About the fear of death, discussed right at the end: after many years of practicing Transcendental Meditation, six years ago the occurrence of Stage 4 colon cancer started a year of treatments that gave me constant feedback that I had lost all fear of death. From the moment of diagnosis through all the treatments I found myself enjoying the process as an interesting adventure, free of any anxiety, worries, or fears. There were times when the pain was almost unbearable, but I simply asked for pain medication, which worked nicely most of the time. Never did I wish for something different to happen; I accepted everything. I especially loved my devoted caregivers and my cancer support group. I agree with Hoffman that effective meditation really works to help us enjoy life. I have fortunately survived the cancer and have been free of it for over five years.
I feel i am on the same path as you except they won’t give pain meds. No meds period. When i was 18 at my first non pediatric doctor, had me fill out the form and it asked if i have a history of drug use. I misunderstood and put YES because i had used magic mushrooms and weed a couple times. Since then, they have falsely marked me as an addict and will not medically assist me in any way. I am 40 now. Life is suffering and for every negative we experience here, we will exist in the exact opposite amount of the positive direction. We are creating the definitions and parameters of the truth of ultimate reality.❤
@@pantherstealth1645 I feel for you. It can be difficult to find a doctor who will listen and act as a proponent in getting your claim verified and your record changed. Keep looking. I am fairly certain that it is not acceptable in medical practice to deny pain medications to those in pain.
Really the same thing happens with Ramana Maharishi, He refused to take anesthesia for his cancer operation in Chennai and Doctors operated on him. Later he just said that he was witnessing his operation with the doctors.
We are so privileged to be witnessing such an important moment in human history: physics, philosophy, neuroscience, cognitive psychology and spirituality are converging in a unique way for the first time, ever. This is a Copernican shift!
I had to pause the video half way through and give credit to Simon and his brilliant moderation. Thank you for the beautiful way your facilitated this conversation.
@@Jamesgarethmorgan Me too; the synthesis of science and spirituality, particularly conveyed in such a simple, humble way is absolutely life-changing and hopefully world-changing ❤
The end of thought leads quickly to physical death and then reawaking without continuous thought.what rupert is talking about is just a trick of the mind.he is a fool
Great conversation, a meeting of two beautiful minds. Very well moderated too, an excellent balance of taking the guests' thoughts to the next logical step while being constructively provocative and keeping it grounded. Also, Mr Spira has such a poetic way of speaking that he's a pleasure to listen to no matter what he's saying!
Dear Rupert, Don and Simon, thank you for a profound, stimulating and astonishing conversation, I am very grateful! It's amazing that in western philosophy Kant realised that space, time and causality are projections of our representation of the world nearly 300 years ago and through the work of you and others, the world is just beginning to catch up with him! Of course the Buddha and many great spiritual teachers have been directing us towards these insights for much longer. It's wonderful that the best of scientific and spiritual traditions are able to come together in this way. May all three of you continue for a long time in this important work.
I’m so relieved by the the findings of every major field of study and what we already knew deep down; we are eternal. Consciousness is a fundamental element of the universe. What a wonderful time to be alive! 💯
Yes , I discovered Don Hoffman just as COVID hit. And later found Rupert about 2 years later. Now we have 2science based thinkers talking with the key spiritual communicator of our time!. The 2 science based thinkers I refer : Don and Bernardo Kastrup , of course!
Could not believe my eyes when this came up in my feed!!!! The two people who have had the biggest influence on my development in the last year in convo together This was a beautiful way to spend 2h28m & 58s of my life
Oh my gosh Don, how horrific for you; I can relate very well, different circumstances. I am reading your book now. So glad you are still with us. Retired professional cardiac nurse, here. Namaste'.
To have such easy access to brilliant conversations by such top men in their fields, as the internet is now providing, could never have been accomplished in the past. It's a kind of miracle, though it's now an everyday matter. Wonder how long colleges will last in their current form? I never heard anything like this conversation in all the years I spent with my degrees.
Science is an antiquated monolith when you think about it. They can’t revise their textbooks easily without causing massive uproar. This is with governing as well.
Wow, I started watching out of interest and couldn't stop until the end. Rupert I love your work and your gift of communication. Don I hadn't heard before but the combination was amazing, well done Simon for the choreography. Brilliantly and thoughtfully presented, Thank you
What a privilege to listen these two. I practice passage meditation and use the following passage attributed to Sankara from around 700CE. It seems to speak to this discussion. “ I am reality without beginning...I have no part in the illusion of ‘I’ and ‘you’, ‘this’ and ‘that’. I am ...one without a second, bliss without end, the unchanging, eternal truth. I dwell in all beings as the pure consciousness, the ground of all phenomena, internal and external. I am both the enjoyer and that which is enjoyed. In the days of my ignorance, I used to think of these as separate from myself. Now I know that I am all.”
@@pastryman7324 It was not in a book. I first saw it mentioned in Robert Lanza's book "Biocentricity...". I was reading "Passage Meditation" by Eknath Easwaran and this passage really spoke to my thoughts about science and spirituality. Hope this helps.
At 1:19:00 minutes Don asks “why does the one localise” into seemingly separate conscious agents. Rupert says we cannot know the answer but I wonder whether it’s the necessary condition for the One to be real: because the One is the many and only through each separate agent, does the One constitute reality. Another way of expressing this is to imagine that from the perspective of wholeness the many parts appear as one: like looking at the Earth from space, an astronaut sees one unified “object” although it has innumerable parts all contributing to and contextualised by the whole. For the One to be fundamental and the ultimate reality it must be simultaneously every “thing” and no “thing”. It must be unity and individuality, non-duality and duality. Rupert is spot on when he says, that fundamental consciousness is “that” within which everything manifests, from which all things take form and by which all forms come to know themselves their ultimate ground of being, reality or the One.
Only 20 mins in and ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. Both these guys said it. You can't capture the truth with the mind. Ever. Which is why they will never scientifically find out what lays behind the 'big bang'. Go silent without a single quiver of thought and you have your answer. God bless
This bad news and good news for science. On the one hand, discovery and pealing back the layers of reality can potentially go on forever. But on the other hand, the final layer cannot ever be reached.
So does it mean nothing that humanity is destroying the the planet & it’s de-evolving inhabitants? How do we enter the “road not taken,” where the beings who saw beyond the programming, but lost the race here dwell?
@@Aetherfield I hear you - one can still play the game of the matrix and wake up inside it. But ultimately it is still always within the wider nature of Christ Consciousness, which is your true being and your ultimate liberation.
@@soleknight3212 I do wonder how to exit the cave of this matrix. It does feel like a trap of reincarnation for eternity. Scientism itself, seems a trap. Once we have subscribe to it, can we ever truly reach Christ consciousness from here?
I‘be listened to hundreds of conversations with Don, Rupert, Bernardo and others. For me this is perhaps the most clear and impactful synthesis of idealism, non-duality, and current scientific inquiry yet. 🙏
Years ago I was listening to Dr. Hoffman speak about the codes behind the form, it was about a chair I believe. I suddenly had a shift and saw the simulation we are in to the extent I was able to get it.I was working on my thesis and my world flipped upside down. Guess I was ready to see it. Thank you Dr. Hoffman. Later I found Rupert Spira and there's more peace on the horizon. Two of my favorite teachers and in the same place!!!
The discovery of the amplitudehedron reminds me of the vedic concept of Hiranyagarbha. And i believe it's possible to 'cognize' Hiranyagarbha when in states very close to pure consciousness. I'd love to hear Rupert and Donald talk about this more. It's absolutely fascinating.
I feel like "my" concioussness has less "glass tinted windows" recently, per say, a fortnight ago I would've thought these guys were loons but now it's like everything they say resonates. I have never gone through circa 150mins with as much focus and intent to learn as I have for this video. This is amazing and i cant wait to learn more. THANK YOU TO "US" :). ONENESS ❤❤❤❤
Vedic knowledge, the Upanishads at least 3,000 years old, spoke of this. Both Buddhism & Hinduism derive from these ancient teachings. One way to analytically delve into this is to consider the Buddhist principle of "emptiness" aka "shunya" or "shunyata." Emptiness is: A thing is not a thing unto itself. Rather, a thing is a momentary appearance constructed or "made" of everything OTHER than itself. For example, a car is not a car. If you deconstruct a car you will never find a core or "essence" called a "car." What you find instead is a collection of parts that we conceptually label (and perceive of) as "car." The car does not exist in an ultimate (real) way. And then, if you deconstruct each part that in aggregate we label as "car" you will again further find only a collection of parts without a core reality that corresponds to the label that we give to the part. We can do this ad infinitum, endlessly until there is only one possible conclusion.... Reality as it appears is illusory. Reality is "Whole-istic" and "non-local." Reality is "interdependent." Some of humanity knew this 3,000 years ago.
The famous Scottish physicist John Bell was just about the only strong supporter of David Bohm's 1952 interpretation of quantum mechanics, which eliminated its nondeterminism, making it no longer a way to suggest that human consciousness has anything to do with how Nature works. The funny thing is that after David Bohm was ostracized from physics for this and his political opinions, he spent about 30 years as Jiddu Krishnamurti's associate and secretary. Bohm was always interested in nonduality himself, even though he showed how to remove the mysticism from quantum mechanics.
This is amazing! I feel lucky and blessed beyond belief that I was born in an era where the internet exists and is accessible to almost every one and I get to watch a video like this! Brillant minds, sharing their knowledge with open hearts. Thank you. 💙👏
Where science is just beginning to wonder, the Hindu scriptures(Vedas) have it all and beyond. I am happy to see that science is confirming that the sages/Vedas are correct/valid and not based on belief. The filter Mr. Hoffman speaks of is Maya I think. Maya veils the reality and projects this world. Thank you all for this enriching conversation🙏
What an amazing discussion. loved it. These kind of 'science meets spirituality' talks are my favorite type of discussions. If you enjoyed this, you might also like the two talks with Rupert Spira & Bernardo Kastrup, and the Dialogue between Rupert Spira and Swami Sarvapriyananda.
This is a massive blow to physicalists and materialism. We literally are seeing a new door slowly open in science in other words a brand new foundation to science is forming. It's an awesome time to be here and witness this as it slowly unfolds!! ❤
Absolutely soon science can prove God the universal infinite consiousness infact exists and God is viewing the world through our localized minds of 8 billion. 😊
Two of my favorite great Minds coming together discussing one of my favorite topics with so many amazing insights, thanks to both and would love more of the conversation to continue.
Rupert, an enlightened mind see matter in a different perspective than an ignorant mind. In such a mind there is no 'I'. It needs to happen and it is not an experience (as an experience requires an experiencer). It is more of a change in focus.
Buddhism has said this for hundreds of years, and science is just catching up. It sounds scary to think that things don’t exist, but in fact it is liberating! It does not mean that there is no reality, but we see/hear/smell/taste/touch and think only appearances of the underlying reality, which is mind (consciousness).
" It sounds scary to think that things don’t exist, but in fact it is liberating!" Be careful as this can lead to thinking that doesn't take care of the context in which it exists and it does exist for a reason. At some point it becomes unnecessary, say for instance when we worry too much but even then worrying too much might be an indicator of something to examine that needs examining.
If time speeds up a few hundred times, mountains would walk. Slow it down the same and humans would be like statues. It's all about the mechanism of perception that objects seem real.
The mind is in the realm of that which is created. Although creation is limitless, the created is limited and cannot fathom the totality of creation. Thus, this entire inquiry into creation can, at most, reveal that we don't know and that we cannot know. The understanding that there is no need to know goes hand in hand with the understanding that the totality is revealed in the most natural experience of awareness. Once the experience of awareness and the experience of being, of 'I am' are united into one understanding, the interior and the exterior are revealed to be one reality.
Thank you, this has inspired thoughts about purpose: Looking for purpose in life comes from intuition, and intuition points to truth, so the behaviour of the (higher) reality in which this intuition arises - life - probably has (higher) purpose likewise. On the other hand: As the reality of spacetime is an illusion (and rather a tool for enabling perspective within the self-realization process of consciousness), causation has no meaning and the mind's concept of purpose vanishes. The behaviour of reality (consciousness forming life) is just it's very nature, thus non-purpose. Now, any value just exists in relation to another. The value of one cannot be without zero. Consciousness looks on itself by generating forms and perspective, thereby confirming itself. This motion really is what being ultimately is. Being and it's living aspect are in fact inseparable. - Purpose and non-purpose are therefore not contradictory. - Purpose in fact is inherent in consciousness. - No purpose without being, no being without purpose. It is correct that we see the world in a way that is advantageous for our survival in this world. Yet any dissociation is stable only within a limited part of spacetime (locally and temporarily), be it a dream or a lifetime. Survival instinct and dissociation describe defacto the very same process ("survival instinct" from a mind/world-internal and "dissociation" from an external perspective). Finally, this activity "drives" consciousness itself to stay alive (in motion). Seen this way, a mind being afraid of death is just a microcosm of the universal being preserving the knowing. - "I am" includes "I want to be".
This has resonated with me on a level I can't express, absolutely wonderful. It wasn't mentioned other than the context of "drugs," but I wonder what either of these speakers has to say about psychedelics? Having had mushroom, and more importantly Bufo Alvarius experiences, the source they refer to is exactly that. The source of consciousness and being. During the psychedelic experiences, your finite mind is washed away and you enter source. Quite forcably in some instances, but if you can surrender, it's the most real realness I have ever felt. Although they are related to meditation, would either speaker dismiss what is felt through psychedelic experience?
The whole conversation is absolutely amazing, but if I were to choose one topic only, perhaps it would be their remarks on the perennial philosophy, which is like the very essence of mankind's spiritual wisdom, but again - as both Rupert and Donald emphasize - it is only a hand pointing at the Moon and not the Moon itself.
Rupert Spira, Your perspective of the perennial philosophy when compared to Buddhism, etc. is brilliant. It's made an amazing difference in my life. Thank you
Our conceptual mind in the frontal lobe is the spacetime headset. What we call consciousness occurs in this frontal lobe where we label things and then try to fit them together. Most of the rest of our brain is organizing the infinite processes that make up our human body and how it interacts with its surroundings. Ordinary consciousness occurs when our conceptual mind picks a point from that organizing and then views other things from that vantage point. As they say it can do this from an infinite number of vantage points and chooses the most important to us and then comes up with a framework to try to make sense of those most important things to try to maximize them. We are often rewarded (as indicated) by doing this, but our conceptual minds can only ever see glimpses of snapshots of slivers and try to fit those together, which while absolutely amazing and responsible for at least most of human ‘progress’, is woefully inadequate for knowing or describing reality. Fortunately, our conceptual mind in our frontal lobe can pause its quest to label and fit things together and become empty/light (same thing) and then be used as our ‘third eye’ to experience how the rest of our brain is organizing/balancing the countless processes, which is presence or awareness, and what is deeper than spacetime.
Actually what I said there is not quite right or at least incomplete (if anyone is interested). Don brings up evolution, so I’ll start with the fact that the oldest parts of us evolutionarily is our GI tract. Then a musculoskeletal system (MSS) to help it move to help satisfy its needs. This is coordinated by our vestibular system, and I call those together our GVP for GI tact, vestibular system, and proprioception system (our sensory perception of our MSS). This GVP is actually the spacetime headset they mention, which most of our neocortex (except frontal lobe) is coordinating/organizing/balancing (COB). Then came our frontal lobe and its conceptual mind (CM), which labels parts of the COB. This CM can be empty/light though instead of busy labeling and fitting things together into frameworks/stories, and this is what pure awareness is when completely empty/light/stillness/space/no thing ness. This is great and all and is beyond our spacetime headset. However, the only way we have to integrate everything, including us with our surroundings, is from our GVP/spacetime headset*, which in eastern philosophies is often referred to as staying rooted. If we stay rooted we can then sense/experience beyond this spacetime headset/GVP and how that beyond relates to spacetime. If we try to see beyond without staying rooted or especially trying to become unrooted (which is probably the most common thing we do in life) we will be trying to create a reality different than the ONE that exists, and at a minimum shift our rightful burdens onto others and often shift a great deal more burden onto others and our environment as we try to create our fantasy. *The vestibular system is the part of us that tells us how the different parts of us that we can sense fit together, as well as how we physically fit into our environment. The same tiny ear bones that are the heart of it are also of course responsible for our hearing, which is why Zen likes to talk about 1 hand clapping. When awareness/presence and our GVP/spacetime headset are fully synced up and we are fully conscious we can ‘hear’ any movement or even imagined movement of any part of us or really anything we can sense/experience.
Such a gift you are Simon for bringing these voices to us. So many people nay-say technology, but this is one of the prime examples of being able to CHOOSE what we pay attention to. As Edward R. Morrow said in regard to radio, "This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and even it can inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise, it's nothing but wires and lights in a box.”
34:00 "we need a theory that goes beyond space and time and that gives rise to space and time" No. We are already beyond space time. Now see how you imagine space and time. "Creat a black hole in your lab" No. you already are in a black hole, wich , when seen from the the inside, is a great white hole.
We need a further evolution of mind in order to adopt what Mr. Spira is saying about how we're all one. Newer more aware generations will have to arrive before the knowledge and truth of this is adopted and implemented for a more altruistic world.
Science confirming (well, close to I hope) what many different ancient traditions have been saying for thousands of years. This is almost a class of Neo Advaita Vedanta, if you liked this talk try Swami Sarvapryananda. You can also hear some Alan Watts talking about the "Game of Hide and Seek" why Consciousness gets embodied. What Don is describing of the non-self/no-ego would agree with the description of many Gurus of what Samadhi is (the last level of the 8th Fold Path of Buddha). "Something that is an illusion doesn't imply that it is not real" this is in more than one way what Shankara described as Maya, the veil of illusion. The 1 Consciousness that Don is trying to prove and Rupert says is everything is of course the Pantheist idea of Brahman. This, to me at least, is what a 2023 conversation of secular spirituality should really sound like. Thanks for sharing.
Don's question at 1:19:04 The question is Why? - The question would be not valid. Why refers to causality. Causality is a myth requiring basis in time. Time does not exist in Consciousness. It is the consciousness that appears as mind and matter both of which in essence are consciousness. (in a state of apparent duality which is purely fictional as it is the view-point of "mind" which itself is non-entity if it is seen as divorced from consciousness). Time is "posterior" to mind as a mere thought. Consciousness is "anterior" to mind and hence causality does not breathe in Consciousness. Furthermore, effect (manifest world) is no different from "cause" (Consciousness). Therefore this question would lose its meaning in the "TRUE STATE OF AFFAIRS" in Consciousness. It is "ignorance" that is responsible for the illusory appearance of separate individual and world. "Knowledge" eliminates them and "merges" them back in consciousness and we cognize that CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL THERE IS.
Wow. This was one of the most fascinating discussions I’ve heard in the realm of the science and non duality that I have heard yet. As I continue to walk my own path of spiritual enlightenment I am amazed to find great thoughts being wonderfully articulated!
I really like this Interview. I meditate more than 20 years. Hoffmanns Theories are great. This is the first scientific concept I can agree, which confirms my meditation and psychodelic experience. 🎉❤
Brilliant talk. Donald and Rupert are amazing. I so agree with Rupert, paraphrasing, “if you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail”. I’ve always wondered if we have the “language” or the “mind” to figure out what’s on the “other side” beyond the world we see. Can anyone figure out the “5 dimension” (or higher) with our 4-dimensional brain? Is it all down to math? Exciting time for Physics.
Don Hoffman has ruined me! I now know cars don't have engines under their hoods. And even if they did, objects in space and time have no causal powers so pistons don't make cars "go."
These fellows are at the doorstep of understanding. As a Holistic Practitioner for several decades, I can see clearly the bridge before them: it is a matter of dimensionality that is not being recognized by ye Olde science. eg fields of consciousness arise above the human, physical body with which some present day scientists are so totally (May I add scientifically ignorant of?) An Emotional body houses our very ephemeral feelings. A Mental Body holds unknown quantities of practical or not, thought forms that await registration by the human receiver: the brain. The “Spiritual” Field holds within themselves uncountable belief systems communicating levels of knowledge abounding. Waiting for an old generation of 3D interpreters to either wake up😂 or move on over for the next world, the quantum world, to take its place in the progression of humankind. It is happening - only a matter of time, so to speak🎉 for the call to be heard!
All things in perspective, I believe we can qualify this conversation as in the realm of historic, given the timing of these two illumined minds, bridging science and consciousness in pioneering ways.
Donald & Rupert, Thank you!. Your views are profound and I'm glad I've found them. I also appreciate the way that you explain them in a visual sense. I have a question for you Donald. If we only see a fraction of the truth, is it possible that Bluetooth Airpods and the EM frequency that they operate on, may be understudied, underestimated & possibly too strong our brains?
153K views is amazing. That many people interested...or maybe a few of us have watched it 100x? This conversation is amazing. I'm hanging on by my fingernails with Donald but experientially "understand" Rupert's words. Love hearing both sides.
What Rupert and Donald is talking about is nothing but the same thing Gaudapada spoke about in Māṇḍukya Kārikā and later helped by commentaries by Adi sankara, about 1700 years ago. It's astonishing, how scientific study of the mind was carried out way before any scientific methodologies were available, and the funny part is - we haven't progressed an inch!
22:57 "We are going to get tecknology beyond space time" Aboriginal : do you mean that you will recognize our spirituality as a technique for the intangible?
Of course, there is an answer. Less thinking, more being. The story is Unconditional Love. It is a state that accepts everything as it is and lets everything happen as everything is inferior. Infinite exploration of existence is made possible by this Ultimate State. There is nothing to be afraid of. Fear is an illusion. Besides, separating Consciousness and the dimensions through which It manifests is an ontological error. This is One Whole - Sat (Being) Chit (Consciousness) Ananda (Bliss / Peace). One becomes many to experience Itself in infinite ways of existence. But here, you need to go meta/mystic and leave the conceptual mind aside.
I can appreciate Donald Hoffman's desire to utilize the tool that is mind to play via scientific study. However Rupert Spira, I appreciate the simplicity of the truth that just IS w/o question. The conundrum is that science (both technical & social science) is relentless questioning yet useful on the stage of life. Perhaps to go back and forth btwn sleep and wakefulness is the grand play on this small scale.
I am so happy and excited....when I listened last night to Donald talking to Lex Fridman I wrote a comment suggesting they check out the work of Rupert Spira....and low and behold when i awake the universe has been at work! A FB link showed me they had already met. This is super exciting. I am a comparative theologian writing my dissertation about NDEs, altered states of consciousness and Vajrayana philosophy. Research into Consciousness absolutely needs to be inter disciplinary.... scientists, religious studies, philosophy of religion scholars, process theologians and experts in dharma studies, need to have discussions together because we need many minds here, many perspectives to understand how consciousness operates. Blessings to everyone especially Rupert and Don. Thank you.
I have been going on to my friends and family about Donald Hoffman for ages, and after a while their eyes glaze over and I realise I’m not getting through.Maybe it’s the phrase “ space and time is doomed” that puts them off 😊. Does anyone know of a discussion group or meeting in East Sussex, England that talks about this stuff. Would love to discuss the implications and possibilities of these theories. As always a thrilling mind blowing discussion. Thank you so much.
If it's hard for you who lives in England, imagine how hard is to find anyone here in Brazil, who has some kind of interest in these topics. At least we got Bernardo kastrup, who works with Donald Hoffman, and that gives me hope that we can find someone who likes to think about these "big questions"
At about 1:28 the paradox Mr. Hoffman refers to is discussed in Michel Henry’s chapter The paradoxes of Christianity in his book I am the Truth ~ Henry was a French philosopher late 20 c
About the fear of death, discussed right at the end: after many years of practicing Transcendental Meditation, six years ago the occurrence of Stage 4 colon cancer started a year of treatments that gave me constant feedback that I had lost all fear of death. From the moment of diagnosis through all the treatments I found myself enjoying the process as an interesting adventure, free of any anxiety, worries, or fears. There were times when the pain was almost unbearable, but I simply asked for pain medication, which worked nicely most of the time. Never did I wish for something different to happen; I accepted everything. I especially loved my devoted caregivers and my cancer support group. I agree with Hoffman that effective meditation really works to help us enjoy life. I have fortunately survived the cancer and have been free of it for over five years.
What a beautiful awareness. Thank you for sharing your experience. Blessings to you.
I feel i am on the same path as you except they won’t give pain meds. No meds period. When i was 18 at my first non pediatric doctor, had me fill out the form and it asked if i have a history of drug use. I misunderstood and put YES because i had used magic mushrooms and weed a couple times. Since then, they have falsely marked me as an addict and will not medically assist me in any way. I am 40 now. Life is suffering and for every negative we experience here, we will exist in the exact opposite amount of the positive direction. We are creating the definitions and parameters of the truth of ultimate reality.❤
@@pantherstealth1645 I feel for you. It can be difficult to find a doctor who will listen and act as a proponent in getting your claim verified and your record changed. Keep looking. I am fairly certain that it is not acceptable in medical practice to deny pain medications to those in pain.
Really the same thing happens with Ramana Maharishi, He refused to take anesthesia for his cancer operation in Chennai and Doctors operated on him. Later he just said that he was witnessing his operation with the doctors.
I'm looking forward to death. I can't wait to see what's next
We are so privileged to be witnessing such an important moment in human history: physics, philosophy, neuroscience, cognitive psychology and spirituality are converging in a unique way for the first time, ever. This is a Copernican shift!
@SIMPLY HUMAN do you know what you are talking about?
@SIMPLY HUMAN you're probably a materialist ?
@SIMPLY HUMAN ok, and I'm an idealist
@SIMPLY HUMAN some examples of those absurd ideas ?
@SIMPLY HUMAN if you speak about consciousness then what is the problem in throwing things that appear in its field !?
I had to pause the video half way through and give credit to Simon and his brilliant moderation. Thank you for the beautiful way your facilitated this conversation.
I'm glad you pulled through Donald Hoffman
This is one of the most amazing conversations I’ve heard in my lifetime. I also salute the brilliant humility of these men
Kiss their butts a little more. Kneel and kiss their shoes too.
Nemini dubium est!
Me three. This is life-changing for me.
@@Jamesgarethmorgan
Me too; the synthesis of science and spirituality, particularly conveyed in such a simple, humble way is absolutely life-changing and hopefully world-changing ❤
The end of thought leads quickly to physical death and then reawaking without continuous thought.what rupert is talking about is just a trick of the mind.he is a fool
No words can match this sharing. THANK YOU ALL. Cheers from a retired soldier down under.💓💞💕
Great conversation, a meeting of two beautiful minds. Very well moderated too, an excellent balance of taking the guests' thoughts to the next logical step while being constructively provocative and keeping it grounded. Also, Mr Spira has such a poetic way of speaking that he's a pleasure to listen to no matter what he's saying!
Dear Rupert, Don and Simon, thank you for a profound, stimulating and astonishing conversation, I am very grateful! It's amazing that in western philosophy Kant realised that space, time and causality are projections of our representation of the world nearly 300 years ago and through the work of you and others, the world is just beginning to catch up with him! Of course the Buddha and many great spiritual teachers have been directing us towards these insights for much longer. It's wonderful that the best of scientific and spiritual traditions are able to come together in this way. May all three of you continue for a long time in this important work.
Absolutely brilliant!
I’m so relieved by the the findings of every major field of study and what we already knew deep down; we are eternal. Consciousness is a fundamental element of the universe. What a wonderful time to be alive! 💯
Without a doubt, this has been the most impactful conversations I've ever listened to....and thank goodness we didn't lose Mr. Hoffman last year.
What happened to him last year?
@@scottbarrett1763covid, he talks about it near the end of the conversation
@@scottbarrett1763my question as well
@@scottbarrett1763 he got sick from COVID and almost died.
@@ivazic225 Lucky break for all of us.
Yes , I discovered Don Hoffman just as COVID hit. And later found Rupert about 2 years later. Now we have 2science based thinkers talking with the key spiritual communicator of our time!. The 2 science based thinkers I refer : Don and Bernardo Kastrup , of course!
2Science based thinkers being Don and Bernardo teaming up with Rupert.s Direct Path! Perfection in it’s oneness!
Could not believe my eyes when this came up in my feed!!!!
The two people who have had the biggest influence on my development in the last year in convo together
This was a beautiful way to spend 2h28m & 58s of my life
Have you also listened to Tom Campbell and his my Big Toe (theory of everything ) concept ?
I know right.
@@84sahi watched this three times so far 🌀☀️🌀☀️🌀
Oh my gosh Don, how horrific for you; I can relate very well, different circumstances. I am reading your book now. So glad you are still with us. Retired professional cardiac nurse, here. Namaste'.
To have such easy access to brilliant conversations by such top men in their fields, as the internet is now providing, could never have been accomplished in the past. It's a kind of miracle, though it's now an everyday matter. Wonder how long colleges will last in their current form? I never heard anything like this conversation in all the years I spent with my degrees.
Science is an antiquated monolith when you think about it. They can’t revise their textbooks easily without causing massive uproar. This is with governing as well.
Wow, I started watching out of interest and couldn't stop until the end. Rupert I love your work and your gift of communication. Don I hadn't heard before but the combination was amazing, well done Simon for the choreography. Brilliantly and thoughtfully presented, Thank you
Immensely fascinating. My mind sucks that up as if it was sweet, sweet juice. 😁Thank you. 🍀
What a privilege to listen these two. I practice passage meditation and use the following passage attributed to Sankara from around 700CE. It seems to speak to this discussion. “ I am reality without beginning...I have no part in the illusion of ‘I’ and ‘you’, ‘this’ and ‘that’. I am ...one without a second, bliss without end, the unchanging, eternal truth. I dwell in all beings as the pure consciousness, the ground of all phenomena, internal and external. I am both the enjoyer and that which is enjoyed. In the days of my ignorance, I used to think of these as separate from myself. Now I know that I am all.”
What is the name of the book from which this passage is from?
@@pastryman7324 It was not in a book. I first saw it mentioned in Robert Lanza's book "Biocentricity...". I was reading "Passage Meditation" by Eknath Easwaran and this passage really spoke to my thoughts about science and spirituality. Hope this helps.
Brilliant
You mean Adi guru shankaracharya? Yes he gave Advaita Vedanta , non dualism
At 1:19:00 minutes Don asks “why does the one localise” into seemingly separate conscious agents. Rupert says we cannot know the answer but I wonder whether it’s the necessary condition for the One to be real: because the One is the many and only through each separate agent, does the One constitute reality. Another way of expressing this is to imagine that from the perspective of wholeness the many parts appear as one: like looking at the Earth from space, an astronaut sees one unified “object” although it has innumerable parts all contributing to and contextualised by the whole. For the One to be fundamental and the ultimate reality it must be simultaneously every “thing” and no “thing”. It must be unity and individuality, non-duality and duality. Rupert is spot on when he says, that fundamental consciousness is “that” within which everything manifests, from which all things take form and by which all forms come to know themselves their ultimate ground of being, reality or the One.
The interviewer is absolutely over the moon with how good this is!
Only 20 mins in and ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. Both these guys said it. You can't capture the truth with the mind. Ever. Which is why they will never scientifically find out what lays behind the 'big bang'. Go silent without a single quiver of thought and you have your answer. God bless
This bad news and good news for science. On the one hand, discovery and pealing back the layers of reality can potentially go on forever. But on the other hand, the final layer cannot ever be reached.
@@Shadowdaddy87 Indeed. I'm a scientist by background and all I can say is that, it's fun.....for a while! :)
So does it mean nothing that humanity is destroying the the planet & it’s de-evolving inhabitants? How do we enter the “road not taken,” where the beings who saw beyond the programming, but lost the race here dwell?
@@Aetherfield I hear you - one can still play the game of the matrix and wake up inside it. But ultimately it is still always within the wider nature of Christ Consciousness, which is your true being and your ultimate liberation.
@@soleknight3212 I do wonder how to exit the cave of this matrix. It does feel like a trap of reincarnation for eternity. Scientism itself, seems a trap. Once we have subscribe to it, can we ever truly reach Christ consciousness from here?
mind blowing conversation. what a treat to see converging Donald/Rupert thoughts on reality and consciousness
I‘be listened to hundreds of conversations with Don, Rupert, Bernardo and others. For me this is perhaps the most clear and impactful synthesis of idealism, non-duality, and current scientific inquiry yet. 🙏
Donalds ideas are great. He is truly utilising Vedic knowledge for present
Convergence like in this talk is the uppercut fundamaterialist needs to wake up to their true nature. Thx for sharing.
Very nice explanation of the VR headset and "reality isn't real"
Years ago I was listening to Dr. Hoffman speak about the codes behind the form, it was about a chair I believe. I suddenly had a shift and saw the simulation we are in to the extent I was able to get it.I was working on my thesis and my world flipped upside down. Guess I was ready to see it. Thank you Dr. Hoffman. Later I found Rupert Spira and there's more peace on the horizon. Two of my favorite teachers and in the same place!!!
Spirituality and science looking in the same direction means true progress and deep knowledge unfolding! ❤ Much love to both of these human gems
Un vrai joyau! Quelle libération! Un gros merci à vous trois! Jean-Pierre
Pure joy. Thank you so much
And the unity with truth is completed in every babystep towards it.
The discovery of the amplitudehedron reminds me of the vedic concept of Hiranyagarbha. And i believe it's possible to 'cognize' Hiranyagarbha when in states very close to pure consciousness. I'd love to hear Rupert and Donald talk about this more. It's absolutely fascinating.
I feel like "my" concioussness has less "glass tinted windows" recently, per say, a fortnight ago I would've thought these guys were loons but now it's like everything they say resonates. I have never gone through circa 150mins with as much focus and intent to learn as I have for this video. This is amazing and i cant wait to learn more. THANK YOU TO "US" :). ONENESS ❤❤❤❤
Vedic knowledge, the Upanishads at least 3,000 years old, spoke of this. Both Buddhism & Hinduism derive from these ancient teachings.
One way to analytically delve into this is to consider the Buddhist principle of "emptiness" aka "shunya" or "shunyata."
Emptiness is:
A thing is not a thing unto itself. Rather, a thing is a momentary appearance constructed or "made" of everything OTHER than itself.
For example, a car is not a car. If you deconstruct a car you will never find a core or "essence" called a "car." What you find instead is a collection of parts that we conceptually label (and perceive of) as "car." The car does not exist in an ultimate (real) way.
And then, if you deconstruct each part that in aggregate we label as "car" you will again further find only a collection of parts without a core reality that corresponds to the label that we give to the part. We can do this ad infinitum, endlessly until there is only one possible conclusion....
Reality as it appears is illusory. Reality is "Whole-istic" and "non-local." Reality is "interdependent."
Some of humanity knew this 3,000 years ago.
@@usr909 , I'm always wrong.. even when I'm right 😉
@@usr909 Yes
@@davidmickles5012 😂
No one gets it lol
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Yes and.. Yes
I'm gonna have to tell my car it is not actually a car. I'll still pretend it's a car next time I drive to work...
Absolutely fantastic. Is the rift that Thomas Aquinas created between science and spirituality finally beginning to heal?
This conversation needs sharing to everyone on the planet. ❤
The famous Scottish physicist John Bell was just about the only strong supporter of David Bohm's 1952 interpretation of quantum mechanics, which eliminated its nondeterminism, making it no longer a way to suggest that human consciousness has anything to do with how Nature works. The funny thing is that after David Bohm was ostracized from physics for this and his political opinions, he spent about 30 years as Jiddu Krishnamurti's associate and secretary. Bohm was always interested in nonduality himself, even though he showed how to remove the mysticism from quantum mechanics.
This is amazing! I feel lucky and blessed beyond belief that I was born in an era where the internet exists and is accessible to almost every one and I get to watch a video like this! Brillant minds, sharing their knowledge with open hearts. Thank you. 💙👏
Thank you Rupert, Don and Simon. Feeling so grateful for this video 🙏🎊
Where science is just beginning to wonder, the Hindu scriptures(Vedas) have it all and beyond. I am happy to see that science is confirming that the sages/Vedas are correct/valid and not based on belief. The filter Mr. Hoffman speaks of is Maya I think. Maya veils the reality and projects this world. Thank you all for this enriching conversation🙏
so love and appreciate Rupert
he has such a unique and wonderful explanation of consciousness and non- duality, Thankyou ❤
Oh wow! Delighted beyond delight to see this pop up in my feed! So grateful to be able to listen in on this incredible conversation. Thank you
What an amazing discussion. loved it. These kind of 'science meets spirituality' talks are my favorite type of discussions. If you enjoyed this, you might also like the two talks with Rupert Spira & Bernardo Kastrup, and the Dialogue between Rupert Spira and Swami Sarvapriyananda.
This is a massive blow to physicalists and materialism. We literally are seeing a new door slowly open in science in other words a brand new foundation to science is forming. It's an awesome time to be here and witness this as it slowly unfolds!! ❤
Absolutely soon science can prove God the universal infinite consiousness infact exists and God is viewing the world through our localized minds of 8 billion. 😊
How do you not love these two gentleman, both figuratively and literally. This presentation is a wonderful gift to your listeners.
So great to listen to these two in conversation 😌
No words. Absolutely mesmerizing! I felt privileged to have an opportunity to listen to such a wonderful conversation 🙏
physical world with mass from conscious reality with energy? as energy is turned into mass, consciousness becomes matter?
Two of my favorite great Minds coming together discussing one of my favorite topics with so many amazing insights, thanks to both and would love more of the conversation to continue.
Rupert, an enlightened mind see matter in a different perspective than an ignorant mind.
In such a mind there is no 'I'.
It needs to happen and it is not an experience (as an experience requires an experiencer).
It is more of a change in focus.
Buddhism has said this for hundreds of years, and science is just catching up. It sounds scary to think that things don’t exist, but in fact it is liberating! It does not mean that there is no reality, but we see/hear/smell/taste/touch and think only appearances of the underlying reality, which is mind (consciousness).
@@usr909 science and spirituality are opposites. science can’t explain it and indeed deny it.
" It sounds scary to think that things don’t exist, but in fact it is liberating!" Be careful as this can lead to thinking that doesn't take care of the context in which it exists and it does exist for a reason. At some point it becomes unnecessary, say for instance when we worry too much but even then worrying too much might be an indicator of something to examine that needs examining.
This conversation is a profound gift to humanity. Breathtaking. Thank you gentlemen.🌹
What a brilliant trio, amazing! Super grateful 🤍
This video is so important. I hope many really consider what was said.
This was wonderful, thank you!
If time speeds up a few hundred times, mountains would walk. Slow it down the same and humans would be like statues. It's all about the mechanism of perception that objects seem real.
The mind is in the realm of that which is created. Although creation is limitless, the created is limited and cannot fathom the totality of creation.
Thus, this entire inquiry into creation can, at most, reveal that we don't know and that we cannot know.
The understanding that there is no need to know goes hand in hand with the understanding that the totality is revealed in the most natural experience of awareness.
Once the experience of awareness and the experience of being, of 'I am' are united into one understanding, the interior and the exterior are revealed to be one reality.
Wonderful interaction of spirituality and science
Thank you, this has inspired thoughts about purpose:
Looking for purpose in life comes from intuition, and intuition points to truth, so the behaviour of the (higher) reality in which this intuition arises - life - probably has (higher) purpose likewise. On the other hand: As the reality of spacetime is an illusion (and rather a tool for enabling perspective within the self-realization process of consciousness), causation has no meaning and the mind's concept of purpose vanishes. The behaviour of reality (consciousness forming life) is just it's very nature, thus non-purpose.
Now, any value just exists in relation to another. The value of one cannot be without zero. Consciousness looks on itself by generating forms and perspective, thereby confirming itself. This motion really is what being ultimately is. Being and it's living aspect are in fact inseparable.
- Purpose and non-purpose are therefore not contradictory.
- Purpose in fact is inherent in consciousness.
- No purpose without being, no being without purpose.
It is correct that we see the world in a way that is advantageous for our survival in this world. Yet any dissociation is stable only within a limited part of spacetime (locally and temporarily), be it a dream or a lifetime.
Survival instinct and dissociation describe defacto the very same process ("survival instinct" from a mind/world-internal and "dissociation" from an external perspective). Finally, this activity "drives" consciousness itself to stay alive (in motion). Seen this way, a mind being afraid of death is just a microcosm of the universal being preserving the knowing.
- "I am" includes "I want to be".
In a dream, we see various objects. All these objects are appearnces in dreamers mind. In waking state, all are appearances In conciousness
i’m so thrilled. i’ve been wanting to hear these two in conversation ❤❤❤
Now I feel like a kid in a candy store!
Glad your health is better Donald. Love you all.
This has resonated with me on a level I can't express, absolutely wonderful.
It wasn't mentioned other than the context of "drugs," but I wonder what either of these speakers has to say about psychedelics? Having had mushroom, and more importantly Bufo Alvarius experiences, the source they refer to is exactly that. The source of consciousness and being. During the psychedelic experiences, your finite mind is washed away and you enter source. Quite forcably in some instances, but if you can surrender, it's the most real realness I have ever felt.
Although they are related to meditation, would either speaker dismiss what is felt through psychedelic experience?
The whole conversation is absolutely amazing, but if I were to choose one topic only, perhaps it would be their remarks on the perennial philosophy, which is like the very essence of mankind's spiritual wisdom, but again - as both Rupert and Donald emphasize - it is only a hand pointing at the Moon and not the Moon itself.
Just awesome to see it unfold
Rupert Spira, Your perspective of the perennial philosophy when compared to Buddhism, etc. is brilliant. It's made an amazing difference in my life. Thank you
Our conceptual mind in the frontal lobe is the spacetime headset. What we call consciousness occurs in this frontal lobe where we label things and then try to fit them together. Most of the rest of our brain is organizing the infinite processes that make up our human body and how it interacts with its surroundings. Ordinary consciousness occurs when our conceptual mind picks a point from that organizing and then views other things from that vantage point. As they say it can do this from an infinite number of vantage points and chooses the most important to us and then comes up with a framework to try to make sense of those most important things to try to maximize them. We are often rewarded (as indicated) by doing this, but our conceptual minds can only ever see glimpses of snapshots of slivers and try to fit those together, which while absolutely amazing and responsible for at least most of human ‘progress’, is woefully inadequate for knowing or describing reality. Fortunately, our conceptual mind in our frontal lobe can pause its quest to label and fit things together and become empty/light (same thing) and then be used as our ‘third eye’ to experience how the rest of our brain is organizing/balancing the countless processes, which is presence or awareness, and what is deeper than spacetime.
Actually what I said there is not quite right or at least incomplete (if anyone is interested). Don brings up evolution, so I’ll start with the fact that the oldest parts of us evolutionarily is our GI tract. Then a musculoskeletal system (MSS) to help it move to help satisfy its needs. This is coordinated by our vestibular system, and I call those together our GVP for GI tact, vestibular system, and proprioception system (our sensory perception of our MSS). This GVP is actually the spacetime headset they mention, which most of our neocortex (except frontal lobe) is coordinating/organizing/balancing (COB). Then came our frontal lobe and its conceptual mind (CM), which labels parts of the COB. This CM can be empty/light though instead of busy labeling and fitting things together into frameworks/stories, and this is what pure awareness is when completely empty/light/stillness/space/no thing ness. This is great and all and is beyond our spacetime headset. However, the only way we have to integrate everything, including us with our surroundings, is from our GVP/spacetime headset*, which in eastern philosophies is often referred to as staying rooted. If we stay rooted we can then sense/experience beyond this spacetime headset/GVP and how that beyond relates to spacetime. If we try to see beyond without staying rooted or especially trying to become unrooted (which is probably the most common thing we do in life) we will be trying to create a reality different than the ONE that exists, and at a minimum shift our rightful burdens onto others and often shift a great deal more burden onto others and our environment as we try to create our fantasy. *The vestibular system is the part of us that tells us how the different parts of us that we can sense fit together, as well as how we physically fit into our environment. The same tiny ear bones that are the heart of it are also of course responsible for our hearing, which is why Zen likes to talk about 1 hand clapping. When awareness/presence and our GVP/spacetime headset are fully synced up and we are fully conscious we can ‘hear’ any movement or even imagined movement of any part of us or really anything we can sense/experience.
How do you know it's a pen?
Such a gift you are Simon for bringing these voices to us. So many people nay-say technology, but this is one of the prime examples of being able to CHOOSE what we pay attention to. As Edward R. Morrow said in regard to radio, "This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and even it can inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise, it's nothing but wires and lights in a box.”
Dayum never have I ever rewinded and re-listened to a video so much in my life. So much to take in and so much to process. ❤
34:00 "we need a theory that goes beyond space and time and that gives rise to space and time"
No. We are already beyond space time. Now see how you imagine space and time.
"Creat a black hole in your lab"
No. you already are in a black hole, wich , when seen from the the inside, is a great white hole.
We need a further evolution of mind in order to adopt what Mr. Spira is saying about how we're all one. Newer more aware generations will have to arrive before the knowledge and truth of this is adopted and implemented for a more altruistic world.
Science confirming (well, close to I hope) what many different ancient traditions have been saying for thousands of years. This is almost a class of Neo Advaita Vedanta, if you liked this talk try Swami Sarvapryananda. You can also hear some Alan Watts talking about the "Game of Hide and Seek" why Consciousness gets embodied. What Don is describing of the non-self/no-ego would agree with the description of many Gurus of what Samadhi is (the last level of the 8th Fold Path of Buddha). "Something that is an illusion doesn't imply that it is not real" this is in more than one way what Shankara described as Maya, the veil of illusion. The 1 Consciousness that Don is trying to prove and Rupert says is everything is of course the Pantheist idea of Brahman. This, to me at least, is what a 2023 conversation of secular spirituality should really sound like. Thanks for sharing.
Don's question at 1:19:04 The question is Why? - The question would be not valid. Why refers to causality. Causality is a myth requiring basis in time. Time does not exist in Consciousness. It is the consciousness that appears as mind and matter both of which in essence are consciousness. (in a state of apparent duality which is purely fictional as it is the view-point of "mind" which itself is non-entity if it is seen as divorced from consciousness). Time is "posterior" to mind as a mere thought. Consciousness is "anterior" to mind and hence causality does not breathe in Consciousness. Furthermore, effect (manifest world) is no different from "cause" (Consciousness). Therefore this question would lose its meaning in the "TRUE STATE OF AFFAIRS" in Consciousness. It is "ignorance" that is responsible for the illusory appearance of separate individual and world. "Knowledge" eliminates them and "merges" them back in consciousness and we cognize that CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL THERE IS.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful video
Wow. This was one of the most fascinating discussions I’ve heard in the realm of the science and non duality that I have heard yet. As I continue to walk my own path of spiritual enlightenment I am amazed to find great thoughts being wonderfully articulated!
Love this, I’ve been waiting to listen to Don and Rupert share there ideas for a long time
I really like this Interview. I meditate more than 20 years. Hoffmanns Theories are great. This is the first scientific concept I can agree, which confirms my meditation and psychodelic experience. 🎉❤
This is an amazing episode!
Brilliant talk. Donald and Rupert are amazing. I so agree with Rupert, paraphrasing, “if you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail”. I’ve always wondered if we have the “language” or the “mind” to figure out what’s on the “other side” beyond the world we see. Can anyone figure out the “5 dimension” (or higher) with our 4-dimensional brain? Is it all down to math? Exciting time for Physics.
Don Hoffman has ruined me!
I now know cars don't have engines under their hoods. And even if they did, objects in space and time have no causal powers so pistons don't make cars "go."
Did you look under the car to see if the road is still there? 😆
These fellows are at the doorstep of understanding. As a Holistic Practitioner for several decades, I can see clearly the bridge before them: it is a matter of dimensionality that is not being recognized by ye Olde science. eg fields of consciousness arise above the human, physical body with which some present day scientists are so totally (May I add scientifically ignorant of?) An Emotional body houses our very ephemeral feelings. A Mental Body holds unknown quantities of practical or not, thought forms that await registration by the human receiver: the brain. The “Spiritual” Field holds within themselves uncountable belief systems communicating levels of knowledge abounding. Waiting for an old generation of 3D interpreters to either wake up😂 or move on over for the next world, the quantum world, to take its place in the progression of humankind. It is happening - only a matter of time, so to speak🎉 for the call to be heard!
All things in perspective, I believe we can qualify this conversation as in the realm of historic, given the timing of these two illumined minds, bridging science and consciousness in pioneering ways.
For me, Space/Time is not a dimension or anything else, but a catalyst (our reality that we live in) that allows things to happen in our reality.
human brain does not perceive consciousness / reality (at least not directly), when producing consciousness what is it aware of?
maybe something different than science and mathematics describes consciousness?
Donald & Rupert, Thank you!. Your views are profound and I'm glad I've found them. I also appreciate the way that you explain them in a visual sense. I have a question for you Donald. If we only see a fraction of the truth, is it possible that Bluetooth Airpods and the EM frequency that they operate on, may be understudied, underestimated & possibly too strong our brains?
153K views is amazing. That many people interested...or maybe a few of us have watched it 100x? This conversation is amazing. I'm hanging on by my fingernails with Donald but experientially "understand" Rupert's words. Love hearing both sides.
Wow! Two of my favorites. The world could sure benefit from hearing more conversations from people like these two.
What Rupert and Donald is talking about is nothing but the same thing Gaudapada spoke about in Māṇḍukya Kārikā and later helped by commentaries by Adi sankara, about 1700 years ago. It's astonishing, how scientific study of the mind was carried out way before any scientific methodologies were available, and the funny part is - we haven't progressed an inch!
This was simply spectacular. What a treat. Deep gratitude to all three of you gentlemen🙏♥
human brain perceives matter from conscious reality?
22:57 "We are going to get tecknology beyond space time"
Aboriginal : do you mean that you will recognize our spirituality as a technique for the intangible?
Of course, there is an answer. Less thinking, more being. The story is Unconditional Love. It is a state that accepts everything as it is and lets everything happen as everything is inferior. Infinite exploration of existence is made possible by this Ultimate State. There is nothing to be afraid of. Fear is an illusion. Besides, separating Consciousness and the dimensions through which It manifests is an ontological error. This is One Whole - Sat (Being) Chit (Consciousness) Ananda (Bliss / Peace). One becomes many to experience Itself in infinite ways of existence. But here, you need to go meta/mystic and leave the conceptual mind aside.
I can appreciate Donald Hoffman's desire to utilize the tool that is mind to play via scientific study.
However Rupert Spira, I appreciate the simplicity of the truth that just IS w/o question.
The conundrum is that science (both technical & social science) is relentless questioning yet useful on the stage of life.
Perhaps to go back and forth btwn sleep and wakefulness is the grand play on this small scale.
I am so happy and excited....when I listened last night to Donald talking to Lex Fridman I wrote a comment suggesting they check out the work of Rupert Spira....and low and behold when i awake the universe has been at work! A FB link showed me they had already met. This is super exciting. I am a comparative theologian writing my dissertation about NDEs, altered states of consciousness and Vajrayana philosophy. Research into Consciousness absolutely needs to be inter disciplinary.... scientists, religious studies, philosophy of religion scholars, process theologians and experts in dharma studies, need to have discussions together because we need many minds here, many perspectives to understand how consciousness operates. Blessings to everyone especially Rupert and Don. Thank you.
I'm fairly positive an NDE is exactly the same as an OBE.
What a great interview! ❤❤
I have been going on to my friends and family about Donald Hoffman for ages, and after a while their eyes glaze over and I realise I’m not getting through.Maybe it’s the phrase “ space and time is doomed” that puts them off 😊.
Does anyone know of a discussion group or meeting in East Sussex, England that talks about this stuff.
Would love to discuss the implications and possibilities of these theories.
As always a thrilling mind blowing discussion.
Thank you so much.
If it's hard for you who lives in England, imagine how hard is to find anyone here in Brazil, who has some kind of interest in these topics. At least we got Bernardo kastrup, who works with Donald Hoffman, and that gives me hope that we can find someone who likes to think about these "big questions"
I have my daughter to talk to. I'm grateful.
I had a near death experience many years ago, and ever since I woke up I've known I'm not my body. It is good to hear wiser people back my experience.
Very cool. I watch a lot of NDE’s on TH-cam.
OBE s will get you there. 😊
Incredible conversation. Thank you
At about 1:28 the paradox Mr. Hoffman refers to is discussed in Michel Henry’s chapter The paradoxes of Christianity in his book I am the Truth ~ Henry was a French philosopher late 20 c