He is perfect indeed. I would like to think he could be the Star Trek version of Doctor Who. But in this case, time comes to him, not travel through time.
Michelle Yeoh earned her Oscar by taking every role as a serious challenge to be better than she was in her previous roles. I’m glad Paramount is reconsidering her chance to revisit her previous role in “Section 31”. I don’t think it’ll be a recycling project but another award for Yeoh’s ongoing career. ❤❤❤
I don't know about paramount reconsidering Michelle Yeoh coming back to do the show. She had promised to do it even before she took that Oscar: She never thought and she said this in interviews That everything everywhere would ever take off the way it did.
@@TwistedSecrets777 Not if she is going to end up back in the 22nd century of the prime universe, I think. Remember, Michael, her crew and the Discovery all appeared in the future as well. Why did this happen to Georgiou and not to Michael or the rest of the crew? And why are they not trying to find a way to get back to the 22nd century? Doesn't make sense to me...
@@DanielBrongers It was mentioned earlier in the episode, it's happening to Phillipa because not only did she jump 900 years into the future but she had already jumped universes.
@@Washuluver87 Correct. According to this season of Discovery time-travel over a long distance can, apparently, be disorienting to some (Seems the Discovery crew avoided this by and large). Time-travel over a long span AND across a dimension is terminal. So Philippa has to either go across to (whenever) the mirror universe, or way back in time in the prime universe. Those are her two options. She didn't want to go back to the mirror universe "You're not sending me back to Terra" so she's probably somewhere around the 23rd century in the Prime universe. For creative writing purposes, that would be my guess. If Pike is also getting a series they probably don't want to be playing in the same sandbox. I suppose there's one more option. The differing resonances of universes explanation seems to suggest the the real reason Philippa is ill isn't simply that she traveled a great distance through time while being in the wrong universe, but rather that she traveled so far that the two universes had drifted apart upon her return. Thus, the discordance of her atomic resonance was terminally severe. Theoretically, the distance she traveled through time is irrelevant compared to the fact that she went past the point where the universes were acceptably parallel. For example, assume the discomfort/pain caused by this discordance is proportional to how far apart the universes drift apart. If that is the case, there must be a general distance/time at which that distance triggers a terminal discordance. If Philippa jumped forward say...333 years, to a point where that terminal distance was still 70 years into the future, she'd probably be fine. For that matter, if some random Terran from 333 years past Philippa's time happened to find themselves in the prime universe, and THEN they jumped 40 years into the future from that point they'd also probably be fine ("Fine" meaning not dying. Probably uncomfortable in some way though.) My point is that the universes drifting apart is the issue, not simply that she went forward in time while being in the wrong one. SO, in addition to sending Philippa back in time in the prime universe, or over to the mirror universe in any timeline, this being could also send her to whatever universe is currently close enough to the mirror universe not to kill her. Assuming such a universe exists.
@@Diggnuts Please, Philippa failed nonetheless and Spock reformed a whole empire. Discovery also acknowledged 4/5 most decorated captains were male. Listen to TH-cam haters less please.
Back when Michael saved the Emperor in Season 1, I remember her getting quite some criticism for it. For one, because she effectively kidnapped the Emperor, and because of the crimes the Emperor committed in her reality. But I always thought saving her, even if it seemed unreasonable at the time, was the most Star Trek course of action Michael could've taken. Or at least, just letting her die was the exact opposite. At the time, it was just an emotional reaction because Michael couldn't see her mentor, even if it wasn't really her, die again. But I think it's also because she wanted to see Prime Georgiou in Mirror Georgiou. For a long time, it seemed like the two were nothing alike. But time went on to prove that this was very much a case of nature vs nurture, and that Mirror Georgiou always had the things that made her prime counterpart great. Others who were given the opportunity for redemption arcs, like Winn and Dukat, rejected them. Georgiou didn't waste hers. She cannot erase her past crimes. But if she is willing to change, they don't have to define her future. At it's most basic, the detour to the mirror universe in Season 1 showed Michael how terrible things could get if we allowed our fears to make all our decisions for us. So by the time Discovery returned, she was not willing to support a plan that would've ruined the Klingon Empire, even if it appeared to be the only option left. Now, Georgiou has learnt similar lessons. Arguably in a more believable way, since her character was actually given the time for it to feel significant. I just wish that this side plot had happened in a show with longer seasons. Two episodes (plus setup) is a lot to sacrifice in a 13 episode season when it does fairly little for the main plot.
@@RealLordVoldemort fair enough few of the others were okay if they didn't listen to burnham and and try and kill phillipa they would have made it to their next birthday or performance review
@@Mxyzptlksac fair point. But they really never looked back a lot in the TNG Era at how a storyline might have effected previous TOS stories. Also, Harlan Ellison was still around so the production guys might not have wanted to deal with that particular can of worms.
Theres no saying that the guardian of forever isn't a Q, or a creation of the Q, or just something the Q occasionally like to mess with. Basically always assume at some level, there is a Q involved.
of all the phenomenal cosmic powers Star Trek had, the Guardian of Forever wasn't even in my top 20 to behind Carl. I wasn't even really expecting him to be a beard for Q
The Guardian of Forever at least in one of the beta canon novels was an artificial intelligence created by the Q, before they ascended into their next plane of existence. Consider the Guardian to be the final grand creation of beings nearing godhood, they have already done everything and can do anything, but going back to the every possible outcome of history would be a triumph for their civilization. At least, it's how I see the Guardian, the final great creation of a god-like race. John de Lancie's Q even mentioned it as "at least our ancestors knew how to build things", it's hard to get praise from the Q and the Guardian being their last material creation seems poetic.
“This Michael Burnham is right where she needs to be”, interesting phrasing, a reference to another Michael Burnham he came into contact in another time period, STO players understand.
Why I'm getting a lot of "It's A Wonderful Life" vibe here, with Georgiou is George Bailey and Carl is Clarence, and he is sent with a mission to show Georgiou that she has a different and better path in whichever universe she ends up next (aka her own Trek series).
You're supposed to, but the concept is totally different and rather cheapened the Guardian. True there are few writers that are operating at Ellison's metaphysical imagination in this age. In the original draft the Guardian was 7 Guardians (a council of time) and the portal was just their device. Roddenberry's crew condensed them to a voiceover and the portal being The Guardian. I watched this sequence of S3 and this was done as a backdoor pilot like Assignment Earth. It was contrived just to explain a new series, and Carl is not as well done as the pan temporal character in MIB3 which he is lifted from. A big clue is The Prime universe and The Terran universe...thats fan-fiction lingo. Why would one timeline be the "Prime"? In the original, the Guardian always knew how time went. Kirk and company was there so Edith had died. She died because Kirk fell in love with her and took her to see a Clark Gable movie...after Spock was given just enough information to know "Edith Keylor must die" Why did the Social Worker cross the road...to get to the other side. Why was she on the other side...she was on a date.
"and he'll save others, a lot of them." Wait so that wasn't an illusion or simulation, a new alternate timeline was created that will branch off and continue with the repercussions of what she did? Be interesting to see the results.
Discovery gets such a lot of abuse and hatred.... I honestly think people will look back on it and ask "why the hell did they kill it after 5 seasons". I know their style is a bit unprofessional and the interpersonal stuff is a bit too touchy feely sometimes but really - it has been brilliant... Yeoh is just outstanding ... but Martin-Green has really poured everything into the role as well... she has been one of the best actors ever on the show... I really do think she has been superb. I love the scenes where she think Book has been killed and when the 10C bring him back... she could not have put any more into that scene. Nobody could have. She deserves an award for her acting skills.
SHe is getting her own show, something to do with section 31 and control and the time space thing and two universes some of archers crew may be in it from what the internet says
@@brianlindee220 That has happened repeatedly in Star Trek television series. Cameo appearances, returning characters, and sometimes regular cast. Picard is the best example.
They might bring trip and archer back. I think T’pal doesn’t want to come back. Maybe Sato? I don’t think Malcom, may weather, or phlox.Definitely not porthos lol
Rumors and nothing more it would be looking at a old folks home in space but Linda Park still is in good condition and Joleen blalock is a model and it's something she is always doing exercise
And i thought before this episode would end, georgiou would appear in the mirror universe, in the past where she will meet little Mickael for a third chance.
Hopefully Today Wednesday April 5th 2023 We will get information about What Happened to Georgeu Where and When did she Land and Info on a Section 31 Show she is Going to be on, I Hope she Ended Up in the 25th or Maybe Even 26th Century that would be Interesting.
After Georgiou enters the portal the second time, Michael returns to the ship and tells Saru what happened. Inexplicably Saru concludes that she is "deceased." There is zero indication that she has died so I don't know what anyone was thinking here. It's not like the crew of Discovery are simple minded country folk. No, these are people who see crazy things every damn day. They just jumped forward in time 930 years! And yet for some reason this is the narrow-minded and frankly egocentric view they take with regard to Georgiou's departure. "We are unlikely to see her again, therefore she is dead." You have to wonder how it can be that none of the writers, the crew, and the cast said, "Wait a minute, what the hell are these people thinking? This makes no sense!"
To them she might as well be: she probably got sent back to the year that they left and she can't ever come back to their time. Going the long way round Georgiou would be long since dead by this point.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent True, but when you are essentially the Gods of the Star Trek universe, lying about stuff isn't really all too necessary, since they can do literally all they say they can hahahaha
That is one thing that bothers me in TOS/TNG. How lightly they treated time trave. The Borgs could travel through time, Kirk visited the 1960s in two separate occasions, one of the willingly. Spock under the effects of the virus that affected the crew's minds created in minutes another way to trave through time. There was the Guardian.
the borg are advanced even more so than the federation so if they wanted to time travel it's not inconceivable. kirk first time was a mistake. whiplash from a black star from their warp engines going full astern at full power. second time was ordered by starfleet for historical research. this was before the temporal prime directive. as for the city on hte dge of forever... that was mccoys fault.
@@joeswanson733 OK, but people being able to timetravel willingly since TOS days is weird. How History kept unchanged? Kirk was basically doing a observation expedition when he met Gary Seven. And if Spock could invent time travel in seconds while mentally impaired, seriously, how the Romulans, with their disregard for individual hadn't experimented with it? And the Bord being able to timetravel... Why even launch that assalto on the Federation if they did not plan to comquer it in the present, but in the past? All they accomplished was attraction Picard's.
"Back to a time when the Mirror Universe and Prime Universe were still ALIGNED" The time the borg sphere crashed on Earth as a result of Starfleets interference in the first temporal disruption! $100,000,000 bucks says they'll run into Phillipa in a past time adventure! Somewhere after first contact!
@@HansWurst-vr3pr it's implied by what he said that he's sending her to the pre-split era, as she didn't want to go back to her own universe and he said he didn't plan to send her there thus, the only period he could possibly send her to would be either our universe in an earlier time period, or the pre-split universe before the first Vulcan is killed on Earth.
@Pale Embers it's implied by what he said that he's sending her to the pre-split era, as she didn't want to go back to her own universe and he said he didn't plan to send her there thus, the only period he could possibly send her to would be either our universe in an earlier time period, or the pre-split universe before the first Vulcan is killed on Earth.
So where was she sent ? To the mirror Universe or the Prime Universe ? The Guardian only said that she will be sent to a time when the 2 Universes are mire alligend. I mean if she was sent to the mirror universe maybe she was the one who created the Restistance ?
The universes weren't alligned even before then. Watch the intro for Enterprise "In a Mirror, Darkly" you can see that even then the Terran Empire existed in the 1960's as that was the flag planted on the Moon.
Great story ....tte universe/god allows uturns and course corrections ....its all a test ....your weighing could come at any time ....no one knows the hour
You might've been able to convince me of this, until I'd seen so much worse... Picard season 2 and 3... Strange New Worlds... Discovery is easily my favorite of the current live action outings
Michelle Yeo is an incredibly talented actress. She played an awesome part in this, looking forward to seeing her in the spinoff series. (can you tell I'm a fan 😂)
@@carycimino7699 Based on a recent update it seems that the project is still very much alive and still moving forward with Michelle IF and when she finds the time.
@@crazybrit-nasafan Sadly I Heard that the Section 31 Show they may Announce Today First Contact Day will be a Mini Series, That is Both Good and Bad cause on One Hand we will get a Section 31 Show but on the Other it Will be Short.
Did nobody get the quantum leap reference? Guardian " you saved a Kelpian and he will save others, a lot of them " Last quantum leap episode " at the risk of over inflating your ego Sam you've done more the lives you touched, touched others and those lives touched more, you've done a lot of good Sam Beckett "
@@Velldog Star Trek: Quantum Leap, where Section 31/Temporal Agent Philippa Georgiou time travels from one century to the next to resolve crime/mystery of the week and to protect the Federation universe from whichever impending doom that may come its way.
I truly love the dialog from the Guardian telling Emperor Georgiou that she truly changed when she helped Saru. Like the Guardian, she did not have to do this. That is truly a powerful statement.
She could have. The name section 31, was give to the organization by the original federation charter back in enterprise. However, the organization probably did exist before then.
@@PsychCaptain Yes; I said maybe the guardian sent her back in time far enough to found section 31; and she named it that, because she was in the 31st century at the time.
Per ENT, Section 31 was first created via the United Earth Starfleet charter, Article 14, Section 31 and was definitely actively conducting operations by the 2140s and 2150s. So if she's truly going back to the beginning, that would suggest yet another early prequel.
ya know what's so cool the Guardian of Forever didn't have to do what he did he could have let Georgiou die. I think he saw something good in her and the only way to find out where she truly belonged was to test her and see if her time in Michal's universe had changed her for the better and it did so he took a liking to Georgiou and gave her a new course in a universe i have a feeling she is going to Love
The problem with this Guardian of Forever is that he cares what happens when people change the timeline. The original Guardian of Forever had a malevolent sort of apathy. It didn't matter to him, whatsoever, what someone did with the timeline. He was a superior being, but concepts like morality and justice were the concerns of mere mortals, concerns he wasn't designed to be bothered with.
alot can happen in the many thousands of years that has passed .....he tested her to see if she would try to do something evil and in the end she showed she wasnt the same person she was before that so he sent her before all of it began to start a new road .....to bad the show cant go on with her it would make a badass side show
Looking forward to seeing Philippa in Section 31. BTW, in DS9's Mirror Universe episodes, the subjugated peoples were just as horrible as the Terrans. For example, Mirror Major Kira, was a bisexual nyphomaniac. And that was her good points. She was also murderous and sadistic. Poor Garak was reduced to kissing ass in both realities. 😛
Prime Garak would have them all killing each other, then make himself Emperor. The only ass Garak was kissing was probably Bashir, but the flirting, romancing, and chocolates fell on deaf ears.
This was an emotional moment for me. I almost cried. Ive never done that watching star trek. Emperor georgiou was an amazing character, well written, great development. Always mysterious, which left me wanting to see more. Always badass, always knowing she will save the day. I gotta say the scene where she fights the courier is amazing. I still think that scene is bad ass
That's like... A years-long process with less than 5% chances of success. Can't exchange the atoms immediately because it's replacing her body but what happens to the mind within the brain? Not to mention the quantum signatures of the matter that composes her is from the mirror universe. Exchanging that with atoms from the prime is simply asking like, "Hey resurrect prime Georgiou by turning the emperor into her."
"Stargate" is actually inspired by Star Trek & the City on the Edge of Forever, as a child I saw that episode for the first time when my parents let me stay up late one night to watch this crazy new show that they both also watched, I was about 6 years old back in the day... ...yeah the day, way back in the groovy 60s in the UK. I have waited over half a century to hear those words again "I AM THE GUARDIAN OF FOREVER..." STAR TREK is back, haters!!
Star Trek is mostly a Buck Rogers series updated to the late 60 competing with crews on SF ships like in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Several episodes are lifted directly from Philip Nowlan novels (1920s) or the 30s Buck Rogers comics. The Space Union of Planets and uniforms come from a kids series called "Rocky Jones" in the 50s and the setup is basically Forbidden Planet updated with a fleet of bigger saucer ships, with aliens discovered. Did the Stargate movie in the 90s do it because of the set dresser mistakes in 1966 building City (it wasn't supposed to be a blinking rock doughnut)...i don't know. However I doubt it as the Stargate didn't take you through time but space, as did the Jumpgates on B5 or the wormhole on DS9 the B5 knockoff. The look maybe, but it also looks like Irwin Allen's Time Tunnel a very popular show in the late 60s that has been rebooted a dozen times with different names.
Watching Phillipa leave WAS very sad 😥 BUT expected!!!!!!!! Things have a way of working out and maybe she'll return IN her own unique way!!!!!!!!!! Wishing her lotsa GOOD luck!!!!!!!!!
"Weighed." This alludes to the Egyptian lore of Death and Judgement by Anubis. The dead's soul is weighed against a feather. If the soul is heavier than the feather, it is sent to their version of Hell. Otherwise, their version of Heaven. And Anubis is a pretty slick anthro Jackal, just don't hit him up on a date, kay? Carl, "needed" to help the Emperor travel back, failing that as Dr. Kovich predicted., going out with a bang. DISCOVERY is a lynch pin in that timeline. It's needed right where it is, as Capt. Burnham.
The actor who plays The Guardian is PERFECT for the part.
I agree! He was on CSI and enjoyed the character of Captain Brass that he portrayed in the series.
Paul Guilfoyle
Agreed 👍🏻
He is perfect indeed. I would like to think he could be the Star Trek version of Doctor Who. But in this case, time comes to him, not travel through time.
@@williamhaney4118 Agreed. He’s more of the Star Trek equivalent of a TARDIS, being a gateway to other portals and dimensions.
Michelle Yeoh earned her Oscar by taking every role as a serious challenge to be better than she was in her previous roles. I’m glad Paramount is reconsidering her chance to revisit her previous role in “Section 31”. I don’t think it’ll be a recycling project but another award for Yeoh’s ongoing career. ❤❤❤
She is fantastic 👏
I don't know about paramount reconsidering Michelle Yeoh coming back to do the show.
She had promised to do it even before she took that Oscar: She never thought and she said this in interviews That everything everywhere would ever take off the way it did.
this show didnt get an oscar.
@@nomercyinc6783 But Michelle Yeoh did.
My heart broke when she asked if Michael can join her... so sad to see her go.
Even if she could go she would go through the same thing Georgiou is going through
@@TwistedSecrets777 Not if she is going to end up back in the 22nd century of the prime universe, I think. Remember, Michael, her crew and the Discovery all appeared in the future as well. Why did this happen to Georgiou and not to Michael or the rest of the crew? And why are they not trying to find a way to get back to the 22nd century? Doesn't make sense to me...
Perhaps their understanding of temporal mechanics is lacking. Almost 1k years is a LOT of scientific advancement....
@@DanielBrongers It was mentioned earlier in the episode, it's happening to Phillipa because not only did she jump 900 years into the future but she had already jumped universes.
@@Washuluver87 Correct. According to this season of Discovery time-travel over a long distance can, apparently, be disorienting to some (Seems the Discovery crew avoided this by and large). Time-travel over a long span AND across a dimension is terminal. So Philippa has to either go across to (whenever) the mirror universe, or way back in time in the prime universe. Those are her two options. She didn't want to go back to the mirror universe "You're not sending me back to Terra" so she's probably somewhere around the 23rd century in the Prime universe. For creative writing purposes, that would be my guess. If Pike is also getting a series they probably don't want to be playing in the same sandbox.
I suppose there's one more option. The differing resonances of universes explanation seems to suggest the the real reason Philippa is ill isn't simply that she traveled a great distance through time while being in the wrong universe, but rather that she traveled so far that the two universes had drifted apart upon her return. Thus, the discordance of her atomic resonance was terminally severe. Theoretically, the distance she traveled through time is irrelevant compared to the fact that she went past the point where the universes were acceptably parallel.
For example, assume the discomfort/pain caused by this discordance is proportional to how far apart the universes drift apart. If that is the case, there must be a general distance/time at which that distance triggers a terminal discordance.
If Philippa jumped forward say...333 years, to a point where that terminal distance was still 70 years into the future, she'd probably be fine. For that matter, if some random Terran from 333 years past Philippa's time happened to find themselves in the prime universe, and THEN they jumped 40 years into the future from that point they'd also probably be fine ("Fine" meaning not dying. Probably uncomfortable in some way though.)
My point is that the universes drifting apart is the issue, not simply that she went forward in time while being in the wrong one. SO, in addition to sending Philippa back in time in the prime universe, or over to the mirror universe in any timeline, this being could also send her to whatever universe is currently close enough to the mirror universe not to kill her. Assuming such a universe exists.
Adding the original voice for the big reveal was a nice touch. Captain Brass was an added bonus too.
If you think about it Georgiou basically created the resistance in the mirror universe. She also took future tech with her to the past!
The Terrans thought the USS Defiant NCC-1764 was damn advanced wait till they see a 1000 year futuristic Apple Watch lol.
Can't have mirror Spock have that honor.. He's male...
@@Diggnuts oh STFU. Pike is the most honourable person in the show and he’s male.
@@Diggnuts Please, Philippa failed nonetheless and Spock reformed a whole empire. Discovery also acknowledged 4/5 most decorated captains were male. Listen to TH-cam haters less please.
@@champbaka You have trouble reading I gather?
Back when Michael saved the Emperor in Season 1, I remember her getting quite some criticism for it. For one, because she effectively kidnapped the Emperor, and because of the crimes the Emperor committed in her reality.
But I always thought saving her, even if it seemed unreasonable at the time, was the most Star Trek course of action Michael could've taken. Or at least, just letting her die was the exact opposite. At the time, it was just an emotional reaction because Michael couldn't see her mentor, even if it wasn't really her, die again. But I think it's also because she wanted to see Prime Georgiou in Mirror Georgiou.
For a long time, it seemed like the two were nothing alike. But time went on to prove that this was very much a case of nature vs nurture, and that Mirror Georgiou always had the things that made her prime counterpart great. Others who were given the opportunity for redemption arcs, like Winn and Dukat, rejected them. Georgiou didn't waste hers.
She cannot erase her past crimes. But if she is willing to change, they don't have to define her future.
At it's most basic, the detour to the mirror universe in Season 1 showed Michael how terrible things could get if we allowed our fears to make all our decisions for us. So by the time Discovery returned, she was not willing to support a plan that would've ruined the Klingon Empire, even if it appeared to be the only option left.
Now, Georgiou has learnt similar lessons. Arguably in a more believable way, since her character was actually given the time for it to feel significant. I just wish that this side plot had happened in a show with longer seasons. Two episodes (plus setup) is a lot to sacrifice in a 13 episode season when it does fairly little for the main plot.
We lost Lorca. We lost Pike. Now we're losing Georgiou.
I'm very sad.
Pike and Georgiou are getting their own shows
Someone will take her place in the empire
@@brianlindee220 killy and owo
@@RealLordVoldemort fair enough few of the others were okay if they didn't listen to burnham and and try and kill phillipa they would have made it to their next birthday or performance review
@@brianlindee220 loyalty is important in any universe
Its cool to see a mention to the Temporal Cold War again
I get the feeling from this entire season that the Cold War went Hot.
I remember during Enterprise thinking where was the Guardian during the Temporal Cold War
@@Mxyzptlksac fair point. But they really never looked back a lot in the TNG Era at how a storyline might have effected previous TOS stories.
Also, Harlan Ellison was still around so the production guys might not have wanted to deal with that particular can of worms.
@@CWR1701 The Temporal Cold War were this close to being hot, you can see it when you play the Star Trek Online game
@@Mxyzptlksac danialson, archer hated him.
At first I thought it might be a Q. Was a great nod to the original Trek for it ito be the Guardian of Forever.
Theres no saying that the guardian of forever isn't a Q, or a creation of the Q, or just something the Q occasionally like to mess with. Basically always assume at some level, there is a Q involved.
Loved this whole setup and payoff, guardian of forever + temporal wars
damn I'm gonna miss her so much!
of all the phenomenal cosmic powers Star Trek had, the Guardian of Forever wasn't even in my top 20 to behind Carl. I wasn't even really expecting him to be a beard for Q
The Guardian of Forever at least in one of the beta canon novels was an artificial intelligence created by the Q, before they ascended into their next plane of existence. Consider the Guardian to be the final grand creation of beings nearing godhood, they have already done everything and can do anything, but going back to the every possible outcome of history would be a triumph for their civilization. At least, it's how I see the Guardian, the final great creation of a god-like race. John de Lancie's Q even mentioned it as "at least our ancestors knew how to build things", it's hard to get praise from the Q and the Guardian being their last material creation seems poetic.
“This Michael Burnham is right where she needs to be”, interesting phrasing, a reference to another Michael Burnham he came into contact in another time period, STO players understand.
This scene could not have been done any better.
Watching this scene for the 500th time. I just love that we get a back story and it doesnt feel rushed. You feel bad for the guardian in the end.
I do hope if we're staying in the future, we will get more about the temporal war and finish what to me was enterprise's series long storyline
Why I'm getting a lot of "It's A Wonderful Life" vibe here, with Georgiou is George Bailey and Carl is Clarence, and he is sent with a mission to show Georgiou that she has a different and better path in whichever universe she ends up next (aka her own Trek series).
I saw a bit of "A Christmas Carole." Where the Ghost of Christmas Past shows her, her life. And now she has no interest in returning to that life.
@@filippofittipaldi8050 Good observation, I agree!
And Q is returning too: John de Lancie reveals he will return as Q in a future Trek series, twitter.com/startrekucast/status/1340620438205050880
Well this answers alot of questions. I just wish we got to see what time period Georgio was sent back to.
probably where her Section 31 show take place
@@annguyen-tr3ne I understand that, I just wish we got a look at what time period. You know the time period of Pike, or Kirk.
@@michaelfowler2603 in between the picard and kirk would be nice but the possibilities are endless
@@Zenth93 I don't think she will be sent back to the time of Picard. She will either be sent to either time of Pike or Kirk.
Should be first contact, where it's all began
This is fabulous.
Loved gorgiou her accent was perfrect for the role
Time Gods are snappy dressers. Love the bowler hat.
It's a doorway... you can't stand in a doorway all your life.
Bowler hat, trench coat he's dressed like the presence from DC comics.
that would be cool wouldn't it?
I theorize that Phillipa went back in time and became the original Phillipa that we see at the beginning of Discovery.
No,she travelled far earlier than that,at least before the first contact,for that's where two timelines seperated.
Thought that too. But it felt more like a feverish nightmare.
So this is what Jim Brass was doing after his retirement from the LVPD... ;)
Jim brass as a interdimensional protector just fkn awesome
Yeah, it's amazing where Jim Brass can turn up.
I like how they included something from the original Star Trek into this scene
You're supposed to, but the concept is totally different and rather cheapened the Guardian.
True there are few writers that are operating at Ellison's metaphysical imagination in this age. In the original draft the Guardian was 7 Guardians (a council of time) and the portal was just their device. Roddenberry's crew condensed them to a voiceover and the portal being The Guardian.
I watched this sequence of S3 and this was done as a backdoor pilot like Assignment Earth. It was contrived just to explain a new series, and Carl is not as well done as the pan temporal character in MIB3 which he is lifted from. A big clue is The Prime universe and The Terran universe...thats fan-fiction lingo. Why would one timeline be the "Prime"?
In the original, the Guardian always knew how time went. Kirk and company was there so Edith had died. She died because Kirk fell in love with her and took her to see a Clark Gable movie...after Spock was given just enough information to know "Edith Keylor must die"
Why did the Social Worker cross the road...to get to the other side. Why was she on the other side...she was on a date.
"and he'll save others, a lot of them." Wait so that wasn't an illusion or simulation, a new alternate timeline was created that will branch off and continue with the repercussions of what she did? Be interesting to see the results.
This is by far the worst Star Trek series so far. I'm sure there's more to come when pandering to sexual deviants.
This
@@lowfatmilk1677 This?
WTF "deviants"?!?
ジョージアは役者として主役級だった
She is getting her own section 31 show apparently
The first episode of CSI he is saying the suspect is saying "soddi" some other dude did it. Nice intro.
Never watched this series, nor do I regret it.
I just heard the Last of the Mohican’s Theme in this episode.
CAPTAIN BRASS!
Hope she walks on through to get an Oscar.
Discovery gets such a lot of abuse and hatred.... I honestly think people will look back on it and ask "why the hell did they kill it after 5 seasons". I know their style is a bit unprofessional and the interpersonal stuff is a bit too touchy feely sometimes but really - it has been brilliant... Yeoh is just outstanding ... but Martin-Green has really poured everything into the role as well... she has been one of the best actors ever on the show... I really do think she has been superb. I love the scenes where she think Book has been killed and when the 10C bring him back... she could not have put any more into that scene. Nobody could have. She deserves an award for her acting skills.
"When you're ready...just walk on through."
So the Guardian of Forever has turned into Captain Jim Brass from CSI😉😁.
SHe is getting her own show, something to do with section 31 and control and the time space thing and two universes some of archers crew may be in it from what the internet says
Do you actually think there going to hire on old actors
@@brianlindee220 That has happened repeatedly in Star Trek television series. Cameo appearances, returning characters, and sometimes regular cast. Picard is the best example.
@@brianlindee220 they have done it in the past trip is section 31 and Bashir
They might bring trip and archer back. I think T’pal doesn’t want to come back. Maybe Sato? I don’t think Malcom, may weather, or phlox.Definitely not porthos lol
Rumors and nothing more it would be looking at a old folks home in space but Linda Park still is in good condition and Joleen blalock is a model and it's something she is always doing exercise
And i thought before this episode would end, georgiou would appear in the mirror universe, in the past where she will meet little Mickael for a third chance.
Best episode of disco
Hopefully Today Wednesday April 5th 2023 We will get information about What Happened to Georgeu Where and When did she Land and Info on a Section 31 Show she is Going to be on, I Hope she Ended Up in the 25th or Maybe Even 26th Century that would be Interesting.
To be continued in the upcoming Section 31 movie in 2025. Can not wait for this.......
After Georgiou enters the portal the second time, Michael returns to the ship and tells Saru what happened. Inexplicably Saru concludes that she is "deceased." There is zero indication that she has died so I don't know what anyone was thinking here. It's not like the crew of Discovery are simple minded country folk. No, these are people who see crazy things every damn day. They just jumped forward in time 930 years! And yet for some reason this is the narrow-minded and frankly egocentric view they take with regard to Georgiou's departure. "We are unlikely to see her again, therefore she is dead." You have to wonder how it can be that none of the writers, the crew, and the cast said, "Wait a minute, what the hell are these people thinking? This makes no sense!"
To them she might as well be: she probably got sent back to the year that they left and she can't ever come back to their time. Going the long way round Georgiou would be long since dead by this point.
@@WarGrowlmon18 It just seems like really bad writing to me. There is no way the characters in the show would view things that way.
How's his power compared to the Q continuum
In one of the licensed novels (so, not canon), the Q's ancestors created the Guardian of Forever.
@@sweetsucculentcontentnectar Or at least they say they did. The Q are the type to lie in order to protect that inflated galactic wide ego.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent True, but when you are essentially the Gods of the Star Trek universe, lying about stuff isn't really all too necessary, since they can do literally all they say they can hahahaha
Anyone know the song at the end pls?
I hope that the sphere really is giorgio
Anyone have a really intelligent guess as to where they could send her and it work in canon?
this episode right here why Michele should of done a mirror universe series after she got back an not a section 31 series
That is one thing that bothers me in TOS/TNG. How lightly they treated time trave. The Borgs could travel through time, Kirk visited the 1960s in two separate occasions, one of the willingly. Spock under the effects of the virus that affected the crew's minds created in minutes another way to trave through time. There was the Guardian.
the borg are advanced even more so than the federation so if they wanted to time travel it's not inconceivable.
kirk first time was a mistake. whiplash from a black star from their warp engines going full astern at full power. second time was ordered by starfleet for historical research. this was before the temporal prime directive.
as for the city on hte dge of forever... that was mccoys fault.
@@joeswanson733 OK, but people being able to timetravel willingly since TOS days is weird. How History kept unchanged? Kirk was basically doing a observation expedition when he met Gary Seven. And if Spock could invent time travel in seconds while mentally impaired, seriously, how the Romulans, with their disregard for individual hadn't experimented with it? And the Bord being able to timetravel... Why even launch that assalto on the Federation if they did not plan to comquer it in the present, but in the past? All they accomplished was attraction Picard's.
I think she will reappear in the next season of Picard. Just a feeling based on the trailer.
Yeah, but who cares? The other show is also trash so she can't ruin it as well.
"Back to a time when the Mirror Universe and Prime Universe were still ALIGNED"
The time the borg sphere crashed on Earth as a result of Starfleets interference in the first temporal disruption!
$100,000,000 bucks says they'll run into Phillipa in a past time adventure! Somewhere after first contact!
To be fair, it'll be interesting to see how they explore that period, just hope it doesn't end badly...
This series looks guff.
I can imagine that the Guardians is, or leads the travelers.
Spock, Kirk and the gang met this thing back in TOS. Back then it was basically a big time travel joyride/vacation portal.
I AM THE CARL OF FOREVER
At first I thought it was Ed Asner.
Woot, was there Discovery season airing in meantime? Lol missed that.
We lost the Emperor who made for great storytelling and were given a crying child as an explanation for the destruction of an entire galaxy. Wtf
So she's going back to season 2 time Period? When both worlds were closer together
No, back to before first contact.
@@safebox36 where did you get that from?
She was sent to the Stone Age unfortunately.
@@HansWurst-vr3pr it's implied by what he said that he's sending her to the pre-split era, as she didn't want to go back to her own universe and he said he didn't plan to send her there
thus, the only period he could possibly send her to would be either our universe in an earlier time period, or the pre-split universe before the first Vulcan is killed on Earth.
@Pale Embers it's implied by what he said that he's sending her to the pre-split era, as she didn't want to go back to her own universe and he said he didn't plan to send her there
thus, the only period he could possibly send her to would be either our universe in an earlier time period, or the pre-split universe before the first Vulcan is killed on Earth.
So where was she sent ? To the mirror Universe or the Prime Universe ? The Guardian only said that she will be sent to a time when the 2 Universes are mire alligend. I mean if she was sent to the mirror universe maybe she was the one who created the Restistance ?
She was sent back to when the Mirror Universe and the Prime Universe were the same thing, before they diverged and became separate.
If I remember correctly, the Prime and Mirror universes were aligned until the Vulcans landed on Earth, so Georgiou went back to 2063.
The universes weren't alligned even before then. Watch the intro for Enterprise "In a Mirror, Darkly" you can see that even then the Terran Empire existed in the 1960's as that was the flag planted on the Moon.
@@dmanc85 right, there was an alien presence even near that time (T'Pol's ancestor) that could have been a very good candidate for the divergence
Spaceship captain would not have all that rope in her head
I'm really disappointed with the unrealistic style change they made to her character
I know nothing of this show. Why is the name of that woman, Michael?
Anybody else wondering if there's a connection between the Guardian and Q?
I really hate how this scene is film. So many cuts, unnecessary lateral tracking shots. Its making me nauseous
This was edited for the TH-cam vid, the actual episode has a lot less cuts
Does this guy look like Sylvester McCoy from Doctor Who?
When does her new show premier?
I’m sure she’ll be back somehow…
What if the Guardian meets Q?
Great story ....tte universe/god allows uturns and course corrections ....its all a test ....your weighing could come at any time ....no one knows the hour
Discovery: tainting everything about the previous series, one by one.
What's wrong about this?
leftists can't create anything new. all they can do is destroy what others have.
Good god.
How would the Guardian handle The Doctor?
I can't believe how thoroughly they've destroyed Trek.
No sh!t, what's with these people on here gushing about how great this crap is?
Of all the things in Discovery you could point to, you point to one of the best parts?
Yeah, it's mind-boggling.
Bullshit! Discovery is awesome! Have you even seen a single episode??
You might've been able to convince me of this, until I'd seen so much worse... Picard season 2 and 3... Strange New Worlds... Discovery is easily my favorite of the current live action outings
So...
A Time.... Lord?
Yeah, stolen again. And I get copyright striked when I share videos on youtube.
A stargate.
I was soooooo nostalgic when he said "I am the Guardian of Forever" in that same voice as the original in ST:TOS....😢😢😢
Closest thing for Star Trek to have their Doctor Who.
Ha! Yeah!
He even looks a bit like Sylvester McCoy
Both franchises utilize the the Time Vortex: the Guardian of Forever in ST and the Time Lords in DW
Exactly!
Right? I went through this entire episode wondering if he'd make some vague reference to being a physician of some kind.
the only time that Discovery was interesting was when Empress Gorgiou was in it
Michelle Yeo is an incredibly talented actress. She played an awesome part in this, looking forward to seeing her in the spinoff series. (can you tell I'm a fan 😂)
Oh nice ther'es a spinoff/ :)
@@RoadRunnerMeep yep. Heard there will be a section 31 based spin off.
She has not signed on due to other projects, they waited to long
@@carycimino7699 Based on a recent update it seems that the project is still very much alive and still moving forward with Michelle IF and when she finds the time.
@@crazybrit-nasafan Sadly I Heard that the Section 31 Show they may Announce Today First Contact Day will be a Mini Series, That is Both Good and Bad cause on One Hand we will get a Section 31 Show but on the Other it Will be Short.
Did nobody get the quantum leap reference? Guardian " you saved a Kelpian and he will save others, a lot of them "
Last quantum leap episode " at the risk of over inflating your ego Sam you've done more the lives you touched, touched others and those lives touched more, you've done a lot of good Sam Beckett "
don't think that was deliberate. Remember that ST preceded QL.
Might have been a nod to Captain Archers actor.
The end of quantum leap is soo sad
Cant belive they retired best character of the show.
She's getting her own series...
And she'll be voicing a character in a animated series,
"Ark the Animation"
She’s getting the section 31 show
@@Velldog Star Trek: Quantum Leap, where Section 31/Temporal Agent Philippa Georgiou time travels from one century to the next to resolve crime/mystery of the week and to protect the Federation universe from whichever impending doom that may come its way.
@@LGranthamsHeir Quantum leap was great. I'd love to see a reboot set in Trek Prime Universe😂
Imagine if william shatner played him i like lt brass though
Oh, THAT would have been the piéce de resistance!
But CBS-StarTrek won't have anything to do with Shatner now. They won't let him near it. They'd rather CGI and twice reboot Nimoy than have Shatner.
oh yes, and he could be with Edith Keeler!
Shatner has Twitter disorder. People poke him and he comes out anti trans and hating fans who gatekeepers
@@STho205 And they do it for good reasons. Shatner had his time and place, but we have now moved on. Only Shatner haven't.
I truly love the dialog from the Guardian telling Emperor Georgiou that she truly changed when she helped Saru. Like the Guardian, she did not have to do this. That is truly a powerful statement.
Wouldn't she be more appropriately addressed as empress?
@ShannonFreng Terran society is masculine. As long as you are human and not alien, you were treated well. (By Terran Standards)
@@drpikachuWell, that really clears things up. Probably another good reason i never bothered with is, or any of the other, bullshit new series.
empress= Female Emperor= male
Could Phillipa be the creator of Section 31? I mean, Section 31 is the most Terran Organization in Star Trek.
She could have. The name section 31, was give to the organization by the original federation charter back in enterprise. However, the organization probably did exist before then.
She is in the 31st century. Maybe that's where section 31 got their name???
@@johnburla the door can take her to any time.
@@PsychCaptain
Yes; I said maybe the guardian sent her back in time far enough to found section 31; and she named it that, because she was in the 31st century at the time.
Per ENT, Section 31 was first created via the United Earth Starfleet charter, Article 14, Section 31 and was definitely actively conducting operations by the 2140s and 2150s. So if she's truly going back to the beginning, that would suggest yet another early prequel.
ya know what's so cool the Guardian of Forever didn't have to do what he did he could have let Georgiou die. I think he saw something good in her and the only way to find out where she truly belonged was to test her and see if her time in Michal's universe had changed her for the better and it did so he took a liking to Georgiou and gave her a new course in a universe i have a feeling she is going to Love
Tbf georgiou was a pretty interesting individual, good or not
The problem with this Guardian of Forever is that he cares what happens when people change the timeline. The original Guardian of Forever had a malevolent sort of apathy. It didn't matter to him, whatsoever, what someone did with the timeline. He was a superior being, but concepts like morality and justice were the concerns of mere mortals, concerns he wasn't designed to be bothered with.
alot can happen in the many thousands of years that has passed .....he tested her to see if she would try to do something evil and in the end she showed she wasnt the same person she was before that so he sent her before all of it began to start a new road .....to bad the show cant go on with her it would make a badass side show
You got all that from
@@daviddesjardins7751 yep and ive been a trekky all my life :P
That's what the Guardian was... then. A thousand years later, it grew. It evolved.
You think these hacks care about canon?
"I am the guardian of forever."
ICONIC
Looking forward to seeing Philippa in Section 31. BTW, in DS9's Mirror Universe episodes, the subjugated peoples were just as horrible as the Terrans. For example, Mirror Major Kira, was a bisexual nyphomaniac. And that was her good points. She was also murderous and sadistic. Poor Garak was reduced to kissing ass in both realities. 😛
Prime Garak would have them all killing each other, then make himself Emperor. The only ass Garak was kissing was probably Bashir, but the flirting, romancing, and chocolates fell on deaf ears.
This was an emotional moment for me. I almost cried. Ive never done that watching star trek. Emperor georgiou was an amazing character, well written, great development. Always mysterious, which left me wanting to see more. Always badass, always knowing she will save the day. I gotta say the scene where she fights the courier is amazing. I still think that scene is bad ass
Empress, not Emperor.
Have you watched The Visitor? If so, it's literally impossible not to tear up on your first viewing if you're a human being
She should have been director instead. That would have made it even better! A thought.
I feel like they could have used the transporters to exchange her atoms with the current universe' atoms. you had them create 2 rikers after all
That event is pure luck, when Riker is imprison by the Cardasian they tried to recreated it and away fails
That's like... A years-long process with less than 5% chances of success. Can't exchange the atoms immediately because it's replacing her body but what happens to the mind within the brain? Not to mention the quantum signatures of the matter that composes her is from the mirror universe. Exchanging that with atoms from the prime is simply asking like, "Hey resurrect prime Georgiou by turning the emperor into her."
Doesn't that apply to just using the transporter just once?
He wasn't testing whether she was worth saving. He was testing whether she'd fit back in to the mirror universe, which she absolutely wouldn't.
Many such adventures await you.. City on the Edge of Forever..
...well it's off to SECTION 31!
I count the days (years)...
2023
"Stargate" is actually inspired by Star Trek & the City on the Edge of Forever, as a child I saw that episode for the first time when my parents let me stay up late one night to watch this crazy new show that they both also watched, I was about 6 years old back in the day...
...yeah the day, way back in the groovy 60s in the UK. I have waited over half a century to hear those words again "I AM THE GUARDIAN OF FOREVER..."
STAR TREK is back, haters!!
I’m glad you like the show. This was a super cool character return with the perfect actor to play him!
Yup imagining believing that something is better just because it has things you already know...
Actually, buck Rogers “comics” have “space star gates” for spaceships...... the concept of gate-portal was conceived by writers before 1900s.
@@jimliu2560 Ok? Doesn't mean Stargate wasn't inspired by the Guardian of Forever.
Star Trek is mostly a Buck Rogers series updated to the late 60 competing with crews on SF ships like in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
Several episodes are lifted directly from Philip Nowlan novels (1920s) or the 30s Buck Rogers comics.
The Space Union of Planets and uniforms come from a kids series called "Rocky Jones" in the 50s and the setup is basically Forbidden Planet updated with a fleet of bigger saucer ships, with aliens discovered.
Did the Stargate movie in the 90s do it because of the set dresser mistakes in 1966 building City (it wasn't supposed to be a blinking rock doughnut)...i don't know.
However I doubt it as the Stargate didn't take you through time but space, as did the Jumpgates on B5 or the wormhole on DS9 the B5 knockoff.
The look maybe, but it also looks like Irwin Allen's Time Tunnel a very popular show in the late 60s that has been rebooted a dozen times with different names.
Shame the Guardian of Forever didn't mention his history with Spock.
He insulted Michael exactly the same way.
'You should really get up to speed with modern technology' 'My answer is simply as your level of understanding makes possible' :D :D :D
Watching Phillipa leave WAS very sad 😥 BUT expected!!!!!!!! Things have a way of working out and maybe she'll return IN her own unique way!!!!!!!!!! Wishing her lotsa GOOD luck!!!!!!!!!
Maybe at least a cameo for the final season or something, but at least, hopefully, we'll still get section 31...
I look forward to a CURE for STD -- like CANCELLATION!
"Weighed." This alludes to the Egyptian lore of Death and Judgement by Anubis. The dead's soul is weighed against a feather. If the soul is heavier than the feather, it is sent to their version of Hell. Otherwise, their version of Heaven. And Anubis is a pretty slick anthro Jackal, just don't hit him up on a date, kay?
Carl, "needed" to help the Emperor travel back, failing that as Dr. Kovich predicted., going out with a bang. DISCOVERY is a lynch pin in that timeline. It's needed right where it is, as Capt. Burnham.