I just caught on to Georgiou saying "The Honor Guard can be trusted" was a subtle nod to her opinion of Owo. The cut to her face should have been more obvious to me.
Imperial Majesty, Mother of the Fatherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius. Long Live the Emperor!
@@LordTalax China had a woman (Wu Zetian) who ruled as "emperor" not "empress". Emperors ruled and empresses made babies. Hence why Georgiou rules as emperor.
If her time travel is legit, your seeing the Prime2 Continuity unfolding. A new timeline... where the writers of STD and any future Section31 show don't have to conform to the lore set out in STD.
He was probably lying to get a reaction from phillipa an empire that has conquered all known space not to mention they have weapons that can destroy a sun or destroy a planets surface not to mention they probably have cloaking technology phillipa had a Tantalus field in her State room on discovery captain killy probably helped her install it not to mention she is one of the emperor supporters
Michael or the Empire? A true Terran like Georgiou would surely choose both. She was trying to save the empire from Kovach's revelation also trying to use her new found power to win back Michael.
I believe she wants to save both. She wants the Empire to change, to evolve into something greater than it currently is. She knows darkness and fear alone are not enough. Love creates true unity, and that unity creates strength. Michael is an excellent example of the Empire. She's grown up being programmed by fear and ego - believing that strength, dominance, and cunning are the only ways to survive. Yet she also has the capacity for love, as is shown by her connection to Lorca. Both she and the Empire are redeemable, and Georgiou sees that. She sees both as her children, needing her guidance to outgrow what they have made themselves into. As for the fall of the Empire - I recall through the Guardian's explanations, it seems the universe Georgiou went to was not precisely her original universe - but rather one nearly identical in which the timeline had proceeded precisely the same way until she made different choices. Through that, she created a new reality while the previous one was still separately preserved as the original Mirror Universe (the one where the Empire fell due to the Alliance). I'm not sure if that's how it's going to play out in future episodes. Writers of many series tend to rework past established concepts in later episodes/seasons that return to them, or flesh them out in a clearer way.
@@heartoffire5902 Mirror Michael is psychotic and not redeemable. She was probably already like that when she was plucked out of the orphanage by the Emperor. It likely stems from the Klingon attack on her parent’s ship. While the other Michael went catatonic and lost her ability to speak for a long time, Mirror Michael became filled with rage and hate.
Mirror Michael is psychotic. Probably been that way ever since the Klingon attack on her parent’s ship. It’s a fantasy that such a person can be changed into the other Michael.
Tilly's hairdo is reminiscent of that worn by a member of the 70s-80s rock band _The B-52s,_ not an Imperial StarFleet captain. The frizzy ringlets on the _Prime Universe's_ Tilly are more realistic, if not exactly conforming to dress code regulations.
I know what you mean, but she is highly loyal to her Emperor in particular. She doesn't show the same respect or kindness to non-Terrans. I believe her record states her as being particularly ruthless and vicious in dealing with aliens. Much like how Michael acts in an evil manner quite a bit on-screen, but she genuinely accepts and appreciates what she feels is love from Lorca. Even darkness has its soft spots.
Slaves I don't remembered that directly from star trek enterprise. I remembered Vulcan , tellerite, orion, denoubian on starship enterprise with Archer. Xenophobic yes but slaves no.
Heck even xenophobic Archer promoted T'Pol to first officer. Although only for the time being until he EXTERMINATED them if he became emperor. But thank goodness Hoshi overthrew him. Even she knew he was too extreme.
Yes workers without pay can be fickle if she took care of the worlds she conquered by providing all need in return for there service I don't think needless manpower and equipment would have been needlessly wasted crushing uprisings and rebellion in the episode of startrek enterprise judgement Archer ran into fleeing refugees then duras came to Hunt them down it stuck with me if the terran empire provided the basic needs for all conquered worlds they may not need to deal with rebellion on a long period of time to bad she didn't stay in her original universe to realise that dream terran empire could have lasted for thousand years or more
Yeah this show sucked but the most interesting part was the mirror universe arc. I wouldn't mind this being a show itself. Mainly because Discovery already didn't feel like Star Trek but just another sci fi
spoilers given how they treat each other, and other races like kelpians, and since im antifascist, the terrans earned their defeat at the hand of cardasian klingon alliance
@@atcguy01 Oh, they were every bit as bad as the Terran Empire. It looks like in the late 24th century, the Terran Resistance gave them their well earned karma.
It is too late. It was already too late when she was plucked out of the orphanage by the Emperor. Mirror Michael is psychotic. She is wired differently than the other Michael and can’t be reformed or redeemed. The Emperor knew instantly that Michael wasn’t her daughter because she was too calm, too disciplined and not demented.
I just caught on to Georgiou saying "The Honor Guard can be trusted" was a subtle nod to her opinion of Owo. The cut to her face should have been more obvious to me.
I just LOVE Terran Tilly
Imperial Majesty, Mother of the Fatherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius. Long Live the Emperor!
Should be empress but libs think they can rewrite English.
@@LordTalax the term emperor is higher than an empress. Georgiou wants to show all that there is no one above her.
@@LordTalax
No wonder he loves stupid....
TERRA FIRMA!
@@LordTalax China had a woman (Wu Zetian) who ruled as "emperor" not "empress". Emperors ruled and empresses made babies. Hence why Georgiou rules as emperor.
I want to see Tilly sing “Rock Lobster”! Also I would love a series only in the Terran Empire.
Is this universe I will corner the eye makeup industry! I will be rich beyond my dreams!
Come to Quark’s, Quark’s is fun. Come right now; don’t walk, run!
Go for it!
Being Machiavellian is a personality trait virtue. It can be useful.
MMMMM Captain Killy! You sooo baaad!❤❤
Tye BEST scenes of all Discovery series are those with Empress Georgiou
Interesting. Does Georgiou want to save Michael, the Empire, or both. Both are important to her. Kovach said the Empire fell.
If her time travel is legit, your seeing the Prime2 Continuity unfolding. A new timeline... where the writers of STD and any future Section31 show don't have to conform to the lore set out in STD.
He was probably lying to get a reaction from phillipa an empire that has conquered all known space not to mention they have weapons that can destroy a sun or destroy a planets surface not to mention they probably have cloaking technology phillipa had a Tantalus field in her State room on discovery captain killy probably helped her install it not to mention she is one of the emperor supporters
Michael or the Empire? A true Terran like Georgiou would surely choose both. She was trying to save the empire from Kovach's revelation also trying to use her new found power to win back Michael.
I believe she wants to save both. She wants the Empire to change, to evolve into something greater than it currently is. She knows darkness and fear alone are not enough. Love creates true unity, and that unity creates strength. Michael is an excellent example of the Empire. She's grown up being programmed by fear and ego - believing that strength, dominance, and cunning are the only ways to survive. Yet she also has the capacity for love, as is shown by her connection to Lorca. Both she and the Empire are redeemable, and Georgiou sees that. She sees both as her children, needing her guidance to outgrow what they have made themselves into.
As for the fall of the Empire - I recall through the Guardian's explanations, it seems the universe Georgiou went to was not precisely her original universe - but rather one nearly identical in which the timeline had proceeded precisely the same way until she made different choices. Through that, she created a new reality while the previous one was still separately preserved as the original Mirror Universe (the one where the Empire fell due to the Alliance). I'm not sure if that's how it's going to play out in future episodes. Writers of many series tend to rework past established concepts in later episodes/seasons that return to them, or flesh them out in a clearer way.
@@heartoffire5902 Mirror Michael is psychotic and not redeemable. She was probably already like that when she was plucked out of the orphanage by the Emperor. It likely stems from the Klingon attack on her parent’s ship. While the other Michael went catatonic and lost her ability to speak for a long time, Mirror Michael became filled with rage and hate.
It s to late for her, she isn't her mirror-self, georgio wanted so much her own Mickael but with federation-mickael love for her.
Mirror Michael is psychotic. Probably been that way ever since the Klingon attack on her parent’s ship. It’s a fantasy that such a person can be changed into the other Michael.
Carl is a temporal Agent.....Agent Daniel's did things like this with Captain Archer...many times.
A different *choise* or a different *choice* ? Looks like someone made the wrong choice. 😉
Tilly's hairdo is reminiscent of that worn by a member of the 70s-80s rock band _The B-52s,_ not an Imperial StarFleet captain. The frizzy ringlets on the _Prime Universe's_ Tilly are more realistic, if not exactly conforming to dress code regulations.
But Tilly came from Planet Claire.
She needs to stay away from the food processor.
I kept thinking back to the beehive hairdos they wore in the original Star Trek tv series 🐝
@@charlesaugustussteeniii2701 She'll probably give us fish or something
What if she sends her discovery terrans to a certain ice planet, and they establish a secret human civilization called the Breen?
BRUHHHHHHHH
Are Breen human?
@@lamario295 they didnt say, but pretending to be alien is not above humans.
Of all the things wrong with DIS. I do love how they portray the Terran Empire though!
It's Not Too Late For Her To Make A Different Choise - Star Trek Discovery 3x09
Typo alert typo alert it's spelled Choice not choise
Fantastic 🖖💜
Tilly doesn’t quite have that “evil” persona
I know what you mean, but she is highly loyal to her Emperor in particular. She doesn't show the same respect or kindness to non-Terrans. I believe her record states her as being particularly ruthless and vicious in dealing with aliens. Much like how Michael acts in an evil manner quite a bit on-screen, but she genuinely accepts and appreciates what she feels is love from Lorca. Even darkness has its soft spots.
Because Tilly and Mirror Tilly aren’t really all that different. The same for Owo and Detmer and their Mirror counterparts.
Slaves I don't remembered that directly from star trek enterprise. I remembered Vulcan , tellerite, orion, denoubian on starship enterprise with Archer. Xenophobic yes but slaves no.
Heck even xenophobic Archer promoted T'Pol to first officer. Although only for the time being until he EXTERMINATED them if he became emperor. But thank goodness Hoshi overthrew him. Even she knew he was too extreme.
Enough! Trek needs a mirror show, with occasional transgressions into our universe
Georgiou is the only thing that's not cringe.
CHOICE
choice!
Why the noisy epilogues?
GREAT ACTRESS, ....
Spheretext
There is no letter "S" in the word "Choice."
I’m fucking dying xd
ist der rechte arm open wird man dich loben bin ich der einzige der das sieht oder machen die da die eine geste #H?
Yes workers without pay can be fickle if she took care of the worlds she conquered by providing all need in return for there service I don't think needless manpower and equipment would have been needlessly wasted crushing uprisings and rebellion in the episode of startrek enterprise judgement Archer ran into fleeing refugees then duras came to Hunt them down it stuck with me if the terran empire provided the basic needs for all conquered worlds they may not need to deal with rebellion on a long period of time to bad she didn't stay in her original universe to realise that dream terran empire could have lasted for thousand years or more
Choice not Choise
Choice not "choise".
You spelled choice wrong
Even when she's dead, the STD writers will stop at nothing to make the universe spin around Burnham till she comes out alive again.
It's choice... ;)
Wow. You've got a real writing issue when the character's behavior makes more sense in the mirror universe than ours.
Yeah this show sucked but the most interesting part was the mirror universe arc. I wouldn't mind this being a show itself. Mainly because Discovery already didn't feel like Star Trek but just another sci fi
Choice not choise
Yes but who choisded that?
I guess they spell differently in the Terran Empire.
spoilers
given how they treat each other, and other races like kelpians, and since im antifascist, the terrans earned their defeat at the hand of cardasian klingon alliance
Yeah, that was centuries of karma finally coming due.
Right. Because the Cadassian-Klingon alliance wasn't fascist at all...
that doesn't happen for what 100 years or so?
@@atcguy01 They are both as bad as eachother, but time has shown that people in the Mirror universe can change.
@@atcguy01 Oh, they were every bit as bad as the Terran Empire. It looks like in the late 24th century, the Terran Resistance gave them their well earned karma.
Show sux
It's not too late for Michael/Michelle to make a different choice! 🤔🕵️
I wonder, does Obama care?!🖖
It is too late. It was already too late when she was plucked out of the orphanage by the Emperor. Mirror Michael is psychotic. She is wired differently than the other Michael and can’t be reformed or redeemed. The Emperor knew instantly that Michael wasn’t her daughter because she was too calm, too disciplined and not demented.
You misspelled choice