Download Tacticus and unlock the Tyranid Neurothrope now : play.tacticusgame.com/majorkill_neurothrope Big shout out to Paint_newb for the incredible artworks and high quality lore synopsis for the Lion El' Heresy paint_newb : instagram.com/paint_newb/?hl=en www.artstation.com/chank0211 This was not done in collaboration with Paint_newb, more so me wanting to do a Lion El' Heresy for a while now and the happy coincidence of him pouring his heart and soul into a similar concept. Obviously there is alot of details and characters missing as well as some questionable motives due to how compressed the video was trying to fit all the main details but I hope it was entertaining!
Imma be real, I don't like how you made Vulkan a daemon prince. Him consuming an Avatar of Khaine was very interesting, so the daemonic ascension sounded redundant. Aside from that, most of the scinerio was amazing, even if it had its rough spots. We need the whole story, Majorkill! We need the whole story!
scary is an understatement, sanguinius after battling the entire force of chaos + khorne greater demon he still manage to banished demon angron imagine prime + chaos boosted sanguinius, hell literaly become the 5th chaos god in term of power
@@deusvult6164 I'd like to think Khorne loves him for it. That he can see what Angron should have been; his honor, compassion and willingness to fight anything regardless of the odds for what he saw as right and just. Sees his own corruption with what self-awareness a Choas god can have in how he was born to those ideals and twisted into what he is by the savagery of mortal actions and their refection upon him. Dumb as fuck, I know, but I'd like to the Chaos gods are still affected by their origin. Tzeentch is happy eve to be twarted, Nurgle's just a good guy doing his best and Khorne still hating people that kill the easy, weak kills. After all, for all the saying is "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows" he clearly and objectively does.
I like how alt heresies give Lucius' scars a different origin, from Roboutian a reminder of the torture horror the Druhkari can inflict, to Alternatus to the nightmarish scenario that was the Istvaan massacre.
That's kinda catches third legion as I always wanted them to be, presenting they "pursuit of perfection" as the least numerous legion but each one of them being an absolute beast. In a way as custodes are.
You know, I like how this version of the Heresy isn't just "hey, what if everyone's role was reversed" but actually had some major shakeups to later events as well. Like with Rogal becoming an renegade instead of a true traitor, the slight civil war among the traitors when the Emperor backed up Horus, Malcador living, and Magnus becoming the primarch of the Grey Knights.
Except is it plagued by dozens of "Lol role reversed" parts with Russ being especially pathetic in that regard. Tzeentch doesn't reflect a single thing about his personality or his Legion at all.
@@grimnir8872 Really feels like he got short-end of the stick in that Khorn already wanted Sanguinius, so the most fitting chaos god for the angry wolf was already taken. Slannesh and nurgle make even less sense, but playing with the 'totally not magic' his people use, and his people changing shape into wolves as being marked by Tzeench... it's not great but I see why they made it that way for the retelling. I agree that it feels the weakest of all the reversals
@@grimnir8872 Leman hates psykers while coming up with the most asinine defence for his own psykers while having a legion filled with the potential to mutate and Russ having his own innate psychic powers. Doesn't help that he was tricked an ungodly number of times and didn't do what he claimed to do. The Emperor's Executioner thing was an entirely self-proclaimed title. He almost killed Horus but hesitated because he felt bad. Meanwhile, he didn't hesitate to snap Magnus over his fucking knee or burn his fucking homeworld to the ground. This doesn't mention that his legion was given literal animal DNA. Tzeentch could literally turn all of them into werewolves. He is prime material for Tzeentch.
To be fair I've always seen the space wolves as Traitors not necessarily as in worshipping chaos but in the true sense of the word. They betrayed their brothers of the thousand sons I have no doubt in my mind Magnus did not do anything intentionally wrong and had he contacted the Emperor in time, the Emperor wouldn't have approved the slaughter of the thousand sons and betrayal of the Space wolves.
@@grimnir8872 I like to imagine tzentch getting Sanguinus just to piss of khorne, so Khorne ends up with leman. Similar to how khorne wanted sanguinius but got angron
@@thenoicesoldier4817 Come now. I think we all know the WB would have been better than the Black Templars. And their hebrew/arabic thing would have been cooler than the knight crusader thing imo (I mean if I'm not mistaken and they do have a hebrew/arabic thing going)
@@punec I have a degree in Anthropology so please let me vomit information at you :) he has elements of early Christianity, traditional Judaism, and Golden Age Islam. With him having the Turkish features of the Emperor, it definitely adds that "mysterious Middle Eastern religion" vibe. Think Exodus era Judaism mixed with the high culture of the Islamic nations under the Caliphs (during the era of the European Dark Age). Add crusader era Christianity fanaticism (back when men were men and unbelievers were purged) lmao As a Roman Catholic I LOVE the Word Bearers lmao 🤣😹
My headcanon is that for Rylanor, he was more than willing to stay behind on Istvaan so Fulgrim could escape with the others but Fulgrim made him leave. "You are Rylanor, the Ancient of Rites. The legion still needs you, but not as a martyr."
That’s something I really want to know for the rest of the character like him did they stay loyal or turn Like sigesman did he stay with dorn or tuned on him
@@sev1120Even better; as the centuries pass, Bjorn slowly begins to succumb to the Curse of the Wulfen, morphing into this horrifying abomination of a techno-organic werewolf, leading to a massive wolf-on-wolf battle between the Daemon Primarch and his twisted but loyal son.
@@TheCorrodedMan or another idea: Bjorn fully succumbs DURING the battle with Russ, devastated by what his primarch has become, and in this moment of grief and hatred, that is when the curse takes over. And it is then said that all those who hunt the tainted russ, are guided by a great wolf through the heavens, one whose fury could devour gods themselves, whose maw can consume suns. Bjorn the Fell-Handed, becomes Bjorn the Ravener (a reference to one of Fenrir's epithets in Norse mythology)
I think it would be extremely fitting if both rylanor and fulgrim hold off whilst horus and conrad retreat with their legions. Instead of rylanors last stand in cannon it would be the emperors children, primarch and sons loyal to the end to protect the emperor
"I choose to make my stand go Rylanor preserve the memory of the ancient go with my brothers forces GO NOW!!" "Father, there is no other place in the galaxy for me to die than by your side" "I am a proud child of the emperor and I am honored to be your son"
@@adrienwatson2179 "I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children, Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host and a Proud Son of Fulgrim the Phoenixian, beloved by ALL. I choose my last stand and death NOW AND ALWAYS!" Said Rylanor, before using the Virus Bomb in the ruins of the Emperor's Pride against the traitors.
It makes basically no sense, it would arguably make more sense for Russ and the Space Wolves to fall to Nurgle to oppose the supreme Tzeentch favouritism the Thousand Sons have. You could easily write a scenario where Russ's assault on prospero utterly fails, and Magnus predicts the fleet in orbit, casting a great spell to hurl them into the warp. Stuck there, Russ' legion shares the fate of the Death Guard, swearing an oath of defiance and Revenge which Nurgle answers, casting the Space Wolves onto the planet as Drauger-like Plague Wolves.
There's so many alternative heresies now in fanfiction, like Halloween costumes in Buffy fanfic it's its own genre by now. Personally I like the ones where we get a mix of Traitors and Loyalists. Not just a reversal. Or the ones where the Heresy did not happen. Imperium Ascendant!
@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium The tl;Dr version is basically that the Emperor makes a huge pivot and decides to ascend to become a full Warp God, sacrificing countless lives and probably the Primarchs too Primarchs rebel en masse against the Emperor to stop him.
What an amazing alternative timeline, legit had goosebumps while watching this video since my personal rankings of the primarchs would basically be flipped upside down
I don't like it. The Lion is too cool of a Primarch to turn traitor. Simple as. The Horus Heresy in canon is decent enough writing for me. Dornian Heresy is my favorite alt history
You know if the cannon eventually gets too stale they can always have some event that Thanos snaps them to pre heresy and new information given that misdirects and sets the gears in motion for something like this.
You ought to look into the “Fulgrimian” Heresy next, it’s well developed, far more Primarchs remain loyal than traitor (Morti, Horus, Perturabo remain loyal while the Khan and Manus go traitor).
magnus being given the grey knights is honestly a pretty badass detail even if it is unthinkable inside the boundaries of the established lore it would also save the grey knights from the shackles of the inquisition, as they had a real leader that was far above them, like the other astartes chapters.
Also with malcador alive, the inquistion would be less....asburd. It's likely Malcador would guide the inquistors from the shadows and prevent the order from becoming too zealous.
@@scorpiowarrior7841the inquisition on this timeline would be found by Lorgar instead of Dorn and with Marcador and Lorgar alive, it would be less wacky and way more effective than canon.
That means Ollanius Pius didn’t get slammed and instead lives! Meaning, we could see even more adventures with him- as he makes his way through fighting with each imperial guard regiment; inspiring legends of an unknown soldier who comes from no regiment, but without fail; aids the imperial guard in losing wars, showing a level of skill compared to or even above a commissar, perhaps even at the level of an astartes. . While only armed with the everyday lasgun and dressed in only the dirtiest of flak armor. . . Defeating hordes of foes with just these items, and commanding those who were at the brink of destruction to *Hold The Line.*
@@csmrookie9600 Well thing is he's no ordinary man... Ollanius *Persson* has been with Big E since he grew to adulthood many millennia ago when they were both a couple of proto-hittites that happened to be perpetuals. When the emperor met Erda, they together went on adventures with their newly formed army with Ollanius being referred to by the emperor as... *His warmaster* Yes, Ollanius Pious is technically the original warmaster of the emperor.
@lukeBryen2 Fair, but I argue he does not need to be a living saint with him as a perpetual, since it brings forth a cool storyline of him appearing before the emperor himself and instead filling the role of the average soldier. We could probably even see him on the other side of this spectrum, as he may be recruited by Rogal Dorn to fight for him, since he always fought on the losing side of a war at most times.
@@csmrookie9600But at the same time, him gaining a Living Saint ability may grant him powers he never had as a normal Perpetual. He could appear on any world, at any time, helping any war, rather than being held down by needing to physically go somewhere. Oh also, and I didn't see the Guardsmen as Ollanius Pious, but as Ollanius Piers, a Guardsmen who stood alone against Angron and even tried to kill him. What clued me in was the Banner he holds, and wearing Imperial Army gear. This Ollanius is the one who says "Defend him as he defends us!" Just my own interpretation. Edit: Pierce to Piers. OH and the gun is actually one to one with Piers gun, Ol Betsy.
@@ultramarinescaptain3840 I see. Though anyways, as a living saint I bet he wouldn't have angel wings but came in a flash of golden light and draped in golden guardsman armor. From there you can see him display his absolute killy power from fighting as a soldier of many wars and armies. . . Displaying a level of skill that is equal to the Black Lucifers or even Custodians.
We need a part 2 to this. It’s great that an alternative heresy leads to a lot more living and loyal primarchs who are active. Guilliman won’t stand a chance.
that is interesting, I say It would still be a match If the Chaos gods Give him Full Support and not half assing him, with Insane Management, logistics and Organization skill, a man who can turn Legions Into champions against The Imperium.
Seeing as in this scenario he represents Chaos Undivided, it'd be pretty cool to see how Guilliman would perform if his abilities are used against the Imperium. He's not driven mad, or signing an obligation to spill as much blood as possible, so as he's arguably the best Primarch when it comes to organised warfare, I think he could be a much bigger problem for the Imperium than the Black Legion ended up being
An alternate universe where the Black Templars are a Word Bearer successor chapter and they use the flaming body of Erebeus as a unit standard would be badass af😊
I feel like there could be a very heartfelt scene in this where chaos and khorne attempt to turn angron after ultramar, saying his father does not love him. Only for angron's reply to be that he knows, he hates his father. But his love of his brothers far outshines his hatred of his father. And while he would betray his father. He would never betray a brother
What if the worst alternate heresy is when nobody turns traitor and things get even worse than any one warmaster could ever do. Like the golden throne is completed and it just lets the chaos Pantheon step into real space.
@@ezonplays2260 i know, I was just thinking of a big heckin doozy to explain my concept. Probably for the best they cant cross over because GW would have to do some dragon ball z level stuff just to keep it from being an instant game over.
There was a version where the Emperor completed the webway project, only for him too late to realize that he's acting according to Chaos' grand plan and unintentionally unleashed Chaos Undivided all over Terra - The Emperor and his Custodes would be corrupted, but all his sons scattered throughout the galaxy, would remain Loyalists.
A video on Lorgar actually dying from Corvus and theorizing how the Heresy would go afterwards would be very interesting. I see it as a victory for the Loyalists where the Emperor never gets stuck on the Golden Throne. There would be no Daemon Prince Angron, potentially no Ruinstorm, and a less devastating Shadow Crusade
@@peterthepeter7523 In theory sure. Hence why I said "potentially" no Ruinstorm. I sure as crap don't see either of them turning Angron into a Daemon Prince but Erebus would still probably try to make Kharn the Champion of Khorne. The Word Bearers Legion I feel would also end up split like it became post-Heresy in canon as both Kor Phaeron and Erebus try to overtake the other for control of the Legion
The big problem with the Loyalists winning and more specifically the Emperor not ending up on the Throne, is that the Emperor can finish the Webway Project and humanity likely never forms the Ecclesiarchy, and also technology likely doesn't suffer nearly as bad. So in other words, humanity wins 40k, at least until the Tyranids arrive. But even then, the Emperor could possibly see the Tyranids coming, and begin to prepare for them thousands of years in advance
@@anthony2678The Reason the Emperor dedicated his Custodians and Sisters of Silence to the Battle of the Webway for as long as he did was in the slight chance he could salvage it and repair the damage. The reason he then chose to withdraw his forces from it was due to him realizing that it was no longer possible to repair the Webway damage. What a Noblebright setting there could have been
Why i feel like if Vulkan ever became traitor his plans would be like: "Guys i got an idea, when its night, we put uncofortable pillows in the imperium's citiziens houses, so they will always wake up in a bad mood, eventually joining us against the Emperor"
It would be funny but I think vulkan is gonna be a chaos undivided deamon because he is the only reason the traitor even have cool weapons and will probably not even be evil just got turn into a dragon deamon
The idea of Luther being loyal to the emperor is so cool. He would probably be the main leader for the loyalist rebels in this version of the Istvaan 3 atrocity. But I bet he would escape, make it back to terra and then he will get the title of the emperor's champion that Sigismund had in canon.
I honestly really love how Mortarion was in this version of the heresy. He seems more like that of fleshed out character and a relatable one at that. You did an amazing Job at making each Primarch extremely believable and compelling. This is my favorite alternative heresy ever.
I wish Guilliman wasn’t really glanced over. He’s probably the most steadfastly loyal Primarch after the Lion in actual canon. Like, his whole schtick post-resurrection is that he’ll never give up no matter how bad things get. I feel like it’d take some seriously convoluted plotting to get him to fall. That said, I love this alternate take on Fulgrim in particular, going out like an absolute Chad on Isstvan, holding the line as the rearguard. It honestly sounds better than Ferrus’ own canonical plot-line, which is kinda funny/sad.
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I am really surprised to see the Khan join Nurgal but honestly it makes the most sense, it would be the closest for him and how sons could ever get to freedom, a benevolent master is better that tyrannical one
@@thetravellerx5676 yeah, it'd probably the best of both worlds, which would make it even more awesome. imagine speedy White Scars but with tankiness buff, spreading plague and corruption as they went.
No the closest match for him would be Khorne. Nurgle is literally anathema to the Khan and the White Scar philosophy, which is why he was squared off against his exact opposite Mortarion in the Horus Heresy.
This interpritation of the white scars falling to nurgle for the "endless hunt" is the best one ive seen of all the alternate hereseys, never understood why it was sangy and ferus in the others.
Man I think I love this version of the heresy a lot more than the real one. I especially love Lorgar(for frying Erebus and carrying him around) and Dorn(for always wearing his gimp suit and going doom slayer on everyone - honestly he sounds a lot more likeable here :D). An Idea for Dorn is he could embrace Malal/Malice since he has that renegade thing going on - hating everyone and trying to kill everyone, especially the chaos gods. Also the black and white thing and the thorns also kinda works with Dorn and the Imperial fists in this heresy. I love it!
@@discipleofdagon8195 Sure. I can right now remember besides Robautian, Leonine and Dornian at least four more. Cyclopean (Magnus did something wrong), Sanguinary (Angel fallen, obviously), Lorgar's Discovery (nuts, Angron ended up on the side of... eldar) and from russian 40K community Rebellion of Horus (with Horus actually being AU Magnus and not a traitor at all, Imperium split on three factions - loyalist, chaos, Imperium Secundus). UPD: Also Fulgrimean.
@@ГригорийГ-ч4н I like the Icarion Heresy a lot. But it's with 18 different legions and primarchs. Really cool ones tho - like an aztec looking legion that falls to chaos or a legion that specialises in underwater and void battles or legions of blanks who nullify psychic powers. Really cool stuff but sadly they aren't as fleshed out.
Getting a video about pre heresy primarchs and how they would react to ruling over the imperium as guilliman did as imperial regent would be pretty cool
I find it a bit if a stretch that Fateweaver would provide such accurate details of the future and that the Lion would put so much “faith” in visions from the same creatures he’d spent his life hunting and defeating, having been incorruptible all this time.
@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium for sure. If you can look past Fateweaver and the Lion all of a sudden working together with Daemons, the rest has some plausibility.
Alternative universe had me cheer, gasp, and shed a tear. Just an awesome lore change. I hope you do more, taking place now, post heresy. That would be greatness!!
0:00 Intro 1:06 Advertisment 2:04 Intro 2 2:17 Warmaster 4:09 Illuminator 5:31 Justiciarius 6:17 Blackest Knight 7:09 Heir of Khorne 7:54 Rune King & Yule of Prospero 9:31 The Fallen Vigilant 10:53 Sons-in-Darkness 11:16 A Massacre & Paths to Hell 12:17 The Emperor's Children 12:38 Plaguehawk 12:56 Prince of Rebirth 14:16 A Galaxy Alight 14:32 The Abomination 14:51 Eldar & Bane of Khaine 15:16 Incandescent Crusade 15:42 Battle of Pluto 15:50 War Within The Webway 15:57 Knights of Magnus 16:33 Siege of Terra & Lord Dreadnought 17:30 Dawn Breaks 18:17 Battle of Eternity Gate 18:48 The Reward 19:19 Imperium Eterna
The writers are cowards for not using the lions last name for the Heresy’s title like the others. The Johnson Heresy will forever be in my heart and mind.
After speaking on Wes and his recent burnout, I think this video is the impetus for an entire string of videos in a new category. This theory alone, could have an entire playlist going through each individual Primarch's story as it would shift based on this alternative heresy. A 20 to 30 minute video explaining every single change in the lore from the beginning of the heresy to the end of it for each individual Primarch sounds like an incredible amount of content you could create. It would also be a great opportunity to collaborate with Baldy and Wes to boost all of your channels.
Fulgrim becoming a Living Saint is something I didn't know I needed until now. Hopefully that means Rylanor is still a Badass looking to avenge Fulgrim instead of kill him. I need that story.
I like this version of a possible "heretic" Dorn than the ones proposed in the Dornian and Roboutian Heresies. His entire legion basically becoming the Black Templars on an eternal penitence crusade for being duped is a much better than the normal swapping of personalities between Dorn and Perturabo.
Dark Angels and Alpha Legion having an entire arc just to confuse Dorn is something I didn't know I needed. Plus, Vulkan becoming demonic because of Eldar intervention is very on brand
Loyalist Lorgar is the best Lorgar ever! Konrad finally finding peace within him and becoming the ultimate judge jury and executioner is so cool and welcome. And I really like Tzeentch Space Wolves, that is super cool! Especially with what it would do to Mortarion. Nurgle Khan is really interesting too. And Magnus being the Primarch of the Grey Knights is so awesome! And the last stand of Fulgrim and him becoming a Living Saint is the most beautiful end for him possible. All in all, this was a super cool AU that I really enjoy a lot.
He has the anger of khorne, the kindness of Nurgle, the mind of Tzeentch and the sensitivity of slaneesh, he has weapons capable of breaking Terra in half, he doesn't need his brothers, but he gives them all a chance to join them, but if they don't, there is no mercy.
This is really nice! I know you've talked about the difficulties of lore channels and having to find more and more creative ways to make vids, but this is really high quality. Thank you for everything over the years!
Loyalist Lorgar and noble bright Horus. Unthinkable. Perturabo with resources and support losing. Beyond unthinkable. Or a little bit considering Roboute's fleet and logistics and the Lion's war mastery.
Imagine if vulkan and angron had their planets switched. Angry boy gets to grow up not being tortured and forced to fight and the massive, immortal, huggable vulkan gets the nails and becomes a bigger and tougher probably more effective murder machine.
Malcador living is a serious boon to the Imperium. He knew what the long term plans were of Big E and how to achieve them. He also would have been able to manage the rulership of the Imperium such that a lot of things didn't take place that caused problems for the Imperium later on.
While I do prefer alternative heresies ending worse for the loyalists as it reinforces cannon choices, this is a really good scenario that I can't help but love
I don't know what happens next because it's my first jump into the Lionel Heresy, but having a chaos Guilliman as Warmaster of Chaos in the current timeline feels way more dangerous than anything else.
So basically in every alternate Heresy, any Primarch who's chosen to be the Warmaster ends up falling to Chaos and become the Arch-Traitor against the Imperium.
Only the Warmaster has the ability to marshall forces and deploy them in such a way to even give the Heresy a chance, by putting his own forces in the best possible places and the loyalists in the worst.
In the Dornian heresy too, which I quite like, Horus is still warmaster, but Dorn is the one who ends up falling to chaos because, yep, you guessed it, the pain glove sends him fucking batty.
I found multiple elements of this alternative Heresy to be incredibly well crafted. I’d love to see future videos flushing it out. Great work majorkill!
Yea, I'd buy every book associated with this version of the Heresy. I find it highly interesting. Your artist's renditions of each flipped Primarch is amazing too.
Things i wish to see happen in 40k: The lion vs perturabo. Leman russ vs fulgrim. Corvus corax meeting huron blackheart and renegade ravenguards. Kaldor draigo meeting corvus corax in demon form in the warp. Lorgar's thoughts about the living saints. Constantine valdor vs abaddon Ghazgull vs angron Commander farsight vs typus or lucius. Living saints vs tyranids. Ahriman vs tyranids.
What's scarier about G-Man being warmaster is that it wouldn't have taken him 13 black crusades to destroy Cadia, maybe 3 at most. And Sanguinius being banished instead of permakilled is way worse than every time Angron came out to wreck stuff
The most important question: What would be Rylanor's Last Stand in this version of the heresy? Oh, right, he would become the Legionmaster of the Emperor's Children, recalling the virtues his father stood for, waiting for his proper return for a million nights!
I like the idea that in this alt timeline, Mortarion takes the place of Corvus in canon. Diving into the Eye of Terror, embracing his warp power, as the Reaper of Traitors.
Whether it is the lion or Is the primarch of the Imperial fists This story is actually better than what we got in cannon, But the beauty of how the warp connects to Different universes Players can build their own versions of these It's just making sure that the rules line up for the Minis. Plus iron hands primarch being blessed by nurgle is hilarious and awesome, the khan falling to tzeencth, sangunius falling to either slanesh or khorne makes way to much sense, and russ falling to khorne makes perfect sense.
I'd love to get a detailed rundown of Dan Abett's alternative Heresies proposal. I only know brief summaries of Angron, Magnus, and Alpharius. Apparently Dan also discussed Dorn and Guilliman Heresies, and allegedly he described the popular fanworks, the Dornian Heresy and the Roboute Heresy, almost to a T. Having that info would be a good video to have.
This 'what if' scenario is absolutely fascinating. I'd love to see more of these going through what would have happened if different Primarchs were made Warmaster. Mind blown 🤯
This was cool, I personally believe the Lionel Heresy would have been the most devastating out of Horus or Dornian. Solid effort & it leads to the events of 40K but I believe at best the Lionel Heresy ends in failure but kills more loyalists and deals severely more damage while at worst it has the best chance at killing the Emperor & would still take a lot but could actually do it
The way Mortarion reflected on his own hatred and decided to tone it down souded very interesting imo, certainly ads a little more depth to. Edit: to him. I thought about finishing the sentence and then for some reason didn't.
Now imagine... Sanguinius' heresy. Title of Warmaster was given to Guilliman, and then turn into Lord Dominus Exercitus after the establish of Exercitus Imperialis (Army of the Imperium) while Horus appointed as the Champion of the Emperror holding the title of Lord Protector and right to command Custodes, Dark Angels become the Departmento Inspectorum under Lion as the first Lord Inspector with co-operation of Malcador as the Lord Dominus of Administratum. Thousand Sons refitted into Grey Knights Legion with Magnus the red become the first Overlord of Titan, Dorn built the Terra's defensive rings as the Master Warden while Perturabo become the Master Architect who built the Capital City of Terra and the Imperial Palace. Iron Hand legion and Ferrus Manus become the protector of Mars after a traitorous Arch-Magos break the Olympus Mons threaty. Humanity almost reach the third golden age but the downfall comes eventually. For long time, the chaos gods try to make the beloved Primarch, Sanguinius, into submitting to their command. Tzeech play a dozen of mind tricks on Sanguinius while altering his visions, putting Primarch of Blood Angels to the untrustable position in Guiliman's eyes. Khorne's corruption make the black rage turned into something more terrible causing the order of extermination on the entire Legion which ordered by Malcador and approved by Lion. Both red thurst and black rage become a permanent mutation on his geneseeds, then evolved into a spreadable decease, waiting to be enable by Nurgle. Then. Everything broken apart... Sanguinius stab Malcador precisely in his heart during a fierce arguement about the full inspection on Baal system. Infected Space Marines got turned into mindless bloodthirsty warriors who only accept orders from the Master of Blood. Lion manage to escape with few Dark Angels and only two survivors of Malcador's inspector. With a recovered body of Malcador in his arms, remaining of Inquisitorial Fleet returned to Terra only to realised that they are, in fact, too late. New decease called 'Blood plague' already corrupted all Space Wolf legion and torn Fenris apart while their mindless Primarch is chosen by Tzeench to become his Werewolf champion... actually just to mess with Khorne. Mortarion and Death Guards killed by Ferrus Manus after Khorne manage to control them using Black Rage that came with Blood plague on Terra, the Primarch of Iron Hand who was the Forge Master Prime of Terra and Lord Magos Dominus of Mars beheaded by Horus, turn most of Mechanicum of Mars and Iron Hands against Imperial. Only mechanicum who survived purge from Horus was Beresarius Cawl who was the Forge Master Secundus of Terra and Lord Magos of Mars that joined Guiliman's 3rd Astra Crusade and actually loyal to the Lord Dominus Exercitus due to the pragmatism view of Guiliman on Xenos techs. Without Lord Protector and some Custodes, Imperial Webway machine got sabotaged by rogue mechanicum in the imperial palace, Emperror trapped in the unknown space.
Juat started, cant wait to see it, but this does exist. Its the Leonine Heresy bu Sharrowkyn, and it does a very interesting take on lion el johnson as traitor leader, like exploring how the outset is very different when a much more subtle hand is guiding the opening moves, and exploring the fact that Lion El'Johnsons main thing was loyalty. So what happened to him that he would betray his own nature to betray the galaxy?
Been waiting for someone to cover this for some time. Also, one question I really want answered from this timeline is what would the equivalent of the Primaris be? Would the Raptor project actually be successful at restoring the Loyalist legions down the line, with people like Fabius and Malcador spearheading the research and it being under the protection from the Thousand Sons to prevent any Chaos interference? If successful and the Imperium being stabilized after a while, would the Imperium be capable of eventually continuing the Great Crusade at a slower pace?
I feel vulkan likes hugs and friendship too much to fall like that. I feel he’d go down the cannon Morty route of falling to nurgle by trickery or have a redemption after the heresy
Oi c someone-who-doesn’t-have-a-name-starting-with-U next Tuesday. I had to pause and rewind this several times due to cooking and eating dinner. Thank you so much majorkill I’m so back into 40k lore without having to buy that Cadian army. Right listening to you is totally enough .. 😅 Edit: a typo
The guy who made all this artwork of uncorrupted traitors and corrupted loyalists must've sold His soul to slanesh cause goddamn is it insanely ungodly good
Can we get a Halo vs 40K universe Would love to hear what you think about the 40K universe fighting the covenant or flood. And who do you think is scarier the flood or the tyranids?
The flood, easy especially when you know the lore of them. They make nurgle’s chaos corruption a much better choice compared to being infected by the flood
@@starhammer5247 Most likely, yeah. I wonder what a flood/tyranid bioform would look like, with the Hivemind/Gravemind of both species vying for control of the monster.
I love this idea because it has done something I previously thought impossible: it kinda makes me like Lorgar. I hope this isn’t the last we hear of your Heresy, getting some more lore would be fun.
Nice! I think it's much more violent than the current setting, and the ending is better. Also, I think I like Magnus although I'm an Imperial Fists fan, and thats why I liked the "If the Emperor had a text to speech device" series too.
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Big shout out to Paint_newb for the incredible artworks and high quality lore synopsis for the Lion El' Heresy
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This was not done in collaboration with Paint_newb, more so me wanting to do a Lion El' Heresy for a while now and the happy coincidence of him pouring his heart and soul into a similar concept. Obviously there is alot of details and characters missing as well as some questionable motives due to how compressed the video was trying to fit all the main details but I hope it was entertaining!
Imagine comenting 5 minutes late on your own video
Pirates on a boat
Konrad but he has to go through his own spiritual journey to get good 😌 and be besties with sanguinius
Please make a Nykona Sharrowkyn/Raven Guard inspired major mini.
Imma be real, I don't like how you made Vulkan a daemon prince. Him consuming an Avatar of Khaine was very interesting, so the daemonic ascension sounded redundant. Aside from that, most of the scinerio was amazing, even if it had its rough spots. We need the whole story, Majorkill! We need the whole story!
Sanguinius as the Daemon Primarch of Khorne is way scarier than canon Angron.
Seeing as a tired Sanguinius wrecked Demon Angron, Demon Sanguinius would have ripped any Primarch in half easily
@@LupercalRising the problem there is Angron was always the punching bag of all writers lol
He and his legion are literally blood thirsty vampire berserkers. If Khorne had his way and got the blood angels, chaos would've won in months
scary is an understatement, sanguinius after battling the entire force of chaos + khorne greater demon he still manage to banished demon angron
imagine prime + chaos boosted sanguinius, hell literaly become the 5th chaos god in term of power
@@deusvult6164 I'd like to think Khorne loves him for it. That he can see what Angron should have been; his honor, compassion and willingness to fight anything regardless of the odds for what he saw as right and just. Sees his own corruption with what self-awareness a Choas god can have in how he was born to those ideals and twisted into what he is by the savagery of mortal actions and their refection upon him.
Dumb as fuck, I know, but I'd like to the Chaos gods are still affected by their origin. Tzeentch is happy eve to be twarted, Nurgle's just a good guy doing his best and Khorne still hating people that kill the easy, weak kills. After all, for all the saying is "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows" he clearly and objectively does.
"They prove why they are the Emperor's Children as they fight with the fury of five legions"
Love it
I like how alt heresies give Lucius' scars a different origin, from Roboutian a reminder of the torture horror the Druhkari can inflict, to Alternatus to the nightmarish scenario that was the Istvaan massacre.
Yeah a Very good point
That's kinda catches third legion as I always wanted them to be, presenting they "pursuit of perfection" as the least numerous legion but each one of them being an absolute beast. In a way as custodes are.
You know, I like how this version of the Heresy isn't just "hey, what if everyone's role was reversed" but actually had some major shakeups to later events as well. Like with Rogal becoming an renegade instead of a true traitor, the slight civil war among the traitors when the Emperor backed up Horus, Malcador living, and Magnus becoming the primarch of the Grey Knights.
Except is it plagued by dozens of "Lol role reversed" parts with Russ being especially pathetic in that regard. Tzeentch doesn't reflect a single thing about his personality or his Legion at all.
@@grimnir8872 Really feels like he got short-end of the stick in that Khorn already wanted Sanguinius, so the most fitting chaos god for the angry wolf was already taken. Slannesh and nurgle make even less sense, but playing with the 'totally not magic' his people use, and his people changing shape into wolves as being marked by Tzeench... it's not great but I see why they made it that way for the retelling. I agree that it feels the weakest of all the reversals
@@grimnir8872 Leman hates psykers while coming up with the most asinine defence for his own psykers while having a legion filled with the potential to mutate and Russ having his own innate psychic powers. Doesn't help that he was tricked an ungodly number of times and didn't do what he claimed to do. The Emperor's Executioner thing was an entirely self-proclaimed title. He almost killed Horus but hesitated because he felt bad. Meanwhile, he didn't hesitate to snap Magnus over his fucking knee or burn his fucking homeworld to the ground. This doesn't mention that his legion was given literal animal DNA. Tzeentch could literally turn all of them into werewolves. He is prime material for Tzeentch.
To be fair I've always seen the space wolves as Traitors not necessarily as in worshipping chaos but in the true sense of the word.
They betrayed their brothers of the thousand sons I have no doubt in my mind Magnus did not do anything intentionally wrong and had he contacted the Emperor in time, the Emperor wouldn't have approved the slaughter of the thousand sons and betrayal of the Space wolves.
@@grimnir8872 I like to imagine tzentch getting Sanguinus just to piss of khorne, so Khorne ends up with leman. Similar to how khorne wanted sanguinius but got angron
I feel like if Lorgar had remained loyalist, he could have developed into a really cool character.
Would’ve led the black templars
@@joshuapatino._.4075 Yeah I reckon his legion would have mirrored the cannon black templars in vigor and belief in the emperors divinity
@@thenoicesoldier4817 Come now. I think we all know the WB would have been better than the Black Templars. And their hebrew/arabic thing would have been cooler than the knight crusader thing imo (I mean if I'm not mistaken and they do have a hebrew/arabic thing going)
@@punec I have a degree in Anthropology so please let me vomit information at you :) he has elements of early Christianity, traditional Judaism, and Golden Age Islam. With him having the Turkish features of the Emperor, it definitely adds that "mysterious Middle Eastern religion" vibe. Think Exodus era Judaism mixed with the high culture of the Islamic nations under the Caliphs (during the era of the European Dark Age). Add crusader era Christianity fanaticism (back when men were men and unbelievers were purged) lmao
As a Roman Catholic I LOVE the Word Bearers lmao 🤣😹
Well last stand of Lorgar in Dornian Heresy was rather awsome
My headcanon is that for Rylanor, he was more than willing to stay behind on Istvaan so Fulgrim could escape with the others but Fulgrim made him leave. "You are Rylanor, the Ancient of Rites. The legion still needs you, but not as a martyr."
And Rylanor saying "Father, I will always by your son now and always" and becomes the Bjorn of this setting
That’s something I really want to know for the rest of the character like him did they stay loyal or turn
Like sigesman did he stay with dorn or tuned on him
@@JIMT412and Bjorn fills Rylanor's role, waiting on Istvaan until the primarch returns
@@sev1120Even better; as the centuries pass, Bjorn slowly begins to succumb to the Curse of the Wulfen, morphing into this horrifying abomination of a techno-organic werewolf, leading to a massive wolf-on-wolf battle between the Daemon Primarch and his twisted but loyal son.
@@TheCorrodedMan or another idea: Bjorn fully succumbs DURING the battle with Russ, devastated by what his primarch has become, and in this moment of grief and hatred, that is when the curse takes over.
And it is then said that all those who hunt the tainted russ, are guided by a great wolf through the heavens, one whose fury could devour gods themselves, whose maw can consume suns. Bjorn the Fell-Handed, becomes Bjorn the Ravener (a reference to one of Fenrir's epithets in Norse mythology)
I think it would be extremely fitting if both rylanor and fulgrim hold off whilst horus and conrad retreat with their legions. Instead of rylanors last stand in cannon it would be the emperors children, primarch and sons loyal to the end to protect the emperor
Man....
What a missed opportunity.
Rylanor nuking everyone in vengeance for his fathers death?
Daaaaaaaaammmmmmnnn
"I choose to make my stand go Rylanor preserve the memory of the ancient go with my brothers forces GO NOW!!"
"Father, there is no other place in the galaxy for me to die than by your side" "I am a proud child of the emperor and I am honored to be your son"
@@adrienwatson2179 "I am Rylanor of the Emperor's Children, Ancient of Rites, Venerable of the Palatine Host and a Proud Son of Fulgrim the Phoenixian, beloved by ALL. I choose my last stand and death NOW AND ALWAYS!"
Said Rylanor, before using the Virus Bomb in the ruins of the Emperor's Pride against the traitors.
@@TheReverendDown For existing 3rd derivative Lore, Rylanor works as same as Bjorn in HH heresy, and the Bjorn opposite.
I love the idea of Magnus leading the Grey Knights, feels rather ironic and fitting at the same time.
He couldn't save his first borns, but he will be there for his younglings
He still can if the Emperor reclaims his soul from Tzeech.
@@SeraphimRoad Don't bring up TTS. It is just sad everytime I think about the show.
Its nice to see space wolves not becoming khorne demons
I would've thought they would be more slanesh type demons. Since they would indulge in thier more primal urges hence giving into corruption.
Yeah, that never made sense
Other au cover that
It makes basically no sense, it would arguably make more sense for Russ and the Space Wolves to fall to Nurgle to oppose the supreme Tzeentch favouritism the Thousand Sons have. You could easily write a scenario where Russ's assault on prospero utterly fails, and Magnus predicts the fleet in orbit, casting a great spell to hurl them into the warp. Stuck there, Russ' legion shares the fate of the Death Guard, swearing an oath of defiance and Revenge which Nurgle answers, casting the Space Wolves onto the planet as Drauger-like Plague Wolves.
To be fair many legions could be Khorne's dogs. White scars, Space Wolves, Blood Angels... Khorne can choose 😄
There's so many alternative heresies now in fanfiction, like Halloween costumes in Buffy fanfic it's its own genre by now. Personally I like the ones where we get a mix of Traitors and Loyalists. Not just a reversal. Or the ones where the Heresy did not happen. Imperium Ascendant!
Ngl, Imperium Ascendant made me impressed
I did like the premise of "The Imperial Heresy" though.
@justinweber4977 could you please explain the gist of the imperial heresy for me?
@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium The tl;Dr version is basically that the Emperor makes a huge pivot and decides to ascend to become a full Warp God, sacrificing countless lives and probably the Primarchs too
Primarchs rebel en masse against the Emperor to stop him.
@@justinweber4977 ah thank you
What an amazing alternative timeline, legit had goosebumps while watching this video since my personal rankings of the primarchs would basically be flipped upside down
This shit is better than the Horus Heresy, I especially liked what happened to the Fists
I don't like it. The Lion is too cool of a Primarch to turn traitor. Simple as. The Horus Heresy in canon is decent enough writing for me. Dornian Heresy is my favorite alt history
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@@benjamintim3542But that's the thing, he is not a traitor. He was misled by the false prophecy and the action he took were out of (misled) loyalty.
a video on how pre heresy primarchs would rule the imperium if they were put into guilliman's situation would be great
Fulhrim would be interesting since he's ego and obsession with perfection is going to cause alotta issues
why is he avoiding this damn video
@@Noorthiabecause he already made a video for someone else’s comment so maybe he doesn’t wanna bend over for every single suggestion
It continues
You are very resillient
How pre-heresy primarchs would run the Imperium in Guilliman's sted is a quite popular suggestion down here.
I double this.
Perturabo would be so brutally efficient that orks would probably be concerned
"Are da 'umies ok? Da Boyz ain't smilin after a foight no more..."
*tedious suggestion
FTFY
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Did I ask you?
@@TheRealMycanthrope uh oh the comment police are here
Words cannot describe how much I want what you described as Erebus's fate in this to actually be canon.
Burning for all eternity. Honestly it's too good for him.
Fuck Erebus
You know if the cannon eventually gets too stale they can always have some event that Thanos snaps them to pre heresy and new information given that misdirects and sets the gears in motion for something like this.
You ought to look into the “Fulgrimian” Heresy next, it’s well developed, far more Primarchs remain loyal than traitor (Morti, Horus, Perturabo remain loyal while the Khan and Manus go traitor).
Haven't heard of this one, got any links?
Is the actual title the "Fulgrimian Heresy"? I think that "The Phoenician Heresy" sounds way better
magnus being given the grey knights is honestly a pretty badass detail even if it is unthinkable inside the boundaries of the established lore
it would also save the grey knights from the shackles of the inquisition, as they had a real leader that was far above them, like the other astartes chapters.
The Emperor litteraly propose that to Magnus in the established lore.
Also with malcador alive, the inquistion would be less....asburd. It's likely Malcador would guide the inquistors from the shadows and prevent the order from becoming too zealous.
@@scorpiowarrior7841the inquisition on this timeline would be found by Lorgar instead of Dorn and with Marcador and Lorgar alive, it would be less wacky and way more effective than canon.
16:50 I love the one lone guardsman standing amongst the Primarchs. Glad he's still loyal.
That means Ollanius Pius didn’t get slammed and instead lives!
Meaning, we could see even more adventures with him- as he makes his way through fighting with each imperial guard regiment; inspiring legends of an unknown soldier who comes from no regiment, but without fail; aids the imperial guard in losing wars, showing a level of skill compared to or even above a commissar, perhaps even at the level of an astartes. . While only armed with the everyday lasgun and dressed in only the dirtiest of flak armor. . . Defeating hordes of foes with just these items, and commanding those who were at the brink of destruction to *Hold The Line.*
@@csmrookie9600 Well thing is he's no ordinary man...
Ollanius *Persson* has been with Big E since he grew to adulthood many millennia ago when they were both a couple of proto-hittites that happened to be perpetuals. When the emperor met Erda, they together went on adventures with their newly formed army with Ollanius being referred to by the emperor as... *His warmaster*
Yes, Ollanius Pious is technically the original warmaster of the emperor.
@lukeBryen2 Fair, but I argue he does not need to be a living saint with him as a perpetual, since it brings forth a cool storyline of him appearing before the emperor himself and instead filling the role of the average soldier.
We could probably even see him on the other side of this spectrum, as he may be recruited by Rogal Dorn to fight for him, since he always fought on the losing side of a war at most times.
@@csmrookie9600But at the same time, him gaining a Living Saint ability may grant him powers he never had as a normal Perpetual. He could appear on any world, at any time, helping any war, rather than being held down by needing to physically go somewhere.
Oh also, and I didn't see the Guardsmen as Ollanius Pious, but as Ollanius Piers, a Guardsmen who stood alone against Angron and even tried to kill him. What clued me in was the Banner he holds, and wearing Imperial Army gear. This Ollanius is the one who says "Defend him as he defends us!" Just my own interpretation.
Edit: Pierce to Piers. OH and the gun is actually one to one with Piers gun, Ol Betsy.
@@ultramarinescaptain3840 I see.
Though anyways, as a living saint I bet he wouldn't have angel wings but came in a flash of golden light and draped in golden guardsman armor.
From there you can see him display his absolute killy power from fighting as a soldier of many wars and armies. . . Displaying a level of skill that is equal to the Black Lucifers or even Custodians.
We need a part 2 to this. It’s great that an alternative heresy leads to a lot more living and loyal primarchs who are active.
Guilliman won’t stand a chance.
that is interesting, I say It would still be a match If the Chaos gods Give him Full Support and not half assing him, with Insane Management, logistics and Organization skill, a man who can turn Legions Into champions against The Imperium.
Seeing as in this scenario he represents Chaos Undivided, it'd be pretty cool to see how Guilliman would perform if his abilities are used against the Imperium. He's not driven mad, or signing an obligation to spill as much blood as possible, so as he's arguably the best Primarch when it comes to organised warfare, I think he could be a much bigger problem for the Imperium than the Black Legion ended up being
I think a video on the first founding chapters and the relationships with there successors would be cool
A great video on chapter foundings got made by Baldermort, just called chapter foundings 👌, great story to go with it too
@@milkydude3100baldy is way too tryhard, imo... but I do enjoy his videos in moderation
@@ao1778 everyone has their tastes 😊 just trying to share some cool videos
Well said brothers😊
Also love this.
Honestly Mortarians stance in this makes a lot of sense and would make sense in canon. Also dark Guilliman is amazing looking
An alternate universe where the Black Templars are a Word Bearer successor chapter and they use the flaming body of Erebeus as a unit standard would be badass af😊
Man black templar’s alternative is lunar templars, chapter built by abbadon and outsiders of every legion.
I feel like there could be a very heartfelt scene in this where chaos and khorne attempt to turn angron after ultramar, saying his father does not love him.
Only for angron's reply to be that he knows, he hates his father. But his love of his brothers far outshines his hatred of his father.
And while he would betray his father. He would never betray a brother
What if the worst alternate heresy is when nobody turns traitor and things get even worse than any one warmaster could ever do. Like the golden throne is completed and it just lets the chaos Pantheon step into real space.
I don't think the chaos pantheons can go to real space in their entirety, as they are tied to the warp.
@@ezonplays2260 i know, I was just thinking of a big heckin doozy to explain my concept. Probably for the best they cant cross over because GW would have to do some dragon ball z level stuff just to keep it from being an instant game over.
Emperor doesn’t have Ultra Instinct?
There was a version where the Emperor completed the webway project, only for him too late to realize that he's acting according to Chaos' grand plan and unintentionally unleashed Chaos Undivided all over Terra - The Emperor and his Custodes would be corrupted, but all his sons scattered throughout the galaxy, would remain Loyalists.
@@thetravellerx5676thats actually a terrifying thought
A video on Lorgar actually dying from Corvus and theorizing how the Heresy would go afterwards would be very interesting. I see it as a victory for the Loyalists where the Emperor never gets stuck on the Golden Throne. There would be no Daemon Prince Angron, potentially no Ruinstorm, and a less devastating Shadow Crusade
But couldn't Erebus and Kor Phaeron do the same thing especially if the Dark Gods chose them as their go-to sorcerers?
@@peterthepeter7523 Both of them lacked Lorgar's gift of overwhelming charisma.
@@peterthepeter7523 In theory sure. Hence why I said "potentially" no Ruinstorm. I sure as crap don't see either of them turning Angron into a Daemon Prince but Erebus would still probably try to make Kharn the Champion of Khorne. The Word Bearers Legion I feel would also end up split like it became post-Heresy in canon as both Kor Phaeron and Erebus try to overtake the other for control of the Legion
The big problem with the Loyalists winning and more specifically the Emperor not ending up on the Throne, is that the Emperor can finish the Webway Project and humanity likely never forms the Ecclesiarchy, and also technology likely doesn't suffer nearly as bad. So in other words, humanity wins 40k, at least until the Tyranids arrive. But even then, the Emperor could possibly see the Tyranids coming, and begin to prepare for them thousands of years in advance
@@anthony2678The Reason the Emperor dedicated his Custodians and Sisters of Silence to the Battle of the Webway for as long as he did was in the slight chance he could salvage it and repair the damage. The reason he then chose to withdraw his forces from it was due to him realizing that it was no longer possible to repair the Webway damage.
What a Noblebright setting there could have been
Why i feel like if Vulkan ever became traitor his plans would be like: "Guys i got an idea, when its night, we put uncofortable pillows in the imperium's citiziens houses, so they will always wake up in a bad mood, eventually joining us against the Emperor"
It would be funny but I think vulkan is gonna be a chaos undivided deamon because he is the only reason the traitor even have cool weapons and will probably not even be evil just got turn into a dragon deamon
@@purplebeepboy1161so vulkan on a bad mood, got it
The idea of Luther being loyal to the emperor is so cool. He would probably be the main leader for the loyalist rebels in this version of the Istvaan 3 atrocity. But I bet he would escape, make it back to terra and then he will get the title of the emperor's champion that Sigismund had in canon.
Nah, he wasn’t loyal to the emperor. Reason he remained imperium was that he just wanted to get independence of caliban, not let the galaxy burn.
I honestly really love how Mortarion was in this version of the heresy. He seems more like that of fleshed out character and a relatable one at that. You did an amazing Job at making each Primarch extremely believable and compelling. This is my favorite alternative heresy ever.
I wish Guilliman wasn’t really glanced over. He’s probably the most steadfastly loyal Primarch after the Lion in actual canon. Like, his whole schtick post-resurrection is that he’ll never give up no matter how bad things get. I feel like it’d take some seriously convoluted plotting to get him to fall.
That said, I love this alternate take on Fulgrim in particular, going out like an absolute Chad on Isstvan, holding the line as the rearguard. It honestly sounds better than Ferrus’ own canonical plot-line, which is kinda funny/sad.
Guilliman's role, according to the original artist, is to take the place of Abaddon.
@@starhammer5247except like abbadon x100 that specialized in Eu4
@@Darkxarcher An Abaddon that knows how to use Excel.
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I am really surprised to see the Khan join Nurgal but honestly it makes the most sense, it would be the closest for him and how sons could ever get to freedom, a benevolent master is better that tyrannical one
It would severely nerf his Chapter though. White Scars like to go fast, Nurgle's armies tend to be more on the slow but tanky side.
@@thetravellerx5676maybe itd be like the best of both worlds
A Plague spreads fast as the wind
The Festering Scars ravage the world below
@@thetravellerx5676 yeah, it'd probably the best of both worlds, which would make it even more awesome. imagine speedy White Scars but with tankiness buff, spreading plague and corruption as they went.
No the closest match for him would be Khorne. Nurgle is literally anathema to the Khan and the White Scar philosophy, which is why he was squared off against his exact opposite Mortarion in the Horus Heresy.
This interpritation of the white scars falling to nurgle for the "endless hunt" is the best one ive seen of all the alternate hereseys, never understood why it was sangy and ferus in the others.
Man I think I love this version of the heresy a lot more than the real one. I especially love Lorgar(for frying Erebus and carrying him around) and Dorn(for always wearing his gimp suit and going doom slayer on everyone - honestly he sounds a lot more likeable here :D). An Idea for Dorn is he could embrace Malal/Malice since he has that renegade thing going on - hating everyone and trying to kill everyone, especially the chaos gods. Also the black and white thing and the thorns also kinda works with Dorn and the Imperial fists in this heresy. I love it!
Check Leonine Heresy.
@@ГригорийГ-ч4н There's a lot of heresies now isn't there
@@discipleofdagon8195 Sure. I can right now remember besides Robautian, Leonine and Dornian at least four more. Cyclopean (Magnus did something wrong), Sanguinary (Angel fallen, obviously), Lorgar's Discovery (nuts, Angron ended up on the side of... eldar) and from russian 40K community Rebellion of Horus (with Horus actually being AU Magnus and not a traitor at all, Imperium split on three factions - loyalist, chaos, Imperium Secundus).
UPD: Also Fulgrimean.
@@ГригорийГ-ч4н I like the Icarion Heresy a lot. But it's with 18 different legions and primarchs. Really cool ones tho - like an aztec looking legion that falls to chaos or a legion that specialises in underwater and void battles or legions of blanks who nullify psychic powers. Really cool stuff but sadly they aren't as fleshed out.
Guilliman as Warmaster launching Black Crusades from the Eye of Terror. This would actually make 10k years of conflict interesting.
Getting a video about pre heresy primarchs and how they would react to ruling over the imperium as guilliman did as imperial regent would be pretty cool
Curze: You allready know....
Just got into 40k and decided Dark Angels were my favorite legion. Now you hit me with this! Emperor be praised
How each pre-heresy primarch would react to the current imperium when placed in Gullimans shoes would be s cool video idea
Bro is the definition of perseverance
@@amargwari2431 there are three of these comments in the first three hours. that's more than perseverance, that's popularity.
No matter how the Pages of Fate sing,
Nor the shifting echos of eons Past,
All culminate into a single Phrase:
"F*CK EREBUS!"
😂
I find it a bit if a stretch that Fateweaver would provide such accurate details of the future and that the Lion would put so much “faith” in visions from the same creatures he’d spent his life hunting and defeating, having been incorruptible all this time.
I totally see where your coming from with that but otherwise its a pretty well constructed alt history
Sometimes Kairos doesnt even know what time it is.
@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium for sure. If you can look past Fateweaver and the Lion all of a sudden working together with Daemons, the rest has some plausibility.
@@Lord-Regent-of-the-Imperium Aside from the Khan part, it is quite well constructed.
Lets be honest, we've all seen dumber things happen, and for dumber reasons, in *canon* lore...
Alternative universe had me cheer, gasp, and shed a tear. Just an awesome lore change. I hope you do more, taking place now, post heresy. That would be greatness!!
Not often a fan of alternative versions however this has been very well presented. I like it
Wow. Insanely detailed with an actually good ending that makes sense (unlike some others).
0:00 Intro
1:06 Advertisment
2:04 Intro 2
2:17 Warmaster
4:09 Illuminator
5:31 Justiciarius
6:17 Blackest Knight
7:09 Heir of Khorne
7:54 Rune King & Yule of Prospero
9:31 The Fallen Vigilant
10:53 Sons-in-Darkness
11:16 A Massacre & Paths to Hell
12:17 The Emperor's Children
12:38 Plaguehawk
12:56 Prince of Rebirth
14:16 A Galaxy Alight
14:32 The Abomination
14:51 Eldar & Bane of Khaine
15:16 Incandescent Crusade
15:42 Battle of Pluto
15:50 War Within The Webway
15:57 Knights of Magnus
16:33 Siege of Terra & Lord Dreadnought
17:30 Dawn Breaks
18:17 Battle of Eternity Gate
18:48 The Reward
19:19 Imperium Eterna
The writers are cowards for not using the lions last name for the Heresy’s title like the others. The Johnson Heresy will forever be in my heart and mind.
After speaking on Wes and his recent burnout, I think this video is the impetus for an entire string of videos in a new category. This theory alone, could have an entire playlist going through each individual Primarch's story as it would shift based on this alternative heresy. A 20 to 30 minute video explaining every single change in the lore from the beginning of the heresy to the end of it for each individual Primarch sounds like an incredible amount of content you could create. It would also be a great opportunity to collaborate with Baldy and Wes to boost all of your channels.
Fulgrim becoming a Living Saint is something I didn't know I needed until now. Hopefully that means Rylanor is still a Badass looking to avenge Fulgrim instead of kill him. I need that story.
Love these alternative heresy stories! Also, these artworks are incredible!
I like this version of a possible "heretic" Dorn than the ones proposed in the Dornian and Roboutian Heresies.
His entire legion basically becoming the Black Templars on an eternal penitence crusade for being duped is a much better than the normal swapping of personalities between Dorn and Perturabo.
Dark Angels and Alpha Legion having an entire arc just to confuse Dorn is something I didn't know I needed.
Plus, Vulkan becoming demonic because of Eldar intervention is very on brand
Seeing a loyal Abaddon would be interesting.
Probably would be somewhere between Sigismund and Sevatar personality wise.
Loyalist Lorgar is the best Lorgar ever! Konrad finally finding peace within him and becoming the ultimate judge jury and executioner is so cool and welcome. And I really like Tzeentch Space Wolves, that is super cool! Especially with what it would do to Mortarion. Nurgle Khan is really interesting too. And Magnus being the Primarch of the Grey Knights is so awesome! And the last stand of Fulgrim and him becoming a Living Saint is the most beautiful end for him possible.
All in all, this was a super cool AU that I really enjoy a lot.
I've always wanted to see a "Volcanic Heresy" that puts, you guessed it, Vulkan as the arch traitor.
He has the anger of khorne, the kindness of Nurgle, the mind of Tzeentch and the sensitivity of slaneesh, he has weapons capable of breaking Terra in half, he doesn't need his brothers, but he gives them all a chance to join them, but if they don't, there is no mercy.
@@Notokdario Truly, the most terrifying brother to fall to Chaos Undivided.
All of these Artworks are so incredibly amazing, especially the Loyalists, their new designs are awesome
This is really nice! I know you've talked about the difficulties of lore channels and having to find more and more creative ways to make vids, but this is really high quality. Thank you for everything over the years!
Lion'el Heresy: *exists*
Fans of "Duty is its own reward" Lion: "THIS IS NOT FOOKING CANON!"
Make this a series of lots more events that could happen would be pretty sick
Loyalist Lorgar and noble bright Horus. Unthinkable. Perturabo with resources and support losing. Beyond unthinkable. Or a little bit considering Roboute's fleet and logistics and the Lion's war mastery.
I’m now very interested in making a chaos ultramarine army, with traitor Guilleman at the helm
Of course major would call his own fan story the ultimate story.
Imagine if vulkan and angron had their planets switched. Angry boy gets to grow up not being tortured and forced to fight and the massive, immortal, huggable vulkan gets the nails and becomes a bigger and tougher probably more effective murder machine.
Malcador living is a serious boon to the Imperium. He knew what the long term plans were of Big E and how to achieve them. He also would have been able to manage the rulership of the Imperium such that a lot of things didn't take place that caused problems for the Imperium later on.
14:59 Roboutian Heresy Vulkan became a Colossal Black Dragon similarly like Ancalagon from The Silmarillion.
While I do prefer alternative heresies ending worse for the loyalists as it reinforces cannon choices, this is a really good scenario that I can't help but love
I don't know what happens next because it's my first jump into the Lionel Heresy, but having a chaos Guilliman as Warmaster of Chaos in the current timeline feels way more dangerous than anything else.
So basically in every alternate Heresy, any Primarch who's chosen to be the Warmaster ends up falling to Chaos and become the Arch-Traitor against the Imperium.
Crazy how that work's innit
Not in the Roboutian Heresy where Horus is still Warmaster and loyal
Only the Warmaster has the ability to marshall forces and deploy them in such a way to even give the Heresy a chance, by putting his own forces in the best possible places and the loyalists in the worst.
In the Dornian heresy too, which I quite like, Horus is still warmaster, but Dorn is the one who ends up falling to chaos because, yep, you guessed it, the pain glove sends him fucking batty.
I found multiple elements of this alternative Heresy to be incredibly well crafted. I’d love to see future videos flushing it out. Great work majorkill!
Yea, I'd buy every book associated with this version of the Heresy. I find it highly interesting. Your artist's renditions of each flipped Primarch is amazing too.
Things i wish to see happen in 40k:
The lion vs perturabo.
Leman russ vs fulgrim.
Corvus corax meeting huron blackheart and renegade ravenguards.
Kaldor draigo meeting corvus corax in demon form in the warp.
Lorgar's thoughts about the living saints.
Constantine valdor vs abaddon
Ghazgull vs angron
Commander farsight vs typus or lucius.
Living saints vs tyranids.
Ahriman vs tyranids.
What's scarier about G-Man being warmaster is that it wouldn't have taken him 13 black crusades to destroy Cadia, maybe 3 at most. And Sanguinius being banished instead of permakilled is way worse than every time Angron came out to wreck stuff
Erebus suffering for all time? 10/10 best timeline.
The most important question: What would be Rylanor's Last Stand in this version of the heresy?
Oh, right, he would become the Legionmaster of the Emperor's Children, recalling the virtues his father stood for, waiting for his proper return for a million nights!
The Korean 40k community has developed an extensive lore on this, covering even the culinary culture of each first founding
I like the idea that in this alt timeline, Mortarion takes the place of Corvus in canon. Diving into the Eye of Terror, embracing his warp power, as the Reaper of Traitors.
Could we get a full break down of this? I could happily listen to Majorkill discuss this alternate timeline for hours
this was amazing, i get that it would be tough to give us more but hopefully we could get another video about this. Keep up the amazing work.
I'd call the Red Rage the Scarlet Rage, but aside from that, this was a baller script. Kudos to paint_newb for writing it. ;)
Indeed, otherwise Khorne is going to eat them up like they’re ice cream sandwiches.
@@csmrookie9600 That was... the worst thing your could've ever replied. ;/
Whether it is the lion or Is the primarch of the Imperial fists This story is actually better than what we got in cannon, But the beauty of how the warp connects to Different universes Players can build their own versions of these It's just making sure that the rules line up for the Minis. Plus iron hands primarch being blessed by nurgle is hilarious and awesome, the khan falling to tzeencth, sangunius falling to either slanesh or khorne makes way to much sense, and russ falling to khorne makes perfect sense.
To even suggest that the lion would be a traitor is the blackest heresy... after all, loyalty is its own reward
The idea of Traitor Vulkan taking over the Soul Forge from Vashtorr is some of the most badass shit.
I'd love to get a detailed rundown of Dan Abett's alternative Heresies proposal. I only know brief summaries of Angron, Magnus, and Alpharius. Apparently Dan also discussed Dorn and Guilliman Heresies, and allegedly he described the popular fanworks, the Dornian Heresy and the Roboute Heresy, almost to a T.
Having that info would be a good video to have.
okay, the idea of good Lorgar setting Erebus on fire forever is kinda badass
I think it would be great if you were to turn this heresy into a fully fledged series. I’d love to hear about everything in this setting.
This 'what if' scenario is absolutely fascinating. I'd love to see more of these going through what would have happened if different Primarchs were made Warmaster. Mind blown 🤯
This was cool, I personally believe the Lionel Heresy would have been the most devastating out of Horus or Dornian. Solid effort & it leads to the events of 40K but I believe at best the Lionel Heresy ends in failure but kills more loyalists and deals severely more damage while at worst it has the best chance at killing the Emperor & would still take a lot but could actually do it
This was really great man. Tons of cool details. Must have taken a decent amount of time to flesh out. Appreciate the work.
The way Mortarion reflected on his own hatred and decided to tone it down souded very interesting imo, certainly ads a little more depth to.
Edit: to him. I thought about finishing the sentence and then for some reason didn't.
Now imagine... Sanguinius' heresy.
Title of Warmaster was given to Guilliman, and then turn into Lord Dominus Exercitus after the establish of Exercitus Imperialis (Army of the Imperium) while Horus appointed as the Champion of the Emperror holding the title of Lord Protector and right to command Custodes, Dark Angels become the Departmento Inspectorum under Lion as the first Lord Inspector with co-operation of Malcador as the Lord Dominus of Administratum. Thousand Sons refitted into Grey Knights Legion with Magnus the red become the first Overlord of Titan, Dorn built the Terra's defensive rings as the Master Warden while Perturabo become the Master Architect who built the Capital City of Terra and the Imperial Palace. Iron Hand legion and Ferrus Manus become the protector of Mars after a traitorous Arch-Magos break the Olympus Mons threaty. Humanity almost reach the third golden age but the downfall comes eventually.
For long time, the chaos gods try to make the beloved Primarch, Sanguinius, into submitting to their command. Tzeech play a dozen of mind tricks on Sanguinius while altering his visions, putting Primarch of Blood Angels to the untrustable position in Guiliman's eyes. Khorne's corruption make the black rage turned into something more terrible causing the order of extermination on the entire Legion which ordered by Malcador and approved by Lion. Both red thurst and black rage become a permanent mutation on his geneseeds, then evolved into a spreadable decease, waiting to be enable by Nurgle.
Then.
Everything broken apart...
Sanguinius stab Malcador precisely in his heart during a fierce arguement about the full inspection on Baal system. Infected Space Marines got turned into mindless bloodthirsty warriors who only accept orders from the Master of Blood. Lion manage to escape with few Dark Angels and only two survivors of Malcador's inspector. With a recovered body of Malcador in his arms, remaining of Inquisitorial Fleet returned to Terra only to realised that they are, in fact, too late. New decease called 'Blood plague' already corrupted all Space Wolf legion and torn Fenris apart while their mindless Primarch is chosen by Tzeench to become his Werewolf champion... actually just to mess with Khorne. Mortarion and Death Guards killed by Ferrus Manus after Khorne manage to control them using Black Rage that came with Blood plague on Terra, the Primarch of Iron Hand who was the Forge Master Prime of Terra and Lord Magos Dominus of Mars beheaded by Horus, turn most of Mechanicum of Mars and Iron Hands against Imperial. Only mechanicum who survived purge from Horus was Beresarius Cawl who was the Forge Master Secundus of Terra and Lord Magos of Mars that joined Guiliman's 3rd Astra Crusade and actually loyal to the Lord Dominus Exercitus due to the pragmatism view of Guiliman on Xenos techs. Without Lord Protector and some Custodes, Imperial Webway machine got sabotaged by rogue mechanicum in the imperial palace, Emperror trapped in the unknown space.
Juat started, cant wait to see it, but this does exist. Its the Leonine Heresy bu Sharrowkyn, and it does a very interesting take on lion el johnson as traitor leader, like exploring how the outset is very different when a much more subtle hand is guiding the opening moves, and exploring the fact that Lion El'Johnsons main thing was loyalty. So what happened to him that he would betray his own nature to betray the galaxy?
Angron should be healed in these theories and acting as the Oaladin he was supposed to be
Been waiting for someone to cover this for some time.
Also, one question I really want answered from this timeline is what would the equivalent of the Primaris be? Would the Raptor project actually be successful at restoring the Loyalist legions down the line, with people like Fabius and Malcador spearheading the research and it being under the protection from the Thousand Sons to prevent any Chaos interference? If successful and the Imperium being stabilized after a while, would the Imperium be capable of eventually continuing the Great Crusade at a slower pace?
“Erebus would burn forever as an example to all traitors”
*everyone liked that*
Its done ive done it my crusade is over...
Happy for you dude.
@stephenbarrett8861 thank you
You've done your part brother. Now rest.
@@blacktemplarchaplainmarius42 I shall for now.
I feel vulkan likes hugs and friendship too much to fall like that. I feel he’d go down the cannon Morty route of falling to nurgle by trickery or have a redemption after the heresy
I fee like Chaos Guilliman, would be a nightmare for the Imperium to deal with more so than the cannon heresy
Well for starters he has Ultramar. Also, it would be more organized and definitely more efficient
Oi c someone-who-doesn’t-have-a-name-starting-with-U next Tuesday. I had to pause and rewind this several times due to cooking and eating dinner.
Thank you so much majorkill I’m so back into 40k lore without having to buy that Cadian army. Right listening to you is totally enough .. 😅
Edit: a typo
Can you do a video about the Feast of Blades?
The guy who made all this artwork of uncorrupted traitors and corrupted loyalists must've sold His soul to slanesh cause goddamn is it insanely ungodly good
Can we get a Halo vs 40K universe
Would love to hear what you think about the 40K universe fighting the covenant or flood.
And who do you think is scarier the flood or the tyranids?
The flood, easy especially when you know the lore of them. They make nurgle’s chaos corruption a much better choice compared to being infected by the flood
I've been wonderin what a Flood Vs Nids battle would look like
@@gotem123 Very one-sided in favour of the Flood if the Tyrranids don't bomb the planets they find them on from orbit.
@@starhammer5247 Most likely, yeah. I wonder what a flood/tyranid bioform would look like, with the Hivemind/Gravemind of both species vying for control of the monster.
@@gotem123 It would be a fight, but the Gravemind is much, *much* older than the Tyrranids.
I love this idea because it has done something I previously thought impossible: it kinda makes me like Lorgar. I hope this isn’t the last we hear of your Heresy, getting some more lore would be fun.
Imagine a Vulkan Heresy.
@@petercaballero8059 the saddest heresy 😢.
Nice! I think it's much more violent than the current setting, and the ending is better. Also, I think I like Magnus although I'm an Imperial Fists fan, and thats why I liked the "If the Emperor had a text to speech device" series too.
Awesome story. I love the idea of Lorgar lead the church in a more human way also Malchidor surviving would be pretty cool.