Yamaha MT10 vs R1 - Is the Naked Bike Any Better?
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Which one's your pick? Are you the comfy fast boi with the MT10 or the flashy fast boi with the R1. Don't forget we're giving the R1 away for free on yammienoob.co Time is running out!
R1.i never get the point with those nakeds with 400hp + above 120km/h the windblast is just anoying as hell
I love the look of both. But the r1 would be my pick without a doubt. Feel more comfortable on the r1 than the Mt. Its kinda weird.
R1 for the looks alone.
R1 always😎
@@SilentOne74 i feel more comfortable on clip ons to, i like the forward lean.
The only thing I'm hearing, as a beginner is "buy both right away."
"It has tractioncontrol, power modes and abs, its safe mom"
"Ill just keep it in mode 3 in the beginning and its basically like a MT-03"
Absolutely!!!
@@SportSoulLife That's what i said to mine, got my self an MT09, worked out well
Andrea Piana As a beginner bike? Whoa. Be careful. Riding is the most dangerous at around 2-4 years of experience as you get overconfident about your abilities.
Awesome bike though, i was kind of between the 10 and Tracer 900, but after testriding the 10 i decided ill endure the slight decreased comfort in long runs (the MT-10 with some touring mods is still perfectly fine, just not as good as the tracer) for the 10s chasis and engine. Just absolutley love that bike. When i returned to the dealer after two days (rented it for 2 days as a longer test ride, got the rent much cheaper), i just walked in, pointed at it and said in a childish voice "I want that one". Rode one out the door an hour later.
@@SportSoulLife It's my first motorbike for all intents and purposes. I did a few days on the track in the past with a friend's R6 but I had no experience on the road with other bikes. Anyway I am almost 30 years old and I drive quite responsibly so statistically I try to reduce the risk of ending up in a coffin. The bike is a lot of fun, especially after replacing the suspension and remapping the ECU. It's definitely not a bike I would recommend for a first experience, but I am of the opinion that the difference is always in the brain and the wrist!
5:25: R1 and MT wheels are not the same. R1 wheels are magnesium, MT are cast aluminum. But you can bolt up the R1's wheels to the MT (I've done it). Lots of people also think that the MT has a detuned R1 engine. Not so...differences are cylinder head, conrods, compression ratios, cams, larger airbox, non-active velocity stacks and only one set of fuel injectors for the MT.
🔥🔥great analysis bro. As an engineering student this was very nice to hear
The newest SP and the R1 are much more similar, but still the head is different, and the cam is possibly different. The gearing is 100% different, but still a fun bike.
Not to mention forged steel vs TI
Red lights: I'm about to end this man's whole career
"if you look to your right" camera pans to my left..
Stage right
Tyler Jack "your right"
It’s still to the right of them
Your other right jackass
@@Sss12698 your right means the person their talking to's right side, which is their left..
Sold my MT 09 and bought a MT 10. Love it! Amazing power delivery, great handling, great sound. Each time I take it out it''s exciting. Best bike I have owned.
Same. Wait till you add an akrapovic system and an ECU flash. It's night and day my friend. Ride safe ✌️🏍️
I own an MT10SP aswell, best bike I ever owned, lost my licence 4 times.
@@lolderdelol why pull over
@@ericks1081 Well if they have your plate number, you better pull over.
what are your thoughts now between the 9 and 10? I'm about ready to trade up an sv650 and can't decide which one to go for
I believe Spite's helmet's too big. There's an echo. XD
Imagine if he shaved his beard, would be even more "man in a cave"
Its literally like he's in a hall with hundreds of people in silent listening to his presentation😂
"Vulcan's suck-suck-uck-uck-k-k!"
I think the echo comes for yammies helmet.
His microphone is catching his ear phones
It would be interesting to swap the fairings from the R1 onto the MT10 so you get the comfy seat, the brutal mid range, but also the better aero
Not a bad idea
That's what aprilia does with the tuono
I wonder how much that would cost🤔. Because anything is possible it's just a question of how much would it cost to do or would it take a ton of custom work that would end up making it cost more than it's worth. Because if it cost like $5k you might as well buy an Aprilia
That’s what the FZ1 basically was with the Gen 1 R1 engine.
@@Apfel-Zimmer Why? The R1 engine is drastically better in both material and engineering.
I did a test ride of the MT-10SP 2019. I'm still shaking from all the adrenaline! That bike is a beast and a joy to ride!
The R1's suspension is absolutely brutal on rough roads with sharp edges like potholes, sink holes, and root bumps, even fully loosened up. It is like literally getting donkey punched in the nuts sometimes, almost debilitating if you hit a bad one you didn't see coming. The R1M's electronic suspension is a pretty noticeable improvement when set to its softer settings, but still pretty firm on those types of sharp bumps. However the R1 and R1M are overall more refined than the MT10, especially the fueling. I would take an R1 any time the speed is over 75 MPH, and the MT10 any other time. The sky high gearing on the R1 make it pretty silly to ride around town. On track the MT10 is fun, but the R1 is a lot funner, if not a bit scarier due to the extra speed. The R1 is insanely fast without feeling fast. The MT10 conveys a sense of speed, which is probably better from a survival stand point on public roads. The R1 aero is actually pretty good, keeping a lot of the wind off the hands and legs in cold weather, while on the MT10 you are going to get cold. The current gen R1's engine is SO smooth, all the way to redline, as is its shifting... just feels like a really top quality, highly refined combination. As good as the R1 sounds, the MT10 had more of it, and sounded even better. I hope to try the new gen 2022 MT10 very soon... hopefully it has been refined a bit in the fueling department to match the R1's level of smoothness.
REALLY REALLY REAAALLY enjoying the upload consistency! Doing a great job keeping the videos separate and unique as well. Thanks for the content!!
fun fact! the gearing in the transmissions is the same between the two but the mt-10 has two extra teeth on the rear sproket
Thanks bud was wondering about that
I’ve had 9 super sport/liter bikes of nearly every manufacturer that I track and daily but after a bad wreck I can’t comfortably ride a SS anymore but thank god for supernakeds becasue I test rode every Supernaked and was really impressed with the MT10 , to have the cross plane crank 998 and Yamaha reliability and service dealers everywhere I was leaning MT10 and made my decision when the Yamaha dealer had 11 MT10’s and they weren’t selling so they marked 2 of them down to $9,900 and no dealer fees to move inventory so my decision was made. It was between thst and a Tuono Factory but it was $19,200 out the door, so half the price foe the MT10 and not far off the Tuonos performance it was the best decision I’ve made in bikes. My back doesn’t hurt, I did some performance upgrades and it does really well at the track too. Best MT10 mod, take off the 21 lb cat replace with a. Decat pipe, keep the factory muffler , it’s titanium and lighter than many aftermarket and a larger internal diameter than a lot of the aftermarket too. You now have Moto GP sound . I put EBC brake pads on, a race filter and reflash and man it hauls ass. The torque is so damn awesome and down SO damn low!
Love my FZ-10, best bike I've ever owned.
It makes a decent touring bike too. Loaded her up with saddle bags and luggage and made a 2 day 800 mile trip with no issues.
Hows the mileage?
“It rips fat fucking wheelies” is what sold me.
Thank you! I've been waiting for your take on this. No one else has really addressed the details that I've wanted to know
After owning two Kawasaki 636’s and a ZX-10 over the years, I gave up my love for supersports for the hypernaked Z-H2. Aside from the supercharger, I absolutely love the riding position and the cruise control. I’m never going back😊😍
Nice you have a zh2 already? Didn't they just come out
Brandon Clayton I believe it became available in February or March of this year.
Brain: Wow the MT10 seems like it would be the more practical and better choice for everyday riding.
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Heart:
Looks like I'm going with a R1.
Wallet: ain't gonna happen, lol...
Back & wrists: Siri, give me a list of chiropractors near where im riding today?
i am old!😁
That's my thoughts too. The mt-10 just makes more sense in every way, but god damn having an R1 would make my life.
Facts, people just want more
My thoughts exactly. The older I get, the more comfort I want but I just can't do it yet. Keep my rides to an hour or less.
Got a 2017 fz10, absolutely love it.
When i hear people say they "clutch up the fz09/10 " i cringe. I power wheelie my 09 up to 90mph. Cruising as 90mph on the highway in 4th gear if u nail it and literally just give up up motion with your hands its standing up....for as long as you need. I havent been on a mt10 yet but i will soon. Cant wait to see if its meets my expectations
2:40 40mph in first gear? are you serious? my man please shift up
Spite sounds like he's speaking into a large forum from all the echo I am hearing.
I bought a R1 sold it bought a MT10 and i have never looked back or regerted it for one second love the MT10
How long did you have the R1? Bought an R1, but not sure if I made the right choice..
@@noeagosto9231 I gave it 3 months of riding everyday no matter what weather.
Fan from Philippines 🇵🇭 ride safe
Recently bought an '09 speed triple & related instantly when U said how the mt-10 is a rocketship, you guys should try out the speed triple, the sound & torque, ROCKETSHIP!
I am not a “fast boy”. I do like one that may be thought of as one. Kawasaki Z900rs cafe.
Plus love the w800 as well.
Twisted road is a bitchin service. Highly reccomend it. That's what let me try out the scrambler for a few days before committing to buy it, plus i got to hit some Colorado canyons
Great video, thanks. It's one of the two for me but I'm leaning towards the R1 since I live out in the country of flat west Tx and I love top end!
“Nooooooo... Gooood, why must I suffer” 😭😭😭 had me rolling
Dude I ride 120 miles for m my round trip to work on an R6. They’re comfy enough and I’m 35 with 2 separated shoulders and surgical repairs
I've got the 2014 FZ1, but with half fairing. I love the bike. I bought it last year, and put almost 6k on it, including 2k in one week. You don't want to spend that much time on it until you replace the stock seat. But other than that, itis comfortable to just eat up miles.
Ya, I would definitely get the MT-10. I would imagine a quick google search and you would find plenty of aftermarket windshields that you could put on it for the windblast...
There are only four components that the FZ-MT 10 share with the R1. The main frame,swing arm, bottom end of the motor and the exhaust. Purchased my FZ in 2017 and it still never gets boring!!
You guys finally improved your color grading! Awesome!
"If you look to your right", *pans left*
Thank you for posting this bro. Awesome video man
Mt-10 is the best all around bike for me. Does everything I need. The only thing that irritates me about the mt10 is the price and the people who bought them new and think they’re worth way more than it really is. Good luck finding one under 12,000 dollars any amount of miles.
Great comparison. Spite did get one thing wrong though. I've had my MT-10 up to 147mph indicated on the track and it was still pulling on the 0.5 mile front straight when I had to break for the next corner. Videos are posted on my channel if people are curious.
@MoMo BaBa advice to live by!
I’m a weekend warrior and I only ride to have fun. Don’t really commute with the bike. I traded my fz09 for an R1 lol but for sure I can tell you that it’s not as comfortable then the fz09 that’s for sure lol
It’s obviously more practical to get the MT10, but there’s something about getting the best of the best, no compromise, sexy performance of the R1.
I traded in my GSXR750 for an MT-10 and couldn't be happier. MT-10 is such an amazingly fun bike for riding around town with.
Hearing Yammie whine about the red lights in has got to be the funniest thing ever because I understand this problem soo much!
I got a MT10 and love it. Does everything I need it to, especially wheelies. I also got full coverage insurance for 1500 a year compared to the r1 which would have been 6000 a year so that was a dealbreaker as well
Where do you live? I’m 19 with a ‘15 R1 and with full coverage I pay just under $1k a year
Ryan Polanco , what age are you, single I assume, and what does your driving record look like? Because you shouldn't have to ride an ugly bike just to get reasonable insurance.
I feel like super sport bikes in a few years will have a laptop worth of screen and buttons to mess around with rider mods and stuff like that like traction control, wheelie control, power. Those things are getting dangerously close to have a airplane cockpit worth of buttons LMAO
Literally, all of the modern superbikes have it. Have you seen the new s1000rr dash? It basically an iPad but with even more features you can customize everything to your liking and even connect your phone to the dash to display the GPS and media.
But customizing stuff like traction control, abs, engine power/throttle maps and etc we have that technology like for past 8 years.
So everything you said we already have.
Just a tach, I'm Good 💪
The MT apparently stands for "Master of Torque"
Yeah
Monster Torque...
“Massive Torque”
I ride a naked and the issue with nakeds is that beyond 60mph it gets too hard and tiring to ride. You're just completely exposed to the airflow and being in an upright position exacerbates that. At the same time, sports bikes are too aggressive. What I want, is the engine configuration and spec of the MT-10, on a bike with a fairing just like the R1 but larger so that it disperses more of the air around the rider, clip-ons but slightly higher and a softer, slightly wider seat. See what I'm getting at? A sports-touring version of the MT-10, a "VFR800F-type" R1, if you will. I have a good hunch it will fly off the showroom floor. Sport tourers are already the most popular bikes, the issue is they're either "standard-type" with flat bars and small fairings or they're lanky "adventure sports" like the Tracer.
Yammie, C Temp = Coolant Temperature 🌡👍🏽
As a stock seat XR1200 owner, whenever I hear someone complain about a seat I just fucking laugh. You guys dont know how good you got it.
The MT-10 has the least amount and least sophisticated electronics out of all the Hypernakeds I have ridden. But tbh, aside from cornering ABS, the more decked out electronics add nothing for me when it comes to street riding. And it was BY FAR the most fun out of all of them (1290 Superduke R, CB1000R, S1000R, GSX-S1000, MT-10, all with maxed out packages).
The things I'd change: remove the quickshifter, lower, more forward bars. Everything else would be fully optional stuff like exhaust, indicators, windshield etc. The usual stuff
Professional video, keep it up without unnecessary jokes
AWESOME VIDEO MR YAMMIE! 🔥🔥🔥
is this another chase on two wheels collab? he did the r3 vs mt03 this morning
Nice to see the comparison go up same time as chases
Cut my teeth on my first vehicle ever , at 16, in 73 on a 71 rd 350 . That was a fast bike for its time, wheelies all day, drum brakes front and rear, no bells no whistles, had to keep tools on board for the ignition points , and plugs.. Got three sweet v twin cruisers, but.... at 65, can't stay off my 06 R1 . No abs, traction control, or other bells and whistles. really don,t want high tech, just power, and disc brakes. My 92 vmax has carbs. may be selling it.
Nice video as always YAMS 😎😎
Any other aprilia tuono/rsv4 folks in here too? I feel you papa yam with the pain of driving in the city with all those red lights! 😂 damn those V4’s are hot! 🥵
I own MT-10 and its just an awesome attention grabbing machine - the design, performance and looks are simply outstanding but i had to get a cushion for my seat as that is not comfortable for long er rides
Switch the toothing of the sprockets to get longer gearing and more speed on the MT-10. :-)
Got my 17 FZ 07 ABS yesterday!
Is it your first bike?:)
@@Adrian-fo4kv Sure is. I'm in my thirties. I've got a healthy amount of excitement and respect for this bike.
imkris22 Nice man, good choice for a first bike. Getting a bike with ABS is a good idea as well, remember to ride safely out there.
I got my '16 last year. Im 30 now :)
You guys dont even know how lucky you are to be allowed to have a mt-07 as a first bike
Had a sport bike forever. Just bought a Speed Triple and now ask myself, why the hell did I ever own a sport bike forever? The riding position, just everything about the naked is so much more enjoyable. I thought the wind would bother, but without the plastic I can barely tell the difference.
I bought a 06 vulcan 900 for my first bike, now I have a mt07. What a difference.
FYI neither of these bikes are "top of the line" at Yamaha. The R1M has fully electronic Ohlins and the MT10 SP has electronic Ohlins plus the TFT dash from the R1. Also, an exhaust and flash are necessary to get the throttle perfect and unlock 180hp from the MT10.
Awesome! I’m on the fence about getting an MT-10 or keep my 2017 GSXR 1000.
Gsxr
@@prashantrat8978 I ended up with the MT😄
11:44 Spike: ...stuff I don't give a sh** (censored) about. 14:02 Yammie: FAT FUCKIN WHEELIES!! :D
Modern hypernakeds are nuts. I’ve the SFV4s in grey. It’s literally a naked Pani V4s with handlebars.
On track of course aerodynamics will win out. On the road it doesn’t matter if you get to the coffee shop .05 of a second faster on a Pani 😂
My Sfv4 is faster off the line too especially the 2023 update. 70% available torque at only 4k rpm.
And sitting at 270kmph with an electronic limit of 299kmph I never think jeez I need more power and discomfort 😂
i had a 02 fz1 o loved that bike but was in an accident with it not my fault. court proved that
We all new that spite is a powerful entity... but the world has now confirmed it by giving his voice crazy reverb!!
I like to manually shift a motorbike. Its so much more satisfying than a quick shifter.
Its the R1 for me, and I am not gonna apologize for that either. Better components, better aero, vastly better looks, and yes you do sacrifice a little bit of comfort but man.... when the roads get curvy you just can't beat the Sportbike riding position, let alone going to a track. I don't think the MT10 is a bad bike at all, but its a compromise. Its like going to a fast food restaurant and getting the salad instead of the burger. Yes its more mature, yes its better for you, and yes it still fills you up, but was it really what you were craving?
My 2018 MT has a slipper clutch and a quick shifter! Only features you can utilize on the street anyways.
I’ve got 2010 r1 and 2017 mt10 , the r1 is a race bike and can’t be softened enough for roads,enter mt10 and it’s a corner to corner weapon with the mid range. By the time the r1 is wound up the mt10 is there . I love both my bikes but If I was riding my r1 on the road I couldn’t get near myself on the mt10!?! If that makes any sense whatsoever…if you are lucky enough to get any of these you will be happy, I have not been passed by any r1 on the twisties when I’m on the 10 , until the straight. And that is the difference between the two
I’d love to see a video where you guys do an advanced road rider course like the British IAM or ROSPA courses. There’s a lot of stuff that would make you safer and faster on the road that you don’t do here, plus your channel giving attention to it would probably genuinely save lives.
I’m not interested in going faster on road, that’s what my racing with CMRA and track days are for
I’m a chilled boi... the original MT01.
Love my bike like no other.
On the R1 you gotta soften up the suspension settings if you not gonna be at the track. 2020 R1 they softened the suspension from the 15-19's.
@yammie noob what communication system are you guys using to talk to each other? It's so clear
@yammienoob
Man.. US gets bikes so cheap. I'm sooo jealous
H2r: hi kids
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What if the MT-10 had filter, exhaust, tune ? that would be a good comparsion since the R1 is tuned and piped.
You need ND filters on your go Pros guys. Love the way how you compare them in real life tho.
Watch the motion blur, both gopros have ND filters
It’s all people choice
But MT10 it’s more practical & comfort for daily or longer commute.
I love this channel, but I truly don't get the "comfort" part of the R models.
People keep on saying the R1 / r6 are not meant to long rides, are not as comfortable.....dude I made 4K kms on a R6 and then 4k more on a chieftain ( and yes those harley on steroid motorcycles, are different ) but the only notice was the lack of space, as I had to ride with a backpack and stop way more frequently for gas.
Why I watch these videos : I just love seeing so nice and empty roads 🤩😂 PI.. but really gotta love the roads.. hope those types of roads been made in India
its the naked looks that don't do it for me, especially the transformer looks
That and the Wind!
"...But if you look to your right..."
*Camera pans left*
I have MT-10 I couldn't be happier with it.
If I ever have enough money, I will buy a MT-09 SP as my first and only motorcycle.
Dude, I LOVE that T-shirt!! where did you get it?
Hey yammie, I been watching a lot of your videos. Could you make a video/suggestions of smaller/lighter frame bikes?
Dude you left in an F bomb in post!
Sitting here lmfao listening to you two 😂. I'm to old to be riding on a bike I'm not going to be comfortable on. I'm hoping to buy a 2024 model, sooner than later. I was thinking about the mt10. But now I'm looking at the 24 model tracer 9gt plus also. I'm already picking out helmets and riding gear and don't even have a bike yet.
its simple. supersport is better in the mountain/cannon and naked is great for commuter ride and a big city ride... i got my self a 2017 honda fireblade and a 2020 triumph street triple rs for that reason 😎
How do you guys manage to ride at 44 mph and below for such long periods of time? My Busa does that speed while parked!
If it’s just “de-tuned” then why don’t ecu tunes give the mt-10 200 to the wheel? It has to be more than just a tune. Why can’t I swap sprockets on the mt10 and do 180mph? There’s more to the design than just a tune. Nowhere online does it tell me the difference in the engines. I want the r&d differences. If it was just a simple tune, then you should be able to flash it to R1 spec. I don’t get it
Twisted road is expensive ! And only thing in my area was a Kawasaki versis 😩
Great video and review guys, thank you!
Yammie, what bike would you recommend for a guy who is slowly losing the use of his legs and may have to convert the bike to 3 wheels later?
I love your content I am from India and can you tell me ktm 390 adv is a good bike or not for biggner
Yes it sure is
Perfect beginner bike. Good power, good handling, reliable and you can take it off road.
MT10 is my favorite Naked and I have owned them all. I still have my Super Duke but I prefer the MT10
How do they compare to one another
@@bigmorg1267 The MT10 has a smoother engine, takes corners quicker since it is a shorter wheel base. The SD because of the twin has vibration up until the RPMs hit 4-5k. The KTM is definitely a more expensive build due to all parts being pretty top notch. Don't get me wrong the SD is amazing in it's own right but there is something magical about the MT10, I just find it more fun to ride. I recently added the bags, comfort seat and windshield to go longer distance, however, the range sucks on the MT10 (maybe 130 miles per tank). You can't go wrong with either but if I could only pick one it would be the MT10
Got my MT-10 last week.. Would not swap it for a different bike. It's so worth it and a a better ride than the R1. Of course that it my opinion.
I agree, I found mine in McAllen Tx it was the last one in the store, bought right then and there and I am loving it
I wouldn’t even begin to know where to start as far as fine tuning all the nannies and electronics on the R1. I would just stick with the pre loaded settings aka M10 it is. But for so many more reasons. I’ve never ridden on a track in my life and don’t plan on it. You have to really want an R1 or really any liter sport bike for that matter to go out and get one. Otherwise it’s pointless. Honestly even the power of the mt10 is mostly pointless unless you’re a hooligan street racer or something . MT 09 is plenty. Ok, I’m starting to sound my age.
Naked bikes best sellers Europe. Much easier to work on. Middle weight bikes have so much power that liter, Halo bikes, are over kill. Going to keep my Super Duke and MV Agusta Dragster 800rr Pirelli for a long time. My MV makes my Super Duke feel huge. The MV is like a bicycle. Smaller bikes rule. That MV 6th gear at 2000 rpm no problem. Feels like a V4.