I beg to differ with Vivek. I think owning the bike begins at the point of falling in love with the picture, then connecting with the bike and then the rest of it is anyways there, that doesn't change. But the connect and the love for the steed is what begins a journey of endless miles. A nice precise and concise review covering most of the bike and rider feell. Thanks for the in depth review.
Hello from Maine USA, I enjoy your work. I just want to mention that peak numbers for power and torque are less important than the total area under the torque or power curve. In each gear you will accelerate through a range of rpm; here is where tall flat torque curves translate into usable power.
@@OpenAdventures I don't think that I would categorize myself as an expert. I am a high school physics teacher. In physics we often refer to the area under a graph to find the total quantity that we are looking for. Comparing two torque vs rpm curves for two different bikes of similar mass; the one with the greater area under the curve will feel more powerful than the one with a greater peak horsepower. That's why bikes like the Yamaha mt-07 and Suzuki 800 v-strom are faster than one would expect just looking at max torque and power specs. Peak power is only available for at one rpm point, of course you need torque to get to that point.
This is why I was looking for dyno graphs before I re configured my old harley wide glide. even a mild port job seemed to throw massive amount's of torque away down low. I bought the bike with a high compression 95" setup, like 12.5-1, but they had a woods tw-6h torque cam, and ported/sprung heads. I found some stock efi heads, and used flat top pistons to get it down to 9.5-1, then installed a fueling 525 cam to work with stock valve setup. way better experience all the way around. But yeah I'm drawn to low rpm characteristics, I ride my bikes on the street, and trails.... not into racing, or revving engines at all. I have a deposit/trading my vstrom 650 on the 800de.
I am guessing he needed more power. The nx comes short on the spec sheet because it is not a bike that gathers pace rapidly. It takes its own time and that can be a huge factor on the highway, esp while overtaking!
Bro good review 👍🏻 just wanted to know out of both which bike has better heat😮 manegement and suggestions for adv bike with best heat manegement as like to travel long-distance
Sorry. We cannot give you a conclusive answer on heat management on the highway since we were not paying too much attention to it on this ride. However please get the one you like more. Heat should not be a deal breaker on both bikes
Hello from Canada! I really enjoyed your discussion and you made me laugh a few times. I only tried the v-strom so far and I agree with your review of the bike. I loved the wider handle bars and the seat comfort also the low end torque. Personally it will not be my choice simply because of the weight. I sold my BMW R1250GS because I was tired of the excessive weight and I am looking for a lighter bike. I am looking for a Transalp to test ride but from everything you are saying I get the feeling that it will lack low end torque. I really enjoyed your discussion sitting around the table. I felt like I was sitting there with you! Subscribed!!
Thanks for the wonderful comment. Additionally, don't rule out the Transalp. It is NOT slow. It just needs to be revved a little. And then its super fun.
one thing that bothers me on the honda is those silver engine case bolts!!!! but only in pictures. the honda is a nice bike, but for the same price??? vstrom is what I put a deposit on! honestly am interested in the drag race results!!!!
@@OpenAdventures Thats what the mistake japanese and european manufacturers do , they dont take himalayan seriously ,the 411 and 450 even though with their issues have become cult, so now these 750/800 vtwin buyers will definately check a bit lower powered 650 if it provides more value,, i wish they could put more cc to match 850, put a liquid cooling and provide it at 5 lakh INR
@@OpenAdventures yes you are right when you said that during summer we need some air flowing through but then with a smaller screen the air blast which hits the helmet at higher speeds wears you out fast and your neck will be fight with the wind all the time. I ride a adv 390 which comes with a small stock windshield as well and i changed it to givi airflow and trust me now even after i ride for 12 hours i dont feel tired at all
@@OpenAdventures wont that hit your helmet causing turbulence? Anyways i agree with all the other points. Btw im also planning to buy either one of these but then after i got to know that trans alp doesnt have a quickshifter ive dropped it from my list
Get a good helmet. Some of us use ADV helmets which cause more turbulence than race/road helmets. Vivek uses a racing one which isn't so bad in the wind.
Why on earth can’t suzuki bring the RE ! 99% of folks who buy the v strom will ride it on the road! I can’t wrap my head around the fact that in 2024, we have bikes that cost 13 lakhs come with tubed wheels! Baffling! The v strom 800 re is such a great bike for india! It would have even been cheaper and would have come under the 10 lakh barrier given it’s pricing abroad . What a wasted opportunity:(
Our guess is that most people will buy the DE instead if there is not much of a price difference, given that so many SUVs sell in India despite less than 10% going off road.
@@OpenAdventures i think otherwise. Truth be told, fixing a flat on the highway is an absolute nightmare and a lot, i mean a lot of riders can’t do it! Plus the lighter weight leads to reduction of unsprung weight which leads to better handling. My point is, 13 lakhs for a bike with tubed wheels is just not done! The 650 xt had tubeless wheels and this feels like they went back to stone age on that front!
@@ashwinoashwinagreed. The RE makes perfect sense for India. Lower seat height, better brakes than the DE, and a 9.5ish ex showroom price with Suzuki reliability and service costs would mean death for Triumph in the touring segment atleast as nothing else comes with a reliable tubeless setup. The Transalp can be retrofitted with AT spokes, but thats just more money. The only standing issue with such big Suzukis is that they can be bought and serviced in like 8 showrooms in India if I am not wrong.
Vivek can't deny that. Supreeth may not agree. All said and done, you cannot see the bike when you're riding it! Should it be a factor when buying a motorcycle?
@@OpenAdventures For sure guys. Let me tell you also that i live in Greece-Europe so Transalp 750 has 220km/h top speed and V Strom 800de has 200 km/h top speed. Maybe both motorcycles in India has restrictions like USA in hp. th-cam.com/video/VK67ODSo10M/w-d-xo.html
I shouldn't have watched this video... Its a great, helpful video and great & detailed review of both the bikes, but I should not be spending this much on bikes. You guys will make me spend more than I should! I wanted to go for a Honda for the legendary reliability and low maintenance but I guess I'll have to consider Suzuki as well - it seems more VFM. I wish I could AFFORD the africa twin 🥲. Why oh why are the taxes so high!
this will be my next go to youtube channel for genuine bike reviews. no bullshit. just straight to the point.
Thanks a ton!
Yes very genuine review . Hope they will keep this genuinity and simplicity throughout
@@mamlukavlogs6353 Of course. What other way is there to do a review?
I beg to differ with Vivek. I think owning the bike begins at the point of falling in love with the picture, then connecting with the bike and then the rest of it is anyways there, that doesn't change. But the connect and the love for the steed is what begins a journey of endless miles.
A nice precise and concise review covering most of the bike and rider feell. Thanks for the in depth review.
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thats how u end up with shit bikes and then do copium online to defend your purchase.
@@SidShetty Thanks for having our back Sid
Hello from Maine USA, I enjoy your work. I just want to mention that peak numbers for power and torque are less important than the total area under the torque or power curve. In each gear you will accelerate through a range of rpm; here is where tall flat torque curves translate into usable power.
Thank you for that comment. How well do you know this subject? Perhaps we could organise a lesson on VC? Thanks and let us know.
@@OpenAdventures I don't think that I would categorize myself as an expert. I am a high school physics teacher. In physics we often refer to the area under a graph to find the total quantity that we are looking for. Comparing two torque vs rpm curves for two different bikes of similar mass; the one with the greater area under the curve will feel more powerful than the one with a greater peak horsepower. That's why bikes like the Yamaha mt-07 and Suzuki 800 v-strom are faster than one would expect just looking at max torque and power specs. Peak power is only available for at one rpm point, of course you need torque to get to that point.
Absolutely. Thanks much professor!
This is why I was looking for dyno graphs before I re configured my old harley wide glide. even a mild port job seemed to throw massive amount's of torque away down low. I bought the bike with a high compression 95" setup, like 12.5-1, but they had a woods tw-6h torque cam, and ported/sprung heads. I found some stock efi heads, and used flat top pistons to get it down to 9.5-1, then installed a fueling 525 cam to work with stock valve setup. way better experience all the way around.
But yeah I'm drawn to low rpm characteristics, I ride my bikes on the street, and trails.... not into racing, or revving engines at all. I have a deposit/trading my vstrom 650 on the 800de.
Top tier analogies happening here
Economy vs business class
Came to support you guys
Stayed for the biking content???? Who am I now?! 😂
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Was part of this ride, but never got anninkling that, a comparision video of such depth and knowledge would be coming forth. Loved it guys.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Really enjoyed the conversation, great review and great going. Keep it up :)
Thanks a ton!
Keep up the good work guys! I loved this video and the honest comments from you guys.
Thank you!
Straight forward review, to the point. Can Vivek shed some light on why NX500 didn't work for him as he stated in last video. I was considering it.
It's in our list. Will be done in the next 2 weeks.
I am guessing he needed more power. The nx comes short on the spec sheet because it is not a bike that gathers pace rapidly. It takes its own time and that can be a huge factor on the highway, esp while overtaking!
I mean seriously guys a no nonsense review for the bikes thanks a lot!!!
Thank you. cheers
Awesome content guyzz.
Subscribed 🎉
Welcome aboard!
Bro good review 👍🏻 just wanted to know out of both which bike has better heat😮 manegement and suggestions for adv bike with best heat manegement as like to travel long-distance
Sorry. We cannot give you a conclusive answer on heat management on the highway since we were not paying too much attention to it on this ride. However please get the one you like more. Heat should not be a deal breaker on both bikes
This guy is a pure Suzuki guy. 😄
Supreeth is just over enthusiastic. He never ate chocolates as a child! 😁
Good going folks.... Liked the video.
Thanks Rohit! When do we see you with a new bike?
Awesome review..so genuine ive made up my mind. Thank you guys❤
So glad! What did u choose?
@@OpenAdventures suzuki vstrom
Super and best wishes and safe riding!
You had me at glass of whisky😊
Hahahahahaahah. Cheers!
Thanks a lot for the comparison. I really ❤ it and it helped me to choose. How was the ground clearance on both, any scratches on humps or bad road ?
Which one did you choose? We didn't have any issues on both bikes on humps.
Nice analysis ......Thanks & keep it up....
Thank you for the courtesy of leaving a comment!
Hello from Canada! I really enjoyed your discussion and you made me laugh a few times. I only tried the v-strom so far and I agree with your review of the bike. I loved the wider handle bars and the seat comfort also the low end torque. Personally it will not be my choice simply because of the weight. I sold my BMW R1250GS because I was tired of the excessive weight and I am looking for a lighter bike. I am looking for a Transalp to test ride but from everything you are saying I get the feeling that it will lack low end torque.
I really enjoyed your discussion sitting around the table. I felt like I was sitting there with you! Subscribed!!
Thanks for the wonderful comment. Additionally, don't rule out the Transalp. It is NOT slow. It just needs to be revved a little. And then its super fun.
Great to watch brothers …
Thanks a ton bro
How do you compare weight management in both? Which one easy to maneuver and taking reverse using legs.?
The Transalp is easier to handle any day of the week.
Great content here guys ! Keep it up .
2024 BMW F850 GS owner from Bangalore.
Thanks a ton
Please do a review on tiger 900 GT
Yep. Thanks. In on our list
i can see a great youtube channel
Thank you for the courtesy of leaving us a comment and words of encouragement.
one thing that bothers me on the honda is those silver engine case bolts!!!! but only in pictures. the honda is a nice bike, but for the same price??? vstrom is what I put a deposit on!
honestly am interested in the drag race results!!!!
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Which was better in the curves?better on road a little sport riding?
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31 000 km Here in south of France......v strom 800 IS just thé best bike i have EVER had
What other bikes do/did you have?
@@OpenAdventures AT 62 i v had enough bikes to confirm that that 800 Suzuki IS a pure joy of every second
thanks
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nice place and ambience. would u guys mind sharing the name of this place ?
This is Vaishali at Yediyur
great vid🙌
Thanks
Suzuki engines are bulletproof 👍 ❤
himalayn 650 laughing in the spy shots- 😂😂
Himalayan 650? Really? With that engine we don't think it will hold a candle to either the Transalp or the VStrom
@@OpenAdventures Thats what the mistake japanese and european manufacturers do , they dont take himalayan seriously ,the 411 and 450 even though with their issues have become cult, so now these 750/800 vtwin buyers will definately check a bit lower powered 650 if it provides more value,, i wish they could put more cc to match 850, put a liquid cooling and provide it at 5 lakh INR
Blue shirt guy talking about the wind while I'm being swept away! *Vindstorm Alert Issued*
How long did it take you to come up with this? 😁
good discussion 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
@@OpenAdventuresyea sub’d too
Thank you!
Good chat - apart from the constant sniffing...
It's NOT coke. For sure. .
A bunch of Suzuki fanboys bringing in the nitty gritty better bits from Suzuki!
Vivek and Supreeth are actually not. They both have never owned a Suzuki in their lives.
I'm a lifelong Honda fan boy, but I bought the 800DE because it's a much better motorcycle.
@@jonwoodworker Thanks for having our back
I totally disagree with the windshield part
Which part exactly?
@@OpenAdventures yes you are right when you said that during summer we need some air flowing through but then with a smaller screen the air blast which hits the helmet at higher speeds wears you out fast and your neck will be fight with the wind all the time.
I ride a adv 390 which comes with a small stock windshield as well and i changed it to givi airflow and trust me now even after i ride for 12 hours i dont feel tired at all
No argument there on fatigue. We only said that Supreeth needs the taller windshield but Vivek likes wind in his hair.
@@OpenAdventures wont that hit your helmet causing turbulence?
Anyways i agree with all the other points.
Btw im also planning to buy either one of these but then after i got to know that trans alp doesnt have a quickshifter ive dropped it from my list
Get a good helmet. Some of us use ADV helmets which cause more turbulence than race/road helmets. Vivek uses a racing one which isn't so bad in the wind.
ground clearance boys.
What about it? This was a road ride review
so transalp it is.
😛Can be!!!
Nope.
Two bikes that has stuffed up Japanese translations to English
What what? What does this mean?
Why on earth can’t suzuki bring the RE ! 99% of folks who buy the v strom will ride it on the road! I can’t wrap my head around the fact that in 2024, we have bikes that cost 13 lakhs come with tubed wheels!
Baffling! The v strom 800 re is such a great bike for india! It would have even been cheaper and would have come under the 10 lakh barrier given it’s pricing abroad . What a wasted opportunity:(
I mean RE version not the DE version!
Our guess is that most people will buy the DE instead if there is not much of a price difference, given that so many SUVs sell in India despite less than 10% going off road.
@@OpenAdventures i think otherwise. Truth be told, fixing a flat on the highway is an absolute nightmare and a lot, i mean a lot of riders can’t do it! Plus the lighter weight leads to reduction of unsprung weight which leads to better handling.
My point is, 13 lakhs for a bike with tubed wheels is just not done!
The 650 xt had tubeless wheels and this feels like they went back to stone age on that front!
We should do a whole other podcast on tubeless vs tubed tires. But thanks for your view
@@ashwinoashwinagreed. The RE makes perfect sense for India. Lower seat height, better brakes than the DE, and a 9.5ish ex showroom price with Suzuki reliability and service costs would mean death for Triumph in the touring segment atleast as nothing else comes with a reliable tubeless setup. The Transalp can be retrofitted with AT spokes, but thats just more money. The only standing issue with such big Suzukis is that they can be bought and serviced in like 8 showrooms in India if I am not wrong.
To me the new Vstrom is ugly. Especially the colour combination
Vivek can't deny that. Supreeth may not agree. All said and done, you cannot see the bike when you're riding it! Should it be a factor when buying a motorcycle?
Transalp 750 has 86 hp on rear wheel and weight 208kg. V strom has 77hp on rear wheel and weight 230kg. Game Over guys.
No spec sheeetsssss.... Ride them. Then decide.
Ι own transalp 750 and my cousin has v strom 800 de😅@@OpenAdventures
@@nevangelos9277 So we don't need to do the drag race then :)
@@OpenAdventures For sure guys. Let me tell you also that i live in Greece-Europe so Transalp 750 has 220km/h top speed and V Strom 800de has 200 km/h top speed. Maybe both motorcycles in India has restrictions like USA in hp.
th-cam.com/video/VK67ODSo10M/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video link! Appreciate it. Cheers and ride safe! The Transalp in India is actually not restricted though
the Honda is ugly af
Harsh harsh. But not untrue 😹
I shouldn't have watched this video... Its a great, helpful video and great & detailed review of both the bikes, but I should not be spending this much on bikes. You guys will make me spend more than I should! I wanted to go for a Honda for the legendary reliability and low maintenance but I guess I'll have to consider Suzuki as well - it seems more VFM. I wish I could AFFORD the africa twin 🥲. Why oh why are the taxes so high!
😂😂😂😂😂 yolo