*40K in nutshell* Primarch: " *Sons I have a confession;..I was mind controlled* ." His sons: "....😑😐🤨😡🤬🥺😢🤯😶😶😶😶." Primarch: " *Good, I am glad you forgive me* ." Sons respond: " *We did not say that* ." Also his Sons: " *Do you want a steak* ?" Primarch: " *Of course* ." His Sons 🥺🤯🥺🥺🥺🤯🥺🥺. Also his sons: " *Let's go hunting chaos afterwards* ." Primarch: " *that is the plan* ." His sons😶😶😶😶😢🥺😭🥺😭🥺. Also his sons: " *why did you doubt us dad? you know we are the best and can kick rump bloody* ." Primarch: " *I know and We are today going to kick rump bloody* ." His sons 🥺😭😭🥺🥺😭: " *Hail to the Lion* ."
One bit that you probably just didn't have time for, but really struck me, was that earlier, when learning about how the Codex Astartes broke the legions into chapters, the Lion cursed Guilliman, and wished it would have been Guilliman who died, instead of Sanguinius. So when the Lion learned that Guilliman was alive, and was grateful for it, that was a good moment.
Also lets the scene with the blood angels and Dante hit even harder knowing that it is fresh in the Lion's mind, and to find solace in his brother's life still
I love that the Lion still hasn’t fully gotten over the death of Sanguinius. And seeing that he was happy to know that Guilliman was alive despite their differences as the Lion more than anything just doesn’t want to be alone.
Given how long it has been for both robot and lion I think they would keep up appearance of the stoic face with a confident smile in public but the moment they go into a private room they would be hugging and crying for they are no longer alone plus I think even if they both won't admit it they still love and respect each other both before and after hh also I'm now wondering what will lion do to the dark angels especially when he has the risen backing him up
I have a homebrew Primarch (loyalist.) and this was one part I was determined to get right. Because to me while super human and sometimes something beyond, the Primarchs are very human. So it really wanted to get a grieving sibling fighting against other siblings right.
Yeah, at the end of the day, Lion and Robot are brothers. It matters. Plus, Lion is not a politician. He's a warrior. He knows the value of Robot and values it, if only begrudgingly.
@@calebcarroll7641 I think that once him and robot are reunited lion will probably lead the imperium nihilus and have Dante as his second in command and the risen and lion guard be upgraded to primaris while also being the Asian mom and disciplining the current dark angels
@@ru_gamerandotaku2431 It's a fair idea, but do you really see the Lion playing leader? I don't. I mean, maybe he'll simply have to, but I don't see him wanting to.
GW handled the Lion’s character growth perfectly imo Son of the forest is about second chances and redemption for both him and his sons and it was beautiful !!! Looking forward to whats next with The Lion and his Risen.
That was literally my favourite aspect of the book. He was my favourite Primarch during the Great Crusade and Heresy. But he was deeply flawed. His growth in Son of the Forest and his growing relationship with Zabriel only cemented his place as my favourite.
Its about friggn time!! I always wanted to love Lion El'Jonson but EVERY TIME they let Gav Thorpe or whoever get ahold of the lore and turn him into a self- saboteur to the point of hilarity.
I'm really impressed with how they took the Lion from 1 dimensional cardboard warmonger and inserted his personal fears about his failures during the Heresy. I hated him during the Heresy and it was refreshing to see him TRY to be more humane.
20:30 i just love the fact that when lion notices he's a little weaker. He immediately thinks it's because of some corruption or witch and not old age.
As the story unfolds and overlaps into the arks of omen, he gets his full strength back; hence him being able to defeat - with the help of the Emperor empowered shield - Angron, and banish him back to the Warp.
Honestly the meeting of Lion and Guilliman is my most anticipated moment for Warhammer. The novels have heavily stressed how lonely each of them are, how desperate they are for emotional comfort that only their brothers can bring. I imagine the two will need some time before they both break down and bond more. Both are very stoic, and them opening up would be such an opportunity for growth.
The Lion and Guilliman are gonna put on a brave face in front of everyone, but the second they go into a private room they’re gonna break down into tears and hug the ever loving shit out of each other!
@@socksman9968 We'll have to wait and see. I for one think it's really poor writing if they make this weakness permanent. Custodes have lived at peak capacity for 10,000 years now seeing how most Custodes in the current timeline were made after the heresy. It wouldn't make sense for a Primarch to have such glaring weakness as aging poorly by a meagre 10,000 years.
@Serron Serron oddly enough majorkill said it best, i'm paraphrasing, but a glaxy that's shit all the time isn't a galaxy worth saving. It's the small victories and glimpses of humanity that keep the imperium fighting
@@lowkeyarki7091 A lot people forget this, Lion does have humanity, he knew he fucked up with the fallen from 30k, he not a stupid murder hobo, he a smart murder hobo. Lion sees that his fallen sons survived for 10k years in the warp and STILL stay loyal, well that proof enough for him, like he once said "loyalty is it's own reward.", hell he might be a bit proud. The main problem is 40k dark angels are bit dumb still and seeing Fallen just walk back in after "they" blew up their home world, chances are some will ironically betray the Lion and try to kill the Risen. I do see a few 40k Dark Angels straight up being killed off and a small purge happening, Lion a "fuck around and find out" type of guy.
@@Fourtytwo4242 well that’s the entire point of the story, as long as they stay true to themselves and what their primarch taught his sons he is willing to accept them. (Even taking some pride in that even despite their differing opinions they helped one another to survive) …however I doubt he’d take too kindly to his sons making the same mistake as he did to their own primarch and his sons once more, he can accept that they were betrayed and tricked into fighting each other 10,000 years ago but if there is no misunderstanding this time and they strike down the risen, everyone has limits.
Great job! Side note. Years ago I started a DA successor chapter called the redeemed. The Leadership and chaplains had a vision and saw that not all fallen were evil and if they found a fallen or tainted - he will be welcomed back into the brotherhood. However, this was kept a secret from the DA and other chapters. So they operated on the fringe. So many other players mocked this idea.....but now - I wish I can see their faces now that their Father has forgiven them.
The amount of references to Arthurian legend in this is AWESOME. The Green Knight being the beheaded Chaos Marine, the Fisher King being the Emperor. So cool.
There's a reel/short somewhere that I saw that lives in my head rent free around one scenario. El Johnson finds out from one of his minions that Guilleman did his thing with a drukhari, and he's like "he did what with a WHAT?! GUILLEMAAAANNN!!!!!" And Guilleman is in his office when he stiffens up and is like "does anyone else feel a chill in the air? Kinda feels like... Disappointment from an older brother..."
I'm really looking forward to seeing The Lion and Guilliman re-united at some point. I bet they both feel like the only relatively sane person in the room most of the time having to deal with the likes of The Ministorum and The Inquisition as well as other Space Marines who only know of The Primarch's in legends and tales of their chapters. It'd be like a Christian getting to meet Jesus! I love seeing stuff like that,especially in 40k!
Well luckily for The Lion, the first person he met when he woke up was one of his original sons and not completely insane and religious like the rest of the imperium. I feel like the lion meeting with him was the best thing to happen for the both of them
@Commissar Yarricks ghost in the past they never really got along, but I think given the state of the galaxy they can get over it and work together to save the Imperium! Now this is grimdark, so likely something else will happen instead, but either way, exciting!
The Lion can be in charge of the Dark Imperium, to safe guard it against Chaos as Gulliman can rebuild the rest of the Imperium and see what they can do about the Rift. The Lion is honor bound and Gulliman is a tactician. Both can rebuild the Imperium to what their father had, even with Chaos being a bigger thorn.
I wish there was a short story with el'johnson and his chief librarian exploring his old armor collection. It would be called "The chronicles of Calaban: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" 😂
It's really funny that Dante is savvy enough to see Johnson's anger about the long-worn mask as proof that the Lion was who he claimed to be. Maybe he learned something from the chat with the Necrons?
I have played the Dark Angels space marines since I was 9 years old and just hearing about the Lion coming back and forgiving his sons sent my inner 40k nerd SCREAMING. This was so cool and such an appropriate character arc. It's going to suck when Chaos gets that weapon, though.
So, I find more stimuli and joy listening to you talk about the lore of 40k than any movie I watched since End Game. Keep up the good work Wes, it is excellent!
Personally I didn’t expect the Lion to have the Emperors Shield and it’s badass power or his teleportation portal but I kinda love it especially with how Anagron got whooped and his head bashed off after being stabbed in the neck or the part where he met Dante sounded amazing from a voice over
@@dissraps to be fair, killing chaos demons is kinda the Lions whole thing so if anyone was going to do it, it’d be him. And yes I believe Angron would overpower the Lion physically but Angron is also extremely predictable, so I believe that the Lion is perfectly capable of beating him in a fight.
@@dissraps To be fair, deamon Angron was much stronger physically than the Lion. The Lion had to fight Angron by thinking tactically and baiting him with the Emperor's shield until Angron overextended himself. That was when the Lion struck his blow and banished Angron. For most of the fight between them, it was Angron who was on top and attacking relentlessly.
@@dissraps Angron is literally pure power without though so yeah the Lion contender for strongest duelist among the primarchs even if he is weaker will be able to match him through his skill
That ending where the Ancient Lord of the First realizing he wasn't alone after 400 years brought me to tears when hearing that for him. I was glad in someways for him. I never was big into the Dark angels but this tale made me relate to Lion in a way of a father trying to repent for his sins.
I am a newcomer to the 40K universe, but stories like this, and committed content creators like WesHammer are why I am here to stay. Great video, well done!
I'm still relatively new to 40k but this whole story is giving me feelings of hope I never expected when first venturing into the Grimdark. The return of a Primarch and the redemption for The Fallen.
I swear if GW needs to gets you to voice an audiobook, they are missing out on something great. Your storytelling kept me engaged the entire time. Fantastic video as always
Bro, I've just been relistening to The Lion's final challenge in the dome building. The entire scene is rad as all hell and your narration just makes it 1000 times more awesome!
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who listens to the audiobooks every day! It's been my routine for the past 3 years and lead me to launch my channel yesterday! The Dark Angels were always my favourite since I was a kid, and the amount of badass moments that The Lion has in the books solidifies that. The Lion returning along with the new terminators is the push that I needed to start getting back into miniatures.
Great summary. For those of us who don't have much free time to read a book we would love to, you helped us understand where the lore has taken us. Which by the way, is a great way to bring grandpa lion into the 40k universe.
I love that The Lion is worrying about how it will look that he's effectively made a mini Imperium in that part of the galaxy as he remembers how it looked to him when Robute did pretty much the same thing for the same reason back during the Heresy.
One of the best Warhammer lore videos I have ever watched. Really makes it easy for a Warhammer noob like me understand the lore without having to know everything. I wish you would do audiobooks on all the Warhammer lore. Keep up the fantastic work legend!!!
I hope it's either The Khan or Vulcan, but based on sales data It will probably be Russ. Personally speaking though, I think Valdor Will come back before another loyalist primarch
It would have been awesome if there was a curse on the Lion where he was aged for each of his fallen. Every son he redeems makes him younger closer to his prime.
I actually like that he has aged appropriately. Gives a good insight into how old all the primarchs (except for Vulkan and perhaps Magnus), would've gotten naturally, which seems to be 15.000-20.000 odd years judging by the Lion's current complexion.
Don't burn out, bro. It's the quality of your videos we love, not the frequency you post so if you need to take a couple extra days or weeks, no worries. We shall happily wait 😊
I was in the hospital for a very long time many months, and out of all of my so-called friends the only one who visited me besides family was a guy that I thought was a selfish prick. And he was there asking to help any way he was able.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU Wes!!!! That was incredible. I'm not gonna be able to read this for awhile, so this was a HUGE win for me. Thank you again Battle Buddy!!!
What a great time to be a 40k fan. GW has really stepped up its game. The lions return has to be the greatest reveal in 40k to date and we are all here for it.
I got into warhammer last year and learned about the primarchs and to actual witness one coming back in my era gets me pump for the Imperial of man and setting from here on out for warhammer 40k.
Thank you so much, I have been waiting for your rendition of this. Adeptus Rediculous is still a fantastic summary, but I'm always eager to hear your submission to warhammer 40k subjects.
I watched the entire video and it was only when I read the comment section that I just remembered you didn't appear on the camera for the whole time. I was completely taken by the story telling no kidding. Also, this often goes unsaid but I really appreciate all the work you do and I hope you stay healthy and able to bring more awesome content in the future. cheers
I wish Wes was around when i started getting into Warhammer because these videos are perfect for new people in hobby. Videos are concise, clear, and flashy enough to keep interest. Keep up the good work ❤
I always gets chills when the Emperor visions and bestows powers to his sons. He might test them but he don't judge, he just share his vision and let them make the decision themselves.
Man. You must've been among the first content creators to get to this books and finish them. We're glad you can do so. I really hope you get to enjoy the value your passion gives us.
17:39 Lion: "Explain what's been happening for the last 10,000 years" Zabriel: "This is going be to a lot..." *Zabriel reaches into his backpack, pulling put over 200 WH40k books*
Coincidencedently, I picked the Dark angels as my space marine faction to play before this new of the Lions return and it has me all the more excited to collect some more. Like I want to get some heresy marines now and paint them up to match the risen that are depicted in the novel.
Thank you for making your vids. I'm new to the 40k universe and it feels like an older brother is teaching about his passion and I'm HERE for it. Love from Malaysia
That would be amazing, tho I think Warhammer prefers to use British narrators since it's a British property. Which honestly I appreciate. 😅 Adds a certain charm to it. But I'm super happy to hear you'd listen to a book narrated by me 🙂
@@weshammer true but I'm from the UK and I feel like you'd be a great fit 😁 either way I'm loving your TH-cam content and I look forward to each notification I get. Keep up the good work bro 😄
This is why I love Wes, he always puts out awesome content no matter how tiring and expansive it is to make, like 6:30 in the morning after 3 days of making this? Absolutely amazing
I love that the envoy from the traitors says he wants to be struck then whoever struck him will meet him to return the strike during the final battle. It’s the same concept as The Green Knight story and it’s funnier because the dark angels are usually green and knights lol
Amazing video Wes and also its really amazing they braught lion back i cant wait to see Guileman and Lion work togather against the chaos or xenos either one will be amazing im pretty sure
Yeah, you got me subscribed, this was extremely well done, can't wait to go back through your assorted works! Crazy how this universe continues to thrive. I've loved 40k for about 28 years and it never disappoints.
I gotta say, this was my favorite of your videos. This explained a lot of items my ADHD kind overlooked while reading(listening) to the book. Thank you, I really enjoyed it
I could easily see this book used to make the new live action series coming out. I think its a great premise to explain current time and put in flashbacks of the horus heresy to explain more exposition in a series.
I’ll never forget the Lion and Rowboats first meeting. He literally did the big brother tying little brothers shoe lace thing with Gorillamans helmet. 😂
@@jamestipton7872 I forget how, but RueButt’s helmet end on the ground as Lion was descending the ramp to his ship. Lion strode over picked it up and dusted it off before handing it back to Girlyman. Girlyman had spent a scene with a human attendee prior to that basically describing how nervous he was. Girly was basically sweating bullets when the Lion appeared. It TOTALY had the feel of the big brother tying the little brothers shoe lace for him.
@@trentthehehim3936 I remember why Guilliman dropped his helmet in that scene. It’s because the Lion just comes straight up to him and suddenly hugs him. It’s so sudden and not what Guilliman was expecting from the Lion that he drops his helmet in surprise.
@@ShadowGhost0117 Yes, that was it. Still, total big brother tying little brothers shoelace feel. Even if he was hiding Curze in the belly of his ship.
I just want to say a massive thank you to you Wes!!! You are an amazing guy and I think the whole 40K community appreciates you for your hard work and superb videos. You really helped get into the setting and everyone one of ur videos brings me absolute joy❤️
Oh hell yeah, praise the Emperor! Perfect timing, just finished binging some past deep dives! Also, Wes, do you have a 5-10 book list of the essential novels for someone relatively new to their Warhammer lore obession? It's overwhelming trying to figure out which ones to read first.
The absolute best advice I can give you is to pick a faction or character you find interesting and then look up books based on them. That's the best starting point. Think of the 40k universe more like a comic book universe. You don't need to start with the very first Superman comic to get into DC comics. If you absolutely cannot pick though, the Inquisitor series is fantastic. So you'd start with the eisenhorn trilogy Caiaphas caine is also a really good starting point. Then there's the first three Horus heresy books. Absolutely fantastic, but it does require you to know a little bit about the universe. If you've watched a bunch of lore videos though, you can jump right in.
@@weshammer Thanks for the advice! I think I'll start with the Horus Heresy books, I love the Primarchs and their stories. They and the Astartes are definitely my favorite types of characters.
We need guys like Wes, Leutin, adeptus ridiculous and more of this OG warhammer youtubers get bigger before it becomes mainstream with the show coming out, we don’t want watchmojos top 10 tv moments to overcome this
Wonder what’s gonna happen to Cypher and Luther if they will work with the Lion or be killed or imprisoned but now with the Redeemed and the Risen the Lion having more and more sons would be better to have a bigger impact on the conflicts happening right now or very very soon he’ll probably have 4-6K+ space marines or even 10K+
@@ChristianGonzalez-qu6fs yup and he’s more used to a bigger group of warriors especially when he is gonna fight millions of enemies from different factions like Orks Trynids
I started playing WH40K Tacticus the first time they sponsored you mate, still enjoying the game for its mechanics but especially for the guild chat. We are called Active Players Only, and we work as a team to navigate the grim darkness.
The lion the son for the forest was the third warhammer 40k book I've read and loved every bit of it, I've listen to loads of lore videos both from yourself and other channels
Gonna be great seeing the Two brothers team up and whoop any foes who come trying to cause some havoc or Chaos pun intended especially the reunion and what they say and the discussion or anger if there’s any and when he meets Big E and conversation 10K after the hearsay
Gonna keep it 100%. This should be his new standard for videos. Beautiful summary. Description and detail to the story without ruining the fine details. Keep it up brother
the only thing I'm going to cherish more than the Lion putting his 'unforgiven' sons in their place for their obsession to hunt 'the fallen' over protecting the imperium, particularly Asmodei and Azrael, more than even his Fallen sons rejoining him as Risen, it'll be the Lion shocking Robute by bro hugging him when they finally reunite.
I am going to love to see all of this i cant wait. Also i would love to know about the other emperor's sons am new person to warhammer 40k as well and trying to make necions so the king of them would be good to hear as well. But thank you weshammer for making it fun and interesting to see. :)
I'm so happy WesHammer started making lore videos on the scifi-universe we all love. Much love and respect to you and the content you make because you help make our day more tolerable and exciting.
You have developed to such a skilled storyteller, and this video is perhaps one of your best ones yet. I litterary stopped everything I was doing and just sat in the couch with my dog on my lap listening from the beginning to the end. Thank you for a wonderfull story, and keep up the good work. I await in anticipation for your next.
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this is the video I'm waiting for haha
Man I want lore hehe
I wish GW make a book about the war of the false primarch tsk
Ngl dude... i come from a long a line of subscriber switching one after another ... besides majorkill... youre one hella dude...
This vid was epic
*40K in nutshell*
Primarch: " *Sons I have a confession;..I was mind controlled* ."
His sons: "....😑😐🤨😡🤬🥺😢🤯😶😶😶😶."
Primarch: " *Good, I am glad you forgive me* ."
Sons respond: " *We did not say that* ."
Also his Sons: " *Do you want a steak* ?"
Primarch: " *Of course* ."
His Sons 🥺🤯🥺🥺🥺🤯🥺🥺.
Also his sons: " *Let's go hunting chaos afterwards* ."
Primarch: " *that is the plan* ."
His sons😶😶😶😶😢🥺😭🥺😭🥺.
Also his sons: " *why did you doubt us dad? you know we are the best and can kick rump bloody* ."
Primarch: " *I know and We are today going to kick rump bloody* ."
His sons 🥺😭😭🥺🥺😭: " *Hail to the Lion* ."
53:44
Luke Skywalker and Yoda in the Empire strikes back.
@@EliteCustodes if it's made in china expect cash mode devs.
One bit that you probably just didn't have time for, but really struck me, was that earlier, when learning about how the Codex Astartes broke the legions into chapters, the Lion cursed Guilliman, and wished it would have been Guilliman who died, instead of Sanguinius. So when the Lion learned that Guilliman was alive, and was grateful for it, that was a good moment.
Despite their differences, he knows that his brother is still trying to rebuild Humanity and can relate to the troubles of a Isolated primerch.
Honestly, since he doesn’t wish to rule the Imperium he could be relieved knowing Guiliman is a pro at that sort of thing.
Also lets the scene with the blood angels and Dante hit even harder knowing that it is fresh in the Lion's mind, and to find solace in his brother's life still
He is not the only one of his loyal brothers alive. That alone probably brings him solace
@@zachowon I mean, Omegon, Russ, and Corvus are probably alive as well.
I love that the Lion still hasn’t fully gotten over the death of Sanguinius. And seeing that he was happy to know that Guilliman was alive despite their differences as the Lion more than anything just doesn’t want to be alone.
Given how long it has been for both robot and lion I think they would keep up appearance of the stoic face with a confident smile in public but the moment they go into a private room they would be hugging and crying for they are no longer alone plus I think even if they both won't admit it they still love and respect each other both before and after hh also I'm now wondering what will lion do to the dark angels especially when he has the risen backing him up
I have a homebrew Primarch (loyalist.) and this was one part I was determined to get right. Because to me while super human and sometimes something beyond, the Primarchs are very human. So it really wanted to get a grieving sibling fighting against other siblings right.
Yeah, at the end of the day, Lion and Robot are brothers. It matters. Plus, Lion is not a politician. He's a warrior. He knows the value of Robot and values it, if only begrudgingly.
@@calebcarroll7641 I think that once him and robot are reunited lion will probably lead the imperium nihilus and have Dante as his second in command and the risen and lion guard be upgraded to primaris while also being the Asian mom and disciplining the current dark angels
@@ru_gamerandotaku2431 It's a fair idea, but do you really see the Lion playing leader? I don't. I mean, maybe he'll simply have to, but I don't see him wanting to.
GW handled the Lion’s character growth perfectly imo Son of the forest is about second chances and redemption for both him and his sons and it was beautiful !!! Looking forward to whats next with The Lion and his Risen.
That was literally my favourite aspect of the book. He was my favourite Primarch during the Great Crusade and Heresy. But he was deeply flawed.
His growth in Son of the Forest and his growing relationship with Zabriel only cemented his place as my favourite.
Its about friggn time!! I always wanted to love Lion El'Jonson but EVERY TIME they let Gav Thorpe or whoever get ahold of the lore and turn him into a self- saboteur to the point of hilarity.
I'm really impressed with how they took the Lion from 1 dimensional cardboard warmonger and inserted his personal fears about his failures during the Heresy. I hated him during the Heresy and it was refreshing to see him TRY to be more humane.
After all there one saying "people those who have mistake hide and fear deserve a second chance"
@@exspiravit6920 Much like letting ADB write about The Emperor.
20:30 i just love the fact that when lion notices he's a little weaker. He immediately thinks it's because of some corruption or witch and not old age.
Primarchs may age, but not their strength and virility.
As the story unfolds and overlaps into the arks of omen, he gets his full strength back; hence him being able to defeat - with the help of the Emperor empowered shield - Angron, and banish him back to the Warp.
@@sampoole-fg1slQuiet resonable, he was rusty after 10000 years nap
@@komiks42 Indeed
@@komiks42sometimes it takes me like a couple hours to fully wake up from a half hour nap, I think that's fair 😂
Honestly the meeting of Lion and Guilliman is my most anticipated moment for Warhammer. The novels have heavily stressed how lonely each of them are, how desperate they are for emotional comfort that only their brothers can bring. I imagine the two will need some time before they both break down and bond more. Both are very stoic, and them opening up would be such an opportunity for growth.
The Lion and Guilliman are gonna put on a brave face in front of everyone, but the second they go into a private room they’re gonna break down into tears and hug the ever loving shit out of each other!
Gman has always expressed his grief in private. His most trusted officers sometimes get glimpses of his melancholy.
That's gonna be a great moment. The Sword and Shield together
@@NoahDaArk Just dont forget that the two ended on some bad terms too.
Exactly 😢
Bro there's no way Wes makes this awesome video and then apologizes for not being on camera. I get it man.
It was the PERFECT opportunity for Wes to say: I recognize my failing and will be sure to correct it.
Wes, with all due respect, i MUCH rather have the video in this picture and background format then having your face on it.
Right!!
@TheRealNoodleDog Is his face an abomination to you?
Why would he apologize? He did nothing wrong.
That Chaos Space Marine laughing at Lion and saying "Bruh, you just old lol" will love rent free in my brain.
So does that mean that the lion is past his prime or will he regain his old strength with time?
@@socksman9968 considering he can tp now I think it's a good exchange for reduced physical strength especially when he's still a beast
@@gaunterodimm5974 so he is past him prime? At least physically?
@@socksman9968 We'll have to wait and see. I for one think it's really poor writing if they make this weakness permanent. Custodes have lived at peak capacity for 10,000 years now seeing how most Custodes in the current timeline were made after the heresy. It wouldn't make sense for a Primarch to have such glaring weakness as aging poorly by a meagre 10,000 years.
@@socksman9968 or shall we say past his primaris?
I really love The Lion's interactions with his risen sons weirdly wholesome considering who we're talking about and what universe we are talking about
40K is more than just about disgusting evil monsters in grimdark. Hope and some victories don't detract from the genre
@Serron Serron oddly enough majorkill said it best, i'm paraphrasing, but a glaxy that's shit all the time isn't a galaxy worth saving. It's the small victories and glimpses of humanity that keep the imperium fighting
@@lowkeyarki7091 A lot people forget this, Lion does have humanity, he knew he fucked up with the fallen from 30k, he not a stupid murder hobo, he a smart murder hobo. Lion sees that his fallen sons survived for 10k years in the warp and STILL stay loyal, well that proof enough for him, like he once said "loyalty is it's own reward.", hell he might be a bit proud.
The main problem is 40k dark angels are bit dumb still and seeing Fallen just walk back in after "they" blew up their home world, chances are some will ironically betray the Lion and try to kill the Risen. I do see a few 40k Dark Angels straight up being killed off and a small purge happening, Lion a "fuck around and find out" type of guy.
@@Fourtytwo4242 well that’s the entire point of the story, as long as they stay true to themselves and what their primarch taught his sons he is willing to accept them. (Even taking some pride in that even despite their differing opinions they helped one another to survive)
…however I doubt he’d take too kindly to his sons making the same mistake as he did to their own primarch and his sons once more, he can accept that they were betrayed and tricked into fighting each other 10,000 years ago but if there is no misunderstanding this time and they strike down the risen, everyone has limits.
@@Fourtytwo4242aka asmodia getting booped by lion 😂
I never would've expected a story set in a grim-dark universe to have such a deep underpinning of hope.
That's the only reason to have a story in the grim dark universe.
@@KwizzyDaAwesome yes if there is only grim and darkness it gets boring, ultimately the good stuff is the battle of the light against the dark
The hope is what keeps people commenting back, the chance of everything getting better
Great job!
Side note. Years ago I started a DA successor chapter called the redeemed. The Leadership and chaplains had a vision and saw that not all fallen were evil and if they found a fallen or tainted - he will be welcomed back into the brotherhood. However, this was kept a secret from the DA and other chapters. So they operated on the fringe.
So many other players mocked this idea.....but now - I wish I can see their faces now that their Father has forgiven them.
The amount of references to Arthurian legend in this is AWESOME. The Green Knight being the beheaded Chaos Marine, the Fisher King being the Emperor. So cool.
I can't wait to see G-Man and the Lion reacting to each other, it is going to be a lots of fun, But what do you guys think?
Wake up freeman.
I think Horus needs to come back and redo the heresy
There's a reel/short somewhere that I saw that lives in my head rent free around one scenario. El Johnson finds out from one of his minions that Guilleman did his thing with a drukhari, and he's like "he did what with a WHAT?! GUILLEMAAAANNN!!!!!" And Guilleman is in his office when he stiffens up and is like "does anyone else feel a chill in the air? Kinda feels like... Disappointment from an older brother..."
@TheTobi583 that was a dreadanon dub thing
@@thetobi583 here it is th-cam.com/video/MnBb89zrCO0/w-d-xo.html
I'm really looking forward to seeing The Lion and Guilliman re-united at some point. I bet they both feel like the only relatively sane person in the room most of the time having to deal with the likes of The Ministorum and The Inquisition as well as other Space Marines who only know of The Primarch's in legends and tales of their chapters. It'd be like a Christian getting to meet Jesus!
I love seeing stuff like that,especially in 40k!
I want to see them hug and shed some primarch tears of joy
The book where they meet is going to be the most anticipated piece of fiction in a while
Well luckily for The Lion, the first person he met when he woke up was one of his original sons and not completely insane and religious like the rest of the imperium. I feel like the lion meeting with him was the best thing to happen for the both of them
@Commissar Yarricks ghost in the past they never really got along, but I think given the state of the galaxy they can get over it and work together to save the Imperium! Now this is grimdark, so likely something else will happen instead, but either way, exciting!
I need them to reorganize the imperium. How can a society have no advancement for 10000 years. If not for Cawl it would have all gone to shit by now
“Yes, even Russ” is a great summary for the Lion’s new outlook 😂
Also, amazing work with the video Wes. Thank you!
The Lion can be in charge of the Dark Imperium, to safe guard it against Chaos as Gulliman can rebuild the rest of the Imperium and see what they can do about the Rift. The Lion is honor bound and Gulliman is a tactician. Both can rebuild the Imperium to what their father had, even with Chaos being a bigger thorn.
Imagine what they would be capable of with Dorn
Guilliman is more of a Stratagist while the Lion is more of a Tactician. Otherwise spot on.
Guilliman also said he only looked up to two of his brothers in terms of strategic acumen. The lion was the other one.
I can imagine some interesting interactions with dante and the lion
@Herbert von Bismarck It actually happened in the new book
I wish there was a short story with el'johnson and his chief librarian exploring his old armor collection. It would be called "The chronicles of Calaban: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" 😂
I bet Edmund would show up and betray Lion El Johnson because some chaos god offered him a turkish delight.
Fuckin Edmund.
@@sushmag4297 like... Edmund. Erebus. Coincidence?
😂😂😂 this is the only approved use for this particular joke, and I appreciate it.
It's really funny that Dante is savvy enough to see Johnson's anger about the long-worn mask as proof that the Lion was who he claimed to be. Maybe he learned something from the chat with the Necrons?
I have played the Dark Angels space marines since I was 9 years old and just hearing about the Lion coming back and forgiving his sons sent my inner 40k nerd SCREAMING. This was so cool and such an appropriate character arc.
It's going to suck when Chaos gets that weapon, though.
Gets what weapon?
So, I find more stimuli and joy listening to you talk about the lore of 40k than any movie I watched since End Game. Keep up the good work Wes, it is excellent!
As someone who relies on youtube for lore i just want to say fantastic job covering this spicy bit of the new story🍻
Same. I'm not really a book reader so TH-cam is my only source of lore.
Wes the armor is glorious
Wes. Dedicating himself to the lore like a chapter librarian. The Emperor smiles on thee for your dutiful diligence. Thank you boss man
Personally I didn’t expect the Lion to have the Emperors Shield and it’s badass power or his teleportation portal but I kinda love it especially with how Anagron got whooped and his head bashed off after being stabbed in the neck or the part where he met Dante sounded amazing from a voice over
Same bro love the novel.
Oh the overpowered chaos primarchs getting destroyed by loyalists again? Who would have thought
@@dissraps to be fair, killing chaos demons is kinda the Lions whole thing so if anyone was going to do it, it’d be him.
And yes I believe Angron would overpower the Lion physically but Angron is also extremely predictable, so I believe that the Lion is perfectly capable of beating him in a fight.
@@dissraps To be fair, deamon Angron was much stronger physically than the Lion. The Lion had to fight Angron by thinking tactically and baiting him with the Emperor's shield until Angron overextended himself. That was when the Lion struck his blow and banished Angron. For most of the fight between them, it was Angron who was on top and attacking relentlessly.
@@dissraps Angron is literally pure power without though so yeah the Lion contender for strongest duelist among the primarchs even if he is weaker will be able to match him through his skill
That ending where the Ancient Lord of the First realizing he wasn't alone after 400 years brought me to tears when hearing that for him. I was glad in someways for him. I never was big into the Dark angels but this tale made me relate to Lion in a way of a father trying to repent for his sins.
Well done. The last few sentences were excellently delivered.... I really felt the relief.
The Imperium still existed. He was not alone.
goosebumps.
I really like these deep dives. Thank god you stopped with short form because you can really do this format much better!
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I am a newcomer to the 40K universe, but stories like this, and committed content creators like WesHammer are why I am here to stay. Great video, well done!
It gets better, bloodier, more heretical. Hang on to your power pack.
@@Emperor_Of_Mankind LLS!!!
I'm still relatively new to 40k but this whole story is giving me feelings of hope I never expected when first venturing into the Grimdark. The return of a Primarch and the redemption for The Fallen.
I swear if GW needs to gets you to voice an audiobook, they are missing out on something great. Your storytelling kept me engaged the entire time. Fantastic video as always
Bro, I've just been relistening to The Lion's final challenge in the dome building. The entire scene is rad as all hell and your narration just makes it 1000 times more awesome!
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who listens to the audiobooks every day! It's been my routine for the past 3 years and lead me to launch my channel yesterday! The Dark Angels were always my favourite since I was a kid, and the amount of badass moments that The Lion has in the books solidifies that. The Lion returning along with the new terminators is the push that I needed to start getting back into miniatures.
Great summary. For those of us who don't have much free time to read a book we would love to, you helped us understand where the lore has taken us. Which by the way, is a great way to bring grandpa lion into the 40k universe.
6ft normal human lionguard looking up to 12ft tall lion: *My lord, we will protect you!!*
Lion: *b r u h*
22:44 I love that the Lion basically just got "Ok, boomer" by a dying chaos marine
I love that The Lion is worrying about how it will look that he's effectively made a mini Imperium in that part of the galaxy as he remembers how it looked to him when Robute did pretty much the same thing for the same reason back during the Heresy.
Glorious content. Don't apologize for the grind, or the toll it takes on you. Keep doing you, bro.
One of the best Warhammer lore videos I have ever watched. Really makes it easy for a Warhammer noob like me understand the lore without having to know everything. I wish you would do audiobooks on all the Warhammer lore. Keep up the fantastic work legend!!!
I wonder who's going to be the third loyal Primarch to return back, but what do you guys think?
I hope it's either The Khan or Vulcan, but based on sales data It will probably be Russ. Personally speaking though, I think Valdor Will come back before another loyalist primarch
@@weshammer Me too, I mostly think Vulcan is half Ork now, due to the war of the beast.
The Khan
Man Corvus would be optimal especially since he’s half Warp Deamon badass hunting down traitors and the ravenguard haven’t been relevant for a while
Am a XIX beaky so some corax would be nice
It would have been awesome if there was a curse on the Lion where he was aged for each of his fallen. Every son he redeems makes him younger closer to his prime.
I actually like that he has aged appropriately. Gives a good insight into how old all the primarchs (except for Vulkan and perhaps Magnus), would've gotten naturally, which seems to be 15.000-20.000 odd years judging by the Lion's current complexion.
Nah sounds like chaos. If he really wanted to look younger, he can just get a rejuvenat treatment
Don't burn out, bro. It's the quality of your videos we love, not the frequency you post so if you need to take a couple extra days or weeks, no worries. We shall happily wait 😊
Just finished working out. A great treat to see this uploaded after
W mans
Great vid! Tbh it makes me happy that he's happy that Guilliman is alive. I look forward to their eventual reunion
I was in the hospital for a very long time many months, and out of all of my so-called friends the only one who visited me besides family was a guy that I thought was a selfish prick. And he was there asking to help any way he was able.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU Wes!!!! That was incredible. I'm not gonna be able to read this for awhile, so this was a HUGE win for me. Thank you again Battle Buddy!!!
What a great time to be a 40k fan. GW has really stepped up its game. The lions return has to be the greatest reveal in 40k to date and we are all here for it.
I got into warhammer last year and learned about the primarchs and to actual witness one coming back in my era gets me pump for the Imperial of man and setting from here on out for warhammer 40k.
Thank you so much, I have been waiting for your rendition of this. Adeptus Rediculous is still a fantastic summary, but I'm always eager to hear your submission to warhammer 40k subjects.
I watched the entire video and it was only when I read the comment section that I just remembered you didn't appear on the camera for the whole time. I was completely taken by the story telling no kidding.
Also, this often goes unsaid but I really appreciate all the work you do and I hope you stay healthy and able to bring more awesome content in the future. cheers
I wish Wes was around when i started getting into Warhammer because these videos are perfect for new people in hobby. Videos are concise, clear, and flashy enough to keep interest. Keep up the good work ❤
I always gets chills when the Emperor visions and bestows powers to his sons. He might test them but he don't judge, he just share his vision and let them make the decision themselves.
Man. You must've been among the first content creators to get to this books and finish them. We're glad you can do so. I really hope you get to enjoy the value your passion gives us.
Thanks! I had this one marked on my calendar and downloaded the digital version the second it was available.
17:39
Lion: "Explain what's been happening for the last 10,000 years"
Zabriel: "This is going be to a lot..."
*Zabriel reaches into his backpack, pulling put over 200 WH40k books*
Coincidencedently, I picked the Dark angels as my space marine faction to play before this new of the Lions return and it has me all the more excited to collect some more. Like I want to get some heresy marines now and paint them up to match the risen that are depicted in the novel.
Weshammer startin the week off droppin fuckin heat!!!
Damn dude, top notch! Your work, story telling, and passion are truly inspiring!
Thank you for making your vids. I'm new to the 40k universe and it feels like an older brother is teaching about his passion and I'm HERE for it. Love from Malaysia
Hell yeah, talking about the lion himself today!
And bonus
It's an hour long vid!!
Absolutely amazing! I can't wait to read this book. I'd love to hear Wes do a tapping for audible as I love the way he tells the story.
That would be amazing, tho I think Warhammer prefers to use British narrators since it's a British property. Which honestly I appreciate. 😅 Adds a certain charm to it. But I'm super happy to hear you'd listen to a book narrated by me 🙂
@@weshammer true but I'm from the UK and I feel like you'd be a great fit 😁 either way I'm loving your TH-cam content and I look forward to each notification I get. Keep up the good work bro 😄
Thank you for your service, brother. Please take care of yourself!
This is why I love Wes, he always puts out awesome content no matter how tiring and expansive it is to make, like 6:30 in the morning after 3 days of making this? Absolutely amazing
I love that the envoy from the traitors says he wants to be struck then whoever struck him will meet him to return the strike during the final battle. It’s the same concept as The Green Knight story and it’s funnier because the dark angels are usually green and knights lol
Between you and Major Kill I’m learning about this universe and I’m thankful for both of y’all
I really really like this version of the loin. A vary compassionate guard.
The loin? PFffahahahah.
@@crapparc well he certainly has a heavy set of balls
@@gaunterodimm5974 Do you suppose the older they are, the better they are made goes for balls too?
Big ole balls lol
Keep these videos coming! You’re doing an awesome job and I look forward to your longer vids and the extra lore most of us have a harder time finding!
Thank you for making this, i love it! And great job on such an impressive project under such a crunch!
I loved listening to the audiobook. and I personally want the khan to comeback next and to see more books on the modern White Scars
Amazing video Wes and also its really amazing they braught lion back i cant wait to see Guileman and Lion work togather against the chaos or xenos either one will be amazing im pretty sure
Yeah, you got me subscribed, this was extremely well done, can't wait to go back through your assorted works! Crazy how this universe continues to thrive. I've loved 40k for about 28 years and it never disappoints.
I gotta say, this was my favorite of your videos. This explained a lot of items my ADHD kind overlooked while reading(listening) to the book. Thank you, I really enjoyed it
I could easily see this book used to make the new live action series coming out. I think its a great premise to explain current time and put in flashbacks of the horus heresy to explain more exposition in a series.
I’ll never forget the Lion and Rowboats first meeting. He literally did the big brother tying little brothers shoe lace thing with Gorillamans helmet. 😂
What did he do? I haven’t read that quite yet.
@@jamestipton7872 I forget how, but RueButt’s helmet end on the ground as Lion was descending the ramp to his ship. Lion strode over picked it up and dusted it off before handing it back to Girlyman. Girlyman had spent a scene with a human attendee prior to that basically describing how nervous he was. Girly was basically sweating bullets when the Lion appeared. It TOTALY had the feel of the big brother tying the little brothers shoe lace for him.
@@jamestipton7872 oh and this was infront of the ENTIRETY of Ultramar.
@@trentthehehim3936 I remember why Guilliman dropped his helmet in that scene. It’s because the Lion just comes straight up to him and suddenly hugs him. It’s so sudden and not what Guilliman was expecting from the Lion that he drops his helmet in surprise.
@@ShadowGhost0117 Yes, that was it. Still, total big brother tying little brothers shoelace feel. Even if he was hiding Curze in the belly of his ship.
I just want to say a massive thank you to you Wes!!! You are an amazing guy and I think the whole 40K community appreciates you for your hard work and superb videos. You really helped get into the setting and everyone one of ur videos brings me absolute joy❤️
Wow. That was really great storytelling. And I LOLed when he mentioned how the Lion finds Guilliman insufferable haha
Honestly I could listen to you making the audio books for this. This was amazingly well made and I appreciate the effort it took.
Oh hell yeah, praise the Emperor! Perfect timing, just finished binging some past deep dives!
Also, Wes, do you have a 5-10 book list of the essential novels for someone relatively new to their Warhammer lore obession? It's overwhelming trying to figure out which ones to read first.
The absolute best advice I can give you is to pick a faction or character you find interesting and then look up books based on them. That's the best starting point. Think of the 40k universe more like a comic book universe. You don't need to start with the very first Superman comic to get into DC comics.
If you absolutely cannot pick though, the Inquisitor series is fantastic. So you'd start with the eisenhorn trilogy
Caiaphas caine is also a really good starting point.
Then there's the first three Horus heresy books. Absolutely fantastic, but it does require you to know a little bit about the universe. If you've watched a bunch of lore videos though, you can jump right in.
@@weshammer Thanks for the advice! I think I'll start with the Horus Heresy books, I love the Primarchs and their stories. They and the Astartes are definitely my favorite types of characters.
Bro your growth since I found on tiktok is beautiful
We need guys like Wes, Leutin, adeptus ridiculous and more of this OG warhammer youtubers get bigger before it becomes mainstream with the show coming out, we don’t want watchmojos top 10 tv moments to overcome this
We are already dealing with enough tourists as it is.
@@mapleflag6518 100%
Just listening to this while I'm at work i got chills several times. I have to buy this book. This was a amazing video 👏👏
Wonder what’s gonna happen to Cypher and Luther if they will work with the Lion or be killed or imprisoned but now with the Redeemed and the Risen the Lion having more and more sons would be better to have a bigger impact on the conflicts happening right now or very very soon he’ll probably have 4-6K+ space marines or even 10K+
Pretty sure he'll be well over 10k by the end of Arks of Omen since he meets up with the DA and all the successor chapters.
@@ChristianGonzalez-qu6fs yup and he’s more used to a bigger group of warriors especially when he is gonna fight millions of enemies from different factions like Orks Trynids
Im realy hoping that i can field cypher with the Lion.
@@lalle49 would be great I think it’s possible seeing as how he still a Dark Angel
Well one this is for sure, Cypher will have to give Lion back his sword.
I started playing WH40K Tacticus the first time they sponsored you mate, still enjoying the game for its mechanics but especially for the guild chat. We are called Active Players Only, and we work as a team to navigate the grim darkness.
"Even Russ?"
"...even Russ."
_deep breath_
_sigh_
I CRI
Magnus threw a stick into the warp.
The lion the son for the forest was the third warhammer 40k book I've read and loved every bit of it, I've listen to loads of lore videos both from yourself and other channels
Gonna be great seeing the Two brothers team up and whoop any foes who come trying to cause some havoc or Chaos pun intended especially the reunion and what they say and the discussion or anger if there’s any and when he meets Big E and conversation 10K after the hearsay
Saw you on a Tacticus ad. Honestly the first actually good creator ad I've seen in a long time.
You should do a series on the individual primarchs, I think i would be great to get an insight in to the characters
You're a fantastic story teller!! I've been playing Dark Angel for 25 years, these days of Lion El'Jonson's return are long awaited!!!
God this probably made the dark angels and The Lion my favorite space marine chapter and primark
You need to continue this kind of content I really love it
Gathering the Fallen was like space knights of the round table :D
Gonna keep it 100%. This should be his new standard for videos. Beautiful summary. Description and detail to the story without ruining the fine details. Keep it up brother
the only thing I'm going to cherish more than the Lion putting his 'unforgiven' sons in their place for their obsession to hunt 'the fallen' over protecting the imperium, particularly Asmodei and Azrael, more than even his Fallen sons rejoining him as Risen, it'll be the Lion shocking Robute by bro hugging him when they finally reunite.
Thanks for the massive effort in making this video. Staying up pretty much 3 days is exceptionally taxing. Hope you've recovered.
I am going to love to see all of this i cant wait. Also i would love to know about the other emperor's sons am new person to warhammer 40k as well and trying to make necions so the king of them would be good to hear as well. But thank you weshammer for making it fun and interesting to see. :)
I'm so happy WesHammer started making lore videos on the scifi-universe we all love. Much love and respect to you and the content you make because you help make our day more tolerable and exciting.
I can't wait for more chaos primarks tbh, fulgrim is so cool and I think a model of him in demon form would be awesome. Great video btw!
To just get stomped again as usual?
Fulgrim is the only lame chaos primarch. Even angrons and mortarions sons like kharn and typhus are cooler than fulgrim.
Fulgrums only good moment is when he got owned by rylanor, and in turn created one of the greatest songs of all time.
I would prefer a Chaos Undivided Primarch, so either Lorgar or in a way Perturabo.
You have developed to such a skilled storyteller, and this video is perhaps one of your best ones yet. I litterary stopped everything I was doing and just sat in the couch with my dog on my lap listening from the beginning to the end. Thank you for a wonderfull story, and keep up the good work. I await in anticipation for your next.
"There's no spell. You're OLD." lmao.
@Weshammer your vids are like short audiobooks, i love listening to it, while playing cosy building games, kinda calms me down.^^
"The Fallen shall be forever remembered as the Emperor's Finest."
I'm picking up the book today! Thanks for the video Wes!
Lion finding out about the circumstances of Robute's ressurection: YOU DID WHAT? WITH A WHAT?