One more - I remember seeing another gun tuber had an issue with a fiber optic sight on the front. He said later, in a follow up, the fiber optic wasn't melted right and it was moving with each shot. He pulled the fiber out and replaced it and that fixed the problem.
Don't give up! What makes this a great review is the intrigue of what will happen next. I would give Springfield a chance. The best case scenario is that you find a fix along with Springfield so the entire gun community wins. Much thanks for your efforts!
In my opinion the 3.8 elite Springfield is the best 10mm gun out right now because it checks all the boxes from concealed carry to home defense and hunting
Agree I grabbed one 3 months ago. That thing is super reliable and accurate. I'm no marksman by any means but at 15 yards I was shooting 1 inch groups.
@@josephdiluzio5353 exactly because most self defense situations is 7 to 15 yards and for a 3.8 10mm it is mad accurate and I love the red optic sights on it u don’t even need the red dot
Don’t forget the g29….I’m only here to choose which xdm I want…my pop and I are on Glock overload so we are branching out…I like the od green and FDE xdm…but I’m a compact guy so Im here for the 3.8 only up on g29 is that is not optic ready and xd is
Outstanding. The bench rest shows the gun and takes our the personal factor. I have the 3.8 and am pleased. As for the match barrel, I've read nothing certifies the barrels as match, it's just marketing.
I have watched tons of reviews on the XDM elite OSP 4.5 barrel and I have not seen anyone have any accuracy problems with the 4.5. I would call Springfield and talk to them and you could even have them watch this video and see what they say. I would like to know. I have the 4.5 on order and I am suppose to pick it up tomorrow. I have multiple concealed carry guns and I want to use this one in the woods with a chest rig while horse back riding. Good luck and let us know what they say.
...I just saw your review of this video and the guns reviewed...I would really like to hear what your accuracy has been after getting your 4.5 in. XDM 10mm...I am on the fence right now and about to make a purchase of one or the other of these two guns...I am leaning toward the 4.5 in. as it will be used primarily for bear defense but the accuracy issue has me concerned...I don't like the short grip on the 3.8 in. but I guess you can get and extended magazine that will help out with that problem but I don't like the inaccuracy of the 4.5 in. if that is in fact the case...I would appreciate your input...tia...
Please call them… I hope you did today. I sure hate that especially since mine should arrive Thursday. As soon as a website has the 3.8 back in stock, I hope to snag one.
I'm guessing you'll have a lot of comments saying you should have used more than one type of ammo in this session to get across section with various makers' rounds.
give SA a chance to make it better. I've noticed that you've chambered every Rd from a closed slide....... curious if and when this will inertia load. You could always trade it in for the new Sig P320 XTEN
The 3.8" is my daily driver and my backup when I don't feel like lugging my revolvers to the woods. I love that little gun! Vortex Venom is definitely a solid choice up top too.
I'm always good seeing you range time. My 2 10mm Ruger SR1911 5" and my Tanfoglio Witness P 4.5" . Love both however my Tanfoglio Witness is a bigger kick than the Ruger. Thanks Turk!
Sigh ... It's always frustrating when you save up the money, are excited with your purchase and immediately have to send something back for repair. I have had to do this with several firearms across several brands. The return repair description is always vague. Not surprisingly, I have not kept any of them after return. Call them and send it back. I'm curious to see their answer regarding the included test target showing high & right. It's not a hand grenade, it's supposed to be a match grade barrel.
I think it’s something with that gun I have the 3.8 however I’m thinking on getting the 4.5 still because other TH-camrs have done the same accuracy comparison as you.. n it’s been the same mostly n in other cases better
Wow! Just saw this review. About 18 months ago I bought the XDM 10mm 5.25”. Took it to the range and couldn’t believe how bad my groups were. I thought it must be me, so I asked another experienced shooter at the range to test my gun for accuracy. His groups were just as bad. Called Springfield and their customer service agreed to send a shipping label to return the gun for inspection. After a short turn around, Springfield returned my gun with a test target with a good group that they said was shot with my gun. They said no repairs were needed. Even though I own and shoot reasonably well a couple of 10mm 1911s,a Glock 20, and now a Sig 220, I still cannot make that Springfield group worth a damn. Not sure what is going on. I will say Springfield’s customer service was very responsive. When they sent me my gun back with the good test target, I just figured it was me. Now I’m not so sure. Guess I need to take it out of the safe and let a few other people try it to see.
Oh wow.....thats kinda shaky. 🤔 I would be all over them after making sure. I have doubted myself sometimes. But when you know you shoot decently and all of a sudden you don't something is wrong. If confirmed by more than a couple of people you know you can trust your gut. I personally have no patience for these shenanigans. It's really important that defensive tools work properly. Part of that is accuracy. We are responsible for every bullet that leaves our barrel. 👍👊🦃
It might be the ammo being used. You should have asked Springfield what ammo they used to get that group and try it with the ammo they used. Ammo makes a big difference, cheap ammo or bad ammo is the only thing that can get you groups like that. Case and point, the Underwood Sig 357 with 65 grain bullets rated at 2200 FPS are off target just like in this video, but the Underwood Sig 357 in 125 grain was way more accurate and looked like the groups that were shot with the 3.8 10mm XD elite in this video. So, it might be the ammo if anything, but I can honestly say when I switched to the Spear Gold Dot Sig 357 it was dead on accurate and thats what I run, that or Buffalo Bore.
Seems like if you want an XDm Elite, go with the 3.8" barrel. If you want a higher velocity hunting-length barrel, go with a long-slide 1911 and deal with a reduced capacity.
Even with the cycling problem I have with a 3.8 I must admit it is a very accurate firearm. Now I did get lucky with my Smith & Wesson 4.6. It has consistently Shot 2 inch groups at 30 yards but I do use a holosun. It is a pain in the ass but I would like to see how customer service goes about trying to rectify the situation. From one lemon buyer to another lemon buyer keep us posted
Hey I got the Springfield back the 3.8 compact. Springfield said nothing was wrong with it but I noticed they did some polishing on the polymer frame. So for a 100 rounds through. And I started off with the Underwood 205 grain hard cast 50 rounds of that. 50 rounds of 220 Federal hardcast. I hate the rear sight but oh my goodness is that damn thing accurate no issues I hope it continues. Stole your idea and got the two 15 round magazines. Game changer
Hey turkey man. A few years ago I bought the xdm 10mm with threaded barrel 4.5". I put a red dot on it, but it didn't matter. My groups of a rest where horrible. I tried several different types of ammo. Reloads and factory, it didn't matter. Well, I don't have that one anymore. On a side note, the 3.8 10mm and my older 3.8 xdm 45 was very accurate at all distances. Just saying.....
My XDM 9mm when I had it would shoot within a quarter size group at 10 yards. Never shot further than on paper so not sure at 20 yards but I'd expect it would have shot better than the 10mm.
@@theturkeysopinion one of the few guns I should have kept but I had a few reasons I decided to sell it. Biggest reason is went to hammer fired. Second is I wanted the same trigger pull on all my carry guns. Third is I'd never use it as an EDC. Still it was one of my best shooters.
I have a 4.5 inch that was made a few years ago and I’ll have to see what mine does on the range. The reason I wanted the longer barrel was for better ballistics. I want as much punch as I can get and frankly, the sights or long range accuracy are not that much concern to me. This is a home defense weapon for inside my home so it will be point and shoot at 10’ or less. I want something that with each round sent there will be one clown down.
I like my 4.5” and it is accurate. It shoots every kind of ammo. I like a thumb safety but that is the only issue I have. Don’t know why there is a hole in the back. The people In Alaska complain about dirt getting in the hole. Better than the smith and Wesson
My dad's Ruger American 450 Bushy shoots 2" @ 100yds the typical Hornady ammo. To him, that's terrible. :) Mine will shoot 3/4". My first glock shot 4" group 4" left @ 7 yds. That was with S&B. Switched to a different ammo and it was shooting fine out to 20 yds. Just because one load shoots good in one gun doesn't mean it will shoot good in another. I'm waiting for Bud's to ship my 4.5" Elite 10mm.
Got no idea why but I shoot all my pistols high off a rest. Free hand I'm dead on or slightly low depending on which pistol. Anyone got any theories why?
From my point of view you are a good shooter 💯. You shot 💥 enough guns, to know the truth about firearm's 💯. Like the saying goes. When you got it, U GOT IT‼️Send the 4.5 XDM back to Springfield Armory 💯💯
I don't know why you'd let just 5 rounds of one bullet type determine your entire assessment of the 4.5 inch?? Why not have another experienced shooter try it? Maybe it's just you. Why not shoot different 10mm ammo from various companies before you call Springfield?
I would move 1/2 the distance from the target fire another group. Then put an optic on and repeat both distances to see if it is the iron sight dot/U or if it is still bad with either. There is an outside chance these don't like the powders and bullet combos that we find accurate in other pistols. So possibly try another powder? I have never seen a xd, xdm, or an xds that was not accurate with the some type of mainstream ammo. Even the little xds 3.3s are scary accurate for what the are
Why aren't you using a red dot on these guns? 3.8" is what I want but I'd send the 4.5" back and let them make it right. I also have heard stories about the front fibre optic sight occasionally being a problem
I wouldn't get rid of the gun based on 1 five-shot group. At least try a few more groups. Also, you might want to look closely at the crown of the barrel to see if there is anything not correct there. I have a Glock 20, and I like it. It's just a big ole squared-off "shooting appliance" of a pistol. Ugly but it works.
I’d hit up Springfield their customer service is usually great I messed up, and busted my rear sight off of my 5.25 XDM elite. They shipped me a new one a couple of days later. I got busy, and misplaced it, and I went back to them, and told them what happened. They sent me a new one right away. Great service in my opinion if you’re feeling. That 10mm love for that 4.5 I’d send it in. I think I’m gonna get the compact for my new carry option soon, but I think I may wait for the 5.25, ands get the new P320 X Ten for my full size option.
first the trigger problem, now this lemon... I don't know what to think about these Springfield 10mm pistols. I really wanted the 3.8 to be my carry pistol. Turkey, with the new trigger in your 3.8, do you feel confident to rely on it as your carry weapon?
Man you have all the luck! I knew something was up with that factory group the first time you did a video on the gun… In my opinion gun manufacturers need to have some of the strictest QC and a lot miss the mark any more these days ….
I usually don’t buy a full size unless there’s a duty requirement. But full size 5” in 9mm I’d go with a SIG P320. Put it this way I haven’t missed a shot in qualifying since the Army adopted the M18. We qual at 25m best out of 40 shots.
Who knows certain guns like certain ammo others don’t. If you have some other ammo try a few to see if it groups better. Sights do appear off though. Don’t see the benefit of the 4.5 over the 3.8 otherwise. Not a real advantage with just over 1/2 inch increase in barrel length. Would also be interesting if SA would make it better or just say it shoots within acceptable tolerance. Good luck.
IMO, you need to call Springfield and get a response to see their reaction and what their move would/could be. Then send it off/trade it for the 5 inch 9mm. You have the 3.8 and extended mags, so you're good, ya? I am with my 3.8, thanks to you Tom! Good shit as always! Could you please let us know what holster you're runnin with your 3.8?
potential issue with both those guns is the gaping hole in the back . Every gun has it purpose i suppose , but those id be wary of what you use it for , i own the 4.5 as it fits my hands better. There are better options out there for everyday carry i feel. I'd be concerned of crap falling in that gap and it failing when you need it most. I just shoot my basically for enjoyment and seem to have had better luck than you. I have carried it hiking , but am careful where i put it , to keep it fairly clean from debris. My backup is a fire extinguisher sized can of bear mace. I've also seen a couple of videos where the red dot hex dragonfly optic has flown off and clocked the shooter. Factory or op error ? Who knows. Hey keep up the videos , nice work !!
Thanks for watching! Definitely worried about that dirt entrance for sure. I recently been carrying my revolvers just due to the fact I'm in an extremely dirty environment all day right now. I'm not posting my polymers beyond 1 or 2 days without a cleaning. That gap is big enough where it needs one of those doorway brushes to fill the gap lol👊👍🦃
I say, send it back to make sure they do right by you but yeah you’re probably correct on the b.s. they’re gonna spew at you. Send it, make sure it’s all good, then sell/trade it. I believe these companies are too quick to jump in on the 10mm market almost the way they did when the .40 came out. Many just swapped out a barrel and mags from their 9’s and had issues. Others who made dedicated .40’s had little to no issues. Right now, S&W are having problems with their 10’s and Sig just intro’d their 320 in 10mm, let’s see how that works out. Dump it, get a 19X (best GLOCK ever, imo), G45, 17, 19. I don’t hate SA, I do hate lemons, except for lemonade! Enjoyed the video.
Anyone else think it's kind of crazy to do an accuracy review based on a single 5 round group? You could have shot a few groups to confirm you're on, could have tried different types of ammo in case that's a load the gun doesn't happen to like. A sample size of one just isn't enough info.
So I picked up my 3.8"elite osp, and as much as I love its form factor, just a hair too short on the grip. Like, .2" to .3" taller would be perfect! I was like huh if only it was like the grip on my 4.5" xdm 10mm.... 🤔 So experiment with caution.... but I found out that my 3.8" upper assembly slide, barrel and recoil spring fit just fine on my 4.5" frame. Now I got 15+1 and its only about .5" taller. YMMV and IANAL and proceed with caution danger ahead 🤪
I'm sure either one would be a great choice. Its a super accurate pistol. I personally think the 10mm is a great option but ammo availability is a big deal. If you can get a hold of ten by far I would say ten. Unless you plan on doing a lot of shooting then nine millimeter would be much more cost effective👊🦃👍
I have been watching you like religion since you started the 10mm saga, your shooting skills are exceptional, tactics are well planned and ammo is precisely choosen, so any conspiracy that you possibly wanted to favour one gun over the other in my book is out the door. It looks like SA rushed out the development of full size due to S&W being there and Sig Sauer coming out,,,I kind of see that you feel betrayed by the SA full size, especially when you wanted it to love it like your 3.8....how about P320 X Ten lol ???
Absolutely call Springfield...mention your TH-cam channel and test and give them an opportunity to make it right. Wouldn't you at least want to know what the problem is and the solution of same? I have dealt with them numerous times over the years and they have ALWAYS made things right. Sure, sometimes you deal with an airhead and its frustrating, but in the end it is worth the shot. You can always get rid of the gun!
@@kevinhurley7021 Well I'm definitely not an expert lol. But you're right! The only reason I even made a channel was because I was going crazy watching the so called experts do everything wrong or lie. I'm sure I do plenty wrong but at least I don't lie to you! Thanks for watching! I truly appreciate it.👊🦃👍
I seen a lot of guns hear lately that have not been up to from big name gun manufacturers, I bought the new sig 22 and I had nutting but trouble with it , sent it back and the said they fixed it but still doing the same shit , it is jams up if u talk about going to shoot it, I don’t no what I’m going to do with it cause I can’t sale nobody a shit gun,
Change the ammo dude. Not all guns even the same brand and model shoot all ammo well. Just how it goes. I will assure you I can put 5 in that second circle without the rest in almost any pistol you have. You just need to know what ammo the weapon shoots well and where POI is vs POA. You need to under the term accuracy sir.
The idea that a 25yd zero vs. a 15yd zero vs a 35 or 40yd zero would make a hill-o-beans difference with 10mm at these ranges is kind of laughable. If you're running 1200 fps ammo from a 4.5 barrel, you're not throwing a rainbow arc under 30+ yards. Maybe start talking about rainbow arc when you're shooting at 75 to 100 yards from this caliber. Something is serious screwed up with that barrel.
As much as I think we would all love to know whats wrong with it, send it back amd get your glock or new Sig. You already had the other one repaired and it is great now, but shouldn't have to keep doing that. They should see they are already losing an s-ton of customers.
That’s a big disappointment. XDm’s are usually fairly accurate pistols. I knew Springfield would come out with the XDm Elite in 10mm but didn’t think they would take this long. I had high hopes for it but that definitely does not meet expectations in my opinion. Have to see if this is unique to yours or not. Good info either way. Thanks for moving quick on this. May have to seek another option as a Glock simply is not for me.
One more - I remember seeing another gun tuber had an issue with a fiber optic sight on the front. He said later, in a follow up, the fiber optic wasn't melted right and it was moving with each shot. He pulled the fiber out and replaced it and that fixed the problem.
You have to give them a chance, we as your viewers will be best served. Thanks
Be interesting if you could put the 4.5 barrel in the 3.8 slide and frame and see what happens
I second this comment.
As always great vid! I would at least call SA and listen to them.
Chuke’s channel has a video on that, as he has both as well.
I seen a viedo where someone did that exact thing.He stated he was gonna keep it that way.
Yes I agree wholeheartedly!
I really like that you show accuracy on paper in your videos, not just plinking
Don't give up! What makes this a great review is the intrigue of what will happen next. I would give Springfield a chance. The best case scenario is that you find a fix along with Springfield so the entire gun community wins. Much thanks for your efforts!
In my opinion the 3.8 elite Springfield is the best 10mm gun out right now because it checks all the boxes from concealed carry to home defense and hunting
Agree I grabbed one 3 months ago. That thing is super reliable and accurate. I'm no marksman by any means but at 15 yards I was shooting 1 inch groups.
@@josephdiluzio5353 exactly because most self defense situations is 7 to 15 yards and for a 3.8 10mm it is mad accurate and I love the red optic sights on it u don’t even need the red dot
Just a question to anyone who may know, is it to dangerous to fire a 10mm in your home in self defense because of the noise and your ear drums❓
Don’t forget the g29….I’m only here to choose which xdm I want…my pop and I are on Glock overload so we are branching out…I like the od green and FDE xdm…but I’m a compact guy so Im here for the 3.8 only up on g29 is that is not optic ready and xd is
@@timothyharrell7253 yea it’s safe just don’t shoot a ak47 in your house
Def give Springfield a chance to reply. Continue exploring 10mm's. ty for video.
I like how you call it like you see it regardless of brand of firearm
I would consult with Springfield show them the two groups of your shots and see if they can do something but that 3.8 would be mychoice.
Great video. I have a 4.5 threaded AND A 3.8 10MM and red dot on the 4.5 and it's a one hole gun at 25yrd from a rest.
Nice. I love it when they do that👍👊🦃
Outstanding. The bench rest shows the gun and takes our the personal factor. I have the 3.8 and am pleased. As for the match barrel, I've read nothing certifies the barrels as match, it's just marketing.
Thanks for watching! And it figures.... marketing crap. I cant believe they sent it out like that👍👊🦃
I have watched tons of reviews on the XDM elite OSP 4.5 barrel and I have not seen anyone have any accuracy problems with the 4.5. I would call Springfield and talk to them and you could even have them watch this video and see what they say. I would like to know. I have the 4.5 on order and I am suppose to pick it up tomorrow. I have multiple concealed carry guns and I want to use this one in the woods with a chest rig while horse back riding. Good luck and let us know what they say.
...I just saw your review of this video and the guns reviewed...I would really like to hear what your accuracy has been after getting your 4.5 in. XDM 10mm...I am on the fence right now and about to make a purchase of one or the other of these two guns...I am leaning toward the 4.5 in. as it will be used primarily for bear defense but the accuracy issue has me concerned...I don't like the short grip on the 3.8 in. but I guess you can get and extended magazine that will help out with that problem but I don't like the inaccuracy of the 4.5 in. if that is in fact the case...I would appreciate your input...tia...
Please call them… I hope you did today. I sure hate that especially since mine should arrive Thursday. As soon as a website has the 3.8 back in stock, I hope to snag one.
Was there a follow up video? What happened with this gun?
I think you should shoot it a little more. I’m not convinced after only 5 rounds.
I would love to know what SA said as well as what they are willing to do, I.e., new MATCH barrel.
I'm guessing you'll have a lot of comments saying you should have used more than one type of ammo in this session to get across section with various makers' rounds.
give SA a chance to make it better.
I've noticed that you've chambered every Rd from a closed slide....... curious if and when this will inertia load.
You could always trade it in for the new Sig P320 XTEN
The 3.8" is my daily driver and my backup when I don't feel like lugging my revolvers to the woods. I love that little gun! Vortex Venom is definitely a solid choice up top too.
Such a great gun. Is carried it all day yesterday. Working at the farm. Just in case any of those turkeys gave me a bad attitude.....👍🦃👊
Why is the slide beat up ,is the barrel the same?
On the 3.8? That thing has been through a lot lol. 👍👊🦃
I'm always good seeing you range time. My 2 10mm Ruger SR1911 5" and my Tanfoglio Witness P 4.5" . Love both however my Tanfoglio Witness is a bigger kick than the Ruger. Thanks Turk!
Added thoughts make Springfield deal . Make it right. For your time and $$$
Excellent reviews all the time you are a great shooter
Thanks for watching! And thank you for the comment!👍👊🦃
Sigh ... It's always frustrating when you save up the money, are excited with your purchase and immediately have to send something back for repair. I have had to do this with several firearms across several brands. The return repair description is always vague. Not surprisingly, I have not kept any of them after return.
Call them and send it back. I'm curious to see their answer regarding the included test target showing high & right. It's not a hand grenade, it's supposed to be a match grade barrel.
Yet another great video sir. Mayne some hellcat pro next? Mayne a pistol vice to take out any possible errors.
I think it’s something with that gun I have the 3.8 however I’m thinking on getting the 4.5 still because other TH-camrs have done the same accuracy comparison as you.. n it’s been the same mostly n in other cases better
Rarely do I see someone shoot worse with a shorter barrel length... I had zero issues with mine.
Wow! Just saw this review. About 18 months ago I bought the XDM 10mm 5.25”. Took it to the range and couldn’t believe how bad my groups were. I thought it must be me, so I asked another experienced shooter at the range to test my gun for accuracy. His groups were just as bad. Called Springfield and their customer service agreed to send a shipping label to return the gun for inspection. After a short turn around, Springfield returned my gun with a test target with a good group that they said was shot with my gun. They said no repairs were needed. Even though I own and shoot reasonably well a couple of 10mm 1911s,a Glock 20, and now a Sig 220, I still cannot make that Springfield group worth a damn. Not sure what is going on. I will say Springfield’s customer service was very responsive. When they sent me my gun back with the good test target, I just figured it was me. Now I’m not so sure. Guess I need to take it out of the safe and let a few other people try it to see.
Oh wow.....thats kinda shaky. 🤔
I would be all over them after making sure. I have doubted myself sometimes. But when you know you shoot decently and all of a sudden you don't something is wrong. If confirmed by more than a couple of people you know you can trust your gut.
I personally have no patience for these shenanigans. It's really important that defensive tools work properly. Part of that is accuracy. We are responsible for every bullet that leaves our barrel.
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Did they explain what ammo they used? Sounds like that might be the only variable
It might be the ammo being used. You should have asked Springfield what ammo they used to get that group and try it with the ammo they used. Ammo makes a big difference, cheap ammo or bad ammo is the only thing that can get you groups like that. Case and point, the Underwood Sig 357 with 65 grain bullets rated at 2200 FPS are off target just like in this video, but the Underwood Sig 357 in 125 grain was way more accurate and looked like the groups that were shot with the 3.8 10mm XD elite in this video. So, it might be the ammo if anything, but I can honestly say when I switched to the Spear Gold Dot Sig 357 it was dead on accurate and thats what I run, that or Buffalo Bore.
Seems like if you want an XDm Elite, go with the 3.8" barrel. If you want a higher velocity hunting-length barrel, go with a long-slide 1911 and deal with a reduced capacity.
Glad I’m still waiting on choosing my second 10mm pistol.
I’m thinking of the (NEW) Sig Sauer P320-XTEN 10mm
Even with the cycling problem I have with a 3.8 I must admit it is a very accurate firearm. Now I did get lucky with my Smith & Wesson 4.6. It has consistently Shot 2 inch groups at 30 yards but I do use a holosun. It is a pain in the ass but I would like to see how customer service goes about trying to rectify the situation. From one lemon buyer to another lemon buyer keep us posted
Wow. Opposite of my problems lol. My 4" M&P was trash but 3.8 XDM is awesome.
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Hey I got the Springfield back the 3.8 compact. Springfield said nothing was wrong with it but I noticed they did some polishing on the polymer frame. So for a 100 rounds through. And I started off with the Underwood 205 grain hard cast 50 rounds of that. 50 rounds of 220 Federal hardcast. I hate the rear sight but oh my goodness is that damn thing accurate no issues I hope it continues. Stole your idea and got the two 15 round magazines. Game changer
Hey turkey man. A few years ago I bought the xdm 10mm with threaded barrel 4.5". I put a red dot on it, but it didn't matter. My groups of a rest where horrible. I tried several different types of ammo. Reloads and factory, it didn't matter. Well, I don't have that one anymore. On a side note, the 3.8 10mm and my older 3.8 xdm 45 was very accurate at all distances. Just saying.....
My XDM 9mm when I had it would shoot within a quarter size group at 10 yards. Never shot further than on paper so not sure at 20 yards but I'd expect it would have shot better than the 10mm.
Right! Its weird for sure. 👍👊🦃
Im bummed because i wanted the 5.25" 9mm....
@@theturkeysopinion one of the few guns I should have kept but I had a few reasons I decided to sell it. Biggest reason is went to hammer fired. Second is I wanted the same trigger pull on all my carry guns. Third is I'd never use it as an EDC. Still it was one of my best shooters.
I have a 4.5 inch that was made a few years ago and I’ll have to see what mine does on the range. The reason I wanted the longer barrel was for better ballistics. I want as much punch as I can get and frankly, the sights or long range accuracy are not that much concern to me. This is a home defense weapon for inside my home so it will be point and shoot at 10’ or less. I want something that with each round sent there will be one clown down.
Thats makes sense. 👊👍🦃
I think at least one other load should be tried and it might be possible that the pistol was zeroed at the factory with a six o'clock hold.
I tried S&B and handloads. You could be rigjt about 6:00 but why? The 3.8 is spot on 🦃👊👍
I like my 4.5” and it is accurate. It shoots every kind of ammo. I like a thumb safety but that is the only issue I have. Don’t know why there is a hole in the back. The people In Alaska complain about dirt getting in the hole. Better than the smith and Wesson
My dad's Ruger American 450 Bushy shoots 2" @ 100yds the typical Hornady ammo. To him, that's terrible. :) Mine will shoot 3/4". My first glock shot 4" group 4" left @ 7 yds. That was with S&B. Switched to a different ammo and it was shooting fine out to 20 yds. Just because one load shoots good in one gun doesn't mean it will shoot good in another. I'm waiting for Bud's to ship my 4.5" Elite 10mm.
Got no idea why but I shoot all my pistols high off a rest. Free hand I'm dead on or slightly low depending on which pistol. Anyone got any theories why?
From my point of view you are a good shooter 💯. You shot 💥 enough guns, to know the truth about firearm's 💯. Like the saying goes. When you got it, U GOT IT‼️Send the 4.5 XDM back to Springfield Armory 💯💯
I don't know why you'd let just 5 rounds of one bullet type determine your entire assessment of the 4.5 inch?? Why not have another experienced shooter try it? Maybe it's just you. Why not shoot different 10mm ammo from various companies before you call Springfield?
I need more reviews! I'm super happy with my 3.8". I think I'm going to pass on the 4.5, just get the g40 to complete my glock 10mm collection.
I would move 1/2 the distance from the target fire another group. Then put an optic on and repeat both distances to see if it is the iron sight dot/U or if it is still bad with either. There is an outside chance these don't like the powders and bullet combos that we find accurate in other pistols. So possibly try another powder? I have never seen a xd, xdm, or an xds that was not accurate with the some type of mainstream ammo. Even the little xds 3.3s are scary accurate for what the are
Where you drinking before you shot?
I’m GETTING MY 10mm 3.8 compact SOONN 🔥🔥
Why aren't you using a red dot on these guns? 3.8" is what I want but I'd send the 4.5" back and let them make it right. I also have heard stories about the front fibre optic sight occasionally being a problem
And yes call spring field!!! 🔥🔥
I wouldn't get rid of the gun based on 1 five-shot group. At least try a few more groups. Also, you might want to look closely at the crown of the barrel to see if there is anything not correct there. I have a Glock 20, and I like it. It's just a big ole squared-off "shooting appliance" of a pistol. Ugly but it works.
I was going to wait and see if a 5.5” might come but after seeing this that glock 40 is still looking good on the radar
Seems like a barrel or barrel fit problem.
I think you should send it to Springfield and see what they do.
👍👊🦃 something is off for sure
I would get a hold of Springfield
Good stuff
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Is it just me or did the 3.8 have less visible recoil?
It does! Its easier on you for sure. I love the 3.8👍👊🦃
More length = more recoil
I'd send it back to SA let them apply weights and balances test it and then communicate with you the results & get your opinion. Gr8 vid keepm rolling
Thanks for watching! Ill try!👍👊🦃
Don’t like green targets ,nice pattern 🙈,cool to test another barrel ,have fun !
Thanks for watching!👍👊🦃
I’d hit up Springfield their customer service is usually great I messed up, and busted my rear sight off of my 5.25 XDM elite. They shipped me a new one a couple of days later. I got busy, and misplaced it, and I went back to them, and told them what happened. They sent me a new one right away. Great service in my opinion if you’re feeling. That 10mm love for that 4.5 I’d send it in. I think I’m gonna get the compact for my new carry option soon, but I think I may wait for the 5.25, ands get the new P320 X Ten for my full size option.
X ten is gonna be nice I hope!🦃👊👍
I'd trade it.
I'm still looking for an auto 10mm that I could trust, lol. I haven't seen one yet.
Agreed, the 10mm pistols ALL seem to have significant problems of one kind or another. I'm guessing the round is just too powerful for autoloaders.
first the trigger problem, now this lemon... I don't know what to think about these Springfield 10mm pistols. I really wanted the 3.8 to be my carry pistol. Turkey, with the new trigger in your 3.8, do you feel confident to rely on it as your carry weapon?
Man you have all the luck! I knew something was up with that factory group the first time you did a video on the gun…
In my opinion gun manufacturers need to have some of the strictest QC and a lot miss the mark any more these days ….
I usually don’t buy a full size unless there’s a duty requirement. But full size 5” in 9mm I’d go with a SIG P320. Put it this way I haven’t missed a shot in qualifying since the Army adopted the M18. We qual at 25m best out of 40 shots.
Nice. That would be a nice choice🤔
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Who knows certain guns like certain ammo others don’t. If you have some other ammo try a few to see if it groups better. Sights do appear off though. Don’t see the benefit of the 4.5 over the 3.8 otherwise. Not a real advantage with just over 1/2 inch increase in barrel length. Would also be interesting if SA would make it better or just say it shoots within acceptable tolerance. Good luck.
IMO, you need to call Springfield and get a response to see their reaction and what their move would/could be. Then send it off/trade it for the 5 inch 9mm.
You have the 3.8 and extended mags, so you're good, ya? I am with my 3.8, thanks to you Tom!
Good shit as always!
Could you please let us know what holster you're runnin with your 3.8?
potential issue with both those guns is the gaping hole in the back . Every gun has it purpose i suppose , but those id be wary of what you use it for , i own the 4.5 as it fits my hands better. There are better options out there for everyday carry i feel. I'd be concerned of crap falling in that gap and it failing when you need it most. I just shoot my basically for enjoyment and seem to have had better luck than you. I have carried it hiking , but am careful where i put it , to keep it fairly clean from debris. My backup is a fire extinguisher sized can of bear mace.
I've also seen a couple of videos where the red dot hex dragonfly optic has flown off and clocked the shooter. Factory or op error ? Who knows. Hey keep up the videos , nice work !!
Thanks for watching! Definitely worried about that dirt entrance for sure. I recently been carrying my revolvers just due to the fact I'm in an extremely dirty environment all day right now. I'm not posting my polymers beyond 1 or 2 days without a cleaning.
That gap is big enough where it needs one of those doorway brushes to fill the gap lol👊👍🦃
Not saying you suck at shooting but maybe you should have someone else shoot it to see if maybe it's user error.
Have someone else shoot it. That’s a wild group at 20 yards.
I say, send it back to make sure they do right by you but yeah you’re probably correct on the b.s. they’re gonna spew at you. Send it, make sure it’s all good, then sell/trade it. I believe these companies are too quick to jump in on the 10mm market almost the way they did when the .40 came out. Many just swapped out a barrel and mags from their 9’s and had issues. Others who made dedicated .40’s had little to no issues. Right now, S&W are having problems with their 10’s and Sig just intro’d their 320 in 10mm, let’s see how that works out. Dump it, get a 19X (best GLOCK ever, imo), G45, 17, 19.
I don’t hate SA, I do hate lemons, except for lemonade!
Enjoyed the video.
The 3.8 is the way to go , I’m very happy with mine ,, way to go 🦃 🦃gobble gobble
Heck yeah. On my hip rigjt now. Love it👍👊🦃
I’d contact customer service and see how they want to handle the issue first.
Anyone else think it's kind of crazy to do an accuracy review based on a single 5 round group? You could have shot a few groups to confirm you're on, could have tried different types of ammo in case that's a load the gun doesn't happen to like. A sample size of one just isn't enough info.
So I picked up my 3.8"elite osp, and as much as I love its form factor, just a hair too short on the grip. Like, .2" to .3" taller would be perfect! I was like huh if only it was like the grip on my 4.5" xdm 10mm.... 🤔
So experiment with caution.... but I found out that my 3.8" upper assembly slide, barrel and recoil spring fit just fine on my 4.5" frame. Now I got 15+1 and its only about .5" taller. YMMV and IANAL and proceed with caution danger ahead 🤪
Hmm. Interesting🤔
Thanks for the info!👊👍🦃
You can get an extended magazine with the 3.8 that holds 15 rounds and makes it much easier to grip
Check the crown of the 4.5
I say give Springfield a chance to make it right. I get the feeling that there is a good gun in there, just waiting to break free.
Trade it on a P320 X-10
I'm Wondering, Should I Get The OSP 3.8, 9 Or 10mm. For CCW...
I'm sure either one would be a great choice. Its a super accurate pistol. I personally think the 10mm is a great option but ammo availability is a big deal. If you can get a hold of ten by far I would say ten. Unless you plan on doing a lot of shooting then nine millimeter would be much more cost effective👊🦃👍
I have been watching you like religion since you started the 10mm saga, your shooting skills are exceptional, tactics are well planned and ammo is precisely choosen, so any conspiracy that you possibly wanted to favour one gun over the other in my book is out the door. It looks like SA rushed out the development of full size due to S&W being there and Sig Sauer coming out,,,I kind of see that you feel betrayed by the SA full size, especially when you wanted it to love it like your 3.8....how about P320 X Ten lol ???
That’s wierd that the longer barrel
Don’t shoot more accurate
Right!🦃👊👍
Was the issue ever fixed ?
Unless it's a Dan Wesson Kodiak. Then you're fine. 😁
I rented this gun for my concealed carry and I almost failed for the terrible accuracy
Oh geez..the 4.5?🦃👊👍
@@theturkeysopinion yes never again
Where can I get a sticker of your turkey
Your need a new barrel on the 4.5 pistol.
Shes gone lol. But you are right I bet🦃👍👊
Dump it & pick up Beretta 92x RDO Compact.
Short reset trigger, grip & sight picture is perfection
Why go with a high capacity 9mm, when you can spray 650 bb's from a Daisy Red Rider?
you've put tons thru the 3.8 , you're better with it ...
Absolutely call Springfield...mention your TH-cam channel and test and give them an opportunity to make it right. Wouldn't you at least want to know what the problem is and the
solution of same? I have dealt with them numerous times over the years and they have ALWAYS made things right. Sure, sometimes you deal with an airhead and its frustrating, but
in the end it is worth the shot. You can always get rid of the gun!
watched a lot of other people , who had no issues (videos), maybe start with a .22
Bro...watch my other videos on the 3.8 before you make foolish comments....👍👊🦃
relax "bro" , just playing , fun watching all the gun experts on you tube
@@kevinhurley7021 Well I'm definitely not an expert lol. But you're right!
The only reason I even made a channel was because I was going crazy watching the so called experts do everything wrong or lie. I'm sure I do plenty wrong but at least I don't lie to you!
Thanks for watching! I truly appreciate it.👊🦃👍
Call Springfield!
Contact springfield see how customers satisfaction is or isn't important. I agree lemon
Send it to Springfield
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Call Springfield 👍🏼
And I would send it back
I have no patience👍👊🦃
Your trigger pull is horrible. Also, your eyes shot be above and slightly below the target. Work on those two things and you may shot much better.
Either you're messing with me or you have no idea what you're talking about..... Not sure which
I seen a lot of guns hear lately that have not been up to from big name gun manufacturers, I bought the new sig 22 and I had nutting but trouble with it , sent it back and the said they fixed it but still doing the same shit , it is jams up if u talk about going to shoot it, I don’t no what I’m going to do with it cause I can’t sale nobody a shit gun,
Change the ammo dude. Not all guns even the same brand and model shoot all ammo well. Just how it goes. I will assure you I can put 5 in that second circle without the rest in almost any pistol you have. You just need to know what ammo the weapon shoots well and where POI is vs POA. You need to under the term accuracy sir.
The idea that a 25yd zero vs. a 15yd zero vs a 35 or 40yd zero would make a hill-o-beans difference with 10mm at these ranges is kind of laughable. If you're running 1200 fps ammo from a 4.5 barrel, you're not throwing a rainbow arc under 30+ yards. Maybe start talking about rainbow arc when you're shooting at 75 to 100 yards from this caliber.
Something is serious screwed up with that barrel.
Trade that 4.5" in on a Sig 320 X10. 👍
Trade it off!!!!
I am flabbergasted that they shipped that pistol with it being that far off-they should have seen it on the factory target.
Just call Springfield and let them know.
As much as I think we would all love to know whats wrong with it, send it back amd get your glock or new Sig. You already had the other one repaired and it is great now, but shouldn't have to keep doing that. They should see they are already losing an s-ton of customers.
Video coming soon😉 im not patient enough fir springfield to fix this one...👍👊🦃
send it back
Trade it in for a p320 x10 yea!!!!
That would be nice!🦃👊👍
Barrel change
I bet you are right. But i bet they wouldnt do it🦃👊👍
Tell it byby
I did😉🤫
Video soon🦃👊👍
Call Springfield.
That’s a big disappointment. XDm’s are usually fairly accurate pistols. I knew Springfield would come out with the XDm Elite in 10mm but didn’t think they would take this long. I had high hopes for it but that definitely does not meet expectations in my opinion. Have to see if this is unique to yours or not. Good info either way. Thanks for moving quick on this. May have to seek another option as a Glock simply is not for me.
Im bummed about it. But oh well. Onward and forward. Video coming soon! Its been handled🤔🦃👊👍