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Seeing this review it does make sense it is a Dystopian movie, making this comment during 19:04, Breeding season is more off putting than it sounds. A wonderful choice, now going to see your take on it in the video.
@@ShunJ89The thing about the governments that run dystopias is that they don't exactly care how a trans person would do so, just that they do, or that said trans person would be allowed into the dystopia's elite simply for not being "hetero."
Same, I can only shudder at the thought of this film attempting to find a way of building bisexuality into the already flimsy plot. (I am also bisexual)
I think the most insane thing to me is that they didn’t just have artificial insemination be the typical method of having more kids. Why have a breeding season where you are required to have sex with someone you aren’t attracted to when artificial insemination is right there! If you wanted to, make it a historical thing to explain how we got here, but the idea of it being present in the modern day is insane.
@@Blueeyesthewarriorbecause ivf is an incredibly expensive and resource consuming process. Yea, it exists and you can do it for uncommon cases of people who need it, but to maintain an entire population with just ivf is literally unfeasable
@beanbag884 there were a fair amount I mean it was school in a major progressive urban city at the tail end of 2018 so it's not like homophobia was an acceptable thing, social media was all the rager so no one really cared
@@beanbag884 like mikey said, that you know of ;) seriously though, depending on where you live, it might not be safe for a lot of those kids to be out publicly
That's literally the first thing a 12yo would think when a progressive enough teacher tells him/her "bullying homosexual people is bad, how would you feel if the roles were reversed". Except they're not 12yo...
If this movie was about a bunch of straight people in a world where straight people are oppressed making a movie about a world where gay people are oppressed, and then those gay people create a movie where straight people are oppressed, then it keeps going back and forth infinitely, this would have been the greatest movie of all time.
@@skootergirl22 Tis _elementary,_ really. For you see, in the real, _non-reversed_ world, where heterosexuality is the general norm, and homosexual individuals are oppressed, we have made a movie about where the roles are reversed; where homosexuality is the norm, and heterosexual individuals are oppressed. But, in _that_ very fictional world, it would therefore follow that a film would be made where _heterosexuality_ is the norm, and then within the story of _that_ film, a film would be made where _homosexuality_ is the norm, ad infinitum. And, the best part, in this ultimate version of the real-world film, it would be none other than our daring homosexual protagonists producing this _reversal_ film about if heterosexuality was the norm as in the real world (and the film those fictional heterosexual protagonists produce would feature its protagonists making their own reversal film, et cetera, forever swapping between heterosexuality and homosexuality being the norm within the fictional worlds of films). _An inspirational tale, really._
As a lesbian I said out loud "grab a f***ing tool!" when she went to bruise her shoulder against the door and then he said it, and, yes, I laughed too .-.
This film tried to do what _The Twilight Zone_ did numerous times: put the oppressors in the oppressed's role to demonstrate how persecution feels, ostensibly to trigger bigotry-breaking empathy. But in the decade since this film, we've seen how projection bias and conspiracy theories distort the ability to even recognize the idea. That said, I was always fascinated with the film for the worldbuilding: I wanted to see what other kinds of stories could be told within it.
It's not pushing it's called education, if that is pushing LGBT onto kids then the system has and is pushing heterosexuality onto kids for many years more, and it was bigoted before, the only difference is no one was given enough freedom to call you out for it. How on earth do you feel the need to be the victims is incredible. And gay marriage seems like a natural progression of freedom, and what is more American than than freedom? Or is freedom limited to those like you?
@@billowspillow Oh wow Yes, being against your child knowing the existence of the LGBT and forbiding them from watching, let's say, the owl house, because 2 girls kiss is.....indeed, mockable. And the fallacy keeps being a fallacy and the oppressors keep crying about it lmao
i understand the message they were trying to convey, but watching this as a gay person, it really just feels like they wanted to make a world in which straight ppl got a turn to be the victims. you mean to say the only way you could imagine ppl caring about homophobia is if it happened to straight people?
How the hell did she pull a bury your gays on ryan. From the short bits he looks like the most engaging and likable character. And talking about frat pressure is more than i expected. So he looks the most investable and evil priest mommy the most fun.
No but this is literally a joke in our house. “Coming out as straight to your liberal parents.” Also when she said, “maybe there’s a hetero heaven.” I lost it 😂😂
I was expecting the answer to “where do baby make” being “fuck you we’re not explaining that” so I was preparing for a joke about mpreg or something, and then I got clocked by “the breeding season”
@@KaliqueClawthorneThe percentage of bi people in the population still wouldn't be enough to keep society functioning. The real question is, "Why breeding season and not artificial impregnation?"
Both options would've brought war flashbacks to the omegaverse and a stark reminder why I am the "if I suffer, you have to suffer too" type with my friends
@@darwinxavier3516Omg that’s true. I wanna see that subplot now. Though it would make sports a lot fairer. But they might as well have a “birthday season” as well
@@Emberson-9000 Population dynamics must work WAAAY different. It also feeds into the stereotype that all gay/lesbian people want to have kids, which isn't exactly always a positive portrayal.
6:05 This reminds me of the short film "Stereo" (which was actually written, directed and edited by a 13 year old girl for a school project and is actually very well made for someone that young), that depicts an alternate universe where gender stereotypes are reversed: girls are into sports and other masculine things while boys are into makeup, musical theater, dresses, etc. The main character who's a girl wants to do boyish stuff (in our universe, it's girly stuff. So she would be a femboy if this was in our universe). It's meant to be more of a commentary on how bad gender stereotypes are and how society has taken them as gospel with a message of acceptance for anyone who wants to do anything traditionally unmasculine/unfeminine. It's also not really an anti-bullying film and it ends on a happy note with some optimism for the future. I actually really enjoy it. Update: With "Love is all you need?" isn't it a homophobic stereotype to depict boys being into unmasculine things? With lesbians, Hollywood tries to gaslight people into thinking it's empowering for lesbians to be portrayed as tomboys with that same stupid haircut, but when it comes to gays, their stereotypes are played for laughs.
You saying "What's the scariest thing in the world? If you said gay people, you'd be right." Whilst wearing a Chaos jacket and Berserk hate is just too funny
“What if the roles were reversed and this happened to you?” is *generally* not a good argument towards creating empathy in someone, because somehow who hates another person views their hatred as justified, whereas they would view their own persecution as not being so. Homophobes, racists, misogynists, etc. aren’t JUST people who hate others for what they would consider to be *no reason*. They think their hateful opinions are entirely based in fact and reality, even if they’re not. Saying “What if straight people got treated the same way as gay people?” towards a group of bigots wouldn’t make much of an impact, because 1. it would be relying on a presentation of a fantasy world (one in which straight people were persecuted for being straight), which is not anything they’d ever have to worry about and thus would be difficult for them to take seriously, 2. bigots tend to be dismissive of the experiences of the people they hate anyway, so it would be met with claims that the experiences in the story were “exaggerated”, and 3. they’d view it as a failed equivalence, because in their opinion, the people they mistreat DESERVE to be mistreated, but they themselves do not. “What if it happened to you?” works best in situations in which the target audience is largely ignorant of a particular persecution taking place, rather than complicit in it. It could be argued that perhaps that was the goal of these films, but you’d be hard-pressed to find a modern American teen who is somehow unaware of anti-gay discrimination, at least anywhere where schools and authorities would even want to screen a film like this. That’s the worst part about combating discrimination and bullying, really - roughly speaking, the parts of the world where this would be seen don’t need it as much as others, and the parts of the world that *would* need it would ban it outright. It’s extremely frustrating. So much important social commentary is preaching to the choir while everyone else refuses to listen.
Put it best here. If you really want to get -ists and -phobes to empathize, it requires doing the unthinkable which is actually speaking on a personal level and getting to the heart of their prejudice. Much of everything else is just an affirmation of their views.
@@lukebytes5366A lot of people don't have enough critical thinking skills to engage in a conversation like that. (After all, society doesn't seem to support independent thinking.) So the dialogue that would solve a lot of these problems will never happen on a mass or individual level.
@@hinachan70it doesn't really require critical thinking, changing emotions with logic will always be an uphill battle. It's not about winning an argument, it's about giving people the kind of humanity they believe doesn't exist.
I remember seeing this randomly online as a kid. The "what if the roles were reversed" line of thinking doesn't work in creating empathy. It's still self-centered. Oppressed groups shouldn't have to keep bending over backwards for their oppressors to understand their point of view. Homophobes, racists, misogynists, etc. don't live in a world where their oppressed so, appealing to that "what if you were oppressed" line of thinking doesn't work. They think they are above the groups they are oppressing and completely close their ears to any other point of view. And if the audience isn't one of these hateful groups then this looks weird and tone-deaf because you'd be thinking "who tf doesn't know queer people are oppressed?".
I was thinking the same thing although mainly the M&Ms ad where Yellow and Red are on a rowboat which leads to them as well as the other rowers singing Rock the Boat.
That reminds me of someone explaining why she ended up swearing off omegaverse entirely after she realized how screwed up it was, largely because she brought up a "fact" about male wolves that she knew wasn't true. And also how utterly insane it sounded once it came out of her mouth.
Lmao I was thinking of omegaverse too. I like reading it because it's silly but I've only ever found one that had a straight person in it (and a lot of them barely even have women as background characters?) so I just thought you could make a comedy combining this movie with omegaverse.
I bursted laughing with "the devianart Sonic OC reject in the background for no reason", immidietly remembered Donnie Darko and laughed till i started crying. Thank you!
What I find really funny about the "Breeder slur" is that "Breeder" is actually a "slur" that you sometimes see Antinatalists on Reddit use against people who have kids lol
The existence of the word "breeder" as a slur is hilariously ironic considering the people who tend to use it that way are the same ones who champion the idea of "her body, her choice"
I didn't know there were militantly antinatalist people or that there was an actual community of them Meanwhile I'm just over here politely hoping people just give up having kids until the world stops sucking lol
It also is used by heterophobic gay guys as a slur against bi or straight people. So they didn't make it up it just is less common now. 20+ years ago it was a lot more common around me.
I'm bi with a male partner and even I am cringing as each detail about the film comes out. I understand they wanted to get a good message across but there are so many better ways than this. Why don't they just show a normal gay couple in a healthy supportive relationship to show people it's perfectly normal? I'm sure it would be a lot easier to write and less painful to watch.
Because this is a problem we face today, people don't look at the idea of a "happy couple" or "happy family" and think is a good message, they let their own extremist ideas get the better of them, this is why everything about this today is so confusing for some people, there are extremists inside the Lgbt comunity and outside of it, this is an example of someones extremism getting the better of them. It would have been soooo much better to just see a normal gay couple being a good and healthy family but no "Lets just make the whole world heterophobic and see how they like it".
@@Conarotounfortunately homophobes don’t really have empathy like normal people. Most of them can only understand that discrimination is bad if they experience it themselves.
@@hemipenesyeah you should’ve put a little bit more thought into that statement before you made it because it’s a helluva lot more complicated than that.
@@Conaroto while i agree on the healthy gay couple thing. There are still "good written" "happy" familys out there. One of my most hated tropes cause family is still are a overromantizised term and if you DARE to say anything against this social narrative you get shitted on. (I know that i dared to do that) What we need more are well written Awful familys. Not over exaggerated like most are depicted. Cause NO. Fsmily is in and on itself only a word. And while it of course is not ALWAYS bad, it is neither always good.
I legit watched this when I was younger and thought that it was super sad, but now with the current climate I can't help but think,, "This looks like a Republican's idea of what LGBT rights is."
Before I discovered I was bi, I watched this as a kid and I was so sad by it but now I'm just like "What were these people on to think this was a smart idea to make this"
@@OtakuUnitedStudio Well the republican party as a platform is against gay people, even if not all republicans are anti-lgbt+. If one votes for that then they are at least by proxy enabling anti-gay legislation which we are seeing constantly today.
my opinion is that a lot of modern pro lgbt culture is hell bent on proving radical republicans right. in the 90s there was always conservative pastors and whatnot who were saying allowing gay marrige would be the end of decency in america and it seems a lot of gay people nowadays that are being strangely sexual and acting like a normal person is looked upon as being 'wrong' you can't just be a normal gay couple and live your life, you have to dress up in a gay parade half naked and wear rainbows. its like we've become so progressive we've somehow circled back to putting gay people in a stereotype again
This reminds me of how I feel about Christian movies. As a Christian, I generally think they have a positive message, but it’s always so poorly presented that I end up just cringing.
Christian propaganda kept me an atheist for decades. That and all the institutional hypocrisy. You just want to say "Oh no, honey...you're making it worse." But that's fundamental to the art of spiritual warfare: infiltration, aka "darkness masquerading as light" or "wolves in sheep's clothing."
Why would that be an issue? If nearly everybody is gay then that gets rid of the prison r word issue and a lot of masculinity issues that surround that
@@Terranallias18 R word is not really about sex. It’s about power, especially in an environment like prison, where being perceived as more powerful will lead to less harassment and a lower chance of getting into altercations with other prisoners.
To confirm your comment about how Homophobes would miss the point: I've seen the short being spread around by bigots claiming it's a "declaration of intent" and "the world gays want" to feign their own victimhood
They were chanting "We're not going shopping", the only one saying "We're coming for your children" was the guy behind the camera trying to make them look bad @@elLooto
@@BlueMageDaisen I just went and checked it out again. what guy behind the camera? Its a produced video, not a live recording. Lyrics: “We’ll convert your children, happens bit by bit, quietly and subtlety and you will barely notice it. You can keep them from disco, warn about San Francisco, make ’em wear pleated pants, we don’t care. We’ll convert your children… we’ll make them tolerant and fair. Just like you’re worried, they’ll change their group of friends, you won’t approve of where they go at night. And you’ll be disgusted when they start learning things online that you kept far from their sight. We’ll convert your children - Yes we will! Reaching one and all, there’s really no escaping it, cause even grandma likes RuPaul. The world’s getting kinder, Gen Z’s gayer than Grindr. We’re coming for them. We’re coming for your children. The gay agenda is coming home. The gay agenda is here.”
@@BlueMageDaisen Wow TH-cam really doesnt want me talking about this at all. Ive tried a half dozen times, and it keeps getting deleted. (I'm checking on a second browser, btw, on a second account)
If I had a nickel for everytime one of these movies would show the protagonist struggling to open the bottle I'd have two which is weird....and they both have the same actor from cyberbully whatever her name was
I wonder if it's like Brad Pitt eating or Tom Cruise running. "There has to be a scene where someone struggles to get a pill bottle cap off, or I'm not in."
You didn't do the joke right Its "If I had a nickel for every time one of these movies would show the protagonist struggling to open the bottle, I'd have two but its weird it happened twice" If you're going to quote a wise man (Doofenshmirtz), you have to do it right /j
When I think about movies like this, I mostly imagine the people watching and thinking "this is genuinely what is going to happen if we let gay people marry" Because I know they exist
thats how everyone took it when they showed it to us in my school like the homophobia went up to 99% pressure release with that shit lol and good because tht is what they want to do to us theyd opress the fuck out of us if they could lol and they currently are trying to and succeeding rn
In my opinion, that can't necessarily be unless queer ideology is that irrational which I do not believe to be the case and I believe queer ideology is a terrible philosophy(alongside post-genderism, antinatalism, Nazism, ultranationalism, etc) In my eyes, they are probably less dangerous than countries leading a rise in cohabitation over marriage and treating marriage like a cultural fossil when it is actually a necessity for most people.
@@paolodybalastoe Do you even know what you're saying? "Queer" people have the right to be good human beings. Not degenerates. That's like saying pedophiles and zoophiles have the right to be child and animal abusers. Sorry if this is shocking but homosexual acts are pretty evil. That, however, doesn't immediately mean that I want people to bully children who may as well simply feel like they like these things. That is sick! Being against something doesn't immediately mean being compliant with extrajudicial and excessive acts of violence. That is Twitter level baloney.
Advertiser friendly ways to say "committed suicide": - "Permabanned from Twitter" - *Roblox oof sound* - "Unalived" (a classic) - "Got the cap off" - "Unsubscribed from life" - "Rage quit[ted]" - "Deleted System 32" - "Canceled their free trial" - "Quit [their] game without saving" - "Pressed Alt+F4"
Based on Terraria death messages: - "Was slain/eviscerated/murdered/smote by [themself]" - "Removed [themself] from the world" - "Ended [their] journey" - "Visited Ocram's house" - "Sent [themself] to the bone zone" - "Misplaced [their] parts" - "Ended [their] living streak" - "Fatally injured [themself]" - "Extractinated [their] soul" - "Ended [their] depravity" - "Popped [their] clogs" - "Stopped [their] ticker" - "Put [themself] on the wrong side of the grass"
I actually got shown that video in 6th grade. I get the point they wanted to make but the extremely graphic suicide really shouldn't be shown to 11 year olds. We didn't get any warning and it really freaked out a lot of the kids. That teacher got fired the year after though
I remember coming across the video and watching it when I was a little younger and was honestly expecting an ending where the girl would have a good ending and defeat her bullies.. but when I saw the suicide scene I was literally horrified and burst into tears when it finished and regretted watching it..
LMAO no one's erasing supposed ace people, they are few and far between and should probably go to therapy for their trauma from being bad touched as a child.
Real, the amount of disrespect ace folk get even from other queers is ridiculous. Even the internal erasure by trying to rewrite the definition of sexual attraction so people who still have sex can call themselves 'ace' keeps getting bandied about. Yet another reason for me to be jaded against the community
We were shown this at my school in Scotland. As a gay kid it was odd to say the least. Then again we were shown literally shown images of *injuries* shall we say. But some of the bullying does reflect what I faced even what the teacher said by blaming her.
"Breeder" is actually a real slur for bisexual people. I've seen a number of instances where hateful bigots (IN the LGBT community) called bisexual people "breeders". I read a story from someone who was at a parade, and someone else from the community shoved a whistle in their mouth and told them to "blow it, breeder".
@colonelthunderbolt4396 as a bisexual- is this a thing? I've never heard that term be used against someone like that not saying you're wrong, I'm just genuinely curious
@@ZippyMcBeans It can happen, but most of the time, biphobia is usually like erasure or stereotypes like being promiscuous/confused/dishonest. I've seen some people who refuse to date bisexuals because they "might cheat on them with someone of the opposite gender" or that they're just "going through a phase". Oh yeah, and the fetishization from people who want a threesome
The fact that there is a breeding season implies that everyone es born in the same season (9 months after the breeding season) that would be a LOT of birthdays happening too close
Why does it feel like this movie is something that anti-LGBT people would miss the meaning and use this as "proof" that the LGBT want this sort of world to actually exist and use it to push hate and their restrictions in order to "prevent this from happening" and/or proof that straight people are the ones actually bullied/hated/being erased/etc.... completely missing the message or irony of the point of what is being depicted. Note: wrote this before finishing the video and the point you said something similar lol.
My mind goes to the South Park “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” parody, except with crab people, with Lady Gaga playing in the background. Actually, now that I think about it, I think that episode conveys the message this movie was trying to portray much better.
I remember seeing the short film when I was around fourteen. I wouldn't say I was homophobic but I definetely otherized gay people and watching it did make it click in my head how wrong that was. I would've been genuinely sad at the self deletion scene if it didn't look so cheaply made. I only remember it being her standing in a bathtub while blood fell in the water. Wasn't expecting much though since it was a short film, so I always thought it was pretty good. Edit: That verse about shellfish was Mosaic law which we're not under anymore and there were a lot of other banned foods we can eat now.
Yeah, Acts 10. And it doesn't just apply to food, it applies to all of the Mosaic laws regarding spiritual cleanliness. One of Paul's letters said that if people still insist on the practice, they can do it, but don't force others to do the same.
People otherize groups they aren't a part of, in general. There is not necessarily anything directly wrong with that, as long as you treat everyone fine.
One of my high school Health teachers showed us the short film (minus the suicide scene, since she skipped to the ending message about it being based on true stories), and everyone afterward was talking less about the message and more how nonsensical the setting is.
This kind of world building makes me think about some Urban Fantasy novels, where mythical creatures are just humans with some gadget and aesthetic features (wings, horns, odd eye colours…) but, aside of it, live in a really human-minded world, like they work in police-like guard (with earthly grades like lieutenant or captain), ride bikes and dress as fashionistas, have appartements or drink coffee…
I feel like some "human" esque societies are better than others. I'll use two animated movies as an example 1- Onward is a fun urban fantasy movie where all kinds of creatures such as elves, mermaids, and centaurs live in a modern society but the protagonists being elves has no bearing on the plot or world building. Almost everything is scaled to them even when it doesn't make sense. There's a scene of tiny pixie bikers that drive huge (regular) sized motorcycles and one of the main characters does the generic domino joke of knocking them all over. They might as well as be humans. It honestly would've been funnier if he stepped on a bunch of tiny motorcycles at the same time. 2- Zootopia is a buddy cop movie set in a world where all other mammals (Foxes, bunnies, bears, pigs, ect) evolved without primates, including no humans. The main city shows us that almost every scale measure has been accounted for, but not all of them. A fox scam artist buys an elephant popsicle, melts it into dozens more in the arctic district, and sells them to a bunch of lemmings. He then sells the popsicle sticks to a rodent construction worker. He takes advantage of the fact this world ISN'T restricted to basically our world but animals. The movie does use animals as race analogs but it never forgets to make it's world believable by establishing that it has some major differences to ours.
@@Dalton_Boardman2000I didn’t saw “Onward”, but I really liked Zootopia. The world building was clear, well-placed and some hints were really well placed (the play at the start, and the chase through the museum). A very good example on how to set a world who is at the same time similar and different.
The way you delivered the "if only they had a man in the house" for the door breakdown scene actually made me laugh out loud. Not just the rapid-nasal-exhale either, gave me a proper laugh, thank you xD
It was a horrible, disrespectful joke to laugh at. People will be going to hell for laughing at it. Hello. My name is Scott. I'll be driving the bus.....
Tbh, "What if straights were oppressed" is such an absurd premise that I think they kind of had to execute it in an over-the-top way. I don't think a serious, nuanced drama would work considering the premise is already not very serious. It's a good message, though.
They literally had to explain the message. All I saw was a lot of pent up frustration from someone on the more extreme end on the LGBTQ side and my end of the sexuality spectrum being laughed at on top of that. Like it just felt like a hate message. You know seen similar stuff on WW2 propaganda and I can't really say I am happy with that either.
The intent behind the film and short seems to be well intentioned, and to get us to examine how we treat homosexuals, by having the whole concept being flipped. But the possibility of Bisexuality or Pansexuality isn't addressed at all, or even being Ace or Demi.
Conversely, it is an attempt to look at the problem from a Neitzchian perspective, asking a gay audience if they were strong enough to not stare into the abyss lest it stare bavk, and they become He Who Fights Monsters. Unfortunately, I can see a lot of people in the comments section easily becoming said monster because they either missed the point, or simply don't care how much damage they have to do to get their perceived revenge, only that they DO get said revenge.
also what about asexuality? Like if you just went "everyone is kinda eww tbh" in that universe, how would people respond? Considering they are primarily "bigots" about hetero people, would asexual people be treated the same as our current society treats them (mostly condescendingly saying "you just haven't met the right one yet") or would there be more understanding? Would they still have to participate in breeding season, even if they were on the s*x repulsed side of the spectrum? What happens if you don't participate in breeding season at all as well? Like you are so heterophobic, you just can't get the mood going to produce a child with someone? so many questions, no answers.
I have never heard about this movie before this, and I was honestly expecting going into this that it was anti-LGBTQ and was playing it off as being 'the future liberals want' and victim-playing heterosexuality like you said at the start. What I think, considering I'm Bisexual(, and, albeit, tend to be a little too forgiving of an individual,) myself?: Good intentions by premise and purpose, but badly executed and more overdramatic than it needs to be.
I also assumed this was going to be some kind of "the straights are the REAL victims" dystopian thing, not a well-meaning pro-lgbt (or I guess just pro-lg) movie that fumbled the execution.
During your conclusion, you touched on what I was thinking when you asked if it felt like a comedy sketch. That is the idea of homophobes pointing at this movie and saying, "See? This is what it would be like if they were in charge." I could just as easily see this movie being very much the same if someone who was homophobic created it as a sort of Twilight Zone style excuse as to justify their homophobic behavior. I was going to say that it would probably lean into gay and lesbian stereotypes more, and it likely would, but considering that the actual movie makes the girls the athletes and boys into theater arts, which are stereotypes, it would not be by as much as I first thought.
The worst thing about this in my opinion is how it justifies the more subtle elements of dystopia and hate. Most homophobes aren't out there beating gay people with sticks every day, it's the smaller things, and people who don't even know that they're doing it. Someone who says "I'm not inviting [Gay Person] to the neighbourhood event because there's just *something* I don't like about them" can look at this as the face of homophobia, and feel vindicated that *they're* not a bigot, *they* would never tie someone to a carousel and beat them up. It's a shame, because if it had been done well, it could have been at least decently interesting. A film where a character reveals that they're into the opposite sex, and are just treated quietly differently. All it takes is a mum saying "oh sweetheart that's...great" in the right tone of voice, or maybe she was going to be one of the lead roles in the play and loses it for reasons never properly specified. I don't think the majority of churches have an outright message of "gay people will burn in hell", but just having a slight pause after the priestess says something which implies that being gay is wrong, during which a few people glance at the main character like "we all know this is about you, but we can't say it". That feeling of discomfort when it's hard to outright accuse any particular person of a hate crime or mistreating the character is far more poignant than just a message of "don't punch gay people in the face, that's wrong", and would help a lot more people understand the more less obvious ways that they are making life difficult for other people based on sexuality.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It feels way too on the nose and over the top. I'm not LGBT myself, so I can't say from experience what might be more realistic, but even I know that the Westboro Baptist types are not (and probably never have been) the #1 most prominent exemplars of homophobia. There's those scenes in Louie Theroux's film about them, where for example a guy essentially says "y'know I disagree with the lifestyle, but..." Obviously the hatred of troops did much to further lessen their appeal even amongst "casual" (?) conservative-Christian American homophobes, but so did the super-obvious hatred as opposed to "hate the sin not the sinner" or whatever
great review. this film is a great example of if a film has a good message does not make it great if it has a bad story and is poorly done. hell, if you want to see discrimination reverse of the way it's usually seen just look at the radical/extremist sides to things like Afrocentrism.
Unironically i did this with a story of mine. I wanted to create a world where homophobia (among other things) didn't exist. Having same sex couples able to reproduce naturally means it is normalized the same as opposite sex couples. (Magic exists in that world and can allow men to carry and women to impregnate, there's nothing stopping het couples from doing it too)
@@myheartismadeofstars If mpreg was real homophobia would still exist because racism exists dispite race having nearly nothing to do with what you can offer society
wait the thing about it being weird to be friends with the opposite sex doesn't even work here. it's considered weird for men and women to be friends because people assume there's gonna be sexual tension. if they were actually trying to flip this they'd make it weird for people of the same gender to be friends ??
This reminds me of the film Babakiuaria in concept. There, it was "What if white people were the natives of Australia and modern aboriginals showed up and colonised." Only there, it was clever. It was intelligently commenting on the political and social state of Australia (and relevant to a lot of other countries). It was also done with humour, a mockumentary making an excellent and well done message. This is just... well, bad. It's trite and poorly delivered.
How did they account for the fact that 'white people' were the industrious builders who found unbuilt locations and, you know, built there? Presumably the swapped roles would lead to the new-colonisers finding a few towns and cities, right?
@@TheIrreverentUncleAlIt exists, the same way the fear of being watched by a duck exists. Finding someone who is genuinenly bigoted against heteros like heteros are bigoted against gays is very unlikely, just like finding a person who is genuinenly afraid of being watched by a duck.
When I think about it, the concept of this alternate universe sounds like the plot of an edgy, politically incorrect adult comedy where a bunch of immature idiots go time traveling but they accidentally changed the future, creating a society where discrimination between hetero and homosexual people are reversed and they have to find a way to fix the timeline.
I have no way of proving it, nor do i know for sure how it works, but this movie mysteriously getting 3.6 million dollars says money laundering to me. Someone had a lot of coke money and needed a way to wash it.
The incredible logic of homosexuality being the norm but single-sex frats and sororities being a thing is incredible because it gives you moments like that seven minutes in heaven nonsense where it’s like “go on, make out with your brother” 💀
i remember coming across this as a kid (very closeted lesbian)and seeing the attempted scene (when it was still up i saw it all in like 4k) and it scarred me like i was so horrified.
I’ve seen the first short before and am reminded of another short film that also dived into the “what if the minority was normalized” called Jeremy the Dud where disabled people were treated like regular people and non disabled people were infantilized and given demeaning jobs. I’m disabled myself and I thought it was okay and I loved seeing a lot of disabled actors in it.
I think my biggest issue with this is that by saying “what if gay was straight”, they implied message is “what if being gay was normal.” By making it seem like some kind of shocking dystopia, it implies that being straight is the default in our real world. Something, something, by treating homosexuality as abnormal you’re perpetuating the idea that it’ll always be “weird” by default
Heterosexual behavior makes sense as a social norm, as homosexual behaviors - those which resemble reproductive processes, but without actually contributing to sexual reproduction - are punished by evolutionary processes, given that the qualities of those behaviors would make reproduction less likely. It makes sense that heterosexual behavior - or social attraction to members of the opposite sex - would increase the likelihood of reproduction, and by extension continuation of an individual's lineage. Thus, to the extent that homosexual behavior is determined by genetics, it is expected to be made scarce due to evolutionary processes. In modern times, this could be a bit less relevant to humans as a species due to our more complicated social structures, but an impact must have been had over however many generations it must have taken for civilization to develop. It's interesting, therefore, to think about a predominantly homosexual (at least from a human perspective) world, since it would seem biologically counterintuitive, and since it would make sense to produce a very different society.
@@BinaryBolias it could be interesting yeah, but they didn’t do nearly as much with it as they should have. Plus, that wasn’t the point. It wasn’t an exploration of “what if,” it was meant to have an anti-bullying message. Speculative fiction is fun to play with, especially since this world could theoretically have very good artificial fertilization technology, or there’s the much weirder “breeding season” thing that just sounds like smth from an omega verse fanfic. Also the idea that homosexuality is “punished” by evolution is inherently flawed due to the existence of bisexuals, but that’s not smth I wanna argue about right now. Gay people will always exist, since they came from straight people. There isn’t a “gay gene” that will slowly be eradicated, as it clearly hasn’t happened yet
@@sneakysnek572 On the latter matter of evolution absolution, I express that homosexual behaviors are only punished by evolutionary processes to the same extent that they are determined by genetics. Based on my argument. the existence of people who express homosexual behavior seems to merely indicate that the behavior must not be solely defined by genetics, rather than render my logic to be inherently flawed. Essentially, any behavior which is a detriment to reproduction is "punished" by evolutionary processes, as an individual exhibiting such a behavior is definitionally less likely to reproduce. I assert that homosexual behavior is detrimental to the likelihood of sexually reproducing, applying the aforementioned logic to it. I have not supposed that homosexual behavior can be completely attributed to genetics. Thus, I consider homosexual behavior to be punished by evolutionary processes, but I do not consider such behavior to be solely determined by those processes. To anthropomorphize: Evolution is (probably, or usually) homophobic, but it can't necessarily do anything about it.
"love is all you need" I hate that kind of empty shallow sentimentalism. People who believe in that nonsense don't understand that others have every right to choose who they like and want to be friends with and that when someone says "well I don't like you" there's no "discussion" to be had on the "issue".
Ngl, the line from the teacher in the feature-length film saying, "they're only doing this because they're jealous", is so real. When I was bullied growing up, every adult I'd tell would say this to me.
I remember watching this in school when I was in middleschool, I found it to be really eye opening. I live in northeast US where being lgbt+ isn't always a death sentence so I wasn't aware how bad it really is.
I don't know anywhere in the US where being gay was a death sentence. Oh, I get it, your auto correct must be on and you actually meant Middle East, which that makes sense then!
@@EventualWarlord Matthew Shephard? 2016 Orlando gay nightclub shooting? 2022 Colorado gay nightclub shooting? O'Shae Sibley in literally July of this year?
Something people need to remember when making a movie with a message is that there must be more in the way of entertaining in an effort to help get the message across. Otherwise, the message gets lost in translati-- [Weirdly loud screech] ..........WTF?!? However, the graphic nature of these make me feel that the directors had ZERO chill, Tropes that are cliches are only so because they function well. But these films make it feel, hollow and frail
@@elLooto It may be fictional but good dystopian fiction still has to make sense. Nothing about this make sense which is why I think it would've been better as a comedy (an intentional one anyway)
Oh god. I thought that this stupid thing I had seen on youtube when I was in my early years of high school was just something from my imagination. You’re telling me it actually was real?!!
I actually was in a class where we watched the original short to prompt an ethics discussion. It didn't go as badly as you might expect (as far as I remember), but my main takeway was the point you brought up about the weird logistics of this world.
i remember in another movie review by a diffrent youtuber who i no longer watch, they made a point on how complex and interconnected things are and how you can't just make an AU and have all the things in it be the same. it might seem simple of just saying "modern society with fantasy creatures" or "an all gay society" but then you have to really think about how a society like that would work because just looking at why things happen in our world is a complex thing. in this world of same sex attraction, what would even be the reason to interact with someone of the opposite sex? are things even more gendered? are trans still oppresed? are there stright pride parads like all the whiney people in outr world want? in a world fully gay, would there still be a race issue that couple deals with. what about other regions, do there mythology also confirm the same sex mantra in the films? you can't just say "i will make homosexuality the norm" and try to just make it our world? its lazy writing and downright insulting for writers who acturaly try and make an effort to make genuine effort to try and make an AU world.
This films world building also brings up questions like why do Christians in this universe hate straight people? what happens during the "breeding season" do they force people to have sex to make babies? is it an orgy thing that happens? And to follow up that question Why are straight people so hated in this universe when people have to have straight sex to make children to actually grow their population during these "breeding season" Like when you think about the film world building it just makes no sense on anything (if I miss anything let me know)
@@WorshipperOfKhone Honestly, same. At first, I thought it was a stupid thought, but there are some people who think like that and I could see a homophobe watching this movie and getting the wrong idea.
I interpet this as an attempt to warn gays into not becoming He Who Fights Monsters. Unfortunately, from what i've seen on Webtoon, Tumblr, Bluesky, and Twitter, they almost WANT to become said monster. They EMBRACE the abyss. That's why they stare bavk at it for as long as they can, because in their minds, it is the only thing that can give them the power to destroy their enemies.
I remember stumbling upon the short film in 2013..... as an lgbtq+ person myself, I think the idea of "what if GAY was STRAIGHT" inherently presupposes that straight is still "the norm," so it's kind of like... the question should instead be, "what if being gay was normalized or preferred culturally." I understand the appeal of being like "what if this were you" but I think it falls kind of flat when there's nothing else besides flipping "expected" roles. Also, are bi people as stigmatized in their world as in ours? Is the science far more advanced to create "test tube babies"? Just like, I get it, but it's not exactly an easy thing to show 1:1, and anyone who needs to see a simple 1:1 is probably not very talented in the brain cells department. Bullying is bad no matter what. edit: thank you for the neil breen, god bless
@@genericname2747homophobes don’t really have empathy like normal people do so a lot of them have to experience discrimination before they realize that discrimination is a bad thing
@@hemipenes Yeah but that's also my problem. I doubt homophobes would watch this and decide discrimination is wrong. They'd just think this is why gay people can't run the world.
@@ComradeMaryFromMars I was just thinking more like "Ok, it's been 6 months after purge, sign up for breeding season so we can keep the population going!"
Never understood the concept of the purge. How can you even have a working society where people can't function properly without behaving like animals once a year?
As someone who is queer, I've seen other LGBTQ+ people call straight people "breeders". I know that straight people aren't oppressed for being straight, but that term is gross. Especially if referring to anyone who is afab. Boiling someone down to being a "baby maker" is gross.
@@SioxerNikita yeah, and because i can, i can tell this comment is saying that calling people breeders is bad. you agree with them, yet are acting as if you dont. i ask again: can you read?
I remember watching this as a homophobic Christian girl and it really did haunt me. I really related to the girl and how isolated she was, and began to wonder if a lot of the stuff I was told about gay people choosing to be gay and how the world was trying to “make kids gay” was all just lies. It made me think differently about what it was like for gay kids my age, but mostly because I was really secluded in a hyper-religious household.
Honestly they should’ve leaned into the absurdity a lot more. You can still make a wacky movie and have a strong message, you don’t have to make it all doom and gloom for the sake of the message. Like what’s the point of it being a feature length movie at that point.
I watched this when i was 12 and balled my eyes out lmao. Looking back at it, it makes me cringe, but i grew up in a conservative area. It kinda helped kid me stop being homophobic so at least there's that. (Warning for self harm) On a more sour note, the cutting scene really got to me and my ocd ass reenacted it because the scene kept invading my head. Letting the intrusive thoughts win seemed like the best way to relieve them. And from what I remember, there hadn't been a warning on the video for such graphic depictions of cutting. The comments were disabled, so I couldn't point it out and ask for a proper warning. I was okay, I didn't go very deep, but it was pretty mentally scarring. You can show self harm in a more tasteful way if you're a good writer, less is more. It was pretty irresponsible of them...
I like your idea that everyone should work in a customer service role to avoid being Karens. I was a Saturday checkout assistant at a supermarket when I was a teen at school. It showed me how to treat similar people when I’m shopping
liberals trying to not be authoritarians and create dystopias challenge: impossible like lol imagine getting lined up and shot because the government found out you were day trading before you went to work as a wagie like god your an idiot
Why do feel the anti woke brigade will hold this up as an example of what the world is like for them? Like, seriously, this is like one of those oppression movies they love to make in disguise.
Some suggestions. They rage quit the game of life, They unalive themselves, They CRT+ALT+Delete, They Game over themselves, They cancelled their subscription to life, They got express shipping to heaven.
I am pretty sure most people who are homophobic are so because they think that it is unnatural, sinful, or doesn't propagate their favorite race, not because they don't understand what it feels like to be bullied and excluded. Besides, I think joy, love and humanity are better tools for engendering empathy than any amount of trauma and suffering.
I said this elsewhere in this comment section, but the premise of this film sounds more like it should be a satire on persecution by presenting an alternate universe where the roles are reversed, kind of like a Twilight Zone episode (like "Eye of the Beholder" that depicts a dystopia where "ugly" people are not only persecuted, but the standards of beauty are completely backwards). With that last part about how trauma isn't a good way to elicit empathy, I'll quote another TH-camr out of the original context "Their pain and suffering is not a motivational poster!"
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Awesome video. Such an amazing *Utopia** movie. Thanks for reviewing this. (This is the future liberals want..)
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Seeing this review it does make sense it is a Dystopian movie, making this comment during 19:04, Breeding season is more off putting than it sounds.
A wonderful choice, now going to see your take on it in the video.
My first thought about this movie was “If they’re all heterophobic how is the population reproducing?!?” But then the breeding season is introduced
The What?
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My question is how would this work out for trans people.
@@ShunJ89The thing about the governments that run dystopias is that they don't exactly care how a trans person would do so, just that they do, or that said trans person would be allowed into the dystopia's elite simply for not being "hetero."
"Breeders" _is_ the term, though, just in reference to Cynical Reviews' doubly-asked question.
For the record, the advertiser friendly way of saying someone committed suicide is to say that they unsub'd from life
Game ended themselves
😂 I’ve never heard that one
@@jerrys1now you have
Life is such a good service people are forced put just to make room
I wonder if this really helps people with mental health... I mean social media, making people hide it for profits.
As a bisexual this is one case where I am glad we've been completely forgotten about as usual.
Same, I can only shudder at the thought of this film attempting to find a way of building bisexuality into the already flimsy plot. (I am also bisexual)
Same here, from an asexual cousin. Sometimes people forgetting more exists than either-or is a good thing.
as a gay im jealous of you this movie is a nightmare
Yep😅
Yeah I was thinking exactly the same
The term "breeding season" not only sounds gross and disturbing in its implications, but it would fit better in a dystopian setting
To be fair I think that's how lizards do it
@@Terranallias18IIRC most animals actually!
I think the most insane thing to me is that they didn’t just have artificial insemination be the typical method of having more kids. Why have a breeding season where you are required to have sex with someone you aren’t attracted to when artificial insemination is right there! If you wanted to, make it a historical thing to explain how we got here, but the idea of it being present in the modern day is insane.
@@Terranallias18Don’t skip any more biology classes please
@@Blueeyesthewarriorbecause ivf is an incredibly expensive and resource consuming process. Yea, it exists and you can do it for uncommon cases of people who need it, but to maintain an entire population with just ivf is literally unfeasable
I remember seeing this film in school
The entire classroom made fun of it, even the gay kids
If that's not diversity idk what is
How many gay kids went to your school? I had like 15 max out of 2000
@beanbag884 there were a fair amount I mean it was school in a major progressive urban city at the tail end of 2018 so it's not like homophobia was an acceptable thing, social media was all the rager so no one really cared
Agreed, they showed it to us in Sociology, and everyone was laughing at how ham fisted the message was.
@@beanbag884that you know of 😁
@@beanbag884 like mikey said, that you know of ;)
seriously though, depending on where you live, it might not be safe for a lot of those kids to be out publicly
That's literally the first thing a 12yo would think when a progressive enough teacher tells him/her "bullying homosexual people is bad, how would you feel if the roles were reversed".
Except they're not 12yo...
If this movie was about a bunch of straight people in a world where straight people are oppressed making a movie about a world where gay people are oppressed, and then those gay people create a movie where straight people are oppressed, then it keeps going back and forth infinitely, this would have been the greatest movie of all time.
The cautionary tale of _infinitely recursive filmmaking._
I'm confused
@@skootergirl22 It means it's working. Good.
@@skootergirl22
Tis _elementary,_ really. For you see, in the real, _non-reversed_ world, where heterosexuality is the general norm, and homosexual individuals are oppressed, we have made a movie about where the roles are reversed; where homosexuality is the norm, and heterosexual individuals are oppressed.
But, in _that_ very fictional world, it would therefore follow that a film would be made where _heterosexuality_ is the norm, and then within the story of _that_ film, a film would be made where _homosexuality_ is the norm, ad infinitum.
And, the best part, in this ultimate version of the real-world film, it would be none other than our daring homosexual protagonists producing this _reversal_ film about if heterosexuality was the norm as in the real world (and the film those fictional heterosexual protagonists produce would feature its protagonists making their own reversal film, et cetera, forever swapping between heterosexuality and homosexuality being the norm within the fictional worlds of films).
_An inspirational tale, really._
And through it all, everyone would still pretend bisexuals don't exist.
As a lesbian that "if they had a man in the house" joke had me hollering
As a lesbian I said out loud "grab a f***ing tool!" when she went to bruise her shoulder against the door and then he said it, and, yes, I laughed too .-.
Ha. 🤣
Exactly! As a lesbian, I approve😭😭😭
It completely made me lose it, it shouldn’t have been that funny
It's the face he made and the way he raised the microphone before saying that phrase that slays me personally XD
This film tried to do what _The Twilight Zone_ did numerous times: put the oppressors in the oppressed's role to demonstrate how persecution feels, ostensibly to trigger bigotry-breaking empathy. But in the decade since this film, we've seen how projection bias and conspiracy theories distort the ability to even recognize the idea. That said, I was always fascinated with the film for the worldbuilding: I wanted to see what other kinds of stories could be told within it.
You know a "What if the oppressers were the oppressed" premise doesn't work when most oppressers already believe it to be the case.
Yeah this is just going to make their slippery slope bullshit stronger.
Narcissists usually do.
It's not pushing it's called education, if that is pushing LGBT onto kids then the system has and is pushing heterosexuality onto kids for many years more, and it was bigoted before, the only difference is no one was given enough freedom to call you out for it. How on earth do you feel the need to be the victims is incredible. And gay marriage seems like a natural progression of freedom, and what is more American than than freedom? Or is freedom limited to those like you?
@@billowspillow
Oh wow
Yes, being against your child knowing the existence of the LGBT and forbiding them from watching, let's say, the owl house, because 2 girls kiss is.....indeed, mockable.
And the fallacy keeps being a fallacy and the oppressors keep crying about it lmao
Thinking the world falls into two simple categories is mockable
i understand the message they were trying to convey, but watching this as a gay person, it really just feels like they wanted to make a world in which straight ppl got a turn to be the victims. you mean to say the only way you could imagine ppl caring about homophobia is if it happened to straight people?
Theee HANGER GAMEES
That's usually the only way that they gaf
Ok I’m not certain if I DID see this in school but the only bright is high school is the only reason i know the word homosexuality 😅
How the hell did she pull a bury your gays on ryan. From the short bits he looks like the most engaging and likable character. And talking about frat pressure is more than i expected. So he looks the most investable and evil priest mommy the most fun.
Christians with a persecution fetish? Color me surprised.
No but this is literally a joke in our house. “Coming out as straight to your liberal parents.”
Also when she said, “maybe there’s a hetero heaven.” I lost it 😂😂
I was expecting the answer to “where do baby make” being “fuck you we’re not explaining that” so I was preparing for a joke about mpreg or something, and then I got clocked by “the breeding season”
Or just "yeah, bi people exist"
@lilysnape6520 I mean they'd definitely be discriminated against still. Bi people's experience wouldn't change much if the situation was reversed
Why didn't they just say gay people reproduce. That'd make more sense.
@@KaliqueClawthorneThe percentage of bi people in the population still wouldn't be enough to keep society functioning.
The real question is, "Why breeding season and not artificial impregnation?"
Both options would've brought war flashbacks to the omegaverse and a stark reminder why I am the "if I suffer, you have to suffer too" type with my friends
So breeder is an insult, but during breeding season everyone just voluntarily agrees to participate in it?
Imagine what the yearly birth to death ratio must look like. How big is earth's population in this world?
@@Emberson-9000 I'm more interested in the logical conclusion that everyone is being born in the same one or two months.
@@darwinxavier3516Omg that’s true. I wanna see that subplot now. Though it would make sports a lot fairer. But they might as well have a “birthday season” as well
@@Emberson-9000 Population dynamics must work WAAAY different. It also feeds into the stereotype that all gay/lesbian people want to have kids, which isn't exactly always a positive portrayal.
Please someone tell me that breeding month is in June
6:05 This reminds me of the short film "Stereo" (which was actually written, directed and edited by a 13 year old girl for a school project and is actually very well made for someone that young), that depicts an alternate universe where gender stereotypes are reversed: girls are into sports and other masculine things while boys are into makeup, musical theater, dresses, etc. The main character who's a girl wants to do boyish stuff (in our universe, it's girly stuff. So she would be a femboy if this was in our universe). It's meant to be more of a commentary on how bad gender stereotypes are and how society has taken them as gospel with a message of acceptance for anyone who wants to do anything traditionally unmasculine/unfeminine. It's also not really an anti-bullying film and it ends on a happy note with some optimism for the future. I actually really enjoy it.
Update: With "Love is all you need?" isn't it a homophobic stereotype to depict boys being into unmasculine things? With lesbians, Hollywood tries to gaslight people into thinking it's empowering for lesbians to be portrayed as tomboys with that same stupid haircut, but when it comes to gays, their stereotypes are played for laughs.
You saying
"What's the scariest thing in the world? If you said gay people, you'd be right."
Whilst wearing a Chaos jacket and Berserk hate is just too funny
*Noise Marines and Griffith approves this message*
@@memeweirdguyn.0019*"THIS SILENCE OFFENDS SLAANESH!!!*
Berserk Hate?
@@hellacoorinna9995No, I don't think anyone here is hating on Berserk. I think OP is just making a joke about Griffith and his ambiguous sexuality.
Khorne hate gay sex
“What if the roles were reversed and this happened to you?” is *generally* not a good argument towards creating empathy in someone, because somehow who hates another person views their hatred as justified, whereas they would view their own persecution as not being so.
Homophobes, racists, misogynists, etc. aren’t JUST people who hate others for what they would consider to be *no reason*. They think their hateful opinions are entirely based in fact and reality, even if they’re not. Saying “What if straight people got treated the same way as gay people?” towards a group of bigots wouldn’t make much of an impact, because 1. it would be relying on a presentation of a fantasy world (one in which straight people were persecuted for being straight), which is not anything they’d ever have to worry about and thus would be difficult for them to take seriously, 2. bigots tend to be dismissive of the experiences of the people they hate anyway, so it would be met with claims that the experiences in the story were “exaggerated”, and 3. they’d view it as a failed equivalence, because in their opinion, the people they mistreat DESERVE to be mistreated, but they themselves do not.
“What if it happened to you?” works best in situations in which the target audience is largely ignorant of a particular persecution taking place, rather than complicit in it. It could be argued that perhaps that was the goal of these films, but you’d be hard-pressed to find a modern American teen who is somehow unaware of anti-gay discrimination, at least anywhere where schools and authorities would even want to screen a film like this. That’s the worst part about combating discrimination and bullying, really - roughly speaking, the parts of the world where this would be seen don’t need it as much as others, and the parts of the world that *would* need it would ban it outright. It’s extremely frustrating. So much important social commentary is preaching to the choir while everyone else refuses to listen.
Opinions are almost impossible to change so this sort of stuff is honestly just a waste of time and effort for everyone involved.
@@Jokoko2828 Opinions can be easy to change.
Put it best here. If you really want to get -ists and -phobes to empathize, it requires doing the unthinkable which is actually speaking on a personal level and getting to the heart of their prejudice. Much of everything else is just an affirmation of their views.
@@lukebytes5366A lot of people don't have enough critical thinking skills to engage in a conversation like that. (After all, society doesn't seem to support independent thinking.) So the dialogue that would solve a lot of these problems will never happen on a mass or individual level.
@@hinachan70it doesn't really require critical thinking, changing emotions with logic will always be an uphill battle. It's not about winning an argument, it's about giving people the kind of humanity they believe doesn't exist.
I remember seeing this randomly online as a kid. The "what if the roles were reversed" line of thinking doesn't work in creating empathy. It's still self-centered. Oppressed groups shouldn't have to keep bending over backwards for their oppressors to understand their point of view. Homophobes, racists, misogynists, etc. don't live in a world where their oppressed so, appealing to that "what if you were oppressed" line of thinking doesn't work. They think they are above the groups they are oppressing and completely close their ears to any other point of view. And if the audience isn't one of these hateful groups then this looks weird and tone-deaf because you'd be thinking "who tf doesn't know queer people are oppressed?".
Yeah but like, what if they were though?
Oh yeah so oppressed here in America lol. Oh wait all of mainstream kisses their butts. Shut up seriously.
Or just live life. There are always going to be people who hate other people for one reason or another.
So when the characters are chanting "Ro," I can't be the only one that keeps expecting someone to interject with "your boat!" right?
*_RO! RO! RO YOUR BOAT!_*
*_GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM!_*
*_MERRILY MERRILY MERRILY MERRILY!_*
*_LIFE IS BUT A DREAM, RO!_*
I was thinking the same thing although mainly the M&Ms ad where Yellow and Red are on a rowboat which leads to them as well as the other rowers singing Rock the Boat.
You aren't alone, we are many
“RO RO RO YOUR BOAT,
GENTLY DOWN THE STREAM,
HETERO HETERO HETERO HETERO,
GUT YOU WITH A BEAM, RO”
or even the competitive rowing events with one shouting at their team: "Row, row, row..."
They should've gone full omegaverse where you can just straight up have babies no matter the gender
Yeah
That reminds me of someone explaining why she ended up swearing off omegaverse entirely after she realized how screwed up it was, largely because she brought up a "fact" about male wolves that she knew wasn't true. And also how utterly insane it sounded once it came out of her mouth.
THATS SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY-
Lmao I was thinking of omegaverse too. I like reading it because it's silly but I've only ever found one that had a straight person in it (and a lot of them barely even have women as background characters?) so I just thought you could make a comedy combining this movie with omegaverse.
Or maybe bring back storks delivering babies or parents needing to grow their children out of the ground 😂
I bursted laughing with "the devianart Sonic OC reject in the background for no reason", immidietly remembered Donnie Darko and laughed till i started crying. Thank you!
What I find really funny about the "Breeder slur" is that "Breeder" is actually a "slur" that you sometimes see Antinatalists on Reddit use against people who have kids lol
The existence of the word "breeder" as a slur is hilariously ironic considering the people who tend to use it that way are the same ones who champion the idea of "her body, her choice"
@@robertwoods3871 That would mainly be childfree people.
@@robertwoods3871that reminded me of an idea I had for a zombie film where female zombies are referred to as "bleeders" colloquially by survivors
I didn't know there were militantly antinatalist people or that there was an actual community of them
Meanwhile I'm just over here politely hoping people just give up having kids until the world stops sucking lol
It also is used by heterophobic gay guys as a slur against bi or straight people. So they didn't make it up it just is less common now. 20+ years ago it was a lot more common around me.
I'm bi with a male partner and even I am cringing as each detail about the film comes out. I understand they wanted to get a good message across but there are so many better ways than this. Why don't they just show a normal gay couple in a healthy supportive relationship to show people it's perfectly normal? I'm sure it would be a lot easier to write and less painful to watch.
Because this is a problem we face today, people don't look at the idea of a "happy couple" or "happy family" and think is a good message, they let their own extremist ideas get the better of them, this is why everything about this today is so confusing for some people, there are extremists inside the Lgbt comunity and outside of it, this is an example of someones extremism getting the better of them.
It would have been soooo much better to just see a normal gay couple being a good and healthy family but no "Lets just make the whole world heterophobic and see how they like it".
@@Conarotounfortunately homophobes don’t really have empathy like normal people. Most of them can only understand that discrimination is bad if they experience it themselves.
@@hemipenesyeah you should’ve put a little bit more thought into that statement before you made it because it’s a helluva lot more complicated than that.
@@Conaroto while i agree on the healthy gay couple thing.
There are still "good written" "happy" familys out there.
One of my most hated tropes cause family is still are a overromantizised term and if you DARE to say anything against this social narrative you get shitted on. (I know that i dared to do that)
What we need more are well written Awful familys. Not over exaggerated like most are depicted. Cause NO. Fsmily is in and on itself only a word. And while it of course is not ALWAYS bad, it is neither always good.
@@Nimble.ninja910it isn’t really more complicated tbh
I legit watched this when I was younger and thought that it was super sad, but now with the current climate I can't help but think,, "This looks like a Republican's idea of what LGBT rights is."
Before I discovered I was bi, I watched this as a kid and I was so sad by it but now I'm just like "What were these people on to think this was a smart idea to make this"
I wouldn't say MOST Republicans, but definitely an Alt-Right or Tea Partier.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio Well the republican party as a platform is against gay people, even if not all republicans are anti-lgbt+. If one votes for that then they are at least by proxy enabling anti-gay legislation which we are seeing constantly today.
Yeah, nowadays watching this, it feels like some FOX news propaganda movie about "this is the world when the WOKE MIND VIRUS takes over".
my opinion is that a lot of modern pro lgbt culture is hell bent on proving radical republicans right. in the 90s there was always conservative pastors and whatnot who were saying allowing gay marrige would be the end of decency in america and it seems a lot of gay people nowadays that are being strangely sexual and acting like a normal person is looked upon as being 'wrong'
you can't just be a normal gay couple and live your life, you have to dress up in a gay parade half naked and wear rainbows. its like we've become so progressive we've somehow circled back to putting gay people in a stereotype again
This reminds me of how I feel about Christian movies. As a Christian, I generally think they have a positive message, but it’s always so poorly presented that I end up just cringing.
Veggietales good
@@genericname2747 True, VeggieTales is 🔥
@@genericname2747 Agreed from the clips I have seen of it.
@@jerrys1 This is true
Christian propaganda kept me an atheist for decades. That and all the institutional hypocrisy. You just want to say "Oh no, honey...you're making it worse."
But that's fundamental to the art of spiritual warfare: infiltration, aka "darkness masquerading as light" or "wolves in sheep's clothing."
Imagine the headache that would go into imagining what the prisons would be like in this franchise.
Why would that be an issue? If nearly everybody is gay then that gets rid of the prison r word issue and a lot of masculinity issues that surround that
@@Terranallias18 not really
@@Not_Always How so? Wouldn't there be a lot of casual sex in prison
@@Terranallias18 R word is not really about sex. It’s about power, especially in an environment like prison, where being perceived as more powerful will lead to less harassment and a lower chance of getting into altercations with other prisoners.
I assume mixed prisons with cell distribution having men and women be in a checkered pattern?
To confirm your comment about how Homophobes would miss the point: I've seen the short being spread around by bigots claiming it's a "declaration of intent" and "the world gays want" to feign their own victimhood
Remember the queer choir singing "we're coming for your children?"
Thats way more likely to stoke the homophones.
They were chanting "We're not going shopping", the only one saying "We're coming for your children" was the guy behind the camera trying to make them look bad @@elLooto
@@BlueMageDaisen I just went and checked it out again.
what guy behind the camera? Its a produced video, not a live recording.
Lyrics:
“We’ll convert your children, happens bit by bit,
quietly and subtlety and you will barely notice it.
You can keep them from disco,
warn about San Francisco,
make ’em wear pleated pants,
we don’t care.
We’ll convert your children…
we’ll make them tolerant and fair.
Just like you’re worried, they’ll change their group of friends,
you won’t approve of where they go at night.
And you’ll be disgusted when they start learning things online
that you kept far from their sight.
We’ll convert your children - Yes we will!
Reaching one and all,
there’s really no escaping it, cause even grandma likes RuPaul.
The world’s getting kinder, Gen Z’s gayer than Grindr.
We’re coming for them.
We’re coming for your children.
The gay agenda is coming home.
The gay agenda is here.”
We seem to be talking about two different things and I do not believe yours is genuine@@elLooto
@@BlueMageDaisen Wow TH-cam really doesnt want me talking about this at all. Ive tried a half dozen times, and it keeps getting deleted. (I'm checking on a second browser, btw, on a second account)
If I had a nickel for everytime one of these movies would show the protagonist struggling to open the bottle I'd have two which is weird....and they both have the same actor from cyberbully whatever her name was
She used to be in Hannah Montana. Blame her for why she's in such trite.
💯👍🏿
"i cAn'T gET tHe cAP OfF!!!!!!!!!" Skill issue 😏
I wonder if it's like Brad Pitt eating or Tom Cruise running. "There has to be a scene where someone struggles to get a pill bottle cap off, or I'm not in."
You didn't do the joke right
Its "If I had a nickel for every time one of these movies would show the protagonist struggling to open the bottle, I'd have two but its weird it happened twice"
If you're going to quote a wise man (Doofenshmirtz), you have to do it right /j
When I think about movies like this, I mostly imagine the people watching and thinking "this is genuinely what is going to happen if we let gay people marry"
Because I know they exist
thats how everyone took it when they showed it to us in my school like the homophobia went up to 99% pressure release with that shit lol and good because tht is what they want to do to us theyd opress the fuck out of us if they could lol and they currently are trying to and succeeding rn
In my opinion, that can't necessarily be unless queer ideology is that irrational which I do not believe to be the case and I believe queer ideology is a terrible philosophy(alongside post-genderism, antinatalism, Nazism, ultranationalism, etc)
In my eyes, they are probably less dangerous than countries leading a rise in cohabitation over marriage and treating marriage like a cultural fossil when it is actually a necessity for most people.
@@ibrahimihsan2090you believe that respecting queer peoples rights and not harassing or murdering them is a bad ideology?
@@paolodybalastoe nice strawman
@@paolodybalastoe Do you even know what you're saying?
"Queer" people have the right to be good human beings. Not degenerates. That's like saying pedophiles and zoophiles have the right to be child and animal abusers. Sorry if this is shocking but homosexual acts are pretty evil.
That, however, doesn't immediately mean that I want people to bully children who may as well simply feel like they like these things. That is sick!
Being against something doesn't immediately mean being compliant with extrajudicial and excessive acts of violence. That is Twitter level baloney.
"The roads were paved with gold and so everyone was gay."
-Bilbo Baggins
Advertiser friendly ways to say "committed suicide":
- "Permabanned from Twitter"
- *Roblox oof sound*
- "Unalived" (a classic)
- "Got the cap off"
- "Unsubscribed from life"
- "Rage quit[ted]"
- "Deleted System 32"
- "Canceled their free trial"
- "Quit [their] game without saving"
- "Pressed Alt+F4"
Based on Terraria death messages:
- "Was slain/eviscerated/murdered/smote by [themself]"
- "Removed [themself] from the world"
- "Ended [their] journey"
- "Visited Ocram's house"
- "Sent [themself] to the bone zone"
- "Misplaced [their] parts"
- "Ended [their] living streak"
- "Fatally injured [themself]"
- "Extractinated [their] soul"
- "Ended [their] depravity"
- "Popped [their] clogs"
- "Stopped [their] ticker"
- "Put [themself] on the wrong side of the grass"
Based on Don't Starve:
- "Died from shenanigans"
- "Got resurrection sickness"
The good ending: she got the cap off :)
-Returned their birth certificate
-Started New Game Plus
"exited server"
I actually got shown that video in 6th grade. I get the point they wanted to make but the extremely graphic suicide really shouldn't be shown to 11 year olds. We didn't get any warning and it really freaked out a lot of the kids. That teacher got fired the year after though
Yeah this would have given me a panic attack if I was shown it that young
I remember coming across the video and watching it when I was a little younger and was honestly expecting an ending where the girl would have a good ending and defeat her bullies.. but when I saw the suicide scene I was literally horrified
and burst into tears when it finished and regretted watching it..
The unexpected return of "I can't get the cap off" was the energy boost I needed to start my week, I hadn't laughed that hard in a long time
You know, for a movie meant to have a pro-LGBT message, there is sure a lot of bi/ace erasure going on here.
Is their REEALLY?
Just like most other pro-LGBTQ+ messages!
LMAO no one's erasing supposed ace people, they are few and far between and should probably go to therapy for their trauma from being bad touched as a child.
It's a (Not very good) movie about being gay, the extra nonsense doesn't apply.
Real, the amount of disrespect ace folk get even from other queers is ridiculous. Even the internal erasure by trying to rewrite the definition of sexual attraction so people who still have sex can call themselves 'ace' keeps getting bandied about. Yet another reason for me to be jaded against the community
We were shown this at my school in Scotland. As a gay kid it was odd to say the least. Then again we were shown literally shown images of *injuries* shall we say. But some of the bullying does reflect what I faced even what the teacher said by blaming her.
"gay kid"?
Where in Scotland was this? We never got shown this film.
@@eriksvensson6054 yes. A male teenager being attracted to fellow male teens
@@eriksvensson6054Yes, children have sexualities.
@@genericname2747 Im sure you wish that
"Breeder" is actually a real slur for bisexual people. I've seen a number of instances where hateful bigots (IN the LGBT community) called bisexual people "breeders". I read a story from someone who was at a parade, and someone else from the community shoved a whistle in their mouth and told them to "blow it, breeder".
Honestly, not enough people talking about biphobia it is still so rampant...
@colonelthunderbolt4396 as a bisexual- is this a thing? I've never heard that term be used against someone like that
not saying you're wrong, I'm just genuinely curious
@@ZippyMcBeans It can happen, but most of the time, biphobia is usually like erasure or stereotypes like being promiscuous/confused/dishonest. I've seen some people who refuse to date bisexuals because they "might cheat on them with someone of the opposite gender" or that they're just "going through a phase".
Oh yeah, and the fetishization from people who want a threesome
@@star-miubin yeah but I was talking about "breeder"- I should've been more straightforward lmao
@@ZippyMcBeans Yes it is. This and general biphobia are the reasons why I usually don't hang around larger groups in the community.
As a gay people I can confirm that I am the most terrifying entity on this planet
as a bi people im ....not sure
@@swain-Ix1tv You're a Biplane, that's what you are.
Scariest fruit on earth.
@@jackalenterprisesofohiobro is NOT the red baron
me too
The fact that there is a breeding season implies that everyone es born in the same season (9 months after the breeding season) that would be a LOT of birthdays happening too close
Working at the hospital during this must be a fucking nightmare 😂
Maybe each community has a different breeding season tho
Why does it feel like this movie is something that anti-LGBT people would miss the meaning and use this as "proof" that the LGBT want this sort of world to actually exist and use it to push hate and their restrictions in order to "prevent this from happening" and/or proof that straight people are the ones actually bullied/hated/being erased/etc.... completely missing the message or irony of the point of what is being depicted.
Note: wrote this before finishing the video and the point you said something similar lol.
It would have been funny if the all the gay bullies did was give their victims a makeover.
0/10 not enough glitter lol
My mind goes to the South Park “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” parody, except with crab people, with Lady Gaga playing in the background. Actually, now that I think about it, I think that episode conveys the message this movie was trying to portray much better.
@@elisabethheiman2104if i was trying to do any kind of activism and someone said that south park was doing it better than me id unsub from life
@@25thDaveWalker Don't be an asshole its transgender not transvestite
"You WILL look fabulous! Don't fight it!"
I remember seeing the short film when I was around fourteen. I wouldn't say I was homophobic but I definetely otherized gay people and watching it did make it click in my head how wrong that was. I would've been genuinely sad at the self deletion scene if it didn't look so cheaply made. I only remember it being her standing in a bathtub while blood fell in the water. Wasn't expecting much though since it was a short film, so I always thought it was pretty good.
Edit: That verse about shellfish was Mosaic law which we're not under anymore and there were a lot of other banned foods we can eat now.
Maybe you found the consept of being gay weird. That's not the same thing as hate.
Hey you know what good for you. You changed your views on a minority for the better. Not many people would do that.
Hey you know what good for you. You changed your views on a minority for the better. Not many people would do that.
Yeah, Acts 10. And it doesn't just apply to food, it applies to all of the Mosaic laws regarding spiritual cleanliness.
One of Paul's letters said that if people still insist on the practice, they can do it, but don't force others to do the same.
People otherize groups they aren't a part of, in general. There is not necessarily anything directly wrong with that, as long as you treat everyone fine.
One of my high school Health teachers showed us the short film (minus the suicide scene, since she skipped to the ending message about it being based on true stories), and everyone afterward was talking less about the message and more how nonsensical the setting is.
This kind of world building makes me think about some Urban Fantasy novels, where mythical creatures are just humans with some gadget and aesthetic features (wings, horns, odd eye colours…) but, aside of it, live in a really human-minded world, like they work in police-like guard (with earthly grades like lieutenant or captain), ride bikes and dress as fashionistas, have appartements or drink coffee…
I feel like some "human" esque societies are better than others. I'll use two animated movies as an example
1- Onward is a fun urban fantasy movie where all kinds of creatures such as elves, mermaids, and centaurs live in a modern society but the protagonists being elves has no bearing on the plot or world building. Almost everything is scaled to them even when it doesn't make sense. There's a scene of tiny pixie bikers that drive huge (regular) sized motorcycles and one of the main characters does the generic domino joke of knocking them all over. They might as well as be humans. It honestly would've been funnier if he stepped on a bunch of tiny motorcycles at the same time.
2- Zootopia is a buddy cop movie set in a world where all other mammals (Foxes, bunnies, bears, pigs, ect) evolved without primates, including no humans. The main city shows us that almost every scale measure has been accounted for, but not all of them. A fox scam artist buys an elephant popsicle, melts it into dozens more in the arctic district, and sells them to a bunch of lemmings. He then sells the popsicle sticks to a rodent construction worker. He takes advantage of the fact this world ISN'T restricted to basically our world but animals. The movie does use animals as race analogs but it never forgets to make it's world believable by establishing that it has some major differences to ours.
@@Dalton_Boardman2000 elves aren't humans, also, tehy aren't mythical.
@@Dalton_Boardman2000I didn’t saw “Onward”, but I really liked Zootopia.
The world building was clear, well-placed and some hints were really well placed (the play at the start, and the chase through the museum). A very good example on how to set a world who is at the same time similar and different.
That kinda sounds like an anime.
The way you delivered the "if only they had a man in the house" for the door breakdown scene actually made me laugh out loud. Not just the rapid-nasal-exhale either, gave me a proper laugh, thank you xD
It was a horrible, disrespectful joke to laugh at. People will be going to hell for laughing at it.
Hello. My name is Scott. I'll be driving the bus.....
Tbh, "What if straights were oppressed" is such an absurd premise that I think they kind of had to execute it in an over-the-top way. I don't think a serious, nuanced drama would work considering the premise is already not very serious. It's a good message, though.
Yeah, we've gotta keep them down or they'll oppress us
They literally had to explain the message. All I saw was a lot of pent up frustration from someone on the more extreme end on the LGBTQ side and my end of the sexuality spectrum being laughed at on top of that. Like it just felt like a hate message. You know seen similar stuff on WW2 propaganda and I can't really say I am happy with that either.
The intent behind the film and short seems to be well intentioned, and to get us to examine how we treat homosexuals, by having the whole concept being flipped. But the possibility of Bisexuality or Pansexuality isn't addressed at all, or even being Ace or Demi.
Why am I not surprised by that?
The film couldn’t handle a shred of nuance; ironic considering it’s trying to raise awareness, while simultaneously ignoring an entire subset.
Conversely, it is an attempt to look at the problem from a Neitzchian perspective, asking a gay audience if they were strong enough to not stare into the abyss lest it stare bavk, and they become He Who Fights Monsters. Unfortunately, I can see a lot of people in the comments section easily becoming said monster because they either missed the point, or simply don't care how much damage they have to do to get their perceived revenge, only that they DO get said revenge.
also what about asexuality? Like if you just went "everyone is kinda eww tbh" in that universe, how would people respond? Considering they are primarily "bigots" about hetero people, would asexual people be treated the same as our current society treats them (mostly condescendingly saying "you just haven't met the right one yet") or would there be more understanding? Would they still have to participate in breeding season, even if they were on the s*x repulsed side of the spectrum? What happens if you don't participate in breeding season at all as well? Like you are so heterophobic, you just can't get the mood going to produce a child with someone? so many questions, no answers.
@@OneToxicPixel Ya know, putting quotes around bigots implies that heterophobes don't exist, or that they aren't as bad a homophobes.
I have never heard about this movie before this, and I was honestly expecting going into this that it was anti-LGBTQ and was playing it off as being 'the future liberals want' and victim-playing heterosexuality like you said at the start.
What I think, considering I'm Bisexual(, and, albeit, tend to be a little too forgiving of an individual,) myself?: Good intentions by premise and purpose, but badly executed and more overdramatic than it needs to be.
I also assumed this was going to be some kind of "the straights are the REAL victims" dystopian thing, not a well-meaning pro-lgbt (or I guess just pro-lg) movie that fumbled the execution.
@@FrenkTheJoy Wish it was a Pro-LG movie instead, in the other way. We need to fight for the rights of those ultrawide electronic monitors!
I kept thinking they were gonna start singing "row, row, row your boat" when they were chanting "ro"
During your conclusion, you touched on what I was thinking when you asked if it felt like a comedy sketch. That is the idea of homophobes pointing at this movie and saying, "See? This is what it would be like if they were in charge." I could just as easily see this movie being very much the same if someone who was homophobic created it as a sort of Twilight Zone style excuse as to justify their homophobic behavior.
I was going to say that it would probably lean into gay and lesbian stereotypes more, and it likely would, but considering that the actual movie makes the girls the athletes and boys into theater arts, which are stereotypes, it would not be by as much as I first thought.
lol no all i say is look its thel ibs telling us what there gonna do again lol
@@thecoolestofthe834s2what? Actual incomprehensible homophobic brainrot
@@thecoolestofthe834s2what kind of abc soup diarrhea of a comment did I just read
"He A Little Confused But He Got The Spirit" The FUCKING MOVIE
The worst thing about this in my opinion is how it justifies the more subtle elements of dystopia and hate. Most homophobes aren't out there beating gay people with sticks every day, it's the smaller things, and people who don't even know that they're doing it. Someone who says "I'm not inviting [Gay Person] to the neighbourhood event because there's just *something* I don't like about them" can look at this as the face of homophobia, and feel vindicated that *they're* not a bigot, *they* would never tie someone to a carousel and beat them up. It's a shame, because if it had been done well, it could have been at least decently interesting. A film where a character reveals that they're into the opposite sex, and are just treated quietly differently. All it takes is a mum saying "oh sweetheart that's...great" in the right tone of voice, or maybe she was going to be one of the lead roles in the play and loses it for reasons never properly specified. I don't think the majority of churches have an outright message of "gay people will burn in hell", but just having a slight pause after the priestess says something which implies that being gay is wrong, during which a few people glance at the main character like "we all know this is about you, but we can't say it". That feeling of discomfort when it's hard to outright accuse any particular person of a hate crime or mistreating the character is far more poignant than just a message of "don't punch gay people in the face, that's wrong", and would help a lot more people understand the more less obvious ways that they are making life difficult for other people based on sexuality.
Implicit bias is mean, but it's not oppression. Just thicken your skin bro and get over yourself.
Oppression ended in the Americas long ago my man. @@paolodybalastoe
@@JaxonElzingayou’re lack of empathy stems from your privilege
Everyone in the west is privileged.@@ching597
That's exactly what I was thinking. It feels way too on the nose and over the top. I'm not LGBT myself, so I can't say from experience what might be more realistic, but even I know that the Westboro Baptist types are not (and probably never have been) the #1 most prominent exemplars of homophobia. There's those scenes in Louie Theroux's film about them, where for example a guy essentially says "y'know I disagree with the lifestyle, but..." Obviously the hatred of troops did much to further lessen their appeal even amongst "casual" (?) conservative-Christian American homophobes, but so did the super-obvious hatred as opposed to "hate the sin not the sinner" or whatever
great review. this film is a great example of if a film has a good message does not make it great if it has a bad story and is poorly done. hell, if you want to see discrimination reverse of the way it's usually seen just look at the radical/extremist sides to things like Afrocentrism.
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My answer: Mpreg is canon in this universe, but the movie didnt had the BALLS to say it
Unironically i did this with a story of mine. I wanted to create a world where homophobia (among other things) didn't exist. Having same sex couples able to reproduce naturally means it is normalized the same as opposite sex couples. (Magic exists in that world and can allow men to carry and women to impregnate, there's nothing stopping het couples from doing it too)
@@myheartismadeofstars Ultra super mega based
@@wendigomaneiro8892 now I need to create a het magic couple where the guy is the carrying parent lol
@@myheartismadeofstars If mpreg was real homophobia would still exist because racism exists dispite race having nearly nothing to do with what you can offer society
wait the thing about it being weird to be friends with the opposite sex doesn't even work here. it's considered weird for men and women to be friends because people assume there's gonna be sexual tension. if they were actually trying to flip this they'd make it weird for people of the same gender to be friends ??
This reminds me of the film Babakiuaria in concept. There, it was "What if white people were the natives of Australia and modern aboriginals showed up and colonised." Only there, it was clever. It was intelligently commenting on the political and social state of Australia (and relevant to a lot of other countries). It was also done with humour, a mockumentary making an excellent and well done message.
This is just... well, bad. It's trite and poorly delivered.
How did they account for the fact that 'white people' were the industrious builders who found unbuilt locations and, you know, built there? Presumably the swapped roles would lead to the new-colonisers finding a few towns and cities, right?
I'm going to have to keep this movie in mind, that sounds really interesting!!
I watched that movie in English class last year, it's a very clever movie
If dark skinned people were the ones who took over the world
@taviebrown2271 it is, and last I checked it's here on TH-cam for free. It got me with its opening gag, which I won't spoil but it's great!
Hating hetero people is not the opposite of h@mophobia, being tolerant to any sexual orientation is.
based
You could've just said it was heterophobia which IS real by the way.
Find it weird that some people sensor homophobia, facist, racist, etc. over sensitivity to me
@@TheIrreverentUncleAlIt exists, the same way the fear of being watched by a duck exists. Finding someone who is genuinenly bigoted against heteros like heteros are bigoted against gays is very unlikely, just like finding a person who is genuinenly afraid of being watched by a duck.
@@sharkenjoyer That's actually a really good explanation! Thanks!
When I think about it, the concept of this alternate universe sounds like the plot of an edgy, politically incorrect adult comedy where a bunch of immature idiots go time traveling but they accidentally changed the future, creating a society where discrimination between hetero and homosexual people are reversed and they have to find a way to fix the timeline.
finally the Oppenheimer review
Oppenheimer is Nolan's gay fanfiction.
I have no way of proving it, nor do i know for sure how it works, but this movie mysteriously getting 3.6 million dollars says money laundering to me. Someone had a lot of coke money and needed a way to wash it.
The incredible logic of homosexuality being the norm but single-sex frats and sororities being a thing is incredible because it gives you moments like that seven minutes in heaven nonsense where it’s like “go on, make out with your brother” 💀
(not that it's stopped that from happening in real life, thankfully rarely but sadly at all)
What I'm saying is, this premise doesn't make sense without Starship Troopers showers and frats/sororities and bathrooms by similar rules.
i remember coming across this as a kid (very closeted lesbian)and seeing the attempted scene (when it was still up i saw it all in like 4k) and it scarred me like i was so horrified.
I’ve seen the first short before and am reminded of another short film that also dived into the “what if the minority was normalized” called Jeremy the Dud where disabled people were treated like regular people and non disabled people were infantilized and given demeaning jobs. I’m disabled myself and I thought it was okay and I loved seeing a lot of disabled actors in it.
How does that come about in the first place? That feels like a crab bucket mentality thing
If the world was neurodivent and wasn't built for neurotypicals
@@skootergirl22neurodivergent world: 💌💗💞🪷⚘️🌷🪻🦋🧁🍰🎂🍩🍭🍬🌈⭐️🌟🌠✨️🧚🧜💃🕺
(/j, obvi)
sounds like a bad version of harrison bergeron
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I think my biggest issue with this is that by saying “what if gay was straight”, they implied message is “what if being gay was normal.” By making it seem like some kind of shocking dystopia, it implies that being straight is the default in our real world. Something, something, by treating homosexuality as abnormal you’re perpetuating the idea that it’ll always be “weird” by default
Which is concerning.
Heterosexual behavior makes sense as a social norm, as homosexual behaviors - those which resemble reproductive processes, but without actually contributing to sexual reproduction - are punished by evolutionary processes, given that the qualities of those behaviors would make reproduction less likely.
It makes sense that heterosexual behavior - or social attraction to members of the opposite sex - would increase the likelihood of reproduction, and by extension continuation of an individual's lineage.
Thus, to the extent that homosexual behavior is determined by genetics, it is expected to be made scarce due to evolutionary processes.
In modern times, this could be a bit less relevant to humans as a species due to our more complicated social structures, but an impact must have been had over however many generations it must have taken for civilization to develop.
It's interesting, therefore, to think about a predominantly homosexual (at least from a human perspective) world, since it would seem biologically counterintuitive, and since it would make sense to produce a very different society.
@@BinaryBolias it could be interesting yeah, but they didn’t do nearly as much with it as they should have. Plus, that wasn’t the point. It wasn’t an exploration of “what if,” it was meant to have an anti-bullying message. Speculative fiction is fun to play with, especially since this world could theoretically have very good artificial fertilization technology, or there’s the much weirder “breeding season” thing that just sounds like smth from an omega verse fanfic.
Also the idea that homosexuality is “punished” by evolution is inherently flawed due to the existence of bisexuals, but that’s not smth I wanna argue about right now. Gay people will always exist, since they came from straight people. There isn’t a “gay gene” that will slowly be eradicated, as it clearly hasn’t happened yet
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On the latter matter of evolution absolution, I express that homosexual behaviors are only punished by evolutionary processes to the same extent that they are determined by genetics.
Based on my argument. the existence of people who express homosexual behavior seems to merely indicate that the behavior must not be solely defined by genetics, rather than render my logic to be inherently flawed.
Essentially, any behavior which is a detriment to reproduction is "punished" by evolutionary processes, as an individual exhibiting such a behavior is definitionally less likely to reproduce.
I assert that homosexual behavior is detrimental to the likelihood of sexually reproducing, applying the aforementioned logic to it.
I have not supposed that homosexual behavior can be completely attributed to genetics.
Thus, I consider homosexual behavior to be punished by evolutionary processes, but I do not consider such behavior to be solely determined by those processes.
To anthropomorphize: Evolution is (probably, or usually) homophobic, but it can't necessarily do anything about it.
hetero is normal. our bodies literally created and evolved for PIV
"love is all you need"
I hate that kind of empty shallow sentimentalism.
People who believe in that nonsense don't understand that others have every right to choose who they like and want to be friends with and that when someone says "well I don't like you" there's no "discussion" to be had on the "issue".
Maybe that’s why there’s a ? At tue end
I think it's just a Beatles reference
Hey you're the dude who went on a rant about "friendship and equality" being taught to kids.
Ngl, the line from the teacher in the feature-length film saying, "they're only doing this because they're jealous", is so real. When I was bullied growing up, every adult I'd tell would say this to me.
I remember watching this in school when I was in middleschool, I found it to be really eye opening. I live in northeast US where being lgbt+ isn't always a death sentence so I wasn't aware how bad it really is.
I don't know anywhere in the US where being gay was a death sentence. Oh, I get it, your auto correct must be on and you actually meant Middle East, which that makes sense then!
You seem like the kind of person who would watch District 9 and go “I didn’t realize how bad life is in this country for aliens from outer space.”
Wow, people really got upset over this comment
@@EventualWarlordthis is a very cruel thing to say. The suicide rates of queer folks is the result of the abuse they are subject to.
@@EventualWarlord Matthew Shephard? 2016 Orlando gay nightclub shooting? 2022 Colorado gay nightclub shooting? O'Shae Sibley in literally July of this year?
Something people need to remember when making a movie with a message is that there must be more in the way of entertaining in an effort to help get the message across. Otherwise, the message gets lost in translati--
[Weirdly loud screech]
..........WTF?!?
However, the graphic nature of these make me feel that the directors had ZERO chill,
Tropes that are cliches are only so because they function well. But these films make it feel, hollow and frail
I could see this working as an over the top satire but as a serious dystopian film it falls flat on it's face
Theres nothing like a good dystopic work.
And this was nothing like a good dystopic work.
@@elLooto It may be fictional but good dystopian fiction still has to make sense. Nothing about this make sense which is why I think it would've been better as a comedy (an intentional one anyway)
"Ew, straight people! What good are they beside being the reason we still exist?... wait"
Tripping in the Rift tried that.
I could either see this as satire or the plot of some politically incorrect, edgy adult comedy about time traveling.
When the university guys were chanting "Ro ro ro!!!", I was half-expecting Cynical Reviews to start chanting "Row row row your boat." 🤣🤣
Oh god. I thought that this stupid thing I had seen on youtube when I was in my early years of high school was just something from my imagination. You’re telling me it actually was real?!!
It's like that time I found out planking was real, and not just some stupid shit they made up for The Office.
I saw the short version of the first film in 2017 and was forever wondering if I'd ever see it ever again
I actually was in a class where we watched the original short to prompt an ethics discussion. It didn't go as badly as you might expect (as far as I remember), but my main takeway was the point you brought up about the weird logistics of this world.
So happy for a new video! I love watching your movie reviews ❤
i remember in another movie review by a diffrent youtuber who i no longer watch, they made a point on how complex and interconnected things are and how you can't just make an AU and have all the things in it be the same. it might seem simple of just saying "modern society with fantasy creatures" or "an all gay society" but then you have to really think about how a society like that would work because just looking at why things happen in our world is a complex thing.
in this world of same sex attraction, what would even be the reason to interact with someone of the opposite sex? are things even more gendered? are trans still oppresed? are there stright pride parads like all the whiney people in outr world want? in a world fully gay, would there still be a race issue that couple deals with. what about other regions, do there mythology also confirm the same sex mantra in the films?
you can't just say "i will make homosexuality the norm" and try to just make it our world? its lazy writing and downright insulting for writers who acturaly try and make an effort to make genuine effort to try and make an AU world.
This films world building also brings up questions like why do Christians in this universe hate straight people? what happens during the "breeding season" do they force people to have sex to make babies? is it an orgy thing that happens? And to follow up that question Why are straight people so hated in this universe when people have to have straight sex to make children to actually grow their population during these "breeding season"
Like when you think about the film world building it just makes no sense on anything (if I miss anything let me know)
Those hard to remove pill bottle caps are really out there saving lives.
All jokes aside this is literally what conservatives think the world would be like if gay people having basic human rights where world wide.
Even in this comment section there are conservatives trying to pretend that straight people are oppressed
That's what I kind of thought the first time I heard about this film
@@WorshipperOfKhone Honestly, same. At first, I thought it was a stupid thought, but there are some people who think like that and I could see a homophobe watching this movie and getting the wrong idea.
Are you insane?
Although you are going to have a bit of trouble getting queer acceptance past a Sharia country.
@@ching597 hetereophobia isnt like anti white racism and misandry.
i cant help but imagine some people use this film as evidence that straight people are actually being oppressed lol
I interpet this as an attempt to warn gays into not becoming He Who Fights Monsters. Unfortunately, from what i've seen on Webtoon, Tumblr, Bluesky, and Twitter, they almost WANT to become said monster. They EMBRACE the abyss. That's why they stare bavk at it for as long as they can, because in their minds, it is the only thing that can give them the power to destroy their enemies.
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Wut?
@@captaincrazycreative It is depressing that you cannot comprehend Fredrick Neitzche.
@@Green-Raccoon777 sir this is a Wendy's
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“He who fights monsters” in this context is another version of the “the victim becomes the bully” cliche, essentially.
I mean, as a gay dude, I AM quite scary.
I remember stumbling upon the short film in 2013..... as an lgbtq+ person myself, I think the idea of "what if GAY was STRAIGHT" inherently presupposes that straight is still "the norm," so it's kind of like... the question should instead be, "what if being gay was normalized or preferred culturally." I understand the appeal of being like "what if this were you" but I think it falls kind of flat when there's nothing else besides flipping "expected" roles. Also, are bi people as stigmatized in their world as in ours? Is the science far more advanced to create "test tube babies"? Just like, I get it, but it's not exactly an easy thing to show 1:1, and anyone who needs to see a simple 1:1 is probably not very talented in the brain cells department. Bullying is bad no matter what.
edit: thank you for the neil breen, god bless
It also falls on the issue of "I can only sympathize when I'm being directly affected," which is something we need to desperately unlearn as well.
@@kai6377 That's my problem too. Like, you needed a film where straight people get discriminated against to realize discrimination is bad?
@@kai6377that's the problem. There's alot of people that will never think like that.
@@genericname2747homophobes don’t really have empathy like normal people do so a lot of them have to experience discrimination before they realize that discrimination is a bad thing
@@hemipenes Yeah but that's also my problem. I doubt homophobes would watch this and decide discrimination is wrong. They'd just think this is why gay people can't run the world.
"Breeding season" sounds like something that would be in the Purge movies.
Rapey purge spin off or something
@@ComradeMaryFromMars I was just thinking more like "Ok, it's been 6 months after purge, sign up for breeding season so we can keep the population going!"
@@varsityreviews707 I could see that lol
Never understood the concept of the purge. How can you even have a working society where people can't function properly without behaving like animals once a year?
As someone who is queer, I've seen other LGBTQ+ people call straight people "breeders". I know that straight people aren't oppressed for being straight, but that term is gross. Especially if referring to anyone who is afab. Boiling someone down to being a "baby maker" is gross.
You are aware, that calling straight people breeder, and looking down upon them, is actually being oppressive, which is also oppressing.
@@SioxerNikitacan you read
@@theMyRadiowasTaken Can you?
@@SioxerNikita yeah, and because i can, i can tell this comment is saying that calling people breeders is bad. you agree with them, yet are acting as if you dont. i ask again: can you read?
@@theMyRadiowasTaken Then you'd also read the part that says "I know straight people aren't oppressed for being straight"...
Or did you miss that?
The plot of this movie sounds like the plot of a old South Park episode
_South Park: Joining the Panderverse_ is quite recent.
I feel like this film would backfire in that it would create more bullying.
I'm certain it will or has
It probably has and is probably being used to try and justify why gays shouldn’t get rights
All the slurs make me think is "Ro, Ro, Ro your boat!"
Not exactly what you're meant to think when a slur is used...
Ro, Ro, fight the power!!
... Guren Lagaan joke.
"Breeder" as a slur doesn't make sense in the context of the world, because of the whole... you know... BREEDING SEASON! What terrible worldbuilding.
_"Season-enjoyer!"_
The question mark is so unneeded and confusing. Imagine if every movie had that
Scott Pilgrim VS The World?
Deadpool?
Back To The Future?
I remember watching this as a homophobic Christian girl and it really did haunt me. I really related to the girl and how isolated she was, and began to wonder if a lot of the stuff I was told about gay people choosing to be gay and how the world was trying to “make kids gay” was all just lies. It made me think differently about what it was like for gay kids my age, but mostly because I was really secluded in a hyper-religious household.
Honestly they should’ve leaned into the absurdity a lot more. You can still make a wacky movie and have a strong message, you don’t have to make it all doom and gloom for the sake of the message. Like what’s the point of it being a feature length movie at that point.
I watched this when i was 12 and balled my eyes out lmao. Looking back at it, it makes me cringe, but i grew up in a conservative area. It kinda helped kid me stop being homophobic so at least there's that.
(Warning for self harm)
On a more sour note, the cutting scene really got to me and my ocd ass reenacted it because the scene kept invading my head. Letting the intrusive thoughts win seemed like the best way to relieve them. And from what I remember, there hadn't been a warning on the video for such graphic depictions of cutting. The comments were disabled, so I couldn't point it out and ask for a proper warning. I was okay, I didn't go very deep, but it was pretty mentally scarring. You can show self harm in a more tasteful way if you're a good writer, less is more. It was pretty irresponsible of them...
The engine behind this idea was running but there was nobody behind the wheel.
I like your idea that everyone should work in a customer service role to avoid being Karens. I was a Saturday checkout assistant at a supermarket when I was a teen at school. It showed me how to treat similar people when I’m shopping
liberals trying to not be authoritarians and create dystopias challenge: impossible like lol imagine getting lined up and shot because the government found out you were day trading before you went to work as a wagie like god your an idiot
@@thecoolestofthe834s2incel moment
I remember being shown this in college. I still remember it for some of these reasons today.
"If they had a man in the house..."
When I tell you I laughed so loud, I scared my dog, lol.
"Realistic" dystopia idea: "Children of Men" but it's caused by social anxiety rather than infertility.
Ok the breaking down the door gag had me rolling.
Why do feel the anti woke brigade will hold this up as an example of what the world is like for them? Like, seriously, this is like one of those oppression movies they love to make in disguise.
don’t strawman
@@themolasser9110It's not a strawman if there are people who genuinenly feel this way
@@themolasser9110after seeing a shit ton of conservatives crying because “the gays are brainwashing us” I can definetly say this isn’t strawman lol
Some suggestions. They rage quit the game of life, They unalive themselves, They CRT+ALT+Delete, They Game over themselves, They cancelled their subscription to life, They got express shipping to heaven.
They changed team to skeleton in casket
They press the reset button of life
Or they committed a surgery on removing the consciousness of life
9:00 that sound gave me a heart attack 💀
I am pretty sure most people who are homophobic are so because they think that it is unnatural, sinful, or doesn't propagate their favorite race, not because they don't understand what it feels like to be bullied and excluded. Besides, I think joy, love and humanity are better tools for engendering empathy than any amount of trauma and suffering.
I said this elsewhere in this comment section, but the premise of this film sounds more like it should be a satire on persecution by presenting an alternate universe where the roles are reversed, kind of like a Twilight Zone episode (like "Eye of the Beholder" that depicts a dystopia where "ugly" people are not only persecuted, but the standards of beauty are completely backwards). With that last part about how trauma isn't a good way to elicit empathy, I'll quote another TH-camr out of the original context "Their pain and suffering is not a motivational poster!"