It’s impressive how both, the scientist quickly came to the conclusion of what advaita says about non dual reality, and how swami understood the advanced scientific theory the scientist was talking about
Yes, I agree. Our quest is to see the uniqueness of each within the unity or non-duality. Comparison is based on separation or duality and if we don't see comparison and question it and see through it to the deeper view, comparison will prevent our seeing the uniqueness of each (the Swami and Don) within the One or Non-Dual Reality. And yet on the way to full realization, we can see these kind of comparisons as young minds (yet to be ripe, almost like children). One key here is the phrase "with all due respect"; respect literally means "to see again" and is said to be the first step toward the reality of love itself (not some sentimentality). Rumi said " Sentimentality is the greatest enemy of Love." Here is where self knowledge comes into play where we can feel and know what our experience is doing to us and question if it is pushing us out of alignment with the knowledge of non-duality that can anchor the energy of the reality of love. Thanks for your comment and I feel all this from me may be a bit too much and maybe lacking in respect in some way that I have not yet noticed. Such are the hazards of this life. Let us be well. @@kshitijmishra6293
Mate, this is never going to happen, the end goal is dissolve into reality and reality is absolutely unfathomable , there cannot be any crude pointers or expressions
Don Hoffman is a very advanced spiritual being 🙏. I feel that if he had someone like Ramana Maharishi even look at him, he'd just awaken to his true being and nature! I'm blown away by the words pouring out of his mouth 🙏
Thank you Swami. If spirituality is to continue we have to take this path. I’d be so lost without you. May that which we all bring you long life and health. 🙏🙏🙏
00:11 Exploration of Conscious Reality 02:47 Seeking to understand consciousness from scientific and religious perspectives. 07:35 Unconscious ingredients cannot boot up consciousness, triggering a scientific revolution. 09:57 Scientific theory integrating science and spirituality 14:48 We are not the body or the breath, but the conscious self 16:58 In Indian philosophy, the mind is considered an object and the experiencer is the subject. 21:05 Consciousness is a fundamental reality of the world 23:05 SpaceTime may not be the fundamental reality according to theoretical physicists. 27:04 Consciousness as the next fundamental reality beyond SpaceTime 29:01 Mathematically describing consciousness and its observation by other consciousnesses. 33:11 Ultimate Reality is all-pervasive, eternal, and non-object 35:15 Religion claims must be subjected to rigorous scientific tests. 39:17 Mathematics points to the unity of conscious agents. 41:24 Philosophies as pointers, not absolute truth 45:10 Reality is beyond any particular description, and perspective is useful for some things but not others. 47:17 Evolutionary theory suggests SpaceTime isn't fundamental 51:10 Ultimate Reality as Cosmic Mind 53:28 Consciousness projects itself as a cosmic mind, including all of our minds. 57:42 Consciousness as fundamental reality 59:40 Probability space points to non-dual fundamental reality 1:04:00 The limitations of reason in understanding unconditioned reality 1:06:14 Ultimate Reality persists even in the destruction of the universe. 1:10:19 Meditation can reveal Consciousness to itself 1:12:26 The Ultimate Reality is the shining reality that shines forth in various ways. 1:16:34 Developing a theory of consciousness outside of SpaceTime to make specific predictions inside SpaceTime. 1:18:26 Projecting consciousness dynamics onto decorated permutations outside of SpaceTime. 1:22:19 Scientific theories and spiritual insights are worth pursuing 1:24:31 Modern philosophy of mind has struggled for 300 years in two conflicting categories. 1:28:35 SpaceTime being doomed challenges current theories of consciousness. 1:30:39 Neuroscience is just an interface projection of something far more complicated outside of SpaceTime. 1:34:27 Differentiating between objective reality and our perceptions 1:36:29 Criterion of Truth is non-cancelability 1:40:28 Objects only exist when observed. 1:42:12 Perception creates the distinction between public and private objects 1:46:08 The ultimate reality is beyond concepts and language. 1:48:23 Indian philosophy involves further refinements of central insights 1:52:20 Consciousness and meditation lead to a first-person perspective 1:54:37 Body is just an avatar, influenced by evolution and illusions. 1:59:24 Distinction between illusion and reality in consciousness according to Swami Sarvapriyananda's anecdote 2:01:09 Don't identify with your avatar in the game. Respect your body but disidentify when needed. 2:04:34 Science shapes the world view of educated people, influencing acceptance of consciousness. 2:06:26 Quantum mechanics relates to biology and geology, despite complexity. 2:10:40 Serious physicists are exploring new structures outside of SpaceTime. 2:12:31 The theories on conscious experiences fail to explain even one conscious experience. 2:16:25 Science and philosophy have a history of cross talk and mutual influence. 2:18:32 The necessity of Grace from Guru and God in spirituality 2:22:43 Quantum mechanics needs an agent for description 2:24:25 Quantum mechanics is a description of the lack of information in spacetime. 2:28:24 Enlightened beings perceive deep sleep, death, and anesthesia as a presentation of nothing to Consciousness
I'm more thankful to Donald Hoffman. I watched Roger Penrose interviews and couldn't understand a thing. Then I watched a thirty minutes film on consciousness still couldn't understand. I understand consciousness from perspective of Vedanta but scientific perspective is revealed to me today.
Great Sanarhana Dharma Ambassador for the great Vedic traditions. A true example of what Advaitha vedantha takes every human being and appreciation of all perspectives as enunciated by Prof Hoffman. Great to see such intellectual discussions.
An absolutely fascinating conversation where intellectual humility is shining through the speakers. The headset analogy was brilliant and I wish Don and his team the very best in their scientific quest to establish a new paradigm beyond space time. My pranams to Swamiji for his wonderful insights as always and thank you to the organisers for setting this up.
Dear Swami & Don, . Thanks for this wonderful conversation, absolute delight. Let me quickly introduce myself & come to the question that Don has raised why the absolute consciousness bliss projects as many. . I'm an unborn soul but this body (Avatar) was born on 6-12-1992, at the same time Prabhu Ram was awaken in Ayodhya, we are the royal decents of Ikshwaku lineage. These titles might be less interesting but what interesting is my answer to the question of Don from the point of view of a PhD student from Imperial college London in materials department working on the quantum carbon dots & functional material Graphene. Due to maya’s grace, I have been the student of Swami Sarvapriyanand for almost a decade, which he might be aware of. So by bowing to my Guru Sarvapriyanand let me answer the 2 questions that Don have raised, which are really good questions! Plus add on that I do wrote Sanskrit poetry & I am a mystic. An interesting experience I would share at the end of my answers that when I was writing the Hindi poem on Indra Jaal, which basically means the reality headset & it's rendering, what Don has been speaking about. Plus, GTA Grand Theft Auto Five player & fan. . Why many? The absolute truth is one, & there is no doubt about it. This has been my experience & reading Aparokshanubhuti, Yogavashita, Bhagavat Gita, even John’s Bible, where Jesus is pointing at the same truth which is one ground of god. Why? And I mean why many? The mathematical answer would be in geometry a circle centre can be reached through infinite points, because in 2πr which is the circumference of the circle π is an irrational number (3.14159….). . As swami has said it's the nature of consciousness to illumine so this question can't be answer, & question itself presumes the many. It is like asking the question why the existence of this universe is? Well that which has caused everything has no cause, which is is shining sat-chit-ananda. . Yet, when the Nirgun Bramhan (formless) becomes Sagun Bramhan, means when the formless forms, this exact moment in time itself, when the time asymmetry starts. In simple words, when Shiva visions the Shakti. We have to imagine absolute one then to be able to see a reflection. Shakti has been called the shadow of Shiva, when the time reversal happens, the entropy must halt for a brief moment & afterwards the enthalpy increases, until next time reversal happens. This has been mentioned by the Great Poet Panini centuries ago in the Shiva Stotra. . Shruti says Maya is projected to the Hiranyagarbha (literal translation the gold belly; Avatar)! Here the contrast comes into the play & logic begins. Before this step there is no contract, hence logical enquiry ‘why’ becomes inadequate. . Yet more interesting answer for Don, the same question that Don has raised if answered at the absolute second stage of creation, when the reality head set GTA avatar sees the first contrast, exactly here Hiranyagarbha & Maya exists in unity. Then next question, why so many? Then, the question can be answered. The word Maya means the loving one, which is the female aspect of creation & let’s say procreation. That which is projected in front of us is nothing but Maya. She is the absolute divinity, who is kinder that the kindest. Die Kinder is her life. Kinder is a German word for the kid. She is absolutely ready to render any for her kinder to have all the experience what the kinder wishes to render in the reality headset, yet she suffer when the kinder suffer, because Maya is all pervasive & Maya is Sarvadnya, Maya knows everything. Maya is the divine mother, Maya wants kinder to have everything what kinder wishes for, that is why so many! ‘Many’ are due to Maya’s grace, love, & great great kind divine eyes. Swami Sarvapriyanand, Swami Vivekananda, & our guru Paramahansa all would agree on this, it is due to Maya. Maya wants the Avatar to take charge of the absolute rendering & to reach beyond the contrast. . The next question Dan raised, Why suffering? Why cheap headset? To answer this we have to be in the shoes of a parent. Parental Mother (Maya) punish kinder to show that the rendering won't bring any good later; the suffering is one part of Maya’s reward system. This is alike a sensitive parental divinity communicating with kinder grade, teenage kid, 31 year man, & so forth. This is alike the 98 years old queen Elizabeth (who saw her parents in the heave). Maya wants us to focus on good absolutely, which will bring the kinder Ananda. The vision of duality makes all suffer. Maya wants to guide us to the self enquiry that we are that absolute Bramhan; sat-chit-ananda (avatar). ‘Bra’ in Sanskrit is to expand. . Now that I have answered the 2 beautiful questions, which Don have raised. Let me give you an insight into what Maya is! How she works with a poem, that I have written couple of days ago. . Poem "the story of Indra Jāl", here in this poem, I touched Mayajal too, which is Maya’s rendered net. We have to understand that the poet is very emotionally sensitive, with great intensity he feels first; then poet puts the feelings into the composition. The word intensity is important here, intensity of what? Intensity of Bhava Shatki. ‘Bhava’ means to feel & ‘Shakti’ means power; so again Shakti is often coined as the Maya. Now let me come to the story of Indra Jāl. I wrote this poem in Hindi, which is already pasted bellow. For Hindi readers: just go ahead & for English readers: the extract of the poem is given just afterwards. ये कहानी है इन्द्रजाल की बुनते तुटते मायाजालं सी हर जाल में फँसा ख़्वाब पर बुनते ख़्वाब में लाचार सी . एक मकडी थी कंकाल सी तुटे जाल में फसी संसार सी खा गयी हर भोग चुनिंदा पर आज खुद लटकती दिवारसी . एक मकडी थी कंकाल सी पिछे छोड गयी ख्वाब ६८० जाल बुना अमर इंद्रजाल पर परवा ना की कभी परवाने की . ये कहानी है इन्द्रजाल की गौर से जला ये जाल ग़ालिब गौर से जला ये जाल ग़ालिब चंदन कर जाऽलकड़ी काली आली आली आली काली . - कवये पुष्पहास . हिन्दी संदर्भः परवाना = insect, moth . आली = उच्च, मान्य, नम (नम = करुणामय) . I clean my house daily, swami said keep everything clean & tidy, this will help you in the spiritual progress. The mirror has to be clean to able to see the Bramhan. So to my surprise, I saw a spider net at the corner of the wall. I couldn't find the spider but I could see the net broken & left behind. Immediately an advaitin poet visualised this poem; how we create this world (sansara) which is like this spider net, which has existed before this body, it will exist after this body, what we need to focus on is that we are the creator of this net just like the spider; hence shouldn’t feel trapped about our existence. Our true nature is limitless, consciousness, bliss, this roughly translates to Sat-Chit-Ānanda. . I hope this long note has answered the questions, which Don has raised. At least it gives a perspective of an Indian born Advaitin & British learned material scientist. Thanks for your attention & absolute pleasure to see swami ji with Don, or lets say with Dawn (Sandhya Kaal). Sri Matrey Namaha. . - Sri Anvesh Dattaram Rajeshirke
Swami vivekanand was one of the greatest saint born in world. His one speech in Chicago destined the whole youth of India, his one speech regain the concious spiritual freedom of mind of Indian which was in deep state of coma before the incident.
Advaita Vedanta is by far a superior explanation of consciousness than anything i have ever found. The professor seems to want to introduce his ideas as being unique in some aspects. In some of the professors talks/videos he seems to ignore that it was ancient knowledge/wisdom, mainly ancient India, that have, with utter completeness, explained consciousness in all its intricacies.
I would not get into comparison and judge who is superior...nope! Both their journeys are unique and have their place. The human world is enriched with all... comparison is so counterproductive. Comparison and passing judgement immediately puts us in quite a 'limited' scope of being able to absorb all points of view...then take what works for us...
45:1548:00 👏Suffering from the arrow of time and space while the Ultimate Reality is beyond the headset of time and space 49:28 54:25 55:30 Ultimate Reality is not causally linked with the universe but acts as a Catalyst/Source of Power for the suffering[processes and experience ] to occur in time and space 1:01:45 👏 1:05:25 1:08:00 👏 Be naked of ignorance of own fundamental nature by shedding all ideas,concepts etc 1:10:30 Patanjali v Advaita 1:11:50 Not the physical body but the inner Being has taken form called avatar? 1:40:00 End of the quest 1:49:30 🙏 2:01:00 Amazing words of wisdom 2:10:30 "why space-time is doomed" reference 2:24:00 👏
I appreciate Don here a lot, it takes humility to be open minded and this has bee an absolute pleasure listening to him and Swamiji as always is such a great communicator.
Whats interesting about the discussions about the headset and the planck scale, in particular the question that Andy brought up, is that the existence of the planck scale suggests that, much like a game being played in a vr headset, that what we percieve to be a fluid reality of movement around us is in fact pixellated. If there is a limit to how small a unit can be measured, then that must be reflected in how space/time operates, ie. a pixellated reality. Similar to how there is no movement in a movie on a screen - what we percieve as fluid movement is simply a series of still images played in rapid succession. Its fascinating how well the headset analogy can describe a non-dual reality, both spiritually and scientifically. An excellent conversation. Thank you Swamiji and Prof. Hoffman.
So, Ultimate Reality is not causally linked to this Universe. WOW! That is one of the greatest statements I have ever heard and boy, does that make sense! Thank you so much, Swami (Thousands of other questions now arise, but, in a sense, they no longer matter!) 🙏
It is fascinating that Swamiji and Vedanta is able to answer the questions posed by top scientists. 🕉️ And respect for the scientist for being so polite. Really knowledigble.. 🕉️
Remarkable that at the limit of science and philosophy, or just beyond both, lies an awe-inspiring singular, phenomenological Reality. Thank you both for this amazing exchange.
Very nice and amazing 👏 👌 conversion between the 2 greatest personality 👌 On one hand there is philosophy and on the other hand science and the these two theories are given us the clarity about the 2 fields.. Very interesting and very thoughtful and insightful discussion.. Thoroughly enjoyed the talk.. The central quest for the suffering, Mind and Consciousness and so on..🙏🙏
No… the swami guy is also a scientist … not a philosopher.. science means to observe experiments and record the results.. he does that using his body and his mind.. not a lab..
We really underestimate the extent of suffering contained in samsara. Imagine the cycle of birth and death for billions of years of earth's evolutionary history even before the appearance of humans. Our ethics should be suffering focussed and our moral circle should expand to all sentient creatures.
Great insights from both end.. we need to listen to more such cross talks to understand the deeper truth lying inside everything.. Thank you both of you for the wisdom you share with us ❤🙏 my sincere respect to both of you 😇😇🙏
I found Vedanta by luck replaced by curiosity, Swami Sarvapriyananda 🙏eloquence is nectar to soul explained, my pedestrian Samadi experience (time was-is off clock in practice of Hatha yoga, meditation (Jon kabat Zin style). The Joy unparalleled, unexplainable, indescribable - unconditional LOVE x10, … Science is apart of experience, data, chart, crack the code, CONSCIOUSNESS is here. Will science feel? Will it, could it put into code feeling, the veil, fragile yet imperturbable effervescent expansive experience of … Unconditional Love, Nature, Presence of Devine oneness ..
Great discourse! The issue I feel with the scientific approach, is to pin things down for greater clarity and yet we know, pinning anything on paper, in theory is limiting and valid till someone else comes along and overwrites the theory... But that is also fine.. We need to hold on, then let go and that is perhaps how we evolve... 🙏
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Indeed very informative and interesting talk. Thank you all for the participation as this discussion gives another angle(s) to mature on the the subject. Not everything can be explained by science. Institution plays a part, I believe and one can grow and mature to "stabilize" in the wisdom. My sincere thanks for the same.
The Truth is One, the wise speak of it in different ways..the wise formulate newer pointers, theories or better ways. The debate or vaad in olden times prevented violence during times of difference of opinion
Wonderful conversation, You are doing a great service towards Sanatana Dharma. Even I'm trying my bit to propagate the Sanskrit language through *my Channel* *Samskrutam* which would help learn simple Sanskrit words through English used in day to day life.
Regarding how we experience objects as separate, but Vedanta collapses object into subject so that you understand there's only one reality being experienced as subject and object... I think any theory on reality could be formulated to explain waking existence .. however, the bigger insight is if it has something to say about the paranormal.. like, physical mediumship (Franek Kluski, DD Home, Joseph of Cupertino, Katie the Gold Leaf Lady , Kathleen Goligher , Rudi Schneider, Ariel Farias , Rudi SchneiderKai Mügge , Eusapia Palladino, Scole Experiments, etc), Reincarnation, premonition, remote-viewing/astral-projection, etc.
Great conversation. I am perplexed to understand and agree there could be consciousness agents and mind and buddies are few important aspects. But consciousness is the base for those agents as well and I tend to think still consciousness is pure existence on which any thing new to be discovered or formulated models will still be object to fundamental existence.
Keep your Regionalism up your, you know where.. Ganguly changed Indian team but kapil Dev and dhoni won world cups..so haryanvi and Rajputs are as good as you
The Ecstatic State determines the brain chemistry, Spirit is the true home of the Soul, The Macrocosm secretes the Microcosm, Turiya and the Dreamless State, being suspended over the Void. . . is bringing home the Dimension of Art, the Alchemy of the Thrice Born . . .Mercury.
No scientific conclusion can be drawn on any enquiry towards reality or scientific process unless the observer is known. Unless this datum is considered any modern scientific process will remain incomplete.
Aloha I have 2 questions that are polar opposite but relevant. 1. Is consciousness which is fundamental, awareness? 2. Is the earth a firmament? Basically a dome ? Any insights from Advita Vedanta and in science
1. Yes, precisely, imagine a screen and the movie projection on it, the screen is the consciousness and the movie played out is illusionary, consciousness is real, all others that are merely playing out are mirages, so basically we need to transcend the illusionary plane and there are tools too in philosophies like science where we can accomplish the real 2) Yes, human birth is special and we are surely capable of realizing the absolute, yes in certain sense Earth may be considered a dome and it facilitates progression to reality, thank you
@@rajkamalipm thanks for the reply , I would imagine that we are the light the produces the image on the screen also I would offer , to be just the light , awareness, would constitute becoming awake
What if after knowing its just an avtar I lose motivation to protect it and lose interest in playing the game well and am like its ok to lose the headphones..anyway it doesn't matter..in that case is it even safe or necessary to know this for playing the game successfully? Identifying with the avatar makes u play better but knowing its just an avtar may look like it helps to enjoy the game better..rather for some it can make them lose interest in it.😢
Can you please have Physicist Tom Campbell for a discussion with Swamiji..his My Big TOE is vedanta just with very different metophors..also he probably is only scientist who has had out of body experiences sunce childhood and came up with theory from his own experiences which perfectly fits with vedanta
Swamiji, is the local realism coined here is vyavaharika sath6am in Advaiha vedantha though Sri Goudapatha Acharya asks to ignore that also as non reality.
Science however it might try can never find out about consciousness because science is limited to sensory perception/inference (even most sophisticated AI) where as Truth is beyond perception but simply exists as in deep sleep.
In the end, it is not ONLY nondual, And the reason this conversation kinda falls off there is because the concept of Ishvara, Narayana is being discarded. On a way, with the gold and golden ornaments You are seeing a room full of cups, all thr cups are white, and so you are saying there is no cups there is only white. So you are discarding the cups. While discarding the ornaments is a thing, and lead to sanjuya mukti, ... Akin to at death merging into Brahman effulgence... like eternally being in a distinctionless deep sleep. There are other forms of liberation. And in all other forms, one retains their individuality. One should not discard the 2nd or any other chapter of the Bhagavad-gita. Nor should the Comments of Sankaracharya about Krsna and Narayana be discarded
So let me explain. You go to sleep, and you dream. In the dream there are many beings who are all apart of you.. but you do not know it. The misstep is taken by Advaitas when they believe they are the "dreamer". But they are not.. the dreamer is Narayana. And Krsna has guaranteed that one never looses their individuality. So "you" the awareness does never become destroyed. You are part of the nondual substance that is the dream. But you are NOT the entire nondual substance. You are part and parcel of the nondual substance. Jiva atman. And not only from Krsna are there one universe.. one yoga Nidra Narayana, but there are "Unlimited universes" With unlimited Narayana mirror like the sun in the sky is mirrored into all of the puddles of water on earth. The material nature is a "mirror" of this Parabrahman. You cannot say that the Parabrahman does not have individuality, because everything that has emerged is part of it. If you have individuality, it has individuality as well. It is a "person"
@naveenreddy6245 Advaita is seeking to "go back" into the unified dream energy. Vasishtha Advaita, and Achinta Bheda Abheda , are seeking to come out of the Dream and become real.
@naveenreddy6245 it is both dual and nondual Not only nondual Advaita is saying there is no difference between a cup of water and the ocean of water. But that is not true, the ocean can produce tsunamis, storms ect ect. Yes they are both H20 , but they are vastly different. So yes I accept the nondual nature, and even have had experience of it. But I also accept the dual nature, these things are clearly explained by Sri Krsna in Bhagavad-gita
Self realized "Enlightened" Buddha", understood the entire universal phenomena on how conscious energies behave, designs with help of universal elements, which human six sensory aggregates perceptions , eye, ear, nose, tongue, body (touch), & mind feeling senses. call subjects physical universes as objects, amalgamate & generate to a energy which will produce a " thought" become a life energies ( kamma } as conscious in 31 realms of existence in this solar system. Within " qualities " of kamma (conscious ) energy forms. According to Lord Buddha, Human form is unique of all other forms, because of completed "Human Brain" which capable to enlightenment . In this very Human life. In Theravada Buddhism. 1000000 to one Second chance is very minimum and rare to gain a Human life. Factor of ." Kammic " phenomena Abhidhamma, Thrirpitaka, dipendent origination ( patichcha-samuppada ) scriptures explains in authentic Buddhas' teachings.
If mathematics is so limited that it can't define the taste of chocolate experience how could it describe consciosness? One is also a number. It is mathematical. It is an object. Everywhere, everytime. So it belongs to space and time. And so you can't describe the undescribable. Not even with math. On the Vedanta part: "eternal" and "everywhere" are still concepts of time and space. Also it is very popular to say that all religions point to the same point but it is not true as they were constructed by people mainly for political, control purposes. Relegions are further headsets. The explanation of the wrongness of the why question is on spot though! 😃 Yes, non-dual consciousness is the fundamental. One can't describe this with matematics from the avatar level.
at 49.33 I already was thinking of why is there this projection? and then Donald Hoffman goes why this cheaper 4 dimentinal headset ...hahahaha awesome. So i am also thinking why the thought arises ? Desire seems fundamental.. as there would be no creation or projection withouth desires. Is desire a fundamental quality of consiousness? just like intelligence looks like a fundamental quality of consiousness. How can something withouth desire go on creating this endless physical reality?
"Anand" is the fundamental reality and quality of that consciousness. Everything we do is to get "Anand" because nobody can live a moment without doing karm and that karm we do is to get Anand. Consciousness is nothing but ANAND.😮 Disclaimer --since i am devoted to the dwait vedanta so my use of the world consciousness means "the supreme consciousness"
so u are saying consiousness is ananda? if so does it mean it projects or creates maya? maya is a result of ananda or desire? that is what i am trying to know. How can u say what you say with so much conviction? @@vedprakashtiwari6438
What I don't get is that is there were only one ego, and it woke up to its nature with the Buddha or others, then would that not have ended the maya for everyone, since it would have been revealed that there is no more egoity? What, if anything, changed by virtue of the first realizer, for the rest of humanity/egoity? Also, why can I enter dreams at night, but never during the day, if both are dreams?
If in Bharat {India} through 5000 years ago there were people who realized & spread the word of Enlightenment why in 2600/ 3000 years ago, Bodhisattva Gothama Siddhartha went to seek the universal truth? After realizing Enlightenment, the Buddha understood "four Noble Truths, the "base was "CONSCIOUS ENERGY", which design Life, in 31 realms in our solar system & entire endless Universe. Before Gothama Siddhartha's Enlightenment his last teachers were practicing Hinduism in "Sanskrit language " Five atheistic, who with Hindu practice couldn't attain "Enlightenment ". After Enlightenment Lord Buddha selected to preach his theology {Dhamma } in "marghadee sound language" which later written in "pela dhahama" " pali" it was pure sinhala language. In Lanka dweepa. { Jambudweepa } In Buddha Dhamma "patichch-samuppada " explains how process happening Human condition & other universal beings. Reply
When you start with consciousness, the words stop, looklike can't say anything, loosing sense. It is nothing and everything at same time. Like swami said, just indicationS.
His experience is machine like because his experience is only limited to the mechanical aspect of life .. thinking and intellect. He just applied it to something more than eating and reproducing..
@@Sakshi_WitnessWell actually there are three. The only difference is the other two are the shakti of "first one"(the shaktiman) and shaktiman and sakti has bhedabhed relationship that means the other two are as well as not the first one(the supreme consciousness)
@@Sakshi_Witness Haha I see what you did there. Technically though, 'first' implies 'second' and 'third'. This is why we say "non-dual" or "not two", instead of just saying "one" - because 'one' implies 'two'
It’s impressive how both, the scientist quickly came to the conclusion of what advaita says about non dual reality, and how swami understood the advanced scientific theory the scientist was talking about
Great conversation....No doubt that Swami Sarvapriyananda Maharaj will be our present living Swami Vivekananda 💐🙏🙇💕
With all due respect to both, I think we should not compare.
@@kshitijmishra6293Absolutely💯😊😅😮😢🎉😂❤, Agree to you.
Nobody can replace Swami Vivekananda, beleive me nobody can
Yes, I agree. Our quest is to see the uniqueness of each within the unity or non-duality. Comparison is based on separation or duality and if we don't see comparison and question it and see through it to the deeper view, comparison will prevent our seeing the uniqueness of each (the Swami and Don) within the One or Non-Dual Reality. And yet on the way to full realization, we can see these kind of comparisons as young minds (yet to be ripe, almost like children). One key here is the phrase "with all due respect"; respect literally means "to see again" and is said to be the first step toward the reality of love itself (not some sentimentality). Rumi said " Sentimentality is the greatest enemy of Love." Here is where self knowledge comes into play where we can feel and know what our experience is doing to us and question if it is pushing us out of alignment with the knowledge of non-duality that can anchor the energy of the reality of love. Thanks for your comment and I feel all this from me may be a bit too much and maybe lacking in respect in some way that I have not yet noticed. Such are the hazards of this life. Let us be well. @@kshitijmishra6293
Woah! Calm down 😀
The awakening of convergence is finally happening.
Mate, this is never going to happen, the end goal is dissolve into reality and reality is absolutely unfathomable , there cannot be any crude pointers or expressions
Don Hoffman is a very advanced spiritual being 🙏. I feel that if he had someone like Ramana Maharishi even look at him, he'd just awaken to his true being and nature! I'm blown away by the words pouring out of his mouth 🙏
Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Thank you Swami. If spirituality is to continue we have to take this path. I’d be so lost without you. May that which we all bring you long life and health. 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks Donald Huffman🙏🏼
THE ULTIMATE REALITY: "We are the pure consciousness experiencing itself as the Universe."🌠🙏
Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna
00:11 Exploration of Conscious Reality
02:47 Seeking to understand consciousness from scientific and religious perspectives.
07:35 Unconscious ingredients cannot boot up consciousness, triggering a scientific revolution.
09:57 Scientific theory integrating science and spirituality
14:48 We are not the body or the breath, but the conscious self
16:58 In Indian philosophy, the mind is considered an object and the experiencer is the subject.
21:05 Consciousness is a fundamental reality of the world
23:05 SpaceTime may not be the fundamental reality according to theoretical physicists.
27:04 Consciousness as the next fundamental reality beyond SpaceTime
29:01 Mathematically describing consciousness and its observation by other consciousnesses.
33:11 Ultimate Reality is all-pervasive, eternal, and non-object
35:15 Religion claims must be subjected to rigorous scientific tests.
39:17 Mathematics points to the unity of conscious agents.
41:24 Philosophies as pointers, not absolute truth
45:10 Reality is beyond any particular description, and perspective is useful for some things but not others.
47:17 Evolutionary theory suggests SpaceTime isn't fundamental
51:10 Ultimate Reality as Cosmic Mind
53:28 Consciousness projects itself as a cosmic mind, including all of our minds.
57:42 Consciousness as fundamental reality
59:40 Probability space points to non-dual fundamental reality
1:04:00 The limitations of reason in understanding unconditioned reality
1:06:14 Ultimate Reality persists even in the destruction of the universe.
1:10:19 Meditation can reveal Consciousness to itself
1:12:26 The Ultimate Reality is the shining reality that shines forth in various ways.
1:16:34 Developing a theory of consciousness outside of SpaceTime to make specific predictions inside SpaceTime.
1:18:26 Projecting consciousness dynamics onto decorated permutations outside of SpaceTime.
1:22:19 Scientific theories and spiritual insights are worth pursuing
1:24:31 Modern philosophy of mind has struggled for 300 years in two conflicting categories.
1:28:35 SpaceTime being doomed challenges current theories of consciousness.
1:30:39 Neuroscience is just an interface projection of something far more complicated outside of SpaceTime.
1:34:27 Differentiating between objective reality and our perceptions
1:36:29 Criterion of Truth is non-cancelability
1:40:28 Objects only exist when observed.
1:42:12 Perception creates the distinction between public and private objects
1:46:08 The ultimate reality is beyond concepts and language.
1:48:23 Indian philosophy involves further refinements of central insights
1:52:20 Consciousness and meditation lead to a first-person perspective
1:54:37 Body is just an avatar, influenced by evolution and illusions.
1:59:24 Distinction between illusion and reality in consciousness according to Swami Sarvapriyananda's anecdote
2:01:09 Don't identify with your avatar in the game. Respect your body but disidentify when needed.
2:04:34 Science shapes the world view of educated people, influencing acceptance of consciousness.
2:06:26 Quantum mechanics relates to biology and geology, despite complexity.
2:10:40 Serious physicists are exploring new structures outside of SpaceTime.
2:12:31 The theories on conscious experiences fail to explain even one conscious experience.
2:16:25 Science and philosophy have a history of cross talk and mutual influence.
2:18:32 The necessity of Grace from Guru and God in spirituality
2:22:43 Quantum mechanics needs an agent for description
2:24:25 Quantum mechanics is a description of the lack of information in spacetime.
2:28:24 Enlightened beings perceive deep sleep, death, and anesthesia as a presentation of nothing to Consciousness
Thank you Swami Sarvapriyanandaji Maharaj 🙏🏻Donald Hoffman sir 🙏🏻
Vedanta Society of New York 🙏🏻
I'm more thankful to Donald Hoffman.
I watched Roger Penrose interviews and couldn't understand a thing.
Then I watched a thirty minutes film on consciousness still couldn't understand.
I understand consciousness from perspective of Vedanta but scientific perspective is revealed to me today.
Great Sanarhana Dharma Ambassador for the great Vedic traditions. A true example of what Advaitha vedantha takes every human being and appreciation of all perspectives as enunciated by Prof Hoffman. Great to see such intellectual discussions.
Pranaam Swami Saravpriyananda ji
An absolutely fascinating conversation where intellectual humility is shining through the speakers. The headset analogy was brilliant and I wish Don and his team the very best in their scientific quest to establish a new paradigm beyond space time. My pranams to Swamiji for his wonderful insights as always and thank you to the organisers for setting this up.
Wonderfully said thank you 💎🙏🏽✨
Pronaams!🙏; Greetings!🙏; And Namashkaars to all!🙏
Swami needs more podcasts appearances. Imagine him on JRE
I just finished the talk. I am blown away. THANK YOU
Dear Swami & Don,
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Thanks for this wonderful conversation, absolute delight. Let me quickly introduce myself & come to the question that Don has raised why the absolute consciousness bliss projects as many.
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I'm an unborn soul but this body (Avatar) was born on 6-12-1992, at the same time Prabhu Ram was awaken in Ayodhya, we are the royal decents of Ikshwaku lineage. These titles might be less interesting but what interesting is my answer to the question of Don from the point of view of a PhD student from Imperial college London in materials department working on the quantum carbon dots & functional material Graphene. Due to maya’s grace, I have been the student of Swami Sarvapriyanand for almost a decade, which he might be aware of. So by bowing to my Guru Sarvapriyanand let me answer the 2 questions that Don have raised, which are really good questions! Plus add on that I do wrote Sanskrit poetry & I am a mystic. An interesting experience I would share at the end of my answers that when I was writing the Hindi poem on Indra Jaal, which basically means the reality headset & it's rendering, what Don has been speaking about. Plus, GTA Grand Theft Auto Five player & fan.
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Why many?
The absolute truth is one, & there is no doubt about it. This has been my experience & reading Aparokshanubhuti, Yogavashita, Bhagavat Gita, even John’s Bible, where Jesus is pointing at the same truth which is one ground of god. Why? And I mean why many? The mathematical answer would be in geometry a circle centre can be reached through infinite points, because in 2πr which is the circumference of the circle π is an irrational number (3.14159….).
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As swami has said it's the nature of consciousness to illumine so this question can't be answer, & question itself presumes the many. It is like asking the question why the existence of this universe is? Well that which has caused everything has no cause, which is is shining sat-chit-ananda.
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Yet, when the Nirgun Bramhan (formless) becomes Sagun Bramhan, means when the formless forms, this exact moment in time itself, when the time asymmetry starts. In simple words, when Shiva visions the Shakti. We have to imagine absolute one then to be able to see a reflection. Shakti has been called the shadow of Shiva, when the time reversal happens, the entropy must halt for a brief moment & afterwards the enthalpy increases, until next time reversal happens. This has been mentioned by the Great Poet Panini centuries ago in the Shiva Stotra.
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Shruti says Maya is projected to the Hiranyagarbha (literal translation the gold belly; Avatar)! Here the contrast comes into the play & logic begins. Before this step there is no contract, hence logical enquiry ‘why’ becomes inadequate.
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Yet more interesting answer for Don, the same question that Don has raised if answered at the absolute second stage of creation, when the reality head set GTA avatar sees the first contrast, exactly here Hiranyagarbha & Maya exists in unity. Then next question, why so many? Then, the question can be answered. The word Maya means the loving one, which is the female aspect of creation & let’s say procreation. That which is projected in front of us is nothing but Maya. She is the absolute divinity, who is kinder that the kindest. Die Kinder is her life. Kinder is a German word for the kid. She is absolutely ready to render any for her kinder to have all the experience what the kinder wishes to render in the reality headset, yet she suffer when the kinder suffer, because Maya is all pervasive & Maya is Sarvadnya, Maya knows everything. Maya is the divine mother, Maya wants kinder to have everything what kinder wishes for, that is why so many! ‘Many’ are due to Maya’s grace, love, & great great kind divine eyes. Swami Sarvapriyanand, Swami Vivekananda, & our guru Paramahansa all would agree on this, it is due to Maya. Maya wants the Avatar to take charge of the absolute rendering & to reach beyond the contrast.
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The next question Dan raised,
Why suffering? Why cheap headset?
To answer this we have to be in the shoes of a parent. Parental Mother (Maya) punish kinder to show that the rendering won't bring any good later; the suffering is one part of Maya’s reward system. This is alike a sensitive parental divinity communicating with kinder grade, teenage kid, 31 year man, & so forth. This is alike the 98 years old queen Elizabeth (who saw her parents in the heave). Maya wants us to focus on good absolutely, which will bring the kinder Ananda. The vision of duality makes all suffer. Maya wants to guide us to the self enquiry that we are that absolute Bramhan; sat-chit-ananda (avatar). ‘Bra’ in Sanskrit is to expand.
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Now that I have answered the 2 beautiful questions, which Don have raised. Let me give you an insight into what Maya is! How she works with a poem, that I have written couple of days ago.
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Poem "the story of Indra Jāl", here in this poem, I touched Mayajal too, which is Maya’s rendered net. We have to understand that the poet is very emotionally sensitive, with great intensity he feels first; then poet puts the feelings into the composition. The word intensity is important here, intensity of what? Intensity of Bhava Shatki. ‘Bhava’ means to feel & ‘Shakti’ means power; so again Shakti is often coined as the Maya. Now let me come to the story of Indra Jāl. I wrote this poem in Hindi, which is already pasted bellow.
For Hindi readers: just go ahead & for English readers: the extract of the poem is given just afterwards.
ये कहानी है इन्द्रजाल की
बुनते तुटते मायाजालं सी
हर जाल में फँसा ख़्वाब पर
बुनते ख़्वाब में लाचार सी
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एक मकडी थी कंकाल सी
तुटे जाल में फसी संसार सी
खा गयी हर भोग चुनिंदा पर
आज खुद लटकती दिवारसी
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एक मकडी थी कंकाल सी
पिछे छोड गयी ख्वाब ६८०
जाल बुना अमर इंद्रजाल पर
परवा ना की कभी परवाने की
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ये कहानी है इन्द्रजाल की
गौर से जला ये जाल ग़ालिब
गौर से जला ये जाल ग़ालिब
चंदन कर जाऽलकड़ी काली
आली आली आली काली
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- कवये पुष्पहास
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हिन्दी संदर्भः परवाना = insect, moth
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आली = उच्च, मान्य, नम (नम = करुणामय)
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I clean my house daily, swami said keep everything clean & tidy, this will help you in the spiritual progress. The mirror has to be clean to able to see the Bramhan. So to my surprise, I saw a spider net at the corner of the wall. I couldn't find the spider but I could see the net broken & left behind. Immediately an advaitin poet visualised this poem; how we create this world (sansara) which is like this spider net, which has existed before this body, it will exist after this body, what we need to focus on is that we are the creator of this net just like the spider; hence shouldn’t feel trapped about our existence. Our true nature is limitless, consciousness, bliss, this roughly translates to Sat-Chit-Ānanda.
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I hope this long note has answered the questions, which Don has raised. At least it gives a perspective of an Indian born Advaitin & British learned material scientist. Thanks for your attention & absolute pleasure to see swami ji with Don, or lets say with Dawn (Sandhya Kaal).
Sri Matrey Namaha.
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- Sri Anvesh Dattaram Rajeshirke
After listening the conversation only one thing I will say,, Gyaan Yoga in its peak.
Pranam Swami ji 🙏🏼
Pranaam🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Swami vivekanand was one of the greatest saint born in world. His one speech in Chicago destined the whole youth of India, his one speech regain the concious spiritual freedom of mind of Indian which was in deep state of coma before the incident.
Advaita Vedanta is by far a superior explanation of consciousness than anything i have ever found. The professor seems to want to introduce his ideas as being unique in some aspects. In some of the professors talks/videos he seems to ignore that it was ancient knowledge/wisdom, mainly ancient India, that have, with utter completeness, explained consciousness in all its intricacies.
Just because its ancient we have to accept it?
@@JohnSmith-sl6eg who's asking you to accept it
@@JohnSmith-sl6egthere is explanation and debate open. So you probe and realise it. It is not dogma to accept.but for you to realize .
I would not get into comparison and judge who is superior...nope! Both their journeys are unique and have their place. The human world is enriched with all... comparison is so counterproductive. Comparison and passing judgement immediately puts us in quite a 'limited' scope of being able to absorb all points of view...then take what works for us...
@@JohnSmith-sl6egwesterns like to repackage and take credit.
45:15 48:00 👏Suffering from the arrow of time and space while the Ultimate Reality is beyond the headset of time and space 49:28
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55:30 Ultimate Reality is not causally linked with the universe but acts as a Catalyst/Source of Power for the suffering[processes and experience ] to occur in time and space
1:01:45 👏
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1:08:00 👏 Be naked of ignorance of own fundamental nature by shedding all ideas,concepts etc
1:10:30 Patanjali v Advaita
1:11:50 Not the physical body but the inner Being has taken form called avatar?
1:40:00 End of the quest
1:49:30 🙏
2:01:00 Amazing words of wisdom
2:10:30 "why space-time is doomed" reference
2:24:00 👏
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I appreciate Don here a lot, it takes humility to be open minded and this has bee an absolute pleasure listening to him and Swamiji as always is such a great communicator.
Whats interesting about the discussions about the headset and the planck scale, in particular the question that Andy brought up, is that the existence of the planck scale suggests that, much like a game being played in a vr headset, that what we percieve to be a fluid reality of movement around us is in fact pixellated. If there is a limit to how small a unit can be measured, then that must be reflected in how space/time operates, ie. a pixellated reality. Similar to how there is no movement in a movie on a screen - what we percieve as fluid movement is simply a series of still images played in rapid succession.
Its fascinating how well the headset analogy can describe a non-dual reality, both spiritually and scientifically.
An excellent conversation. Thank you Swamiji and Prof. Hoffman.
So, Ultimate Reality is not causally linked to this Universe. WOW! That is one of the greatest statements I have ever heard and boy, does that make sense! Thank you so much, Swami
(Thousands of other questions now arise, but, in a sense, they no longer matter!)
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Pranam Swamiji
It is fascinating that Swamiji and Vedanta is able to answer the questions posed by top scientists. 🕉️
And respect for the scientist for being so polite. Really knowledigble.. 🕉️
Remarkable that at the limit of science and philosophy, or just beyond both, lies an awe-inspiring singular, phenomenological Reality. Thank you both for this amazing exchange.
PRONAM Maharaj 🌹🙏🙏🙏🌹
Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Thanks for this video.....two spiritual and scientific beings, giant human beings, together. This is pure gold.
Very nice and amazing 👏 👌 conversion between the 2 greatest personality 👌
On one hand there is philosophy and on the other hand science and the these two theories are given us the clarity about the 2 fields.. Very interesting and very thoughtful and insightful discussion.. Thoroughly enjoyed the talk..
The central quest for the suffering, Mind and Consciousness and so on..🙏🙏
No… the swami guy is also a scientist … not a philosopher.. science means to observe experiments and record the results.. he does that using his body and his mind.. not a lab..
We really underestimate the extent of suffering contained in samsara.
Imagine the cycle of birth and death for billions of years of earth's evolutionary history even before the appearance of humans. Our ethics should be suffering focussed and our moral circle should expand to all sentient creatures.
I agree.
Pranam swamiji. It's really a great conversation.
Great insights from both end.. we need to listen to more such cross talks to understand the deeper truth lying inside everything.. Thank you both of you for the wisdom you share with us ❤🙏 my sincere respect to both of you 😇😇🙏
Swami Atmapriyananda vs Donald Hoffman will be very enlightening conversation.....please consider this 🙏
This was delightfully beautiful
Nice to meet you 😍💝🌹
PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE... LETTING GO
Including letting go of practicing letting go... 😉
Thank you for this incredible discussion on the principles of spiritual knowledge and scientific knowledge. Shalom!
Special persons special talk. Crucial difference between science and religion is discussed.
I found Vedanta by luck replaced by curiosity, Swami Sarvapriyananda 🙏eloquence is nectar to soul explained, my pedestrian Samadi experience (time was-is off clock in practice of Hatha yoga, meditation (Jon kabat Zin style).
The Joy unparalleled, unexplainable, indescribable - unconditional LOVE x10, …
Science is apart of experience, data, chart, crack the code, CONSCIOUSNESS is here. Will science feel? Will it, could it put into code feeling, the veil, fragile yet imperturbable effervescent expansive experience of … Unconditional Love, Nature, Presence of Devine oneness ..
Be it science or spirituality, both are just pointers. The flavour of Reality is only and only tasted by being the 'I AM'
Fascinating discussion between two great minds! Thanks 🙏🏼
Great discourse! The issue I feel with the scientific approach, is to pin things down for greater clarity and yet we know, pinning anything on paper, in theory is limiting and valid till someone else comes along and overwrites the theory...
But that is also fine..
We need to hold on, then let go and that is perhaps how we evolve...
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Incredible conversation! Utterly captivating and insightful. I learned so much. With huge thanks 🙏🏼
Great to see both perspectives from both of the experts in their field many doubts has been cleared till the end of this video 😊
Blessed 🙏
I am the non-dual consciousness…l know that by being it 😃🥳👏❤️
Thakur said we ARE machines ... and God is the operator
THE TRUTH ABOUT "SWAMI" VIVEKANANDA & THE RAMAKRISHNA MISSION:
Some of the following three points apply to practically any "religious" organization, not only to the Ramakrishna Mission/Vedanta Society.
Nota bene: I refer to the founder of that pseudo-religious organization by his proper name, Mr. Narendranath Datta, and NOT the name by which he is addressed by the deluded fanatics who follow him, "Swami Vivekananda", for reasons that should become obvious when reading the following.
1. A spiritual master ought to be a member of the Holy Priesthood (that is, the "brāhmaṇa" class of society, usually wrongly transliterated as "Brahmin"). Mr. Datta was a member of the working-class ("śūdra", in Sanskrit), since he failed to exhibit key characteristics of a genuine brāhmaṇa.
Firstly, he was a drug addict (he died at a young age, due to lung cancer caused by chain smoking tobacco). 🚬
Secondly, he was a carnist. A carnist is a person who considers animals unworthy of moral protection (he virtually suckled on the teats of cows, thus causing undue harm to both himself, to the cows from whom he stole their milk, and of course the poor, innocent calves, who were robbed of their food). 🍼 🐄 🥛
In order to learn of the prerequisites for being a TRUE BRĀHMAṆA, email me for a copy of the Holiest of All Holy Scriptures, "A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity" ("FISH").
2. The Ramakrishna Mission/Vedanta Society condones the two MOST PERNICIOUS institutions in the history of the planet - democracy and feminism. There is insufficient space in this comment section to properly explicate the reasons why democracy (or, for that matter, any system of non-monarchical governance) and feminism are so adharmic and evil, so, if you are one of the very few souls who is desirous of understanding my reason for stating the above, you should find my Email address in the "About" page of my TH-cam channel.
3. Because, as mentioned previously, Mr. Datta was an ultra-fundamentalist pseudo-religious fanatic, and an ignorant "śūdra", none of his disciples and grand-disciples, et cetera, can ever attain to self-realization, for as Lord Jesus Christ rightly stated two millennia ago, "A student can never be greater than his teacher".
Therefore, if one has ambition to become even more "realized" than Mr. Datta, it is ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE that he seek training from a guru who is on a higher state of spiritual understanding and realization than Mr. Datta, or any of the current Ramakrishna Mission "sannyasins".
Just to provide a couple of examples for the above accusation, the current head of the Advaita Society of New York, Mr. Vishvarupa (so-called "Swami" Sarvapriyānanda) is a self-confessed candāla (dog-eater), since he consumes the bloody carcasses of poor, innocent animals, and of course, as a member of that demonic organization, he promulgates the second-most pernicious institution in history (feminism). Furthermore, the British woman who hosts his TH-cam channel, Diane Crafford, according to her Facebook profile picture, condones not only unjustified animal slaughter, but she supports the murder of even poor, innocent, defenseless, unborn humans. 👿
In order to study dharma and yoga with the current World Teacher Himself, search for "Jagadguru Svami Vegananda" in Facebook.
😇 सत्यमेव जयते! 😇
God 😢😂
@@JohnSmith-sl6egyou Joker😢😂
Beautiful!
Indeed very informative and interesting talk. Thank you all for the participation as this discussion gives another angle(s) to mature on the the subject. Not everything can be explained by science. Institution plays a part, I believe and one can grow and mature to "stabilize" in the wisdom. My sincere thanks for the same.
The Truth is One, the wise speak of it in different ways..the wise formulate newer pointers, theories or better ways. The debate or vaad in olden times prevented violence during times of difference of opinion
Donald hoffman nails it. at 1.02
Jai Ma Sarda
Wonderful conversation,
You are doing a great service towards Sanatana Dharma.
Even I'm trying my bit to propagate the Sanskrit language through *my Channel* *Samskrutam* which would help learn simple Sanskrit words through English used in day to day life.
MEDITATION IS KEY. No Teachings, NO BOOKS, NO RELIGION NO.. NOTHING❤❤❤JUST THAT. Be STILL... MIND, BODY, THOUGHTS, And REALIZATION WILL TAKE PLACE ❤
Dwa Suparna stanza of Mundaka Upanishad exemplifies your explanation of the eternal witness being "consciouness"....
Consciousness: the closer you look for it, the further away you get.
Limitations are also teachings of prime value.
Regarding how we experience objects as separate, but Vedanta collapses object into subject so that you understand there's only one reality being experienced as subject and object...
I think any theory on reality could be formulated to explain waking existence .. however, the bigger insight is if it has something to say about the paranormal.. like, physical mediumship (Franek Kluski, DD Home, Joseph of Cupertino, Katie the Gold Leaf Lady , Kathleen Goligher , Rudi Schneider, Ariel Farias , Rudi SchneiderKai Mügge , Eusapia Palladino, Scole Experiments, etc), Reincarnation, premonition, remote-viewing/astral-projection, etc.
Yes! Patanjali Yoga Sutras.
Great conversation. I am perplexed to understand and agree there could be consciousness agents and mind and buddies are few important aspects. But consciousness is the base for those agents as well and I tend to think still consciousness is pure existence on which any thing new to be discovered or formulated models will still be object to fundamental existence.
Mathematics is a human creation. It can help us explore the outside world to some extent but It cannot take us to the Ultimate Reality.
Swami is a bengali, bengalis are crazy smart, like Sourav Ganguly changed Indian cricket landscape
Keep your Regionalism up your, you know where.. Ganguly changed Indian team but kapil Dev and dhoni won world cups..so haryanvi and Rajputs are as good as you
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There Is Science & SCIENCE.
SPIRITUAL SCIENCE
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Kumbaya... that was a moment
acceptance
Walking the planck of time in the space 🌞🌌🤽 of consciousness
The Ecstatic State determines the brain chemistry,
Spirit is the true home of the Soul,
The Macrocosm secretes the Microcosm,
Turiya and the Dreamless State, being suspended over the Void. . .
is bringing home the Dimension of Art, the Alchemy of the Thrice Born . . .Mercury.
No scientific conclusion can be drawn on any enquiry towards reality or scientific process unless the observer is known. Unless this datum is considered any modern scientific process will remain incomplete.
Aloha I have 2 questions that are polar opposite but relevant.
1. Is consciousness which is fundamental, awareness?
2. Is the earth a firmament? Basically a dome ? Any insights from Advita Vedanta and in science
1. Yes, precisely, imagine a screen and the movie projection on it, the screen is the consciousness and the movie played out is illusionary, consciousness is real, all others that are merely playing out are mirages, so basically we need to transcend the illusionary plane and there are tools too in philosophies like science where we can accomplish the real 2) Yes, human birth is special and we are surely capable of realizing the absolute, yes in certain sense Earth may be considered a dome and it facilitates progression to reality, thank you
@@rajkamalipm thanks for the reply , I would imagine that we are the light the produces the image on the screen also I would offer , to be just the light , awareness, would constitute becoming awake
Professor Hoffman constantly reminding us of Gödel’s theorem 😅
Sir, can't the big "WHY THIS cheap headset" be answered by anthropic principle?
What if after knowing its just an avtar I lose motivation to protect it and lose interest in playing the game well and am like its ok to lose the headphones..anyway it doesn't matter..in that case is it even safe or necessary to know this for playing the game successfully? Identifying with the avatar makes u play better but knowing its just an avtar may look like it helps to enjoy the game better..rather for some it can make them lose interest in it.😢
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Can you please have Physicist Tom Campbell for a discussion with Swamiji..his My Big TOE is vedanta just with very different metophors..also he probably is only scientist who has had out of body experiences sunce childhood and came up with theory from his own experiences which perfectly fits with vedanta
Is this interview only on TH-cam? I'd like to share with my son but he doesn't like to listen on ypu tube. Thank you :)
Swamiji, is the local realism coined here is vyavaharika sath6am in Advaiha vedantha though Sri Goudapatha Acharya asks to ignore that also as non reality.
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SAMADHI... KNOW THYSELF
Science however it might try can never find out about consciousness because science is limited to sensory perception/inference (even most sophisticated AI) where as Truth is beyond perception but simply exists as in deep sleep.
These questions asked about the reason for duality experience and suffering are covered in the Tattwa Trayam of Vishista Advaita Vedanta
In the end, it is not ONLY nondual,
And the reason this conversation kinda falls off there is because the concept of Ishvara, Narayana is being discarded.
On a way, with the gold and golden ornaments
You are seeing a room full of cups, all thr cups are white, and so you are saying there is no cups there is only white.
So you are discarding the cups.
While discarding the ornaments is a thing, and lead to sanjuya mukti, ... Akin to at death merging into Brahman effulgence... like eternally being in a distinctionless deep sleep.
There are other forms of liberation.
And in all other forms, one retains their individuality.
One should not discard the 2nd or any other chapter of the Bhagavad-gita.
Nor should the Comments of Sankaracharya about Krsna and Narayana be discarded
So let me explain. You go to sleep, and you dream. In the dream there are many beings who are all apart of you.. but you do not know it.
The misstep is taken by Advaitas when they believe they are the "dreamer". But they are not.. the dreamer is Narayana.
And Krsna has guaranteed that one never looses their individuality.
So "you" the awareness does never become destroyed.
You are part of the nondual substance that is the dream.
But you are NOT the entire nondual substance.
You are part and parcel of the nondual substance.
Jiva atman.
And not only from Krsna are there one universe.. one yoga Nidra Narayana, but there are "Unlimited universes"
With unlimited Narayana mirror like the sun in the sky is mirrored into all of the puddles of water on earth.
The material nature is a "mirror" of this Parabrahman.
You cannot say that the Parabrahman does not have individuality, because everything that has emerged is part of it.
If you have individuality, it has individuality as well.
It is a "person"
@@markbatton8371if you are saying everything is part of it you are accepting advaita there and then itself
@naveenreddy6245 Advaita is seeking to "go back" into the unified dream energy.
Vasishtha Advaita, and Achinta Bheda Abheda , are seeking to come out of the Dream and become real.
@naveenreddy6245 it is both dual and nondual
Not only nondual
Advaita is saying there is no difference between a cup of water and the ocean of water.
But that is not true, the ocean can produce tsunamis, storms ect ect.
Yes they are both H20 , but they are vastly different.
So yes I accept the nondual nature, and even have had experience of it.
But I also accept the dual nature, these things are clearly explained by Sri Krsna in Bhagavad-gita
Self realized "Enlightened" Buddha", understood the entire universal phenomena on how conscious energies behave, designs with help of universal elements, which human six sensory aggregates perceptions , eye, ear, nose, tongue, body (touch), & mind feeling senses. call subjects physical universes as objects, amalgamate & generate to a energy which will produce a " thought" become a life energies ( kamma } as conscious in 31 realms of existence in this solar system. Within " qualities " of kamma (conscious ) energy forms. According to Lord Buddha, Human form is unique of all other forms, because of completed "Human Brain" which capable to enlightenment . In this very Human life. In Theravada Buddhism. 1000000 to one Second chance is very minimum and rare to gain a Human life. Factor of ." Kammic " phenomena Abhidhamma, Thrirpitaka, dipendent origination ( patichcha-samuppada ) scriptures explains in authentic Buddhas' teachings.
Don seems to be more agreed 9n the adwatic perspective but what both were at agreement was about our real nature.
Does someone know the name of the lady host? Does she run a yt channel of her own too?
She's from clubhouse, her channel's name is philosophy babble. Her video are available on TH-cam.
What does Head-set here mean ?
Maya / material world of names and forms
well science cannot tell (precise) pointers as soon as Quantum comes into picture with probability !! :)😀
If mathematics is so limited that it can't define the taste of chocolate experience how could it describe consciosness? One is also a number. It is mathematical. It is an object. Everywhere, everytime. So it belongs to space and time. And so you can't describe the undescribable. Not even with math.
On the Vedanta part: "eternal" and "everywhere" are still concepts of time and space. Also it is very popular to say that all religions point to the same point but it is not true as they were constructed by people mainly for political, control purposes. Relegions are further headsets.
The explanation of the wrongness of the why question is on spot though! 😃
Yes, non-dual consciousness is the fundamental. One can't describe this with matematics from the avatar level.
I heard more synergies between the two than differences.
at 49.33 I already was thinking of why is there this projection? and then Donald Hoffman goes why this cheaper 4 dimentinal headset ...hahahaha awesome. So i am also thinking why the thought arises ? Desire seems fundamental.. as there would be no creation or projection withouth desires. Is desire a fundamental quality of consiousness? just like intelligence looks like a fundamental quality of consiousness. How can something withouth desire go on creating this endless physical reality?
"Anand" is the fundamental reality and quality of that consciousness. Everything we do is to get "Anand" because nobody can live a moment without doing karm and that karm we do is to get Anand.
Consciousness is nothing but ANAND.😮
Disclaimer --since i am devoted to the dwait vedanta so my use of the world consciousness means "the supreme consciousness"
so u are saying consiousness is ananda? if so does it mean it projects or creates maya? maya is a result of ananda or desire? that is what i am trying to know. How can u say what you say with so much conviction? @@vedprakashtiwari6438
What I don't get is that is there were only one ego, and it woke up to its nature with the Buddha or others, then would that not have ended the maya for everyone, since it would have been revealed that there is no more egoity? What, if anything, changed by virtue of the first realizer, for the rest of humanity/egoity? Also, why can I enter dreams at night, but never during the day, if both are dreams?
People do day dreaming too by the way.😅
If in Bharat {India} through 5000 years ago there were people who realized & spread the word of Enlightenment why in 2600/ 3000 years ago, Bodhisattva Gothama Siddhartha went to seek the universal truth? After realizing Enlightenment, the Buddha understood "four Noble Truths, the "base was "CONSCIOUS ENERGY", which design Life, in 31 realms in our solar system & entire endless Universe. Before Gothama Siddhartha's Enlightenment his last teachers were practicing Hinduism in "Sanskrit language " Five atheistic, who with Hindu practice couldn't attain "Enlightenment ". After Enlightenment Lord Buddha selected to preach his theology {Dhamma } in "marghadee sound language" which later written in "pela dhahama" " pali" it was pure sinhala language. In Lanka dweepa. { Jambudweepa } In Buddha Dhamma "patichch-samuppada " explains how process happening Human condition & other universal beings.
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Buddha did not develop any philisophy, nagarjuna did
When you start with consciousness, the words stop, looklike can't say anything, loosing sense. It is nothing and everything at same time. Like swami said, just indicationS.
Our universe Bramhan has 4 head but there are multiple headed bramha and there was many more dimension in those universe
And all those universes make 1/4 th of the creation that is material.
Radhe Radhe
His experience is machine like because his experience is only limited to the mechanical aspect of life .. thinking and intellect. He just applied it to something more than eating and reproducing..
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@@Sakshi_Witness, what EXACTLY do you seek?
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@@Sakshi_WitnessWell actually there are three. The only difference is the other two are the shakti of "first one"(the shaktiman) and shaktiman and sakti has bhedabhed relationship that means the other two are as well as not the first one(the supreme consciousness)
@@Sakshi_Witness Haha I see what you did there. Technically though, 'first' implies 'second' and 'third'. This is why we say "non-dual" or "not two", instead of just saying "one" - because 'one' implies 'two'