Sia's Autism Movie is Terrible & Insulting
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00:00 - Intro
1:46 - What is ‘Music?’ & Why is it bad?
3:55 - The Maddie Ziegler Casting Controversy & Sia’s Meltdown
7:06 - Sia’s Relationship with Maddie Ziegler
10:44 - Terrible, Offensive Portrayal of Autism
13:25 - Poor Research, No Input from Autistic Community
16:37 - Music as a Prop, Marginalised & Infantilised
19:19 - Condescending towards Autistic People
20:55 - The Restraint Scenes
24:42 - Sia: The Reckoning
26:17 - Wasted Potential & Conclusion
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@@iamnotgonnagiveyoumyname1373 is that sarcasm/irony
Bro your last 2 or 3 videos aren’t showing up in your videos tab, I can send you a screenshot if you like
@@iamnotgonnagiveyoumyname1373 You got the whole crew laughing
First furry
@@milktea6676 No you're not :)
I've been saying this for literally years- Sia's obsession with Maddie is pathological and unhealthy. Sleepovers in the same bed with an unrelated minor who depends on you for an income and for psychological validation are not okay. This is grooming. She wants Maddie to be totally dependent on her. I can't fathom how Melissa permits this to go on. They traded one monster for another.
How is this not a massive red flag of either a very inappropriate relationship or just outright grooming? Given most of celebrity culture though they won't call it out on their own without being a net positive to their internal political capital.
I'm so glad other people are seeing this is a weird and unhealthy relationship...
Melissa let her have a really unhealthy relationship with Abby for years so really it’s not surprising at all
It's the level of posessiveness. It's the fact that Sia can't bear the thought of Maddie exploring her career potential on her own. Sia is literally controlling and manipulating Maddie's every single movement to keep possession of her. It's probably why she has "so many projects" for Maddie, just so she can't go off on her own.
It kinda seems weird to me (though I don't really know about either case) but that there having been so many problems when Michael Jackson had 'sleepovers' that Sia didn't think to not have them - Even just to protect herself.
Historically things aren't great when an adult invites someone elses child for a sleepover with them. (I don't get it...)
Hey there, I'm autistic, and no, we do not in fact see the world like we're constantly taking LSD.
fr
I am atusic and I wish I did
As a fellow autistic person, the only unusual thing about my vision is the fact my left eye is fucked and I need glasses for it.
i'm on the spectrum and i can confirm the only time i feel like im on LSD, is when im on LSD
@@MiniMia48 Same. When I have both of my eyes open, my eyesight is fine, but my left eye is blurry when it’s the only eye I’m using while the right one is fine.
I feel awful for Maddie, her crying about not wanting to offend people just demonstrates how uncomfortable she was with the role. Sia is so creepy.
She was scared of being punished.
@@Varnicusshe’s a child. She shouldn’t have been punished anyways.
She went full r**ard as they say in Tropic Thunder, that was her mistake
If a 14 year old can tell how awful your scripts are you’re probably doing something wrong.
I find it disturbing that sia imitated her crying. Like… that’s not what I would do if I were concernedly repeating to other adults something a kid had told me while crying? Because that would feel really mean?
they could've had her name still be related to music by naming her "Melody" 1000 times better
melody is a better name than music ngl, probably one of the reasons why Amy Pond chose it.
@@BlakesFNAFStuff yeah i think thats what they are saying
Yes! Also maybe “Musa” (like the music fairy from The Winx Club) or “Música” (“music” in Spanish)
harmony, cadence, songbird (although it sounds more like a nickname), etc.
The name music is like naming someone cello or music note and melody is a beautiful name
Using this movie to teach about autism is like using GTA to learn how to drive.
You mean that's not how you're supposed to drive?
Funny you say that,because I used the PC version of San Andreas and a racing wheel peripheral,to practice for my road test.
Passed,first time : )
@@everyotheryoutubeuser6159 Didn't take it as a challenge.
Just recounting a tale from my youth ; )
I understand your point but they use gta5 for AI to learn how to drive
But you can actually learn how to drive from gta
“Oh I know how to calm her” *body slams her and pins her to the floor*
"I know how to cook" *puts food in freezer*
@@extrasalt5303 "I know how to walk" *faceplants into the ground*
Wrestlers: *I'm sooo relaxed during a match*
@@extrasalt5303 🤣🤣😭
WWE wants to talk
as an autistic person, the way she says "special abilities" instead of disabilities is just gross 💀
Like no it's just a disability 😬
I am autistic. That means, by definition, I'm disabled. Would I care if someone called me disabled, but not insultingly or mockingly? No, because I am disabled. Would a Spanish man get offended if you called him Spanish? No, because, technically he is a Spanish man. People don't get offended by labels(most of the time) unless you use them in a mocking or rude fashion.
Just call me a slur at that point. At least then I don't need to deal with the condescending fake support 💀
I- I thought the inoffensive term was differently abled? (Plz don't obliterate me I'm genuinely trying to learn)
@@callumcuthbertson5485 Disabled isn't an offensive term when not used as an insult. The entire "differently-abled" thing was championed by parents of autistic people, usually to avoid the stigma of being a parent of a disabled child. It's sort of a fake ally term. It's extremely condescending
As an Autistic, It feels like that Sia didn’t even care about the whole “representing the community” thing, Sia just wanted to make a movie for Maddie because of her suspiciously unhealthy obsession with a minor
Mac: Frank, there is no worse way to make people think you’re not a diddler than by writing a song about it!
Literally. Hearing about her relationship with Maddie made me feel so creeped out. I can't believe she doesn't realise how inappropriate that is... Although she made Music so yeah maybe she is just truly delusional 👀
True. Sia only thought about money same as the "short notice" actors. They're really only pissed they don't get to become a star. They don't actually care about autism. But who can be shocked since that's how everything works. Just sucks we can't call it out
I think that she wanted to make a movie for Maddie and made the character autistic because actors cripping up and being inspoporn usually get great reveiws and awards for being 'so brave' to do that and to try and increase awareness.
Problem is that the movie overall was a very bad movie, so who knows how it would have gone if Sia could have actually written and directed well.
facts. also 700th like :)
Sia: I keep writing roles for maddie to keep her safe
this sounds like a toxic relationship where they're trying to isolate their partner so they don't ever leave them
Yup
That's exactly what it is. An adult having such an obsession with a teenager who isn't related to them is not an okay situation and is most definitely toxic.
It sounds like she's been grooming Maddie to use her to profit.
She should let Maddie decide her own paths and let her have a choice.. it just feels like Maddie is being peer pressured by her.. I really don't want to say this cause I actually love Sia and Maddie relationship.. but this has gone too far..
I watched a few episodes of “Dance Moms” and Maddie went from one toxic relationship with Abbie Lee Miller to another one with Sia. And Maddie’s mother seems to be a pageant mom who has always desperately wanted her daughter in the spotlight, so I am believe she has played a role in enabling these relationships.
Sia: this movie is for Autistic people
Movie: tries it’s hardest to be as loud, bright and overwhelming as possible
Translation, this movie was made to combat autistic people.
The movie was really just made for inspiration porn and the "poor caregivers of these dumb disabled people 🥺🥺🥺"
Those are the vibes I got: autistic people are all dumb and childlike and "inanimate objects like wigs" and the 'caregivers' are the poor underrepresented people who need people to bow down and worship their sacrifice
@@aliensandinternetdrama5169 yes and Gilbert movie
Honestly some autistic adults are loud but generally if you're loud and autistic you're a kid and haven't learned how to control your volume levels. Now i mean with general autism but being on spectrum is different you could be on the autism spectrum and have aspergers syndrome which is different as far as behavior. With autistic ppl they are normally pretty quiet as teenagers and adults, due to there intense sensory issues. This is specifically regarding high functioning autism, i don't have a ton of experience with low functioning or different things on the spectrum. Anyway this is absolutely horrific.
omg it was so difficult to watch and i was literally hitting my ears like crazy just trying to watch it. i couldnt even watch it all the way because i started panicking.
If a male had the same relationship with another younger guy as sia does with maddie it would be called grooming
Its grooming either way? But I get what you mean, more people would call it out if sia was a man
@@OliveisherenowI think they mean that it would be “more seen” as grooming, other than seeing it as “a mother-daughter type relationship”
Michael Jackson did this.
It'd be more apparent if sia was a man and was just hanging out with a young girl
I think she is grooming her, but not in a sexual sense (I fucking hope.) More in the sense of the other definition, “preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity.” It seems to me that she’s trying to get Maddie to become a kind of “Mini-Sia.” That way when Sia gets to a point where she’s too old for the entertainment industry, Maddie can take over that role, or rather, she *will* take on that role because it’s pretty much all she knows. But I don't know, maybe I’m reading too much into it.
i’m autistic, and if someone pinned me to the ground with their body while i was having a meltdown it would definitely make it way, WAY worse.
Yeah I remember as a child literally running away from people trying to calm me down when I had a meltdown from being over stimulated and they didn't even try to hold me down
Yeah but..what if they said that they are crushing you with their love?!?! Like what the actual fuck is that??
I would freak the fuck out. My stepfather went to touch my face during a meltdown and I started punching him.
Maddie Ziegler’s mother has seemingly sold her daughter to Sia.
Seemingly 💀💀💀 she def sold her
Well Abbey Lee Miller went to jail, so she had to make money somehow
Lucky Epstein lowballed
Maddie’s mum sold her to Abbie at a very young age, she just transferred that ownership to Sia. There is a reason Maddie’s dad wanted full custody of both girls when he divorced Melissa.
Am I the only one who finds it so weird that they sleep in the same bed ?? If the genders where reversed .....
“Autistic people are pure.”
Being an autistic person, that’s so condescending. Why is it so hard to treat us like actual people?
@@bobw1678 uhh people who are conservative are more like that to me than the liberal ones
@@bobw1678 also i don’t know any liberals who claim to be “rich”
@@bobw1678 why are you making ableism a political thing? what does this have to do with politics? why are you making our lives about politics? you suck.
Wtf I'm autistic and that's a compliment.
@@bobw1678 there was no need to bring politics into this. thats not what this is about bob... 😕
Things wrong with this movie!
1. Sia didnt bother doing proper research on Autism
2. Maddie didnt want to do this movie.
3. The outcome is terrible and forced
4. Sia doesnt care about anything above
you forgot that its shot like vomit and its bad on the eyes.
Sia’s use of “specially abled” instead of disabled just proves further of how little she did her research
The fact that Maddie was actually pretty scared that she was accidentally offending the autistic community with her acting when shooting this movie and cried at one point while Sia just brushed it off and said "it's fine" makes me feel bad for Maddie
Same
I know, it’s like Maddie knew it wasn’t right and the way Sia like joked about it and brushed those concerns aside; that poor girl.
When a child knows more than the supposed adult in the group...=.=
I just hope people aren't throwing the poor girl under the bus for this.
Yeah, I feel bad for Maddie as well.
I heard that Sia is like...grooming her and has a weird obsession with her. She definitely needs to be saved from this woman...
Sia is creepily obsessed with Maddie, I don’t know why people didn’t realize this before.
She was creepy before.......
@@lordphatquaad8133 yeah
Can I know more on why she is so obsessed with Maddie.Im not saying she is not obsessed with Maddie she’s crazy
It all started in 2014
Yeah, not to pull the double standard card but I feel like if this exact realtionship was between a man and a boy it would be perceived as very creepy
Ableism aside for a second…is she *NOT* grooming that girl?!
Everyone says narcissistic parent akin to Mother Gothel- kind of, but no. Mother Gothel left Rapunzel aallllll alone in her tower and only visited her to use her hair. That’s neglectful not indulgent. Rapunzel had to practically beg her to make her soup, and the only thing she’d bring her is paint. Not to mention this is a Disney movie, not real life.
Sia has Maddie living across the street from her and they frequently have sleepovers *alone, in the same bed,* Sia is basically controlling her income since Maddie gets all/most of her roles from her, she’s trying to be a surrogate mother for Maddie’s arguably neglectful mother, the gifts, trips, obsessive interest/attention to her, just Google the signs of a groomer and it’s Sia.
She didn’t even care when Maddie was noticeably and verbally upset with playing the character, Sia just wanted to do whatever she wanted with her.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Maddie comes out speaking more about what went on with her relationship with Sia at some point/if she realizes that’s what was going on. At the very least it’s an incredibly toxic and codependent relationship.
Poor Maddie just keeps being bounced around from abusive monster to abusive monster.
Gothel surprised Rapunzel with hazelnut soup the first time, then decided to make it again after she "saved" her from the Stabbington Brothers and Rapunzel "witnessed Flynn's betrayal", AND Rapunzel asked for new paint for her birthday as an excuse to get Gothel out of the tower so she could go and see the lanterns.
Also, did Sia say anything about how she made Maddie live across the street from her or that it was a coincidence or something? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just asking.
Plus I doubt anything will be done unless it becomes sexual, even if just the total control and manipulation and obsession is already really bad…
Y'know, after hearing how Sia kept control of Maddie Ziegler from the age of 11, and you see her dancing around in skin colored tights in Chandelier, puts the whole music video in a *very* bad light, doesn't it?
I definitely notice that know 😬
Watch elastic heart music video it’s absolutely disgusting
@@tourettesteen222 I was just thinking, Sia not wanting Maddie to do a movie bc the costar "wasn't a good person" is so ironic in hindsight. It was uncomfortable enough when we didn't know what a scumbag he is, now it makes me wanna vom.
The laugh Sia does after “I actually keep writing roles for her to keep her safe”, makes me want to return to monke
It upsets me every time it comes on.
well I mean you should always want to return to monkee
No no no. Remember, "mother knows best" -Mother Gothal
It makes me think she’s not keeping her safe she’s the one putting her in danger. There’s something not right about that relationship.
We should all return to monke. It’s the right choice
Sia: "I keep writing roles for her to keep her safe"
*casts Maddie in an extremely controversial role and then picks fights with people about it on Twitter*
Also she started in Book of Henry, so clearly she failed at keeping her safe. Unless her movie quality standards are just that low.
That DEFINITELY sounds like a healthy, not at all creepy, relationship.
do you want to watch a good movie that represents autistic people in a good way ? watch temple grandin its only 2 hours
@@luisf2793 Is that a bad movie? It comes on the TV every now and then and I haven't seen it, but from the trailers on TV it seemed like a generic horror?
@@monochromedream-eatingbaku ohh trust me this movie is unbelievable bad, but generic is not how I would describe it. Also wouldn't call it a horror movie unless you're describing how horrible it is.
Not the iilluminaughtii jumpscare 💀 sometimes I forget the blair witch was once respected in the video-essay community
As an autistic person, I feel like you should only make a movie about autism if you,
A: Have Autism
B: Are an expert in it
And, there are people who are non autistic that play autistic characters very well! BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND THOSE PEOPLE!
No. That's a dangerous path to go down.
why? if someone is making a movie about any particular topic i don’t find it unreasonable to ensure that person either has experience of their own or has thoroughly researched it. obvs we’re not going to police who can makes movies but sia is a prime example of why
Or, get help from an autistic person or an expert on autism to make the movie.
@@sherriecargal but autistic ppl can have very different experiences and degrees of autism... Could base it around a particular autistic person maybe
Sia reminds me of them crazy ladies that try to steal kids because their own died or something except her own are still alive
If she has her own children, does she even have a relationship with them or is she too obsessed with Maddie lol
ikrrrr thats accurate. and her mom basically sells her to SIA, not surprising since the mom also forced her on the crazy dance moms show
That sounds like an episode of Law & Order SVU in the making, LOL.
that happened to me at a grocery store lmao I didn't know that was that common 😭😰
@Taylor Solomon - Topic “Adopted”
A little girl hanging with a full grown adult, sleep-overs, 'keeping her safe' and her micro-managing her career??? excuse me, why aren't we talking about this???
@@babyrose7830 I don't understand how people like you can take one word and focus on that specific word. If you don't realize why this is wrong then...wow. And we all know that people can be friends regardless of their age it's the way Sia is coming off.
No I understand why Sia comes off as potentially predatory - her obsession with Maddie is strange, wether sexual or not, she should back off a little and give her some space. I don’t think it’s healthy for any random lady to come along and play the mother role when she already has a mother, and then being obsessive ontop of that.
I was reffering mainly to the commenter saying that “a minor hanging out with a grown woman” is a problem.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean the whole comment in general, should’ve pointed that out but i was exhausted
@@babyrose7830 i think the original comment is referring to all of those things together being off?
Michael Jackson
@@babyrose7830 I think you need to look up what a groomer is...because...yep...getting that vibe from SIA.
yes having someone on top of her screaming.."I'm crushing her with my love" was extra cringy. Felt violated just watching it
Yes, I had to skip through these scenes and even then, they made me viscerally uncomfortable. Thinking about them makes me all twitchy.
as someone with asd, i can confirm that just the bright lights and telletubbie costumes alone were enough to make me wanna puke💀
Same, i have Asperger’s and music was so bright it gave me a sick headache. And the representation in music was absolutely terrible we can all agree.
We love it when billion dollar corporations try and stop important conversations 🙃
and when they _do_ “start” important conversations it’s done poorly and stupidly in a dense way. COUGHburgerkingCOUGH
silencing the silenced smh
Ikr
I really hope it gets in peoples recommendations. That sucks.
Ohh! We are so “woke,” as I heard a young whippersnapper say in 2014! Now give us money!
(Someone actually wakes up to a very real problem in modern society and actually discusses it)
No! NO!!! We are not political! We will not upset the status quo that we are benefiting from! Get this actual adult conversation off our site!! Watch cute cat videos, everything is fine. EVERYTHING IS FINE.
I liked sia when she worn the wigs and none of us really knew who she was
@@loturzelrestaurant stop spamming the same comment over and over again
Yeah me too
Only thing I fully knew Sia from was the mlp movie
@@iiomqfaderz XD
its so embarrassing to be a faceless anonymous person , and when you reveal yourself youre a shitty person
Ironic how Sia says she hates musicals when she had the dude who plays Aaron Burr in Hamilton which is a pretty famous musical on her cast 💀
Thats what i said!! And just look at his face while she's trashing musicals, he's so uncomfortable lmao
14:33 ok so that creator is now known to SUCK, so i wanted to add some context:
autism speaks portrays autism in a horrific light, making it out to be this terrible disease that ruins your life and the lives of those close to you... when in reality our brains just work a bit differently. they ALSO have advocated (until late 2016) for finding a cure for autism. autism is highly heritable. they want to find a cure for a brain disorder that is often inherited through parents and present from birth. boy oh boy, that sure does sound concerning!
this of course isn't all the information, and i really do encourage you to google this for yourself! i'm just an autistic person here in the middle of the night doing some spontaneous research on their laptop :)
late night laptop research goes hard ngl
Autism Speaks don't publicly advocate for a 'cure' anymore, they just quietly fund other organisations that are still doing that research. The % of the money raised that goes to actually helping autistic people is pathetically low.
The post that Autism Speaks put out denying that they were involved in the movie was a good one. If you didn't know anything about them you would think that they actually cared about the autistic community.
The thing is, her admitted over-interest in Maddie Ziegler is weird. If she were an older man, it would be alarm bells everywhere, but women can be predators too. The fact that she admitted to “writing projects just to keep her safe”, couldn’t you just replace the word “safe” with “close”? Then she’s calling Maddie’s mom, inserting herself in her career... idk this story is bizarre.
Also- did I hear somewhere that she had Maddie for a sleepover IN THE SAME BED?? If I were her parent my alarm bells would be screaming. In show business, predators are everywhere, and they can be anyone. It’s a sad reality.
they also have sleepovers. and have for years. it’s so fuckingn gross.
they've slept in the same bed together... I'm really concerned for Maddie being around her so much
She had her dancing in a nude bathing suit to a song about getting wasted and dance with a grown man in next to nothing, filmed both things then put them out in public for EVERYONE in the WORLD to see. And we all know that once something is on the internet it is basically there until the end of time. That's not something most parents would want for their child. It was completely inappropriate and inconsiderate to how Maddie may feel about that once she is old enough to have her own life. Imagine if that was you. Not surprised she's still using Maddie today as her toy and tool. It's totally grooming. Her saying she does it to keep her 'safe' is really meaning to keep her under her control. As someone who was groomed at 20 by an older man, I can say it is extremely damaging. I can't imagine how it would have affected me if I had been a minor. I wish Maddie the best in her life so that she may make her own decisions. Sorry, just had to rant since it really bothers me. Not trying to attack anyone here.
Wasn't sleeping in the same bed as a child part of Michael Jackson's scandal? (Or at least, one of them.)
this 👏
i feel extremely bad for maddie. sia is totally obsessed with her, and completely manipulated her into doing this movie, when she didn’t wanna do it in the first place because she didn’t want to hurt others.
Her growing obsession with her is creepy, god mother or not. not to mention her saying she won't make any art unless maddie is apart of it that's just manipulative. i wonder how she's dealing with all the backlash from the community as she didn't want to offend or make fun of anyone.
And convinced her to not take another opportunity because she felt it wasn't right for her... seriously controlling behaviour!
Unfortunately, Maddie has been used by most of the influential adults in her life. Her mother put her on Dance Moms, a TV show that had her in bad situations for “drama”, just so she (and of course the mom herself) could get famous.
While on the show, she was further manipulated by Abby Lee, who clearly is a tyrannical nut job, and shouldn’t be in charge of children ever.
Then Sia “saved her” from Abby Lee, and is doing the EXACT SAME THING. Using her for fame. Using her for extra attention and money.
I don’t think this poor girl has ever gone a year in her life where someone wasn’t trying to use her to get their own attention, or make a profit.
The worst thing about the whole thing is that Maddie apparently came to her in tears concerned that people would think she was making fun of people with ASD and Sia convinced her it was fine. Even Maddie, on some level, knew this wasn’t right at the time.
@@icatfishedyourdad2767 that's sweet, I haven't seen this movie but I'm understanding it is very bad (I'm 31 y.o. autistic) but I will not talk bad about this girl now, knowing how she felt about it in the first place. I guess she did nothing wrong since it wasn't her idea and she even tried to say it. It's a job after all and she did her best.
Got kicked in the brain-testicles by the combo attack of Sia working with Autism Speaks and iilluminaughtii's video coming up.
I have a major issue with the restraint scenes as I'm autistic and I have been dealing with restraining and what she did was not just inappropriate. It was cruel, violent, and all around triggering. Had Sia actually did her research, she wouldn't even have the AUDACITY to include it. I normally don't speak too ill of people, but I wish nothing but her career to fail! I would rather CHOKE then to support her or her projects, her songs included
so, let me get this straight. sia supposedly "fired" another actor that was autistic because she was supposedly uncomfortable in the environment. yet maddie had multiple panic attacks and sobbed on set because she knew it was wrong, and yet sia forced her to do it..?
To make matters worse, there is ample evidence that the "original autistic actress" never existed and that Sia had always planned on casting Maddie Ziegler in the role.
@@epsilonalphaargo1948 if Sia is a male, people will suspect Sia being an obsessed predator. Anything about this makes Sia the same level as being the child predator pretending to be a warm person so that a child can trust them immediately.
I understood that statement to be that Sia was uncomfortable with the autistic actress.
I don’t think she even originally had an autistic actress. I think she went straight to Maddie off the bat
@XOWavey yea, I feel uncomfortable when I saw that music video. The reaction I had on that is the same thing with ‘Cuties’ movie. It’s just so uncomfortable to use kids as a prop for this kind of manner. Sia’s obsession with Maddie is too unhealthy.
Also, the “look, I’m mentally disabled because look at how my teeth stick out” thing has always made me cringe. So bad.
*Ah Yes* because teeth come from the brain.
@@myBquest true. I agree.
@@myBquest Yeah. Don’t know about other autistic people but for me, most facial expressions don’t feel right.
My best friends brother does the teeth stick thing and he does have severe autism. But even then, that’s just him, he’s not the majority
YES
One sick thing is that Maddie Ziegler watched severe meltdowns from autistic kids to „prepare“ for the role…
And it’s mind baffling that they had an autistic actor there to play the role, she was there(!), and they didn’t rethink the writing and didn’t consult and didn’t even care about her needs. They just said „it’s so hard to work with you, we don’t want to accommodate you and make your environment less stressful for you so that you can work without issues“….
That is because there was never an autistic child. When the movie was first announced it was called 'Sister' and Maddie's name was the only one attached. Sia even did interviews saying that she wrote it for Maddie.
When you have a eugenics program telling you your movie was offensive towards people with disabilities you know you did something wrong.
“Why didn’t you use a non-verbal autistic actress?”
“Working with them was too stressful.”
“…isn’t that a plot point in the movie you’re making? About how this person learns how to work with a nonverbal autistic in a productive and compassionate manner?”
“Your point?”
I can't believe Sia.
As an autistic person myself, I can’t believe she would dare to call this crapfest a ‘love letter’ to the autistic community. This isn’t a love letter, it’s a flaming bag of dog shit and a hurtful note thrown into the autistic community’s backyard.
Omg. She missed the whole point
@@titanqueen7217 It is a love letter. From Sia to Sia.
she didn't say it was stressful for her, she said the autistic girl was stressed
I liked Sia more when she were a faceless mysterious artist who just sings and creates songs
She is still my fave :)
@@Victor_Graves you know exactly what I mean lmao
Yeah wtf happened
@@emmahollow8898 ...anyway, you troll...
@@emmahollow8898 are you stupid??? Autism is cognitive, it’s not their fault they don’t act the way you want them to... autistic people have a disability
They could’ve made a movie about a movie about a recovering addict and alcoholic who has to take her of her younger sister,after their grandmother died, and instead of having the younger sister autistic, make her lash out because of grief and have music be her coping mechanism and what brings the sisters back together
As a person with asperger, i confirm that when i go outside i always see random people dancing around with colorful clothes and shiny backgrounds
(This is obviously a joke)
She wanted to make a movie about herself. She sees herself as a misunderstood, suffering, genius, artistic werido. "Oh, that's just like those autistic people isn't it? Plus this will be a great role for this girl I have a creepy relationship with, because it's actually about me, and I'm great!"
So basically every “depressed” teenager on Instagram
Truth spoken right here ☝️
@@chebic5095 me a diagnosed mental garbage fire who doesn't have Instagram anymore: haha I'm *quirky*
@@thatperson278 Um, you okay? Need someone to talk to?
Self idolatry is what happens when someone is confident on how stupid they are
When I was twelve or so, I wrote a cringey poem about a friend's disabled cousin thinking I was deep. My sister told me not to give it to the father, and thank God I was too shy to go through with it. This reminds me of that poem - ignorant, self-righteous, and inherently flawed. At least I was a dumb kid who kept it to myself.
I hope you saved it. Wonderful to be able to look back and cringe at ourselves. Also great for our continued humility.
And IF you have saved it- now that you've given appropriate context, you should definitely share it in a reply for all our benefit. :p
put it on 4Chan, that's greentext level shit right there
Adults are generally kind to 12 year olds, I'm sure your poem would have been received with kindness, depending on what was in it of course!
Lol
At least it's cute cause you were 12 at the time and now a grown up who is self aware
Not like 40yo Sia lmao
The fact that you knew not to share that when you were twelve, and Sia shares... *this* shit... in her 40s...
Really says a lot, doesn't it.
If someone restrained me ANY time I would lose my shit
I used to be considered autistic and I stopped telling people I was because I realized I was treated different. “Oh I didn’t know you were autistic” then starts talking to me like a fkn dog. Like duh! I understand you the exact same way I did before. I noticed in 4th grade in a class I hated because it was talking about how to manage and identify emotions, I tried to ask my teacher “why do I have to learn this! This is something a kindergartner would understand!” Then I saw at the bottom of the worksheet it said “autism awareness” or something like that. At that moment I hated autism, before I thought “oh autism is a good thing!” I now understand that there is a wide spectrum and some autistic people do need help with that. But I felt so mad at the fact that the schools and the people think every autistic person is dumb or something. I have never watched this movie and I never will. Frick sia.
Edit: also I went back to finish this vid and that restraining was in NO way ok. It makes autistic people look lower on like a freaking cast system. We are equal! I believe that this is what causes people like us to get made fun of.
I remember I used to get pulled out of my electives in school to learn basic English. I hated it so much. Apparently it was “required” that I miss 45 minutes of class a week to learn a language I’m already fluent in. All because I was diagnosed with Asperger’s. It didn’t help that my family was all immigrants.
sia’s obsession with maddie is disgusting. she literally always uses her as a doll and i wouldnt be surprised if she had actually groomed her.
Literally! I'm all for women looking out for other women, but listening to the way she talked about maddie made my skin crawl. She openly admitted to her desire to shape maddie's world and keep her "safe" by only doing stuff that she approves of. It doesn't help that she directly refers to maddie as her "muse"; the word "muse" has romantic connotations behind it, so it's reaaaaally sus that she used that specific word instead of something more neutral like "inspiration" or something
Sia very much reminds me of Mother Gothel here and I don't like this.
@Alice Skies calm TF down
@Alice Skies regardless of what you think, it doesn't take much to see that Sia's relationship with Maddie is unhealthy. She exerts a concerning amount of control over Maddie's life and decisions and has openly admitted the depth of which she depends on Maddie (such as that she wouldn't make anything if it didnt involve maddie, that she strives to make things specifically for maddie). Sia appears to be concerningly dependent on Maddie, a CHILD. While I personally don't think she's molested Maddie, their relationship doesn't seem to be healthy and it appears that Sia is ignorant of the amount of influence she exerts over maddie's life
@Alice Skies she literally made a movie that was a caricature of the people she supposedly wants to represent and, even more so, was unwatchable by said community and conveyed dangerous ideas, such as the idea that the correct way to handle a meltdown physically pin a person to the ground. I would be more sympathetic if it wasn't obvious that she put minimal effort into ensuring that the community she was trying to represent was represented faithfully and in a way that accurately represents their lives. Obviously, it's impossible to represent every member of the austism community, but making a character composed of a crude amalgamation of various behaviors that doesnt accurately represent anybody is not the way to go. Plus, she teamed up with autism speaks! Even a cursory google search will bring up some pretty suspicious looking stuff and discussions of how harmful of an organization it is. Intentions are an important consideration when judging someone's actions, but we cant ignore the actual consequences. Yes, Sia meant well, but that doesn't erase the harmful messages she spread about austistic individuals through this movie and her hostile responses following it. And as a famous person who puts herself in the public eye, she is not immune to criticism from others. Nobody is immune from the judgement of others, especially when they have done something that is harmful to others
One day, when Maddie is no longer with SIA, there will be interviews and books about how creepy and weird shit is. If SIA was a man, no one would tolerate this kind of shit.
You're absolutely right
I think it would be creepy if maddie was a boy or if it was a man and a girl. It makes a little more sense that maddie would be her protege. Not saying that their relationship isn't inappropriate
well yeah no shit if she was a man everyone would be like somewhat uneasy
@@hinatashimeluv7464 Maddie was 14 when this was filmed and is only 17 now...she’s still a girl.
True that. I feel like people don't touch on how women can be that way enough.
linking to an iiluminaughtii video aged poorly
what happened?
@@esmedragon1101 id suggest looking it up if you want to know in detail, but to sum it up briefly she was caught plagiarising a lot of her content, and was discovered to have been really abusive towards her former partners and collaborators.
Sia seems like the kind of person in high school that would say the nicest things when they see developmentally disabled kids, then try her best not to giggle and snort when one of her friends calls those kids the r-slur
Yeah no their relationship is very creepy. The fact that even Maddie could tell that the perfomance was going to come off as mockery and Sia just kinda said "nah, it'll be fine" and pressured her to do it is just wrong. And just their whole relationship is weird af.
Edit: Even if it's a mother daughter dynamic it's still toxic especially with the huge power imbalance.
"don't worry those sp3rgs will be f1ne"
"that's an offensive slur sia"
@@ddjsoyenby wait what
Maddie's a smart kid, plenty of youth are more aware now than ever about the struggles minorities face, I'd say it's common sense on her part to feel uncomfortable with the movie. Sia's just.... INSANELY stupid.
Maddie also used to have sleepovers at Sia's house when she was like 11... kinda weird
@@millamilla123 It can depend, I guess. When I was around 4-8 years old I would have sleepovers with a friend of my family (she was like 20), and nothing weird or wrong happened. At least in my eyes, there's nothing weird.
14 year old Maddie crying and saying “I don’t want anyone to think I’m making fun of them” breaks my heart man. The entertainment industry really does not care about forcing children to do something they’re not comfortable with
i think some people in the entertainment industry wouldn't have forced her into the role if she was uncomfortable, i blame sia more
Can you tell me were maddie says that, I really wanna hear 😗
@@User-ks5gv sia said it herself in an interview and said that she reassured maddie that no one would think that
@@bunbun6629 okay thanks!
@@User-ks5gv no problem! i think he included it in the video, if you're curious
I feel so bad for Maddie, she needs to escape the grasp of SIA’s demented control.
This entire movie just made me cry. It made me have to relive all the mistreatment my schools put me through. Sia you need to seriously think before you act.
At this point, I don’t think Sia thinks of Maddie as a human being. She just thinks of her as a doll she can play with and manipulate however she wants.
That’s exactly right.
She claimed she wanted to “save” Maddie from abbey but she is exactly like abbey.
Logic!
A total object for her to control and love bomb. It's creepy and gross. Especially considering she has slept in bed with her.
Make Sia a dude and there would be pitchfork mobs
She is technically allowed to do that, maddie signed a form.
I hate how Sia said she instantly saved Maddie’s horrible life from “Dance Moms”, yet Maddie literally begged and cried not to do the part for this movie because she didn’t want to offend anyone. Poor Maddie😔💔
@Uma Li Goldman yea playing people with multiple personalities or autism has a super fine line and this movie crosses the line so much.I feel bad for maddie
Maddie really needs to run
damn poor girl :/
Autistic people get offended at everything just be happy you guys are being put in something
@@emmahollow8898 YOU AGAIN? Bruh.
14:33 that didn't age well
i'm autistic and it doesn't bother me that they chose someone who's not, to play an autistic character. what does bother me is the way they made her act.. and her name.
I'm very concerned for Maddie ngl
the relationship with sia feels like a rapunzel sort of deal
I literally started hearing the lyrics to "Mother Knows Best" in my head when he started describing Sia's relationship with Maddie.
it makes me so sad because it’s kind of brushed off, because people associate grooming only with sexual favors and such, so when stuff like this happens nobody does anything.
She literally went from one Abby Lee to an even more powerful Abby Lee 🤢
I KNEW I THOUGHT IT WAS FAMILIAR. IT REALLY DOES OMG
A bit like Norman Bates's mother in Psycho as well.
The fact thats she's said I won't make art anymore unless its with her is incredible manipulative.
It sounds very creepy
Acting like she owns her and won't even let her do projects that don't involve Sia
@@TheBowTieCat since when did she have an obsession with her!? SINCE WHEN DID SHE OPENLY SHOW HER FACE 😂😂😂
Fr
@@anakinjmanu In the 2000s
I’m autistic and I don’t blame Maddie for this. She’s a kid whose own mother has walked away from her to let Sia raise her instead. She has no one but Sia to guide her and I’m scared to read the book she’ll write about her life one day. I blame Sia. You hit the nail on the head. Autism is different for everyone and this feels like an offensive stereotype that tries to fantasize it and infantilize us.
oof the illuminaughti plug didn't age very well.
It's so sad because Maddie even said she felt uncomfortable playing the role and Sia basically pressured her into it.
That's why I was getting Frank Farian and Milli Vanilli vibes from this, because it's like how Frank Farian pressured Rob & Fab into lip-syncing to other people's vocals.
Yes.. hi army
Yeah, it’s such a power dynamic. Definitely not a healthy relationship
@@angeline808 I'm definitely not the first to say this but I will repeat that Sia has known Maddie for a good chunk of Maddie's life-- plucking her out of relative obscurity (we know she and Jojo Siwa were on Dance Moms, but outside of that, Maddie wasn't known for much else before Sia) because Sia decided that this child was her muse! There is absolutely a power dynamic in their relationship favoring Sia, and it's gross and troubling how Sia used Maddie. Even though Maddie has never spoken about any abuse she might have been on the receiving end of, with the kind of relationship they had-- I don't even know if you'd call it professional since the vibe I get from Sia is that she sees Maddie as a daughter as well as her muse, something might've been going on.
I've always had an issue with the idea of people being "muses" in art, but it waves so many red flags when a grown ass adult (regardless of gender) is like, "Yes! This literal child is my muse! She inspires me to create my art!"
Hell maddie even hated it
The fact that a 14 year old knew it was wrong and sia didn’t says everything Maddie is definitely under her clutch it’s sad
@ラッキーガール she is being manipulated by sia
(definitely)
I thought she was like 17 or something
@@kpopmarshmallow2112 shes 18
@@dollie1537 she’s 18 now but when the movie was filmed and written she was 13/14
@@emilyoswin3830 Erm.. Not she was 18 when it was filmed lol.
holy shit, those "calming methods" ... If someone did that to me, they would not see the sun rise again. And I'm serious. The moment somebody touches me without consent they are in a big danger zone. Restraint? MF, they're lucky if they live. I may not be violent, but I fight for my life.
Pov : sis should have just stopped at Titanium
If sia wanted Maddie to be in the film so badly, why couldn’t she just cast her as some type of background character????????
or she could have been the sister
Or a main character since that's one thing Music never got to be.
because Sia wanted Maddie to be the star. Based on her like...really creepy pathology, that's all she wants.
Sia is completely obsessed over maddie she just forgets anything important that has to be researched and put on the movie, just for the sake of making her the most creepy objectified center of attention
Exactly. Maddie wasn't even comfortable with playing Music, so surely that would have been a better alternative.
I LOVE ur "dramatic" pauses
They' re just soo funny
As someone who’s autistic I don’t feel represented, I feel insulted.
Maddie and Sia's relationship is one wrong move away from being a Netflix documentary
WIEJEJEJE HELP 😭😭😭
About pedophiles
It really does seem like Sia is grooming the poor girl.
@@HonkLoserShe'll probably pull out an ukulele to apologize in the future lol.
It reminds me of what Michael Jackson did except somehow Sia didn't get her life ruined for it. @@HonkLoser
maddie: *literally cries on set because she doesn't want to offend people as a minor*
sia: _then perish (but not before doing my movie against your will!)_
Is your pfp Zatanna as GiGi Grant???
@@genocidershinnagarot yes! drew it and colored it myself :D
Yeah, a child was upset because she felt that what she was doing was wrong. Her feelings should have been taken seriously instead of Sia just telling her that it's ok and telling her that there will be no consequences :/
No.
@@daisyheadmaizy5183 a lot of people are saying they had sleepovers so no it doesn’t seem healthy at all
this is an amazing and extremely respectful video i appreciate this so much
i feel like he did more research for this youtube video than sia for her film that took her 3 years
bruh, one hour of google search and another hour to have an interview with an autistic person is enough to know the basics
Hovering over google search query autocomplete suggestions for Autism Speaks is more research than Sia apparently did!
I feel like Sia is even searching to the second page of Google page which most of time is useless. LOL.
@@spaghetti5914 I completely agree with you, two hours of research, one being googling and exploring various articles, autistic people in history, autistic people in the twenty-first century, REAL meltdown/breakdown videos and the other being sitting down with someone actually ON the autism spectrum to ask educated questions and ask if (x) way is a good way to depict that aspect in a movie is MORE than enough to know the basics of Autism. BUT. When you're an ADULT with a net worth of over twenty-five MILLION dollars with the resources to NOT ONLY recruit NUMEROUS autistic actors/actresses for roles, ESPECIALLY the ones where you're representing someone on the spectrum, and CONSULT OTHER people on the Autistic spectrum, but also SPEND THREE YEARS researching autism it is NOT enough to just "scrape the surface" of a disorder. You, as a director, and writer, are in charge of representing Autism correctly if your movie has an autistic character in it. Sia failed this one.
Just hang with _ANY_ person on the spectrum! You'll get more info than Sia, even if they're non-verbal! ESPECIALLY NON-VERBAL now that I think about it!
Sia controlling Maddie's entire career gives off huge narcissistic parent vibes. "You're too naïve and clueless to make your own decisions, so I have to make them all for you! I'm not controlling you, I'm protecting you! You should be eternally grateful for everything I've done for you!"
And that's just part of the problem. This woman also has feelings for her... so strong that everyone can see that the feelings are not healthy.
Sia WANTS to be Maddie's mother. Quite creepy. I wonder how her real mother feels about that?
@@bloodcountess81 her real mom was crazy on dance moms and I'm 99% sure she encourages their relationship
I'm getting a Woody Allen vibe from this relationship.
Mother Gothel vibes.
As an autistic person, I despise the portrayal in this movie, she never did any research well enough
SHE WORKED WITH AUTISM SPEAKS HOW CAN YOU SCREW IT UP THAT BAD
Autism speaks isn't good either
Autism speaks is peta for people on the spectrum
The fact that she’s telling autistic people to watch a movie that could cause sensory issues while claiming she’s researched autism is just really infuriating
Researched for 3 years but with no work to show.
Amazing.
She didn’t know those obvious things about autism showing that despite of what she said she did no research at all which makes her incompetent or she did know about those things but she didn’t care which makes her ignorant, either way she sucks
@@crowdemon_archivesshe confused years with seconds
we sure SHE isn't on the spectrum? because as someone with autism...i'm seeing a lot of telling signs with her.
@@BigHailFan if she was autistic she would have realized how messes up her work was from the start she would have felt uncomfortable while making it, she taught Maddie how to make the sounds and the stims and it looked awful so she definitely didn’t make a good job because it didn’t come naturally to her as it would for someone who’s autistic, if Sia was autistic she would have said it years before the movie was released because “an autistic person is making a movie about autism” sounds better than “a neurotypical person who has an autistic friend is making a movie about autism”, and even if she is in the spectrum it only makes her case even worse, HOW IGNORANT YOU HAVE TO BE TO MAKE AN INSULTING AND PATRONIZING REPRESENTATION OF YOUR OWN GROUP?!?
"Autistic people are too delicate and emotional to handle the stress of being involved with my film!" said the neurotypical woman as she continued to type rage-tweets to anyone who disagreed with her.
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
This sounds like the title of an Onion article lmao
Anthony Hopkins would like to speak to you.
Imagine insisting that you really did try to cast an autistic actor in the role when you're on record - as in a literal recording - saying that you wrote the script specifically as a vehicle for Maddie and you don't want to ever do a single project without her being involved. Definitely a Stable Genius level move.
@@sixstringedthing I'm betting she lied.
And Maddie is probably gonna want to distance herself from Sia after how this movie bombed.
I know this video is old, but I recommend changing the link in the description about Autism Speaks to a different video, as the creator you linked to has caused a lot of damage to a lot of good peoples’ lives, and the video in question will probably not last very long anyway, as her channel is currently dying due to all the terrible controversies she’s caused for herself.
Her relationship with maddie seems so so strange
"I can't do work without Maddie."
I dunno how everyone interprets that but my child grooming alarms are going off...
Yours to that’s good thought mine was broken
I was the same age as maddie when she said this and it triggered me so much also, it made me feel scared and uneasy since i love maddie so much. I really hope everyone would just stop controlling and exploiting maddie, i really wish the best for her
Calling Maddie her little muse was unsettling
I also think it's basically guilt-tripping Maddie into never ever leaving her or doing projects Sia doesn't approve of or turning to something else other than dancing. Sia basically just has to say "But I'll never do music again without you!" and Maddie will feel guilty for even wanting something else.
Yeah if this was a male star and male teenager it’d be in court already. Gross and creepy AF
As a neurotypical, I wouldn’t even try to portray an autistic character. I know autistic people, but that doesn’t mean I know how to represent them. The autistic people I know are both really different. If you’ve met one autistic person, you’ve met one autistic person.
As an autistic person, i respect you for that! Thank you!
I really don't like when Sia talks about "falling in love with someone's purity", considering she cast and lived in a house with a 14 year old girl from down the street.
Grown women who say shit like that are pretty sus
They usually call that being "motherly" but to me it's actually really creepy
@@Anonymous_Gambito it seems like women creepers often easily slip through people's radars because their creepy and unhealthy obsession with purity seems to be often mistaken for being "motherly"
Maddie is obviously vulnerable and Sia seems to have a heavy emotional dependence on her. Does Maddie even have friends?
@@almond3066 Remember when a woman that made a show for kids made a horrifically pedophilic comment fantasising about a boy that she saw and how.... She wanted to confront him but his dad was there? And how a few people saw it as "a joke"!?
Like actually what the fuck-
I seriously need to find the video about it but i swear IT WAS REAL!
@@MLGAllan65 I remember that! that was the creator of the show "twelve forever" that said that. She followed some teenaged boy around at some amusement park ALL DAY
It was super weird and creepy
I’m happy no one seems to be blaming Maddie for the movie, she’s so young and obviously very impressionable.
Well cmon, It’s all on Sia,
Best part is, Maddie knew autistic people were going to think she was mocking them. She already knew she wasn't the best person for the role and yet Sia pushed her into it anyway.
Maddie will never get hate from me for this. She seemed to be coerced into this and I hope Sia always feels the repercussion around this.
Not only that… she was continually talked INTO the role….
She was terrified of offending someone …. Wasn’t sure what she was doing was right…
Sia was even quoted saying she wouldn’t ever create again UNLESS she could work with Maddie….
Can you imagine the pressure that puts on a young adult/kid?
It's not her fault. Sia was the one at the helm.
thank you for having subtitles on this
I worked inpatient psych and helped teach proper restraint and knowing how easy to access the information was I never expected the scenes ! Even with your warning my body retracted watching it, if the audience is supposed to relate to Music then I would think everyone would be concerned with these restraint methods.
I think Sia just made a movie about her dream life. Having Maddie as a daughter but she needs her 24/7
EXACTLY. as soon as i saw the "caretaker" who was an ex addict i thought that she was a projection of s*a herself, and the whole "maddie as a daughter but she needs her 24/7" fits in with some of the grooming that people are speculating is going on between sia and maddie.
@@coagulatedsalts4711 caretaker is the word i was looking for. She wants to be her caretaker. So creepy.
Bullseye
@E R this
@@coagulatedsalts4711 you can say her name. omg
I hate shaky cam too...THANK YOU ...I was beginning to think I was the only one !
It breaks my heart that Maddie Ziegler was so worried to the point of tears about offending the autistic community before the release of the movie and then it actually ended up coming true.
Yall, please have grace and understand she didn't mean any harm and that she's literally just a 14 year old kid.
Sia on the other hand, yikes...
this movie came out in 2021 when maddie was 18. why is everyone saying she’s 14 i’m confused.
@@yogurt2317 production started in 2015, which would make her 13-14 at the time. If she cried to Sia about her fear of her misrepresenting what someone with autism is like, this is a clear indicator that she sensed something wrong about the way Music was portrayed. This is just my guess of what happened, but given the circumstance, she naturally trusted Sia when she told her that she wasn't doing anything wrong. Plus Sia is also a bit of a mentor figure so Ziegler probably felt some form of pressure to stay in the project
@@yogurt2317 did you not watch the video at all? Or do a simple Google search? She was 14-15 when production started. She could’ve been easily manipulated because she was a child.
Most in the Autistic community including myself don't judge Maddie. We judge Sia who is the one who caused harm. Maddie was a minor and many of us recognize this! Especially since Maddie did recognize how messed up the performance is and Sia still forced her to do it.
It’s so scary that she was so young at the time, and she’s still so young and vulnerable
I find it so funny that Sia openly says "I hate musicals" in front of the original Broadway actor for Aaron Burr in Hamilton
And yet she directed a musical. Hypocrite.
The most polite thing I can say about Sia after all this is that she really doesn't use her head.
I wonder how she felt about Maddie playing Graziela in West Side Story.
THATS ALOTA DAMAGE!
@@tultsi93 didn’t she also write and sing a song for the My Little Pony Friendship is Magic movie too? That whole series is known for being full of music and songs.
As someone who is autistic I died laughing because now everyone thinks this is how we act 💀
Trust me, nobody with a brain thinks this is how people with autism act
around the 20:28 mark when Sia is talking about "we're here because we care about the autism community" blah blah blah and you can see Leslie Odom Jr. trying so hard to not look dead behind the eyes :-(
She litterally is obsessed with Maddie. She wants her for herself. Weiiiiird.
just another abbey-lee miller. hopefully maddie breaks free and can do what SHE wants to do one day.
Sia is that person who lives through youth....it's pretty sad
Sia's dad and her fiance i think died. Maybe she doesn't want to lose maddie too
@@moyathebestt Maddie clearly don't need her.
BEST case scenario it's just bizarro nepotism with a heavy dose of living through a daughter figure by proxy. Worst case scenario.. I don't even wanna think about 🤢
The "I'm crushing you with my love" is such a massive red flag in like ALL the situations imaginable
@Joshua Cline Or maybe stalked or emotionally smothered.
Literally the only context I can think of where this doesn't set off red flags everywhere would be in some anime when someone has some superpower that literally lets them turn their love into mass and literally crush someone or some shit like that.
If a villainous person says it? Creepy as all hell.
If a "heroic" person says it? About 50 times worse.
@@youtube-kit9450 Or it's two kids playing together and Kid A says it jokingly to Kid B.
If Music was a real person, this would leave her vulnerable to future abuse because she might associate “love” with being pinned down/hurt/denied autonomy.
It's pretty much gas lighting (if I have the term right). I can imagine that scenario where if he was the bad guy or a fraud looking after the autistic child of some naive parents, he would say that to cover up his abuse of her.
Hi, I have autism. I don't see everything like I just ate crystal meth for breakfast.
14:38 I barfed when I saw illuminaughty one of the most manipulative and hateful people out there
to be fair this vid is from 2 years ago. It DEFINITELY aged like milk
@@Jackie_XIII true true
@Jackie_XIII ...... like sad milk
i live under a rock, what happened with illuminaughty ?
@Aether-cx1oy Lots of things, but the most recent is she was featured in Hbomberguys vid on plagiarism as an example of plagiarism. Look up, Illuminaughty situation or something similar
Sia and Maddie’s relationship is just like Mother Gothel is to Rapunzel in Tangled.
Mother knows best
omg.. ur so right
Similar to joker and harleen
@@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme Nah Joker and Harley were... “Romantic”. It’s a different type of dynamic.
@@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme not comparable