I'm trying to focus on just two languages right now, even though the others are so tempting, because i want to get a job in an international institution like the EU. That'll be the next 3-5 years for me. I've been taking these classes on & off, but need to give them the dedication they deserve. & I want to pass the requisite exams. After those two, I'm going to try to learn one global language further afield, unfortunately probably one at a time. I also might give myself a different name for each language because that tiny trick helped me in French. That way, even though I'm taking two language classes in the same day, i hopefully can rapidly switch my brain over.
@@goluremilanguages also Luke from polyMathy made a series of read along videos of this which is great for comprehensible input. only the first book though
I learnt French at school. I learnt Castilian online, then went to Spain. SIMILARLY for Serbo-Croat.i now live in Romania, where everyone knows English. ( as elsewhere in Europe) Danish and Italian were easy to read.
I learned Latin quickly (we had a class every day) in my archeology studies. I struggled with time in my first year, so I always did my homework in the last second, and I was mainly the worst student. But in the second year, we read real texts and stories, and this was more interesting for me, so I learned the vocabulary and grammar and did excellent on the final exam (translating an ancient text). Still, the teacher did not believe that I wrote the translation by myself. How would you comment on that situation?
"...did excellent...". I am French and I am learning English, and I am wondering why is it that you do not say "excellently"? Is it grammatically correct to say this and why? What is it that I am missing? Thank you for your answer
@@matthieuschmitter6676hi matthieu, excellently is very formal and unusual. So in casual speech, we just say “did excellent’. But, grammatically, you are correct! Another such example is the sentence “I was upset at him leaving” which should be “I was upset at his leaving” if you want to be a 100% grammatically correct.But you’ll almost never hear it in speech or pretty much anywhere else expect for print media. Hope this helped!
@@matthieuschmitter6676 It is not grammatically "correct" to say "did excellent", but you will hear it said often, and at times it may even sound more natural than "did excellently".
Some time ago, I googled something as a Portuguese speaker and a Wikipedia text popped up. It definitely wasn't Portuguese, nor Spanish, Italian, French or even Galician. I finally discovered that it was... Romanian! I only managed to catch a few words, Latin ones, of course.
I’ve been developing a constructed language and I’ve been using emersion for that. I write a lot of the things I do in my sketchbooks, which is not only in the constructed language, but in constructed formats. I have formats that divide time into columns and rows, show the parts of a meme to describes future invention, mark the end of a week, put together cycles in my life to predict the future, and track sobriety for sins from eating meat to physical violence.
I've been told - long ago - ancient Greeks didn't bother to learn foreign languages. Let barbarians, who talk like parrots, learn Greek. They were completely nation-centered.
The ancient Romans, by contrast, DID bother to learn one foreign language-classical Greek. As a result, Greek tutors had to generate ways to make their language interesting for the Romans.
The Ancient Greeks were definitely not nation-centered. There was no idea of a Greek nation until like 1821. And, like pretty much everywhere else, Ancient Greeks would be at least conversant in regional languages, and more than that for any merchants or traders.
I'm using Duolingo as my primary method of acquiring Finnish. I want to learn Finnish to be able to read the Kalevala (which I've been reliably informed will be very hard to do). I find that the repetition that this ap provides is the only way I can get these strange words into my long-term memory. I also like to watch shows with the Finnish captions on, which you can do on Netflix and Prime for a lot of their content. Over time, I am finding that I'm grasping the syntax and grammar on an intuitive level. I don't practice speaking too much, but I find that I can think out things in Finnish more and more as time goes on.
AT @30:57 MAKES SO MUCH SENSE...and super helpful for ADULT MINDSET! "At the end of it they sound like a 5 year old...." That's what I've thought too- like it's a crazy level of immersion in a supportive (usually) environment - a child's experience.
I enjoyed very much to learn Norwegian. It was easy, first because we have a very good book to learn it (French to Norwegian) + Norwegian (even old people speaking dialects) were very patient with me, listen to me even if I needed 1 minute to tell one sentence. And they spoke to me in Norwegian, they accepted to not turn to English. After 4 months spent there, I started to work in a hotel ... I had to improve... fast... And of course I wanted to learn. Actually, at first I wanted to learn just a bit, but the dialogs in the book + CD, are so good (not boring), ti became a game (by the way, Norwegian grammer is very easy, and people speak straight. This language is easier than English).
French and Italian belong to the Latin group of languages. If you try to learn Portuguese or Spanish as a French speaker you will find it easy. For instance a Ukrainian and a Slovakian speaker will find it relatively easy to learn Polish.
Some very intrresting points. There is one area of ossible confusion. Comprehensible input isn't the same as immersion and in deed in many cases immersion if you're not prepared for it probably won't be comprehensible. The vast majority of people won't automatically benefit from immersion and as it is done may end up not being immersion. If a group of English or Americans go a place and aren't linguistically ready they'll just hang out together or hang out with people wanting to practice their English. Adults with children mash up their food into small and mushy chunks to ehlp them to cope with it. And eventually they're able to eat steak (provided they're not vegetarian). You need milk before solids. Anyway reading is often more likely comprehensible or easier to work with - you can reread it, find context etc, look up words if necessarily. In a class a blended approach is better but for oral work students need to be comfortable so the teacher needs to make it all comprehensible and (preferably) fun with no humiliation rituals (accepting good enough answers, not obsessing about the minutiae).For children I think a good idea is to run games in the language where teams are competing and score points and if possible involving movement. If you are on your own then trying to get spoken content by some means It's fascinating to think about people learning languages in history because we often know people learned languages but without knowing how. Simple sentences, stories and dialogues seem like an earlier version of comprehensible input. A good plave to start. Rote learning is something that was very common and in our world is less common (we generally don't recit poems by heart for instance).Obvioulsy we have our own memory techniques (Anki, wordist).
I have a very important question here , please , which I hope you make a video or live stream with educated native English speakers like this wonderful lady on that interesting topic I just noticed some days ago : I am an non native teacher of English , also a professional translator , 47 years now , studied more than 10 languages including classical Greek and Latin , claim to know thousands of vocabularies in English and many other languages , the problem and even the shock I had is that when I opened a novel titled "doomed " by Chuck Palahniuk , to my great surprise I found too many new words which I never encountered before , believe it or not , more than 10 words per a single page so mounting up to more than 2000 new words in the whole novel ! my point here is : does any average educated native speaker of English know all the words in novels ? or they also encounter difficulties like us and need a dictionary ? here are some examples of these words I mean so you can check with native speakers to tell you the truth about it , I am sure this will be a very interesting topic to discover this hidden dark world of strange vocabulary that we never meet in school or university text books ! : ( slouch scarab frond flail trundle zirconia scabrous churn coagulate burp hillbilly yodeling ) words that seem all Greek to me !!!
In that list I would look up scabrous but I could guess its meaning from context likely. So yes all those words are known to me, but they likely wouldn’t all be known to any native speaker who is not well read. I think the best way to widen vocabulary is to read widely in different genres and fields. There’s always words to learn. Your command of English is nonetheless excellent. Keep going!
I'm still hacking away at Mandarin, a full omg! 45 years after starting, omg! "intermediate" for 45 years! 🤪Interestingly nowadays there are multiple youtube channels for learning Mandarin, and they're getting more granular or niche-oriented I'd say. Meaning, I'm looking specifically for ones that are a. interesting, and b. at what in CEFR is around B1, the Chinese level is around HSK 4. And I have found three channels so far that give me what I need, and therefore although channels in some cases are really good, I don't go there as much. To your question, 2vry interesting question. Depends on the author of course. as far as I know the most extensive use of vocabulary in an English-language novel is James Joyce's "Ulysses," which tallied in apparently at 265,000 different words! 😗Can you imagine? There are whole dictionaries dedicated to that novel. I think it'd be easier to read Homer's Ulysses in the original, than Joyce'sSo don't feel so bad, you're doing great!
@englishteacher9865 I'm an ESL teacher and English is my native tongue. I'm struggling with teaching students. However, I don't struggle with the words you've written. I know all of them. Kids and people in the US/UK who don't read much or don't have college degrees might struggle with some of the words you wrote. That said, the words like _slouch, burp, hillbilly, coagulate, trundle, churn_ are rudimentary. You should know them at C2 or most of them at C1. Even kids in HS who don't do AP subjects know most of those words. I guess you may want to appraise your knowledge: You could open up a pocket dictionary that contains, like, 30,000-40,000 (run-on) entries. In such a dictionary, an American or a Brit will know 99%+ words. *If you find serious gaps in your vocabulary, I advise reading fiction and using dictionaries on a regular basis.* If you don't use dictionaries, you may as well read a thousand books to no avail. The best strategy is to read books of various authors to further expand the vocabulary. The same goes for watching US/UK movies. My advice: Start watching movies and TV shows *with subtitles always on and a dictionary close at hand.* You may find some basic expressions are unfamiliar to you. My ESL students struggle with expressions and idioms, and there's no magic wand I can wave here to make them C1 or C2. Learning takes years. On top of that, English may have more word families than other languages, e.g. the word _tractor trailer_ has numerous synonyms in English, just like the word _arenaceous._ BTW, all my students have the same problem: Small vocabularies and unwillingness to read and look up words. The same goes for watching videos and looking up words in subtitles. BTW, there's some teacher here on TH-cam who says 10,000 words is enough. I guess it is enough for communicating and for B2 level. *Reading fiction and even watching movies (much smaller vocabulary is required) still exceeds 10,000 by a factor of 3 to 5.* Important point: We should not confuse word families with run-on entries in a dictionary, e.g. an average college dictionary has around 160,000 entries (run-ons) but the count of word families is, like, 40,000. It's better to count words/entries according to dictionaries. Knowing a word family means little to me and I demand much more from my students. For example, they all know words _fall_ and _through_ but not the phrasal verb _fall through._ Besides words have multiple meanings, e.g. _bit_ may mean a mouthpiece of a bridle, cutting part of an ax, etc. Last point. ESL teachers should strive for C2 level, although C1 is enough to teach. They should strive to know more than 10,000 basic words. I understand time and money might put some constraints on such endeavors. This is life.
Great examples. They got me thinking, as a native speaker of English, and once an EFL teacher, of how I learned these words. Before age five, at home: 1 SLOUCH, 2 BURP. Mom would say: Don´t SLOUCH in your chair! Sit up straight. Or, Say "Excuse me when you BURP at the dinner table! Then, in school, maybe age seven, the teacher shows how butter is made: with a 3 CHURN. 4 YODEL, YODELING I probably picked up watching a movie, or maybe on a TV show. Once you hear somebody from Switzerland YODELING in the mountains, you will never forget the sound. 5 HILLBILLY I may have gotten from the popular TV series called THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES. 6 ZIRCONIA Who knows when? Just know it is a pretty rock or crystal -- many worlds like this. 7 COAGULATE, maybe in Middle School -- teacher talking about first aid or maybe in biology class. 8 SCARAB, SCABROUS, FLAIL, TRUNDLE, SCARAB and FROND were probably around the university time. I may have found most of them in reading, but in many cases I had to write the word down, and look it up. So just reading does not seem to be the cure-all, do-all. However, once you know the words, by experiencing them personally (SLOUCH, BURP . . . ), or hearing them in a classroom (COAGULATE . . .), reading works to reinforce them. You need to see them from time to time to not forget, AND many, many of these words have secondary meaning and metaphorical usage. Reading gives that profound knowledge of each word. Hope my long comment was useful (It was to me!)
Those learning styles ideas around 7 min mark have been completely debunked, they aren't real. Yes, some people may *prefer* one dominant method but really we all do best with some sort of multi-media. There are not auditory learners and visual learners, etc., that's a myth. Sure that is somewhat different for language where we tend to think auditory and speaking come first, though even there it's multi-media as we have visual things and activities that the language connects to.
As a psychology major I must say that when comparing Roman learning methods with what is done today, two things must be said: there was no radio or tv to distract people from learning tasks; secondly, because individual human rights was not a major value, the average Roman would have been educated with a harsher sense of self-discipline and perseverance than what is acceptable in the West today. So, any of today's language learning methods exported back into time to Rome would have gotten greater results than can be observed today.
I was a bit ambiguous in my comment about discipline: when I did martial arts training I was able to observe that I always learned something much quicker and easier from the mean instructors, who would almost be shouting at me, than from the nicer, really polite ones.
@@biblicalgreekjagdmanmethod3863 That may vary by person, emotional needs, personality etc. Some students may do better happily bonded to an instructor they like and feel supported by for example. This comment is only speaking to contemporary times- I have no knowledge of ancient instruction/needs.
@@biblicalgreekjagdmanmethod3863 I had the same experience. But this is also a stage of development issue. I believe that the harsh method is better for the early stage as it is both a physical, mental toughness and focus building moment. After that, when the discipline and focus have been built this method becomes useless. I also think the harsh method is better suited for kids since they need to build self confidence through acted/"theatrical" confrontation, and part of it is through going through difficult initiation rites. This is common to all traditional societies. The harshness is still taking place in a safe environment. Everybody is going through the same treatment so it gives coherence to the group and helps the bonding experience. However, disciplined adults who are self aware, benefit from conceptual explanations and a more intelligence based approach.
When we speak and write it forces our attention. Some people can read and listen to fluency because they happen to have the focus based on existing motivation. Active recall is always necessary for learning.
Fascinating interview, thanks! Influenced by researchers who argue in favor of learning vocabulary, I’m beginning to change my mind about its usefulness (it’s also helping me with Mandarin). Dr. Norbert Schmitt argues that learning vocabulary and comprehensible input complement each other: th-cam.com/video/SiWZgjXhLUw/w-d-xo.html
@@twodyport8080 What ridiculous term? Schmitt says (and I agree) that “[explicitly] learning vocabulary and comprehensible input complement each other”.
@@rauschma Comprehensible Input. It is a discredited theory and usually conflated with input. Besides that you can cannot have CI AND learning vocabulary as that means you have broken the principle of CI.
I have never heard so many wrong statements... first of all, children don't take YEARS to start speaking... if they don't have any cognitive issues ,they start with 1+ year to talk and can build sentences with 2 years. And the amount of vocabulary goes into the tens of thousands at the age of 6 or so, at least for German speakers with an intact family, i.e. where adults talk to their children. You cannot reach that level with just non-immersive learning on your own... if you are not a savant. To get to that level as an adult, with common methods (not this comprehensible input stuff), it takes at least twice as long - and only if you are very very good... That's why immersion is so important for the comprehensible input method, otherwise you will even be slower than with conventional methods. When I started learning Turkish at the age of 13, I started to memorize tables of verb conjugation... that helped me with the grammar, however I had huge problems with vocabulary and still have... since I lack the time to learn or to immerse myself.
ONE COMMENT: it is really nice if the camera isn't LOOKING UP AT THE PERSON, one it's less flattering, feels unnatural and thus is a bit off putting. Folks who are not motivated for appearance don't notice this, as they may not use media for "popularity" it might be nice to adjust WITH interviewers before hand? Thanks for bringing us this interesting research.
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I'm trying to focus on just two languages right now, even though the others are so tempting, because i want to get a job in an international institution like the EU. That'll be the next 3-5 years for me. I've been taking these classes on & off, but need to give them the dedication they deserve. & I want to pass the requisite exams.
After those two, I'm going to try to learn one global language further afield, unfortunately probably one at a time.
I also might give myself a different name for each language because that tiny trick helped me in French.
That way, even though I'm taking two language classes in the same day, i hopefully can rapidly switch my brain over.
I think the latin book you're talking about is Lingua Latina.
EDIT: by HANS H. ØRBERG
Lingva Latina Per Se Illvstrata! Yes that's it
@@goluremilanguages also Luke from polyMathy made a series of read along videos of this which is great for comprehensible input. only the first book though
I learnt French at school. I learnt Castilian online, then went to Spain. SIMILARLY for Serbo-Croat.i now live in Romania, where everyone knows English. ( as elsewhere in Europe) Danish and Italian were easy to read.
I learned Latin quickly (we had a class every day) in my archeology studies. I struggled with time in my first year, so I always did my homework in the last second, and I was mainly the worst student. But in the second year, we read real texts and stories, and this was more interesting for me, so I learned the vocabulary and grammar and did excellent on the final exam (translating an ancient text). Still, the teacher did not believe that I wrote the translation by myself. How would you comment on that situation?
"...did excellent...". I am French and I am learning English, and I am wondering why is it that you do not say "excellently"? Is it grammatically correct to say this and why? What is it that I am missing? Thank you for your answer
@@matthieuschmitter6676hi matthieu, excellently is very formal and unusual. So in casual speech, we just say “did excellent’. But, grammatically, you are correct! Another such example is the sentence “I was upset at him leaving” which should be “I was upset at his leaving” if you want to be a 100% grammatically correct.But you’ll almost never hear it in speech or pretty much anywhere else expect for print media. Hope this helped!
@@matthieuschmitter6676 It is not grammatically "correct" to say "did excellent", but you will hear it said often, and at times it may even sound more natural than "did excellently".
@@alyssa-q1w Thank you
@@rishthefish7781 Thank you
Some time ago, I googled something as a Portuguese speaker and a Wikipedia text popped up. It definitely wasn't Portuguese, nor Spanish, Italian, French or even Galician. I finally discovered that it was... Romanian! I only managed to catch a few words, Latin ones, of course.
Thank you Will
It was really fascinating to listen to this podcast episode
I’ve been developing a constructed language and I’ve been using emersion for that.
I write a lot of the things I do in my sketchbooks, which is not only in the constructed language, but in constructed formats. I have formats that divide time into columns and rows, show the parts of a meme to describes future invention, mark the end of a week, put together cycles in my life to predict the future, and track sobriety for sins from eating meat to physical violence.
Wonderful interview!!
I've been told - long ago - ancient Greeks didn't bother to learn foreign languages. Let barbarians, who talk like parrots, learn Greek. They were completely nation-centered.
Like french speakers 100 years ago and English speakers now
As anyone whose language dominates the region they live in at certain point of time
The ancient Romans, by contrast, DID bother to learn one foreign language-classical Greek. As a result, Greek tutors had to generate ways to make their language interesting for the Romans.
@@John-qd5of "had to make their language interesting to the Romans"? Kind of an odd take, where did you read that?
The Ancient Greeks were definitely not nation-centered. There was no idea of a Greek nation until like 1821. And, like pretty much everywhere else, Ancient Greeks would be at least conversant in regional languages, and more than that for any merchants or traders.
I'm using Duolingo as my primary method of acquiring Finnish. I want to learn Finnish to be able to read the Kalevala (which I've been reliably informed will be very hard to do). I find that the repetition that this ap provides is the only way I can get these strange words into my long-term memory. I also like to watch shows with the Finnish captions on, which you can do on Netflix and Prime for a lot of their content. Over time, I am finding that I'm grasping the syntax and grammar on an intuitive level. I don't practice speaking too much, but I find that I can think out things in Finnish more and more as time goes on.
AT @30:57 MAKES SO MUCH SENSE...and super helpful for ADULT MINDSET! "At the end of it they sound like a 5 year old...." That's what I've thought too- like it's a crazy level of immersion in a supportive (usually) environment - a child's experience.
I enjoyed very much to learn Norwegian. It was easy, first because we have a very good book to learn it (French to Norwegian) + Norwegian (even old people speaking dialects) were very patient with me, listen to me even if I needed 1 minute to tell one sentence. And they spoke to me in Norwegian, they accepted to not turn to English. After 4 months spent there, I started to work in a hotel ... I had to improve... fast... And of course I wanted to learn. Actually, at first I wanted to learn just a bit, but the dialogs in the book + CD, are so good (not boring), ti became a game (by the way, Norwegian grammer is very easy, and people speak straight. This language is easier than English).
The ancient way was: "Blood, sweet and tears..."
Bleeding, doughnuts, & crying sheets of paper
it depends also of the language. As a French, I can learn italian just going to the country. But, for chinese, I prefer to have some base before...
French and Italian belong to the Latin group of languages. If you try to learn Portuguese or Spanish as a French speaker you will find it easy. For instance a Ukrainian and a Slovakian speaker will find it relatively easy to learn Polish.
Some very intrresting points.
There is one area of ossible confusion. Comprehensible input isn't the same as immersion and in deed in many cases immersion if you're not prepared for it probably won't be comprehensible.
The vast majority of people won't automatically benefit from immersion and as it is done may end up not being immersion. If a group of English or Americans go a place and aren't linguistically ready they'll just hang out together or hang out with people wanting to practice their English.
Adults with children mash up their food into small and mushy chunks to ehlp them to cope with it. And eventually they're able to eat steak (provided they're not vegetarian).
You need milk before solids.
Anyway reading is often more likely comprehensible or easier to work with - you can reread it, find context etc, look up words if necessarily.
In a class a blended approach is better but for oral work students need to be comfortable so the teacher needs to make it all comprehensible and (preferably) fun with no humiliation rituals (accepting good enough answers, not obsessing about the minutiae).For children I think a good idea is to run games in the language where teams are competing and score points and if possible involving movement.
If you are on your own then trying to get spoken content by some means
It's fascinating to think about people learning languages in history because we often know people learned languages but without knowing how. Simple sentences, stories and dialogues seem like an earlier version of comprehensible input. A good plave to start. Rote learning is something that was very common and in our world is less common (we generally don't recit poems by heart for instance).Obvioulsy we have our own memory techniques (Anki, wordist).
That was like six different posts in one.
I have a very important question here , please , which I hope you make a video or live stream with educated native English speakers like this wonderful lady on that interesting topic I just noticed some days ago : I am an non native teacher of English , also a professional translator , 47 years now , studied more than 10 languages including classical Greek and Latin , claim to know thousands of vocabularies in English and many other languages , the problem and even the shock I had is that when I opened a novel titled "doomed " by Chuck Palahniuk , to my great surprise I found too many new words which I never encountered before , believe it or not , more than 10 words per a single page so mounting up to more than 2000 new words in the whole novel ! my point here is : does any average educated native speaker of English know all the words in novels ? or they also encounter difficulties like us and need a dictionary ? here are some examples of these words I mean so you can check with native speakers to tell you the truth about it , I am sure this will be a very interesting topic to discover this hidden dark world of strange vocabulary that we never meet in school or university text books ! : ( slouch scarab frond flail trundle zirconia scabrous churn coagulate burp hillbilly yodeling ) words that seem all Greek to me !!!
In that list I would look up scabrous but I could guess its meaning from context likely. So yes all those words are known to me, but they likely wouldn’t all be known to any native speaker who is not well read.
I think the best way to widen vocabulary is to read widely in different genres and fields. There’s always words to learn.
Your command of English is nonetheless excellent. Keep going!
I'm still hacking away at Mandarin, a full omg! 45 years after starting, omg! "intermediate" for 45 years! 🤪Interestingly nowadays there are multiple youtube channels for learning Mandarin, and they're getting more granular or niche-oriented I'd say. Meaning, I'm looking specifically for ones that are a. interesting, and b. at what in CEFR is around B1, the Chinese level is around HSK 4. And I have found three channels so far that give me what I need, and therefore although channels in some cases are really good, I don't go there as much.
To your question, 2vry interesting question. Depends on the author of course. as far as I know the most extensive use of vocabulary in an English-language novel is James Joyce's "Ulysses," which tallied in apparently at 265,000 different words! 😗Can you imagine? There are whole dictionaries dedicated to that novel.
I think it'd be easier to read Homer's Ulysses in the original, than Joyce'sSo don't feel so bad, you're doing great!
Slouch, frond, flail, trundle, churn, burp, hillbilly, yodelling and coagulate are pretty standard words imho, even if not used every day.
@englishteacher9865 I'm an ESL teacher and English is my native tongue. I'm struggling with teaching students. However, I don't struggle with the words you've written. I know all of them. Kids and people in the US/UK who don't read much or don't have college degrees might struggle with some of the words you wrote. That said, the words like _slouch, burp, hillbilly, coagulate, trundle, churn_ are rudimentary. You should know them at C2 or most of them at C1. Even kids in HS who don't do AP subjects know most of those words.
I guess you may want to appraise your knowledge: You could open up a pocket dictionary that contains, like, 30,000-40,000 (run-on) entries. In such a dictionary, an American or a Brit will know 99%+ words. *If you find serious gaps in your vocabulary, I advise reading fiction and using dictionaries on a regular basis.* If you don't use dictionaries, you may as well read a thousand books to no avail. The best strategy is to read books of various authors to further expand the vocabulary. The same goes for watching US/UK movies. My advice: Start watching movies and TV shows *with subtitles always on and a dictionary close at hand.* You may find some basic expressions are unfamiliar to you. My ESL students struggle with expressions and idioms, and there's no magic wand I can wave here to make them C1 or C2. Learning takes years.
On top of that, English may have more word families than other languages, e.g. the word _tractor trailer_ has numerous synonyms in English, just like the word _arenaceous._ BTW, all my students have the same problem: Small vocabularies and unwillingness to read and look up words. The same goes for watching videos and looking up words in subtitles.
BTW, there's some teacher here on TH-cam who says 10,000 words is enough. I guess it is enough for communicating and for B2 level. *Reading fiction and even watching movies (much smaller vocabulary is required) still exceeds 10,000 by a factor of 3 to 5.*
Important point: We should not confuse word families with run-on entries in a dictionary, e.g. an average college dictionary has around 160,000 entries (run-ons) but the count of word families is, like, 40,000. It's better to count words/entries according to dictionaries. Knowing a word family means little to me and I demand much more from my students. For example, they all know words _fall_ and _through_ but not the phrasal verb _fall through._ Besides words have multiple meanings, e.g. _bit_ may mean a mouthpiece of a bridle, cutting part of an ax, etc.
Last point. ESL teachers should strive for C2 level, although C1 is enough to teach. They should strive to know more than 10,000 basic words. I understand time and money might put some constraints on such endeavors. This is life.
Great examples. They got me thinking, as a native speaker of English, and once an EFL teacher, of how I learned these words. Before age five, at home: 1 SLOUCH, 2 BURP. Mom would say: Don´t SLOUCH in your chair! Sit up straight. Or, Say "Excuse me when you BURP at the dinner table! Then, in school, maybe age seven, the teacher shows how butter is made: with a 3 CHURN. 4 YODEL, YODELING I probably picked up watching a movie, or maybe on a TV show. Once you hear somebody from Switzerland YODELING in the mountains, you will never forget the sound. 5 HILLBILLY I may have gotten from the popular TV series called THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES. 6 ZIRCONIA Who knows when? Just know it is a pretty rock or crystal -- many worlds like this. 7 COAGULATE, maybe in Middle School -- teacher talking about first aid or maybe in biology class. 8 SCARAB, SCABROUS, FLAIL, TRUNDLE, SCARAB and FROND were probably around the university time. I may have found most of them in reading, but in many cases I had to write the word down, and look it up. So just reading does not seem to be the cure-all, do-all. However, once you know the words, by experiencing them personally (SLOUCH, BURP . . . ), or hearing them in a classroom (COAGULATE . . .), reading works to reinforce them. You need to see them from time to time to not forget, AND many, many of these words have secondary meaning and metaphorical usage. Reading gives that profound knowledge of each word. Hope my long comment was useful (It was to me!)
Holy smokes I just discovered your channel you’re awesome
You've come to us at the right time my friend...It's gonna get crazy over the next few months haha.
This is an interesting channel. I'd love to learn Latin.
Those learning styles ideas around 7 min mark have been completely debunked, they aren't real. Yes, some people may *prefer* one dominant method but really we all do best with some sort of multi-media. There are not auditory learners and visual learners, etc., that's a myth. Sure that is somewhat different for language where we tend to think auditory and speaking come first, though even there it's multi-media as we have visual things and activities that the language connects to.
Super interesting
As a psychology major I must say that when comparing Roman learning methods with what is done today, two things must be said: there was no radio or tv to distract people from learning tasks; secondly, because individual human rights was not a major value, the average Roman would have been educated with a harsher sense of self-discipline and perseverance than what is acceptable in the West today. So, any of today's language learning methods exported back into time to Rome would have gotten greater results than can be observed today.
I was a bit ambiguous in my comment about discipline: when I did martial arts training I was able to observe that I always learned something much quicker and easier from the mean instructors, who would almost be shouting at me, than from the nicer, really polite ones.
@@biblicalgreekjagdmanmethod3863 That may vary by person, emotional needs, personality etc. Some students may do better happily bonded to an instructor they like and feel supported by for example. This comment is only speaking to contemporary times- I have no knowledge of ancient instruction/needs.
@@biblicalgreekjagdmanmethod3863 I had the same experience. But this is also a stage of development issue. I believe that the harsh method is better for the early stage as it is both a physical, mental toughness and focus building moment. After that, when the discipline and focus have been built this method becomes useless.
I also think the harsh method is better suited for kids since they need to build self confidence through acted/"theatrical" confrontation, and part of it is through going through difficult initiation rites. This is common to all traditional societies. The harshness is still taking place in a safe environment. Everybody is going through the same treatment so it gives coherence to the group and helps the bonding experience. However, disciplined adults who are self aware, benefit from conceptual explanations and a more intelligence based approach.
Super interesting, cheers!!
When we speak and write it forces our attention. Some people can read and listen to fluency because they happen to have the focus based on existing motivation. Active recall is always necessary for learning.
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Grüße vom Rhein!
why "destroy" modern methods ??? maybe you consider only the american way of learning in certains schools ?
Fascinating interview, thanks!
Influenced by researchers who argue in favor of learning vocabulary, I’m beginning to change my mind about its usefulness (it’s also helping me with Mandarin). Dr. Norbert Schmitt argues that learning vocabulary and comprehensible input complement each other: th-cam.com/video/SiWZgjXhLUw/w-d-xo.html
Explict learning is not CI. So why do people insist on propgating this ridiculous term.
@@twodyport8080 What ridiculous term? Schmitt says (and I agree) that “[explicitly] learning vocabulary and comprehensible input complement each other”.
@@rauschma Comprehensible Input. It is a discredited theory and usually conflated with input. Besides that you can cannot have CI AND learning vocabulary as that means you have broken the principle of CI.
@@twodyport8080 How would you call input that is tailored to someone’s level of knowledge of a language? Graded input?
@rauschma I guess they are called graded readers etc for that reason.
I have never heard so many wrong statements... first of all, children don't take YEARS to start speaking... if they don't have any cognitive issues ,they start with 1+ year to talk and can build sentences with 2 years. And the amount of vocabulary goes into the tens of thousands at the age of 6 or so, at least for German speakers with an intact family, i.e. where adults talk to their children. You cannot reach that level with just non-immersive learning on your own... if you are not a savant. To get to that level as an adult, with common methods (not this comprehensible input stuff), it takes at least twice as long - and only if you are very very good... That's why immersion is so important for the comprehensible input method, otherwise you will even be slower than with conventional methods. When I started learning Turkish at the age of 13, I started to memorize tables of verb conjugation... that helped me with the grammar, however I had huge problems with vocabulary and still have... since I lack the time to learn or to immerse myself.
ONE COMMENT: it is really nice if the camera isn't LOOKING UP AT THE PERSON, one it's less flattering, feels unnatural and thus is a bit off putting. Folks who are not motivated for appearance don't notice this, as they may not use media for "popularity" it might be nice to adjust WITH interviewers before hand?
Thanks for bringing us this interesting research.