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Literally the only context I can think of where this doesn't set off red flags everywhere would be in some anime when someone has some superpower that literally lets them turn their love into mass and literally crush someone or some shit like that. If a villainous person says it? Creepy as all hell. If a "heroic" person says it? About 50 times worse.
If Music was a real person, this would leave her vulnerable to future abuse because she might associate “love” with being pinned down/hurt/denied autonomy.
It's pretty much gas lighting (if I have the term right). I can imagine that scenario where if he was the bad guy or a fraud looking after the autistic child of some naive parents, he would say that to cover up his abuse of her.
i feel extremely bad for maddie. sia is totally obsessed with her, and completely manipulated her into doing this movie, when she didn’t wanna do it in the first place because she didn’t want to hurt others.
Her growing obsession with her is creepy, god mother or not. not to mention her saying she won't make any art unless maddie is apart of it that's just manipulative. i wonder how she's dealing with all the backlash from the community as she didn't want to offend or make fun of anyone.
Unfortunately, Maddie has been used by most of the influential adults in her life. Her mother put her on Dance Moms, a TV show that had her in bad situations for “drama”, just so she (and of course the mom herself) could get famous. While on the show, she was further manipulated by Abby Lee, who clearly is a tyrannical nut job, and shouldn’t be in charge of children ever. Then Sia “saved her” from Abby Lee, and is doing the EXACT SAME THING. Using her for fame. Using her for extra attention and money. I don’t think this poor girl has ever gone a year in her life where someone wasn’t trying to use her to get their own attention, or make a profit.
The worst thing about the whole thing is that Maddie apparently came to her in tears concerned that people would think she was making fun of people with ASD and Sia convinced her it was fine. Even Maddie, on some level, knew this wasn’t right at the time.
@@icatfishedyourdad2767 that's sweet, I haven't seen this movie but I'm understanding it is very bad (I'm 31 y.o. autistic) but I will not talk bad about this girl now, knowing how she felt about it in the first place. I guess she did nothing wrong since it wasn't her idea and she even tried to say it. It's a job after all and she did her best.
Ableism aside for a second…is she *NOT* grooming that girl?! Everyone says narcissistic parent akin to Mother Gothel- kind of, but no. Mother Gothel left Rapunzel aallllll alone in her tower and only visited her to use her hair. That’s neglectful not indulgent. Rapunzel had to practically beg her to make her soup, and the only thing she’d bring her is paint. Not to mention this is a Disney movie, not real life. Sia has Maddie living across the street from her and they frequently have sleepovers *alone, in the same bed,* Sia is basically controlling her income since Maddie gets all/most of her roles from her, she’s trying to be a surrogate mother for Maddie’s arguably neglectful mother, the gifts, trips, obsessive interest/attention to her, just Google the signs of a groomer and it’s Sia. She didn’t even care when Maddie was noticeably and verbally upset with playing the character, Sia just wanted to do whatever she wanted with her. I wouldn’t be surprised if Maddie comes out speaking more about what went on with her relationship with Sia at some point/if she realizes that’s what was going on. At the very least it’s an incredibly toxic and codependent relationship. Poor Maddie just keeps being bounced around from abusive monster to abusive monster.
Gothel surprised Rapunzel with hazelnut soup the first time, then decided to make it again after she "saved" her from the Stabbington Brothers and Rapunzel "witnessed Flynn's betrayal", AND Rapunzel asked for new paint for her birthday as an excuse to get Gothel out of the tower so she could go and see the lanterns. Also, did Sia say anything about how she made Maddie live across the street from her or that it was a coincidence or something? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking.
It's sad too because she could've had such a promising career. She's incredibly talented, but was exploited by the adults around her and forced to be associated with trashy reality TV and the abomination that is this movie. They ruined her career to the point where she probably can't salvage it before she was even an adult. She basically hasn't done anything in the last few years, except one movie and the occasional social media appearance. I don't know whether it's due to burnout or humiliation, but either way it's sad.
@@bobw1678 why are you making ableism a political thing? what does this have to do with politics? why are you making our lives about politics? you suck.
The fact that Maddie was actually pretty scared that she was accidentally offending the autistic community with her acting when shooting this movie and cried at one point while Sia just brushed it off and said "it's fine" makes me feel bad for Maddie
I've been saying this for literally years- Sia's obsession with Maddie is pathological and unhealthy. Sleepovers in the same bed with an unrelated minor who depends on you for an income and for psychological validation are not okay. This is grooming. She wants Maddie to be totally dependent on her. I can't fathom how Melissa permits this to go on. They traded one monster for another.
How is this not a massive red flag of either a very inappropriate relationship or just outright grooming? Given most of celebrity culture though they won't call it out on their own without being a net positive to their internal political capital.
It's the level of posessiveness. It's the fact that Sia can't bear the thought of Maddie exploring her career potential on her own. Sia is literally controlling and manipulating Maddie's every single movement to keep possession of her. It's probably why she has "so many projects" for Maddie, just so she can't go off on her own.
It kinda seems weird to me (though I don't really know about either case) but that there having been so many problems when Michael Jackson had 'sleepovers' that Sia didn't think to not have them - Even just to protect herself. Historically things aren't great when an adult invites someone elses child for a sleepover with them. (I don't get it...)
@TheRealDavidm75 the only "ability" I get (not professionally diagnosed but likely have) is spinning in a chair is entertaining much longer than it should be
Sia: "I keep writing roles for her to keep her safe" *casts Maddie in an extremely controversial role and then picks fights with people about it on Twitter*
@@luisf2793 Is that a bad movie? It comes on the TV every now and then and I haven't seen it, but from the trailers on TV it seemed like a generic horror?
@@monochromedream-eatingbaku ohh trust me this movie is unbelievable bad, but generic is not how I would describe it. Also wouldn't call it a horror movie unless you're describing how horrible it is.
Sia: I keep writing roles for maddie to keep her safe this sounds like a toxic relationship where they're trying to isolate their partner so they don't ever leave them
That's exactly what it is. An adult having such an obsession with a teenager who isn't related to them is not an okay situation and is most definitely toxic.
She should let Maddie decide her own paths and let her have a choice.. it just feels like Maddie is being peer pressured by her.. I really don't want to say this cause I actually love Sia and Maddie relationship.. but this has gone too far..
I watched a few episodes of “Dance Moms” and Maddie went from one toxic relationship with Abbie Lee Miller to another one with Sia. And Maddie’s mother seems to be a pageant mom who has always desperately wanted her daughter in the spotlight, so I am believe she has played a role in enabling these relationships.
I’m autistic and I don’t blame Maddie for this. She’s a kid whose own mother has walked away from her to let Sia raise her instead. She has no one but Sia to guide her and I’m scared to read the book she’ll write about her life one day. I blame Sia. You hit the nail on the head. Autism is different for everyone and this feels like an offensive stereotype that tries to fantasize it and infantilize us.
I exclude Maddie from my hatred of Music and SIA because of her age at the time and the well known fact that most child and teen stars have very little control over their careers and are often forced to do things that they don’t want to do. She isn’t to blame for any of this mess. Her mother and SIA knew exactly what they were doing the entire time and never stopped once to think that maybe making Music was a colossal mistake.
Sia is completely obsessed over maddie she just forgets anything important that has to be researched and put on the movie, just for the sake of making her the most creepy objectified center of attention
@@emmahollow8898 are you stupid??? Autism is cognitive, it’s not their fault they don’t act the way you want them to... autistic people have a disability
@@xiyue-554 iilluminaughtii is a girl. There is A LOT wrong that she did so if you want a more in depth video, there are plenty of videos about her. iNabbler or SWOOP does a good job going into it. Reasons for her hate: -Hypocrisy (Example: Says she doesn't like slurs but then uses the 'R' word) -Plagiarism (Reads straight off the Wiki.) -Fragile Ego (She overreacts and acts like everyone is out to get her.) -Hermit (House looked like a hurricane went through it) -Tries to paint herself as a victim -Emotional manipulation of her ex and Friends (Oz, Wonder, The Click, OT, ect.) -Fake/baseless Allegations of one of her friends (The Click) being Ped0 defenders -pays 200$ to one of her employees to dig up her friend (The Click) saying a bad word OVER TEN YEARS AGO -Tries to paint her friend (Wonder) as irresponsible by bringing the dogs into it and a car that he had to live out of -Showing her friend's (Wonder's) Su!c!d3 note in her apology video -Financially manipulates her ex (Oz) into a contract by using his past trauma -Social Stalker (Could you not, she has been stalking their accounts through an ALT for years to spread lies as an outsider.) -Harassment (Remeber the fragile ego thing? Yeah she harassed a poor pregnant youtuber over asking if Lumi was citing her.) -Two faced (A youtuber snuck into her discord server and found her talking ish while trying to act sorry and being silent.) -Lawyer up (She sont all her friends and her ex a cease and disist letter, she is currently suing her ex.)
I hate how Sia said she instantly saved Maddie’s horrible life from “Dance Moms”, yet Maddie literally begged and cried not to do the part for this movie because she didn’t want to offend anyone. Poor Maddie😔💔
@Uma Li Goldman yea playing people with multiple personalities or autism has a super fine line and this movie crosses the line so much.I feel bad for maddie
14 year old Maddie crying and saying “I don’t want anyone to think I’m making fun of them” breaks my heart man. The entertainment industry really does not care about forcing children to do something they’re not comfortable with
@@spaghetti5914 I completely agree with you, two hours of research, one being googling and exploring various articles, autistic people in history, autistic people in the twenty-first century, REAL meltdown/breakdown videos and the other being sitting down with someone actually ON the autism spectrum to ask educated questions and ask if (x) way is a good way to depict that aspect in a movie is MORE than enough to know the basics of Autism. BUT. When you're an ADULT with a net worth of over twenty-five MILLION dollars with the resources to NOT ONLY recruit NUMEROUS autistic actors/actresses for roles, ESPECIALLY the ones where you're representing someone on the spectrum, and CONSULT OTHER people on the Autistic spectrum, but also SPEND THREE YEARS researching autism it is NOT enough to just "scrape the surface" of a disorder. You, as a director, and writer, are in charge of representing Autism correctly if your movie has an autistic character in it. Sia failed this one.
Just hang with _ANY_ person on the spectrum! You'll get more info than Sia, even if they're non-verbal! ESPECIALLY NON-VERBAL now that I think about it!
They could’ve made a movie about a movie about a recovering addict and alcoholic who has to take her of her younger sister,after their grandmother died, and instead of having the younger sister autistic, make her lash out because of grief and have music be her coping mechanism and what brings the sisters back together
Or how music struggles with being non verbal. Not being able to share how she feels in a genuine way makes her frustrated. She would work through that throughout the movie.
Or maybe make her autistic but don’t make it the main plot of the movie. Such as a recovering drug addicted who has to take care of her sister who happens to be autistic. But does it in a more realistic subtle way and doesn’t obsess over the fact she’s autistic
so, let me get this straight. sia supposedly "fired" another actor that was autistic because she was supposedly uncomfortable in the environment. yet maddie had multiple panic attacks and sobbed on set because she knew it was wrong, and yet sia forced her to do it..?
To make matters worse, there is ample evidence that the "original autistic actress" never existed and that Sia had always planned on casting Maddie Ziegler in the role.
@@epsilonalphaargo1948 if Sia is a male, people will suspect Sia being an obsessed predator. Anything about this makes Sia the same level as being the child predator pretending to be a warm person so that a child can trust them immediately.
@XOWavey yea, I feel uncomfortable when I saw that music video. The reaction I had on that is the same thing with ‘Cuties’ movie. It’s just so uncomfortable to use kids as a prop for this kind of manner. Sia’s obsession with Maddie is too unhealthy.
“Why didn’t you use a non-verbal autistic actress?” “Working with them was too stressful.” “…isn’t that a plot point in the movie you’re making? About how this person learns how to work with a nonverbal autistic in a productive and compassionate manner?” “Your point?”
As an autistic person myself, I can’t believe she would dare to call this crapfest a ‘love letter’ to the autistic community. This isn’t a love letter, it’s a flaming bag of dog shit and a hurtful note thrown into the autistic community’s backyard.
Maddie’s mum sold her to Abbie at a very young age, she just transferred that ownership to Sia. There is a reason Maddie’s dad wanted full custody of both girls when he divorced Melissa.
it makes me so sad because it’s kind of brushed off, because people associate grooming only with sexual favors and such, so when stuff like this happens nobody does anything.
Wait, so Sia, a grown woman, proclaimed herself to be a "surrogate mother" to a teen girl, whom she met when said girl was _11-years-old,_ practically bragged about being obsessed with her, controlled pretty much every aspect of her life and career, and had her live with in her home and _sleep in her bed._ How is this not a bigger deal? She publicly groomed a child and... everyone's cool with that?
Agreed!! I don’t think Sia intends any harm, but this is CREEPY and Sia holds a LOT of power over her right now with no foreseeable ending. Maddie’s in a really bad position.
@@chancematters This is something people need to understand more: just because an adult isn't a calculating, evil predator doesn't mean they can't have a really harmful relationship with a child. People can even use grooming tactics without realising that's what they're doing. Even if the adult doesn't realise what they're doing is wrong (because they're wrapped up in their own ego / emotionally immature / mentally unwell) that doesn't mean the child doesn't get hurt as a result. Other adults in their circle need to step in. It seems like Maddie should at least have an extended break away from Sia's influence and the chance to develop her own life and identity as a separate person before deciding how/if she wants that relationship to continue. Sia should also have a break away from Maddie to reflect on how she's been approaching this relationship and what she might need to do differently if they want to be close in a healthy way, because at the moment this whole situation is one big red flag, and as the adult this is Sia's responsibility.
@@shockofthenew I don’t like Sia but here I think it’s more mother daughter thing, because as far as I know Sia never had children, which made her “fall in love” with Maddie but she doesn’t understand that she is not her child and that her actions are in fact grooming, it’s sad and scary at the same time
At this point, I don’t think Sia thinks of Maddie as a human being. She just thinks of her as a doll she can play with and manipulate however she wants.
A total object for her to control and love bomb. It's creepy and gross. Especially considering she has slept in bed with her. Make Sia a dude and there would be pitchfork mobs
That's why I was getting Frank Farian and Milli Vanilli vibes from this, because it's like how Frank Farian pressured Rob & Fab into lip-syncing to other people's vocals.
@@angeline808 I'm definitely not the first to say this but I will repeat that Sia has known Maddie for a good chunk of Maddie's life-- plucking her out of relative obscurity (we know she and Jojo Siwa were on Dance Moms, but outside of that, Maddie wasn't known for much else before Sia) because Sia decided that this child was her muse! There is absolutely a power dynamic in their relationship favoring Sia, and it's gross and troubling how Sia used Maddie. Even though Maddie has never spoken about any abuse she might have been on the receiving end of, with the kind of relationship they had-- I don't even know if you'd call it professional since the vibe I get from Sia is that she sees Maddie as a daughter as well as her muse, something might've been going on. I've always had an issue with the idea of people being "muses" in art, but it waves so many red flags when a grown ass adult (regardless of gender) is like, "Yes! This literal child is my muse! She inspires me to create my art!"
Sia seems like the kind of person in high school that would say the nicest things when they see developmentally disabled kids, then try her best not to giggle and snort when one of her friends calls those kids the r-slur
A little girl hanging with a full grown adult, sleep-overs, 'keeping her safe' and her micro-managing her career??? excuse me, why aren't we talking about this???
@@babyrose7830 I don't understand how people like you can take one word and focus on that specific word. If you don't realize why this is wrong then...wow. And we all know that people can be friends regardless of their age it's the way Sia is coming off.
No I understand why Sia comes off as potentially predatory - her obsession with Maddie is strange, wether sexual or not, she should back off a little and give her some space. I don’t think it’s healthy for any random lady to come along and play the mother role when she already has a mother, and then being obsessive ontop of that. I was reffering mainly to the commenter saying that “a minor hanging out with a grown woman” is a problem. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean the whole comment in general, should’ve pointed that out but i was exhausted
I really don't like when Sia talks about "falling in love with someone's purity", considering she cast and lived in a house with a 14 year old girl from down the street.
@@Anonymous_Gambito it seems like women creepers often easily slip through people's radars because their creepy and unhealthy obsession with purity seems to be often mistaken for being "motherly"
@@almond3066 Remember when a woman that made a show for kids made a horrifically pedophilic comment fantasising about a boy that she saw and how.... She wanted to confront him but his dad was there? And how a few people saw it as "a joke"!? Like actually what the fuck- I seriously need to find the video about it but i swear IT WAS REAL!
@@MLGAllan65 I remember that! that was the creator of the show "twelve forever" that said that. She followed some teenaged boy around at some amusement park ALL DAY It was super weird and creepy
why? if someone is making a movie about any particular topic i don’t find it unreasonable to ensure that person either has experience of their own or has thoroughly researched it. obvs we’re not going to police who can makes movies but sia is a prime example of why
It breaks my heart that Maddie Ziegler was so worried to the point of tears about offending the autistic community before the release of the movie and then it actually ended up coming true. Yall, please have grace and understand she didn't mean any harm and that she's literally just a 14 year old kid. Sia on the other hand, yikes...
@@yogurt2317 production started in 2015, which would make her 13-14 at the time. If she cried to Sia about her fear of her misrepresenting what someone with autism is like, this is a clear indicator that she sensed something wrong about the way Music was portrayed. This is just my guess of what happened, but given the circumstance, she naturally trusted Sia when she told her that she wasn't doing anything wrong. Plus Sia is also a bit of a mentor figure so Ziegler probably felt some form of pressure to stay in the project
@@yogurt2317 did you not watch the video at all? Or do a simple Google search? She was 14-15 when production started. She could’ve been easily manipulated because she was a child.
Most in the Autistic community including myself don't judge Maddie. We judge Sia who is the one who caused harm. Maddie was a minor and many of us recognize this! Especially since Maddie did recognize how messed up the performance is and Sia still forced her to do it.
When I was twelve or so, I wrote a cringey poem about a friend's disabled cousin thinking I was deep. My sister told me not to give it to the father, and thank God I was too shy to go through with it. This reminds me of that poem - ignorant, self-righteous, and inherently flawed. At least I was a dumb kid who kept it to myself.
I hope you saved it. Wonderful to be able to look back and cringe at ourselves. Also great for our continued humility. And IF you have saved it- now that you've given appropriate context, you should definitely share it in a reply for all our benefit. :p
Yeah no their relationship is very creepy. The fact that even Maddie could tell that the perfomance was going to come off as mockery and Sia just kinda said "nah, it'll be fine" and pressured her to do it is just wrong. And just their whole relationship is weird af. Edit: Even if it's a mother daughter dynamic it's still toxic especially with the huge power imbalance.
Maddie's a smart kid, plenty of youth are more aware now than ever about the struggles minorities face, I'd say it's common sense on her part to feel uncomfortable with the movie. Sia's just.... INSANELY stupid.
@@millamilla123 It can depend, I guess. When I was around 4-8 years old I would have sleepovers with a friend of my family (she was like 20), and nothing weird or wrong happened. At least in my eyes, there's nothing weird.
Best part is, Maddie knew autistic people were going to think she was mocking them. She already knew she wasn't the best person for the role and yet Sia pushed her into it anyway.
Not only that… she was continually talked INTO the role…. She was terrified of offending someone …. Wasn’t sure what she was doing was right… Sia was even quoted saying she wouldn’t ever create again UNLESS she could work with Maddie…. Can you imagine the pressure that puts on a young adult/kid?
The movie was really just made for inspiration porn and the "poor caregivers of these dumb disabled people 🥺🥺🥺" Those are the vibes I got: autistic people are all dumb and childlike and "inanimate objects like wigs" and the 'caregivers' are the poor underrepresented people who need people to bow down and worship their sacrifice
Honestly some autistic adults are loud but generally if you're loud and autistic you're a kid and haven't learned how to control your volume levels. Now i mean with general autism but being on spectrum is different you could be on the autism spectrum and have aspergers syndrome which is different as far as behavior. With autistic ppl they are normally pretty quiet as teenagers and adults, due to there intense sensory issues. This is specifically regarding high functioning autism, i don't have a ton of experience with low functioning or different things on the spectrum. Anyway this is absolutely horrific.
omg it was so difficult to watch and i was literally hitting my ears like crazy just trying to watch it. i couldnt even watch it all the way because i started panicking.
What also is bad with the restraint scenes is that a lot of the neurodivergent people I know, including myself, are sensitive to touch. I myself view touch as an intimate thing because of my sensitivity to it, touch is a thing only given to those I trust and love, like close friends and family. But even then, I don't think I'll let any of them hold me down like this, and I would be MORE stressed out than anything. What makes it even more worse is that they talked loudly to explain what's going on, when you shouldn't do that, because that will just make the person more stimulated. A better way to show those scenes is to first show that Music is comfortable with touches from the two characters. Something light and easy like her slightly leaning on their shoulder or holding their hand. Then, when she's having an attack, have them ask what's going on and gently grab Music's hand as a way for her to get a stable point. Even then, this isn't recommended, but it's still a lot better than what they showed. If you still want to include those squishes, then show what things are very much an active danger for Music. If she's moving very rapidly and unpredictably in a tight room, then have them mention (again, in a quieter voice) that she could hit her head violently on a wall. That's probably the only time you could do something like this to someone having an attack, when they can be an active danger to themselves and there's no other thing you can do.
And here's the thing, for some people that are sensitive to touch (for example me) another person simulating pressure can still be a positive experience that can help regulate stimuli. IF. ITS. DONE. WITH. CONSENT. Which music very much did not give. Even then it's not really something that would help when im dealing with full on sensory overload just something to help me regulate when im approaching sensory overload.
Sia controlling Maddie's entire career gives off huge narcissistic parent vibes. "You're too naïve and clueless to make your own decisions, so I have to make them all for you! I'm not controlling you, I'm protecting you! You should be eternally grateful for everything I've done for you!"
The thing is, her admitted over-interest in Maddie Ziegler is weird. If she were an older man, it would be alarm bells everywhere, but women can be predators too. The fact that she admitted to “writing projects just to keep her safe”, couldn’t you just replace the word “safe” with “close”? Then she’s calling Maddie’s mom, inserting herself in her career... idk this story is bizarre. Also- did I hear somewhere that she had Maddie for a sleepover IN THE SAME BED?? If I were her parent my alarm bells would be screaming. In show business, predators are everywhere, and they can be anyone. It’s a sad reality.
She had her dancing in a nude bathing suit to a song about getting wasted and dance with a grown man in next to nothing, filmed both things then put them out in public for EVERYONE in the WORLD to see. And we all know that once something is on the internet it is basically there until the end of time. That's not something most parents would want for their child. It was completely inappropriate and inconsiderate to how Maddie may feel about that once she is old enough to have her own life. Imagine if that was you. Not surprised she's still using Maddie today as her toy and tool. It's totally grooming. Her saying she does it to keep her 'safe' is really meaning to keep her under her control. As someone who was groomed at 20 by an older man, I can say it is extremely damaging. I can't imagine how it would have affected me if I had been a minor. I wish Maddie the best in her life so that she may make her own decisions. Sorry, just had to rant since it really bothers me. Not trying to attack anyone here.
The restraint scenes are absolutely terrible. If someone restrained me like in the movie, it would NOT make me feel safe. If anything it would make me feel even more unsafe and I would be freaking out.
@@arkham_miami maybe not grooming, but extremely manipulative. "I don't want to make any art without her in it" is especially what makes it feel that way. Essentially "without Maddie, I'd stop making art" would put the blame on Maddie if Maddie were to ever leave her.
She wanted to make a movie about herself. She sees herself as a misunderstood, suffering, genius, artistic werido. "Oh, that's just like those autistic people isn't it? Plus this will be a great role for this girl I have a creepy relationship with, because it's actually about me, and I'm great!"
@@MiniMia48 Same. When I have both of my eyes open, my eyesight is fine, but my left eye is blurry when it’s the only eye I’m using while the right one is fine.
As someone who is nonverbally autistic, I feel insulted as well!!! I have acted plenty of time before, and was actually a pretty well known person in my drama club. I feel bad for Maddie D;
As an autistic person, I think I'm ok with non-autistic people playing autistic characters, as long as they do it justice. This, is not that. Obviously not Maddie's fault, I think she was pressured into doing it, but this movie is a complete disaster. Edit, in 2022, New Years: This is the most liked comment I’ve ever posted. 14k and rising, thank you all! Hilariously I think more people like this video than the movie itself.
Agreed, I am autistic too and I would rather the role go to the person who is most qualified to play it via audition. If that person happens to be autistic themselves, fantastic! If they're not, but they do the role justice and portray it accurately, also fantastic! Now, if there is blatant discrimination against an autistic actress/actor without giving them a chance to audition, that's different.
On this note what does everyone think of the portrayal of the autistic character in “The Good Doctor” series (either the Asian version or western one)?
Did none of the interviewers call Sia out on her unhealthy relationship with Maddie, where she openly admits to controlling her and rely on her? Sia is just sitting there, talking about how she stops Maddie from taking jobs she doesn't like or approve of, and how she writes her projects for Maddie to "protect her", and how she won't work without Maddie. Like, one of the interviewers must have called her out on it... right?
@@talynhastime9343 I can understand not calling her out on the blatant pedohebephilia, but not even the other stuff? Like, she doesn’t get the “she’s her mother” pass, or at least she shouldn’t, but does what anyone would notice as sexual abuse when committed by a man somehow wrap around so that people view everything else as normal?
most interviewers will only touch on what the interviewees allow them to. Right now there are no active allegations for Sia and Maddie so they can't ask them questions like that without slander. But they can bring it up and allow others to speculate.
Am I the only one DEEPLY unsettled by the way Sia talks about Maddie? “My little dancing muse”, “sleepovers?” If Sia was a man she would have been cancelled at BEST. I know Maddie’s an adult now and I don’t wanna make accusations but any adult THAT obsessed with a child, especially when it’s not their own, is at the very least weird.
About that... A lot of people did get angry at Maddie, It's just that if you do about 10 minutes of research You find out how misplaced that hate is. So everyone who knows tries to redirect the narrative So that Maddie doesn't become the scapegoat.
"Autistic people are too delicate and emotional to handle the stress of being involved with my film!" said the neurotypical woman as she continued to type rage-tweets to anyone who disagreed with her.
Imagine insisting that you really did try to cast an autistic actor in the role when you're on record - as in a literal recording - saying that you wrote the script specifically as a vehicle for Maddie and you don't want to ever do a single project without her being involved. Definitely a Stable Genius level move.
She's definitely grooming Maddie, not in a sexual way but they quarantined together, had sleepovers and even slept in the same bed?! Nope. Nope nope nope. And I feel so sorry for Maddie, she cried and didn't wanna make fun of them but that witch probably made her.
Yep, grooming can be about emotional relationships or out of a want to control them. Sia is 100% having a power trip over Maddie and I feel so bad for her. I don't blame the actors for any of this, none of them. Sia was the man in charge, she chose to work with autism speaks, she chose to work with an actor not on the spectrum, she made all of the problems on this film and her response on twitter is truly disgusting. I hope Maddie the best and that she able to get away for Sia, because she really needs it.
Dick_Clown_trender she’s def a narcissist to nearly comic proportions. I mean, she appears in her own movie as a savior figure attempting to bring pain meds to the children of Haiti
That's what I think. I've seen some people say it isn't grooming because it may not be sexual but still, it's creepy. I mean, if you cut down the story into its simplest form: a 40-year-old woman went out of her way to invite a teenager into her bed - it doesn't sound harmless anymore.
@@tultsi93 didn’t she also write and sing a song for the My Little Pony Friendship is Magic movie too? That whole series is known for being full of music and songs.
Literally! I'm all for women looking out for other women, but listening to the way she talked about maddie made my skin crawl. She openly admitted to her desire to shape maddie's world and keep her "safe" by only doing stuff that she approves of. It doesn't help that she directly refers to maddie as her "muse"; the word "muse" has romantic connotations behind it, so it's reaaaaally sus that she used that specific word instead of something more neutral like "inspiration" or something
@Alice Skies regardless of what you think, it doesn't take much to see that Sia's relationship with Maddie is unhealthy. She exerts a concerning amount of control over Maddie's life and decisions and has openly admitted the depth of which she depends on Maddie (such as that she wouldn't make anything if it didnt involve maddie, that she strives to make things specifically for maddie). Sia appears to be concerningly dependent on Maddie, a CHILD. While I personally don't think she's molested Maddie, their relationship doesn't seem to be healthy and it appears that Sia is ignorant of the amount of influence she exerts over maddie's life
@Alice Skies she literally made a movie that was a caricature of the people she supposedly wants to represent and, even more so, was unwatchable by said community and conveyed dangerous ideas, such as the idea that the correct way to handle a meltdown physically pin a person to the ground. I would be more sympathetic if it wasn't obvious that she put minimal effort into ensuring that the community she was trying to represent was represented faithfully and in a way that accurately represents their lives. Obviously, it's impossible to represent every member of the austism community, but making a character composed of a crude amalgamation of various behaviors that doesnt accurately represent anybody is not the way to go. Plus, she teamed up with autism speaks! Even a cursory google search will bring up some pretty suspicious looking stuff and discussions of how harmful of an organization it is. Intentions are an important consideration when judging someone's actions, but we cant ignore the actual consequences. Yes, Sia meant well, but that doesn't erase the harmful messages she spread about austistic individuals through this movie and her hostile responses following it. And as a famous person who puts herself in the public eye, she is not immune to criticism from others. Nobody is immune from the judgement of others, especially when they have done something that is harmful to others
around the 20:28 mark when Sia is talking about "we're here because we care about the autism community" blah blah blah and you can see Leslie Odom Jr. trying so hard to not look dead behind the eyes :-(
I'm just sayin if Sia was a guy she'd be labeled a groomer and their relationship called toxic/abusive, and they wouldn't be wrong, I hope Maddie is safe.
EXACTLY. as soon as i saw the "caretaker" who was an ex addict i thought that she was a projection of s*a herself, and the whole "maddie as a daughter but she needs her 24/7" fits in with some of the grooming that people are speculating is going on between sia and maddie.
sia’s relationship with maddie is so,..weird and uncomfortable but thank u for including it. i saw alot of people blaming maddie despite the fact that she was a literal kid obviously being manipulated by a close adult figure
@@lgbtqiarights Since it was filmed in 2017 Maddie was around 16 then probably so yeah, while not a kid still young enough to not quite realize this adult woman is obsessed with her and grooming her and then stepped in to keep her from a role while also making her do something she felt not comfortable doing (aka Music). (I realize now the video says 14 at time of filming so even worse)
as an autistic person, music reminds me more of these bullies i faced in school who ‘acted autistic’ to mock me 💀 i’m also in pure shock with how this movie depicted deep pressure therapy. you NEVER slam someone onto the ground and crush them like that. especially if they’re having a meltdown, that’s genuinely insane
as an autistic person, the teeth over the lips, the wide eyes and widening nostrils, the moving hands and other body parts in odd ways - seeing this on maddie ziegler, a neurotypical person, hurts SO deeply. no allistic person understands what stimming and that type of body language feels like for an autistic person and seeing it mocked is so upsetting
I read that even Maddie didn’t want to do this, that she broke down crying on set because she realizes how offensive her portrayal was. But it was Sia’s fault, she forced her to play this role against her will. As an autistic person, I feel sorry for Maddie, she really didn’t want to do this.
I would recommend watching Temple Grandin (in case you haven't seen it before) Claire Danes (event hough she's neurotypical) gives a great performance and her performance shows great respect for the life of Dr. Grandin and the real life Dr. Grandin
as an autistic person, ive never felt more offended by sia's interpretation of my disorder. no, it can't even be called an interpretation. it's just that horribly god-awful.
I hate how I can just see her being so happy for the "repersentation" and "help" she provided to what she probably saw as a group of "poor, suffering people". So many movies about disabled people are just full of the atmosphere that the person making them thought that making a movie full of ofensive steryotypes about a disorder made them some sort of saviour. It's disgusting. She felt people would lick her feet with how greatful they would be, and when they were offended instead, she went off the deep end.
The fact that she’s telling autistic people to watch a movie that could cause sensory issues while claiming she’s researched autism is just really infuriating
She didn’t know those obvious things about autism showing that despite of what she said she did no research at all which makes her incompetent or she did know about those things but she didn’t care which makes her ignorant, either way she sucks
@@BigHailFan if she was autistic she would have realized how messes up her work was from the start she would have felt uncomfortable while making it, she taught Maddie how to make the sounds and the stims and it looked awful so she definitely didn’t make a good job because it didn’t come naturally to her as it would for someone who’s autistic, if Sia was autistic she would have said it years before the movie was released because “an autistic person is making a movie about autism” sounds better than “a neurotypical person who has an autistic friend is making a movie about autism”, and even if she is in the spectrum it only makes her case even worse, HOW IGNORANT YOU HAVE TO BE TO MAKE AN INSULTING AND PATRONIZING REPRESENTATION OF YOUR OWN GROUP?!?
As an autistic person, this movie made me go “ew.” I feel so so bad for Maddie. She seems like such a nice girl I would love to be friends with who understands what she was forced to do was wrong.
right like maddie pls get out of there 🙁 poor girl didn’t even wanna do it, she literally cried because she didn’t want people to think she was mocking them 😔
I always thought Sia was autistic and masking, but as the artist she truly is as the chosen mask. Being in that world of autism people are going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise. I felt as if "music" might be what she suppresses. If that is true she should be bold enough to say it if she is bold enough to make a movie about it. I also thought she made Maddie Ziegler to be a little Sia. Isn't that clear? Am I missing something? Now I haven't seen the movie and because of that I can't and won't take what this review says as fact. I also don't follow Sia or Maddie that much, but it always seemed to me like Sia's music was the cry of her heart and Sia always hid and let "Maddie" be who she really and actually was behind the masking. If Sia is autistic, and honestly I am shocked to see the above video not saying that she is, I always thought she was, then isn't this movie her feeling on herself in a way? Her finding her voice through music? Right or wrong, that's what art is, expression of ones own thoughts to be shared with others in a creative way. Even the quote on it not being ablism as much as it was... I don't know, that quote felt taken out of context to make another point and assumed direction that was beyond biased. So are people canceling her art, her thoughts, or autistic her for not being the right way as an autistic person? I am not even saying Sia knows what to do or that she is doing the right thing. My point is she clearly pours herself into what she creates so that's why she takes this as a personal attack. Autistic or not SIA IS MUSIC. Healthy or not she protects Maddie in the way she wished someone would have protected her. We can't clear up this stuff. God clear it up and help innocent or well meaning people not to be harmed. Forgive us all for the many times we screw up and don't know how to handle ourselves.
She acts like nonverbal people can’t express themselves, my school gave nonverbal students tablets that did text to speech and they were all perfectly able to communicate their thoughts
My oldest has a tablet. And the app he uses is a shameful $300 but it works. He can ask for things, they're still working on him expressing himself when he gets upset, and also answering "who what when" questions. But they can! He can! It's a ton of work for him, but I'm so proud of him for doing it.
From my understanding, they have a speech tablet for Music in this movie but for some reason it's extremely, extremely basic and doesn't allow Music to truly express herself. This makes sense as a directorial choice because let's face it, 'Music' is not about understanding the character Music or understanding autism. Music is just a backdrop to Kate Hudson's character development, she's literally treated only as a prop.
@@Kesha102tik LAMP words for life, though your cousins school probably will do a "trial " period with a whole bunch of different tools and see which one is good for them. That said, my son has had great success with lamp
I’m not autistic, but I met an autistic girl once while I was in a psych ward. She was covered in bruises, head to toe. Any silver of skin that she showed was purple. I learned two things from Jessica. One, autistic people are fucking strong. At one point, the hospital I was at put me and Jessica in a room together. She was mostly non verbal, and when she did speak all she would say is “Florida” and things about animals. I thought she was harmless to me, I was very very wrong. She ended up getting a bit overstimulated and she ended up having an episode and clocked me right in the shoulder. Second, she taught me a lot about humanity. The nurses, to get Jessica to calm down during her episodes, would tell her that she was going home, she was going to get to see her mom again. That was a lie.
@@Charl._.s1ms unfortunately, Jessica will never be able to differentiate the truth from lies. She will keep believing them, no matter what. Because it’s what she hopes, that it’s true, that she will go home
I have a bad feeling that Maddie will have a difficult adulthood hopefully it does not lead to addiction or death. She's extremely talented. Having said, I have a bad feeling that _Dancing Moms_ and her work with Sia excluding MUSIC will not age well. _Chandelier_ is a beautiful song and video. Let's hope the best for Maddie and hoping she could get a restraining order from working with Sia ever again.
It's a terrifying awful feeling to have a creepy obsession with someone... that's stalking. I know that, we all know that. Humans are humans, they need space.
It's sad how this is what a lot of people think about autism, even doctors sometimes. It's so shitty. People are not a list of symptoms. You have to actually see them and listen to them and talk to them to understand what they're like. Folks don't even stop to think how these "symptoms" actually affect our lives. For instance, I have never seen an autistic character in which the whole "can't tell when people are lying" thing actually makes them LESS trusting of people or paranoid. Ya know why? Because no one ever _thinks_ about it.
To all the future filmmakers and the ones that are working right now if you’re going to make a story about the artistic character get artistic people to help you or write it because Nortypical people can show a proper perspective even if they try really hard so if you want a accurate and good representation of us on the autistic spectrum get autistic riders producers actors and anyone else that is autistic because the best way to show the perspective of someone in a marginalised community is to get people from the marginalised community to write act and tell or help with the story
@ I completely understand where you’re coming from example I am autistic and I am really don’t know much about it but that’s mainly because I only been told for about a couple of years now I was just putting out my personal opinion so yeah hope I didn’t upset you
theory: sia's fantasy is being an autism mom, thats why she casted maddie as the autistic person, made all the promotion about her, and then only gave depth to the neurotypical people who had to take care of her
That’s where Autism Speaks fits like a fucking glove. This movie is about perpetuating pity for those who have to suffer through supporting an autistic person. That’s why it’s easy for Sia to say “we made this with love for the autistic community” - because AS puts caregivers at the center of the autistic community and actual autistic people at the periphery. It almost makes sense how she was able to delude herself into believing this was what the community wanted, as long as she was only paying attention to a fraction of the community.
I never understood the media’s desire to portray autism as this whimsical, childlike state where those who have it are just these innocent beings who can’t understand the complexities of the outside world. It just seems so patronizing! I have a friend who has autism, but you would never guess that he does if he passed by on the street. He’s an everyday Joe who likes old cars. The only way you could maybe tell is that sometimes he’ll miss a social cue. The only way I found out is because he told me in passing while we were playing a party game, and that was only after we became friends. And, yes, obviously Music has a much worse condition than my friend, but the point is that nonverbal autism is only a portion of the overall community. So when the media constantly harps on the more severe cases of it, it just becomes annoying to sit through. And I can’t imagine people who do have cases as bad as this feel any better, especially since it isn’t even portrayed correctly. Autism impacts the nervous system, impairing the ability to communicate or interact to varying degrees, but it’s not fuckin acid! Shit like this just comes off as demeaning, and I pretty guarantee he would make fun of it if we were to watch it!
I honestly feel so bad for Maddie for being forced into this position. Sia can say she had “final say” but we all know that under that kind of pressure from someone important to us we wouldn’t feel comfortable saying no
Creepy abusive people will always act like the people that are dependent on them can "talk openly about everything" but the moment their victims open their mouth they are talked down, gaslit and just treated with extreme condescension until they give up. Sia strikes me as a person manipulating everyone around her until only the people feeding her with praise are left.
One day, when Maddie is no longer with SIA, there will be interviews and books about how creepy and weird shit is. If SIA was a man, no one would tolerate this kind of shit.
I think it would be creepy if maddie was a boy or if it was a man and a girl. It makes a little more sense that maddie would be her protege. Not saying that their relationship isn't inappropriate
When they said “She’s incapable of change” I think what they meant was “Her autism isn’t something to be “cured” “It’s part of who she is” They really should’ve have phrased that better 😬
Even though the movie had Autism Speaks, an organisation that researches looking for a cure for autism (eugenics as it's referred to in the search engine), consulted for it. That's why Autism Speaks uses a puzzle piece for its logo.
@@מעין-צ9ג except she did "three years of research" working on a whole ass movie without realizing how harmful Autism Speaks is. Something that took me a few days since realizing I might be autistic, but I didn't actively look them up, instead TH-cam recommended me a video by one of autistic creators who talk about autism related subjects
@@Kasiarzynka I wasn't defending her or them just pointing out they weren't on the production. She's ableist enough herself it's fine no need to Blane them for this it was all her
I can kinda see why Sia wanted to hide half her face for a while, unfortunately seeing her talk about this music, full expressions - makes her way less likable when you actually see her as a regular ass person, not this “mystery artist” (I mean she only started wearing the insane wigs once she was skyrocketed into stardom, so a lot of folks didnt know she was pretty popular beforehand. She seemed likable back then, she didnt have an art slave)
Except mother knows best is an actual banger. After Sia’s music (And learning that she is an ableist, child groomer and hypocrite), none of Sia’s songs are bangers.
Sia as the adult in the situation promised Maddie no one would be offended when she expressed concern, as if, that’s something she could promise about anything let alone something this controversial. Honestly Maddie is a victim. She handled the situation about as well as she could have.
It doesn’t have to be sexual for someone to groom kids. This obsession with being Maddie’s “bonus mom” is reeeeaaally disturbing. Maddie’s parents really need to keep her far away from sia as possible
It definitely seems like Maddie is being groomed. My heart broke even more when I found out she was on Dance Moms. That poor girl has been through so much. No child deserves this.
Dude! You took the exact words out of my mouth! She is being groomed! Sia is doing exactly what she claims she's protecting Maddie from, honestly Maddie should drop Sia completely if not give it some space, this not healthy at all. I'm a bit grossed out to be honest 🤢🤮
Frankly, the teeth-over-the-lips portrayal was reminiscent for me of Amanda Bynes’ sketch show on Nickelodeon where she would portray a mentally damaged hillbilly.
bro some kids at my hs pretend to have tourette’s but they only do it when they remember they supposedly have it, but we can’t say anything abt it cuz then we’d get yelled at
@@olivialebron5087 if you really think they’re faking (as someone with a tic disorder) ignore their tics completely cuz they’re doing it for attention. Give them no attention and eventually they will stop trying. This way if they’re not faking then no one is harmed
You’ve got to be kidding me. I don’t have autism, but I have experienced breakdowns in the past. What type of parent would film and PUBLICLY POST videos of their own children in immense distress?? That pisses me off.
I have autism, and if I remember well, my mom took videos of my breakdowns when I was a kid because my doctor told her to? Still kinda insulting, if I'm being honest
No parent can avoid making mistakes, especially when they are completely lost about what they have to do. Parents of autistic children can be more lost than any parent with "normal" child, often even more than with other special conditions as lake of communication can be pretty strong with ASD. I don't know where is the boundary between toxicity, simple desperate mistake, cry for help... it's very hard to tell, IMO this is a matter of case by case evaluation.
It always creeps me out when people are obsessed with the idea of "purity". I know it's unfounded, but it always gives me pedovibes when I hear people glorify purity
Without context, I fully agree with you. However, it really comes down to the reason it's being praised. For example, a person could be referring to racial purity, genetic purity, purity of perception, or many different forms of purity which have nothing to do with sexual purity, but even that isn't inherently a bad thing. Purity, regardless of form, is something that can never be recovered once it's lost, which makes it precious. A glass of pure water is ruined once a speck of dust lands in the water. Although you could theoretically filter the dust out, the water itself has been affected by the mere presence of the dust, and it will never regain its prior status as a pure glass of water. This is actually one of the problems that the NSDAP ran into when they implemented the Nuremberg Laws. Because of the lack of racial purity, they ended up authorizing Reich Citizenship to be given to people who had up to 50% jewish blood. If it was that hard to find purity in the mid 1930s, just imagine how much harder it is today. However, I do believe that this Sia character may indeed have the potential to become a pedophile, if she is not already. That bit about sharing a bed with a child was seriously crossing the line.
@@marybutler9250 I suppose it is quite a controversial topic, even if unnecessarily so. That said, I'm not going to stand on a soapbox and attempt to convince you that I am correct and that you are wrong. No, I believe that everybody should look at the facts, consider the evidence, and draw their own conclusions. If you decide to look further into this matter, I assure you it will be interesting.
Yeah like i am autistic and if someone would say im "pure" i would think something like "what the actual fuck just shut up" (And im not pure to make that clear)
@@midnightshadow1491 by trying to show how there's nice ways of 'purism worship' you just furthered our argument. The idea of purity could be represented in other terms... innocence, naivety... The idea of purity, of a 'natural, original state' we should return to is so stupid (specially 'cause it has no connection to factual reality). Your examples have just shown us that any type of necro-cult of purity points to a fucked up mindset...
“Crushing her with my love” sounds like what Sia is doing to Maddie. It’s messed up. Sia is a groomer and doesn’t want to find new supply as a narcissistic personality.
@@popsicIes Influcing a person with demonstrates of love and attention. Overwhelming the person with it. It can be used both negatively and positively. In this case it is negative.
@@popsicIes Love bombing is often what abusive people/bad friends/emotionally manipulative family do after hurting someone, too (thier feelings, thier other relationships, thier things, even physically)- they suddenly are super apologetic, super nice and overly thoughtful, maybe buying you something they normally wouldn't, in order to win your forgiveness OR get something from you they wanted, or to simply keep you around when you start pulling away because you are noticing thier poor treatment of you. As soon as they get what they want they stop. It can last hours or even months. It's never a good sign.
Something I like to say is that the movie industry thinks that labels are character traits. They're not. A gay person is still a person. An autistic person is still a person. There's more to us than just labels. Source: I'm autistic with a gay brother who are both tired of seeing these tropes in media.
@A Zee Unfortunately, the more natural route is far less common because it requires these things called subtlety and respect, and tact. Things that are very rare among modern writers.
Gonna have to disagree, only leftist pandering material treats gays as being 100% gay tropes. Plenty of media shows gay men as actual real people who happen to be gay (supernatural has at least a couple episodes showing this). Lefties are the ones who think sexuality is a personality trait
@@jamesduncan6729 Was a bit surprised to see you mention Supernatural of all things lol. I'm pretty sure lots of queer people are on the left, so if there are shows that have a non-realistic portrayal of gay people, it would be corporate companies trying to cash grab by pandering to their targeted audience (ahem, Disney, ahem). I've watched a lot of movies outside of Hollywood that has excellent queer portrayal, and only some of it has something to do with politics.
@@jamesduncan6729 I’m also surprised you specifically bring up supernatural because out of all the decent or pretty good portrayals of queer people in movies and tv shows, I wouldn’t consider it really even having any. I suppose it does sort support gay people and it’s a step above some other shows? But considering how it ended and just, everything about it, it’s not the example I’d choose.
@@kaykeunil yeah, I don't watch "queer content." Nobody talks or behaves like me (y'know, a normal guy who just happens to like guys) I only mentioned that show because I've seen a few episodes and one included a gay couple that just looked like normal guys. No dumb lisps, no fruity obnoxious voice.
I am really concerned about Maddie's mental health. She's been taught and possibly forced to almost completely rely on Sia (or so it seems) and this has been going on for years.
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@@iamnotgonnagiveyoumyname1373 is that sarcasm/irony
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The "I'm crushing you with my love" is such a massive red flag in like ALL the situations imaginable
@Joshua Cline Or maybe stalked or emotionally smothered.
Literally the only context I can think of where this doesn't set off red flags everywhere would be in some anime when someone has some superpower that literally lets them turn their love into mass and literally crush someone or some shit like that.
If a villainous person says it? Creepy as all hell.
If a "heroic" person says it? About 50 times worse.
@@youtube-kit9450 Or it's two kids playing together and Kid A says it jokingly to Kid B.
If Music was a real person, this would leave her vulnerable to future abuse because she might associate “love” with being pinned down/hurt/denied autonomy.
It's pretty much gas lighting (if I have the term right). I can imagine that scenario where if he was the bad guy or a fraud looking after the autistic child of some naive parents, he would say that to cover up his abuse of her.
i feel extremely bad for maddie. sia is totally obsessed with her, and completely manipulated her into doing this movie, when she didn’t wanna do it in the first place because she didn’t want to hurt others.
Her growing obsession with her is creepy, god mother or not. not to mention her saying she won't make any art unless maddie is apart of it that's just manipulative. i wonder how she's dealing with all the backlash from the community as she didn't want to offend or make fun of anyone.
And convinced her to not take another opportunity because she felt it wasn't right for her... seriously controlling behaviour!
Unfortunately, Maddie has been used by most of the influential adults in her life. Her mother put her on Dance Moms, a TV show that had her in bad situations for “drama”, just so she (and of course the mom herself) could get famous.
While on the show, she was further manipulated by Abby Lee, who clearly is a tyrannical nut job, and shouldn’t be in charge of children ever.
Then Sia “saved her” from Abby Lee, and is doing the EXACT SAME THING. Using her for fame. Using her for extra attention and money.
I don’t think this poor girl has ever gone a year in her life where someone wasn’t trying to use her to get their own attention, or make a profit.
The worst thing about the whole thing is that Maddie apparently came to her in tears concerned that people would think she was making fun of people with ASD and Sia convinced her it was fine. Even Maddie, on some level, knew this wasn’t right at the time.
@@icatfishedyourdad2767 that's sweet, I haven't seen this movie but I'm understanding it is very bad (I'm 31 y.o. autistic) but I will not talk bad about this girl now, knowing how she felt about it in the first place. I guess she did nothing wrong since it wasn't her idea and she even tried to say it. It's a job after all and she did her best.
I liked sia when she worn the wigs and none of us really knew who she was
@@loturzelrestaurant stop spamming the same comment over and over again
Yeah me too
Only thing I fully knew Sia from was the mlp movie
@@iiomqfaderz XD
its so embarrassing to be a faceless anonymous person , and when you reveal yourself youre a shitty person
Ableism aside for a second…is she *NOT* grooming that girl?!
Everyone says narcissistic parent akin to Mother Gothel- kind of, but no. Mother Gothel left Rapunzel aallllll alone in her tower and only visited her to use her hair. That’s neglectful not indulgent. Rapunzel had to practically beg her to make her soup, and the only thing she’d bring her is paint. Not to mention this is a Disney movie, not real life.
Sia has Maddie living across the street from her and they frequently have sleepovers *alone, in the same bed,* Sia is basically controlling her income since Maddie gets all/most of her roles from her, she’s trying to be a surrogate mother for Maddie’s arguably neglectful mother, the gifts, trips, obsessive interest/attention to her, just Google the signs of a groomer and it’s Sia.
She didn’t even care when Maddie was noticeably and verbally upset with playing the character, Sia just wanted to do whatever she wanted with her.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Maddie comes out speaking more about what went on with her relationship with Sia at some point/if she realizes that’s what was going on. At the very least it’s an incredibly toxic and codependent relationship.
Poor Maddie just keeps being bounced around from abusive monster to abusive monster.
Gothel surprised Rapunzel with hazelnut soup the first time, then decided to make it again after she "saved" her from the Stabbington Brothers and Rapunzel "witnessed Flynn's betrayal", AND Rapunzel asked for new paint for her birthday as an excuse to get Gothel out of the tower so she could go and see the lanterns.
Also, did Sia say anything about how she made Maddie live across the street from her or that it was a coincidence or something? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking.
Plus I doubt anything will be done unless it becomes sexual, even if just the total control and manipulation and obsession is already really bad…
It's sad too because she could've had such a promising career. She's incredibly talented, but was exploited by the adults around her and forced to be associated with trashy reality TV and the abomination that is this movie. They ruined her career to the point where she probably can't salvage it before she was even an adult.
She basically hasn't done anything in the last few years, except one movie and the occasional social media appearance. I don't know whether it's due to burnout or humiliation, but either way it's sad.
Rapunzel never begged
Soup
“Autistic people are pure.”
Being an autistic person, that’s so condescending. Why is it so hard to treat us like actual people?
@@bobw1678 uhh people who are conservative are more like that to me than the liberal ones
@@bobw1678 also i don’t know any liberals who claim to be “rich”
@@bobw1678 why are you making ableism a political thing? what does this have to do with politics? why are you making our lives about politics? you suck.
Wtf I'm autistic and that's a compliment.
@@bobw1678 there was no need to bring politics into this. thats not what this is about bob... 😕
The fact that Maddie was actually pretty scared that she was accidentally offending the autistic community with her acting when shooting this movie and cried at one point while Sia just brushed it off and said "it's fine" makes me feel bad for Maddie
Same
I know, it’s like Maddie knew it wasn’t right and the way Sia like joked about it and brushed those concerns aside; that poor girl.
When a child knows more than the supposed adult in the group...=.=
I just hope people aren't throwing the poor girl under the bus for this.
Yeah, I feel bad for Maddie as well.
I heard that Sia is like...grooming her and has a weird obsession with her. She definitely needs to be saved from this woman...
I've been saying this for literally years- Sia's obsession with Maddie is pathological and unhealthy. Sleepovers in the same bed with an unrelated minor who depends on you for an income and for psychological validation are not okay. This is grooming. She wants Maddie to be totally dependent on her. I can't fathom how Melissa permits this to go on. They traded one monster for another.
How is this not a massive red flag of either a very inappropriate relationship or just outright grooming? Given most of celebrity culture though they won't call it out on their own without being a net positive to their internal political capital.
I'm so glad other people are seeing this is a weird and unhealthy relationship...
Melissa let her have a really unhealthy relationship with Abby for years so really it’s not surprising at all
It's the level of posessiveness. It's the fact that Sia can't bear the thought of Maddie exploring her career potential on her own. Sia is literally controlling and manipulating Maddie's every single movement to keep possession of her. It's probably why she has "so many projects" for Maddie, just so she can't go off on her own.
It kinda seems weird to me (though I don't really know about either case) but that there having been so many problems when Michael Jackson had 'sleepovers' that Sia didn't think to not have them - Even just to protect herself.
Historically things aren't great when an adult invites someone elses child for a sleepover with them. (I don't get it...)
Sia’s use of “specially abled” instead of disabled just proves further of how little she did her research
Man, Luke Skywalker is specially abled, ninjas are specially abled, I’m just autistic
@TheRealDavidm75 the only "ability" I get (not professionally diagnosed but likely have) is spinning in a chair is entertaining much longer than it should be
@@Thesilliestsillyman when i was little man i rolled down a hill like a log it was the best
@@TheRealDavidm75 HELL YEEEAAAAAAAA
As someone with autism I would unironically prefer to be called a slur than "specially abled".
Sia: "I keep writing roles for her to keep her safe"
*casts Maddie in an extremely controversial role and then picks fights with people about it on Twitter*
Also she started in Book of Henry, so clearly she failed at keeping her safe. Unless her movie quality standards are just that low.
That DEFINITELY sounds like a healthy, not at all creepy, relationship.
do you want to watch a good movie that represents autistic people in a good way ? watch temple grandin its only 2 hours
@@luisf2793 Is that a bad movie? It comes on the TV every now and then and I haven't seen it, but from the trailers on TV it seemed like a generic horror?
@@monochromedream-eatingbaku ohh trust me this movie is unbelievable bad, but generic is not how I would describe it. Also wouldn't call it a horror movie unless you're describing how horrible it is.
Sia: I keep writing roles for maddie to keep her safe
this sounds like a toxic relationship where they're trying to isolate their partner so they don't ever leave them
Yup
That's exactly what it is. An adult having such an obsession with a teenager who isn't related to them is not an okay situation and is most definitely toxic.
It sounds like she's been grooming Maddie to use her to profit.
She should let Maddie decide her own paths and let her have a choice.. it just feels like Maddie is being peer pressured by her.. I really don't want to say this cause I actually love Sia and Maddie relationship.. but this has gone too far..
I watched a few episodes of “Dance Moms” and Maddie went from one toxic relationship with Abbie Lee Miller to another one with Sia. And Maddie’s mother seems to be a pageant mom who has always desperately wanted her daughter in the spotlight, so I am believe she has played a role in enabling these relationships.
The fact thats she's said I won't make art anymore unless its with her is incredible manipulative.
It sounds very creepy
Acting like she owns her and won't even let her do projects that don't involve Sia
@@TheBowTieCat since when did she have an obsession with her!? SINCE WHEN DID SHE OPENLY SHOW HER FACE 😂😂😂
Fr
@@anakinjmanu In the 2000s
I’m autistic and I don’t blame Maddie for this. She’s a kid whose own mother has walked away from her to let Sia raise her instead. She has no one but Sia to guide her and I’m scared to read the book she’ll write about her life one day. I blame Sia. You hit the nail on the head. Autism is different for everyone and this feels like an offensive stereotype that tries to fantasize it and infantilize us.
It sounds like Music is the kind of movie that is based on 'research' that is outdated since before Rain Man was first released.
@@3baxcb it's like the kind of stuff you'd hear from those moms of autistic kids who blame everything on the autism and treat their kids like npcs
I exclude Maddie from my hatred of Music and SIA because of her age at the time and the well known fact that most child and teen stars have very little control over their careers and are often forced to do things that they don’t want to do. She isn’t to blame for any of this mess. Her mother and SIA knew exactly what they were doing the entire time and never stopped once to think that maybe making Music was a colossal mistake.
Sia is creepily obsessed with Maddie, I don’t know why people didn’t realize this before.
She was creepy before.......
@@lordphatquaad8133 yeah
Can I know more on why she is so obsessed with Maddie.Im not saying she is not obsessed with Maddie she’s crazy
It all started in 2014
Yeah, not to pull the double standard card but I feel like if this exact realtionship was between a man and a boy it would be perceived as very creepy
If sia wanted Maddie to be in the film so badly, why couldn’t she just cast her as some type of background character????????
or she could have been the sister
Or a main character since that's one thing Music never got to be.
because Sia wanted Maddie to be the star. Based on her like...really creepy pathology, that's all she wants.
Sia is completely obsessed over maddie she just forgets anything important that has to be researched and put on the movie, just for the sake of making her the most creepy objectified center of attention
Exactly. Maddie wasn't even comfortable with playing Music, so surely that would have been a better alternative.
I liked Sia more when she were a faceless mysterious artist who just sings and creates songs
She is still my fave :)
@@Victor_Graves you know exactly what I mean lmao
Yeah wtf happened
@@emmahollow8898 ...anyway, you troll...
@@emmahollow8898 are you stupid??? Autism is cognitive, it’s not their fault they don’t act the way you want them to... autistic people have a disability
Not the iilluminaughtii jumpscare 💀 sometimes I forget the blair witch was once respected in the video-essay community
truly
Irony lmao
read this right when it appeared
may i ask what happened? cuz i dont know the dude and im lost
@@xiyue-554 iilluminaughtii is a girl.
There is A LOT wrong that she did so if you want a more in depth video, there are plenty of videos about her. iNabbler or SWOOP does a good job going into it.
Reasons for her hate:
-Hypocrisy (Example: Says she doesn't like slurs but then uses the 'R' word)
-Plagiarism (Reads straight off the Wiki.)
-Fragile Ego (She overreacts and acts like everyone is out to get her.)
-Hermit (House looked like a hurricane went through it)
-Tries to paint herself as a victim
-Emotional manipulation of her ex and Friends (Oz, Wonder, The Click, OT, ect.)
-Fake/baseless Allegations of one of her friends (The Click) being Ped0 defenders
-pays 200$ to one of her employees to dig up her friend (The Click) saying a bad word OVER TEN YEARS AGO
-Tries to paint her friend (Wonder) as irresponsible by bringing the dogs into it and a car that he had to live out of
-Showing her friend's (Wonder's) Su!c!d3 note in her apology video
-Financially manipulates her ex (Oz) into a contract by using his past trauma
-Social Stalker (Could you not, she has been stalking their accounts through an ALT for years to spread lies as an outsider.)
-Harassment (Remeber the fragile ego thing? Yeah she harassed a poor pregnant youtuber over asking if Lumi was citing her.)
-Two faced (A youtuber snuck into her discord server and found her talking ish while trying to act sorry and being silent.)
-Lawyer up (She sont all her friends and her ex a cease and disist letter, she is currently suing her ex.)
I hate how Sia said she instantly saved Maddie’s horrible life from “Dance Moms”, yet Maddie literally begged and cried not to do the part for this movie because she didn’t want to offend anyone. Poor Maddie😔💔
@Uma Li Goldman yea playing people with multiple personalities or autism has a super fine line and this movie crosses the line so much.I feel bad for maddie
Maddie really needs to run
damn poor girl :/
Autistic people get offended at everything just be happy you guys are being put in something
@@emmahollow8898 YOU AGAIN? Bruh.
14 year old Maddie crying and saying “I don’t want anyone to think I’m making fun of them” breaks my heart man. The entertainment industry really does not care about forcing children to do something they’re not comfortable with
i think some people in the entertainment industry wouldn't have forced her into the role if she was uncomfortable, i blame sia more
Can you tell me were maddie says that, I really wanna hear 😗
@@User-ks5gv sia said it herself in an interview and said that she reassured maddie that no one would think that
@@bunbun6629 okay thanks!
@@User-ks5gv no problem! i think he included it in the video, if you're curious
i feel like he did more research for this youtube video than sia for her film that took her 3 years
bruh, one hour of google search and another hour to have an interview with an autistic person is enough to know the basics
Hovering over google search query autocomplete suggestions for Autism Speaks is more research than Sia apparently did!
I feel like Sia is even searching to the second page of Google page which most of time is useless. LOL.
@@spaghetti5914 I completely agree with you, two hours of research, one being googling and exploring various articles, autistic people in history, autistic people in the twenty-first century, REAL meltdown/breakdown videos and the other being sitting down with someone actually ON the autism spectrum to ask educated questions and ask if (x) way is a good way to depict that aspect in a movie is MORE than enough to know the basics of Autism. BUT. When you're an ADULT with a net worth of over twenty-five MILLION dollars with the resources to NOT ONLY recruit NUMEROUS autistic actors/actresses for roles, ESPECIALLY the ones where you're representing someone on the spectrum, and CONSULT OTHER people on the Autistic spectrum, but also SPEND THREE YEARS researching autism it is NOT enough to just "scrape the surface" of a disorder. You, as a director, and writer, are in charge of representing Autism correctly if your movie has an autistic character in it. Sia failed this one.
Just hang with _ANY_ person on the spectrum! You'll get more info than Sia, even if they're non-verbal! ESPECIALLY NON-VERBAL now that I think about it!
They could’ve made a movie about a movie about a recovering addict and alcoholic who has to take her of her younger sister,after their grandmother died, and instead of having the younger sister autistic, make her lash out because of grief and have music be her coping mechanism and what brings the sisters back together
Or how music struggles with being non verbal. Not being able to share how she feels in a genuine way makes her frustrated. She would work through that throughout the movie.
Or maybe make her autistic but don’t make it the main plot of the movie. Such as a recovering drug addicted who has to take care of her sister who happens to be autistic. But does it in a more realistic subtle way and doesn’t obsess over the fact she’s autistic
@@girlpower_gacha that’s what I would do if I rewrote this. Like more of a show not tell deal
THESE.
so, let me get this straight. sia supposedly "fired" another actor that was autistic because she was supposedly uncomfortable in the environment. yet maddie had multiple panic attacks and sobbed on set because she knew it was wrong, and yet sia forced her to do it..?
To make matters worse, there is ample evidence that the "original autistic actress" never existed and that Sia had always planned on casting Maddie Ziegler in the role.
@@epsilonalphaargo1948 if Sia is a male, people will suspect Sia being an obsessed predator. Anything about this makes Sia the same level as being the child predator pretending to be a warm person so that a child can trust them immediately.
I understood that statement to be that Sia was uncomfortable with the autistic actress.
I don’t think she even originally had an autistic actress. I think she went straight to Maddie off the bat
@XOWavey yea, I feel uncomfortable when I saw that music video. The reaction I had on that is the same thing with ‘Cuties’ movie. It’s just so uncomfortable to use kids as a prop for this kind of manner. Sia’s obsession with Maddie is too unhealthy.
I'm so sorry Maddie. You cried and told her you didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings from day one, she told us herself.
And unfortunately, her face is what's being plastered everywhere regarding the movie. I hope she's doing ok through this.
@@aniyilator she is lol
Sia isn’t
Same. It seems like sia is just manipulating and exploiting maddie for fame and money.
A girl that age being more aware than a grown woman and that woman not wanting to learn.. so sad
@@kes6016 hmmm.🤔 just like how she was in FREAKING DANCE MOMS! 😨😱 sorry for being overdramatic.😅
“Why didn’t you use a non-verbal autistic actress?”
“Working with them was too stressful.”
“…isn’t that a plot point in the movie you’re making? About how this person learns how to work with a nonverbal autistic in a productive and compassionate manner?”
“Your point?”
I can't believe Sia.
As an autistic person myself, I can’t believe she would dare to call this crapfest a ‘love letter’ to the autistic community. This isn’t a love letter, it’s a flaming bag of dog shit and a hurtful note thrown into the autistic community’s backyard.
Omg. She missed the whole point
@@titanqueen7217 It is a love letter. From Sia to Sia.
she didn't say it was stressful for her, she said the autistic girl was stressed
When you have a eugenics program telling you your movie was offensive towards people with disabilities you know you did something wrong.
💯💯💯
Maddie Ziegler’s mother has seemingly sold her daughter to Sia.
Seemingly 💀💀💀 she def sold her
Well Abbey Lee Miller went to jail, so she had to make money somehow
Lucky Epstein lowballed
Maddie’s mum sold her to Abbie at a very young age, she just transferred that ownership to Sia. There is a reason Maddie’s dad wanted full custody of both girls when he divorced Melissa.
Am I the only one who finds it so weird that they sleep in the same bed ?? If the genders where reversed .....
I'm very concerned for Maddie ngl
the relationship with sia feels like a rapunzel sort of deal
I literally started hearing the lyrics to "Mother Knows Best" in my head when he started describing Sia's relationship with Maddie.
it makes me so sad because it’s kind of brushed off, because people associate grooming only with sexual favors and such, so when stuff like this happens nobody does anything.
She literally went from one Abby Lee to an even more powerful Abby Lee 🤢
I KNEW I THOUGHT IT WAS FAMILIAR. IT REALLY DOES OMG
A bit like Norman Bates's mother in Psycho as well.
Sia reminds me of them crazy ladies that try to steal kids because their own died or something except her own are still alive
If she has her own children, does she even have a relationship with them or is she too obsessed with Maddie lol
ikrrrr thats accurate. and her mom basically sells her to SIA, not surprising since the mom also forced her on the crazy dance moms show
That sounds like an episode of Law & Order SVU in the making, LOL.
that happened to me at a grocery store lmao I didn't know that was that common 😭😰
@Taylor Solomon - Topic “Adopted”
As someone who is autistic I died laughing because now everyone thinks this is how we act 💀
Trust me, nobody with a brain thinks this is how people with autism act
@@Welsh7133i can say from experience, there are some. My older sister told me i didn't have autism because i "wasn't stupid".
Well, at least someone found some joy in it, LOL.
Well I definitely see weird colours when I listen to music 💀
Ikr!! I dont have autism, but my friend does and she just acts like a normal human being
Wait, so Sia, a grown woman, proclaimed herself to be a "surrogate mother" to a teen girl, whom she met when said girl was _11-years-old,_ practically bragged about being obsessed with her, controlled pretty much every aspect of her life and career, and had her live with in her home and _sleep in her bed._
How is this not a bigger deal? She publicly groomed a child and... everyone's cool with that?
Agreed!! I don’t think Sia intends any harm, but this is CREEPY and Sia holds a LOT of power over her right now with no foreseeable ending. Maddie’s in a really bad position.
@@chancematters This is something people need to understand more: just because an adult isn't a calculating, evil predator doesn't mean they can't have a really harmful relationship with a child. People can even use grooming tactics without realising that's what they're doing. Even if the adult doesn't realise what they're doing is wrong (because they're wrapped up in their own ego / emotionally immature / mentally unwell) that doesn't mean the child doesn't get hurt as a result. Other adults in their circle need to step in.
It seems like Maddie should at least have an extended break away from Sia's influence and the chance to develop her own life and identity as a separate person before deciding how/if she wants that relationship to continue. Sia should also have a break away from Maddie to reflect on how she's been approaching this relationship and what she might need to do differently if they want to be close in a healthy way, because at the moment this whole situation is one big red flag, and as the adult this is Sia's responsibility.
Jesus Christ, imagine if a man did any of this... Especially having her sleep in the same bed, that's just insane.
@@shockofthenew I don’t like Sia but here I think it’s more mother daughter thing, because as far as I know Sia never had children, which made her “fall in love” with Maddie but she doesn’t understand that she is not her child and that her actions are in fact grooming, it’s sad and scary at the same time
@@MV-cu7ct Sia is in her mid 40's, she's not a naive teenager. Don't remove her agency by saying she doesn't understand her actions.
At this point, I don’t think Sia thinks of Maddie as a human being. She just thinks of her as a doll she can play with and manipulate however she wants.
That’s exactly right.
She claimed she wanted to “save” Maddie from abbey but she is exactly like abbey.
Logic!
A total object for her to control and love bomb. It's creepy and gross. Especially considering she has slept in bed with her.
Make Sia a dude and there would be pitchfork mobs
She is technically allowed to do that, maddie signed a form.
It's so sad because Maddie even said she felt uncomfortable playing the role and Sia basically pressured her into it.
That's why I was getting Frank Farian and Milli Vanilli vibes from this, because it's like how Frank Farian pressured Rob & Fab into lip-syncing to other people's vocals.
Yes.. hi army
Yeah, it’s such a power dynamic. Definitely not a healthy relationship
@@angeline808 I'm definitely not the first to say this but I will repeat that Sia has known Maddie for a good chunk of Maddie's life-- plucking her out of relative obscurity (we know she and Jojo Siwa were on Dance Moms, but outside of that, Maddie wasn't known for much else before Sia) because Sia decided that this child was her muse! There is absolutely a power dynamic in their relationship favoring Sia, and it's gross and troubling how Sia used Maddie. Even though Maddie has never spoken about any abuse she might have been on the receiving end of, with the kind of relationship they had-- I don't even know if you'd call it professional since the vibe I get from Sia is that she sees Maddie as a daughter as well as her muse, something might've been going on.
I've always had an issue with the idea of people being "muses" in art, but it waves so many red flags when a grown ass adult (regardless of gender) is like, "Yes! This literal child is my muse! She inspires me to create my art!"
Hell maddie even hated it
Sia seems like the kind of person in high school that would say the nicest things when they see developmentally disabled kids, then try her best not to giggle and snort when one of her friends calls those kids the r-slur
A little girl hanging with a full grown adult, sleep-overs, 'keeping her safe' and her micro-managing her career??? excuse me, why aren't we talking about this???
@@babyrose7830 I don't understand how people like you can take one word and focus on that specific word. If you don't realize why this is wrong then...wow. And we all know that people can be friends regardless of their age it's the way Sia is coming off.
No I understand why Sia comes off as potentially predatory - her obsession with Maddie is strange, wether sexual or not, she should back off a little and give her some space. I don’t think it’s healthy for any random lady to come along and play the mother role when she already has a mother, and then being obsessive ontop of that.
I was reffering mainly to the commenter saying that “a minor hanging out with a grown woman” is a problem.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean the whole comment in general, should’ve pointed that out but i was exhausted
@@babyrose7830 i think the original comment is referring to all of those things together being off?
Michael Jackson
@@babyrose7830 I think you need to look up what a groomer is...because...yep...getting that vibe from SIA.
I really don't like when Sia talks about "falling in love with someone's purity", considering she cast and lived in a house with a 14 year old girl from down the street.
Grown women who say shit like that are pretty sus
They usually call that being "motherly" but to me it's actually really creepy
@@Anonymous_Gambito it seems like women creepers often easily slip through people's radars because their creepy and unhealthy obsession with purity seems to be often mistaken for being "motherly"
Maddie is obviously vulnerable and Sia seems to have a heavy emotional dependence on her. Does Maddie even have friends?
@@almond3066 Remember when a woman that made a show for kids made a horrifically pedophilic comment fantasising about a boy that she saw and how.... She wanted to confront him but his dad was there? And how a few people saw it as "a joke"!?
Like actually what the fuck-
I seriously need to find the video about it but i swear IT WAS REAL!
@@MLGAllan65 I remember that! that was the creator of the show "twelve forever" that said that. She followed some teenaged boy around at some amusement park ALL DAY
It was super weird and creepy
The laugh Sia does after “I actually keep writing roles for her to keep her safe”, makes me want to return to monke
It upsets me every time it comes on.
well I mean you should always want to return to monkee
No no no. Remember, "mother knows best" -Mother Gothal
It makes me think she’s not keeping her safe she’s the one putting her in danger. There’s something not right about that relationship.
We should all return to monke. It’s the right choice
As an autistic person, I feel like you should only make a movie about autism if you,
A: Have Autism
B: Are an expert in it
And, there are people who are non autistic that play autistic characters very well! BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND THOSE PEOPLE!
why? if someone is making a movie about any particular topic i don’t find it unreasonable to ensure that person either has experience of their own or has thoroughly researched it. obvs we’re not going to police who can makes movies but sia is a prime example of why
Or, get help from an autistic person or an expert on autism to make the movie.
@@sherriecargal yes
C: Have done research with experts at the field and/or people with autism
It breaks my heart that Maddie Ziegler was so worried to the point of tears about offending the autistic community before the release of the movie and then it actually ended up coming true.
Yall, please have grace and understand she didn't mean any harm and that she's literally just a 14 year old kid.
Sia on the other hand, yikes...
this movie came out in 2021 when maddie was 18. why is everyone saying she’s 14 i’m confused.
@@yogurt2317 production started in 2015, which would make her 13-14 at the time. If she cried to Sia about her fear of her misrepresenting what someone with autism is like, this is a clear indicator that she sensed something wrong about the way Music was portrayed. This is just my guess of what happened, but given the circumstance, she naturally trusted Sia when she told her that she wasn't doing anything wrong. Plus Sia is also a bit of a mentor figure so Ziegler probably felt some form of pressure to stay in the project
@@yogurt2317 did you not watch the video at all? Or do a simple Google search? She was 14-15 when production started. She could’ve been easily manipulated because she was a child.
Most in the Autistic community including myself don't judge Maddie. We judge Sia who is the one who caused harm. Maddie was a minor and many of us recognize this! Especially since Maddie did recognize how messed up the performance is and Sia still forced her to do it.
It’s so scary that she was so young at the time, and she’s still so young and vulnerable
When I was twelve or so, I wrote a cringey poem about a friend's disabled cousin thinking I was deep. My sister told me not to give it to the father, and thank God I was too shy to go through with it. This reminds me of that poem - ignorant, self-righteous, and inherently flawed. At least I was a dumb kid who kept it to myself.
I hope you saved it. Wonderful to be able to look back and cringe at ourselves. Also great for our continued humility.
And IF you have saved it- now that you've given appropriate context, you should definitely share it in a reply for all our benefit. :p
put it on 4Chan, that's greentext level shit right there
Adults are generally kind to 12 year olds, I'm sure your poem would have been received with kindness, depending on what was in it of course!
Lol
At least it's cute cause you were 12 at the time and now a grown up who is self aware
Not like 40yo Sia lmao
The fact that you knew not to share that when you were twelve, and Sia shares... *this* shit... in her 40s...
Really says a lot, doesn't it.
Yeah no their relationship is very creepy. The fact that even Maddie could tell that the perfomance was going to come off as mockery and Sia just kinda said "nah, it'll be fine" and pressured her to do it is just wrong. And just their whole relationship is weird af.
Edit: Even if it's a mother daughter dynamic it's still toxic especially with the huge power imbalance.
"don't worry those sp3rgs will be f1ne"
"that's an offensive slur sia"
@@ddjsoyenby wait what
Maddie's a smart kid, plenty of youth are more aware now than ever about the struggles minorities face, I'd say it's common sense on her part to feel uncomfortable with the movie. Sia's just.... INSANELY stupid.
Maddie also used to have sleepovers at Sia's house when she was like 11... kinda weird
@@millamilla123 It can depend, I guess. When I was around 4-8 years old I would have sleepovers with a friend of my family (she was like 20), and nothing weird or wrong happened. At least in my eyes, there's nothing weird.
Ironic how Sia says she hates musicals when she had the dude who plays Aaron Burr in Hamilton which is a pretty famous musical on her cast 💀
Thats what i said!! And just look at his face while she's trashing musicals, he's so uncomfortable lmao
"Music" is a musical........ duh
@@azbika Ik? I watched the vid- 💀 Was talking abt the interview w Sia
LESLIE? SHE HAD FRICKING LESLIE???
And just the fact he did this. Like- WHY
I’m happy no one seems to be blaming Maddie for the movie, she’s so young and obviously very impressionable.
Well cmon, It’s all on Sia,
Best part is, Maddie knew autistic people were going to think she was mocking them. She already knew she wasn't the best person for the role and yet Sia pushed her into it anyway.
Maddie will never get hate from me for this. She seemed to be coerced into this and I hope Sia always feels the repercussion around this.
Not only that… she was continually talked INTO the role….
She was terrified of offending someone …. Wasn’t sure what she was doing was right…
Sia was even quoted saying she wouldn’t ever create again UNLESS she could work with Maddie….
Can you imagine the pressure that puts on a young adult/kid?
It's not her fault. Sia was the one at the helm.
Sia: this movie is for Autistic people
Movie: tries it’s hardest to be as loud, bright and overwhelming as possible
Translation, this movie was made to combat autistic people.
The movie was really just made for inspiration porn and the "poor caregivers of these dumb disabled people 🥺🥺🥺"
Those are the vibes I got: autistic people are all dumb and childlike and "inanimate objects like wigs" and the 'caregivers' are the poor underrepresented people who need people to bow down and worship their sacrifice
@@aliensandinternetdrama5169 yes and Gilbert movie
Honestly some autistic adults are loud but generally if you're loud and autistic you're a kid and haven't learned how to control your volume levels. Now i mean with general autism but being on spectrum is different you could be on the autism spectrum and have aspergers syndrome which is different as far as behavior. With autistic ppl they are normally pretty quiet as teenagers and adults, due to there intense sensory issues. This is specifically regarding high functioning autism, i don't have a ton of experience with low functioning or different things on the spectrum. Anyway this is absolutely horrific.
omg it was so difficult to watch and i was literally hitting my ears like crazy just trying to watch it. i couldnt even watch it all the way because i started panicking.
The fact that a 14 year old knew it was wrong and sia didn’t says everything Maddie is definitely under her clutch it’s sad
@ラッキーガール she is being manipulated by sia
(definitely)
I thought she was like 17 or something
@@kpopmarshmallow2112 shes 18
@@dollie1537 she’s 18 now but when the movie was filmed and written she was 13/14
@@emilyoswin3830 Erm.. Not she was 18 when it was filmed lol.
What also is bad with the restraint scenes is that a lot of the neurodivergent people I know, including myself, are sensitive to touch. I myself view touch as an intimate thing because of my sensitivity to it, touch is a thing only given to those I trust and love, like close friends and family. But even then, I don't think I'll let any of them hold me down like this, and I would be MORE stressed out than anything. What makes it even more worse is that they talked loudly to explain what's going on, when you shouldn't do that, because that will just make the person more stimulated.
A better way to show those scenes is to first show that Music is comfortable with touches from the two characters. Something light and easy like her slightly leaning on their shoulder or holding their hand. Then, when she's having an attack, have them ask what's going on and gently grab Music's hand as a way for her to get a stable point. Even then, this isn't recommended, but it's still a lot better than what they showed.
If you still want to include those squishes, then show what things are very much an active danger for Music. If she's moving very rapidly and unpredictably in a tight room, then have them mention (again, in a quieter voice) that she could hit her head violently on a wall. That's probably the only time you could do something like this to someone having an attack, when they can be an active danger to themselves and there's no other thing you can do.
And here's the thing, for some people that are sensitive to touch (for example me) another person simulating pressure can still be a positive experience that can help regulate stimuli. IF. ITS. DONE. WITH. CONSENT. Which music very much did not give.
Even then it's not really something that would help when im dealing with full on sensory overload just something to help me regulate when im approaching sensory overload.
Sia controlling Maddie's entire career gives off huge narcissistic parent vibes. "You're too naïve and clueless to make your own decisions, so I have to make them all for you! I'm not controlling you, I'm protecting you! You should be eternally grateful for everything I've done for you!"
And that's just part of the problem. This woman also has feelings for her... so strong that everyone can see that the feelings are not healthy.
Sia WANTS to be Maddie's mother. Quite creepy. I wonder how her real mother feels about that?
@@bloodcountess81 her real mom was crazy on dance moms and I'm 99% sure she encourages their relationship
I'm getting a Woody Allen vibe from this relationship.
Mother Gothel vibes.
The thing is, her admitted over-interest in Maddie Ziegler is weird. If she were an older man, it would be alarm bells everywhere, but women can be predators too. The fact that she admitted to “writing projects just to keep her safe”, couldn’t you just replace the word “safe” with “close”? Then she’s calling Maddie’s mom, inserting herself in her career... idk this story is bizarre.
Also- did I hear somewhere that she had Maddie for a sleepover IN THE SAME BED?? If I were her parent my alarm bells would be screaming. In show business, predators are everywhere, and they can be anyone. It’s a sad reality.
they also have sleepovers. and have for years. it’s so fuckingn gross.
they've slept in the same bed together... I'm really concerned for Maddie being around her so much
She had her dancing in a nude bathing suit to a song about getting wasted and dance with a grown man in next to nothing, filmed both things then put them out in public for EVERYONE in the WORLD to see. And we all know that once something is on the internet it is basically there until the end of time. That's not something most parents would want for their child. It was completely inappropriate and inconsiderate to how Maddie may feel about that once she is old enough to have her own life. Imagine if that was you. Not surprised she's still using Maddie today as her toy and tool. It's totally grooming. Her saying she does it to keep her 'safe' is really meaning to keep her under her control. As someone who was groomed at 20 by an older man, I can say it is extremely damaging. I can't imagine how it would have affected me if I had been a minor. I wish Maddie the best in her life so that she may make her own decisions. Sorry, just had to rant since it really bothers me. Not trying to attack anyone here.
Wasn't sleeping in the same bed as a child part of Michael Jackson's scandal? (Or at least, one of them.)
this 👏
Hearing how much Maddie didn’t want to play the role makes Sia come off as so manipulative like I’m really fearful about their relationship
same its giving a lot of grooming vibes
@@penguinesque3869 definitely definitely definitely agree
I feel so bad for Maddie because of that. Really goes to show that she had no choice. Both Maddie's maternal figures treat her like a toy.
She couldn't have turned down the role or is she under some kind of contract?
Imagine if Sia was a man, people would’ve been calling to cancel her a lot sooner. Very creepy
The restraint scenes are absolutely terrible. If someone restrained me like in the movie, it would NOT make me feel safe. If anything it would make me feel even more unsafe and I would be freaking out.
Sia's obsession with Maddie is downright creepy as hell. What she's doing is considered grooming at this point...
Wouldn’t say grooming
That word is being thrown around alot lately
But its still veeery weird
Okay an obsession isn't grooming. More stalking and creepy
@@arkham_miami maybe not grooming, but extremely manipulative. "I don't want to make any art without her in it" is especially what makes it feel that way. Essentially "without Maddie, I'd stop making art" would put the blame on Maddie if Maddie were to ever leave her.
@@arkham_miami they've slept in the same bed more than once. Its grooming levels
@@arkham_miami i’d say it’s very likely to be grooming bcuz it started when maddie was very young
She wanted to make a movie about herself. She sees herself as a misunderstood, suffering, genius, artistic werido. "Oh, that's just like those autistic people isn't it? Plus this will be a great role for this girl I have a creepy relationship with, because it's actually about me, and I'm great!"
So basically every “depressed” teenager on Instagram
Truth spoken right here ☝️
@@chebic5095 me a diagnosed mental garbage fire who doesn't have Instagram anymore: haha I'm *quirky*
@@thatperson278 Um, you okay? Need someone to talk to?
Self idolatry is what happens when someone is confident on how stupid they are
Hey there, I'm autistic, and no, we do not in fact see the world like we're constantly taking LSD.
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I am atusic and I wish I did
As a fellow autistic person, the only unusual thing about my vision is the fact my left eye is fucked and I need glasses for it.
i'm on the spectrum and i can confirm the only time i feel like im on LSD, is when im on LSD
@@MiniMia48 Same. When I have both of my eyes open, my eyesight is fine, but my left eye is blurry when it’s the only eye I’m using while the right one is fine.
As someone who’s autistic I don’t feel represented, I feel insulted.
As someone who is nonverbally autistic, I feel insulted as well!!! I have acted plenty of time before, and was actually a pretty well known person in my drama club. I feel bad for Maddie D;
As an Autistic, I'm less insulted than I am enraged. Okay, kind of both. But mostly enraged.
@@hyenaholicproductions9033 This!!
As an autistic person, I think I'm ok with non-autistic people playing autistic characters, as long as they do it justice. This, is not that. Obviously not Maddie's fault, I think she was pressured into doing it, but this movie is a complete disaster.
Edit, in 2022, New Years: This is the most liked comment I’ve ever posted. 14k and rising, thank you all! Hilariously I think more people like this video than the movie itself.
Agreed, I am autistic too and I would rather the role go to the person who is most qualified to play it via audition. If that person happens to be autistic themselves, fantastic! If they're not, but they do the role justice and portray it accurately, also fantastic!
Now, if there is blatant discrimination against an autistic actress/actor without giving them a chance to audition, that's different.
I hope people dont trash Maddie on this.
On this note what does everyone think of the portrayal of the autistic character in “The Good Doctor” series (either the Asian version or western one)?
I agree!!! You need to do it right
Completely agree. I’m on the Spectrum too
“Oh shit.” It’s like when you half assed studied for a test and realise halfway through you’re totally screwed
She's been studying on the wrong book all along. Oh shit.
but the teacher is already collecting tests.
@Doll Karaoke you got one like in 54 minutes
That's really specific 😂😂😂😂
@@shinyentree225 you got one like in 6 hours ahaha
Did none of the interviewers call Sia out on her unhealthy relationship with Maddie, where she openly admits to controlling her and rely on her?
Sia is just sitting there, talking about how she stops Maddie from taking jobs she doesn't like or approve of, and how she writes her projects for Maddie to "protect her", and how she won't work without Maddie.
Like, one of the interviewers must have called her out on it... right?
It’s so horrible and predatory and weird somebody help this girl 😖
No, because Sia is a woman. That’s literally the only reason.
@@talynhastime9343
I can understand not calling her out on the blatant pedohebephilia, but not even the other stuff? Like, she doesn’t get the “she’s her mother” pass, or at least she shouldn’t, but does what anyone would notice as sexual abuse when committed by a man somehow wrap around so that people view everything else as normal?
most interviewers will only touch on what the interviewees allow them to. Right now there are no active allegations for Sia and Maddie so they can't ask them questions like that without slander. But they can bring it up and allow others to speculate.
If Sia was a dude, Maddie would've been ripped away from Sia long ago.
Am I the only one DEEPLY unsettled by the way Sia talks about Maddie? “My little dancing muse”, “sleepovers?” If Sia was a man she would have been cancelled at BEST.
I know Maddie’s an adult now and I don’t wanna make accusations but any adult THAT obsessed with a child, especially when it’s not their own, is at the very least weird.
Its very pedo-ish
I'm very happy nobody got angry at Maddie. I feel extremely uncomfortable for how Sia treats and speaks about her
About that...
A lot of people did get angry at Maddie,
It's just that if you do about 10 minutes of research
You find out how misplaced that hate is.
So everyone who knows tries to redirect the narrative
So that Maddie doesn't become the scapegoat.
@@BramLastname yeahhhh
@ Because I struggle to read continuous text,
So by inserting enters
I create footholds for when I read it back.
@Scott Wolfe That's good,
It's so sad most of the harm has already been done...
She was just a kid
"Autistic people are too delicate and emotional to handle the stress of being involved with my film!" said the neurotypical woman as she continued to type rage-tweets to anyone who disagreed with her.
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
This sounds like the title of an Onion article lmao
Anthony Hopkins would like to speak to you.
Imagine insisting that you really did try to cast an autistic actor in the role when you're on record - as in a literal recording - saying that you wrote the script specifically as a vehicle for Maddie and you don't want to ever do a single project without her being involved. Definitely a Stable Genius level move.
@@sixstringedthing I'm betting she lied.
And Maddie is probably gonna want to distance herself from Sia after how this movie bombed.
She's definitely grooming Maddie, not in a sexual way but they quarantined together, had sleepovers and even slept in the same bed?! Nope. Nope nope nope. And I feel so sorry for Maddie, she cried and didn't wanna make fun of them but that witch probably made her.
Yep, grooming can be about emotional relationships or out of a want to control them.
Sia is 100% having a power trip over Maddie and I feel so bad for her. I don't blame the actors for any of this, none of them. Sia was the man in charge, she chose to work with autism speaks, she chose to work with an actor not on the spectrum, she made all of the problems on this film and her response on twitter is truly disgusting.
I hope Maddie the best and that she able to get away for Sia, because she really needs it.
That's creepy.
@@yourlocalbraincell4436 I know right!!
Dick_Clown_trender she’s def a narcissist to nearly comic proportions. I mean, she appears in her own movie as a savior figure attempting to bring pain meds to the children of Haiti
That's what I think. I've seen some people say it isn't grooming because it may not be sexual but still, it's creepy. I mean, if you cut down the story into its simplest form: a 40-year-old woman went out of her way to invite a teenager into her bed - it doesn't sound harmless anymore.
thank you for putting the TW of the restraining parts and even the time stamps. Lots of people don't really understand that it is an actual trigger.
Using this movie to teach about autism is like using GTA to learn how to drive.
You mean that's not how you're supposed to drive?
Funny you say that,because I used the PC version of San Andreas and a racing wheel peripheral,to practice for my road test.
Passed,first time : )
@@everyotheryoutubeuser6159 Didn't take it as a challenge.
Just recounting a tale from my youth ; )
I understand your point but they use gta5 for AI to learn how to drive
But you can actually learn how to drive from gta
I find it so funny that Sia openly says "I hate musicals" in front of the original Broadway actor for Aaron Burr in Hamilton
And yet she directed a musical. Hypocrite.
The most polite thing I can say about Sia after all this is that she really doesn't use her head.
I wonder how she felt about Maddie playing Graziela in West Side Story.
THATS ALOTA DAMAGE!
@@tultsi93 didn’t she also write and sing a song for the My Little Pony Friendship is Magic movie too? That whole series is known for being full of music and songs.
sia’s obsession with maddie is disgusting. she literally always uses her as a doll and i wouldnt be surprised if she had actually groomed her.
Literally! I'm all for women looking out for other women, but listening to the way she talked about maddie made my skin crawl. She openly admitted to her desire to shape maddie's world and keep her "safe" by only doing stuff that she approves of. It doesn't help that she directly refers to maddie as her "muse"; the word "muse" has romantic connotations behind it, so it's reaaaaally sus that she used that specific word instead of something more neutral like "inspiration" or something
Sia very much reminds me of Mother Gothel here and I don't like this.
@Alice Skies calm TF down
@Alice Skies regardless of what you think, it doesn't take much to see that Sia's relationship with Maddie is unhealthy. She exerts a concerning amount of control over Maddie's life and decisions and has openly admitted the depth of which she depends on Maddie (such as that she wouldn't make anything if it didnt involve maddie, that she strives to make things specifically for maddie). Sia appears to be concerningly dependent on Maddie, a CHILD. While I personally don't think she's molested Maddie, their relationship doesn't seem to be healthy and it appears that Sia is ignorant of the amount of influence she exerts over maddie's life
@Alice Skies she literally made a movie that was a caricature of the people she supposedly wants to represent and, even more so, was unwatchable by said community and conveyed dangerous ideas, such as the idea that the correct way to handle a meltdown physically pin a person to the ground. I would be more sympathetic if it wasn't obvious that she put minimal effort into ensuring that the community she was trying to represent was represented faithfully and in a way that accurately represents their lives. Obviously, it's impossible to represent every member of the austism community, but making a character composed of a crude amalgamation of various behaviors that doesnt accurately represent anybody is not the way to go. Plus, she teamed up with autism speaks! Even a cursory google search will bring up some pretty suspicious looking stuff and discussions of how harmful of an organization it is. Intentions are an important consideration when judging someone's actions, but we cant ignore the actual consequences. Yes, Sia meant well, but that doesn't erase the harmful messages she spread about austistic individuals through this movie and her hostile responses following it. And as a famous person who puts herself in the public eye, she is not immune to criticism from others. Nobody is immune from the judgement of others, especially when they have done something that is harmful to others
around the 20:28 mark when Sia is talking about "we're here because we care about the autism community" blah blah blah and you can see Leslie Odom Jr. trying so hard to not look dead behind the eyes :-(
I'm just sayin if Sia was a guy she'd be labeled a groomer and their relationship called toxic/abusive, and they wouldn't be wrong, I hope Maddie is safe.
They sleep in the same bed when maddie constantly sleeps over why no adults steps up
Ive seen a lot of people mention it. It truly is wrong, she even controls Maddie's work opportunities. The definition of controlling and terrible.
Sia= Woman Onision.
@@Xehanort10 PLS 😭😭
@@Xehanort10 💀💀💀
I think Sia just made a movie about her dream life. Having Maddie as a daughter but she needs her 24/7
EXACTLY. as soon as i saw the "caretaker" who was an ex addict i thought that she was a projection of s*a herself, and the whole "maddie as a daughter but she needs her 24/7" fits in with some of the grooming that people are speculating is going on between sia and maddie.
@@coagulatedsalts4711 caretaker is the word i was looking for. She wants to be her caretaker. So creepy.
Bullseye
@E R this
@@coagulatedsalts4711 you can say her name. omg
sia’s relationship with maddie is so,..weird and uncomfortable but thank u for including it. i saw alot of people blaming maddie despite the fact that she was a literal kid obviously being manipulated by a close adult figure
SHIT I DIDNT KNOW MADDIE WAS A KID ???? That’s so fucking creepy 🤮🤮
Yes it’s weird
She somehow still had far more common sense at age 16 than middle aged woman Sia.
She’s like a modern-day Mother Gothel. Absolutely sickening.
@@lgbtqiarights Since it was filmed in 2017 Maddie was around 16 then probably so yeah, while not a kid still young enough to not quite realize this adult woman is obsessed with her and grooming her and then stepped in to keep her from a role while also making her do something she felt not comfortable doing (aka Music). (I realize now the video says 14 at time of filming so even worse)
as an autistic person, music reminds me more of these bullies i faced in school who ‘acted autistic’ to mock me 💀
i’m also in pure shock with how this movie depicted deep pressure therapy. you NEVER slam someone onto the ground and crush them like that. especially if they’re having a meltdown, that’s genuinely insane
as an autistic person, the teeth over the lips, the wide eyes and widening nostrils, the moving hands and other body parts in odd ways - seeing this on maddie ziegler, a neurotypical person, hurts SO deeply. no allistic person understands what stimming and that type of body language feels like for an autistic person and seeing it mocked is so upsetting
I read that even Maddie didn’t want to do this, that she broke down crying on set because she realizes how offensive her portrayal was. But it was Sia’s fault, she forced her to play this role against her will. As an autistic person, I feel sorry for Maddie, she really didn’t want to do this.
I am autistic, and this is just so true that it hurts.
@@karenstrong6734 I agree, it's awful what they did to Maddie. I can't believe Sia had the audacity to do that to her.
I can only imagine how frustrating that would be! Sorry you had to see this
shite.
I would recommend watching Temple Grandin (in case you haven't seen it before) Claire Danes (event hough she's neurotypical) gives a great performance and her performance shows great respect for the life of Dr. Grandin and the real life Dr. Grandin
as an autistic person, ive never felt more offended by sia's interpretation of my disorder. no, it can't even be called an interpretation. it's just that horribly god-awful.
My classmate acts like the girl here except she speaks and is more agressive
It's what Split is to DID, stigmatising and horrible
I hate how I can just see her being so happy for the "repersentation" and "help" she provided to what she probably saw as a group of "poor, suffering people". So many movies about disabled people are just full of the atmosphere that the person making them thought that making a movie full of ofensive steryotypes about a disorder made them some sort of saviour. It's disgusting. She felt people would lick her feet with how greatful they would be, and when they were offended instead, she went off the deep end.
To quote Michael Jackson:
🎶 “You are not alone.” 🎶
Same, we aren't just daydreaming like druggies
The fact that she’s telling autistic people to watch a movie that could cause sensory issues while claiming she’s researched autism is just really infuriating
Researched for 3 years but with no work to show.
Amazing.
She didn’t know those obvious things about autism showing that despite of what she said she did no research at all which makes her incompetent or she did know about those things but she didn’t care which makes her ignorant, either way she sucks
@@crowdemon_archivesshe confused years with seconds
we sure SHE isn't on the spectrum? because as someone with autism...i'm seeing a lot of telling signs with her.
@@BigHailFan if she was autistic she would have realized how messes up her work was from the start she would have felt uncomfortable while making it, she taught Maddie how to make the sounds and the stims and it looked awful so she definitely didn’t make a good job because it didn’t come naturally to her as it would for someone who’s autistic, if Sia was autistic she would have said it years before the movie was released because “an autistic person is making a movie about autism” sounds better than “a neurotypical person who has an autistic friend is making a movie about autism”, and even if she is in the spectrum it only makes her case even worse, HOW IGNORANT YOU HAVE TO BE TO MAKE AN INSULTING AND PATRONIZING REPRESENTATION OF YOUR OWN GROUP?!?
Everyone’s like “how did Maddie’s parents not find Sia creepy??” like have you SEEN dance moms they ain’t gonna give a shit 💀💀💀
As an autistic person, this movie made me go “ew.” I feel so so bad for Maddie. She seems like such a nice girl I would love to be friends with who understands what she was forced to do was wrong.
right like maddie pls get out of there 🙁 poor girl didn’t even wanna do it, she literally cried because she didn’t want people to think she was mocking them 😔
Where to watch the movie
@Blank Space ?
My thoughts exactly, I couldn't have said that any better myself if I tried
I always thought Sia was autistic and masking, but as the artist she truly is as the chosen mask. Being in that world of autism people are going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise. I felt as if "music" might be what she suppresses. If that is true she should be bold enough to say it if she is bold enough to make a movie about it. I also thought she made Maddie Ziegler to be a little Sia. Isn't that clear? Am I missing something? Now I haven't seen the movie and because of that I can't and won't take what this review says as fact. I also don't follow Sia or Maddie that much, but it always seemed to me like Sia's music was the cry of her heart and Sia always hid and let "Maddie" be who she really and actually was behind the masking. If Sia is autistic, and honestly I am shocked to see the above video not saying that she is, I always thought she was, then isn't this movie her feeling on herself in a way? Her finding her voice through music? Right or wrong, that's what art is, expression of ones own thoughts to be shared with others in a creative way. Even the quote on it not being ablism as much as it was... I don't know, that quote felt taken out of context to make another point and assumed direction that was beyond biased. So are people canceling her art, her thoughts, or autistic her for not being the right way as an autistic person? I am not even saying Sia knows what to do or that she is doing the right thing. My point is she clearly pours herself into what she creates so that's why she takes this as a personal attack. Autistic or not SIA IS MUSIC. Healthy or not she protects Maddie in the way she wished someone would have protected her. We can't clear up this stuff. God clear it up and help innocent or well meaning people not to be harmed. Forgive us all for the many times we screw up and don't know how to handle ourselves.
She acts like nonverbal people can’t express themselves, my school gave nonverbal students tablets that did text to speech and they were all perfectly able to communicate their thoughts
Every single one? Wow, I'm glad it worked out for them!
My oldest has a tablet. And the app he uses is a shameful $300 but it works. He can ask for things, they're still working on him expressing himself when he gets upset, and also answering "who what when" questions. But they can! He can! It's a ton of work for him, but I'm so proud of him for doing it.
From my understanding, they have a speech tablet for Music in this movie but for some reason it's extremely, extremely basic and doesn't allow Music to truly express herself. This makes sense as a directorial choice because let's face it, 'Music' is not about understanding the character Music or understanding autism. Music is just a backdrop to Kate Hudson's character development, she's literally treated only as a prop.
@@ElizaKnows may i ask you what the name of the app is? My cousin is also autistic and cant talk so maybe he could use it.
@@Kesha102tik LAMP words for life, though your cousins school probably will do a "trial " period with a whole bunch of different tools and see which one is good for them. That said, my son has had great success with lamp
Maddie and Sia's relationship is one wrong move away from being a Netflix documentary
WIEJEJEJE HELP 😭😭😭
It really does seem like Sia is grooming the poor girl.
@@HonkLoserShe'll probably pull out an ukulele to apologize in the future lol.
It reminds me of what Michael Jackson did except somehow Sia didn't get her life ruined for it. @@HonkLoser
@@ashkitt7719What did he do?
I’m not autistic, but I met an autistic girl once while I was in a psych ward. She was covered in bruises, head to toe. Any silver of skin that she showed was purple. I learned two things from Jessica. One, autistic people are fucking strong. At one point, the hospital I was at put me and Jessica in a room together. She was mostly non verbal, and when she did speak all she would say is “Florida” and things about animals. I thought she was harmless to me, I was very very wrong. She ended up getting a bit overstimulated and she ended up having an episode and clocked me right in the shoulder. Second, she taught me a lot about humanity. The nurses, to get Jessica to calm down during her episodes, would tell her that she was going home, she was going to get to see her mom again. That was a lie.
Damn jessica now has trust issues probs
@@Charl._.s1ms unfortunately, Jessica will never be able to differentiate the truth from lies. She will keep believing them, no matter what. Because it’s what she hopes, that it’s true, that she will go home
That's so incredibly fucked up. The way some mentally ill people are treated is so horrifying
That's so fucked up it's not even funny
@@BlinkTvvice i wasnt trying to be funny
The obsession with Maddie is SO CREEPY. I feel so bad for Maddie because sia pressured her into playing the role even as a CHILD.
I have a bad feeling that Maddie will have a difficult adulthood hopefully it does not lead to addiction or death. She's extremely talented.
Having said, I have a bad feeling that _Dancing Moms_ and her work with Sia excluding MUSIC will not age well. _Chandelier_ is a beautiful song and video. Let's hope the best for Maddie and hoping she could get a restraining order from working with Sia ever again.
It's a terrifying awful feeling to have a creepy obsession with someone... that's stalking. I know that, we all know that. Humans are humans, they need space.
I have autism and honestly they seemed to have just googled most common autism symptoms and then went to the last page of google
Too good they probably used bing to search that
I have autism too, and I agree.
They probably watched American Dad takes on autism and extrapolated from there.
Also jesus fuck that restraint scene.
True af
It's sad how this is what a lot of people think about autism, even doctors sometimes. It's so shitty. People are not a list of symptoms. You have to actually see them and listen to them and talk to them to understand what they're like. Folks don't even stop to think how these "symptoms" actually affect our lives. For instance, I have never seen an autistic character in which the whole "can't tell when people are lying" thing actually makes them LESS trusting of people or paranoid. Ya know why? Because no one ever _thinks_ about it.
Of course the movie isn't about the autistic person, but how the others have to "deal" with them.
To all the future filmmakers and the ones that are working right now if you’re going to make a story about the artistic character get artistic people to help you or write it because Nortypical people can show a proper perspective even if they try really hard so if you want a accurate and good representation of us on the autistic spectrum get autistic riders producers actors and anyone else that is autistic because the best way to show the perspective of someone in a marginalised community is to get people from the marginalised community to write act and tell or help with the story
@ I completely understand where you’re coming from example I am autistic and I am really don’t know much about it but that’s mainly because I only been told for about a couple of years now I was just putting out my personal opinion so yeah hope I didn’t upset you
@ I think you misunderstand me.
theory: sia's fantasy is being an autism mom, thats why she casted maddie as the autistic person, made all the promotion about her, and then only gave depth to the neurotypical people who had to take care of her
That’s where Autism Speaks fits like a fucking glove. This movie is about perpetuating pity for those who have to suffer through supporting an autistic person. That’s why it’s easy for Sia to say “we made this with love for the autistic community” - because AS puts caregivers at the center of the autistic community and actual autistic people at the periphery. It almost makes sense how she was able to delude herself into believing this was what the community wanted, as long as she was only paying attention to a fraction of the community.
I never understood the media’s desire to portray autism as this whimsical, childlike state where those who have it are just these innocent beings who can’t understand the complexities of the outside world. It just seems so patronizing!
I have a friend who has autism, but you would never guess that he does if he passed by on the street. He’s an everyday Joe who likes old cars. The only way you could maybe tell is that sometimes he’ll miss a social cue. The only way I found out is because he told me in passing while we were playing a party game, and that was only after we became friends.
And, yes, obviously Music has a much worse condition than my friend, but the point is that nonverbal autism is only a portion of the overall community. So when the media constantly harps on the more severe cases of it, it just becomes annoying to sit through. And I can’t imagine people who do have cases as bad as this feel any better, especially since it isn’t even portrayed correctly. Autism impacts the nervous system, impairing the ability to communicate or interact to varying degrees, but it’s not fuckin acid! Shit like this just comes off as demeaning, and I pretty guarantee he would make fun of it if we were to watch it!
I honestly feel so bad for Maddie for being forced into this position. Sia can say she had “final say” but we all know that under that kind of pressure from someone important to us we wouldn’t feel comfortable saying no
Creepy abusive people will always act like the people that are dependent on them can "talk openly about everything" but the moment their victims open their mouth they are talked down, gaslit and just treated with extreme condescension until they give up. Sia strikes me as a person manipulating everyone around her until only the people feeding her with praise are left.
@@AlexisHiemis that's the most accurate description of people who think that all white people are raycist and that poc can't be raycist. Lol
I don’t. She chose to do this film. The slooot should know better. I hate her so much.
@@cocofellas she was 14...
@@DerIrreLeWand You're not wrong. 😥
One day, when Maddie is no longer with SIA, there will be interviews and books about how creepy and weird shit is. If SIA was a man, no one would tolerate this kind of shit.
You're absolutely right
I think it would be creepy if maddie was a boy or if it was a man and a girl. It makes a little more sense that maddie would be her protege. Not saying that their relationship isn't inappropriate
well yeah no shit if she was a man everyone would be like somewhat uneasy
@@hinatashimeluv7464 Maddie was 14 when this was filmed and is only 17 now...she’s still a girl.
True that. I feel like people don't touch on how women can be that way enough.
When they said
“She’s incapable of change”
I think what they meant was
“Her autism isn’t something to be “cured”
“It’s part of who she is”
They really should’ve have phrased that better 😬
Even though the movie had Autism Speaks, an organisation that researches looking for a cure for autism (eugenics as it's referred to in the search engine), consulted for it. That's why Autism Speaks uses a puzzle piece for its logo.
@@aussieman3021 Autism speaks is a terrible organization anyways.
@@aussieman3021 they said autism speaks wasn't involved during the production and all that only years later for advertisement ig
@@מעין-צ9ג except she did "three years of research" working on a whole ass movie without realizing how harmful Autism Speaks is. Something that took me a few days since realizing I might be autistic, but I didn't actively look them up, instead TH-cam recommended me a video by one of autistic creators who talk about autism related subjects
@@Kasiarzynka I wasn't defending her or them just pointing out they weren't on the production. She's ableist enough herself it's fine no need to Blane them for this it was all her
I can kinda see why Sia wanted to hide half her face for a while, unfortunately seeing her talk about this music, full expressions - makes her way less likable when you actually see her as a regular ass person, not this “mystery artist”
(I mean she only started wearing the insane wigs once she was skyrocketed into stardom, so a lot of folks didnt know she was pretty popular beforehand. She seemed likable back then, she didnt have an art slave)
“Oh I know how to calm her” *body slams her and pins her to the floor*
"I know how to cook" *puts food in freezer*
@@extrasalt5303 "I know how to walk" *faceplants into the ground*
Wrestlers: *I'm sooo relaxed during a match*
@@extrasalt5303 🤣🤣😭
WWE wants to talk
Sia really gives Mother Gothel “mother knows best” vibes....😬
No
Sia is literally
What if Mother Gothel Is A Pop Musician And Like Controlling Children
That was Sia in a Nutshell
Yeah and as person with disability shame on Sia. Sia needs to shut down her movie what a shame.
Mother DOESNT know best here
She gives Coraline's other mother vibes. And thats creep
Except mother knows best is an actual banger. After Sia’s music (And learning that she is an ableist, child groomer and hypocrite), none of Sia’s songs are bangers.
I don't care what anyone says, Maddie shouldn't be held accountable for this, she was basically manipulated by Sia
Maddie is also under contract. She doesnt really have a choice. Its Sia's movie the actors/actresses are just playing the parts
I agree with you.
I agree. She's a young girl being manipulated and directed into doing offensive and rude portrayals, and she doesn't know. I feel awful for her.
@@xyz-ml4ny no you're not wrong she did let sia know that she wasn't really comfortable with it or how people would take it but she discarded it
Sia as the adult in the situation promised Maddie no one would be offended when she expressed concern, as if, that’s something she could promise about anything let alone something this controversial. Honestly Maddie is a victim. She handled the situation about as well as she could have.
I have an autistic son, and love movie reviews. I’ve seen this video like 10 times, I’ll see it 10 more. We appreciate you man.
It doesn’t have to be sexual for someone to groom kids. This obsession with being Maddie’s “bonus mom” is reeeeaaally disturbing. Maddie’s parents really need to keep her far away from sia as possible
This whole thing is just SCREAMING problematic. Just wait will twitter does it’s thing.
400th like
Sia had that videoclip with the bidrcage that had obvious pedo overtones, and is an usual practice in hollywood the music industry and etc
Well she was on dance moms so she just needa get immancipated at this point
Yes! Finally somebody notices! I'm so happy that I WASN'T the only person to notice!
It definitely seems like Maddie is being groomed. My heart broke even more when I found out she was on Dance Moms. That poor girl has been through so much. No child deserves this.
Girl that’s the only reason you even know her nAme. Is dance moms. Jesus
i agreeeee
@@Gucciblackberry ???
Dude! You took the exact words out of my mouth! She is being groomed! Sia is doing exactly what she claims she's protecting Maddie from, honestly Maddie should drop Sia completely if not give it some space, this not healthy at all. I'm a bit grossed out to be honest 🤢🤮
@@viabat that's creepy as hell.
It felt like when middle schoolers "act disabled" as a way of making fun of someone
nah it's more on the elementary achool level with how poorly it was executed
Frankly, the teeth-over-the-lips portrayal was reminiscent for me of Amanda Bynes’ sketch show on Nickelodeon where she would portray a mentally damaged hillbilly.
bro some kids at my hs pretend to have tourette’s but they only do it when they remember they supposedly have it, but we can’t say anything abt it cuz then we’d get yelled at
Some "so-called normal" grown-ups still act like middle schoolers.
@@olivialebron5087 if you really think they’re faking (as someone with a tic disorder) ignore their tics completely cuz they’re doing it for attention. Give them no attention and eventually they will stop trying. This way if they’re not faking then no one is harmed
as an autistic person, seeing how restrainment is handled in this movie is completely terrifying.
It freaked me out, and I'm not even diagnosed autistic.
same
You’ve got to be kidding me. I don’t have autism, but I have experienced breakdowns in the past. What type of parent would film and PUBLICLY POST videos of their own children in immense distress?? That pisses me off.
The kind of people that believe that children should love their parents no matter what.
I have autism, and if I remember well, my mom took videos of my breakdowns when I was a kid because my doctor told her to?
Still kinda insulting, if I'm being honest
All children deserve parents, not all parents deserve children.
My parents try to talk to me during an outbreak, 100% better than recording it in any way
No parent can avoid making mistakes, especially when they are completely lost about what they have to do. Parents of autistic children can be more lost than any parent with "normal" child, often even more than with other special conditions as lake of communication can be pretty strong with ASD.
I don't know where is the boundary between toxicity, simple desperate mistake, cry for help... it's very hard to tell, IMO this is a matter of case by case evaluation.
It always creeps me out when people are obsessed with the idea of "purity". I know it's unfounded, but it always gives me pedovibes when I hear people glorify purity
Without context, I fully agree with you. However, it really comes down to the reason it's being praised. For example, a person could be referring to racial purity, genetic purity, purity of perception, or many different forms of purity which have nothing to do with sexual purity, but even that isn't inherently a bad thing.
Purity, regardless of form, is something that can never be recovered once it's lost, which makes it precious. A glass of pure water is ruined once a speck of dust lands in the water. Although you could theoretically filter the dust out, the water itself has been affected by the mere presence of the dust, and it will never regain its prior status as a pure glass of water.
This is actually one of the problems that the NSDAP ran into when they implemented the Nuremberg Laws. Because of the lack of racial purity, they ended up authorizing Reich Citizenship to be given to people who had up to 50% jewish blood. If it was that hard to find purity in the mid 1930s, just imagine how much harder it is today.
However, I do believe that this Sia character may indeed have the potential to become a pedophile, if she is not already. That bit about sharing a bed with a child was seriously crossing the line.
@@midnightshadow1491 I'm sorry dude but... With maybe the water being the exception, all your examples of purity are equally unsettling.
@@marybutler9250 I suppose it is quite a controversial topic, even if unnecessarily so. That said, I'm not going to stand on a soapbox and attempt to convince you that I am correct and that you are wrong. No, I believe that everybody should look at the facts, consider the evidence, and draw their own conclusions. If you decide to look further into this matter, I assure you it will be interesting.
Yeah like i am autistic and if someone would say im "pure" i would think something like "what the actual fuck just shut up" (And im not pure to make that clear)
@@midnightshadow1491 by trying to show how there's nice ways of 'purism worship' you just furthered our argument. The idea of purity could be represented in other terms... innocence, naivety... The idea of purity, of a 'natural, original state' we should return to is so stupid (specially 'cause it has no connection to factual reality). Your examples have just shown us that any type of necro-cult of purity points to a fucked up mindset...
her obsession with maddie is so weird dude she was literally a child and the fact she keeps butting herself into maddies life it’s gross
It's absolutely disgusting, yeah
right? I hope Maddie’s doing ok
Literally
She's 100% grooming her
Yeah, who ever heard of smth like that happening
I have an autistic cousin and seeing the way autism is being portrayed in this movie actually just makes me sick to the stomach🤢
“Crushing her with my love” sounds like what Sia is doing to Maddie. It’s messed up. Sia is a groomer and doesn’t want to find new supply as a narcissistic personality.
Yes! I believe it's called '' Love Bombing ''
@@breakfastattiffanys741 What's love bombing?
it
@@popsicIes Influcing a person with demonstrates of love and attention. Overwhelming the person with it. It can be used both negatively and positively. In this case it is negative.
@@popsicIes Love bombing is often what abusive people/bad friends/emotionally manipulative family do after hurting someone, too (thier feelings, thier other relationships, thier things, even physically)- they suddenly are super apologetic, super nice and overly thoughtful, maybe buying you something they normally wouldn't, in order to win your forgiveness OR get something from you they wanted, or to simply keep you around when you start pulling away because you are noticing thier poor treatment of you. As soon as they get what they want they stop. It can last hours or even months. It's never a good sign.
Something I like to say is that the movie industry thinks that labels are character traits. They're not. A gay person is still a person. An autistic person is still a person. There's more to us than just labels.
Source: I'm autistic with a gay brother who are both tired of seeing these tropes in media.
@A Zee Unfortunately, the more natural route is far less common because it requires these things called subtlety and respect, and tact. Things that are very rare among modern writers.
Gonna have to disagree, only leftist pandering material treats gays as being 100% gay tropes. Plenty of media shows gay men as actual real people who happen to be gay (supernatural has at least a couple episodes showing this). Lefties are the ones who think sexuality is a personality trait
@@jamesduncan6729 Was a bit surprised to see you mention Supernatural of all things lol. I'm pretty sure lots of queer people are on the left, so if there are shows that have a non-realistic portrayal of gay people, it would be corporate companies trying to cash grab by pandering to their targeted audience (ahem, Disney, ahem). I've watched a lot of movies outside of Hollywood that has excellent queer portrayal, and only some of it has something to do with politics.
@@jamesduncan6729 I’m also surprised you specifically bring up supernatural because out of all the decent or pretty good portrayals of queer people in movies and tv shows, I wouldn’t consider it really even having any. I suppose it does sort support gay people and it’s a step above some other shows? But considering how it ended and just, everything about it, it’s not the example I’d choose.
@@kaykeunil yeah, I don't watch "queer content." Nobody talks or behaves like me (y'know, a normal guy who just happens to like guys)
I only mentioned that show because I've seen a few episodes and one included a gay couple that just looked like normal guys. No dumb lisps, no fruity obnoxious voice.
I am really concerned about Maddie's mental health. She's been taught and possibly forced to almost completely rely on Sia (or so it seems) and this has been going on for years.
not to mention from what i heard her relationship with kenzie her lil sis isnt always great and kenzie was the one who leaked pics of maddie
@Call Me AK it’s not normal to have sleepovers with adults
Strong Jacko vibes.
@@emma_nutella58 I had sleepovers with adults, and I ensure you nothing weird happened. But yeah, this can be a potential red flag...
@@Nephelis But were they with a single adult with no other kids w/ you?