@@geraldshields9035 Yes but she evolved into a better person in the end. I'm NOT discounting the horrible things she did as leader of the murderous Terrains but if she can change then there's always hope. "Do better because you know better."
This is the Federation being reborn - one glimmer of hope. Say what you want about Disco but she fulfilled Starfleet's original mission set about in the days of Archer. And he had bring warring Vulcans, Andorians and Tellerites together while the Klingons and Romulans were nipping at their heels.
@@shaynajewell8225 because of all the violence in it yeah its cool but it is like all your 3 daily meals are deserts it's nice for a while but soon enough you want your meat and potatoes and violance isn't treks meat and potatoes, until episode 3 of season 4 I had started to give up on discovery
I love how those little tidbits of nostalgic hope is present in the future. Even though the federation has collapsed, those ideals still hold under the surface. This isnt the only example in the season, of course :p
I've seen this type of scenario before, in other Star Trek series. Usually it happens in an alien planet with human-like beings. It's kinda strange that this is happening on Earth with human beings, usually humans are the ones that settle disputes, albeit with cowboy diplomacy.
I wonder what happened to the Klingons. Do they still consider the humans as their allies? Do they look like the Klingons from TNG or the weirder "Klingons" in STD?
A little TV trivia here. Noticed this is the second actor I have seen on this show that worked on “Hell On Wheels”. First , Anson Mount who’s playing Captain Pike, played Cullen Bohannon in that western series and now Christopher Heyerdahl who played “The Swede”that I’m seeing as this Star Trek character. Who else Colm Meaney(Thomas Durant)oh sorry, he played O’Brian in TNG/DS9 LOL!
There’s one more you missed: Jake Weber, who played John Campbell, also played Zareh in the episode before this one. So that’s 4 actors if you count: Colm Meaney (Durant) Anson Mount (Cullen) Jake Weber (John Campbell) Christopher Heyerdahl (The Swede/Thor Gundersen) 😁
@@missdarkfaerie1377 thank you for that one! Just saw the episode he was in. At first when his character appeared I almost didn’t recognize the actor until he spoke, thought “ That guy seemed familiar to me and couldn’t figure what show he was in.” Then remembered his “Hell on Wheels” character. Thank you for the trivia.
You would think that after 900 years they wouldn't have such loose ends....err, red herrings. No mining or patrolling the asteroids and the outer world moons?
Holy shit it's Todd... you know Todd, the Wraith that Atlantis would work with from time to time on Stargate Atlantis... and you people pretend to be Sci-Fi fans.
You've got a chip on your shoulder. Who said they didn't recognize him? And he didn't only play Todd on Atlantis. He also played Halling, one of the Athosians.
I don't care how devastating the burn was if I was in charge of United Earth I'd make our entire solar system our domain and anyone inside of it would be taking care of
This couldve been prevented....by not firing on an unidentified ship on sight. FFS, you have a giant forcefield surrounding the planet. Give them 5 seconds to identify themselves, heck, just SCAN them, or do you really think a small ship could breach that forcefield in 5 seconds?
It's a TV show and the old trek done it multiple times as well also this is decades of conflict not knowing these raiders were humans and the raiders thinking that Earth did know who they were and still firing upon them you've also got to remember that these are humans 1160 years our senior that give certain captains the right to make peace without having to put a peace accord through a senate and congress then to the president this is a captain realising "Oh shit we killed our own people because we didn't even think before pulling the trigger" and another who has no other choice but to finally get the help his people need cause they have no choice. Also, once again it's a TV show all TV shows sort something out that would take time to sort out. Harder eye roll.
She would of closed the worm hole no questions. She wouldn't care what Bajor said or Sisko. ALTHOUGH... Georgiou would at the very least be a VERY frail old woman during that war if not dead similar to Bones in TNG.
@@walterdayrit675 - The writers don't seem to have a grasp of astronomy. Real life 20th century space probes powered by radio-isotope thermal generators that do not produce a lot of electricity can still get signals back to Earth. Unless an unspoken plot point is that Earth is also restricting incoming communications as well as vessels.
@@daniels7907 This is exactly what is going on. Earth became very xenophobic, hence their firing upon the Titan vessel. They would have destroyed a probe just as well.
@MrHoppers002 in DS9 there were a lot of people living on the Moon. It still seems odd to me that Earth would simply leave the other colonies in the system to fend for themselves even if they split from Earth. It woul make sense to secure the entire system.
@MrHoppers002 exactly I think perhaps section 31 moved it away and that I hope the Trill inside of they, is Dax since she had a host during that time and is fully aware of how things worked then.
The Moon would be difficult to maintain because it has no breathable atmosphere. Even with the recent discovery there is water there keeping a base operational would be a strain on Earth-bound forces. If that base were overtaken by enemy forces then it becomes a reflex point for a bigger force to launch their attacks.
This makes no sense? Easy to communicate with Earth from Titan. Easy to get from Titan to Earth on impulse. Even if warp drive is almost impossible, Earth would still be all over the solar system mining, collecting resources, etc. No sense.
@@meisterigi007 So, that means they wouldn't have registered an explosion? Scaned them? Oh, starships can scan lightyears away, but not 5 planets away 😂 Stop trying to justify shitty writing 😉
So...let me get this straight....They can build ships that can travel across the solar system........but they can't build a basic radio array to call Earth? I mean sure, it wouldn't be instant communication...There's an about 1.5 hour delay....But it's really not that fucking hard.
I honestly think and hope discovery is the tv show that basically shows the fall of the federation and the eventual rise of the federation again and the 31st century is in a sense similar to the 21st century except on a more grand scale
You mean Earth didn't even bother to communicate with titan for nearly a hundred years? Not even send a probe or radio transmission within Earth's local solar system to check? WTF?!
I don't get how earth would fire on a ship asking for help with how there's countless times that same senario happened. And the negotiation terms are so reasonable how was there a conflict?
That part about the research station having no means of long range communication was bullsh％t. They have ships that can go near earth an relay information short range. Heck, they could have used 21st century sublight communication tech like we use to communicate with our current space probes. It takes hours for a signal to go there but it works!
Georgiou walks out as soon as its clear there's going to be a happy ending. Don't need to deal with that. Probably went to sexually harass Stamets and Culber to get all that...nice out of her system.
the real question is why didnt discovery receive any distress call or signal on titan? when they jump to the sol system, it clearly somewhere near saturn (titan is saturn moon)
@@jameswg13 it is the saturn moon. But we have no idea just how short range their comms are. It might be possible they simply dont have the equipment to repair any kind of transmission equipment, and the only functional ones they have are on their ships, which werent present at the time. The situation on Titan sounded truly desperate after all.
@@satellite_is4994 problem with that is all ships have communication built into them which means for some fuck all reason that ship they sent never opened a channel and most likely bull rushed to earth making itself look threatening which also makes no fuckin sense literally communication shouldn't have ever been a problem it is lazy writing
@@TalrenHawke in episode one I remember the liason said communication is like restricted to one section or something?? Because after the born somehow it affect communications. Another peosiblity is because the earth defence force is paranoid?? Why?? Because the raiders ship might not be a register earth vessel or something so.... They assume they were dangerous to preserve earth they shot first. Or maybe han solo is the admiral in earth defence force. So han shot first. (JK)
Call me an old-school Terran, but, if it's in my power to help anyone else pick themselves up when they've fallen down, I'll do so without hesitation, terms be damned. This relationship between Earth and her space-based children seems strange to me.
As she said, the ship was strained beyond its means as it was. And this is the 32nd century. I'm sure they just found the helmet lying around somewhere or cobbled it together from parts. Doesnt seem that difficult even for people who are struggling, if there is a necessity.
Sings Saru Saru Doo where are you. This scene was screamingly funny. Such. Tip of the hat to Scooby Doo. I was kind of hoping Saru would say “RuhRoh!” No honestly though. I’m loving the show so far. Just this moment slayed me.
@@DLordSadow - Wen certainly didn't look like he had been eating well or getting good medical care. My guess is that they did indeed lose replicator capacity in the accident and what they had left was barely enough.
It's a social commentary on the growing isolationism of countries like the U.S. and the U.K. Also, of U.S. handling of Puerto Rico. Earth, with all it's paranoid defenses, is the U.S. with a border wall taken to the extreme. United Earth simply shot down an incoming Human-crewed ship without even bothering to determine why it was coming simply because it wasn't from Earth.
I’m an expanse fan, I was expecting Wen to speak Belter patois. They gave another nod to the expanse with this one. It’s not stealing it’s borrowing ;)
Okay, I know that ST writers tend to have flunked science, but Titan is a moon of Saturn! Are we seriously supposed to believe that, in the *32nd century* they can't just *beam* back and forth from there? Spock!Prime from the 24th century knew how to reconfigure a short-range transporter on a remote outpost to beam Kelvin!Kirk to the Enterprise, which was traveling at *warp* light years away!
Seeing as how Ndoye reacted with surprise when she heard of Titans current state and the fact that Titan had broken away with Earth to be self-sufficient. Both parts had no dealings with each other and Wen's raiders assumed that Earth Defense Force were letting them live in squalor because they were not sharing their resources with them.
@@Stranglars1 - Which still makes little sense. United Earth *knew* that there were raiders operating in the solar system. Simple logic would have suggested they ought to check in with nearby Titan to determine if they knew anything about the raiders.
@@daniels7907 Titan declared themselves independent from Earth and seeing as how EDF choose to be isolationist, anything beyond Earths domain was of no consequence to them.
Technology advanced but isolationist* Homeworld of spacefarers unwaveringly defends their space but somehow has no knowledge or awareness of ~anything~ outside of near earth orbit...who writes this shit? Did the research colony forget radio as well? *but has traders/miners/hauliers to get the dilithium they complain is being nicked?
STD S3: ah what tot do... ow right lets rape Andromeda because hey why have original ideas. Only good thing to ever come out of STD was Pike and Number 1
I like how discovery flies past titan on the way into the system, you would think earth would know what is going on in their own backyards. While it has some semblance of startrek, the actual writing is pitiful.
Such a stupid show, again I haven't bothered watching this season but seeing this clip I can already see how terrible it is. A Colony that has no means of any communication? Earth didn't bother to check on them for a simple status report even though they were supposedly, "self sufficient?" No red flags in lack of communication because clearly they don't have relatives on Earth! no no no. No Radio Signals that they can broadcast? No probes or Drones they can send? They didn't recognize the vessel that they destroyed? was it so Alien in design that they didn't recognize their own class or similar type of Ship? SUCH TRASH WRITING.
That's why we love Georgiou. She'll get right past the BS, and show whose boss.
You cant spell BOSS without BS. hahaha. ;)
Mirror Georgiou.
@@geraldshields9035 Yes but she evolved into a better person in the end. I'm NOT discounting the horrible things she did as leader of the murderous Terrains but if she can change then there's always hope. "Do better because you know better."
@@KnowTrentTimoywell she did pass the guardian of forever’s test so
This is the Federation being reborn - one glimmer of hope. Say what you want about Disco but she fulfilled Starfleet's original mission set about in the days of Archer. And he had bring warring Vulcans, Andorians and Tellerites together while the Klingons and Romulans were nipping at their heels.
I personally think Discovery is awesome. I don't understand the hate it gets from self-proclaimed ST fans.
@@shaynajewell8225 because of all the violence in it yeah its cool but it is like all your 3 daily meals are deserts it's nice for a while but soon enough you want your meat and potatoes and violance isn't treks meat and potatoes, until episode 3 of season 4 I had started to give up on discovery
Christopher Heyerdahl is one of the greatest scifi bit part actors out there.
Yeah I forget he played for other shows - Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis & Smallville.
I remember him from "Hell on Wheels"!!
Let's not forget Sanctuary as both Magnus' assistant and her ex, John, the teleporting guy.
He also played Alastair in Supernatural and absolutely nailed it. Great actor. :)
With the modulated voice under the helmet, he still sounds like Tod.
reminds me of Archer locking diplomats in their rooms until they're willing to talk to each other...
Ah Georgiou. Knows how to cut through the bs. She's my hero.
lets not forget where she comes from and who really is
As she's sizing up everyone in the room to figure out who she would need to kill in order to make herself Emperor of 32nd Century Earth....
I love how those little tidbits of nostalgic hope is present in the future. Even though the federation has collapsed, those ideals still hold under the surface.
This isnt the only example in the season, of course :p
The most Federation thing I've seen in a while out of newer trek.
Most of it was Star Trash actually. People saw it out of habit and some strange affinity to the Trek of yore.
Gotta love that Triumphant Federation Horn playing when something is resolved.
It's almost Pavlov's Dog in it's training the viewer. Helps with certain storytelling styles.
Emperor of the mirror Universe: * whack * * brings man to ground *
"diplomacy is so slow"
Well, she is right. It is slow.
Good to see Todd from SGA
always weird to see the actors behind such iconic characters without the prosthetics, but its the voice that usually makes you do a double take
He was also john druitt and bigfoot in sanctuary
I had the same reaction. After I saw his face I rewatched it to hear Todd.
I had to look it up, thanks for the mindfuckery
SHEEPPPARD....
Alastair from Supernatural. Squeezing Dean's neck. "I'll see you back in class. Monday morning, Bright and early."
That’s captain Saru, not commander Stamets.
Maybe confused because Stamets' scenes with Adira overlapped these scenes?
Don't kink shame Stamets for his Kelpien cosplay.
@@kd5nrh oof
I've seen this type of scenario before, in other Star Trek series. Usually it happens in an alien planet with human-like beings. It's kinda strange that this is happening on Earth with human beings, usually humans are the ones that settle disputes, albeit with cowboy diplomacy.
Burnham kidnapper Wen off his own ship, I'd say there was at least a little Cowboy diplomacy here.
"Diplomacy are so slow" somehow i really like this sentence.
THIS is the Star Trek that I remember.
What?
Pity every episode of every season so far hasn't been the same. Then it would be True Trek.
1st step in reigniting the flame that is the Federation.
Step 2: Contact the founding members
USS Reignite seems like a good ship name in this era .
@@Spookssga That includes Vulcan, Andoria and Tellar Prime.
I wonder what happened to the Klingons. Do they still consider the humans as their allies? Do they look like the Klingons from TNG or the weirder "Klingons" in STD?
Trash show, shouldn't watch.
A little TV trivia here. Noticed this is the second actor I have seen on this show that worked on “Hell On Wheels”. First , Anson Mount who’s playing Captain Pike, played Cullen Bohannon in that western series and now Christopher Heyerdahl who played “The Swede”that I’m seeing as this Star Trek character. Who else Colm Meaney(Thomas Durant)oh sorry, he played O’Brian in TNG/DS9 LOL!
There’s one more you missed: Jake Weber, who played John Campbell, also played Zareh in the episode before this one. So that’s 4 actors if you count:
Colm Meaney (Durant)
Anson Mount (Cullen)
Jake Weber (John Campbell)
Christopher Heyerdahl (The Swede/Thor Gundersen) 😁
@@missdarkfaerie1377 thank you for that one! Just saw the episode he was in. At first when his character appeared I almost didn’t recognize the actor until he spoke, thought “ That guy seemed familiar to me and couldn’t figure what show he was in.” Then remembered his “Hell on Wheels” character. Thank you for the trivia.
So earth went from being the capital of the federation to not even being in control of it's own solar system.
You would think that after 900 years they wouldn't have such loose ends....err, red herrings.
No mining or patrolling the asteroids and the outer world moons?
@@tedb.5707 +I guess not.
Didn't watch the episode, I gather.
Didn't even bother to check out any remaining outposts in its own solar system despite have the tech to do so. WTF?!
Holy shit it's Todd... you know Todd, the Wraith that Atlantis would work with from time to time on Stargate Atlantis... and you people pretend to be Sci-Fi fans.
You've got a chip on your shoulder. Who said they didn't recognize him?
And he didn't only play Todd on Atlantis. He also played Halling, one of the Athosians.
*Wraith not "Warth"
@@OptimusWombat Dude it was a joke... a joke.
@@20somthingdrifter11 OK
You mean sam from Vanhelsing
Self Preservation. Sounds so much more professional than fear.
Just like the Inyalowda leaving the outer planets on their own.
0:34 Georgiou: Ok, now your pissing me off......
this scene reminded me of that one episode in Doctor Who where the 12th doctor gives his speech about war.
"This is not a game, Kate! This is a scale version of war!"
Good to see todd again...
Jonnnnnhhh Sheeeeeeepppppparrrrddd
I don't care how devastating the burn was if I was in charge of United Earth I'd make our entire solar system our domain and anyone inside of it would be taking care of
The plight of the vulnerable struggling to survive is Heartbreaking.
Hi Todd 0:45
A Sanctuary ref ? Smart !
@@tomf3150 Stargate
Hello SHEP-ard.
@@BlueZeroZeroOne I read that as Grunt Lol
Teleporters that reassemble matter on a quantum scale can’t detect that it’s a skinny dude in a Party City mask
This couldve been prevented....by not firing on an unidentified ship on sight. FFS, you have a giant forcefield surrounding the planet. Give them 5 seconds to identify themselves, heck, just SCAN them, or do you really think a small ship could breach that forcefield in 5 seconds?
United Earth probably has a President that is very concerned about "refugee caravans".
@@daniels7907 In that case they should make a shield over the southern hemisphere. And the moon is gonna pay for it!
@@builder396 - LMAO!
asks Misaka unable to understand such drastic measures.
@@JoniWan77 "Well played, sir." compliments MISAKA surprised, as she did not expect such a comment under a Star Trek video.
First aggression then talk , first talk no aggression !
her face when she saw a man standing there, not a alien
So awesome how you can create a peace accord in like a hot five minutes after decades and decades of conflict. *Hard eye roll*
It's a TV show and the old trek done it multiple times as well
also this is decades of conflict not knowing these raiders were humans and the raiders thinking that Earth did know who they were and still firing upon them you've also got to remember that these are humans 1160 years our senior that give certain captains the right to make peace without having to put a peace accord through a senate and congress then to the president this is a captain realising "Oh shit we killed our own people because we didn't even think before pulling the trigger" and another who has no other choice but to finally get the help his people need cause they have no choice. Also, once again it's a TV show all TV shows sort something out that would take time to sort out. Harder eye roll.
Kirk's done it on multiple occasions, Eminiar and Vendikar were at war for centuries before Kirk ended it in a day.
Georgiou would’ve ended the Dominion War quickly
She would of closed the worm hole no questions. She wouldn't care what Bajor said or Sisko.
ALTHOUGH... Georgiou would at the very least be a VERY frail old woman during that war if not dead similar to Bones in TNG.
They did a DIPLOMACY! :D
georgiou just reminding folks they kneel peace talks can begin
I want that helmet!
With that helmet, a TV broadcaster and a hologram projector. ya can make it look like we're about to be invaded by hostile aliens 🤣
@@Spookssga come on 2020 you can still make this happen!!! 💀
He wanted to be Darth Vader
Ummm, no Stamets in this clip. Burnham, yes, Saru, yes, Georgiou, yes, the Earth Defense woman, yes, and Wen yes, but Stamets, No.
You don’t need long range communication to ask for help .
He said they sent a ship to ask for help, which was fired upon and destroyed?
@@ger5565 wasn't listening carefully.
They were just in the solar system! Could they have just built a probe and deliver a message from even just a little beyond moon orbit?
@@walterdayrit675 - The writers don't seem to have a grasp of astronomy. Real life 20th century space probes powered by radio-isotope thermal generators that do not produce a lot of electricity can still get signals back to Earth. Unless an unspoken plot point is that Earth is also restricting incoming communications as well as vessels.
@@daniels7907 This is exactly what is going on. Earth became very xenophobic, hence their firing upon the Titan vessel. They would have destroyed a probe just as well.
Diplomacy takes a certain amount of skills to do.
Georgiou is used to taking a more direct approach...
and a little punch to the face.
@@lumberluc - Which is actually less violent than she usually is!
Sometimes you need to slam your hands on the table to get a strong point across...or in this case a kick to the shins...
Who knew that Starfleet would eventually have to be a third party in negotiations with Earth.
What about the colony on the Moon? And is Mars still burning?
@MrHoppers002 in DS9 there were a lot of people living on the Moon. It still seems odd to me that Earth would simply leave the other colonies in the system to fend for themselves even if they split from Earth. It woul make sense to secure the entire system.
@MrHoppers002 exactly I think perhaps section 31 moved it away and that I hope the Trill inside of they, is Dax since she had a host during that time and is fully aware of how things worked then.
The Moon would be difficult to maintain because it has no breathable atmosphere. Even with the recent discovery there is water there keeping a base operational would be a strain on Earth-bound forces. If that base were overtaken by enemy forces then it becomes a reflex point for a bigger force to launch their attacks.
@@chansophonlong I'm kind of hoping Dax will make an appearance in the future.
@MrHoppers002 Time travel was banned after the Temporal cold war. Have you not seen episode one?
actual Star Trek, holy shit
To *I Saw All* - It's not Stamets, it's Captain Ndoye that negotiated with Wen.
I took a small glimpse and I glad I did no pay for this!
This makes no sense? Easy to communicate with Earth from Titan. Easy to get from Titan to Earth on impulse. Even if warp drive is almost impossible, Earth would still be all over the solar system mining, collecting resources, etc. No sense.
The man just said they had no long range communication...
And she also said how Titan colonizers split off from Earth and self sustain... we're you even listening???
@@meisterigi007 So, that means they wouldn't have registered an explosion? Scaned them?
Oh, starships can scan lightyears away, but not 5 planets away 😂 Stop trying to justify shitty writing 😉
@@alcoholandfun243 titan could be a planet not the moon
Swedes in SPACE.....!
That's preposterous!😤.... We would ask nicely, before firing! 😉
So...let me get this straight....They can build ships that can travel across the solar system........but they can't build a basic radio array to call Earth? I mean sure, it wouldn't be instant communication...There's an about 1.5 hour delay....But it's really not that fucking hard.
I honestly think and hope discovery is the tv show that basically shows the fall of the federation and the eventual rise of the federation again and the 31st century is in a sense similar to the 21st century except on a more grand scale
You mean Earth didn't even bother to communicate with titan for nearly a hundred years? Not even send a probe or radio transmission within Earth's local solar system to check? WTF?!
I don't get how earth would fire on a ship asking for help with how there's countless times that same senario happened. And the negotiation terms are so reasonable how was there a conflict?
For someone who names themselves, "I Saw All" you sure don't see much, do you? Or do you not bother to watch these before throwing them. up?
serious favor to everyone: remove that loud outro. At the very least remove the sound, or give it a delay before it blasts.
Wait, are they in an alternate universe? I haven't watched the show.
That part about the research station having no means of long range communication was bullsh％t. They have ships that can go near earth an relay information short range. Heck, they could have used 21st century sublight communication tech like we use to communicate with our current space probes. It takes hours for a signal to go there but it works!
Georgiou walks out as soon as its clear there's going to be a happy ending. Don't need to deal with that.
Probably went to sexually harass Stamets and Culber to get all that...nice out of her system.
the real question is why didnt discovery receive any distress call or signal on titan? when they jump to the sol system, it clearly somewhere near saturn (titan is saturn moon)
Might not mean the Saturn moon
@@jameswg13 it is the saturn moon. But we have no idea just how short range their comms are. It might be possible they simply dont have the equipment to repair any kind of transmission equipment, and the only functional ones they have are on their ships, which werent present at the time. The situation on Titan sounded truly desperate after all.
So they dont have radio on titan which is in the solar system but they have spaceships. This is just super lazy writing.
They said they sent a ship that was shot at. Not the biggest plot hole I've seen.
Yeah, they can send a radio SOS to earth asking for assistance ?
long range coms is down ? I am pretty sure they said something along that line in first episode of season 3
@@satellite_is4994 problem with that is all ships have communication built into them which means for some fuck all reason that ship they sent never opened a channel and most likely bull rushed to earth making itself look threatening which also makes no fuckin sense literally communication shouldn't have ever been a problem it is lazy writing
@@TalrenHawke in episode one I remember the liason said communication is like restricted to one section or something?? Because after the born somehow it affect communications. Another peosiblity is because the earth defence force is paranoid?? Why?? Because the raiders ship might not be a register earth vessel or something so.... They assume they were dangerous to preserve earth they shot first.
Or maybe han solo is the admiral in earth defence force. So han shot first. (JK)
Call me an old-school Terran, but, if it's in my power to help anyone else pick themselves up when they've fallen down, I'll do so without hesitation, terms be damned. This relationship between Earth and her space-based children seems strange to me.
So all that time they couldn't communicate with each other?
That’s captain Saru not commander Stamets.
wait why does Georgiou have a different type of Starfleet/Federation insignia? did i miss something?
She disguised as admiral here.
Thanks, I rewatched that a while ago and figured it out. I had forgotten.
So where is stamets in all of this?
...but Commander Stamets isn't in this scene?
Talk talk talk shoot first talk after earth had the technological military advantage
👏
I'm still wondering how humans who were in serious need, lacking basics, had powerful ships and futuristic helmets.
Because food is consumable and weaponry is not...
As she said, the ship was strained beyond its means as it was. And this is the 32nd century. I'm sure they just found the helmet lying around somewhere or cobbled it together from parts. Doesnt seem that difficult even for people who are struggling, if there is a necessity.
I enjoyed this episode but honestly, they should have realized Wen was human. No one has ever contacted earth without a helmet on?
Sings Saru Saru Doo where are you.
This scene was screamingly funny. Such. Tip of the hat to Scooby Doo.
I was kind of hoping Saru would say “RuhRoh!”
No honestly though. I’m loving the show so far. Just this moment slayed me.
Wow startrek has gone were noone watches anymore 4real. Storys are blanned.
Ndoye, not Stamets
I am sam...
Really...and it took us 700 yrs to get to Titan?......
TITAN in the earth solar system. The humans have deevolved and the halves and have nots. Aka Titan the have nots and earth the haves..
Speaking of which. Why did the people of Titan need to farm for food? Didn’t they have food replicators? Or maybe power was an issue. 🤷🏻♂️
@@DLordSadow - Wen certainly didn't look like he had been eating well or getting good medical care. My guess is that they did indeed lose replicator capacity in the accident and what they had left was barely enough.
It's a social commentary on the growing isolationism of countries like the U.S. and the U.K. Also, of U.S. handling of Puerto Rico. Earth, with all it's paranoid defenses, is the U.S. with a border wall taken to the extreme. United Earth simply shot down an incoming Human-crewed ship without even bothering to determine why it was coming simply because it wasn't from Earth.
I’m an expanse fan, I was expecting Wen to speak Belter patois. They gave another nod to the expanse with this one. It’s not stealing it’s borrowing ;)
Okay, I know that ST writers tend to have flunked science, but Titan is a moon of Saturn! Are we seriously supposed to believe that, in the *32nd century* they can't just *beam* back and forth from there? Spock!Prime from the 24th century knew how to reconfigure a short-range transporter on a remote outpost to beam Kelvin!Kirk to the Enterprise, which was traveling at *warp* light years away!
Considering that this show is being written by people who are not star trek fans, this is kind of expected.
@@walterdayrit675 - True. Basically what happened with J.J. creating this continuity problem in the first place.
Seeing as how Ndoye reacted with surprise when she heard of Titans current state and the fact that Titan had broken away with Earth to be self-sufficient. Both parts had no dealings with each other and Wen's raiders assumed that Earth Defense Force were letting them live in squalor because they were not sharing their resources with them.
@@Stranglars1 - Which still makes little sense. United Earth *knew* that there were raiders operating in the solar system. Simple logic would have suggested they ought to check in with nearby Titan to determine if they knew anything about the raiders.
@@daniels7907 Titan declared themselves independent from Earth and seeing as how EDF choose to be isolationist, anything beyond Earths domain was of no consequence to them.
This was a dumb Episode that Titan can't send a signal to Earth they in the Solar system ev even Radio can reach Earth with a Message.
Equality does not represent quality!
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Technology advanced but isolationist* Homeworld of spacefarers unwaveringly defends their space but somehow has no knowledge or awareness of ~anything~ outside of near earth orbit...who writes this shit?
Did the research colony forget radio as well?
*but has traders/miners/hauliers to get the dilithium they complain is being nicked?
STD S3: ah what tot do... ow right lets rape Andromeda because hey why have original ideas.
Only good thing to ever come out of STD was Pike and Number 1
No long range communications? Give me a break. Titan is so close!!! Short range is enough! Terrible plot.
I like how discovery flies past titan on the way into the system, you would think earth would know what is going on in their own backyards.
While it has some semblance of startrek, the actual writing is pitiful.
the first white male yaaaaaaa
Let's all just sing Kumbaya ... Who writes this rubbish?
This is not Star Trek.
But it's getting there.
It's honestly getting there. Season 3 is the closest the series has gotten to the originals.
@@tomf3150 nope
@@joshuadelafuent3 nope
Yes oh mighty gatekeeper
Such a stupid show, again I haven't bothered watching this season but seeing this clip I can already see how terrible it is. A Colony that has no means of any communication? Earth didn't bother to check on them for a simple status report even though they were supposedly, "self sufficient?" No red flags in lack of communication because clearly they don't have relatives on Earth! no no no. No Radio Signals that they can broadcast? No probes or Drones they can send? They didn't recognize the vessel that they destroyed? was it so Alien in design that they didn't recognize their own class or similar type of Ship? SUCH TRASH WRITING.