Interview with our log buyer: How this industry works
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- Interesting discussion with one of Wagner’s managers!
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I bought some land 22yrs ago and I was approached by a gentleman that asked if I would like to have my woods logged, after hearing horror stories of how loggers had destroyed peoples property and never got paid so I quickly told him to move on. He asked if I would just take a moment to hear him out, I have a terrible memory but I think his name was either Jim Wilkins? So I listened to him and he told me he is a registered forester hired by I think it was coastal logging company. He said I go into your woods I mark the trees and a lot of the trees I mark aren’t just to give me a good log but I also want to make it beneficial to your woods also, I’ll try to take a tree that to close to another tree or one that has reached it’s prime and may start to go downhill after. He then told me he will write me a check before a single tree is cut and if it turns out to be hollow after they cut it they would leave it if I wanted to cut it for firewood or take it if I didn’t want it laying around, the same went for the treetops. He said after we’re done we will take care of any ruts we leave or any other mess that was made. I made a deal with him that day and was very happy with the outcome. I tell people today that there’s a lot of bad loggers out there that give even the good ones a bad name but don’t count them all out. The ones that are going to pay you sometime down the road stay away from them. Never let you logs leave your property before your paid in full!
Awesome video and interview. He said the age of the loggers. I have been doing maintenance for 30 years and we are in the same boat. There is not very many young people getting into the skilled trades. I bet your parents are very proud of you young ladies and your brothers stepping up and doing a great job at the yard. My hats off to your parents. Great job.
Schools aren't designed to teach kids different trades anymore. Mechanic and shop classes don't exist anymore. College is shoved down your throat. Mill work and trades as in carpentry doesn't pay as much as other careers, to many people compare the price of a skilled carpenter built-in in to an IKEA built-in, which you can't the material quality and skill level is vastly different.
For a reluctant guy he's really good at this
Applets don't fall far from the tree.
Yeah he is just so calm, cool and collected in them right? Plus very informative! Sure hope Jade keeps after him and he see what a awesome educator he is on video!
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Excellent informative video I enjoyed watching.👍😁😁😁👍🚜🇬🇧
Wow, I’m so glad I found this Channel.
I’m a Renovation Carpenter working in Vancouver Canada and have in the last few years loved sawyers channels. And I feel like I’ve been searching for a channel that goes deep on the logging industry. I kinda know how our industry works and how sometimes it conflicts with America’s, but I think this channel is doing the best job of closing my info gap as to how you guys do things down there and how we do ours.
Anyways, love this channel. Love the episode showing how your operation cuts and picks the lumber from your patches. So cool to see little operations. I wish I lived close by as to be able to pick through your stock in the yard and build some fun projects out of that lumber.
Awesome. I love these longer episodes as well! Well done!
I was a Forester/ Timber buyer for 30 yrs in Ga. I hear alot of similarities and also some huge differences in logging in the Northeast vs the southeast. Our average logging crew will move 50- 75 tractor trailer loads per week. Most all of our mills are 100 % Gatewood dependent. Logging down here in South is much easier than in your area is there is such a thing as easy logging!! We cruise(appraise) our timber on the stump before its cut and pay landowner before its cut if its bought on lump sum basis. Sometimes landowner is paid weekly if it's bought on a price per ton basis. Interesting video and would like to see it tour logging operation. I also have a bandsaw mill that I use occasionally. Keep on keeping on🙂
Thank you for taking a deeper dive into the world oh logs. Extremely interesting and well produced. You guys rock!
Wagner sounds like a solid business. A log is what a log is.
Over 40 years ago I went to Wagner Lumber in Owego to get slab wood for our wood stove. Les Wagner was a great guy. It is good to see the name still means quality in the wood business. Great video!
Ok, I have to admit my ignorance of the logging industry prior to watching your videos. As a Brit living in Ireland, l never appreciated what goes into the lumber that I see in my local yard or store. Wow, you guys work incredibly hard to make your family business the success it is. Thanks for the videos and teaching this old dog something new.
Thank you for another really nice piece of work. Dad sure does a nice job. Very well spoken and obviously takes great pride in all he does. I do wish we could go on a few more tours of other logging facilities. But who am I to ask for more?
Regardless I enjoyed this video, thank you and stay safe.
Dan I fully agree! I can and could sit for hour watching and learning from the Boss! They make it interesting and I also sure hope we will get to go on some more field trips, logging tours as it really helps me with my little LT15! But who am I to ask for more as well!
Seems they want to educate so why not offer what of interest
I watch Nick Burnham’s channel Aquaholics every day. TH-cam is great in that respect. We get to experience the subtleties of different cultures on our iPad.
I was a forman for a large hardwood mill so its always nice to see another mill
Good video, lots of information shared.
Very informative video. Great interview by the Boss Man, He's a natural whether he likes it or not, good job directing, editing and recording Em. Good stuff, thanks for sharing.
Though reluctant, Boss Man, once on camera, gives his best.
This episode adds a lot to the channel. Boss Man is found to be a man with integrity.
I remember a mill rep from Ethan Allen talking about improvements in the milling process with band sawing and thinner kerf and more efficiency. So I asked him about scaling using the International 1/4" Rule and the actual output from the modern mill. Say my load scaled 4,000 bf how much lumber did you realize from that? He said it is pretty close. LOL
A very interesting and informative video. The Boss Man does a great job interviewing the log buyer.
This is the kind of video every industry could benefit from. A person watching this could be the dreaming kid thinking of a career in forestry, a landowner thinking of what to do with his timber, or maybe a logger who'd like to network with Wagner. Even a mill operator who might get the idea bulb flickering because of this. Very good job!
I fully agree!!! Every industry needs a Boss and the girls who have the integrity and value they do to add some positivity back in! Even this video, there is a lot of great points on business in general and the relationships that go on to provide us the products each industry does! Good stuff and great comment!
thank you, sir, for that.... unsolicited testimony
Good video. I’m sitting here in my garage, on a sunny but cold Spring day, with the garage doors wide open, stripping copper wire and listening to the interview. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Great video as always keep it up
I worked at that owego site for 5 years. I was a inspector and ran the one of the resaws. He isn't joking the place is huge and they put out lumber. Lots of great people there aswell.
Great video. The Boss who has said he doesn't want to be on video has become very comfortable with the process. Lol. Keep up the good work.
That was fun. Very informative! Love you're videos!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🤜🤛
I've been on jobs where we had to use the skidders to haul the empty truck up the hill to the landing and then let them down the hill slowly with the winch after loading them. In the northwest Adirondacks.
I do not miss a movie of you and I really like how you work.
I work at a sawmill in Sweden, we saw 146000m³ a year and have 24000m³ of timber in stock before sawing, and if you compare it with football fealds, it will be 4-5 pcs.
But it is only pine that we saw. We pressure impregnate most of what we sell to the Swedish construction market.
Many thumbs up for you.
A lot of good knowledge, Thank you
Dad is really getting good on the camera. I'm 58 and own my own machine & fab. Shop no one wants to work great video.
Milling operation as big as a football field? I think we need a video of that!
Boss is a natural in front of the cam. I think he needs a helmet cam in the woods and a team following him around! Hair, makeup, designer chaps...
Haha yeah!
Yeah right... exactly!!! My thoughts as well! He sure does a great job!
That was really interesting. Good video!
Well, sounds like your brother is going to have some pretty solid job security if he keeps logging.
You do nice work, kid.
Keep going
Excellent video! It was very informative.
I think this is the 3rd or 4th video I have watched, the previous one being the tale of him taking the family on a death march through flood waters. So, this is the first time I've seen the dad, and I was surprised at what a pleasant and relaxed guy he seems to be. I've subscribed now.
I knew I was close to your dads age, I'll be 53 in March, great video & information
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A fantastic video! Thank you. 69 here, and still going strong.
The "Boss", Jade, and Chris... Thank you so much for yet another awesome video that touches on many avenues of not just looging or sawmills, but business in general!! Ken ("The Boss") so glad to see you embrace the digital age and appear in yet another video as well as continue to support the girls learning logging, business and even marketing via such videos! Each one is so eduational and I give you great praise for what you do locally as well as do positive things for the industry across the borad! It is so awesome to see how you and the girls take a responsible role on tracts with the environment as well as you and the family always looking for ways to get the most out of each tree havested! One thing I noticed is just how many times you talked about integrity. I have seen that a lot these days (turning 50 Feb. 10th), since my childhood. I operate a few small businesses and one is trying to be like you guys with my little saw mill and composting... making wood pellets with the saw dust and a few other products. My late father used to drill into us at the dinner table how important integrity is and how far it will take you! I sincerely appreciate your time and appearing in this video as at 50, I'm still learning a ton about logging and sawing from you and the girls!
Jade, thanks for getting the Boss involved in this awesome video! It was awesome to hear his perspective on how a large sawmill like Wagner's has effected the local community and logging industry in whole. Each week I learn something new and more... especially with the WoodMizer mills! You do a far better job than Woodmizer does and even other channels! You have really done an excellent job with the LT40 and when I go to upgrade, I will be more confident as well as know the pros and cons! Each video is very educational and well done! Keep up the awesome job and keep after the Boss to do these videos! With him at his age, he has a wealth of knowledge he can pass along to us. Plus he is so well spoken and his values are top notch!
Chris (Wagner Lumber), Thank you for taking the time to do this interview and educating us on more of the business end of the logging and lumber industry. I'm reminded of a local heavy highway contractor I worked for after high school who also operated as you guys do.... buying local, being a business and a member of the community and doing what you do to help local loggers! You know when I quit that construction job, there were no hard feeling or burned bridges! In fact, they also helped me a ton with setting me up with developers, have me do work as a sub on their projects. We don't see that a lot anymore and it is the major corporation looking out for themselves and their bottom lines in profits. You and the Boss hit on so many great points and helping each other that benefits everyone. Also great point about our workforce today and the shorages most industries face across the board! I also love the fact of you guys touching on gov't regulations and how it is getting harder and harderto meet or deal with those regualtions... like road bonding, environmental issues and more! That should be something we all consider at election time. What is sad is I just watched an hour documentary on the poverty and homelessness issues of America! I hope we can get our youth more interested in these skilled trades as they are not just important, but if we don't have lumber, that effect the housing indusrty with an ever growing population! Thanks again for your time and education us all more on how large saw mills operate and what all goes into it! I would love to see a tour of your yard and more about Wagner!
If you made it to the end.... my god your voice is to-die for !
Really good video this week. Definitely hit home on the age, I'm 55, so I'll be done within the next ten years, and the younger guys in the area are slowly moving into residential tree work and excavation. Hopefully my little mill can keep me busy selling to the local farmers and craftsmen, until I'm ready for the rocking chair
Rocking chair? Lol, who are you kidding? Us or yourself?
Your prob like me. You'll drop dead while opening up an oak or maple. There only a few better ways to go...
@@VTKingdomsawing you're probably right, couldn't ask for a better way to go
The age issue can't be ignored . I have been cutting for a very long time but now I'm 75. I still love it but I just can't keep it up. I used to work all day and of course I'd get tired but it was a good tired. Now it's just tired. I've got to stop but there's no rocking chair in the picture for now at least. I'll work in my wood shop. You guys get me the wood thank you very much.
After decades of layoffs and cutbacks, most people wouldn't think of logging as a viable career. This is true of a lot of other professions. They've declined, but the decline has bottomed out. It's up to the industry to get the word out that there is a future for people in logging etc.
Great to get the different perspectives
Thxn for a really interesting video. You guys always have great content, be safe!
If you all can and willing could you please interview the loggers in the woods and the drivers in the big huge vehicles in the woods that pull and drag the logs out to the yard before they get hauled back to your yard! I just remembered the name! The skidders! Can we hear about their job? Maybe an interview in the woods and then video them pulling the logs out? So we all can see what it takes to actually do the various jobs and how hard everybody's job is to actually get the logs off the mountains? I live in New Hampshire and we have steep mountains here where it can be quite dangerous at times! I know its a great job! But it takes a special grit being out there at 5 am in the cold planning out your strategy for the day and also the know how that these hard working men who have to work harder in the winter to protect the soil? So maybe some interviews of them would be really interesting?? Whatta you say? A yes? Yes!!!? Please? Please??
The power of partnership and community! Great video!
Great work all around.
Good interview. Thank you. Same old story, you have to look after the people in your supply chain and you will get back what you give.
i like your content and i always give your videos a thumbs up
Thank you
Thanks for letting us learn about the business end of things. Appreciate it. A lot of pieces of the puzzle go into making things happen, and it's good to be aware of them.
Fantastic video and very informative
Very interesting. Great job.
Great video. Very informative.
This is an excellent video !!
Love the beard Boss Man. All the trades are experiencing a high average age problem. I am an automotive tech will be 60 this year. Not many young guys coming up to take my place. It is a bad sign. My oldest son realized he spent alot of money and time pursuing a degree that he might never use.
Thanks to all involved for taking time away from your very busy lives, to give us all a deeper dive into the business relationships that a generational family business needs to successfully operate in today’s environment. I’m from Rapid City, In the Black Hills of South Dakota, and we have seen small family owned mills to fairly substantial commercial mills closing over the last decade for many varied reasons. Please keep up the good content, the mix of the actual logging, the work in the yard, the maintenance and the occasional dips into the business and family side keep your content fresh and entertaining- Kudos to a great American family!
Cool inside info.
Very interesting look at an industry I know next to nothing about.
I was involved with a mill that was sawing 400 thousand board feet a shift of 8 foot 2/4 2/6 4/4 chipping saw wood!!
WOW, this is the clearest explanation of log-to- consumer I've ever viewed. It's a very complex business... But it opens up the next aspect of this topic: who is seeing to it that the next and the Next generation can do the same ?
Boss you did a great job on this interview. As your in front of the camera more you will relax and it's like talking to a good friend. Y'all take care and stay safe up there.
Great video 👍 I’m at the other end of the wood cycle, as a journeyman carpenter/ fine woodworker. In carpentry we are not seeing the younger generation getting into it. Most of the “carpenter’s out here work on track homes and basically they are just assembler’s, they can use a nail gun and cut 2x6 they have no idea how cut a roof in or build something like a Gazebo for start to finish. I’m a small business man too, love that they shop locally.
Congrats on 100 videos! Love the interview, learned some good stuff. Tell the Boss Man that he is doing great in the videos and if he feels camera shy then just remember that he’s teaching me and everyone else
This was a fascinating look into your business and answered many of my questions. 👍
G'day LCLY, its good to see the big fellas working with the smaller operators, at the end of the day it's certain to benefit you all like a co-op. All the best for 2022 👍🇦🇺.
Great vid Em !
i like the way you americans do this stuff. in germany everything is state controlled and owned. 51% of all woodland is in state end and even on the private properties the rules from the state have to be applied. Self logging for example is forbidden even in private properties.I am starting my own lil sawmill business with my son who just finished learning ranger at the university. i am lucky to have some local connections to be able to purchase logs for reasonable prices. i love to see that Wagner help the industy locally so much. My Woodmizer LT15 will get delivered in the 18th week of this year. You guys inspired my so much. Thank you
G'day Bastian, I was told that Germany has been planting and managing their forests for over five centuries?
youre right, Germany does this managing and planting since 15th/16th century. maybe thats why the state owns most of it now.
Most people don’t realize the US government owns all land and people just rent it from the government in the form of property taxes.
G'day Big uncle, and they have the ability to take it back ! Not down here it would be one soldier every hundred square miles 😜👍🇦🇺.
We need to push for trades to be taught in schools again. I don't know that much about the lumber industry on rate of pay for arborists or lumberjack. However I can see why young men aren't going into skill trade industries because the rate of pay. Some industries like Electrician and plumbers can charge far more then a mason or carpenter. So men are choosing higher paying careers that don't wreck your body, over a lower paying career that will leave you with back, knee, issues.
I commend you both. If everyone tried to keep more of their purchases local (and also utilized local service providers), their respective towns and/or communities would all be in better shape. Unfortunately, too many people will drive an extra five or ten miles to save a few bucks, only to see their local businesses (often members of their own town) close due to lack of patronage.
Why wouldn't we make it to the end, Emerald? I think Ken actually enjoyed that, despite him always saying that you talked him into it!
You should invest in clip microphones for all the people you are interviewing. Get that sound quality up and I think you'll see views go up.
Excellent content Em.
Hi there from over here in the UK.
Very interesting video - one of the common things that I'm really keen on is keeping it local, or as local as possible. The benefits are so pervasive: integrity, mutuality, financial turnover in the local area and just the "lubricating oil" affect of knowing who you're dealing with and who can help, or knows who can help, when something comes up that you can't deal with.
I really appreciate your channel and the effort you put into it.
Thank you.
HI ALL
You no what i love about your dad he is so respectful with other people a great roll model you are bleesed your able learn from ya dad thx so yoga talk lol BE A SPONGE !!!
Another informative video. Thanks and keep up the good work. Is it just me, or are we seeing a new TH-cam star coming into his own ? Will the Boss Man have a new career in front of the camera ??
I hope so!!! He does a great job and very informative and well spoken!
That is the thing with young folks now a days most don't want to do this type of work, blue collar work, the trades.
Excellent, thank you!
great video! it really covers the high points of log buying and selling. Keep up the great work!
I am a land owner and have sold timber twice. I cannot tell you how important the cutter is.
(also the forester)
Nice video of a different angle to the lumber process. I think pops is getting more comfortable in front of a camera. Maybe mom will do the same in the future.
Nice video! Thanks for sharing. 👍
Fantastic video
What you're calling a concentration yard there sounds to be somewhat unusual there. It's the standard here in New Zealand logging.
Got the same problem in the electrical trades, tough to get young people interested. When a kid can work at Starbucks for $15 & be warm/dry, it’s hard to get green helpers at $17-20 (non-union typical NC/SC wage).
Same here is Ohio! I was in a labor management meeting a few weeks ago in construction and one guy summed it up.... "We are getting the bottom 10% of the bottom 10% of the barrel! We need to educated our youth on the importance of skilled trades and how they affect us all if we have labor shortages outside of this pandemic!" You are totally right thought! We had a friend's boy who just finished high school last summer (18) and set him up a great job with a landscaping company for $25 an hour, with benefits. When he came home, his dad asked how diod it go and and he said he turned it down! What? Why? What happened? He said he stopped at the local McDonald's can got a job making $17 starting out and he wouldn't have be out in the heat in the summer, the cold in the winter and it was less physically demanding overall. The landscaping company even offered him a company truck he could take home! My two nephews the same age, they are the same ways and can't do anything without a phone in their hands or playing vidoe games. It is sad!
Electrical trades are particularly problematic because you need to know some stuff, basically. A few years ago our local electrician rang and said our job he was scheduled to do had to be put back two weeks. The reason - he had to let his apprentice go, and it would be another week before he could onboard a new one. Apparently his apprentice couldn't handle the requirement of going to tech college (as we call it here) to learn the electrical theory and the wiring regulations.
Compare that with my friend's son - got his carpenter's ticket, and then due to a downturn in the industry went back and started his electrician's training.
good to have great partners
We used to sell Wagner's logs before we got our sawmill and before we started cutting grade then we started selling all our lumber to Bailey's
Where are you located??? There is a Bailey's here in Central Ohio that I am selling some of my lumber too.
@@danagrey3534 I am located in western NY
@@richardstevens8509 Thanks.. just curious and will have to check out their other locations. I got some help as I know the guy who used to be the plant manager. So far so good.
@@danagrey3534 always good to know people in this industry not to get a edge on anyone but the pure fact of knowing somebody in getting the knowledge from all sorts of people I think is the best thing out there I think it allows everybody to grow
Great job. Guys
Great video keep it up!
Long video, but very interesting!
Good video, some interesting facts there especially the log buyer helping provide to the logger support equipment such as mats…. I think this video also answered a question I had about your operation and the revenue stream. If I understood, the choice hardwoods for the most part get sold to Wagner and other timber goes to your sawmill operation. I was having a hard time trying to figure out how your local sawmill made bank with only that retail operation?
Great Info
Interestingly informative video. Most businesses have some complexity when you dig into them but logging definitely has a few knots! (Pun intended....)
Greetings from Finland.
I like the Boss, he is a good man
TAKE ALL THAT SAW DUST and mix it with some flammable tree sap and press them into pucks and small logs and sell them as fire starters.
its like gold rush minus the drama
This is a very good video. So are you and your brothers and sisters going to keep logging after your dad retire.
Ok who will hire me as an apprentice and maybe seasonal . What state would be a good start . USA only .
Wagner was the high bid for my 90 acre 300,000 bft tract. I'm hearing good things about them. I'm kinda curious what they will do with the 100,000 bft of white pine as it seems they are mostly a hardwood mill. Maybe you guys /gals could mill some of it.
White pine is normally cut and graded like a hardwood as the main market is furniture. It's not so much the wood but the purpose - joists need to be cut a certain way to carry the load, that's what graders are looking at.
Just a shoutout from a longtime commercial photography/stills shooter: you guys are doing a great job w/ the photography...and obviously, ON the job! I've learned ALOT about WOOD, mill operations, cuts, the COMPLEXITY of the variety of TOOLS= #Kudos! You guys /CHICKS (?) rock! The HARD work, the Elements, Perseverance, and jobs that NEVER cease. And so is the work ethic that breeds
Part of my own lumber-yard experience was working "The Green Chain" at a local yard during college. I don't miss sorting 12 and 16ft.'ers. Or dumping fencing.
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How did you all make it through the volatility of the lumber market the past 6 months?