In most states if your car is under warranty and they don’t fix it in 3 attempts you can get a free lawyer under moss magnusun (sp?) breach of warranty claim. You should be able to get at least $4k and it’s completely free if you win or lose (the law mandates the manufacturer pays your lawyer). I did this for a car I owned, dealership gave me the run around also.
You could still get a consultation, even if you fix it they owe you. It’s worth a shot. I’m not a lawyer or affiliated with any firms, just hate when companies screw their customers.
Same things happened to me. I have 2012 X5 diesel. Got that check engine light with exhaust system codes. Been to a BMW dealer, they were clearing codes, I get my car back. drive 2 days and light comes back on, I go back to the dealer, they clear codes again, replace CO2 sensor, light comes back next day, I go back- they do the same thing. It continued up until my warranty expired (by 20 miles) and they say, well we need to change EGR and parts of exhaust system but you have to pay for it now 😡. Tried to reason with them that I came way before warranty ended, but they claimed it was a different problem... So, frustrated. Even tried to call BMW, got no response.. Drove for a while went to a local shop who showed bunch of exhaust system failure codes and said its cheaper to buy a new car than fix this one. I did not expected it from BMW... Thanks for a great video!
@@L8R-HP Not to be surprised next time. You probably need to try Attorney General's Office and call BWM to have a case there. BWM has a very toxic culture and their service ppl constantly lie to the customers. Most of them don't have good knowledge of diesel cars as well.
The EPA will not do anything. I called them about my X5 35d and they said that manufacturers should design the emissions so they are good for at least 120 000 miles, but they have no way of enforcement. Basically they said BMW should do the work but only if they want to. EPA is powerless in this matter. So even if they see this video, nothing will happen.
Hey, great video, thank you! I am curious what tune you used before removing the DPF? Looking for something that will clear my CEL while (hopefully) improving HP & MPG. I am also in North Carolina (Raleigh) any advice on where to bring the car would be great as well. Thanks!
Did you do a DPF regeneration followed by a reset of the values (you will need a good quality 2 way communication scanner for this, Launch/Autel/SnapOn etc)? Have you checked the values of the diff pressure sensor for the DPF on the scanner? An efficiency code is generally picked up by the pressure differential across the DPF being outside programmed limits. A faulty sensor could also cause this.
So you did the software delete or tune first. Can you drive without physically delete dpf and scr first. I am going to do the same thing but just want to make sure it is ok to do like that. tjx
I have same issue with my dpf, car is out of warranty do you suggestthe same work around for my car it x1 diesel. The error codes I am getting are 480a , 481A , 4391
@@L8R-HP You took care of the problem, but they aren't the same thing. DPF was perfectly fine unless you cleared codes for it before the video. The SCR is the bit further down you tapped on. Not uncommon for the NOx sensors to go and give you the efficiency code. Either way, you'll never have those worries again, lol.
How the hell did you get that clamp back on the catalytic converter? I have to change my clamp and gasket, so I’m try to see the best way to go about it
I have a BMW 2012 x5 xdrive 35d, I am having the same problem that you had. Can you do the same for my car then replace the glow plugs and the controller?
Glow plugs and GCU, you can do at home w basic tools, some free time, lots of patience and lots of choice words. At least that was the case for my wife’s 2012 35d. When it came to my 2012 35d, it wasn’t as bad.
Haha we have saws all’s for days, wanted to keep it original. That’s why I didn’t order the down pipe. Also it works as a muffler now and it’s not as loud. It is straight piped, but looks original 🤩
@@L8R-HP It's too late now obviously, but should you ever have a similar situation, you can cut the side of the DPF open, leave the front section which is the catalytic converter, and remove the rear section which is the DPF. Weld it back up, tune it to shut off the DPF, and it looks original while having the cat portion still in place to largely get rid of any exhaust smell.
@@L8R-HP Thank you! Wondered because I switched to Liqui Moly Longtime High Tech 5W-30, had to add a quart within a couple of months, and now again, but it’s almost due…Seen in many forums that people switch to Shell Rotella T6 and Mobil Delvac
Removing it and deleting DPF puts you at risk for $25000 EPA fines !!! The reason the dealer won't replace the DPF under warranty is that your vehicle was most likely burning oil or coolant which will clog a new DPF in a short time. The engine damage that creates coolant and small oil leaks is related to not doing regular EGR/mass airflow sensor and intake system cleaning. The mass air sensor gets clogged with soot from dirty exhaust and when mass air sensor gets covered it reads incorrect and causes EGR valve to operate erratically or stay open or closed , if it stays in one position too longit will get built up with soot and carbon and get stuck in that position. If it stays open well engine is put under load it will overheat the EGR cooler ,the head, the turbo etc . And overheated had may cause head gasket leaks an overheated turbo may cause oil leaks into the combustion which will then clog the DPF filter
@@L8R-HP I agree they are engineered to fail without specific and constant cleaning maintenance and if your higher mileage engine has small leaks like regular blow by in the rings it will cause failures
@@riddjo I’ve had a bunch of sprinter vans. They had issues with def since new. It’s always something with def. Drivers are stranded across the country with 0 starts remaining 🤦🏻♂️ Most government vehicles don’t use DEF. Weird 🤔
@@L8R-HPI don't disagree with you at all for deleting the system. I was just saying if they come looking it can be crazy fines !!! They won't know on yours by looking at it but if they pull out the temperature gun and check the components they will know. The unreliability of these systems is the same in the trucking industry ninety percent of the problems are DPF EGR mass air sensor NOx sensor problems and def dosing or pump problems. Overall it doesn't look like emission systems create environmental efficiency. Every heavy vehicle that has an emission system is using 2 to 4 miles per gallon more fuel because of the restriction it creates in the exhaust and it causes engine breakdown prematurely due to heat and carbon build up inside the motor & valve train. Older truck diesel engines used to run for up to 2 million miles before a rebuild was necessary. Today's truck motors cannot make it past 600,000 MIles without huge failures and massive amounts of money spent on emissions repairs.
You obviously know nothing about how the car's emission system functions. Code 4D16 has nothing to do with the DPF. It is caused by a bad NOX sensor. All you had to do was replace those. Instead you have broken federal and state laws re emission modifications.
Putting a disclaimer that you're only using these vehicles off-road or for racing means nothing to the EPA. If a car came with a emssion components it's ilegal to remove it for any reason. I would caution this type of content they're really starting to crack down
Until you need a $30k battery replaced, and a small loan to pay your power bill 😅, Electric cars aren’t bad, for local driving, I drive a lot, there is no electric car that can fit my schedule and miles I travel.
@@L8R-HP The mis information that ppl seem to spread never ceases to amaze me. When it comes to Tesla: 1. Battery pack is supposed to last the life of the vehicle. Close to 1 mill miles. If after that not getting full 100% state of charge (which is normal) and only getting 40 or 50% in range compared to new after 3/4 of a million miles bothers you then you can replay the pack (by that time the cost to replace will be much much cheaper. 2. Electricity is cheap. Your utility bill if regularly charge at home the vehicle will increase by $20-$30 per bill... How much in savings will this be for you compared to Fuel charges you pay a month? (Not to mention savings in maintenance costs aswell.) 3. You can travel anywhere in a Tesla as they are the only ones today still with a dedicated network of super chargers. U literally can go anywhere with 0 issues. Again all the above applies to Tesla. I can't say the same about an other manufacturer and the ev's they are producing. If buying an ev it doesn't make sense to buy anything other then a tesla tbh.. I mean why buy an inferior product when you can have the best from the best and at a much lower cost.
@@xrpo.g6855 going full electric will never make sense, hybrids sure. Full electric is ok if all you need is to runs to a store to get milk, but when you travel 3-5k miles a week sometimes you will spend half your life at a charging station. No one has time for that. Hybrid ok. Bi-Fuel ok. Full electric, good luck when the power goes out.
@@L8R-HP It takes 30 mins to charge from 0 - 80% at a super charger. If your travelling far you need to stop to eat and use the bathroom anyway.... thats when you would charge and continue on your way. The car tells you how much u need to charge to continue on. u don't have to sit and wait 30mins if you don't want to. as long as you have enough charge to get to your next stop along the way to your destination you are fine.. Ice vehicles are like a horse and carriage now. Thing of the past. Hybrids are a gimmick. Pointless.
@@xrpo.g6855 you can say whatever you want but, there’s is gas stations everywhere you go! Can’t say the same for chargers! We still not there on infrastructure to compete whit gas/diesel!
In most states if your car is under warranty and they don’t fix it in 3 attempts you can get a free lawyer under moss magnusun (sp?) breach of warranty claim. You should be able to get at least $4k and it’s completely free if you win or lose (the law mandates the manufacturer pays your lawyer). I did this for a car I owned, dealership gave me the run around also.
This is good info, thank you! Wish I knew earlier. Will know for next time 👍
You could still get a consultation, even if you fix it they owe you. It’s worth a shot. I’m not a lawyer or affiliated with any firms, just hate when companies screw their customers.
Same things happened to me. I have 2012 X5 diesel. Got that check engine light with exhaust system codes. Been to a BMW dealer, they were clearing codes, I get my car back. drive 2 days and light comes back on, I go back to the dealer, they clear codes again, replace CO2 sensor, light comes back next day, I go back- they do the same thing. It continued up until my warranty expired (by 20 miles) and they say, well we need to change EGR and parts of exhaust system but you have to pay for it now 😡. Tried to reason with them that I came way before warranty ended, but they claimed it was a different problem... So, frustrated. Even tried to call BMW, got no response.. Drove for a while went to a local shop who showed bunch of exhaust system failure codes and said its cheaper to buy a new car than fix this one. I did not expected it from BMW... Thanks for a great video!
Yea it’s crazy. 😣
@@L8R-HP Not to be surprised next time. You probably need to try Attorney General's Office and call BWM to have a case there. BWM has a very toxic culture and their service ppl constantly lie to the customers. Most of them don't have good knowledge of diesel cars as well.
Look for the Adam Smith comment, 3 x times failed fix then a free lawyer u der"a lemon law" to get compensation
Good job on your project. I am sure you're now enjoying a more dynamic, powerful X5d that is more fuel efficient as well.
The EPA will not do anything. I called them about my X5 35d and they said that manufacturers should design the emissions so they are good for at least 120 000 miles, but they have no way of enforcement. Basically they said BMW should do the work but only if they want to. EPA is powerless in this matter. So even if they see this video, nothing will happen.
North Carolina doesn't check emissions on diesels they only do a safety inspection.
Put your seat belt on 👍
Hey, great video, thank you! I am curious what tune you used before removing the DPF? Looking for something that will clear my CEL while (hopefully) improving HP & MPG. I am also in North Carolina (Raleigh) any advice on where to bring the car would be great as well. Thanks!
Did you do a DPF regeneration followed by a reset of the values (you will need a good quality 2 way communication scanner for this, Launch/Autel/SnapOn etc)? Have you checked the values of the diff pressure sensor for the DPF on the scanner? An efficiency code is generally picked up by the pressure differential across the DPF being outside programmed limits. A faulty sensor could also cause this.
No dpf no problems 😅
Should of just dropped subframe alil. Shit going to be throwing some codes now
So you did the software delete or tune first. Can you drive without physically delete dpf and scr first.
I am going to do the same thing but just want to make sure it is ok to do like that. tjx
If your DPF filter is clogged and you keep driving it could get so hot and catch fire.
Their are shops that will clean your dpf and flow test it cost is usually around 360$ removal and reinstall is a pain though. Just a option.
Why would I do that if the vehicle is still under warranty? BMW messed up, they should of replaced it.
It’s too late for any of the it’s ruined now. Buy aftermarket and carry on you must of messed your warranty up
Aren't cars with DPF meant to be driven on a HWY for a few 100 miles once a month at 80 /90 mph so the DOF can regenerate .?
20 min of highway driving should regenerate is if the system is working properly
Omg ! Avoided the real problem, just created more.
I know right 😅😂 mpg is amazing now
Did you recognize more "siren" sound from turbo after removing the dpf?
This check engine dash light turned off on its own after your hard work?
After tune yes, no lights on dash 👍
I have same issue with my dpf, car is out of warranty do you suggestthe same work around for my car it x1 diesel. The error codes I am getting are 480a , 481A , 4391
With that process did you sensors or are you running with them all connected?
Everything is connected. But it is tuned for off road use
Ok I have a 2009 335d wat will be a good tuned for it
According to what regulations do you expect a warranty at 118,000 miles?
Emissions warranty was extended on these to 118k
EPA extended warranty. Look it up . Forced manufacturers to extend warranty for any emissions related issues or failures .
How does one find a shop that "potholes"?
So what are they saying the problem is?
They kept replacing sensors until it was over $5k in labor and vehicle was out of warranty….
@@L8R-HP did you ever call BMW and get the regional Director involved?
Did you have to get a new tune for it ? Do any codes show now?
Yes new tune. No codes. No issues. Great MPG
@@L8R-HPwhat tune?
@@jeremy22b custom off road tune
@@L8R-HP I appreciate the response
4D16 is and SCR issue not a DPF issue.
Same thing. Puts car in limp mode, bmw didn’t want to fix it under warranty is the whole point here. Won’t be a problem ever again tho 😂😅
@@L8R-HP You took care of the problem, but they aren't the same thing. DPF was perfectly fine unless you cleared codes for it before the video. The SCR is the bit further down you tapped on. Not uncommon for the NOx sensors to go and give you the efficiency code.
Either way, you'll never have those worries again, lol.
What tune did you use?
How many hours were involved?
2-3
@@L8R-HP You're hired! Did you do full delete, EGR, DPF, SCR?
How the hell did you get that clamp back on the catalytic converter? I have to change my clamp and gasket, so I’m try to see the best way to go about it
I used a light amount of Grease to keep the gasket in place. The clamp was a pain and took a while to get in place, it’s not easy but possible 😀
I have a BMW 2012 x5 xdrive 35d, I am having the same problem that you had. Can you do the same for my car then replace the glow plugs and the controller?
Glow plugs and GCU, you can do at home w basic tools, some free time, lots of patience and lots of choice words. At least that was the case for my wife’s 2012 35d. When it came to my 2012 35d, it wasn’t as bad.
How did it pass emissions check though for license renewal? I’d love to do this to mine.
Not all states require emission check.
I'm guessing this won't pass smog in CA?
Nope
Maybe invest in a sawsall and cut out the dpf instead of moving all the the stuff to get at it....Straight pipe it
Haha we have saws all’s for days, wanted to keep it original. That’s why I didn’t order the down pipe. Also it works as a muffler now and it’s not as loud. It is straight piped, but looks original 🤩
@@L8R-HP It's too late now obviously, but should you ever have a similar situation, you can cut the side of the DPF open, leave the front section which is the catalytic converter, and remove the rear section which is the DPF. Weld it back up, tune it to shut off the DPF, and it looks original while having the cat portion still in place to largely get rid of any exhaust smell.
@@nate0031you’re 💯 % correct. Should have left the cat portion at the start and just deleted the DPF section .
Try another dealer I have the same problem with my BMW under a warranty issue. Also contact BMW directly on their 800 number.
No one has time to contact the 800 # when the same problem will appear in a month
What oil and filter combo do you recommend once this is done?
I still use the BMW recommended oil and filter on this one.
@@L8R-HP Thank you! Wondered because I switched to Liqui Moly Longtime High Tech 5W-30, had to add a quart within a couple of months, and now again, but it’s almost due…Seen in many forums that people switch to Shell Rotella T6 and Mobil Delvac
@@DennyFrenchNetwork o ok. How many miles do you have? This one has 120k miles. Never have to add oil between changes.
@@L8R-HP we have about the same mileage, however, one day the on board computer shows one thing abs the next day everything seems to be fine 🤦♂️
@@DennyFrenchNetwork could be just a dirty speed sensor. I’ve had that on my older e39 BMW and just cleaned all 4 speed sensors and no problems
i have the same problem with mine
There is two turbos on my 335d surprised there is not one on a x5
There’s two on some X5’s
Removing it and deleting DPF puts you at risk for $25000 EPA fines !!!
The reason the dealer won't replace the DPF under warranty is that your vehicle was most likely burning oil or coolant which will clog a new DPF in a short time. The engine damage that creates coolant and small oil leaks is related to not doing regular EGR/mass airflow sensor and intake system cleaning. The mass air sensor gets clogged with soot from dirty exhaust and when mass air sensor gets covered it reads incorrect and causes EGR valve to operate erratically or stay open or closed , if it stays in one position too longit will get built up with soot and carbon and get stuck in that position. If it stays open well engine is put under load it will overheat the EGR cooler ,the head, the turbo etc . And overheated had may cause head gasket leaks an overheated turbo may cause oil leaks into the combustion which will then clog the DPF filter
Wrong. Spent more then 25k on repairing def. What’s another $25k am I right 😂
Def system is a joke, they don’t work and leave people stranded.
@@L8R-HP I agree they are engineered to fail without specific and constant cleaning maintenance and if your higher mileage engine has small leaks like regular blow by in the rings it will cause failures
@@riddjo I’ve had a bunch of sprinter vans. They had issues with def since new. It’s always something with def. Drivers are stranded across the country with 0 starts remaining 🤦🏻♂️
Most government vehicles don’t use DEF. Weird 🤔
@@L8R-HPI don't disagree with you at all for deleting the system. I was just saying if they come looking it can be crazy fines !!!
They won't know on yours by looking at it but if they pull out the temperature gun and check the components they will know.
The unreliability of these systems is the same in the trucking industry ninety percent of the problems are DPF EGR mass air sensor NOx sensor problems and def dosing or pump problems.
Overall it doesn't look like emission systems create environmental efficiency. Every heavy vehicle that has an emission system is using 2 to 4 miles per gallon more fuel because of the restriction it creates in the exhaust and it causes engine breakdown prematurely due to heat and carbon build up inside the motor & valve train.
Older truck diesel engines used to run for up to 2 million miles before a rebuild was necessary. Today's truck motors cannot make it past 600,000 MIles without huge failures and massive amounts of money spent on emissions repairs.
waranty after 11 years?
@@DoubleD455 yes. Emissions warranty.
What shop i this please
You obviously know nothing about how the car's emission system functions. Code 4D16 has nothing to do with the DPF. It is caused by a bad NOX sensor. All you had to do was replace those. Instead you have broken federal and state laws re emission modifications.
Couldn’t care less. Dealer replaced the NOX sensor 3 times and some other stuff. Bill was around $8,000 in 6 weeks. If filter is clogged it’s clogged.
Hi guys i need do tha in my bmw
EPA says you can’t. This was only for testing. Sorry. Thank the epa for that….
Putting a disclaimer that you're only using these vehicles off-road or for racing means nothing to the EPA. If a car came with a emssion components it's ilegal to remove it for any reason. I would caution this type of content they're really starting to crack down
Couldn’t care less 🤷🏼♂️ they should crack down on the dealers for having shitty service. Im here to void warranties for life
Hey fellas do you have contact info, the link on you home page sends you somewhere that doesn't seem like your thing.
But as I look again... might be your business? Either way if you will can I have some contact info. And you're located in North Carolina?
SUS
😂🤣
How long did that process take?
@@bobtefft8536 almost a full day 🤦🏻♂️
@@L8R-HP do you have contact info?
How do you do delete?
Get rid of it and get a Tesla. Will never need to worry about anything ever again and will save you in maintenence & fuel over the yrs of ownership.
Until you need a $30k battery replaced, and a small loan to pay your power bill 😅,
Electric cars aren’t bad, for local driving, I drive a lot, there is no electric car that can fit my schedule and miles I travel.
@@L8R-HP The mis information that ppl seem to spread never ceases to amaze me.
When it comes to Tesla: 1. Battery pack is supposed to last the life of the vehicle. Close to 1 mill miles. If after that not getting full 100% state of charge (which is normal) and only getting 40 or 50% in range compared to new after 3/4 of a million miles bothers you then you can replay the pack (by that time the cost to replace will be much much cheaper.
2. Electricity is cheap. Your utility bill if regularly charge at home the vehicle will increase by $20-$30 per bill... How much in savings will this be for you compared to Fuel charges you pay a month? (Not to mention savings in maintenance costs aswell.)
3. You can travel anywhere in a Tesla as they are the only ones today still with a dedicated network of super chargers. U literally can go anywhere with 0 issues.
Again all the above applies to Tesla. I can't say the same about an other manufacturer and the ev's they are producing. If buying an ev it doesn't make sense to buy anything other then a tesla tbh.. I mean why buy an inferior product when you can have the best from the best and at a much lower cost.
@@xrpo.g6855 going full electric will never make sense, hybrids sure. Full electric is ok if all you need is to runs to a store to get milk, but when you travel 3-5k miles a week sometimes you will spend half your life at a charging station. No one has time for that. Hybrid ok. Bi-Fuel ok. Full electric, good luck when the power goes out.
@@L8R-HP It takes 30 mins to charge from 0 - 80% at a super charger. If your travelling far you need to stop to eat and use the bathroom anyway.... thats when you would charge and continue on your way. The car tells you how much u need to charge to continue on. u don't have to sit and wait 30mins if you don't want to. as long as you have enough charge to get to your next stop along the way to your destination you are fine.. Ice vehicles are like a horse and carriage now. Thing of the past. Hybrids are a gimmick. Pointless.
@@xrpo.g6855 you can say whatever you want but, there’s is gas stations everywhere you go! Can’t say the same for chargers!
We still not there on infrastructure to compete whit gas/diesel!