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The iPhone 16 Pro was just released, and it features 4K at 120fps recording in ProRes and Apple Log which is a huge step for iPhone filmmaking. So in this video I am comparing the iPhone 16 Pro Max to my RED Dragon Cinema Camera. There aren't that many cameras that can shoot 4k 120fps, the Sony FX3 and FX6, and newly released Canon C80. Many cinema camera offerings like the Black Magic Cinema Camera and Black Magic PYXIS and the RED Komodo are actually outperformed by the iPhone 16 Pro in this regard.
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I just published my full iPhone 16 Pro Camera Review after traveling with it, go watch it here: th-cam.com/video/0limUFMMwKg/w-d-xo.html
This guy was supposed to be a poor student, but now he owns a red cinema camera??
Watch the video I posted before this one haha, I got it VERY cheap
He said later in the video that he paid less for the camera then the iphone. :)
He paid less for the camera than he did for the phone ...
Enjoyed your video can you please do more iPhone videos.. like for creating videos and maybe a short 3 minute movie.
@@futc.photographyhey the ssd issues might be due to the lack of dram on your small ssd.
Very informative and entertaining video. Love your sense of humor as well. Keep on keeping on! :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Apple should sponsor you. I think you just sold me on this phone.
apple sheep gonna sheep
@@sqlevolicious nah. I use everything man. Best of both worlds. I think the iPhone 16 as a budget video camera is a very, very solid option.
@@sqlevolicious android sheep
"How do I have a degree?" "The laws of displacement got the best of me.."
I would watch you do straight up stand up.
Thank you Chris! 😁🙏
4:53 - The visuals here are breathtaking! 😍
@9:25 the angle and lighting is so noticeable. bro what are you doing?
Absolutely true but the iPhone footage is zoomed in more
😂😂 u saw too
This is the exact video that I was looking for since this model was announced. Tysm😊
what is the difference between choosing the 4K 120fps in video mode and slow it down and just choose the slomo option 4k 120 fps? any difference?
Bro that’s the best video comparison I have seen should do more
how he literally spent like 10 minutes doing nothing and showed 2 clips as comparison..
That 1000 bucks is worth it these phones are super capable. For the fact that it takes these kinda videos and also be able to perform other daily tasks. Wow thats mind blowing
4k with no 60Fps enable for my YT video , why? 😭
One aspect that I wish to point out - whenever iPhone video footage is mentioned - is the physical limitations of the lens or lenses the iPhone (or any comparable smartphone) employs. Now I am not a physicist or engineer but - for decades at this stage - I’ve encountered very detailed explanations of why such and such lens is designed the way it is (and the starting point is that actual size of the various “pieces of optical glass” - the “elements” - the lens comprises - the relatively small “taking lens” on an iPhone must - I suspect - suffer in comparison). Has “image processing software” advanced to the stage that decades of “lens design know how” no longer is the determinant of the quality of the image captured ? The price of the Red camera is mentioned in this video - the price of even a medium quality motion picture lens may, itself, run into one to two thousand dollars (and I speak of a fixed focal length lens - not a zoom). So - basically - I am asking - has all this clever software made traditional notions of what constitutes a very high quality “taking lens” for motion picture capture redundant ???????
"has all this clever software made traditional notions of what constitutes a very high quality “taking lens” for motion picture capture redundant?"
Yes and no.
At the commercial level, it's still not even remotely close. Cinematography with proper hardware and software is on another planet compared to mobile device camera arrays and their AI software making up for the loss in clarity. Films are not using smartphones, for that form-factor, they are using action cameras like gopro and dji osmo action. Better yet, it the lens that really makes the clarity and tight focus that no smartphone will ever be able to replicate correctly. Though I can see future AI hallucinating some scenes to make it seem like it works, but it will never be the actual real scene with the right factors in play.
We might even see a future smartphone in the next few years being good enough for some small factor scenes with short cuts, but it would still take an enormous amount of editing to fit the scenes.
At the consumer level, yes, very few people understand how to use a real camera, and even if they got their hands on a good camera, they would not be able to do as well as their smartphone, which does it all for them by analyzing scenes and heavily relying on AI to create their photo. In part to why the industry is suffering, less people getting into photography, videography, and cinematography in general due to the ease of use with smartphone camera arrays.
Until they need to do actual professional shoots, then they are locked out of making anything reasonable outside of instagram shitposts with speedramping.
This also comes down to major issues with consumerism in the apple cult, of which less are subscribing to every day, but there are still avid believers in overpriced hardware and software that is defeated by decade old tech. As seen in numerous comments in this comment section.
Above all this, high res or pro res or 120fp causing device overheating
What case did you put on your iPhone?👀👀
I just watched the video from you yesterday “I bought the cheapest RED camera on the internet” and after seeing this video, I just want to tell you……….excellent choice
The 16 Pro has the same size main sensor as the 15 and 14. They only improved the read out speeds.
i think its the processor also wich helps with the speed that it reads as they said that the main sensor is quicker.
Nope
@@blueninja5194 He's right.
@@captain_yuri1 nope mostly in software but did you know war thunder is a fun game
In the keynote they did say it's slightly bigger, unless I'm misremembering it.
Bro, does the 512 gb iphone 16 pro max supoort all the recording features? Please replyyyy ,
How much did you pay for the used red camera?
By the way this is not comparable to an actual mirrorless camera. In low light the mirrorless will always be supreme. Bigger sensor = clearer images and more light.
What red camera do you have
Why is there a stutter in the iPhone footage? easily visible at 8:59 and forwards. There’s a clear pause every 1 seconds
An issue with the SSD, the data rate the iPhone puts out at 4k120 in prores 422 HQ is insane. Once the SSD's cache filled up it started dropping frames. Took me a bit to figure this out tho.
Well, that was a lot of fun... thank you for posting!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Why iPhone 16 Pro dont have 0,5 and 5x zoom for 120Hz?
As a long time photographer and videographer it's pretty crazy to see what you can do with the iPhone 16 Pro Max. It really is a game changer.
The iphone 120p looks so good. Certainly comparable to mirroless camera.
Nope
Maybe on a phone screen streaming at sub 40mbps😂.
Blow it up on even a 22 inch monitor and you’ll see a difference pretty quick.
@@RiceCubeTech40 Mbps is more than enough for a 4K video when it's compressed by very good algorithms.
and TH-cam video competition algorithm is mostly good for 4K
@@blueninja5194yup. Go away. Yup.
Stop noooo....!!!!!!
The issue with the SSD is not speed, but power draw. If the SSD draws more than the iPhone, it will cause problems unless connected to external power. Look for enclosures that accept external power and/or low power draw SSDs. Almost all SSDs now produced exceed the iPhone's data transfer limits, so power becomes the challenge. Faster, sexier SSDs are not necessarily better, as they consume more power.
It's not a power issue, likely the problem was the cache of the SSD filling up, and once the cache is full it gets extremely slow
Low Light ?
Low light conditions ?
Great Video Felix 💯
The Slightly Casual, Unplanned Approach In The Middle Felt Very Good & Realistic As A Filmmaker. 👍🏻
Thanks a ton!
Did you find anything out about the NVMe problem?
I think the problem is the SSD gets super slow once the cache has filled up
Now slap a lens rig on the iPhone and you’ll get the cinema edges.
cool lolzs
Youre iPhone was still background installing stuff?
Looks like you haven't tested Father of iPhone which is Sony Xperia)) mostly 1V or 1VI
try sony xperia 1 v which ha s4k 120fps on all lenses
that ssd looks small, might be an issue with dram-less ssds at that form factor (since it's not a full size nvme). 422hq @4k120 is probably a lot to handle for dram-less ssds, but it also kinda looks like a sabrent ssd, (i'm not sure if it has a dram cache or does it have nand writecache).
Do you know what else shoot 4k 120p Sony Xperia 1 mark iii and up
wow that is a big file, which external drive did you use and do you recommend?
The small Crucial ones are great
The difference is in the low light noise and in the dynamic range
Is the red less detailed because it hasn’t got internal compression etc because it’s raw?
No, it's just differences in how the sensors are built. And oversampling (which I think the iPhone does, but couldn't find a source on this) makes the image look much more detailed.
I love the Fruit Bowl Idea and will shamelessly copy it 😃
Hahaha 😂 Please do
😃
I just want to say I’m always happy when you drop a new video 😊 did you ever find out what was wrong with the SSD?
I need to do some debugging, but the sustained write speeds of the SSD might just be too slow :/
@@futc.photographyit's probably the cable that doesn't support the transfer speeds
What’s the best app to convert log to rec?
The problem might be with the cable that you are using and not the ssd
What is the size of the video file from each device.?
The iPhone footage is gigantic, significantly larger than from the RED. About 15 seconds of 4k120 in ProRes 422 HQ from the iPhone is 6GB
6:37 could be the cable which connected the two.
sony xperia phones already have this 4 K 120 fps feature since 2021
Yeah and it can record to internal storage
Xperia is kind of garbage compared to iPhone no matter how you look at it. just because they added a half-baked feature earlier doesn't mean it's better.
@@reza5347 lol, incorrect. Way off.
what about log?
@@reza5347 Lol you don’t have any idea about the xperia
How do you like the bomb evf. I was thinking about getting one for my dragon
It’s binned not cropped. You’re correct.
May I ask who the guy is sitting in front of the red car-picture?
Congratulations on the excellent review. Greetings of Brazil.
Many of 4k 120 fps camera right now, do you want to test it?
The iPhone is impressive for what it is but you’re right, the red is more aesthetic, soft and appealing. I like the detail from the iPhone but If I have to choose I’d pick the red
Thanks, for the tip on the external storage! I can go for a 256gb IPhone Max and boost it.
Link to MagSafe drive enclosure?
I added a link in the description!
How to do Colour grading?
I think these two devices are not comparable in a fair way. But i Love your video ;D
I appreciate that haha
Too subjective regards to the quality over cinematic video, u can do either with this comparison, just need a bit of tweak in grading and you’re good with iPhone
The iPhone needs a high quality high speed USB 3 10Gbps cable, even a thunderbolt cable is good, that could be the issue here for you
I believe so. Good observation
I was thinking this, and while I didn't Google the enclosure, it's possible it's slow. Just because something has a USB-C port doesn't mean it will have a good chipset or be fast.
lol
Oversampling does make a huge difference in apparent sharpness and decreasing noise- that is why the Sony FX30 image outshines the FX3 (at base ISO) - oversampling! I actually am shooting more and more directly with my iPhone (15Pro) - Log - ProRes (but I use ProResLT and the Blackmagic app) directly to an external small SSD- it has amazed me! Shallow DOF and shooting in very low-light are still a challenge for the iPhone - simply the physics of a very small sensor.
cap
U need to try s24ultra 4k 120fps apple is late 10 month old already on galaxy
And head to head the quality of the iPhone's 4k/120 video is worlds better. Who cares who had it first? Using your Logic Samsung was late too, so Sony wins because they had it in 2021 on their Xperia phone.
@@Bigheadedwon
And 120fps is gimmick for a phone , just a vibe and it will gone for month
@@Bigheadedwon i did comment that because everyone speaking like apple invent something new they need to get reminder
@@b.redouane Samsung didn't invent it either and Apple did an infinity better job on the quality of theirs. In this video he showed the iPhone can hang in the realm of the Red camera. The S24U has a tiktok worthy toy implementation of 4k/120. You said 120fps is a gimmick on a phone. It's actually usable in real world shooting with an iPhone as proven by this video
@@Bigheadedwon dont speak what im not
I said apple speaks like they invented it in a phone
I like this guy
He’s energetic
Quirky
And has a $35K Red Camera and no dishwasher
I’m sub’n
What happen if iphone start making cameras ?
You are really good at comparing bro
Can you please do 4k120fps on s24 fe
Btw a NVME SSD needs good air flow to stay cool and some good one stop working correctly when it heats up until it’s cool again and since it’s in a full plastic enclosure without air flow it heats ip quicker that cools down put it in a metal one and put the lid on the SSD with some none conductive thermal past and it should able you to film longer without problems
The enclosure is metal, and they included thermal pads but I didn’t apply those at first lol. I don’t think it’s overheating tho, i think it’s the SSD cache filling up and then the SSD gets super slow once
You should have used a Sandmarc lens
Just bumped into your video and I subs keep that original self 😅
I think that when you speak of detail it's a bit misleading as you are shooting with an older Canon lens, I'm sure if you were shooting with some high end glass on the Red it would be a drastic difference.
The sigma 18-35 1.8 is known to be a very sharp lens, there aren’t any ultra modern lenses available for the EF mount, but I don’t think it would make a big difference tbh
For photos I would always prefer Samsung’s S24 Ultra, but the iPhone’s video recording capabilities is just second to nothing.
With improvements in camera and software, the iPhone 16 Pro Max has reached a level where it could be considered for professional filming at a lower cost
This is impresive. The beat iPhone so far. I was so disapointed after 15 pro. Now I admire the 16 pro. Great video man 🙏
bmc app is not compatibe with 16 yet
I used it and it worked, the issues I had were related to my SSD (I think it’s cache is a bit small)
This video does a better publicity for the main camera sensor then Apples publicity! lol. Great video btw, and also entretaining! :)
The RED Dragon camera being cheaper than the iPhone, with the iPhone having sharper and more detailed footage is definitely a shocker! 💯🗣🗣🗣 Will you do a low-light comparison? 👀
The shocker is he was able to get it cheaper than the iPhone when it should have been a lot more. The deal he found was definitely not normal. Even just the body it should have been a lot more, with all the accessories it still should have cost about the same as a decent 10 year old car. It's very impressive that the iPhone was able to hang on some levels.
u should try s24 ultra's cameras
While Samsung phones are very good at photography, they have never been good at video recording, specially now that iPhones can record at ProRes Log, which is much more useful than 8K recording.
@augustogalindo8687 ye, idk y did I say that
Apparently, the new Zombie film "28 Years Later" starring Cillian Murphy & directed by Danny Boyle was filmed using the iPhone 15 pro max as the principal camera.
Even in pro res the iPhone still has sharpening. There is minimal if not no sharpening on the RED. Add some sharpening and add a bit of NR and some contrast. It’ll look a lot more similar.
Also I would like to see the iPhone footage under normal light and without a pro lighting setup. Even older iPhones looked good with pro lighting.
Modern mirrorless cameras look much better in shit lighting than a phone would.
Why need 120FPs ?
Needed af...while editing you can get 60fps 0.5x speed cinematics or b rolls or anything
@@Prateek_Rathee2102 personal i never use it
There were dropped frames on the iphone's slowed down shots. Did anyone else see this?
Yeah I noticed that later on, definitely part of the SSD issues I was facing. I'm pretty sure (after I did some additional testing) it's because once the SSDs cache fills up it gets super slow.
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Edit: no frickin way this all commented
Edit 2: now time to resume the video after half an hour of typing
Dear god why did I read all that 😂
ughhh i read this
should i buy
iphone-best smartphone in video recording
hi siri turn volume up. with assistance voice activated
_It’s probably your cord connected to the SSD the minimum transfer speed of a cord that you can use is no less than 10 Gb per second_
From what i am gathering, the iPhone is using a second-gen quad-pixel sensor - 48MP Sony IMX903 sensor, 1/1.14" sensor size, f/1.79 aperture. Quad" aka upscaled pixels at best it is a 12MP large pixel..with their internal processing, Apple is going to a great job especially for a consumer product. P.S the upcoming phones this fall ie Vivo x200, Xiaomi 15 pro etc all will use Sony IMX921 sensor which will be even better quality than the iPhone 16. Really exciting times for film makers
doesnt the xiaomi 14 ultra have a one inch sensor why is the video still worse?
@@smallpcgaming7279 Apple engineers do some magical things with their software and optimizing hardware.
Bro Sony phone is giving 4k 120fps from many years
But not that good tbh.
And it's ass. Same goes with flagship devices like Samsung. iphone has always been better when it comes to video recording
Sony still makes phones😂
Right 👍😊
I live in Botswana what can i do to find sameone like you....... i love filmmaker ...and a youtuber
Cables matter. A fast ssd doesn’t matter if you have a slow cable.
I don't think the cable is the issue, I found out that the SSD is super slow once the cache has filled up.
The angle on the cam. Its litlle bit down from fhe apple
I think you just bought the RED camera for so less, because they wanted to buy the iPhone 16 PM 😂
I'm watching on mbl which has 60fps display
good night futc :)
Haha thank you 😂 the 2AM upload might have been a mistake tho
Thank you
I'm a first time iphone user and git the 16 Pro Max... that included cable is garbage. The iPhone has processing going on while the Red is meant to allow the alterations to be in post.
Incrível parabéns!!!!
The guy has a 30k camera and can't spend 1k on a phone
Deserve a subscriber
Well down on the video
Well done 🎉
Bro dont use cover while doing heavy work because it generates a lot of heat that affects performance and efficiency
You probably need a faster cord, make sure you have the fastest usbc cord
Forget that camera i want your keyboard and i bet it sounds incredibly creamy ;p
It does 😉
It tastes incredibly creamy as well 😉