last stages being way to big for its own good.
U can have ur opinion but the fact the worlds are too big with not as much to do is fact gameplay proves that
I think Banjo-Tooie is one of those games that improves after each playthrough when you know what you'rr doing.
Btw the song at the end was a bop
Glad you liked it :]
When you know what your doing and even learn tricks to get jiggies early its not bad. You can unlock grunities industry's without the train by using kazooie eggsz
Man I played both growing up and I just couldn't repeat banjo kazooie as much as I repeated playing banjo tooie BTW I'm a Aussie to lol and Aussies love banjo tooie 😅!
i mean he‘s mostly making untrue statements about the game but the disstrack is fire tho 😂
music brings us all together
I didn't like tooie all that much when it came out. It's really a different type of game. When i heard people saying - in recent years. That its more of a metroidvania type of game i really started to appreciate it more. And now i love it. Banjo kazooie was magic, it was lighting in a bottle. You can replay it in a speedrunning type of way. But BT is more of a challenge. You really need to think about it and stay on top of things. I think its great actually, way better than DK64 which doesn't hold up imo and some things such as the sense of humour are actually done better than the first game. The humour gives conker a run for its money..
I don't know if the game is good, I just played the first game (and I don't like it, yeah yeah, I know), but the art direction is top notch.
For a video showcasing an opinion I could not disagree with more, I gotta say… song goes hard.
100% Agree. I hated Banjo-Tooie.
My favorite thing about 3D Collect-A-Thons (Mario 64, Wario World, Jak & Daxter, Banjo-Kazooie, etc) is the segmentation and consistency. Having X number of collectables in each world and having accurate records of progress.
Banjo-Tooie completely looses that with it's inter-connected worlds and needing to multiple things for seemingly ever Jiggy (always across the worlds too). It expects memory to do too much of the work & I find it so tedious and convoluted. I get they needed to have a difficulty boost but simply making Jiggies a bit harder to get/require a few extra steps would have been sufficient.
I don't know how but I really liked the video even though I disagree with everything said here, well, aside from the levels being too big, I can't believe I never realized that before.
my charming personality must’ve won you over. either that or my opinion made you feel better about yourself :]
@@Torran2Glitchy Lol no, I think the video was really well done and the arguments were completely valid.
I have been a huge fan of this game since my childhood, but damn, is it entertaining to watch this video?
You weren't 8 for BK and 10 for BT were you? The tone changes because the game naturally assumes you grew up and could handle it. Back then gaming really was for kids, completely different to now where the average age is 35.
I think it is pretty good but you can have your own opinion
Tooie can be VERY frustrating mostly if you want a fast paced type of game, the long backtracking parts i find very boring but some parts are fun like Witchy World and the boss battles, i think the "bad" parts of this game are not that terrible to say that this game is the worst game ever
Despite being a little nicer to this game (not by much though), I actually like your take on this game a lot. The first game was way better than this one. And here is why:
This game overstayed its welcome with all its collectables and worlds which lead to unnecessary and annoying backtracking, making exploring the worlds tiring too quickly.
Mumbo is probably the worst character I have ever played in a popular platformer. He walks too slowly, has little health, can't run any faster and even his attack sucks. Plus you have to use him in every world. The Dinosaur world was the worst example.
Some minigames were unfun to play. Trust me, the returning button mash race in the final world is even worse because of that rubber band system, something I always hate in races. The aiming controls for a few challenges were also horrible. The target shouldn't move with the camera together.
Some unlockable moves barely add anything interesting to the game. And seperating both characters was definitely annoying because you need to return to the other character to be together again or stand on sparkling space to even switch the character at all. And yeah, the climbing shoes really were not good. Thank you for making me realize it.
This game also forces you to return to Wumba again just to revert your transformation instead of just doing that by just leaving the world. Unnecessary backtracking.
I enjoyed the returning quiz however it wasn't as charming as the one from the first game and sometimes it was even unfair as the witches straight up answer a question correctly before the question even appeared.
And of course, too much walking. Even with warp pads.
The only things I do think the game does better is the jiggy requirements (70/90 required to finish the game, that's 78% unlike 94/100 from the first game, that's 94%) and Jamjars. I like your singing by the way.
You might just be the first commenter on this video to have actually agreed with me! Glad you enjoyed the song :]
I don’t think the backtracking is bad as everyone says because 1 you can beat the game with little backtracking and 2 you can get some jiggles early but doing certain methods.
And the warp pads make it a non issue in most stages
I don't agree with your sentiment whatsoever, but that was a surprisingly good song at the end!
thank you!
Grunty industries does scuk
L take
skill issue imo
The song at the end goes hard though ngl.
Well now that i think of it... i hope you're prepared for Donkey Kong 64.
I keep getting comments about that. Might have to give it a go someday
@@Torran2Glitchyplease do !! Dk64 will make you love this game 😂 I cannot wait for you to drop a video on it
I wouldn't play DK64 if you didn't like Tooie. I am a huge fan of big worlds that interconnect so that the world feels like a place that actually exists. Like the fact that Grunty Industries is literally polluting into Jolly Rogers Lagoon is such a huge step forward in world development rather than just jumping into a treasure chest and being in Treasure Trove Cove. It is a bigger bite of more or less the same mechanics, with fun or not fun extras depending on who you ask. I have no problem with backtracking in games and I think that argument is way overplayed. There are times when backtracking is egregious but in most cases its a complete non-issue unless you are the absolute laziest creature on earth. I think its more egregious when I can walk in a single direction in a game for 10 minutes and not see a god damn thing.(I'm looking at you DayZ, fill your world with shit.) Id prefer if the devs created a complex puzzle for me to solve without handholding because, ultimately, I came here to be engaged anyway and this game gets me immersed. DK 64 is definitely the same kind of scope but even bigger. Love that one too. I'm offended by all the new gamers who didn't get to grow up through the best generations. All they complain about are needing objective markers and backtracking. You didn't need any of those thing when I was a kid. If you sucked you just didnt beat the game man. End of story. Now they push that everyone bought the game so everyone should see the end and they have lowered the skill ceiling overall. If you go back and play some old ps2 games, they shit on you hard compared to the candy ass treatment modern games give people. Go beat Jak 2. I beat all that shit when I was a kid. Most games these days are objectively bad compared to what was before. The gaming industry has lost sight of important concepts like innovation in pursuit of the almighty dollar bill.
That song made me smile, thank you sir.
You’re very welcome. Glad you enjoyed it!
The only thing I agree with as a negative is that damm button mashing game. That part sucks. However I think the second game is a masterpiece and everything you mentioned to me is either the wrong outlook or what you consider a negative I consider a position. However.... That jingle at the end caught me by surprise. Despite cussing off the game I love, its actually quite catchy. Well done in that in the regards. Its stuck in my head now. It also gave me quite a laugh. Just for that I am giving this video a thumbs up.
the button mashing is actually a joke when you understand how rubber band AI works and how easy it is to manipulate because of how the ai is designed to function.
@@michaelr3077 Yes, but someone playing the game for the first time may not realize this. And it might take them numerous bottom mashing sessions before they realize it.
Normally I have something to say but I can't comment on this one since I haven't played it yet. Great video though
Well if the video is anything to go by, the game probably isn’t worth your time unless you’re either deadly curious or think you’ll develop a different opinion on it
@@Torran2Glitchy If I ever emulate this game, I'm probably gonna just explore and ignore trying to get 100% (unless that's next to impossible)
@@BillyBob_McSanchez Someone found a way to minimize the backtracking in Tooie th-cam.com/video/R4X8Cs-DiNs/w-d-xo.html
No, GOD no. This game is amazing.
Naw bruh I loved banjo tooie lol don't ruin it for me. That underwater level was my jam
Hate to say it but i agree with most things you say and i love the series, i like the first game better it was perfect lol
I don't believe you played the same game as the rest of us. Banjo Tooie is an exceptional game and a worthy follow-up to Banjo Kazooie.
Besides, if Rareware designed Tooie to be similar to Kazooie then neither game would stand out.
We're all entitled to our opinions, but yours is wrong on quite literally EVERY SINGLE FRONT. Please dont make videos that take away time from our precious lives, thank you.
You are wrong, Tooie is just as good as kazooie.
"Stand sad, you are wrong, nah I'd win" ahh person
@@voiky752you're objectively wrong and Im absolutely right.
@@vernitico wait I forgot the quotation mark lemme edit